The text of the Koran is undeniable. How can you be Muslim and still support our Constitution?

by Infidelesto on December 28, 2006 · View Comments

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In Islam, all non-Muslims are called unbelievers or infidels. The treatment of the infidels in Islam is divided into two categories. The polytheists, pagans, idolaters and heathens have the choice of converting to Islam or suffer death. The Jews and Christians, whom the Koran calls people of the book, can retain their religion but on the sufferance of accepting humiliation and subjugation to Islam and payment of Jizyah (poll-tax) to the Islamic rulers [For more detail read this article: Unfettered Religious Freedom in Islam – A Fact or Fiction? - by Alamgir Hussain].

Now, let us have a closer look at what the Koran says about the infidels:-

  • Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
  • Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
  • When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
  • Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
  • Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
  • The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
  • Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
  • The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
  • Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
    (22:19)
  • Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
  • The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
  • Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
  • Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
  • Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)

The Qur’an certainly proclaims that when the time is appropriate, Muslims must use force to convert the unbelievers to Islam. For the non-Muslims, the alternative to this is to pay the humiliating protection money (Jizya tax) or be killed (by beheading, of course). A militarily dominant Islam, without doubt, precludes the peaceful co-existence with the unbelievers if the Muslims have to abide strictly by the unalterable stipulations of the Qur’an.

This is why we see very few “moderate” muslims coming out and speaking against the violence. There is so much overwhelming evidence stacked against them not able to be “moderate” because of the fundamental belief’s of Islam.

Referenced from Islam-Watch

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  • http://thomistic.blogspot.com D. Ox

    The fact is that any Muslim who is a true believer cannot take an oath to support and defend our constitution and laws–not in the military, not in the CIA, FBI, or Police, and not in political office.

    Think about that!

    Good post!

  • Carrington

    What a good post! Most “religions” have a common pursuit of love and peace and it blows me away to see one that encourages such hate and violence. How can anyone deny this with so much evidence?

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    First of if you want to see a religion of pure hatred thats Judaism. Im not saying Islam is the religion of peace, but Islam is a heck a lot more peaceful (both in theology and practice) than the Jewish cult. Its like Jesus was more peaceful than Mohammed, and Mohammed was more peaceful than Moses.

    Secondly you can be of a religious persuation and not categorically believe in it. For example, myself a Catholic (lite) can believe that the US Constitution trumps papal decrees from the Vatican. So too can a Moslem choose to adhere to American Laws even if they conflict with like a religious fatwa.

    Make the World a Better Place. Nuke Israel.

  • Abbadon Satanson

    Nuke Israel. Don’t you think that somewhat excessive? Perhaps trade sanctions might be more appropriate than mass murder. Just a thought…..

  • Spooky

    It seems pretty undeniable that Islam is evil. How to fix it? The only way to cleanse our society of this evil is to treat the bastards like they want to treat us. Why mess around? Let’s go for it. No Mosques in western countries and if believers in Islam want to visit one they can take a one way trip to an Islamic country. We don’t need them. They have nothing to offer.

  • http://infidelsarecool.com/2007/08/16/allah-god-of-war/ Infidels Are Cool » Blog Archive » Allah: God of War

    [...] the Koranic verses of killing infidels and converting by the sword. If you don’t agree, then read this post. Instead, resorting to name calling and rage-filled comments seem much [...]

  • Bigmo

    9.7. How can there be a league, before God and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God doth love the righteous.

    9.8. How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.

    Also

    9.13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is God Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!

    Also:

    To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; (5.48)

  • coldjoint

    do any lawmakers read these articles. we need to stop islam pure and simple. save this country then go back to your bickering across party lines .wake up.

  • why you care

    this goes to spooky
    dude u one heck of a dude that will dwell in hell hehehehehe
    funny huh well guess what. we “muslims” will and go every where we please so if u don’t like it u leave… cuz we’re here to rule.

  • Kal

    why you care,

    That is pretty weak as far as rebuttals go.  As for hell, if anyone is going there it is muslims who rape women for not wearing an abbayat with a niqab/hijab, muslims who have sex with children (JUST LIKE MUHAMMAD DID WITH AIYESHA) and/or farm animals, muslims who behead Jews, Christians, Buddhists, etc.., while shouting allahu ackbar as other muslims film it for posterity. As for muslims going where they please, and being here  to rule, we have seen the result of muslim rule, in Saudi, Iran, and Yemen. All shithole countries. All backwards and stuck in the 7th century, worshipping pedophile muhammad.

  • nathan234

    im muslim, I hate killing i have plenty of christian and catholic friends baptist, and mormon (etc.) islamis a very beautiful religion. so r others like morman they dont drink. jewish they dont eat filthy animals like pig, christians you worship god. we were all sent downhere for a reason ….. thank you.

  • Bronwyn

    You hate killing. Good. Islam loves killing. You saw the proof from the Koran at the beginning of this post. You read the Koran's exhortations to behead and kill the unbeliever. Islam requires you to do what you say you hate. Posts which follow this correctly point out that the Koran allows the rape of children and the murder of women among other atrocities. It requires all Muslims to behave like the pigs you say are unclean. Islam is a curse not a beautiful religion. What are you going to do about it? Why are you engaged in this farce of trying to make what is hideous look beautiful? Tell the truth. And have the personal courage and self respect to admit the truth when you see it in front of your face.

  • JEWHAWK

    A MUSLIM picking a JEWISH NICKNAME? How ODD…

    “islamis a very beautiful religion”

    Really?
    I beg to disagree,Sir.
    Islam is as beautiful as a PUS- FILLED SORE.

    “filthy animals like pig”

    They are not filthy.
    Muslims are.

    “christians you worship god”

    They do.
    You worship SATAN,but call it “Allah”.

    “we were all sent downhere for a reason ….. “

    Whereas everyone else were sent “downhere”, muslims were spawned
    in HELL and sent “uphere”.WHY?
    To make OUR lives a living HELL.That's why you do exist.A hellish attempt
    to transform our societies into an ISLAMIC,SHARIA LAW-OBEYING world.

    Thank you for beheading my fellow Jew,Daniel Pearl.
    I won't forget it.
    I won't forgive it.

    Have a wonderful day!!!

  • islam786

    War is only allowed as a measure of security, and is restricted to fighting in self-defense. All aggressors have been strongly condemned. As long as disputes can be settled through conciliatory means and rights and claims can be peacefully attained and imposed, we are required to refrain from fighting. Only, when there is no other option, must we then fight with full vitality and induce the enemy to see his relief in peaceful and equitable co-existence with the believers. The rules of war are explained in the following verses:

    [QURAN SURAH 2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.

    [QURAN SURAH 2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.

    [QURAN SURAH 2:192] If they refrain, then GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

    [QURAN SURAH 2:193] You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.

    We are instructed that all fighting is regulated by the basic rule in 60:8-9. Fighting is allowed strictly in self-defense, while aggression and oppression are strongly condemned throughout the Quran.

    [QURAN SURAH 2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

    PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING VERSE – KIND OF SUMS UP MOST OF THE STUFF GOING ON IN THESE FORUMS !!!!

    [QURAN SURAH 3:7] He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses—which constitute the essence of the scripture—as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, “We believe in this—all of it comes from our Lord.” Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.

  • islam786

    [QURAN SURAH 3:7] He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses—which constitute the essence of the scripture—as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, “We believe in this—all of it comes from our Lord.” Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.

  • hellosnackbar

    Hell's teeth Islam 786 you're back again with more specious bilge from the book of nonsense
    (aka The Koranus).
    You've been told before that an argument from authority (the Koranus)is fallacious unless
    that authority is recognised as such.
    Islam is a pathology like Malaria; with you as the disease carrying vector(Anopheles mosquito)carrying the pathogen(Plasmodium falciperum).
    It's a debilitating disease from which you are clearly infected.
    It's signs are an inability to think;and it's symptoms are chronic verbal diarrhoea which issues constantly from your diseased mind.(from both ends of your alimentary tract via your keyboard).
    Can't you get it into your head that quotes like “Only those who possess intelligence will take heed”are the pathognomic cant of the delusional.
    Madder than a madman who's overdosed on mad pills!
    That's you sunshine;your mind's a mess!

  • jeffrey1001

    You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

    Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

    Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

    Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

    Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

    Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

    Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

    Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

    I wonder where I got those quotes from.

    Anyways, you took quotes out of context. (Just how I did, See how easily it can be done?)

    Let's say you said “Hitler was good for Germany's economy, but that doesn't excuse the horrible crimes he committed'.

    Then I can go around saying 'So-and-so said 'Hitler was good.' …'

    See how I left the rest out? and just left pieces of it?

    See how easily taking things out of context can be?

    Try to refrain from doing that, but who am I to tell you what not to do? Your hate for Muslims over-powers any logic, any common sense you have in your little hateful minds.

  • Bronwyn

    Aren't you the man who refuses to admit that sex with a 6 year old is a hideous crime? You are viciously wicked, but you knew that. No wonder you produce your writings to justify your deeds. You really need a savior. I know what it is to be GUITY, to twist and turn to blame everyone but yourself for the evil that you have done. Face it . You personally deserve the hell you threaten others with. You haven't a clue to what goodness is much less how to achieve it. I know how you feel. I have been where you stand. I tell you frankly that Jesus is your only way out. Jesus Christ loves his creation. For love of you God wrapped Himself in flesh and came to earth to save that which is lost. You are lost.

    You don't need to stay lost. The Savior who was crucified for me was crucified for you and for all people, for everyone who needs a savior. Jesus rose from the dead and returned to Heaven. His death and resurrection are the evidence that God forgives sins and that he loves human beings. Read the New Testament and confront Jesus Christ. I personally advise you to start with the gospel of John, then read the other gospels, the rest of the New Testament. When Christians have preferred death to renouncing the resurrection of Jesus Christ and his power to change a human heart, haven't you ever wondered why they prefer to die? If you read the gospel of John, start with John 3:16, then go back to the beginning and read. See what you think. I have reproduced John 3:16 for you here below.
    For God so loved the world that he gave his only
    begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
    nor perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)

  • darkmatter1

    Im not a muslim nor a part of any religion. I like science and facts. I believe this argument has no resolution. Please enrich your life with information, because this will get you closer to your greatest desire. Absolute cognition is left for the one they call “God” and the only way we could achieve this goal is if we all merged as one, mind body and sole. If you can understand my dimension of thought, than you understand where I found God, for myself.

    This is a list of importanat information for this blog. that i found, about the Bible.
    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/l

  • darkmatter1

    Im not a muslim nor a part of any religion. I like science and facts. I believe this argument has no resolution. Please enrich your life with information, because this will get you closer to your greatest desire. Absolute cognition is left for the one they call “God” and the only way we could achieve this goal is if we all merged as one, mind body and sole. If you can understand my dimension of thought, than you understand where I found God, for myself.

    This is a list of importanat information for this blog. that i found, about the Bible.
    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/l

  • Anders

    Who had sex with a 6 year old? The prophet (pbuh) did not have intercourse with his young wife until she became an adult.

  • abraham

    Everything you wrote was correct! If you swapped “islam” or “muslim” with judaism.
    And yes, pigs are filthy.

  • Beejj

    Nope, pigs are not filthy. A filthy pig is evidence of a filthy owner. But can anything compare with Islam for utter hopelessness of the human condition? To embrace Islam is to betray all that is noble and inspirational about the human being. Islam says, “Close your eyes and mind. Do not think. Memorise and believe. Question nothing. Be intolerant of those not similarly enslaved. Nothing of merit is to be found outside the pages of the Koran, for it alone is Truth. Do not follow the false Gods of Reason, and shun the beguiling and persuasive messages of those who would turn you away from Islam's loving arms. Human learning reached its zenith when our blessed prophet, pbuh, spoke his mighty words. His every utterance was the distillation of wisdom. Ask not why Allah waited so long for His Truth to be revealed, but bless the day the Unblemished One, pbuh, was granted Enlightenment. For did not the prophet, pbuh, tell us that he was the last and greatest of the prophets and that all who came before him were imperfections? Ask not why Allah did not simultaneously reveal himself to the multitudes of China and India so that the spread of Truth might be hastened. Question nothing! Obey! Submit! Ask not why Allah did not tell the prophet, pbuh, the workings of the stars or the nature of light and matter: be content with that which was revealed. Desist from doubting the prophet's word on the basis that he had no-one to corroborate his tellings of The Visitations. Your loving parents didst reveal to you the Great Truths. Their station in life might have been lowly, but they had received The Word from their parents, so no argument can be brooked. Be not enticed by the persuasiveness of science: your parents stand above science. Look upon all other religions with pity and loathing, for their beliefs and practices are beneath contempt. You hold the mortgage on Truth, for the prophet, pbuh, deemed it so.”

  • Beejj

    Nine years old is an adult?????? You people are terminally sick.

  • baba

    Having read how many millions of hindus the muslim invaders killed in India between 700 AD to 1800 AD, Koran definitely preaches murder of infidels… Millions of hindus have been killed in India because the muslim invaders could not just tolerate idol worship. Its the most intolerant religion ever…..Koran is a sick book and these sick fucks claim islam is peace…. its a blot on human history and needs to be eradicated

  • baba

    If any muslim claims 'islam is peace' I will slap his face and spit on them….. Just look back at history before talking…
    Sick fucks…

  • Beejj

    Ah, Baba, you are a man after my own heart, but we must not be too swift to jump to conclusions! Just read the words of our latest resident idiot “theghostoftomjones” to learn that only a minuscule minority of Muslims are naughty boys and girls and so it is wrong to say anything of a derogatory nature about the religion of peace. Such people think that such “logic” is the trump card to be played in the defence of their vile faith, so they produce it whenever another (daily) Muslim act of bestiality is visited upon the civilised world. How many jihad attacks have there been since 9/11? In excess of 15,000, I believe. How many honour murders, forced marriages, wife beatings, polygamous marriages have there been in that time? No-one will ever know, and, of course, if we don't know then they cannot have happened, can they? That's Islamic logic for you. I hope I am not guilty of excessive flowery language that some find difficult to unravel, but Muslims are not so much the enemy as Islam itself. Yes, that seems to be paradoxical, but it isn't. There might be moderate Muslims, but they follow a religion that can never be moderate. As Geert Wilders put it: there is no moderate Islam; there is only Islam. Christianity has blood on its hands, but it has attempted to wash them clean as it developed into something more understanding and forgiving. Imagine a Christian organisation vowing to murder people at a large sports gathering for the purposes of ……… what? ……. advancing Christianity? …….. for the joy of it? ……. as a punishment? Ah, but not ALL Muslims would dream of doing such a thing. So what? There is something in Islam that encourages this behaviour. I cannot say the same thing about any other modern religion, can you? It would be fascinating to glimpse the future a thousand years from now. Doubtless, Christianity would have continued its evolution, but Islam will still be locked into the 7th Century, backward and hopeless, with its countries still begging for money from Christian countries in order to maintain their populations. Or will the civilised world have woken up to the disease that threatens it and have taken steps to bring the Bronze Age madmen to their senses?

  • Jerry D. Adkins

    Only the meek and the simple will survive judgment while the ones who are wise in their own eyes will trip over the simplicity of the truth of the Lord Jesus because of the deception of that great liar in making them believe they are truly knowledgeable when their knowledge is but dung in the site of the father . How foolish to believe that an all loving God (obviously Islam does not believe in an all loving God ) would condemn the mentally impaired or the disadvantage in the way of education for lacking the ability to afford that education saying that redemption is a thing that you must purchase with a piece of silver! I suppose you have been able to afford your 30 pieces. I believe Judas must have established Islam because he too sought the earthly things , the earthly riches that have no value in the reality of the light of God.
    Jerry D. Adkins
    I look forward indeed to your reply and I would only ask that you not hide behind a mask but that you should stand up like a man for what you believe unless you also believe in fact that Mohamed and Islam are a blight and a scourge upon the land that the Lord has created.

  • Jerry D. Adkins

    Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
    Totally incorrect quote Mark 6:11 “And if any place will not receive you and they refuse to hear you, when you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet for a testimony against them.”
    Also you're quoting the old testament (what the law demands for righteousness sake) when Jesus made it clear that he had come to fulfill the law thus God having taken upon himself all of the sins of the world and declaring us completely innocent in his site if we will but accept the sacrifice his son has made on behalf of all humankind , every man and womam even if they be Muslims. So I don't know about Islam but I have accepted his sacrifice and I can now say that I am innocent being washed clean in his shed blood . Hallelujah to the one God!!!
    So you do more then take a thing out of context , yes you totally distort it in a vain attempt to deceive people from the truth of the Lord Jesus so that they should take the fall with you in your damnation should you continue in your insidious ways ! So I say one more time come out from behind your mask and stand up for what you believe if indeed you think it is worthwhile. Surely you do not fear being recognized for will not Allah protect you ? Jerry D. Adkins ——— No mask here buddy !

  • Jerry D. Adkins

    I'm afraid my friend that you have also fallen prey to the same lies that Islam is propagating in as much as you believe that we must depend on our own wisdom and intellect to understand the truth of God , what a fallacy! How can we as mere mortals possibly understand the ways of a righteous God? But that is left up for you to decide whether you will choose to follow an incomprehensible God by faith and in which time he will indeed reveal himself to you by way of the Holy Spirit or continue on in your own wisdom and understanding just as Islam teaches. He has left it all up to you for he does not desire more angles ( or robots) but free willed men and women who will recognize his love and mercies for them and choose for themselves whom they wish to serve. Be not mistaken he has left it entirely up to you but I would admonish you to heed the words of unlikely enough Bob Dylan, “You've got to serve somebody, It may be the devil or it may be the Lord but you gonna have to serve somebody”
    I pray he will guide you in your quest for truth even if you do believe you've already found it !
    Jerry D. Adkins

  • Jerry D. Adkins

    Only the meek and the simple will survive judgment while the ones who are wise in their own eyes will trip over the simplicity of the truth of the Lord Jesus because of the deception of that great liar in making them believe they are truly knowledgeable when their knowledge is but dung in the site of the father . How foolish to believe that an all loving God (obviously Islam does not believe in an all loving God ) would condemn the mentally impaired or the disadvantage in the way of education for lacking the ability to afford that education saying that redemption is a thing that you must purchase with a piece of silver! I suppose you have been able to afford your 30 pieces. I believe Judas must have established Islam because he too sought the earthly things , the earthly riches that have no value in the reality of the light of God.
    Jerry D. Adkins
    I look forward indeed to your reply and I would only ask that you not hide behind a mask but that you should stand up like a man for what you believe unless you also believe in fact that Mohamed and Islam are a blight and a scourge upon the land that the Lord has created.
    No mask here buddy !

  • JEWHAWK

    ” I believe Judas must have established Islam “

    Really?

    “So I don't know about Islam”

    I do believe in that remark.

    A little piece of advice for you, Mr.Adkins:

    If yourself aknowledged that you don't know about Islam, please, READ this blog's
    archives in order to be in the know. Take your time.

    Repeating the New Testament in here will not impress muslims.
    Maybe you could do that in Kandahar, Kabul or Tora Bora, in Afghanistan
    or even in Islamabad on a missionary mission.

    I wanna see you sharing your wisdom with them…tell'em about your Lord Jesus…providing you could keep
    your head attached to the rest of your body, of course.

    Bon voyage !!

  • Jerry D. Adkins

    The only possible thing that Islam and I agree on is that we are both monotheistic , you call him Allah , I call him
    ” I Am ” more popularly known as “The Living Word” or for those who are even more in the dark “Jesus the Christ ” , “The solid rock” and on the solid rock I stand and have been long enough to recognize the great liar when I am face to face with him and Islam and their alleged Prophet Mohammed are sons of the afore mentioned great liar , arthur of the Quran the book of outrageous fiction followed but by the mentally deranged and brutally evil and totally blinded by the belief in themselves and their own intellect , now I know there's an oxymoron in there somewhere, as a matter of fact Islam itself is the oxymoron professing they are followers of whom I know to be a just, loving and merciful God, indeed they come right out and insist that the intellect is the only way to the Father , lie # 1 , and there are many more to follow in their trail of deceit and confusion truly believing that by their own intelligence and wisdom they will obtain, hold on, actually I'm not sure what they expect to obtain save it be more virgins then any one man could possibly handle or any man in his right mind would want to try. God bless the ladies I love them dearly but let's face it one is quite enough! Believing in their own intellect they stumble over the simplicity of the good news of the “Living Word” that was made manifest in the flesh to the sons and daughters of men who were enlightened to the fact that Jesus Christ the only begotten son is indeed the only way to the Father and in so doing they deny the very essence of love and totally mess the whole point of human existence for they haven't a clue as to what this probationary state of existence is all about.
    Now I see these radical Muslims on the streets behind their mask for fear they may be recognized and apparently not being able to depend on Allah for their protection so behind their mask they hold up their signs with such audacity making such asinine statements it's truly hard to comprehend their arrogance and total self righteousness in staying that “Islam will dominate the world” and “Go to hell freedom” and I don't know what that one was all about, I have always assumed that any reasonably sane individual would prize freedom. but I guess sanity is the operative word when dealing with Islam or even trying to halfway figure out what on earth could they be thinking but it is apparent to me that they are not capable of what we deem to be a reasonably intelligent thought process.
    Now I have somewhat more to say but time right now is wearing thin so I'm going to end with what may be a new revelation to some of you in that Islam also teaches that Mohammed was this seal of the prophets and that there should be no more and in making such a statement they absolutely deny that God is the same yesterday, today and forever in that he is through sending us prophets and that's another point that I am in total agreement with the Latter Day Saints for they also believe as I that should miracles and wonders ceased to be among the children of men it will be because of unbellef for I know that his work among the children of men it is not yet finished and he does have somewhat more to say and there are profits still to come and miracles and wonders to be performed among humankind until the rest of his children are complete in their knowledge of “I am” !
    Now I will be back soon as the Lord Jesus directs me and will continue to deliver the words he puts on my heart until his return or my work for him on this earth is completed and of that day I know not.
    So I would admonish the radicals that are hidden behind their mask to be bold enough in your convictions to uncover yourselves and not be afraid to be recognized for who and what you are, indeed I would think you would be proud to openly proclaim the message of Mohammed and Allah at least if there is an ounce of truth within you!
    So here I am waiting to hear someone with the gumption to stand up and be recognized just as I am because you can see that I am not hiding behind a mask for ” I Am ” is my comforter and my protector always!
    Out in the open and speaking,
    Jerry D. Adkins

  • Jerry D. Adkins

    Now do you really think I'm trying to impress A murdering radical ? Oh how simple the foolish are ! Now I dare say you did not even begin to understand the least of what I have said even if you were to be able to read it.
    Jerry D. Adkins

  • Jerry D. Adkins

    Excuse me but I did mean to thank you for your compliments on my wisdom but you must know that is not my wisdom you have heard but only the fathers.You being in such a dark desolate place can explain nothing to me about Islam that the father has not already shown me, even in your words to me you insinuate violence and hatred desiring to do me harm. Where does that come from? From Allah? No “I Am” has never known you. Jerry D. Adkins
    Still not behind a mask for I have a protector

  • Jerry D. Adkins

    I am certainly aware that the new testament could never impress anyone so blinded as to the ways of God.
    Jerry D. Adkins

  • Jerry D. Adkins

    Please read all the way down for I have said more. Talk to you more on another day.
    Jerry D. Adkins

  • Jerry D. Adkins

    The only thing I asked of you jewhawk is that you be man enough to come out into the open and stand up for what you profess to believe if indeed there is any substance to it at all but you continue to hide behind an alias I can see that you do not even have the courage of your convictions so in which case go ahead and tuck you tail between your legs and run on home to Kandahar, Kabul, Tora Bora, in Afghanistan or even in Islamabad of which you toll me I should go to teach of Jesus. So I will only ask you to please pay my passage and I'm on my way! And this is no BS because I have no reason whatsoever to fear you or any others that would blasphemy the name of Jesus!
    Actually I believe I need to ask forgiveness for allowing the likes of you jewhawk or Islam to be able to get me so riled.
    So once again here is my John Hancock ………………… JERRY D. ADKINS

    Of course I'm sure in your ignorance you have no idea who John is which is just more evidence you know nothing of the American Spirit or its history!

  • Jerry D. Adkins

    Just one more word for this morning jewhawk and that being I never supposed to impress Muslims with the truth as I am very well aware that the truth is totally beyond your comprehension .
    JERRY D. ADKINS

  • SirWilhelm

    You sound like a Deist, are you?

  • SirWilhelm

    “How can we as mere mortals possibly understand the ways of a righteous God?” Good question. It leads me to wonder why a “righteous” God would create mortals that can't understand him? But if you go beyond the Bible, a book that is a condensed and edited version of earlier texts by a Jehovah with an agenda, you'll find that mankind was created with intelligence that was deliberately limited by it's creators'. Ancient texts clearly state who created us, and how and why, but they are dismissed as myths, while the Bible, which is based on them, is accepted by many as “gospel”. And the Quran, an even more recent text created under even more dubious circumstances, is also accepted as a “gospel”. I'll let you explain the logic in that. As smart as we think we are as a race, I'm aware of my own limitations, but do the best I can with what I have.

    Our Constitution created a government that was designed to serve the people, it has been and is being transformed into something else now, but in it's beginnings, it showed serving “gods” and leaders wasn't the only way we had to live. That we could serve “God” as we each saw him, and live free at the same time. “The truth will set you free” is what I'm looking for, not a “truth” that enslaves.

  • JEWHAWK

    And the truth is Jesus…am I correct ?

    You're right. You're not an impressive fella
    by any standard…even your pets aren't
    impressed by you.

    Ask your kids if they deem you an impressive dude.

    The truth is that calling you an idiot would be a compliment.

  • JEWHAWK

    “So I will only ask you to please pay my passage and I'm on my way! And this is no BS because I have no reason whatsoever to fear you or any others that would blasphemy the name of Jesus! “

    I can't “blasphemy” Jesus, as I have 200% more in common with him than you do.
    Jesus wasn't a Christian, but another KIKE..exactly like me !!

    FEAR:

    You've got no reason whatsoever to fear me. I'm a pro-America Jew,
    unlike those you see on TV. No need to be riled.
    I'm just one of those neighbors that you'll ALWAYS could count.
    I confess that I've never heard about John Hancock…since I'm not
    an American citizen, many aspects of American History escapes
    my knowledge.

    AMERICAN SPIRIT:

    There's a fella called Benedict Arnold that really have a lot in common with you. That's your “American Spirit”…a sellout, defeatist…a downright traitor.

  • Beejj

    What god? Which one of all those gods we invented are you referring to? What do you mean by “the truth of god”? What's a “holy spirit”? Lagavulin? Bushmills? And what's an “incomprehensible god by faith”? You blather. Perhaps you paid too much heed to another Dylanism: “Everybody must get stoned.”

    Don't waste your prayers on me, dear boy, for when you pray you are doing nothing more than talking to yourself and wishing for everything to be as you would like. Time to grow up. Get on with it.

  • jono

    why are there no intelligent comments posted here? i came to this site wondering if the koran really does preach so much violence. looks as though it does which i think sucks. could someone who is not so anti-everything in such a pretenteous manner(as the comments i've read below) please explain how some interpret the koran, or alla's word as being somehow peacefull? also, is this a christian site coz it sure smells like it?

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    no it's not a christian site. If you're truly interested in the truth and
    not disguising yourself as a , read more around the site. It's pretty
    clear. Also, I wouldn't let the comments deter you from the realities
    presented in the blog posts. Comments shouldn't cast a shadow over the
    realities of the issues we're discussing.

  • Provision

    ^Exactly. This has nothing to with Religion. Islam is not a religion; it's an age old ideology, political instrument, and cult-like device that seeks to conserve it's medieval heritage by enslavement and backwards thinking.

    Living in Canada, we're in the same position as the US. If these people are so “peaceful”, why are all of their inhabited countries war-torn, dark age disaster-pieces? The idea itself is the reason. The reason is Islam.

    After returning from a tour of duty in Afghanistan, and studying political science and sociology at my local university, it becomes clearer everyday that this is not a “religion of peace”. Witnessing first hand how these “people” handle laws, governance, and general ruling is shocking in its own way. Every other religion has been re-written for modern era use (with exception to the Tao Te Ching/taoism) and except for the Koran.

    If these people truly love their “islam” and want it to become the majority religion, then keep it where it belongs; The middle east. Our ancestors likely didn't settle this land with the intention of a religious takeover less than 300 years later.

    Flip over American/Canadian currency – IN GOD WE TRUST. Even if you aren't religious, thats a hell of a lot better than “IN SHARIAH THEY DIE” or some other ridiculous statement. Get the fuck out of our continent and take your book of hate with you,

  • YOUSHOODRAT

    IS THAT ALL YOU PEOPLE CAN SAY? SERIOUSLY WHO DIDNT MARRY YOUNG IN THOSE DAYS DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG AGO THAT WAS? WHAT MUSLIM DO YOU KNOW OF IS DOING THAT IN TODAYS DAY IN AGE? BUT WE HAVE THE CATHOLIC RELIGION RAPING LITTLE BOYS BUT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT THAT.. PEOPLE WANNA BE STUCK ON THE PROPHET MUHAMMD MARRYING A 6 YEAR OLD GIRL WHICH WAS THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.. PHULEASE!!

  • YOUSAHOODRAT

    OK HOW LONG AGO WAS THIS? DIDNT THIS HAPPEN THOUSANDS OF YEAR AGO?? I AM SURE THE MUSLIM FAITH WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE TO MARRY OFF A GIRL THAT YOUNG.. COME ON PEOPLE GET OFF THAT FORREAL!! BUT WHY ARE THE CATHOLIC RELIGION IN THE 21ST CENTURY RAPING LITTLE BOYS? NOBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT THOUGH.. PHULEASE!! GET A LIFE

  • diablo1231

    For ppl attacking Islam , Islam isnt something that man invented , its god`s work , so if u have a problem with that then its ur problem with God , and yea we should god let those disbelievers live in his own land and eat food he created , And u guys are weird , u take some words from quran and deny the rest , The quran said that we belive in jesus and moses and Islam is just a Re-make of exact same religions …

  • Hellosnackbar

    Which God are you talking about?
    There's hundreds to choose fromZeus, Baal,Wotan,Dagon,Jupiter,Apollo,Pan etc. etc.
    Allah is just as fictional as the rest;I'll take this as gospel until I suddenly find myself after death appearing before some celestial tribunal to answer for my perceived sins.
    If that should happen?? I'll kick the almighty in the bollocks for his tyranny.

  • Kal_El

    Prove islam was not invented by a man. I dare you.

  • SirWilhelm

    If it's just a “Re-make of exact same religions …” why is Islam at war with those religions? Why do they want to destroy the Jewish nation of Israel?

  • Kyle

    You might want to take a closer look at the book of Revelation and pay special attention to the plagues that God (keep in mind this is the being who is holding your atoms together right now) unleashes on humanity in judgment of sin. The God of the old testament is the same as the one that you believe in as a catholic (i.e. the God of the new testament). You have no authority to stand in judgment over God for dealing with sin by using the Jews to massacre the sinners. God was right in doing so. It is only by grace that we are not killed at this very moment simply for being sinners. God chose to use the Jews to show himself to the world until the arrival of Jesus. And the good news is that there’s hope through Christ. I understand that you might think that God is different now, that he doesn’t deal with sin the same way anymore. All I’m saying is that God must deal with sin. And he will, either by forgiving it by grace through faith in his son, or by slaughtering the sinners and throwing them in hell. If you denounce the violent behavior of the Jews (most of it anyway) in the old testament, then you denounce the behavior of God himself.

  • Kyle

    Is that all you’ve got? You make excuses for a heinous act by pointing a finger of blame at others? And how exactly does the fact that the marriage took place thousands of years ago make it okay? Isn’t a vile act vile no matter when it was committed?

  • Kyle

    I don’t think slinging insults is the best way to represent Christ Mr Adkins. Please do not be so adversarial.

  • Beejj

    Has it ever occurred to you that it was odd of god to wait all those thousands of years while Chinese and Indian civilisations flourished before revealing himself to a herd of wandering, illiterate, useless, starving, no-hopers in a desert? Stand in judgement over god? I’ll willingly do do. He can go fuck himself. Christ? The idiot who told us to love our enemy? He can go fuck himself, too. Sin? What is sin? Crime I understand, but sin????? Hell? I have already written at length about that juvenile nonsense. I denounce god, alright. I piss in his eye.

  • Sirwilhelm

    Oh yeah, Bob Dylan, I like his music, but t turns out he’s a plagerist, and little of his work is his own. And no, I don’t have to serve the “deviL” or the “Lord” you’re referring to because I believe those entities are flesh and blood beings that existed in ancient times. As a Deist, I believe in a Spiritual Being that Created the Universe and all that’s in it, including the entities that called themselves “gods” in ancient times, and taught us civilization. Read the ancient texts that were written before the Bible, and that are condensed and edited in the Bible. Truth, as is beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I hope you find the truth someday too. Oh, and yes, Islam is propagating lies, because their diety is a rival of Jehovah’s, flesh and blood beings that taught us how to kill and make war in their names, and we’re still doing it today.

  • Sirwilhelm

    You might want to open your Bible and take a look at the encounter between Abraham and Jehovah before Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. Abraham spoke to Jehovah face to face, he NEGOTIATED with him over the fate of those cities. He got Jehovah to agree to delay their destruction so that Lot and his family could excape. If Jehovah was omiscient, shouldn’t he have known how many non-sinners there were in those cities? If he didn’t know how many sinners were in those cities before he destroyed them, and destroyed them anyway, after Lot’s family escaped, is that a godlike action? The Biblical account also raises some technical questions about what destroyed those cities. And what was the sin of those cities? Could it be they were just on the wrong side? Jehovah was a jealous God, who were the other “gods” he was jealous of? If Jehovah was a flesh and blood being using advanced technology to pass himself of as a god, then we can denounce his behavior. And Allah asks his followers to wage war on the followers of Jehovah and his Son. Is this just the continuation of their jealous feud?

  • TheGreat Aardvark

    Religions are devisive, they all have their own agendas. That’s whty we need to elect atheists.

  • Jmsbuchanan1

    in 628C.E.muhammad gave a charter of privleges to the christian church in sinai.a covenant with those who adopted or were christian.they were not forced to readopt islam.muslims were ordered to defend them.to fight for them.theirt homes business’ and churches were to be left alone.they could not be forced to move or to fight.a female christian married to a muslim could attend a christian church.NO MUSLIM IS TO DISOBEY THE COVENANT TILL THE LAST DAY.is this the last day?why do you preach such a hateful doctrine when you know full well doing so violates the direct command of the prophet?may allah have mercy on those who pervert or ignore his direct edict by committing murder in his name!!!

  • Rogerlozano

    Jesus, the Christian prophet didn’t do that. But Muhammad….

  • Arlo

    My apologies to Jeff Foxworthy.

    You might be Taliban if…

    1. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to liquor.
    2. You own a $3,000 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can’t afford shoes….
    3. You have more wives than teeth.
    4. You wipe your butt with your bare hand, but consider bacon “unclean.”
    5. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.
    6. You can’t think of anyone you haven’t declared Jihad against.
    7. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your clothing.
    8. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.
    9. You have nothing against women and think every man should own at least four.
    10. Your feet are clean, but you haven’t bathed in weeks.

  • Kal El

    AWESOME! =)

  • Anonymous

    I am very confused. Does the Koran say to kill infidels? If it does say this, are Christians and Jews infidels? If Christians and Jews do not pay Jakat to the Muslim Authority what is to be the punishment? Now, that the questions are answered what is the opinion of the 93% moderate Muslims in regard to these answers–how do they interpret these passages from the Koran? My son says we have many of these same drastic violent directives in our Old Testament, but we as Christians have a New Testament that supersedes the Old. Is that a legitimate argument which allows a unhipocritical condemnation of Islam for being so violent?
    The controversy in N.Y. over Mosque. I agree with both sides of the argument. How does one come to a good solution?

  • SirWilhelm

    Try seeing Islam as the militaristic politcal organization disguised as a religion that it really is. Look again at these quotes. Despite the religious aspects of the language, are these the actions of a religion? Or a conquering body that seeks to assimilate all it can, and destroy all it can’t? And what does protection money, or a tax, on non-Muslims have to do with religion? Then there’s all the rules and laws that regulate just about every facet of daily living under Islam, because slaves must be told how to live every minute of their lives. And every Muslim must vow to be a slave to Allah. Do you believe religion is about slavery? Do you believe a diety that is concerned about your soul really requires slaves? Do you believe a diety that gave you free will would take it away that way? As for the mosque, do both sides of the argument include the idea that the mosque is a symbol of Islam’s victory on 9/11? The mosque on the Temple Mount, the Basilica Mosque in Istanbul, and the Cordoba Mosque in Cordoba Spain, are the most famous examples of that practice, but there are many more. The NY mosque was called the Cordoba Project originally, by the way. I hope this lessens your confusion, if not, keep researching, there’s a lot more evidence out there.

  • Jackercrackbox

    Islam is not a religion, it’s a terrorist organization set up like a religion. Even in the Old Testament God destroyed thousands of his own creation, which was man, but in the new testament a least they got rid of the kill your kids when they disobey Scripture among many other disturbing passages. You see people define Islam as a religion so it is covered under the 1 amendment and they can by law build a Mosque anywhere they own real estate. The truth is that the Koran specifically states that any Muslim should lie and deceive the infidels wherever they may be to bring them to Islam or kill them. It’s plain as day in the Koran in black and white. Why can’t someone on news show just open the fucking book up and say look you dumb ass sheep!!!!! It says right hear that Islam’s main purpose is to kill any unbelievers or convert them to Islam. How hard it that??? I’m an agnostic so I’m on the hit list for infidels too. Someone should open the shit crap book called the Koran and read the nut bag babbling of that book of lies and bring some justice to the American people. And blow the lid off this false Religion. Even scientology and Indians believing in wolf gods is better then a Terrorist organization called Islam pretending to be a good religion. It’s sad to see such tolerant American people sitting back and watching our once great country get taken over by some savage organization in the name of Allah. What a crock of crap.

  • Jackercrackbox

    Islam is not a religion, it’s a terrorist organization set up like a religion. Even in the Old Testament God destroyed thousands of his own creation, which was man, but in the new testament a least they got rid of the kill your kids when they disobey Scripture among many other disturbing passages. You see people define Islam as a religion so it is covered under the 1 amendment and they can by law build a Mosque anywhere they own real estate. The truth is that the Koran specifically states that any Muslim should lie and deceive the infidels wherever they may be to bring them to Islam or kill them. It’s plain as day in the Koran in black and white. Why can’t someone on news show just open the fucking book up and say look you dumb ass sheep!!!!! It says right hear that Islam’s main purpose is to kill any unbelievers or convert them to Islam. How hard it that??? I’m an agnostic so I’m on the hit list for infidels too. Someone should open the shit crap book called the Koran and read the nut bag babbling of that book of lies and bring some justice to the American people. And blow the lid off this false Religion. Even scientology and Indians believing in wolf gods is better then a Terrorist organization called Islam pretending to be a good religion. It’s sad to see such tolerant American people sitting back and watching our once great country get taken over by some savage organization in the name of Allah. What a crock of crap.

  • Beejj

    Hello, Bronwyn. I scanned lots of messages to find you, and came up with this one you wrote a million years ago. IAC is not the same without you, but it seems you have other fish to fry these days. Just know that you are missed. Keep safe; be happy.

  • annoyed with it all

    as a “Catholic”…your bible doesnt say to kill you if you dont follow it…duh…its literally black and white. why cant you leftists see that?!?!?!?!?! i am so sick of religion…ALL of them are cult like but i dont have to worry about a Jehovah’s Witness or Jew or Catholic killing me becuz they’re stupid religion advises them that is what their God wants them to do

  • Kal El

    Yes. Yes. Death. You’d have to ask them. Yes. Pick a side (right vs wrong) and stick with it.

  • Bmeinc

    Some one should nuke you – the world would be a better place.

  • Joe

    sorry to disappoint you but Gods chosen people are the Jews! so u call urself a lite catholic then you need to understand that Isreal is Gods little apple ! Dont mess with them! How many times has tried to destroy Isreal and they are a small country, that NO ONE has done it! Iran, Iraq, and pakistan, and others, cant do it! So find Jesus and he will give you Truth!

  • Tino

    But the Qur’an also says
    If Allah so willed, he would have made you a single People, but his plan is to test each of you separately, in what He has given to each of you: so strive in all virtues as in you are in a race. The goal of all of you is to Allah. It is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute. (Qur’an 5:48)
    And dispute not with the People of the Book, except with means better than mere disputation, unless I be with those of them who inflict wrong and injury, but say to them: “We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is one; and it is to Him that we bow.” (Qur’an 29:46)

  • Beejj

    Am I correct in assuming you believe that Allah is all-powerful and all-knowing? In that case, why does this know-all have to test people? Surely, he knows their qualities, strengths and weaknesses already? Are we out of his control despite his omnipotence? Why has he constructed us in such a way that it is much easier to be “bad” than it is to be “good”? Presumably, he knows that some of us will ultimately fail to reach his desired standards and are therefore destined to suffer agonisingly in the fire, or whatever, but he fails to use his power to ensure that such cannot happen. Is this because he has a warped sense of humour? Or are we to pretend to be deeply philosophical and say that god’s ways are mysterious and that we must not question them?

  • Ndawg

    Islam is where Judaism and Christianity were hundreds of years back. Many people were killed for heresy or debauchery (in opposition of popular religions mores) in the US, England and Europe in the name of the New Testament through the 17th century. The bible instructs on similar weirdness, including wholesale genocide, killing witches, and severing your wife’s hand for touching another man’s genitals.

    The religion of Islam is a problem for the world because too many of its followers are too fanatical, literal, and selective about their holy text in a way that promotes violence. I don’t know what the solution is to ‘modernize’ the way the Islamic world as a whole thinks about their religion (there are millions who are already there and live harmoniously with the world). I hope it comes soon; honestly I think part of it will be desensitization/acclimation. The world can’t stop printing Mohammad cartoons because they’re afraid of backlash; that’s putting the power in the wrong people’s hands.

  • TS

    I believe god has given me the intelligence to read the Quran scriptures above and see that it is demanding behavior inconsistent, in fact contradictory to, peace and love. Thus US law should recognise that this religion has a purpose to destroy and terrorise and act in the best interest of the US citizens, curtailing it’s practice. If one opens the door to the wolf and he is within your home, do you not think he will eat you?

  • Sanity

    Of course, the bible wouldn’t say anything violent now would it.

    Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
    “Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

    Honestly, you’re all as nuts as each other!

  • Kal_El

    Nice try there, but Deuteronomy is one of the Pentateuch, the first five books of the OLD TESTAMENT. I am no Christian, but I do recall that the New Testament, you know the part where Christ was born, sort of abrogates all the insanity you mention above. And even if it doesn’t how about you pony up some evidence of Christians or Jews behaving in such a manner within the last 50 years? But seriously, a valiant effort at pandering to islam by using Old Testament scripture which has not been used in practice for as long as most of us have been alive.

  • Kal El

    Not if I load my rifle and feed said wolf lead.

  • Realist

    You ar such hypocrites! Read Deuteronomy 13, and tell me again how evil the Koran is:

    “If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods”, then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt.”

  • Sirwilhelm

    And who were the “other gods” that the Old Testament speaks about so often? That Jehovah was so jealous of, that he put it in the Ten Commandments? Is it a coincidence that Allah is as bloodthirsty as Jehovah is? Many religious skeptics love to point out the about face Jehovah executes in the New Testament. Allah, in the Quran, tries to about face humanity to live like they did in the Old Testament, only under his leadership instead of Jehovah’s. If Allah and Jehovah are the same “god”, why do they contradict and oppose each other that way? To the point of having their followers kill each other? What is the nature of these “gods” that expect their followers to kill for them? Does that nature truly deserve our worship?

  • the realist…oh no!

    That was a translation…not proof dumb ass! The truth is, there is no proof to any of your religions… There are only about 50 different interpretaitons of that translation, as well. Haha where do you think the translation of your bible really came from, exactly? News flash the written word and the translated and accepted word are something to be questioned. And how is your hate different than thiers? I agree with nathan…maybe we are all sent here for a reason. And maybe being a good person despite your culture, religous background, or lack there of is the real goal… which in theory should unite us all. Too bad all people suck :) …so bad, so dont pretend to be better than anyone…

  • Sedryn

    I am not a huge fan of organized religion but the point here is the book actively tells its followers to maim, kill, terrorize. Not just stories of God’s wrath. Islam is blight on society.

  • Sedryn

    “Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion”
    Simply put, politicians today deploy this reasoning. “depends on what the meaning of the word IS is..” and so on. It is a cop out that can be used in times just like this. Only if you are a Muslim will you understand the true meaning of the words… blah blah blah blah..

  • Sedryn

    God created science and even time. We are creatures of time. It takes us time to put our pants on or even write a comment on a web page. To understand God is to understand timelessness. Something NO mind can even begin to comprehend. Hows that for science and fact?

  • Sedryn

    Much killing was done in the name of God under the old testament and even the new. Christians killed tens of thousands of Muslims in the middle ages in the name of Christianity. Granted the new testament does NOT tell followers to kill, maim and terrorize like the Koran does.

  • matt

    Good job quote-mining!! Just because you found a handful of ominous (erroneously paraphrased) passages, that doesn’t mean the rest of the book doesn’t seem to contradict them. The Quran was no more violent than the Bible, and UNLIKE in the old testament, Allah never tells his chosen people to mass-rape all the young virgin survivors of a genocide. Crazy Yahweh…did you instruct them to use their tears as lube too?
    (http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm)

    How do these Qur’an passages fit in with your hate-mongering:

    “Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

    “…and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, ‘We are Christians,’ because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant” (5:82).

    “O you who believe! Be helpers of God — as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, ‘Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?’ Said the disciples, ‘We are God’s helpers!’ Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved. But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed” (61:14).

    “And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)”

    “God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)”

    “But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)”

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  • Hand Maiden of ONE TRUE GOD

    First let me say this, God robed himself in flesh and came down in the form of Jesus. sis God NOT Allah. The Word of God is the divine inspiration of God. He used men like his disciples to actually pen it down. For all you people who want to defend the Koran over the Word of God do that but while you are doing that why don’t you move yourself to an Arab/Muslim country and stay out of America which was founded on the Word of God and the GOD himself. As for nuking Israel, go ahead and just let God pour out his plagues on you. People you are stupid. God has a chosen nation and that is ISRAEL!!!!!!! America is not touched by pestilences because they remain loyal to Israel. God’s ways are far above any of our ways and he definitely thinks differently than we do. As for marrying a 9 year old child who should be in what 4th grade????????? Come on people how sick are is this!!!!!!!!Read your Bible, live by it, and GET GOD before rapture because if you are left behind it is your fault. That is when all HADES will break out.

  • Marty Airey

    The “Freedom of Religion” only applies to those who adhere to the ways of tolerance of others. I’ve said it before & I’ll
    say it again & I’m sure I’m not the 1st to say it,” We must not tolerate intolerance or violate one’s Right to Life,Liberty
    or the Pursuit of Happiness. Islam & the teachings in the koran are blatantly opposed to the principles of the U.S.of A.
    Therefore, by their own book this religion cannot be tolerated & must be treated as an enemy of Peace.

  • Gates32

    The United States Constitution was written with the idea that we are each entitled to the pursuit of happiness, provided that pursuit does not infringe on the rights of our fellow men. All of our laws and amendments were written to preserve that sacred trust.

    You are perfectly within your rights to practice Islam here. You are also within your rights to practice satanism here.

    Your right to practice your religion ceases when you infringe upon my life or liberty.

    We are not a religious state. We are a state that recognizes religion.

    Your belief does not give you the right to impose it upon others in the United States.

    Make the US constitution Sharia compliant?

    I will die first. Just as I would if the Pope demanded we made our constitution subservient to Vatican decree.

  • Kal_El

    Funny thing about that, hoodrat, is that islam is STILL DOING THOSE HEINOUS THINGS, and imams and clerics across the ummah are saying it is halal. No one here denies the Catholic church has a serious problem with pedophiles in need of defrocking, nor do I see them pointing the finger at any other religion to justify it. Only islam points a finger at others and says “But they did it a thousand years ago!” as a justification for the honor killings, child rape/marriage, and all the other atrocities islam commands muslims to commit.

  • Kal_El

    Hey bub, nice try. Those are all quotes from the OLD TESTAMENT, everything before the supposed birth of Christ. Minus the verses from Matthew (which makes next to no sense) and Mark (which rings like a threat/intimidation), those are all BC text. Now, in my lifetime, I cannot find ONE SINGLE record of Christians killing and invoking Jesus/Christianity as the motivation. I can find over a dozen in just the last week, done in the name of islam. A valiant effort at moral relativism, but Pull your head out of your ass, wipe the feces from your eyes, and OPEN THEM to the evil inherent in islam. I have no hate for muslims, only pity, for they are slaves to an outdated 7th century death cult.

  • Kal_El

    It has no science or fact in it. It is your OPINION. I will ask you a series of questions that got me scolded in Sunday School. What happened to the BILLIONS of people who lived and died before Christ? The polytheist Romans, Greeks, etc…, and the inhabitants of the as yet undiscovered “New World” (in which there was technology not yet even dreamed of in Europe, Asia, etc…)? Are they all in hell, because they did not accept Jesus? If so, why are they condemned to eternal suffering because of their date of birth? Are they all in heaven, given a pass for being born too early? If they were indeed given a pass, why? Why should they be given a pass, and not us living now?

  • Kal_El

    Exactly, those assholes killing in the name of the Church did so in direct contradiction of Christ’s message.

  • Ytacorganization

    Why do you think Moses was violent? I am not Jewish, (I’m an atheist) but I study their religion and I am quite frankly surprised by your statement. I also study the life of Muhammad and I do not find him to be a very peaceful man at all. His last ten years in Medina were violent, bloody years of military conquest. Why do you think Moses was more violent than Muhammad? I’m very interested for a reply.

  • Nghowe67

    Maybe some of you should actually read the Koran, instead of just taking these quotes that are taken out of context. The Koran AND the Bible both call for killing those who will ATTACK you, oppress you, try to drive you out of a place. Only difference I can see is that where the Koran specifically says, in 109.16 “You shall have your religion and I shall have mine.” You know little or nothing of the Islamic religion, yet you act as if you know it all. You make false claims against them (Though shalt not bear false witness), you claim that they do things that your preachers have done (pedophilia, child abuse). I know this will fall on deaf ears, because you are reactionary and bigoted and will only see that I defended the “other side,” so I will give you something else to think about: I am an Atheist. Why? Because what I see in religion is nothing but a way to drive people apart, a way to discriminate. When someone shows me a religion that actually is based solely on good, maybe I will change my mind, but since even Christians can’t follow the Bible (think Matthew 25:31-46 for example) I will refuse to believe any of it.

  • Sirwilhelm

    If you are an atheist, I don’t understand why you imply defense of Islam by suggesting that some of us should read the Koran. Since an atheist doesn’t believe in any god, why read a book dictated by a supposed god named Allah? If there’s no god, it’s meaningless, and the religion it created, is meaningless too. On the other hand, if any “religion” was designed to “drive people apart”, as you say, Islam is it, as these verses indicate.

  • Sirwilhelm

    Holy books tend to be contradictory, complex, and hard to interpret, the Bible is not that much different from the Quran in many ways, because much of the Quran is based on the Bible, and recognizes Christians and Jews as the People of the Book. I must point out that it is not hate mongering to quote from these books, unless the quotes are not accurate. If they are inaccurate, please, point out the mistakes. As far as taking them out of context is concerned, they are religious books, that is the context. The quotes, as the books themselves, are open to interpretation. If the quotes create feelings of hate, that’s just because that is a possible interpretation. If you want to defend Islam and the Quran, then try to explain why your quotes and those from the article are contained in the same book, the Quran.

  • Istanbul_chick

    Good call, Sirwilhelm.

    I’ll go a step further and flat call this douche a mohammadan as he uses the same twisted logic as mohammdans not playing taqiyyaa.

    And only mohammadans see everything as an ATTACK on islam and it’s zombies. Even a question is seen as an attack.

  • Kal El

    That is because they are all fabricated with the idea of controlling the masses.

  • Nicholas Ether

    Well all religions are quite evil, google search “evil bible” for an thorough bashing of Christianity (by an Atheist, not a Muslim so don’t freak out). Every Religion has it’s violence and evil. Yes even the Bible says to stone adulterers. Why don’t we? Because most people have enough sense not to follow every word of it. Same with Muslims, only a few HUMANS are insane enough to follow that and misinterpret it.

    By the way, this article is wrong, the term infidel means someone who does not believe in God. So technically Christians and Jews are NOT infidels since it is all the same God. In fact any time the Qu’ran speaks of war, is in reference to being attacked.

    Finally, any REAL Muslim would not participate in any terrorist attacks, and the answer is in the Qu’ran. Allah (the Arabic word for God, just like Yahweh is a name for God) says that the death of one innocent human being is equivalent to the whole of humanity. Anyone that has actually READ a Qu’ran and not just pick random quotes would know that. So real Muslims would, and did, view 9/11 as the death of all of humanity thousands of times over.

    Now everyone should understand, we are all equal, all of our religions have parts we choose to ignore, but we are to afraid to ignore all of it. A few crazy people who murdered thousands does not represent thousands. They are a few people that twist the Qu’ran in the same way this article does. In fact, terrorists could USE this article as a recruitment tool, you have already misconstrued it for them.

    So in the end remember, don’t judge Muslims based on a few radicals, just like everyone forgave Christians for the crusades.

  • Kal El

    Wow you say a whole lot of nothing with that paragraph. Infidel simply means one who does not have faith. As for REAL muslims and terrorism, did Muhammad not commit acts of terror? The extermination of the Banu Qurayzah certainly qualifies. As for the death of one innocent human being as the death of the whole of humanity, you leave out an interesting detail, that anyone not muslim is guilty of not submitting to the moon-god. As for muslims viewing 9/11 as the death of humanity, then why were there THOUSANDS of muslims dancing in the streets and handing out candy the day of the attacks? You say a few radicals, do you know how many a few is? Ever wonder why the supposed non-radicals never say anything incondemnation of those radicals when they go all jihadi, but instead attack and label anyone condeming it as an islamophobe? And about the Crusades, that was a misguided attempt to take back land that muslims have occupied for 1400 years. You might want to do some better research before posting here.

  • Guest

    [8.61] And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

  • Hellosnackbar

    the hearing and the knowing??you forgot the imaginary!

  • SirWilhelm

    At best, Allah is a moon god, at worst, he doesn’t exist. As for trusting in Allah, the results of his only really apparant creation, the Quran, are all too easy to see, and they don’t look good to me.

  • http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/1119196-does-america-world-have-muslim-problem-3.html#post16479517 Does America (or the world) have a "Muslim problem"? – Politics and Other Controversies -Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President – Page 3 – City-Data Forum

    [...] wake up. we are not in a war on terror.. we are in a war against islam.. to bad our media/govt. does not tell us the truth.. dont believe me? we allow muslims to worship in mosques here. try and visit the following countries and worship with a bible.. my bet is you will not come back.Muslim Countries, Muslim Population in Percentage Order worldwide. that is why we fight and attack them on their soil and not ours..The text of the Koran is undeniable. How can you be Muslim and still support o. [...]

  • CleaReason

    The Bible doesn’t teach people to have sex with children, neither did Jesus have sex with a child. So if someone, who called himself a Christian, raped a child that is not the Bible’s problem, this is his problem. But Mohammad had sex with Aisha when she was 6 (through her thighs) and had a full intercourse with her when she was 9, and allowed having slaves and concubines, then that is the teaching of Islam not Muslims. By the way when Aisha was taken to be Mohammad’s wife he was 50 years old, she was playing with other children in a playground. The idea that she was 9 years old but and an adult is a myth. How can 1400 years make a 9 years old an adult then may be 3000 years ago a 4 years old child was an adult too. Think about it.

  • CleaReason

    The Bible doesn’t teach people to have sex with children, neither did Jesus have sex with a child. So if someone, who called himself a Christian, raped a child that is not the Bible’s problem, this is his problem. But Mohammad had sex with Aisha when she was 6 (through her thighs) and had a full intercourse with her when she was 9, and allowed having slaves and concubines, then that is the teaching of Islam not Muslims. By the way when Aisha was taken to be Mohammad’s wife he was 50 years old, she was playing with other children in a playground. The idea that she was 9 years old but and an adult is a myth. How can 1400 years make a 9 years old an adult then may be 3000 years ago a 4 years old child was an adult too. Think about it.

  • Franko

    [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

    Where did you get Jews and the Christians from this verse in the Koran – Allah is God and both Jews and the Christians believe in God?

    4th Point: Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax

  • Beejj

    The best part of your amusing ramble was “a few radicals.”

  • Hellosnackbar

    The main joke about people who believe in the supernatural is failure to comprehend the logical fallacy of:omnicience,omnipotence,and omnipresence.
    As you say Beejj if God has such gifts; then one can only conclude that he/she is a malevolent twat.

  • SirWilhelm

    The Arabic for God is llah, not Allah. And the Muslim war cry is “Allahu Akbar”. Akbar means greater, kebir is Arabic for great. Allah claims he is greater than any other god, including Jehovah, and Jesus is just another prophet, not the Son of God. Even Atheists should see the distinction they are making. Muslims consider any non-Muslims as infidels, and, Christians and Jews have referred to non-believers as infidels too. Shiites and Sunnis and other Muslims sects consider each other as infidels too, and often kill each other over their distinctions, but all agree that non-Muslims need to be converted to Islam, or killed, eventually.

    Not everyone believes we are all equal, only our belief that we are “endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights” distiguishes us from most of the rest of the world. We don’t stone adulterers in our country because we believe in rule of law based on that belief, which has led to laws based on the concept that the punishment should fit the crime. If this article, and others like it, twist the Quran, how is it that it is so often recent converts to Islam that are recruited to be terrorists? Why is not those that are most familiar with the Quran, those that do the recruiting, that do the terrorism themselves? Isn’t that totally cynical of them? Many truly great leaders of history have put themselves in harms way as examples for their followers, Alexander the Great, Stonewall Jackson, Patton, led by example, not by any book. Muslim leaders wave their book and promise paradise to those that die for Allah, while reaping the benefits of their sacrifices as ways to increase own power. And since Alllah is nowhere to be seen to contradict what they do, they assume silence means consent, and keep on doing it. Muslims are judged by their radicals for the same reason, they say little, and do nothing, to stop them.

  • JEWHAWK

    “Make the World a Better Place. Nuke Israel”

    Why don’t you TRY to do so?

    “…a religion of pure hatred thats Judaism.”
    Jews did NOT make the Crusades, the “holy” Inquisition, the forced conversion of native Aztecs, Mayan and other people. Jews did NOT make pogroms against defenseless folks on account of their ethnicity and religion.

    Christians did it.

    “…Islam is a heck a lot more peaceful (both in theology and practice) than the Jewish cult ”
    PROVE IT. Talk is easy.

    “For example, myself a Catholic ”

    You are a COCK SUCKING Catholic. Live with that.

  • JEWHAWK

    “Perhaps trade sanctions might be more appropriate than mass murder”

    Sure. Punish Israel, your ONLY ally and normal country in the entire Middle East.
    Just keep rewarding with your hard-earned tax-payer’s Dollars countries that PERSECUTE Christians, such as EGYPT, TURKEY,”palestine” and PAKISTAN.

    Gee, makes a lot of sense…

    For an ASSHOLE.

  • JEWHAWK

    A muslim picking a jewish nickname ? Your nickname should be “MUSLIMWANKER234″.

    “islamis a very beautiful religion”
    The HELL it is. It’s as “beautiful” as a heap of shit that cloggs a toilet bowl with a dozen of flies buzzing around.

    “Nathan234″, you’re a complete idiot, even for muslims’ already poor standards.

  • JEWHAWK

    “…until she became an adult. ”

    I don’t think that a NINE-YEAR OLD girl fits in this abominable narrative, Mr.Anders. If you think in that manner, you’re a PEDOPHILE, someone who reckons it’s absolutely ok to fondle, harrass and sexually assault a child. You’re a CRIMINAL.
    Mohammad was a SCOUNDREL, among many other things…and yes, PBUH ( PISS BE UPON HIM).

  • JEWHAWK

    Señor Lozano, Jesus also didn’t behead innocent folks with his own hands, as the desert’s scoundrel, Muhammad did.
    If they met each other, Jesus’ head would be oozing a thick pool of blood in the dirt, severed from its body.
    Muhammad’s scimitar would be dripping Jewish blood once again, as he did to the Jewish tribes that inhabited the Arabic Peninsula that were all butchered by the “prophet”.

  • Tcn14000

    The fact is that any Christian* who is a true believer cannot take an oath to support and defend our constitution and laws–not in the military, not in the CIA, FBI, or Police, and not in political office.

    Death for Cursing Parents
    1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
    2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense.

    Death for Fornication
    A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. Leviticus 21:9 NAB

    Kill People for Working on the Sunday
    The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’

    Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
    But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

    Death to Followers of Other Religions
    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

    Freedom of religion. LOL
    Think about that!

    Good post!
    *fixed

  • Istanbul_chick

    Way to use critical thinking…NOT!

    The Constitution, Bill of Rights and common laws are based on JUDEO-CHRISTIAN laws. Of which you just cut and pasted a few. Which islamic site did you clip those from?

    Those laws apply only to the Jews and Christians. Can you show us a chapter and verse that says Jews and Christians must force those laws like killing non virgins and working on Sundays on believers of other faiths?

    And here is your lack of critical or even semi-intelligent thinking:

    “Death to Followers of Other Religions
    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)”

    Explain to us how this verse is COMMANDING Jews or Christians to KILL/SUBJUGATE/PHYSICALLY HARM people of other faiths. It says “SHALL BE DOOMED.” Obviously you have no command of English. Do yourself a favour and look up up doomed. It is used as a noun, adjective or a transitive verb. The verse you quoted does not say “You are commanded to doom…” Jackass. Oh, BTW can you tell us what “NAB” means.

    Now, here’s some gems from mein kurampf that make it clear that mohammadans are indeed COMMANDED to force their allah’s laws not only on their co-cultists but upon najis, kaffirs, unbelievers, NON-INNOCENTS and infidels (any one who rejects douchebag mo as a prophet and his sock-puppet pal allah’s bullshit): *please note that I will cite ISLAMIC sources and not anti-islamic sources

    This first one shows that allah loves those who “emigrate” and FIGHT to spread allah’s will (full-blown jihadists) and those who offer them assistance (moderate mohammadans) and those who merely stay at home(cultural mohammadans and those who do not leave mohammadan lands) are not loved:

    “Indeed, those who have believed and emigrated and fought with their wealth and lives in the cause of Allah and those who gave shelter and aided – they are allies of one another. But those who believed and did not emigrate – for you there is no guardianship of them until they emigrate. And if they seek help of you for the religion, then you must help, except against a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty. And Allah is Seeing of what you do.” Source: http://quran.com/8/72

    “So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.”

    *Just had to include tafsir notes with this one. Tafsir really sheds light on what mein kuranmpf really means.

    …”You are ORDERED by allah to CONTINUE TO CARRY OUT JIHAD AGAINST THE DISBELIEVERS TILL THEY EMBRACE (P)ISLAM>>>”OR AT LEAST COME UNDER YOUR PROTECTION” What is protection? Jizya of course! You know, islam’s extortion racket!

    Pretty clear there that allah COMMANDS mohamamdans to fight non-mohammadans until they convert to islam or pay jizya.

    Again, do show us a chapter and verse from any other religion’s texts in which their deity COMMANDS THEM TO IMPOSE THEIR RELIGION OR RELIGIOUS LAWS ON DISBELIEVERS.

    Until you do your above “arguement” is nothing but another lame attempt, by a brainless, witless and unthinking mohammadan or foolish najis apologist for pislam, at relativism.

    And yeah, we do have freedom of religion but not freedom of destructive, hateful or racist IDEOLOGIES ( e.g. islam).

    We also have freedom FROM religion. That’s something you mohammadans and traitorous shills don’t comprehend. allah makes it clear, over and over NO ONE is to have freedom from his laws.

  • JEWHAWK

    “The fact is that any Christian* who is a true believer cannot take an oath to support and defend our constitution and laws–not in the military, not in the CIA, FBI, or Police, and not in political office.”

    They can’t, but they DID.
    Christians just built the greatest country in Human History called United States of America.

  • Istanbul_chick

    Thanks for the compliment, Christine!

    In a way it’s good that all these losers are converting. islam is in effect taking out our garbage for us.A few of them have gotten arrested overseas (jihad jane), and a few have died or been raped in caves in mohammadan lands (Beverly Giesbrecht..I was REALLY hoping to see a video of her beheading).

    Someone, I think here on IAC, mentioned Nuremburg. When the dust finally settles all those traitorous reverts will stick out like sore thumbs. All the more easier for us to identify them and take them to trial for treason.

  • Gaye

    Gidday Tcn1400, you are reading from the old testament, Christians follow Jesus, they follow the new Testament. which says.’You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these. (NRSV, Mark 12:31).
    But even then there are verses in the old testament like, Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD, (Leviticus 19:18, NIV)
    Christians are told to even love their enemies. God knows that hatred kills, it shortens your life span.

    As with your books, verses must be read before and after a verse, and we must know why these orders were given, eg, on a few occaisions, God told the people of old to kill those around them, and when we go back we find that these races were so evil, they sacrificed their children, and did terrible unimaginable things and God had been trying to work with them for decades or more before eventally God had had enough and said to kill them ..

    The new testament says..
    For God so loved (agape) the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3:16)

    That means you, me, Italians, Greeks, Chinese, etc.. The gift of God’s son as a provision for sin was given to all humans, regardless of who we are. God’s love is unconditional, and the New teatament says that people should murder, murder is when you deliberately plan to destroy another..

    “Islam is a religion in which god requires you to send your son to die for him.”

    “Christianity is a faith in which God sent his Son to die for you.”

    Tcn, unfortunately there have been many things done in the world under the name of God, and when people cannot read it is easier to manipulate them to believe that they are to go to war… Even though 99% of all religions say to live in peace with those around them there is still times of war..

  • Gaye

    Excellent reply Jewhawk, and I know that you were rightfully angry, but being nasty gets us no where..
    These poor people dont seem to realise that Allah was one of 360 gods of the time. We see the carvings of the moon and crescent well before Mohammad time. He was the god of agriculture, WAR and the SWORD so it was obvious of his intentions before he acquired enough numbers to become a force..
    The first part of the quran is much like the bible, love, respect etc well we can not expect anything else as Mohammad’s first wife (Khudeija ) who was about 15 years older than Mohammad, was a very rich catholic widow, who was able to keep him in the style he had become accustomed to. (after his first wife’s death, his second wife (Sawda) and his firth wife (Zainab ) were also rich widow, Sawda was ugly, but rich) His first wife would have imparted information from the bible to him plus Mohammad had a Jewish friend who also was very influential in teaching Mohammad.. thus many of the scriptures in the first part of the quran are much like the bible and Torah.. But once Mohammad acquired enough numbers to become a force Allah’s revelations seem to change.
    The Jewish people would not take Mohammad as their prophet, so Mohammad hate them, so he raided and slaughtered village after village and the quran says that he took the land, booty and women.. As they took Jewish women and children that they didnt kill for wives or sex slaves, and even though they hate the Jewish people, Muslims have to realise that Jewish blood runs in their veins ..

  • Sammieplayed

    I think this unreal,, number one the chosen are the Israeli’s , that means all that believe in the ONE G – D .. Allah was founded by Nimrod as a Moon god lol … All is accounted for and even Allah knows this ,, the beginning is the end and the end is the beginning .. This is why all is happening so fast … These sons of Ismael are so willing to die for Satan and we will be put to the test believing in the ONE G – D … Do not come to my house because we will see who is standing in the end… There is no name of Allah but the name of mingled seeds these are the sons of Ismael .. ( we have a little different names for them ) …

  • Dave B

    “The Constitution, Bill of Rights and common laws are based on JUDEO-CHRISTIAN laws.”

    Completely false, but conservatives can be counted on to believe it and repeat it. There is nothing whatsoever in the Bible that supports or relates to democracy. The Constitution makes not a single mention of God, Jesus, the Bible, the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount or anything else from Judeo-Christian laws. The only mentions of religion at all are that the state shall keep out of religion there shall be no religious test for public office.

  • Istanbul_chick

    Was or was not James Madison an Episcopalian?

    Are you going to tell us Gouverneur Morris was a mohammadan?

    George Wythe was influenced by mohammadan sources? Hindu? Atheist?

    You are 100% positive that those men were in no way influenced by their own cultureal and religious heritages? They just pulled it all out of their asses?

    Or are you one of those nutjob libtards that will create some fictional mohammadan and claim it influenced the architects of the U.S. constitution?

    And just f.y.i.: I am not a conservative. I am also not ashamed to admit that 2008 was the FIRST time I DID NOT cast my vote for the democratic niominee and last year I voted almost all republican (I refused to give my vote to the most vehement anti-abortionist).

    So put that in your hooka pipe and smoke it while you’re kissing third world arses. I too was a loser moral and cutlural relativist like you until I lived among the third world savages and realized they’re still savages NOT because of “colonialism” or imperialism” or “those white devils.” They’re savages because they CHOOSE to be savages.

    Yet nitwits like you who hate yourself and hate your own culture (because you’re a social retard, ugly or just plain stupid) dare to tell me I should respect the savages because they are equal to me and if I don’t I’m a conservative. You dare to tell me that my culture is equal or inferior to savage cultures. And that history, as written, exectued and evolved from the people who were actually there is all wrong because, well, you say so?

    Do yourself a favour: go live in a third world country with your savages as a savage. Choose one that’s governed by laws on sharia then tell us the Bill of Rights was not in any way influenced by the Judeo/Christian laws the actual framers were familiar with.

  • Dave B

    Sad to see such a mean-spirited, condescending rant from a defender of Christianity, Istanbul_chick. Her anger and intolerance are unfortuantely quite instructive, as they exemplify why the nation’s founders were wise enough to keep religion apart from the system of governance they were creating.

    IC’s writing makes the unsupported assumptions that: 1) if a document is written by Christians, it must be rooted in Christianity, and 2) if a document is not rooted in Christianity, it must be rooted in some other religion or else savagery. I don’t know why she finds it impossible that Christians would write a document and create a secular system unrelated to their Christian faith or any other faith. Research on the historical origins of The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution is quite extensive, and none of it beyond “endowed by their Creator” leads back to any religious scripture or custom — pagan Greece and Rome, the Scottish Enlightment, John Locke, Montesquieu.

    Unfortunately, IC resorts to the hallmark of intolerance among many religious fanatics: This country belongs to her kind of people, and those who don’t agree should leave. Again, precisely what the nation’s founders worked so hard to overcome.

  • Istanbul_chick

    I am not defending Christianity. I am simply pointing out that the framers of the constitution were influenced by their culture which was in fact Judeo/Christian. Every thing everyone does is influenced by who they are which is influenced by their culture and personal beliefs. It’s the height of stupidity to claim that their thoughts and ideas had nothing to do with their culture. What were they? Robots?

    Intolerance among religious fanatics. You seem to have a problem with that but no problem with islam which is the most intolerant of religions and produces more than its fair share of fanatics.

    What kind of people am I? I volunteer for NARAL and donate to planned parenthood. The regular posters on here know exactly what kind of person I am and what my history is and it is so far from being Christian it may as well be in another galaxy.

    You, however, are a typical leftard. You proclaim to hate religious fanatics but you have demonstrated that in your twisted libtard view “religious fanatic” means white Christian and Jew. You espouse the intolerance of Christians yet condone, support and most likely push for the protection and importation of the most intolerant of beliefs and its adherants: islam.

    So, you are claiming that a person’s culture and religion has ZERO influence on any idea, thought, or behaviour of a person? Good. Now you evil libtards cannot scream that it’s the culture that produces female genital mutilation, polygamy, “honour” killings, murders of the “others’ simply for being others a.k.a jihad. mohammadans are just evil. Thanks for clearing that up you loony lib. Get back to your hooka pipe and better slap on some patchouli: you stink.

    And you learned a lesson you and your mohammadan masters haven’t figured out yet: it’s not just Bible thumpers who hate islam and it adherants. In fact, it’s the Bible thumpers that are going to get us killed with their naive tolerance of “believers in the one God” and turn the other cheek philosophy. They’re the fools that are sponsering, financially and with service, the importation of HUGE numbers of mohammadans into America. The Catholics are to blame for the invasion of Sudanese mohammadans into Minnesota.

    Yes, I hate. I hate mohammadans. I lived among those savages for years. I hate Christians and their misguided tolerance. Only a fool or a suicidal asshole tolerates intolerance. I hate Christians who think they have a right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body. I hate Christians who claim God “hates fags.” I hate mohammadans who hate everything non mohammadan and I especially hate liberals who hate the culture that gave them the freedoms they are working so hard to destroy because they believe all cultures are equal. And I hate liberal loons who hate Christianity so much they try to re-invent WHO our founding fathers were.

  • SirWilhelm

    What more do you need than “endowed by their Creator”? Who do you think they referred to when they said that?
    The Founders were careful not to endorse any one religion, but they made it clear they felt that religious faith was important to the survival of the Republic. If you don’t believe the Constitution, Bill of Rights and common laws are based on Judeo-Christian laws, what do you believe they were based on? If you want some clues on the role religion played in the beginning of the Republic, you should set aside the three days it takes for the Christian Heritage Tours to show visitors all the biblical references on buildings ranging from the Library of Congress to the Capitol itself.

    There was one religion our Founders warned against. Even then they preceive the threat from Islam. Ouf first adventure in foriegn affairs came against the Barbery Pirates as the “shores of Tripoli” verse in the Marine Hymn attests. IC is very right when she says, “Only a fool or a suicidal asshole tolerates intolerance”. Intolerance is ingrained in Islam. Muslims may claim to be moderate and tolerant, but, they are authorized and encouraged to lie to non-Muslims. So, how can we tolerate any Muslim, when we have no way of knowing when they are lying?
    I don’t believe the Founders wanted us to be tolerant of our enemies.

  • Dave B

    Now we have two people apparently incapable of understanding that Christian people can do anything that isn’t rooted in Christianity. Maybe I’ll address William, because IC is just filled with hate.

    Charles Darwin was a serious Christian. The Origin of the Species must be rooted in Christianity.
    Einstein was a Jew. The Theory of Relativity must be rooted in Judeo-Christian belief.

    “What more do you need than “endowed by their Creator”?” That’s all you need? Did you know that Muslims believe the same, that humans are endowed with rights from their creator? Guess you didn’t.

    “If you don’t believe the Constitution, Bill of Rights and common laws are based on Judeo-Christian laws, what do you believe they were based on?” My last comment provided a list of five places to start.

    Both of you are what the founders feared most — religious people who are absolutely certain that the country belongs to them.

  • Istanbul_chick

    Can’t read can you?

    What part of I am not religious do you not understand?

    You certainly must be a mohammadan. Fess up. Your name isn’t Dave it’s dawood. Or durka durka.

    mohammadans also have the same inability to read anything that refutes what they say and simply keep hammering on their first point. I’m not Christian you idiot. I am an apostate of mo’s cult of death.

    This country belongs to the American people who believe that the framers of its constitution were indeed men who were influenced by their Judeo/Christian roots. Who behaved accordingly. It belongs to people who believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness but not at the expense of other’s life, liberty or happiness. It is a democratic republic that was founded by men who were Christians, Deists and a few Agnostics who, as Sir Wilhelm pointed out knew what a threat islam was after the fact. I bet you’re one of those idiots who, like Ellison, who think Jefferson had a mein kuranmpf because he “respected islam.”

    We believe this country does not belong to foreign and domestic hostile cultures and religions who would usurp our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Our founding fathers wanted freedom from relgion. As there is no freedom from islam when it has the upper hand in demographics it’s a safe assumption that the founding fathers would have never knowingly included islam under the protection of the Bill of Rights.

    Charles Darwin was a SELF DESCRIBED (in other words he said himself) Agnostic. And certainly his culture influenced all of his works including The Origin of Species.

    Einstein. Now you’re grabbing at straws. Einstein had very little respect for people who believed in the big sky daddy.

  • Dave B

    Sorry for baiting you with Darwin and Einstein, but you retorted perfectly that they had no religion! Then where did they get their ideas if people must get them from their religious heritage???

    IC and Wilhelm have to fall back on the vague claim that American democracy must be rooted in Judeo-Christian heritage because that’s the envrionment the founding fathers lived in. There’s nothing in America’s founding documents or Biblical scripture to support the connection. If, as you claim, the Judeo-Christian heritage was so important to them, then the absence of a connection between the founding documents and scripture must have been quite deliberate.

    If democracy is rooted in Christianity, please explain how Christianity thrived and grew to dominate the Western world during 1700+ years of monarchy and autocracy before democracy arrived. Christianity and dictatorship supported each other for many centuries. They were not incompatible.

    Where did the founding fathers warn against Islam? I read the opposite from Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin.

  • Beejj

    This is a fascinating discussion. I am woefully ignorant of the history of America and know precious little about those brilliant blokes who put together the Constitution, but I have been led to believe that they were raised and educated in a society that was shaped by Christian or Judeo/Christian tenets, although they were adamant that religion of any colour should play no part in Government. Is this a fair statement?

    By the way, the old Pilgrim Fathers were smart cookies, too, because one of their first acts was to put in place the seeds of an education system that was vastly better than anything existing in Britain at that time. Is there any wonder superior schools (superior to their British counterparts) and academies and universities rapidly came into existence, with the result that the literacy rate in America was much, much higher than in Britain?

  • Istanbul_chick

    Agnostics believe in a deity and every agnostic I’ve known comes from a Judeo/Christian background.

    I did not say Einstein had no religion. He most certainly was a Jew. He was not a believing or practicing Jew.

    Go away mohammadan. You’ve been exposed for what you are.

    Of course you’ve only read the opposite on your islamic sites. Next, I’m sure you’re going to say all of them converted to islam on their death beds.

    Adams: ““In the seventh century of the Christian era a wandering Arab, of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combing the powers of transcendent genius with the preternatural energy of a fanatic and the fraudulent spirit of an imposter, proclaimed himself as a messenger from heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth…”

    Jefferson (after meeting the Algerian ambassador in Britain): “…“…that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

    I’ve never read any quotes from Washington, good or bad about islam. He was an isolationist and preferred our country stay out of other country’s business.

    Benjamin Franklin wrote a satirical piece aimed at Christians who were pro slavery. In it he eloquently painted a very true psychological profile of the typical mohammdan Hint: he used the mohammadan as a charicature of the pro slavery Christians (it seems to me he knew mohammadan nature very well, though):

    “…Have these Erika considered the Consequences of granting their Petition? If we cease our Cruises against the Christians, how shall we be furnished with the Commodities their Countries produce, and which are so necessary for us? If we forbear to make Slaves of their People, who in this hot Climate are to cultivate our Lands? Who are to perform the common Labours of our City, and in our Families? Must we not then be our own Slaves? And is there not more Compassion and more Favour due to us as Mussulmen, than to these Christian Dogs?”

    You’re either a mohammdan or a loony lib who hates Christians profoundly. Judeo/Christian theocracies have existed, yes. What’s your point? Our culture, the way we do things is influenced by Judeo/Christianity whether you like it or not. While our culture was influenced by ancient Greek and Roman cultures it most definitely was not influenced by anything produced from mohammdan culture (don’t bother will all the bbc bullshit about the “golden age of islam.” All those revisions of history and out right lies have been refuted ad naseum). If you hate that why don’t you go live in a country that WASN’T influenced by Judeo/Christianity.

    You won’t because despite your denials you know that you would not have the freedoms you have here in a mohammdan influenced country OR your a mohammadan. And deep down you know that you have those freedoms precisely because our founding fathers came from Judeo/Christian backgrounds. If your a lib I sincerly hope you do go live in a mohammdan country. I sincerly hope you are a gay liberal and taste first hand the bitter fruit islam bears for homosexuals. But, I’m leaning towards you being a mohammadan because you can’t seem to understand the difference between Judeo/Christian roots and Christian fundamentalism because there really is no, despite mohammdans lies, moderate islam. There is just islam and it is fundamental. Period.

  • Istanbul_chick

    Beejj, your many compliments about my country and basically the way we do things here are greatly appreciated, especially coming from you. Thank you.

    This isn’t a discussion so much as it is a know it all who can’t tell the difference between being influenced by Judeo/Christian principals and being fundamentalist, hence the strong suspicion I have that “Dave” is really a dawood. Also he assumes one must be an atheist to understand evolution. Darwin was very active in his church. I just watched a movie and one character said to another “you believe in there(and points at a church) but out here it’s bullshit?” I started chuckling because it sums me up perfectly.

    What’s funny is he’s convinced I’m a fundamentalist Christian. If only he knew I would personally send some women TO the abortion clinic whether they wanted to go or not…

  • Dave B

    That was John Quincy Adams, not John Adams. JQA was not a founding father.

    Jefferson was not warning against Islam, he was relating the Tripolitan ambassador’s justification for engaging in piracy against Western ships. There are pages of quotes where Jefferson derides Christianity and churches, and he denies that either were involved in his political thinking, such as:

    Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. (TJ, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814)

    In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own (TJ, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814)

    Frankling wrote satirical pieces about lots of things.

    Read the Old Testament and explain to us how there can be any moderate Judaism. Yet there is. There’s a lot of cruelty and slaughtering of Jews and Gentiles alike. Any number of sins are punishable by stoning. The Talmud rationalizes deceit and hostility toward Gentiles and women. Jesus said “I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword” (Gospel of Matthew 10:34).

    People like IC thrive on double standards. A hostile passage from the Koran is binding and damning, but a similar passage from the Bible is out of context, superseded by another, or immaterial because most Christians don’t live that way.

  • Beejj

    Has he actually said that one must be atheist to believe in Evolution? If so, he is woefully mistaken. I believe that the vast majority of Christians and Jews look upon the Genesis story as a childish, laughable and primitive attempt to “explain things” although they stick to their guns in believing that while the Genesis details must be absurd, god nevertheless was the creator of the universe; that science is unravelling a few of the mysteries of the wonders of creation. Giving a clearer picture, so to speak. I would guess that even that dick-head Archbishop of Canterbury (he’s Welsh, would you believe? Can someone else please claim him?) takes this view. Quite why they need to invent a god is beyond my powers of comprehension, but that’s not the point.

  • Dave B

    From IC — “Agnostics believe in a deity and every agnostic I’ve known comes from a Judeo/Christian background.”

    By definition, agnostics say there is no way to know if there’s a God, so they cannot be believers.

    From IC — “I did not say Einstein had no religion. He most certainly was a Jew. He was not a believing or practicing Jew.”

    If he was not a believing Jew, then he had no religion. Jew was just his ethnicity.

  • Istanbul_chick

    “thrive on double standards. A hostile passage from the Koran is binding and damning, but a similar passage from the Bible is out of context, superseded by another, or immaterial because most Christians don’t live that way. ”

    Where have I heard that before?

    Oh yeah, from mohammdans and their apologist whores.

    Key difference though: I’ve never been threatened with rape, murder or arrest by Christians for telling them the Bible is full of shit. Come to think of it, never had a Hindu, Jew or Buddhist threaten me either when I disagreed with them. “Most Christans don’t live that way” because they do reinterpret the Bible or amend it, as do the Jews with the Talmud. mohammadans are forbidden to do that with mein kuranmpf, not that they’d want to.

    What is in the Talmud and Bible doesn’t threaten me, my lifestyle or my pursuit of happiness because most of them I’ve dealt with live by the golden rule. The few fundies I’ve dealt with threatened me with nothing more than eternal damnation. That’s a far cry from rape, death or jail.

    Stop copying and pasting from islamist sites. That quote was talking about BRITISH common law just after the drafting of the Magna Carta. I suggest you read the WHOLE letter Jefferson wrote instead of copying and pasting. Father and son, I am sure shared many of the same opinions.

  • Istanbul_chick

    He hasn’t actually said it but that is what he implied with bringing up Darwin.

    Is the archbishop the one who more or less said sharia law is okay? If yes, he’s a dickhead and should just bend over and take it from the ummah now.

    As for him being Welsh, I was rather disappointed a couple of years ago. I was watching some program about how mean we are to the mohammadans and they did a spot on Wales and about how some paki was trying to get the okay to wail the azaan. A few brave Welsh souls were fighting it tooth and nail but the majority of the town was like some hippy dippy liberal pot smoking unwashed kumbaya California commune and of course calling the true Welshmen racist. Of all the British Isles I expected the Scots and Welsh to be the ones to put their feet down and say “no, you’re not part of our culture and you’re not going to change the way we do things around here. Feck off!”

  • Istanbul_chick

    Please for the love of whatever cranks your motor do not read my last few posts!

    I’m so p.o.d and tired that I have been incapable of typing the correct forms of you’re and your. Some days it’s they’re and their but tonight it’s your and you’re.

    I’m really not an illiterate idiot. I’m just and angry wench that needs to at least quickly proof read before posting.:)

  • Kal_El

    The difference between IC and the scum we write about her on IAC is that I have yet to hear about her cutting someones head off who disrespected Jesus, or blowing herself and others up over cartoons. The same CANNOT be said about muslims.

  • Beejj

    IC, you silly old bugger, who gives the proverbial shit about little grammatical peccadilloes (and this from the grammar Nazi!!!)? What matters is the substance of your missives. Yes, there exists a line that demarcates the unwashed (Islam abounds with such tragics) from the careless, but you have never approached it. Christ, I have made my share of typographical howlers, here!

    I am somewhat puzzled by the fact that Dave B has not replied to me. Disappointed, too, given his seeming heated enthusiasm to make his point – whatever it might be. I asked, I believe, a simple question, and expected a fairly prompt reply. Perhaps Sir W, who knows far more about these things than I, will answer me. Storm Rider, too, might return to enlighten us. Good bloke, old SR.

    Dave B, in one of his messages, referred to the hate on this site. The word “hate” is conveniently latched onto by those who have their own political agendas (agendae?). Hate is bad! Hate is evil! Hate is unforgivable and will not be tolerated! Hate is debilitating! Hate weakens and destroys! And so on. Well, I hate racism. Does that make me a naughty boy? I hate seeing England slaughtering Wales on the rugby field. Does that make me beyond the pale? I hate anything that undermines freedom of thought and expression — Christ, I hate them with a passion that passeth all understanding! Ergo, I MUST hate Islam ……. and if I hate Islam I am bound to hate its followers and supporters. Does THAT make me a baddie?

    But life is hideously complex, isn’t it? Just a few hours ago I went shopping. As I stood in the queue (understand that word, you Yankee fruitcake?) I looked down into the eyes of the loveliest child one could ever see. Perfectly beautiful, she was. About 3 years old. I smiled and patted her head and spoke softly to her. Her mother was pleased and mumbled something. Mohammedan woman. What is to become of that child? She will be brainwashed into becoming an enemy of everything I hold dear and respect. Her eventual offspring might one day be lauded for blowing up unsuspecting Australians at a football match. This would not be the case if she were Catholic or Jewish. Should murderous enemies of civilisation be ruthlessly eradicated? YES! What about POTENTIAL enemies? What about that sweet little girl? Yup …… it’s a hideously complex world.

    The Welsh and Scots, alas, are dyed-in-the-wool Socialists. Rampantly so. They are the mortal enemies of Conservatism. Idiots.

  • SirWilhelm

    It’s hard to get through to people like you when you ignore some of the things I say, like when I explained that they were careful not to endorse any one religion. especially any one Christian denomination, because they wanted their new country to be free to all religions, because that was why the Pilgrims came there, to find a place where they could worship as they saw fit.

    I didn’t say democracy is rooted in Christianity, the Founders clearly gave the Greeks their due for inventing it. And it was Constantine that made Christianity his state religion because he saw how popular it was becoming, and many rulers followed his lead in uniting their thrones with the leading religion of their times to secure their power. But the founders sought a new solution, an experiment, in creating a Democratic Republic that could rule by the grace of the Creator while allowing it’s citizens to worship Him as they saw fit.

    Muslims claim they worship the Creator, but, their diety, Allah, is clearly different in identity, temperment, and nature, to the Biblical dieties of Jehovah, and Jesus, and, if you recognize that the religious aspects of Islam are merely window dressing for it’s militarized, political system, you’d realize it’s not a religion.

    Perhaps you consulted the wrong sources when you “read the opposite”? Try this source: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/no-professor-ahmed-the-founders-were-not-so-fond-of-islam/

  • Hellosnackbar

    Right on IC! we are pretty much the same in the main.
    Your story of the Muslimah virgin still has me laughing;tell us more dear lady.
    I related the story to a friend of mine in Germany;his laughter down the phone(a 130 decibel shriek) left my right ear ringing.

  • Dave B

    SirW – I’ve addressed numerous points offered by you and IC, but you express pique at “people like you” because I haven’t address all. You think responding on this blog is all I do?

    From SW – “There was one religion our Founders warned against….” Wrong on the use of the word “one.” Several of the founding fathers devoted much more time to warning against Christian dogma and churches.

    The Pilgrims, then Puritans came here not for religious freedom, but for their own imposed religious conformity. They drove out those among them who didn’t toe their religious line.

    IC, SW and others ignore the historical proximity of the Thirty Years War and other religiously rooted conflicts that drenched Europe in blood through the 17th century. And each side had Christian scripture to support it. The founding fathers understood this well.

    Allah is clearly different in identity, temperament and nature to Jehovah? Not in the Old Testament, where God is jealous, vengeful and frightening. He bears scant resemblance to the New Testament God. Christians may use either God and either Testament to justify their beliefs and actions.

    Christendom spent 1000+ years using religion as window dressing for a militarized political system and naked nationalism. Christian scripture and hegemony were essential to the European powers’ conquest of colonial lands, and of course the Crusades. The throne of Spain especially became inseparable from the church. The divine right of kings?

  • Istanbul_chick

    Of course I understand queue. You were standing in line. And I’m a colonial, not a yankee. And I am a colonial cupcake not a fruitcake. :P

    A few times I would see such children with ninja moms (burkad bitches not hijabed) and I would tell them what a sweet beautiful child. Then casually I would ask “how many more years before you stop seeing a lovely child but a walking vagina? At what age does she become competition and you throw a sack over her head?”

    Wild screams and gnashing of teeth ensued. I even got thumped with a purse one time.Of course I was called whore and prostitute, the usual mohammadan retorts. But the question had to be asked.

    I don’t know about in the U.K. but here in the states conservative does not always mean nationalist. It is hard to slap labels on ourselves. For years I was democrat because I believed in equal taxes for all and freedom of choice and limited welfare. Now I’ve registered as a republican because I hate rampant immigration supported by democrats, whorefare (we practically pay stupid women to pop out stupid baby after stupid baby), and no way in hell do I want us to become a socialist state. I’ve never had a problem with medical care or insurance nor has anyone I know. While I am white collar my friends and family are all blue collar yet the democrats keep screaming they’re the ones who need healthcare reform. Bullshit.

    On the other hand I hate conservatism in that I believe in freedom of choice, I despise corporate welfare and I believe the wealthy should pay their fair share of taxes (you can only tax the working class so far before they eventually break).

    As far as hating mohammadans, that’s the thing. It’s like having a dangerous pet. It may or may not turn on you one day. It’s wiser to just get a bunny instead. I worry about children of conservative bible thumpers. They may one day start a movement to overturn roe v wade(in a nutshell, supreme court ruling from the 70′s that decriminalized abortion) or try to get prayer back into schools. Neither of those things threatens my life or my pursuit of happiness. The junior jihadi on the other hand may one day in fact be a jihadi, or may force islamic prayer into schools, or press and have sharia reckognized in our courts. Jihad threatens my life and the other two threaten my pursuit of happiness. So yes, you are correct in that we should hate all of our enemies no matter their form.

    And don’t fool yourself, that sweet child is already filled with hate of Jews and kaffr. On the bus one day a young boy (4 or 5) was singing and I thought “how sweet.” Until I understood what he was singing…”Jews are shit. Our soldiers will destroy Israel, inshallah.allah hates unbelievers and by our righteous hands they shall die, inshallah” That seemed to be the chorus. I was naseaus and had to change my seat. Since that day when I look into the eyes of a young mohammadan all I see is hatred. I do not see the wonderous curiosity of the world or unconditional love or even innocence. I see pure unadulterated hatred of anything not mohammadan.

    My four year old nephew has no idea what a mohammadan, Jew, Christian or Hindu is. He certainly does not know any songs about our soldiers destroying anyone.

  • Istanbul_chick

    “Christian scripture and hegemony were essential to the European powers’ conquest of colonial lands, and of course the Crusades. ”

    Durka durka has exposed itself, SirW.

    Anyone with knowledge of history knows exactly what sparked the crusades and it wasn’t Christian hegemony.

  • Dave B

    I have two essential problems with the arguments of SW and IC: 1) their apparent belief that Islam is so irredeambly hostile to modernity and to non-Muslims that it can never comfortably co-exist with the outside world or even build a democratic society, and 2) that Judeo-Christian belief was a key to democracy, implying that those outside that tradition aren’t likely to get there.

    I have few problem with criticisms of the current state of the Muslim world that extends from Morrocco to Pakistan. (Indonesia is another story.) But is the problem inseparable from Islam, or are we just viewing a culture that’s roughly 400 years behind the times? If you believe that that part of the world can never progress or co-exist unless it fully abandons Islam — then prepare for endless conflict.

    Of course we can point to Koranic scripture to explain every problem and injustice in that part of the world. But the Christian Western world was for over 1,000 years also filled with cruelty and injustice, with ample theocratic responsibility for that. Christians will typically claim a distinction, because those so-called Christians were violating their religion, not following it. No, they weren’t. And that’s the double standard. Almost any cruelty done in the Western world had scripture to support it. Enslavement, eradications of people and conquests to attain land for the expansion of Christendom and the glory of Our Lord can all be justified by scripture. Hatred and punishment of “others”in our midst? It’s all there in scripture. Granted most of what we now see as cruelty or injustice is in the Old Testament, which often contradicts the New, but the OT is Christian scripture too, avaliable to justify Christian actions. The founding fathers understood this very well, explaining their desire to keep scripture and churches far away from influencing the power of the state.

    What changed in the Christian Western World to make this the free, just and peaceful place we now enjoy? People became more selective about which scripture to adhere to, and simply ignored the parts they thought unjust. The founding fathers didn’t find democracy, the Consitution and the Bill of Rights in Christian tradition or scripture. Because they aren’t there. While generally remaining practicing Christians to a greater or lesser degree, they stepped outside Judeo-Christian tradition to build something entirely new — a secular government built on political philosophies unrelated to any religious tradition. Ask yourself, if democracy is related to Judeo-Christian tradition, wouldn’t democracy have arrived much sooner than 1700 years after Christ? The most you can say is that American democracy could only have come after the Reformation granted sovereignty to the individual as an autonomous actor in God’s world. Democracy is unlikely to have arrived when the Catholic church controlled the Christian landscape.

    My conclusion is that free Western democracy only arrived when enlightened people became selective about scripture (without openly admitting it), and abandoned those parts that were incompatible with it. IC and SW appear to believe that the Islamic world is not capable of doing the same.

  • Dave B

    Yes, IC, it was Christian hegemony launched by European kings. Your understanding of history is thoroughly subject to your bias against the peoples you hate. So far on this board, you’ve expressed contempt for Muslims, Christian fundamentalists, conservatives, liberals, the English, Welsh and maybe Scottish, and Mexican immigrants. It’s unlikely that you could ever acknowledge that your side has ever done anything wrong or that the people you hate have ever been in the right.

  • Istanbul_chick

    I did once blow up my brother’s transformers with bottle rockets.:)

    And why would I cut someone’s head off over Jesus, the world’s first Jewish hippy? :D

    Durka durka, I strongly suspect, is a mohammadan. Only mohammadans can think in terms of religion and fundamentalism because well, that’s all islam is.

    I would sooner have satanists running this country than mohammadans.

  • Istanbul_chick

    Yeah, I know, islam conquered with peace and love. All those Spaniards in al andalusa converted willingly. mohammadans have never been aggressive and they lead the world in science and art.

  • Istanbul_chick

    LOL. From here on out we should no longer refer to them as muslimahs but as vagina virgins.

    Here is some vagina virgin science for you: Two of them I was arguing with about whether they were virgins or not claimed that the West was being killed by aids because we screw many, many mens with our pussies and that mohammadans never got aids because it could not spread through asses and because they clean after going to toilet. After I bit my tongue and contained my laughter I asked how then were gay men contracting aids. Vagina virgin one offered this gem: allah made the tissue in their asses like the tissue of women’s pussies. Vagina virgin two claimed that they were born with aids because they were gay, it was allah’s punishment.

    The scary part was these were not two ass backwards farm girls. One was an environmental engineer and the other was a mechanical engineer.

    islam: breeding ignorance for 1400 years.

  • Istanbul_chick

    Cue: Turkey.

    Despite being a parlimentary democracy it is rapidly slipping into an islamic theocracy courtesy of Erdogan and the akp party.

    I bet you’ve never lived as a mohammadan in a mohammadan country.

    Try it and then come here and spout your kumbaya, we’re all just people and let freedom ring malarkey.

    You have no idea the madness, hatred and backwardsness that infects islamic countries and their denizens because of their “culture that’s roughly 400 years behind the times?”

    islam cannot and will not ever catch up because of its scriptures and because of its adherants. They don’t want it to “catch up.” I bet you’re on of those idiots that thinks because there are saudi head bangers (heavy metal enthusiasts) and they have suvs and make hollywood type movies that “they’re people just like us!” That is naive and dangerous thought. Just ask one of those saudi head bangers or better yet a mohammadan in a mohammadan country that self describes him or herself as a “secular humanist” or “atheist” if a 54 year old man who sticks his adult sized penis into a nine year old girl’s child-sized vagina is a good man and if that man is worthy of respect, veneration or emulation. If they say no ask them then why you should respect mohammad.

    I suggest you duck after asking it.

    Just as you cultural and moral relativists refuse to accept that cultures that allow human sacrifice are indeed inferior to cultures that criminalize it mohammadans refuse to accept that islam breeds ignorance and hatred.
    Just as you demand that we accept cultures that encourage child rape as morally equal to cultures that try to eradicate it mohammadans demand that we accept that islamic culture and all its ugly warts is not only equal but superior to ours.

    Just as you idiots cannot and will not change, mohammdans cannot and will not change.

  • Dave B

    I have an idea of the madness, hatred and backwardness that infects countries. My relatives survived the Cultural Revolution — a xenophobic fanaticism far beyond anything happening in the Muslim world. To visit China today strains belief that it could be the same country. But it is.

    I’m suspicious of Erdogan, but what legal changes has he made? 1) remove the military’s right to enforce secularism and overthrow the government, 2) remove the military’s exemption from civil law, 3) remove the military’s right to try civilians, 4) allow women to wear religious symbols in public buildings, 5) give judicial appointment power to the legislative branch rather than the judiciary appointing its own members, 6) enable students graduating from religious schools to enter state universities, 7) curb the power of courts to outlaw political parties. Any of these would be considered obvious in America. But they must represent Islamization in a Muslim country?

  • Istanbul_chick

    1) remove the military’s right to enforce secularism and overthrow the government,

    The Turkish military has been the only thing that has kept Turkey from becoming an islamic theocracy.
    Now its upper ranks are full of islamists. How would you stop a Christian fundamentalist majority from changing America from a Constitutional Republic into a Christian Theocracy? Singing kumbaya around the campfire?

    2) remove the military’s exemption from civil law,

    Despite what you believe ask the average wanna be European Turk how they feel about the military. They acknowledge that the military is precisely the reason that they have not slipped into the islamic quagmire that dominates the Middle East.

    3) remove the military’s right to try civilians,

    Again, see 1 and 2.

    4) allow women to wear religious symbols in public buildings,

    Government buildings, universities. No go. That was the one and only time I defended the vagina virgin’s right to be walking vaginas. While they have no right to tell others they must wear a scarf, no one has the right to tell them they can’t. Every week there’s a big bruhaha at the entrance of Marmara University’s Goztepe campus over the whole scarf thing. God knows, I’ve been caught in the traffic jam it causes many, many times.

    5) give judicial appointment power to the legislative branch rather than the judiciary appointing its own members,

    Good God, do you know seats the legislative branch? The very same islamists who are gnawing at the bit to destroy Turkey’s secularlism. Turkey has a population of between 70 and 80 million. Only 15 million live in the mostly secular, “westernized regions of Turkey, the other 55 to 65 million live in the islamic, backwards third world parts of Turkey. They are the ones who want islamisation who complain Turkey is not muslim or religious enough. They make up the majority of the legislative branch now. Historically the military kept them in check.

    6) enable students graduating from religious schools to enter state universities,

    I will quote a truly atheist and secular Turkish university economics professor speaking about graduates of religious schools. “They are unequipped, ill prepared and UNWILLING to learn in a secular environment. They want to remain ignorant of the wide world, unless it glorifies their allah and we should accommodate them and send them back to their farms.” I will not give her name lest she lose her life or worse.

    7) curb the power of courts to outlaw political parties. Any of these would be considered obvious in America. But they must represent Islamization in a Muslim country?

    America has never had to deal with an ideology like islam. I would hope our government and military would take such drastic steps should neo-nazis ever try to form a political party and the majority supported them. You’re just another libtard that has swallowed the kool-aid that says islam is just an Abrahamic religion like Judaism and Christianity. You have NO idea of exactly what islam is because you’ve never been a mohammadan in a mohammadan country. Islam is not just “another Abrahamic religion” and the cultural psychology of mohammadans is so alien, so foreign and so incompatible and so hostile to our cultural psychology that it is a threat to our pursuit of happiness.

    Ask the Native Americans how cultural relativism and accepting an alien and hostile culture worked out for them…

  • Dave B

    Native Americans? You mean those people we conquered with peace and love? Who converted willingly by Americans who lead the world in science and art?

    As for incompatible — based on the list so far of people you dislike, I wonder if you’re compatible with much of anyone. Not long ago, nothing was more incompatible with or hostile to America’s cultural psychology than China. Should China be trusted with open arms? No. Have they/we come a long way. Yes.

  • Istanbul_chick

    Not a very astute one are you?

    I told you to ask Native Americans how cultural relativism and accepting a hostile and alien culture worked out for them. The answer is obvious: not well. Yet you have the chutzpah to tell us we should do the same thing with islam. And now you’re telling us we shouldn’t accept China but we should accept islam. With all due respect we don’t have droves of communist Chinese demanding special concessions in schools, workplaces or government (that do impact, negatively the indigenous populations) to practice communism freely. Nor am I aware of any covert communist Chinese plans to undermine the way we do things or cause harm, other than kicking our arses economically. When was the last time a communist Chinese employee was caught trying aid in the explosion of a domestic flight? I can think of three such INDIGENOUS mohammadan attempts just within the last year. Two in the States and one in England.

    Poverty causes this you say? The two mohammadan douchebags that tried to blow up Glasgow airport were doctors, one whose parents were both doctors, and the other, born and raised in England whose father was a doctor. I call bullshit on the poverty excuse. Oh, they’re angry about western foreign policy in the M.E. and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I don’t recall Vietnamese-Americans carrying out terror attacks, ever in the States. No Chinese-Americans threatened retaliation against Nike or Walmart for exploiting the poor in the motherland. And still you will tell me that China is a threat but islam is not.

    You have absolutely NO idea exactly what islam is. None. You have zero insight into how it affects its adherents and the cultures and countries it infects. You are like the naive and innocent Native Americans who thought “they’re just people like us.” It’s libtards like you that will get us all killed or open wide the gates to sharia law. And yes, Christians can be libtards too.

    I’m compatible with Christians, Hindus,Jews, Buddhists, atheists, Mexicans, Germans, Canadians, old women, old Chinese women (they’re a hoot), lesbians, anarchists, hippies, tree-huggers, monkey huggers, gay republican drag queens and even chimney sweeps. Basically anyone who does not believe in, practice or support any ideology, system of government or law that is hostile to me or my lifestyle and that has the singular intention of changing the way I live my life, the way my country does things or in anyway affects me, or others, negatively.

  • Dave B

    You are one of the most willfully ignorant people I’ve ever had the displeasure of conversing with.

  • Istanbul_chick

    No, you’re just a typical willfully ignorant and pompous libtard who believes all cultures and morals are equal because you’re so bloody afraid of being politically incorrect and anyone who disagrees is a racist or bigot.

    Had you been alive during ww2 you’d would have been one of those fools who warned against “demonizing the nazis.”

    You’ve produced no new arguments that many other loony libs have not already thrown out there and you’ve not provided evidence that islam isn’t a totalitarian political and social ideology disguised a religion.

  • Kal_El

    Then by all means, feel free to STOP CONVERSING. Simple answer.

  • myke

    if all religions decide to kill unbelievers, we’ll probably all be dead, is Islam really this barbaric?

  • SirWilhelm

    It was Muslim Arabs from the Arabian peninsula, that conquered the Holy Land beginning in 632 AD, after the death of Mohammed, and it’s Muslims that have been the occupiers ever since. The Crusades were an attempt to free the Holy Land from Muslim occupation. Ever since, the Muslim have tried to spin it the other way and claim that anyone non-Muslim is the occupier, If you believe otherwise, then IC is right, you are a Muslim apologist, at best, and a dawood, spewing taqyyia and kitman, at worse.

  • SirWilhelm

    I don’t think it was a matter of time for you, I think it was a lack of a response in the first place.

    Can you site any sources for “Several of the founding fathers devoted much more time to warning against Christian dogma and churches.”

    I’m not defending Christianity, I’m defending how the Founding Fathers saw religion, and the religious freedom they tried to guarantee in the form of government they created.

    Allah is the name of an ancient Arabian moon god, he is clealy opposed to Jehoavh in that he claims he is superior to Him. He denies that Jesus is the Son of God, he claims Jesus is only a prophet, and that Mohammed is the last and best prophet over Jesus. Allah tell his followers to convert Jews and Christians by the sword. Allah’s word in the Quran is believed to be infallible and unchangeable, while Christians and Jews often debate the meanings of Bible passages.

    The divine right of kings can be traced back to the beginnings of civilization when all the leaders were priest/kings and ruled in the names of thier various “gods”. That’s the lineage that royalty, even today, uses to justify their royalty. When Christianity became the popular religion, they became Christians themselves, and adopted it’s trappings, to continue the tradition of uniting church and state, because that was they way it had always been done. Our Founding Fathers were the first to try and make a clean break with that tradition. They recognized the abuses that resulted from keeping religion and politcal power united in one person. As do the Communists, who try to outlaw religion altogether. To blame Christianity, or any other religon, alone, for those abuses, is very ignorant and short sighted. Did not Alexander the Great claim to be a demi-god? Weren’t the Roman Emporers considered “gods”? Were they Christian, before Constantine?

    I don’t claim toknow everything, but you obviously lack knowledge in areas that are leading you to make the wrong conclusions, unless you are being deliberartely mislead, or are being deliberately misleading yourself.

  • SirWilhelm

    In comparing your posts with hers, you’re the one that comes across as “willfully ignorant”.

  • SirWilhelm

    Yes, myke, it is, and it wouldn’t take much research on your part to confirm that. Shouldn’t you know all you can about your enemy?

  • Istanbul_chick

    Wow! Bravo SirW!

  • Istanbul_chick

    Kal El, I always love your succinctness. You just don’t pull any punches.

  • Kal_El

    That is how my father raised me. I do not have that disease called political correctness polluting my bloodstream =)

  • metalmassacre101

    i love you istanbul chick. randomly got on here and got side tracked and started reading all the posts. im really impressed with your debating skills and alot of the points you made. i just sat here for like an hour just reading all your arguements. awesome.

  • Istanbul_chick

    Some of my debates, I regret, are just me venting my frustration and spiting poison (and potty mouth) at mohammadans and their dhimmi apologists.

    But, if you learn something about the real islam, then good. My efforts are not wasted.

  • Hellosnackbar

    Dave old chap, although you make some salient points it would appear that you are arguing at cross purposes.
    If your parents survived the cultural revolution then that would place you in the 40 odd age group?
    The violence of the CR is not disimilar from that practised by Mohammedans(extremist dogma where one may not possess a contrary opinion)
    The American constitution is a secular document;but its formulators were of a Judeo/Christian culture and although Jefferson the genius was from that background he nevertheless had the foresite to exclude religion
    because he saw it as restrictive and contrary to his concept of freedom.
    The internal politics of China are very complex due to their massive population and millions of poverty stricken peasants.(all potential revolutionaries).
    I’ve heard that marches of protest number in the thousands every year.
    The irony being that should any competing ideology rear its head it is put down forcefully(Uighurs), probably sensibly;and the Falun gong,probably unfairly.
    Social cohesion in the PROC is in a totally different class to anywhere else.
    I’m optimistic that when they’ve completed their African colonisation program and brought corruption down to manageable levels;at some distant point in the future some form of parliamentary democracy will be established.
    Go to http://www.citizenwarrior.com to read” the terrifying memeplex of Islam” to understand what ambitions the believers have.
    It’s the most concise distillation of the filthy ideology that the monsters of Islam would impose on the world given the opportunity.
    Although I’m against restriction of political thought(as per the US constitution) I see no paradox in vigorously opposing a backward, fascist ideology like Islam(My desire is to be free from that!) insofar as they would restrict me
    according to their supremacist tenets.
    IC has had an almost unique experience with Islam and learned first hand what a ridiculous and evil ideology the believers embrace.
    First hand experience is far more cogent than armchair assessment(from a distance).
    The one thing you have not yet stated is your substantiated opinion on the theme of this blog!
    We would be grateful for that;since it gives us an idea of where you’re coming from.
    Then we can exchange views in the normal way.

  • Hellosnackbar

    Dave old chap, although you make some salient points it would appear that you are arguing at cross purposes.
    If your parents survived the cultural revolution then that would place you in the 40 odd age group?
    The violence of the CR is not disimilar from that practised by Mohammedans(extremist dogma where one may not possess a contrary opinion)
    The American constitution is a secular document;but its formulators were of a Judeo/Christian culture and although Jefferson the genius was from that background he nevertheless had the foresite to exclude religion
    because he saw it as restrictive and contrary to his concept of freedom.
    The internal politics of China are very complex due to their massive population and millions of poverty stricken peasants.(all potential revolutionaries).
    I’ve heard that marches of protest number in the thousands every year.
    The irony being that should any competing ideology rear its head it is put down forcefully(Uighurs), probably sensibly;and the Falun gong,probably unfairly.
    Social cohesion in the PROC is in a totally different class to anywhere else.
    I’m optimistic that when they’ve completed their African colonisation program and brought corruption down to manageable levels;at some distant point in the future some form of parliamentary democracy will be established.
    Go to http://www.citizenwarrior.com to read” the terrifying memeplex of Islam” to understand what ambitions the believers have.
    It’s the most concise distillation of the filthy ideology that the monsters of Islam would impose on the world given the opportunity.
    Although I’m against restriction of political thought(as per the US constitution) I see no paradox in vigorously opposing a backward, fascist ideology like Islam(My desire is to be free from that!) insofar as they would restrict me
    according to their supremacist tenets.
    IC has had an almost unique experience with Islam and learned first hand what a ridiculous and evil ideology the believers embrace.
    First hand experience is far more cogent than armchair assessment(from a distance).
    The one thing you have not yet stated is your substantiated opinion on the theme of this blog!
    We would be grateful for that;since it gives us an idea of where you’re coming from.
    Then we can exchange views in the normal way.

  • Ted

    Reply to Tcn 14000
    – too bad you apparently have not read the New Testiment of the Bible – Jesus created a new covenant and gave followers only two commandments – Love God with all your heart, body and soul – and – love your neighbor as yourself. No where does Jesus give any hit of killing unbelievers – quite the contrary – He says to pray for them and love them. Remember what Jesus said on the cross – “forgive them, for the know not what they do.” He did NOT SAY – go out and kill all the unbelievers, pagans, or infidels – like the language of the Qur’an – Oh, I forgot, the followers of the Qur’an don’t believe Jesus was crucified on the cross – Oh, well.
    Try attempting to find your supporting passages in the New Testiment. Good Luck

  • Kal_El

    That right there is the major difference between Jesus and Muhamhead. =)

  • SociProfessor

    These were the old testament. We now have the new testament which teaches opposite of that because Christ came and died for our sins. We now are taught love and peace.

  • Alex

    While I do agree with the above article, I must disagree with the posters who are saying that the constitution and bill of rights are based on Judeo-Christian laws. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were primarily (as in near-exclusively) influenced by the Western Enlightenment (which is not a Christian movement). The only points that one could say are similar to Christian teachings would be things like prescriptions against murder and stealing, but these are just common sense teachings dating as far back as Mahurabi. So anyone saying that the constitution is based on the Code of Mahurabi would have just as much weight to his claims, maybe a bit more, than those saying that it is based on Judeo-Christian laws.

  • Stix_ii

    Pathetic. Here you are criticising religions for being violent and in the next sentence call for the slaughter of innocent men, women, and children. You are no better then all the extremists of all religions.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B3HY4FGSY2RFHBBFNZZ2JSZL3Y daddy

    the difference is I see more beheadings and people getting their hands cut off, then I see christians killing non virgins… IMO

  • True007

    Picked up from another forum:

    Mohammad: Quotes from the the prophet

    Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
    Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
    Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
    Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
    Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”
    Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
    Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
    Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”
    Qur’an:9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”
    Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”
    Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
    Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
    Ishaq:326 “Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth.”
    Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’ So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A Little work, but a great reward.’”
    Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.’”
    Muslim:C34B20N4668 “The Messenger said: ‘Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights.”
    Qur’an:9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”
    Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
    Qur’an:8:72 “Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”
    Muslim:C9B1N31 “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought.”
    Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.’”
    Qur’an:8:73 “The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah’s religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise).”
    Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”
    Qur’an:48:16 “Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: ‘You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture.”
    Qur’an:48:22 “If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah.”
    Qur’an:47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”
    Qur’an:47:31 “And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters.”
    Tabari VI:138 “Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting.”
    Tabari VI:139 “Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse ‘And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.’”
    Qur’an:9:19 “Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah’s Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah.”
    Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”
    Qur’an:5:94 “Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment.”
    Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”
    Tabari IX:22 “The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly.”
    Tabari IX:25 “By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta’if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant.”
    Tabari IX:82 “The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them.”
    Tabari IX:88 “Abdallah Azdi came to the Messenger, embraced Islam, and became a good Muslim. Allah’s Apostle invested Azdi with the authority over those who had surrendered and ordered him to fight the infidels from the tribes of Yemen. Azdi left with an army by the Messenger’s command. The Muslims besieged them for a month. Then they withdrew, setting a trap. When the Yemenites went in pursuit, Azdi was able to inflict a heavy loss on them.”
    Ishaq:530 “Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends.”
    Muslim:C9B1N29 “Command For Fighting Against People So Long As They Do Not Profess That There Is No Ilah (God) But Allah And Muhammad Is His Messenger: When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates [rejected Islam]. Abu Bakr said: ‘I will definitely fight against anyone who stops paying the Zakat tax, for it is an obligation. I will fight against them even to secure the cord used for hobbling the feet of a camel which they used to pay if they withhold it now.’ Allah had justified fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat.”
    Muslim:C9B1N33 “The Prophet said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.’”
    Muslim:C10B1N176 “Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: ‘There is no god but Allah,’ but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: ‘Did he profess “There is no god but Allah,” and even then you killed him?’ I said: ‘He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.’ The Prophet said: ‘Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?’”
    Muslim:C20B1N4597 “The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: ‘There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.’”
    Muslim:C28B20N4628 “Allah has undertaken to provide for one who leaves his home to fight for His Cause and to affirm the truth of His word; Allah will either admit him to Paradise or will bring him back home with his reward and booty.”
    Muslim:C28B20N4629 “The Messenger said: ‘One who is wounded in the Way of Allah—and Allah knows best who is wounded in His Way—will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of its discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.’”
    Muslim:C34B20N4652-3 “The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: ‘Who is the best of men?’ He replied: ‘A man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah’s Cause.’”
    Muslim:C42B20N4684 “A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: ‘Messenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?’ The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.’”
    Muslim:C53B20N4717 “The Prophet said: ‘This religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.’”
    Bukhari:V5B59N288 “I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, ‘We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.’ I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him.”
    Bukhari:V5B59N290 “The believers who did not join the Ghazwa [Islamic raid or invasion] and those who fought are not equal in reward.”
    Qur’an:2:193 “Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.”
    Qur’an:2:217 “They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: ‘Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause have the hope of Allah’s
    mercy.”
    Qur’an:2:244 “Fight in Allah’s Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all.”

  • SirWilhelm

    Out of all of that, I think this is the most important: Muslim:C34B20N4668 “The Messenger said: ‘Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights.” because it is the evidence that there can be no “moderates” in Islam.

  • Anonymous

    Here is a link for sahih(reliable) hadeeth Muslim:

    http://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/001_smt.html

    the letter and number codes above such as C10B1N176 mean Chapter/Book/Number.

    Bukhari and Muslim are the two most widely used and quoted hadeeths among islamic scholars and schools of jurisprudence.

    The link I provided should give you some interesting reading material for the weekend.

  • Anonymous

    And on another interesting note, several years ago a group of Turkish scholars endeavored to “prune” the hadeeths and sunnah. I’m sure their intention was to paint a more favorable light on mo the molestor and his manifesto for money, power and pussy.

    There was such an outcry from the “innocent, moderate” muhammadan masses that the government put the kibosh on the project.

  • Jlmeal

    pre-emptive strikes, door to door is the only way to kill off these scum, pediphile muhammud following swine eating dogs. 

  • Dr. Ron Wilcoxson

    You obviously missed the point – all the scriptures you quoted were Old Testament passages.  ”Testament” means agreement.  The ”old agreement” God made with humanity was based upon what needed to happen in order for the Messiah to come and bring full redemption for all people.  The New Testament never tells Christians to perpetrate any kind of violence upon anyone.  Instead, we are give our lives in the pursuit of helping people – even those who hate us.  We’re to turn the other cheek if attacked.  We’re to “think of others more highly than ourselves” and to consistently try to show the love of Christ to everyone.  Read the new agreement which is based upon Jesus’ sacrifice for all of us and the transformation that occurs when anyone places their trust in Him.  Then quote (in context) any New Testament scriptures to prove your point. 

  • Anonymous

     You’ll never get the mohammadans to understand that argument because they believe the Bible was “changed.”

    Of course, getting them to clarify how, when and by whom is an exercise in futility. What changes they allege change from audience to audience or situation to situation.

    It’s very much like the whole hijab/slave rag deal. It’s “only cultural and not in quraan” if their audience is kaffr they’re trying to convince that they are “modern, moderate and flexible” but it’s “an essential part of our religious practice” if they are avoiding security, pressing for sharia in secular non-mohammadan countries or suing a school or place of business.

    I think the Christians should say “okay, you’re right, the Bible has been changed. Jesus did not turn the other cheek, he went all Rambo/Chuck Norris on his enemies and told us to do the same.”

  • JEWHAWK

    To Dave B:
    In order to call Istambul_chick “ignorant”, you must be as clever (or more) as someone likely to receive a Nobel Prize.
    Are you ?

    I guess not. 

  • JEWHAWK

    “ im really impressed with your debating skills and alot of the points you made”

    That’s exactly what I think. She’s brilliant…and a very strong reason to keep following “Infidels are Cool”.
    Some, actually many of her posts are simply OFF THE CHARTS !!

  • JEWHAWK

    “ im really impressed with your debating skills and alot of the points you made”

    That’s exactly what I think. She’s brilliant…and a very strong reason to keep following “Infidels are Cool”.
    Some, actually many of her posts are simply OFF THE CHARTS !!

  • Gaye

    Istanbul_chick,in so much here you are so very right.. It
    worries me though you hatred towards Christians, if it were not for Christians
    we would not have welfare, hospitals, education, our system of democracy etc..
    and yes there are many stupid people who call themselves Christians, and as in
    other clubs the numbers of stupid ones are growing, but what these people say
    are not necessary what the bible says.. God does not hate fags and no where in
    the bible does it say that, it does say however that it is wrong to do that as
    it says that it is wrong to steal, commit adultery, murder, etc, and you find
    that with all that the Bible is against there are consequences.. Eg, with
    homosexuality, medical reports say that their life span is only 50 and
    heterosexuals is 70.. medical journals also report that since the push to accept
    homosexuality is paramount in our societies that disease amongst homosexuals has
    risen horrendously, and is then passed to heterosexuals via bi-sexual.. read
    just this one, ‘On The Unhealthy Homosexual
    Lifestyle”… Medical researchers have known for many years that the
    “homosexual lifestyle” is a disease-ridden
    lifestyle. (The fact that the dominant liberal media dont tell us… Murder
    speaks for itself, adultery causes hurts and distrust amongst couples and when
    the marriage breaks up the children are very much affected. It has now been
    proven that if people have many partners that they are less likely to settle
    down to one partner, and that they are more likely to get sexual diseases.. And
    yes a woman has the right to do with her own body what she wants, but not
    someone else’s body.. the baby is not her body..
    And I also agree with you that Christians have a
    miss guided tolerance, which I thinks comes about because they do not understand
    that others are happy doing evil.. that just does not compute in their minds..
    and as for the freedoms that Liberals are working so hard to destroy, they come
    mainly from the principals of the bible..
    Instanbul, Christians are not perfect, thank God
    for that, but one thing you do perhaps not know is that most of the things that
    the Jews and Christians were told not to do, or were told to do in the
    Bible, science has now found that are for generally for a medical reason. Like
    the washing of hands after going to the toilet, touching the dead, sick etc, it
    is only recently that women were dying because the health care person was going
    from a sick or dying person to a women giving birth and passing the bacteria or
    what ever onto her.. Jews were told to not eat certain fish/meats, and they have
    only in the last few years discovered that all these are scavengers so carried
    many diseases, flukes etc.. Jews were blamed for the black plague because very
    few of them got sick, but they didn’t get sick because they have a stringent
    requirements set down in the bible for washing their hands.. Strange how God
    knew these things 5000 years ago eh, yet we are only now discovering
    them..

  • Gaye

    You are so right Ron, and in the old Testament and from what I can gather there was only a very few times in which they were told to destroy other people and generally because they sacrificed their children to gods, or were continually trying to kill Gods people.. correct me if I am wrong..  Love is the way of Christians although unfortunately so many do not do it.. The Bible says that they were known because of the love that they had one for another.. but from what I have read, the quran talks of love also but not to each other, only to Mohammad and Allah, these poor people never know if they are good enough to get into paradise and the only assured way is to be killed while killing infidels. . 

  • Gaye

    Although I of course dont agree with everything you say, but so far from what I have read, I agree almost 90% of the time..

    In regards the Talmud and Bible being changed, or amended you will find that although there are things which of coure perhaps lost meaning when translated, that they discovered that the Old King James bible was not too different from the Dead sea Scrolls that they found a few years ago.. pretty good for all those years eh..

    Istanbul_ chick, you perhaps know that Muslims are not allowed to lie UNLESS, it is to the infidels, in times of war, for the cause of allah, to their wives, etc, as long as they do not mean it in their hearts, so in other words they can lie all the time, just as Mohammad did…. and as we are non believers (thus infidels) and they consider that we are therefore evil that they must get rid of the evil in the world, it means that they are then always at war with us regardless of if we are living in peace with them or not, and as it is all for the cause of allah, then we can be lied to at the drop of a hat. So when the time is right and they are called they are ordered to go to war against us.. 
    I understand that they want to get rid of evil out of the world, we all would like that, but unlike islam, we do not set about killing those different to us, When people realise that they are doing wrong for themselves then their change in their lives comes from their hearts but if they are forced to be good as with Islam then the change is because of fear of being killed by Muslims.. There is just as much evil in Islam, it is just different..

  • Anonymous

     WTF are you on about?

    I never said I hated Christianity or Christians. In fact, that post was showing how clear Biblical texts were compared to the very ambiguous text of mein kuranmpf.

    I do, however, hate arseholes like you who try to “prove” that homosexuality is “wrong.”
     
    When yous start that crap you become as dangerous as the kuranimals and I have the same amount of VIOLENT contempt for you as I usually reserve for them.

  • SirWilhelm

    What’s so remarkable about a supposedly all-knowing God, knowing about disease, and how it’s transmitted? We teach our people the rules of hygiene today, because we are all too aware of how diseases are transmitted. Another question might be, why didn’t God explain what causes disease and how it’s transmitted? If he had, maybe his followers would have been even more diligent about their hygiene?  And if the ”homosexual lifestyle” is a ”disease ridden” lifestyle, why didn’t God warn his followers about that? And why do today’s homosexuals, try to push their lifestyles, without mentioning that problem with disease? And I have problems with homosexuals that try and recruit children, and I see their push for homosexual marriage to be an element of that.

  • Gaye

    Istanbul_chick, don’t get your knickers in a twist…  if you looked at other remarkes I made, you will see that your comments have a lot of support from me.. 
     I dont have to prove that homosexuality is wrong Istanbul_chick, medical science has proven that disease is a bedfellow of homosexuals, and that their life span is only 50 years where as ours is said to be 70, of course some of both groups live longer or less.. 
    I am not being dangerous, their act is dangerous.. look up… On The Unhealthy Homosexual Lifestyle… it is a medical report..
    Can you really tell me that men using their tongues to lick around the anus is healthy, it is called rimming.. or that so many end up by having to have operations to tighten the anus as it becomes so loose that faeces leak out, other wise they have to wear period pads.. just take a look at this sit and many others like it to see.. so it is not hate speech against homosexuals it is fact..  we do not hate smokers but we warn them of the health associated in smoking, and to not do so would be criminal…
    EG.. For example, one 1982 study mentioned in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that the anal cancer rate for homosexuals is way above normal, maybe as high as 50 times normal.1 And a 1997 New England Journal of Medicine study again drew attention to the “strong association between anal cancer and male homosexual contact.”.  would we not be hateful if we did not warn.. one would have to wonder why the media is not warning eh..

    Another study found that anorectal sepsis, a potentially toxic bacterial infection, is 4 times more common in homosexual than heterosexual men.   Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, “Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities” .
    •Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, “30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals.
    These diseases are passed to the hetrosexuals via bi-sexuals.. but this site is meant to be on Sharia law.. so lets say no more on this..
     

  • faith defender

    that may be ture in Judaism. but where did Jesus said to do thoses things. Jesus Christ = CHRISTians. you ca’t spell christian with out Christ. learn the religion before you post something like this. 1 last question show where Jesus said to a soldier to put down his wempon and not to defend himself?

  • faith defender

    weapon

  • SirWilhelm

    At this point Judas gives Jesus a kiss, as a pre-arranged sign to those that had accompanied Judas as to who Jesus was.[2][3] Having been identified, the crowd arrests Jesus, although one of Jesus’ disciples tries to stop them by using a sword to cut off the ear of one of the men in the crowd.[2][3] The Gospel of John specifies that it had been Simon Peter who had cut off the ear of Malchus, a servant of Caiaphas, the high priest.[2][3] Luke adds that Jesus healed the wound. John, Matthew, and Luke state that Jesus criticized the violent act, insisting that they do not resist Jesus’ arrest. In Matthew, Jesus makes the well known statement: all who live by the sword, shall die by the sword.[2][3]

  • SirWilhelm

    Many pacifists base their beliefs on the Commandment “Thou shall not kill”. It turns out that “kill” is most likely mistranslated, although, as with all translations, it’s open to debate. A better translation is probably “Thou shall not murder”, meaning that killing the defenseless is wrong, but, killing in self defense is not. There are examples of Jehovah giving orders that violate His own commandment, but then, a “god” can do what He wants, can’t He? As for Jesus statement, what it really says to those that are considering taking up the sword, is that there are consequences, logical in a cause and effect, free will, universe.

  • THE SEEKER 21

    Muhammad is just one of many FALSE CHRISTS we have been warned about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lenda-Beck/1202081118 Lenda Beck

    Well gald we are not under the old covenant Jesus said he made a new covenant after his death,,, the only law we are under is love thy neighbor as thy self and to Love the Lord our God… that fufills the law…. I am so happy….. I Love God And my neighbors… Even the hatefullone … bake en a pie,,, God says when we love the unlovely it is like healing coles of fire on their heads…. that is God way not the worlds

  • ReapWhatYouSow

    >I dont have to prove that homosexuality is wrong Istanbul_chick, medical science has proven that disease is a bedfellow of homosexuals
    Die in a fire you cunt.

  • Anonymous

     No, medical science has not proven that. Sexually transmitted diseases are just as rampant in the heterosexual sector. In some countries it is HIGHER in the heterosexual sector due to polygamous and unfaithful male heterosexuals. I bet you with your ignorance about homosexuality and heterosexuality have spread more than your fair share of stds. Disease is a “bedfellow” of all groups. Disease does not discriminate unlike you believers in bronze age fairy tales.

    YOu should go join the kuranimals. They could always use a few more hateful and ignorant zombies  in their ranks. Ditch Jesus the Jewish hippy and you might have a chance at becoming the next madhi, inshallah!

    Moron.

  • Cornell_sean

    omg you are amazing

  • IRAQI_MUSLIM

    I suggest you purchase a Quran and read it for yourself, don’t listen to the opinions of someone who clearly holds negative feelings towards the religion, otherwise your entire conclusion of something is being based on somebody else’s personal beliefs. Islam doesn’t teach the above, religious war is of 3 kinds; with yourself, with the devil, and with the people who attack us. Now considering america ‘this great and peaceful land of yours’ killed more Iraqis in 4 years than Saddam Hussein did in 35 years of leadership, or stories of drunken American soldiers in Afghanistan shooting down a whole village of innocent poor people for sport, if I were you consider all the facts before opening your mouth. You have just insulted my religion, my holy book and i do not see it fit to ‘kill/slaughter/behead you’ and as you so nicely put it your on the hit list for infidels. The words you see above have been taken way out of context as religious war is not permitted unless it is defending Islam being under attack, we never force. Yet Iraqi people, or afghans didn’t attack you, didn’t force anything upon you yet your ‘once great country started wars with both countries due to the backing of uneducated sheep such as yourself. I won’t kill you, i do not even wish death upon you, the only thing i wish for and that I will pray for is that you come to your senses, wake up, and use your own brain to research and fall in love with a religion that so many have before you. May you be guided back to the right Inshallah

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, hajji, but you really should practice what you preach. As is the case always with you muslim supremacists you distort facts and make wild aqcusations without proof. There has been no verifiable proof as to how many of your co-cultists/country men have been killed by American forces. The numbers all of you inherent liats seem preposterously huge compared to population statistics. And your little boo hoo story about a whole village being kiling by soldiers for sport is as believable as the holly weirdo movie one of your co-cultists opened fire on a bus load of US Air Force personnel in Germany over. Which your co-cultists touted as “proof” of atrocities. Just so much more bullshit from the most egregious liars on the planet. Maybe second most egregious, Western libarals are inherent liars as well. As for reading mein kuranmpf and finding the beauty..LOL! I have four copies in 3 different languages and I just don’t find the beauty in allah the rageaholic’s rants about who he hates. Never will. I don’t find beauty in poorly plagerized Zoastrian, Jewish, and Christian texts. I will nver find beauty or spirituality in bronze age arab superstitions. Oh yeah, another thing: islamspeak is something us kafir are becoming wise too. For example the word attack. Sure, you’re right in that mein kuranmpf says to only kil those who attack you. What you fail to volunteer is in the twisted minds and language of you muslmaniacs is that attack is simply not agreeing with you. Attack is criticism of you and your cult or you putrid profit. Attack is not submitting. That is made clear by allah the rageaholic. I would suggest that you “use your brain to research” but as your twisted little mind has been atrophied by that vile little bronze age male arab power cult, that task is forever out of your reach. Instead I anxiously await the day that the entire world admits what you are and afford you no respect but only derision and contempt as they do those other cults called nazism and the kkk.

  • Beejj

    You are a muslim. You are dross; scum. You have no claims to humanity. You are a bilght; an insult to reason and intelligence. You live in an imaginary world and proudly claim to love death more than human beings love life. You are the vilest entity the planet has seen. You are filth. You are a disease. You are beneath contempt. You are a disgrace. You are to be loathed and despised and eradicated.

  • B+

    Regarding: ”
    (I refused to give my vote to the most vehement anti-abortionist).” I think you meant pro-abortionist. Obama was the only Senator that would not back down on late-term, partial-birth, or after birth killing of failed abortions (killing a child that lived through an abortion) — he wanted them dead, no matter what.

  • Anonymous

    You really should read all of a post before responding. I was not talking about Obama being anti-abortionist.

    “… I am not a conservative. I am also not ashamed to admit that 2008 was the FIRST time I DID NOT cast my vote for the democratic niominee and last year I voted almost all republican (I refused to give my vote to the most vehement anti-abortionist).” Since when is the Obamanation a republican?

    If you were really paying attention you would have noted that I made that post 2 years ago. 2010. I was talking about State and local elections. Not the presidential election.

    I am absolutely pro abortion. I was talking about the one republican candidate in my state I didn’t vote for because he was so anti-abortion he was against abortion in cases of rape and incest. I made clear in the rest of my post that I am absolutely pro-abortion. Having volunteered for NARAL for more than 2 decades I know that the majority of women seeking abortions are stupid liberal women. I’m sick of paying for stupid liberal women to breed more stupid liberals. I am beyond sick to death of paying for the clothing, feeding, housing, and schooling of stupid liberal entitlement whores’ stupid entitlement whore children. I stated, in the same post, that I had always voted democratic because I was pro-abortion and and didn’t care about the other issues.

    I know where the Obmanation stands on abortion. However, since the Manchurian candidate reared his ugly head in 2008 I realized abortion was not the most important issue and started to vote republican.

  • TheKnight

    I’ve done my own reading on the Koran and let me tell you, in what little I’ve read it suggests more violence than anything I’ve ever read in my life. Lets compare, there are violent promoting parts to the old testament Christian bible, but the old testament is no long followed which many people believe it is and use it as a means of claiming Christians are insane fools who want to kill everyone. The Koran is fully followed in today’s world with no parts left untouched. The way the verses are written leaves most of them open to suggestion or are plainly constructed to lead directly to violence in the name of Allah. I can give numerous quotes as to what I am explaining as well. Well over a hundred if you really want me too.

  • TheKnight

    You really don’t pay attention do you? The Old Testament is no longer followed, as of about two thousand years ago. Everything from the old testament is there for learning and reflection. Don’t pull the whole “Yeah there for learning how to kill and murder.” act either. You know what I mean and you know better.

  • TheKnight

    IDK how many people here are actually of the Christian Faith, but you sir clearly cannot be of them after that remark. What does God say anyway? Let the wicked be wicked, love everyone no matter what? The list goes onward. No one is perfect, but if you can’t try to follow these for everyone then you cannot claim Christianity.

  • Anonymous

    All hail the holy and righteous Christians who know their own book so well as to declare that someone else’s religion is riddled with villainy and evil. But, who can either never recall the “evil” that exists in their own book, or have multiple explanations and excuses to forgive their own gross and reviled verses that generally encourage, if not command, much the same types of atrocities that those Christians say someone else’s religion is guilty of.
    Case in point:
    The Bible wants us to kill. For example, the first commandment says, “Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.” What are we supposed to do with everyone who doesn’t believe in God? We are supposed to Kill them.

    Deuteronomy chapter 17 says that we are supposed to stone non-believers to death.

    If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky… Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. – Deut 17:2-7
    In 2 Chronicles 15:12-13:
    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. – 2 Chron 15:12-13
    Deuteronomy 13:13-19:
    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases…you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.Deuteronomy 13:7-12:
    If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods …do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. – Deut 13:7-12What if you take the name of the lord in vain? Leviticus chapter 24 verse 16 says:
    Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. – Lev 24:16The Bible is quite clear. We must kill everyone who does not believe in God. There are approximately 30 million people in America who do not believe in any God. There are tens of million more who believe in gods other than the God of the Bible. The Bible commands that we kill them all.
    And keep in mind that the word of the Lord lasts forever, and the law of the lord is perfect.
    Think of this as a Christian Jihad. The idea of killing tens of millions of people because they don’t believe in God is repulsive.
    Example 3
    If you curse your father and mother you are to be killed:
    All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. – Leviticus 20:9
    Example 4
    If you commit adultery you are to be killed:
    If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife – with the wife of his neighbor – both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. – Leviticus 20:10
    Example 5
    If you happen to be homosexual you are to be killed.
    If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death. – Leviticus 20:13So let’s review: This Christian God that you say is the “True God” and that you say is the opposite of the “devil inspired” writings of the Quran is so free of evil and harm and wrong does, in fact, command us to kill, afterall. This Christian God that you say is free of violence actually goes so far as to command Christians (who, historically speaking have been travelling this Earth since time immemorial, trying to carry out these commands) to kill….
    Everyone who works on the SabbathEveryone who does not believe in GodAnyone who curses father or motherEveryone who commits adulteryEveryone who happens to be Homosexual
    According to the Bible, we need to kill tens of millions of people, in fact. Well thank God, it is indeed, ONLY the Christian nations who have even managed to muster up the science and technology to make admirable attempts at just these very commands! But keep pointing fingers at muslims, it’s quite an effective distraction technique, all the while, Christians go on walking around carrying a book that demands the death of tens of millions of people ..

    Example 6 Deuteronomy chapter 21:If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall … say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. – Deut 21
    Example 7In Matthew 18 verses 7 through 9, Jesus speaks:If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. – Matthew 18:7-9
    Example 8
    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. – Isaiah 13
    Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. – Hosea 13
    Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. – Numbers 31
    Keep pointing fingers at muslims, you are pointing 3 more back at yourselves, you unholy Christians (or whatever else you might happen to fancy as a label)Racism, sexism and bigotry gallore, death on page after page of a book that you swear is much better, much more righteous, much more holy, much more true than that which is known as The Quran. This is your version of a HOLY book?

  • Anonymous

    More violence than anything you have ever read in your life? So now you confess to being not much of a reader. When it comes to violence, have you even read the Bible? {I shouldn’t even ask, for I know the answer is negative and even still I know you will avow that I am wrong and incorrect}.

    Case in point:

    If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky… Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. – Deut 17:2-7
    In 2 Chronicles 15:12-13:
    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. – 2 Chron 15:12-13
    Deuteronomy 13:13-19:
    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases…you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.Deuteronomy 13:7-12:
    If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods …do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. – Deut 13:7-12What if you take the name of the lord in vain? Leviticus chapter 24 verse 16 says:
    Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. – Lev 24:16

    Example 3

    All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. – Leviticus 20:9
    Example 4

    If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife – with the wife of his neighbor – both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. – Leviticus 20:10
    Example 5

    If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death. – Leviticus 20:13
    Example 6

    Deuteronomy chapter 21:If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall … say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. – Deut 21
    Example 7In Matthew 18 verses 7 through 9, Jesus speaks:If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. – Matthew 18:7-9
    Example 8
    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. – Isaiah 13
    Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. – Hosea 13
    Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. – Numbers 31
    This is your HOLY book that has no sense of violence that you say you have seen in The Quran? I would think you haven’t read much of the Bible, then.

  • Anonymous

    You are by far the worse knuckle dragging, cognitively dissassociated mouth breather to hit IAC in a while. YOu’re quoting from the Old Testament. You are either purposefully or ignorantly disregarding that Jewish hippy known as Jesus who was the seal of the covenant of the old testament. Meaning: those laws you’re quoting (cutting and pasting from muslim supremacist site) were made defunct. Moreover, you’d be hard pressed to find any schools of Christian or Jewish jurisprudence that base binding laws on what you’ve quoted. Nor would you have any luck finding cases of MOBS of screaming Christians metting out those punishments with regular frequency. Unlike in the lands of the folks who STILL call tools like you ABD. As an atheist I’m less offended by Christian “racism” than I am by muslim supremacist racism. I wonder when we’ll be seeing yet another newsflash of muslim supremacist convert getting busted in attempted terrorism? I’ll be looking for your ugly mug in cuffs.

  • SirWilhelm

    Just your thinking on the First Commandment, shows how wrong you are. The word “Thou” refers to you, as an individual. He’s commanding you to have no other God before you. No where does it say, or even imply, that you should kill others that don’t follow the commandment. And the God of the Bible was the God of His Chosen People. He was commanding each of them to recognize Him as their God, as opposed to those of the peoples that were not chosen. The God of the Bible promised His People a Land to call their own, and He gave it to them. He never commanded them to conquer any other land, after that. Unlike Islam, which conquered many lands, including the Holy Land, where some of the Chosen still lived. And now that descendents of the Chosen People have returned it, and claimed it as their own, in the same way they claimed it in the first place, Islam refuses to recognize that claim. If Allah is the same god as the Bible’s, why would he dispute the claim of the decendents of His Chosen People? Judaism and Christianity have learned to reconcile the teachings of the Bible with modern times, Islam still tries to live with the teachings of 1400 years ago, and impose them on the world.

  • anonymous

    how can you claim that 3rd world countries are savages yet support the killing of young developing beings

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t say third world countries are savages. India, while polluted is quite lovely as the native non-muslim Indians.
    I’ve said, more than once, and will say again that MUSLIMS, whether they are born in the third world or the West are savages because they believe in and perpetuate a savage ideology dreamed up by a savage flim flam man.
    You can’t kill something that doesn’t think, doesn’t have an iota of self.
    Also the broads who have abortions are nine times out of 10 liberal whores who support mass savage immigration and welfare for other whores who are sucking my tax dollars dry to feed their spawn. Liberal whores breed more liberal whores. Nor would I ever go so far as to call liberals “beings.”
    So the same philosophy I have about killing tasty and dangerous animals (they are hazardous to my health) applies to supporting abortions (the children not born are no longer taxing on my resources and thus no longer hazardous to my health)

  • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

    i thought about how stupid this looks when you post it and how utterly out of context you took things. yeah i laughed out loud at your “freedom of religion” apparrently it makes reading comprehension go way down.

  • Anonymous

    This seems to be a site for ranting raving lunatics

  • hellosnackbar

    You are just one of those cocky yet ignorant fools who pops up makes a desultory remark then disappears.
    You’re clearly lacking any reason based opinion.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, I haven’t disappeared. If you actually read the posts here you would know what I mean. I have not been able to detect any reason or knowledge based post here. If you have one of your own or can find one posted by someone else do make me aware of it. Prove that you can make more than impertinent remarks and I promise to offer a grovelling apology. Fair dos?

  • Anonymous

    What utter rot. Judaeo -Christian belief had nothing to do with the development of democracy though it had much to do with fascism and racism. The key lay with the reluctance in islam to recognise monarchy and the divine right of kings along with its advocacy of equality of man (in its pre-women’s lib sense). These ideas travelled to Europe & gave rise to the age of enlightenment and therefrom to democracy. Result: US democracy to which France though a monarchy at the time acted as the midwife.

  • hellosnackbar

    Utter Rot??
    Yes the enlightenment and the industrial revolution plus the need for order evolved in Europe and from it a movement to embrace democracy.
    However you slaves of Allah want a totalitarian theocracy according to Sharia.
    And you have the bare faced cheek to escape from your cultural hovels come to civilised countries and make a bid for power for your death cult.
    Islam is a totalitarian fascist cult which demands death to those who oppose it.
    Well I believe that sooner or later there will be a revolution of free opinion confining Islam,the Koranus,and Sharia to be the subject of black mockery.
    Dump Islam and discover real life!

  • http://www.facebook.com/fidel.zaid Fidel Zaid

    ok i will tell you animal you try to Writes verses from you and compose until proven false claim Bugger said there was killed in the Koran

    And I’ll tell you this is not the Gospel and can not write what replace you, stupid

    God promised to preserve the Quran and that no one can distort

    You Petty and I will answer you

    Do not write verses from mind Dear dreaded this wedding and not .l humans writes what it wants

    This Web site to copy him do not write again stupidities have

    http://quran.com

    Copy and paste it and do not distort, but I am going to take a lawsuit against you for fraud and abuse

    Idiot charlatan

  • jim bob

    Oh glory be to those who miss quote religious text in an inflammatory manner. What you seem to fail to mention in several of those quotes is that they refer to times of war and that those who are ATTACKED by unbelievers should lash out in retaliation. Also please consider the fact that religious texts were written over TWO THOUSAND years ago in a time where war was all but unheard of, so before you go misquoting these things as a means to justify further injustices from your own dam religion why not spend some time thinking about these texts instead of jumping to conclusions about text that is simply an ANCIENT interpretation of moral guidelines in a time where whomever had the biggest stick got to say what was right.

  • Anonymous

    Oh what a crock of crap, “Jim Bob.” It’s obvioulsy really Jihad Boy.

    Times of war and only when attacked by unbelievers. Unfortunately for you and your load of taqiyya, mo the putrid lashed out in aggression and it is recorded in your hadiths for allah the impotent considered a disbelief in his diabolic self as an “attack.”

    mo slaughtered the Banu Qarayzi for their attack of not believing and giving him their gold.

    In fact, all of mo’s “retalitory” attacks were retaliation for not believing in his bullshit.

    Two thousand years ago war was all but unheard of?

    That utter stupidity or out right lie does not deserve a response. However, for the uninitiated I will tell them to again look to the hadiths which chronicle mo’s caravan raids. His highway robbery. Highway robbery, according to you slimy taqiyya slingers was simply the “cultural norm” back then.

    And here your islamic double speak and cognitive dissonace shine through:

    “…about text that is simply an ANCIENT interpretation of moral guidelines in a time where whomever had the biggest stick got to say what was right.”
    You earlier made the egregiously ignorant and false claim that islam was invented at a time when war was unheard of. Now you’re claiming it was invented when war was commonplace “..whomever (sic) had the biggest stick was right.”
    Also is mein kuranmpf the absolute word of your sky monster as you egregiously digusting obfusctors claim or is it simply an “interpretation of moral guidelines”? From whom?
    Moreover, if all your lies are true; the violence in mein kuranmpf is only retalitory and was only for a certain time and people, it’s only a moral interpretation of customs from ’2000 years ago.”, you ASSHOLES absolutely cannot make the claim that mein kuranmpf is “valid for all people for all time.”
    “It was a time of war, it was when war was unheard of. I’m confused. So am I.” Jim Bob aka Jihad Boy.
    Better think your lies through a bit more, Jihad Boy. You stunningly caught yourself in your own lie. Idiot.

  • SirWilhelm

    Muslims are constantly calling for jihad for the slightest provocations, or imagined insults. which puts the lie to their claims of a “religion of peace”. The religious text in question, the one these quotes were taken from, were written crica 1400 years ago, and are considered by believers, to be the unquestionable, infallible, words of Allah. They are used by believers, who call themselves Muslims, t justify their behavior towards non-believers, or infidels. They also claim them as the basis for their culture, and their laws, where sharia law dominates. I have no idea what “further injustices from your own damn religion” refers to. I do know what injustices have been committed by Muslims, such as 9/11/01, and the attack of the American ambassador in Libya, at the diplomatic mission in Behnghazi. on 9/11/12. Aren’t those examples of how Muslim interpretation of “ANCIENT” moral guidelines leads to actions that they believe are right?

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of “idiots and charlatans” quran.com does contain “must read tafsir to understand.”
    Unfortunately for you mobot frauds and charlatans tafsir absolutely supports the kaffirs’ assertations that mein kuranmpf is a violent, misogynist, supremacist prescriptive.
    Tafsir demonstrates what liars you oh so pious muslim supremacist obfuscators are.
    It should be a hoot watching you sue yourself for “fraud and abuse.”
    It’s a good thing you muslim supremacists are overwhelmingly stupid, lazy, and unmotivated as demonstrated by your barely coherent rant.
    If you were intelligent, active, and motivated you would be dangerous.
    Instead you are good subject matter for mocking, ridicule, and parody.

  • Anonymous

    Your pathological vehemence leads me to suspect an unfortunate possibility that you might have been spurned by a Muslim.
    Heaven hath no rage, like love to hatred turned,
    Nor hell a fury, like a woman scorned.

  • Anonymous

    Sexual activity in organisms evolved for the purposes of procreation and to broaden the gene pool. Any activity involving one or more sexual organs that has not the potential to procreate is only pretend sexuality. It is a pantomime – some people may like it while others may find it execrable.

  • Anonymous

    The above are partial quotes.

  • Anonymous

    Right. So married menopausal women who have sex with their husbands are simply having “pretend sex.”
    Your little allahgasm there didn’t address the fact that std rates are higher in heterosexual groups who are “involving their sexual organs for procreation” than in homosexual groups who “involve sexual organs only for pretend sex.”
    Your allahgasm is also patently false in that sexuality evolved solely for the purpose of procreation. That shows glaringly that you are a typical sexually and emotionally retarded mohammadan. Stunted in your growth as a human being by your adherance to a bronze age cult.
    FYI you ignoramus, not all heterosexuals who “involve their sexual organs” for “procreation” are capable of “procreation.” That includes heterosexuals of the animal kingdom.
    The brain is also the largest sexaul organ in the most sucessful primate species on the planet. You have obviously NEVER “involved your sexual organ for procreation” or anything else.

  • Anonymous

    Like the partial quote you halfwits give on 5:32 to omits the qualifier and the conditional?
    No, the “quotes” are complete. Both the quotes from mein quranmpf and tafsir.

  • Anonymous

    Spoken like a true mohammadan! Of course, with your stunted intellects and psychology nothing less but the childish is expected from you.
    My “pathological vehemence” stems from my revulsion to all things racist, supremacist, misogynist, and untruthful.
    islam and mohammadans are the epitome of the above descriptives.
    Therefore, I have never and will never be in a position to be “spurned” by a mohammadan. With your profound observations, my vehement attacks on pedophiles and pedophelia must mean I am a pedophile! Again, you are an absolute moron thanks to your chosen ideology. It makes you all stupid yet you’re all too stupid to see it.
    Let’s use your logic: Your “pathological vehemence” in defending said racist, supremacist, misogynist, and untruthful ideology and it’s adherents leads one to suspect that the only man/woman to ever pay any attention to you was a mohammadan. There is nothing so faithful as an old dog who gets an occasional pat on the head and table scraps.

  • Anonymous

    Not to mention your pathological ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    There is nothing exclusively Judaeo-Christian about (as you write) Judeo/Christian laws. Try www dot infidels dot org : Judaism and Jewish apologetics. Happy reading.

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely brilliant comeback!
    You must have taxed the one braincell shared by the entire ummah to come up with that!
    All of you little jihadis must be exhausted. Now the world doesn’t have to worry about sodomy and murder over blasphemy, forced conversions, rapes, and bombings while all you bronze age barbarians recover from your mental exertion!

  • Anonymous

    I think you are a machine programmed to rant with a very limited vocabulary sufficient only to express unfounded/unjustifiable hatred.

  • Anonymous

    So they Jews you’ve been consistantly attacking with your mohammadan vitriol are now a source for your “facts!” LOL!

    As I am not a Jew, nor a Christian, I have no interest in Jewish apologetics.

    I never said there was anything “exclusive” about Judeo ( oh mashallah you’re a frigging genius!) Christian laws.
    Therefore your attempt to use the works of those you’ve consistantly denigrated to support whatever non point you’re attempting to make is an exercise in mohammadan futility, “logic,” and insanity. Very much like “allah says Christians fabricated and changed the Bible. BUT the Bible has proof of mohammad and islam!”

  • Anonymous

    Yet STILL you haven’t even attempted to refute the provable fact that stds are found in a significantly higher proportion in heterosexual communities than in homsexual communities, which was the point of the post you replied to.
    Ad hominems, and changing the subject do not advance or “win” your argument, despite what the other bearded half wits at the camii tell you.

  • Anonymous

    Not necessary to have more than one brain cell to have a ding dong with you.

  • Anonymous

    The point of my post was to tell you why the sexes evolved. STD is not my line of business. As you had not provided any reputable references there was nothing to refute. In fact most of your statements are not worth refuting for they are plainly the ravings of a sick mind.

  • Anonymous

    Again another well thought out comeback from the ummah!

    You just love those table scraps and pats on the head, Freud!

    The civilized world should expect no more than projection and fantasy as fact from savages who defend terrorists and misogynists who profoundly and “pathologically” misunderstand and abuse the definitions of freedom and equality.

  • Anonymous

    Those brilliant people did not mean much of what they came up with. They thought African-americans were only 60% human and their right to life, liberty and happiness was not inalienable. What is more they, the natives and women were not given a place in the scheme of things. The irony is that they borrowed the phrase ‘we the people’ from the natives

  • Anonymous

    You are not religious. So how come you believe that Israel should be in Palestine? I think you are just trying to pull a fast one.

  • Anonymous

    The entire basis of your point is a fallacy. The “sexes” did not evolve for the sole purpose of procreation. There was no need for me to provide any “reputable references” for my statements of fact as they are universally taught and availabe from “reputable” institutes of higher learning.

    Nor was it necessary for me address, with references, your bronze age assertations about sexual evolution when you brought them up in a discussion about the spread of stds through hetero or homosexual populations.

    It is you and the other believers in bronze age fairy tales who must provide “reputable references” other than my “mein quranmpf/Bible/Zaik/sheik/imam says so because it’s execrable.” Nature certainly does not find the “mixing of sexual organs” among same sex partners repulsive.

    In other words: I am not behooven to sytematically or thoroughly refute your little strawman side trip. Simple statement of fact is sufficient enough.

  • Anonymous

    Barbary pirates were mostly European,

  • Anonymous

    The word, if you are interested in not remaining ignorant, is Muslim.
    Attack jews? who? Me? You must have misunderstood me. Your comprehension is certainly faulty.

  • Anonymous

    I have news for you. As far as can be made out homosexuality is the concern of the discussion. What is the point of people posting comments if you don’t take care to read them properly?
    Anyway I am off. Dont stop spreading ignorance amongst the unsuspecting.

  • SirWilhelm

    Don’t let facts get in your way much, do you?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

  • http://www.facebook.com/ihaqqee Irfan Haqqee

    There is no denying Quran is a book full of contradiction. It also says ” killing of one innocent person is like killing the whole mankind”. The current hatred for other religions and non-belivers fomented by the Clergy of Islam is rooted in the fact the foreign forces are occupying Muslim lands or carrying out drone strikes resulting in the killing of innocent loves apart from those of who are, rightly or wrongly, considered enemies of the West. If West would only learn to protects its borders from within, stop supporting Israel’s occupation with with arms and funds and go back to their own land and carry their military arsenal with them this hatred will die down. Bring do not bring up the issue of 9/11 as justification for the occupation of Muslim land. That would start the whole new debate on its veracity.

  • SirWilhelm

    Muslim lands? Exactly how did so much land, become Muslim land? How conveniently Muslims forget, or overlook, their own conquests which created the Islamic Empire, the remnants of which are the “Muslim” lands you speak of. Most of the original inhabitants of those lands, died defending them, or were given the choice of converting to Islam, or dieing. Some were allowed to survive and remain infidels, so they could pay jizya to their Muslim rulers. At the time of the Muslim conquests, Palestine was a province of Syria which was semi-autonomous under the Romans. Most of the inhabitants were Christian. Which was the root of the Crusades. The Holy Land was holy to Christians too, and they resented the Muslim OCCUPATION of THEIR Holy Land. Islam is supposedly descended from Judaism and Christianity and shares some of the beliefs of the Peoples of the Book, but, in practice, Muslims have no respect for any other religion, or they would be willing to share the Holy Land with those that also consider it holy. The issue of 9/11 is not an issue of occupying Muslim land, it demonstrates the lengths Muslims will go to to further their cause of world conquest and domination, by making war on civilians. That is the real basis for the ancient, and current, hatred of other religions and non-believers, inherent in Islam, the commandment from Allah to conquer, and dominate, the world in his name. For Muslims to claim any other reason is taqqiya, a lie.

  • Echo

    The facts are even Christians, should not be for our constution. Im not Muslim nor am i Christian. So there i take no sides, Christians have slaughtered in the name of Christ, Jews have killed in the name of God, and Muslims have killed in the name of Allah. I far as im concern all three beliefs are evil in their own right. Both the Bible and Koran say its ok to kill if we dont woriship Allah, Christ, or God.

  • SirWilhelm

    I can not figure out what your remarks have to do with Chrisitians not being for our Constitution, but I have to disagree with your remark that “Both the Bible and Koran say it’s ok to kill if we don’t woriship(sic) Allah, Christ, or God.” The Bible, in the Old Testament, which both Christians and Jews use, has the Commandment “Thou shalt not kill.” There’s evidence that “kill” should be translated as “murder”, which would mean killing is allowed in self defense. Either way, the Bible does not advocate killing those that don’t worship God or Christ. The Koran does advocate killing those that don’t worship Allah, or, forcing them to pay the jizyah. I belong to no religion. If you are not Muslim or Christian, you should be objective enough to see that, too.

  • hellosnackbar

    A wonderful comprehensive dissection of omgamuslim’s pathetic unempirical statement ; obviously based on his inculcated belief in the dogmatic drivel of Islam.
    His reply (not to mention your pathological ignorance) is a paradigm of a Strawman statement of logical fallacy!
    It has never occurred to him/her that the information that sacerdotal Islamic arseholes have instilled in him/her is in reality a pile of metaphorical faeces.
    Here’s a question for you omgamuslim:
    Could you explain to us how the positive contribution that Islam makes outweighs
    the disadvantages of allowing it’s prurient ideology to establish itself amongst us?

  • hellosnackbar

    As an observer your arguments are desultory drivel omgamuslim.
    If you can be bothered read IC’s archive here,
    She is an articulate ,intelligent,well educated former Muslim convert who suddenly
    revised her conversion due to clarity of thought and acquired disgust at the faeces that masquerades as a religion.
    Read her account of “the vagina virgins”( a story I still giggle at).
    Your attempted refutation demonstrates that your intellect is way below average or jaundiced due to your faith on imaginary Allah and malevolent Mo.
    Here’s a question : If IC and myself stood on a box in Pakiland and iterated our disgust at Islamic barbarism would we survive?
    That of course is a rhetorical question(that means we know the answer to the question;as I suspect you’re a halfwit with limited education)
    Yes we would die ! As Islamofascists don’t believe in free speech.

  • hellosnackbar

    Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
    Don’t make inaccurate quotes.
    It confirms your lack of education due to your slavery to imaginary Allah.

  • Anonymous

    What Islamic barbarism? Muslims saved the jews from the crusaders and sheltered them through the centuries.
    Images of lynchings and the burning crosses on the church lawns with men, women and children cowering in the corner haven’t quite faded from memory yet. With those in mind Muslims can’t even be considered as also rans in the barbarity stakes, thank you.
    As for IC a sense of chivalry prevents me from entering into a discussion about her with you and modesty forbids me to boast about my education.

  • Anonymous

    No, agenda is the plural form.

  • hellosnackbar

    Whether educated or not ;belief in imaginary Allah and malevolent Madhound
    is a de facto admission of inculcated stupidity.
    Your nauseating,fascist,supremacist egregious dogma is without doubt empirically seditious in civilised western countries.
    Tell me truthfully why are you in the West ; because the fact that you are is a clear admission of the failure of your sickening death culture formulated by the arseholes who used illiterate Mo’s psychopathic doctrine to further their own interests.
    Take some time ; visit and study the content at http://www.thereligionofpeace.com and in addition visit MEMRI to observe the sacerdotal disgusting filth as iterated by your brain damaged Imams.
    Sooner or later some Western politicians will condemn Belief in Islamofascism with such characteristics as taquiyeh and hudna as sociopathic .
    I once asked a Sikh lady if she would ever marry. Muslim male?
    Her answer was: “I’d rather die of rabies.
    It’s time for Islam to be the subject of unrelenting parody and satire in order to remove the inculcated mental disease of your seventh century death cult.
    Do you believe in freedom of speech?
    If so read out this post in your Mosque and make a note of any reasoned criticism.
    Another question is “if you are educated how do you reconcile heat you have been taught with the empirically impossible nonsense of your religion.
    Read “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins and free yourself from your slavery to imaginary Allah ,your sky dwelling slave master.

  • otuer

    islam will never be fixed

  • Peter Antonious

    First lets break up this “Judeo-Christian” notion on things. Christianity is Christanity, the coming teachings of Christ – The New Testament. So don’t go bring Old Testament verses out and jumble them in. I mean the Jesus argued with The Jews all day about these topics and ultimately died for this single reason. So lets do away with that…

    The New Test fulfills prophecies from the Old, but denounces it’s teachings. Like an eye for an eye etc. And don’t quote God’s punishment to a sinner (that is what it is), it does not call us here on earth to carry out the punishment.

  • SirWilhelm

    If Jesus is the Son of God, he is the Son of the God of the Old Testament. That God sent his Son to modify the covenent he had with His Chosen People, while offering the same new covenent to all mankind through His Son’s sacrifice. That is what makes the history of Christianity, and it’s culture, Judeo-Christian. You need to know the history of Judaism, to understand Christianity.

  • SirWilhelm

    If Jesus is the Son of God, he is the Son of the God of the Old Testament. That God sent his Son to modify the covenent he had with His Chosen People, while offering the same new covenent to all mankind through His Son’s sacrifice. That is what makes the history of Christianity, and it’s culture, Judeo-Christian. You need to know the history of Judaism, to understand Christianity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/patsimmons Patrick Simmons

    I know this post is old, and I will not be speaking directly about the Constitution, but here is something that is contrary to your statement…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIe98zNWbIA

  • corn29

    > Both the Bible and koran say its [sic] ok to kill if we dont woriship [sic] allah, n> Christ, or God.nnThat is entirely incorrect. While the Old Testament wasn’t always a PG rated novel, that all changed with Jesus’ covenant with us. It’s clear you haven’t read the whole Bible or you wouldn’t have said that.nnThat’s the difference between islam and Christianity. The koran specifically mentions to “behead the unbelievers”. The unbelievers are defined as those who beleive “God is the son of Mary”. nnmohammed is a pedophile who took a 9 year old wife… and who advocates killing. Jesus is someone who taught us to forgive those who trespass against us. Nuff said.

  • christianjihadist

    Stinking Muslims

  • James

    I notice some painting the bible; more specifically, the Old Testament with the same tainted brush that taints Islam. The difference is between DESCRIPTION and PRESCRIPTION. While all of the bibles prescriptions arendescribed, not all of the descriptions are prescribed. nnUnlike nearly all of the OldnTestament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran arenmostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historicalncontext of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchangingnword of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the QurannnNotice the verses in the Quran are instructiven(PRESCRIPTIVE) they are not DESCRIBINGnwhat happened in the past.nnWhile the Old Testament handled the description of the past,nJesus (in the New Testament) handled the PRESCRIPTION of how we shouldnact. Letu2019s see what Jesus prescribed:nnMatthew 22:36–u201cTeacher, which is the most importantncommandment in the law of Moses?u201dnn37 Jesus replied, u201cu2018You mustnlove the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all yournmind.u2019[e] 38 This isnthe first and greatest commandment. 39 A second isnequally important: u2018Love your neighbor as yourself.u2019[f] 40 Thenentire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these twoncommandmentsnnRomans 12:9–Donu2019t just pretend to love others. Really loventhem. Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good. 10 Loveneach other with genuine affection,[e]and take delight in honoring each other. 11 Nevernbe lazy, but work hard and serve the Lord enthusiastically.[f] 12 Rejoicenin our confident hope. Be patient in trouble, and keep on praying. 13 WhennGodu2019s people are in need, be ready to help them. Always be eager to practicenhospitality.nn14 Bless those who persecute you.nDonu2019t curse them; pray that God will bless them. 15 Benhappy with those who are happy, and weep with those who weep. 16 Livenin harmony with each other. Donu2019t be too proud to enjoy the company of ordinarynpeople. And donu2019t think you know it all!nn17 Never pay back evil with morenevil. Do things in such a way that everyone can see you are honorable. 18 Donall that you can to live in peace with everyone.nn19 Dear friends, never take revenge.nLeave that to the righteous anger of God. For the Scriptures say,nnu201cI will take revenge;nn I will pay them back,u201d[g]nn says the Lord.nn20 Instead,nnu201cIf your enemies are hungry, feed them.nn If they are thirsty, give them something to drink.nnIn doing this, you will heapnn burning coals of shame on their heads.u201d[h]nn21 Donu2019t let evil conquer you, butnconquer evil by doing good

  • Zaidi

    I think this person has tried to misguide people about the Quran, lets have a look of the verses which he referred in article:nn2:191) And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at Sacred Mosque until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.nnCommentary: The above verse indicates that the atrocity started from the other side & Muslims were guided how to retaliate. Lets have a look what verse 190 is saying:n2:190) Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.nn5:33) Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,nnFor knowing more about the verse 9:5, read the verse 9:4 first so that you may know what the case actually was:n9:4) Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

  • SirWilhelm

    We do not fear Allah, because we do not believe Allah is God, let alone a god, at all. Those verses only have meaning to a true believer, like you. That you try to defend these verses from non-believers, indicates that what we believe, matters more to you, than what you believe, matters to us, except for one problem. You, and all Muslims, are compelled to impose your beliefs on non-believers, which is why you defend these verses, and all of the Quran. If we don’t believe in Allah, or that the Quran is a holy book, why should we believe you? Aside from the Quran, what evidence do you have that Allah is a god? That Allah even exists? And why do you accept Mohammed as a prophet, when he is well documented by history, as a caravan robbing thief, who used Islam as a tool to become a powerfull warlord, who killed and enslaved his neighbors? You need to realize that what you’re defending is evil. Allah bragged he was the Greatest Deceiver, and it is you, who is deceived.

  • hellosnackbar

    Then make a grovelling apology as a supporter of Mo the malevolent who invented Allah ( his version of a moon God) and had the temerity to convince contemporary idiots that via Jibril he was under instruction!nI could well suggest to you that the fairies at the bottom of my garden think imaginary Allah and malevolent Mo are metaphorical pieces of shit!n

  • Anonymous

    You took your time! But not, it appears, enough time to gain any more erudition than the proverbial brick. You want to exchange crudities? Then feel free to go to the trailer park and return when you can stick to the topic and have something worthwhile to say.

  • Anonymous

    You took your time! But not, it appears, enough time to gain any more erudition than the proverbial brick. You want to exchange crudities? Then feel free to go to the trailer park and return when you can stick to the topic and have something worthwhile to say.

  • AjDo

    I literally picked up a Qur’an and discredited all of these accusations. Most of them are not even closely written to those in the Qur’an and many have had words added to give Islam a bad name. This website was mustered to spread hate. An awful shame in such a hateful world. Do your research people. DO NOT follow this site. Open a Qur’an, do some research and you will see that what is being written and said is all propoganda.

  • Anonymous

    Care to share which copy of mein quranmpf you “literally picked up”? It must be a the same magical copy that the mohammadan supremacist liars use. Quran.com has at least six different translations of mein kuranmpf and they all read the same as the above. Do you assholes really believe no one will “literally pick up” a copy of mein kuranmpf for themselves. Are you not ashamed at being “literally” a proven liar?

  • hellosnackbar

    The Koranus is in effect a terrorist horror manual somewhat diluted by plagiarism from the Torah and Bible!nI ‘ve just read that Abu Qaturda has finally been dumped in Jordan!

  • blitza

    Woah woah woah stop. Every single point is out of conxtext. these are all one liners. read the whole paragraph surrounding these lines in the quran and then you will see what it actually says.

  • Warrior

    It is written that Satan will overcome the saints for a short period and many of us will be beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast and Islam is clearly the main helper to this antichrist agenda. By they way, all you islam believers need a new lesson of history. Have not any of you heard about how the Islam religion was designed to come after Christians by the authority of the Roman Catholic Church? If one islam had any humble bones within themselves they would seek the truth on what this phony religion is really all about. Come to know the real one and only God and His only begotten Son Yahushua Hamashiach. The difference between Christians and these other Vatican supported beliefs is that we won’t force you to convert, they will. What’s that say to all you morons who perescute Christians. And for those of you who will support the persecution of Christians in the last days, know this. Yahushua Hamashiach (Jesus) Commanded His disciples to buy a sword just before he went to die for us. Another words, in modern times, God bless the 2nd Amendment and dont hesitate to shoot someone threatening your family or yourself. PERIOD! Jesus was no pacifist although He commands that we walk in peace and love one another. Some of you people are so evil you can’t see the common sense in the difference between killing and murder. When he told Peter to put away his sword and “live by the sword die by the sword” It was because it wasnt the time to defend for Jesus knew he had to die for us all!nnnBottom line is this, Many will lose their head for Jesus Christ Yahushua Hamashiach but those who are guilty of this act of beheading shall lose their eternal soul. Another great thing about all of this is, I’ve seen many beheadings and I can see that God takes the sting of death from those who love Him. It’s almost as if some of them are dead before the knife even get’s to the spinal cord, for all the snakes who use the dull knives and start from the front. Either way we are eternally saved. For those who refuse a martyrs death, God has given us the Constitution in America to fight and when they come to strip that right away, I will still have Luke 22:36 which gave me the right to defend and kill if necessary Loooong before the Constitution of man was written. So We’re waiting Illuminati, Bring your your satanic bitch boy army to America. Millions of Guns and fearless warriors waiting for you over here. Of course they’re too coward to approach America like that, That is why I figured they will try to unleash a deadly virus in the chemtrails or food supply to put everyone in fear for a health care chip implant, (possible mark of the beast) Well God made a counter attack for that too. It’s called Colloidal silver, vitamin c, coconut oil, Chlorella, Spirulina, the list goes on. Many will live through tribulation but you must be a warrior of faith and wisdom to achieve that. I’ll see all you warriors one way or another.nnnGod bless those who Love the Lord Yahushua Hamashiach, THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE LIVING FATHER GOD! Only 1

  • SirWilhelm

    Your problem is that the context doesn’t matter. The deity behind the Quran is evil. He demands his followers, starting with Mohammed, swear to be his slaves, and then he directs them to conquer in his name. Mohammed did just that, starting in Saudi Arabia, and the conquests he began, continued, until stopped at Tours and Vienna. If slavery and war are evil, then Allah is evil, and the Quran proimotes the worship of an evil deity.

  • Melony Clark

    Perhaps in antiquity, but Jews no longer practice Medieval atrocities that spit in the face of G-d and the Geneva Convention. Decapitate people! My a–!

  • Anonymous

    Christianity does not teach this. Anyone who posts these verses as a criticism of Christians reveals their ignorance of the Bible.

  • Anonymous

    sabbath is not sundaynin a christian country you are free to be an atheist, but If you worship religeons of death then you should do that worship else where, obvouisly thats all up in air because the illuminatti are allowed to invite all muslims over and live on benefits

  • Jeff

    Old Testament replaced by the new. PERIOD.

  • mm

    Those verses are fake and not actually written in the quran. Its bullshit.

  • mm

    I’d appreciate a response from the writer. What are you trying to do by posting a false article? And people are too lazy to go and find these verses in the quran. You are a joke for writing this and anyone who beleives this is in the quran is quite ignorant.

  • Anonymous

    You need a little help with hidden historical facts. This will shake you to the core as your beliefs are shattered and the deception comes into focus. nnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU24fJ4NQxo http://www.teamlaw.net/Mythology.htm

  • John

    Thats in the old testamant, Christians don’t abide by the old testamant

  • Clyde Beckett

    Weird twist as Muhamid said islam was to be in conjunction with christianity. Judgement day was when we meet Allah (God). Me thinks some tyrant who’s war effort was not going well added to the text…..

  • Timothy

    We as Christian’s abide by the new testament and word of Jesus Christ, Jesus was the amendment to laws from the old testament. Every verse above is from the old testament. Hope you now understand and I’ll hopefully see you in Church on Sunday.

  • Bryan
  • reader

    Historian De lacey Ou2019Leary states u201cHistory makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.u201d There is no record in history that shows people being forced by sword point to convert to Islam. When Islam spread through countries they would set up private churches and synagogues for the non Muslims they were governing and because of the good treatment they had received they themselves would convert. If one considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam to the west all the way from Spain and Morocco and into east from India and China one would realize that such a small group of people could not force others to be members of a religion against their will. It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic empire, instead of destroying the religion they adopted it!

  • reader

    “And so, when the sacred months are over, slay those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God wherever you may come upon them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place! Yet if they repent, and take to prayer, and render the purifying dues, let them go their way: for, behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace.” (9:5nnContexte: [kill the idolaters wherever you find them] is in reference to a historical episode: those among the Makkan Confederates who breached the Treaty of Hudaybiyya which led to the Victory of Makka, and that therefore, no legal rulings, or in other words, no practical or particular implications, can be derived from this Verse on its own.nnThe Divine Irony and indeed Providence from the last part of the Verse, u2018wherever you find themu2019u2014which many of our mufassirs {interpreters of the Quru2019an} understood in reference to place (i.e., attack them whether inside the Sacred Precinct or not)u2014is that the victory against the Makkans happened without a single battle taking place, whether inside the Sacred Precinct or otherwise, rather there was a general amnesty for the Jahili Arabs {pre-Islamic Arabian pagans} there.nntHad the Verse not been subject to historical context, then you should know that it is of the general type and that it will therefore be subject to specification by some other indication. Its effect in lay terms, were it not related to the Jahili Arabs, is that it can only refer to a case during a valid war when there is no ceasefire.nntAmong the well known exegeses of u2018al-mushrikinu2019 from this Verse are u2018an-nakithina khassatanu2019 [specifically those who have breached (the Treaty)], u2018al-ladhina yuharibunakum’ [those who have declared war against you]; and u2018khassan fi mushriki l-u2018arabi duna ghayrihim’ [specifically, the Jahili Arabs and not anyone else].nntAs for the meaning of u2018peopleu2019 in the above well-related hadith, it is confirmed by Ijma {consensus} that it refers to the same u2018mushrikinu2019 as in the Verse of Sura al-Tawba {9:5} above, and therefore what is meant there is only the Jahili Arabs during the closing days of the Final Messenger and the early years of the Righteous Caliphs and not even to any other non-Muslims.nntIn sum, we are not in a perpetual state of war with non-Muslims. On the contrary, the original legal status is a state of peace, and making a decision to change this status belongs only to a Muslim authority who will in the Next World answer for their ijtihad {the process of making a legal decision by independent interpretation} and decision; and this decision is not divinely charged to any individualsu2014not even soldiers or scholarsu2014and to believe otherwise would go against the well-known rule in our Law that a Muslim authority could seek help from a non-Muslim with certain conditions, including, for example, that the non-Muslim allies are of goodwill towards the Muslims:u201d*nnIn short, the verse above often quoted by critics of Islam to suggest that Islam requires the killing of non-Muslims does not mean what those critics profess it means. Indeed, if that were the case, there would not be non-Muslims living in Muslim-run countries, which has been the case since the 7th century.

  • reader
  • VForVendetta1

    I am muslim and if these are true than i have broke each of these. All my best friends are Christian or Athiest, i prefer them more than any muslim i have met. I am never going to kill anyone over their religion. But when people go to the extremes of saying kill all muslims, moderate muslims like myself become terrified of being labled “terrorist” and killed.

  • anonymous ur asshole mom insid

    This is modafucka fake article.. U guys suck, get the fuckin life man…

  • guest

    When the west kills they don’t kill by the name of christianitynor islam or any religion, they killnbecause of politics or whatever that benefits there country because they arenloyal to there countries if they were fighting in the name of christianity theynwould be spreading the religion atleast, right?, but when arab kills, they killnfor islam as muslims are more loyal to there religion than there country andnfight to spread islam. sometime ago i saw on TV that a Doctor went forn”gehad” (gehad is the killing in the name of islam that is notnconsidered a sin) so all the people from all the educational levels arenconvinced with gehad, just how islam spreaded thousands of years, mohammadngathered his army and hit the countries around him including his home countrynand became stronger and stronger and yes mohamad didnu2019t kill all non-muslimsnbut he applied high taxes on non u2013muslims and who coudnu2019t afford to paynconverts or die, now the same is happening. evey wondered why there is ONLYnMUSLIM countries? like iran, turkey, pakistan? because the non-muslim eithernconverts or die! and thats whats happening in iraq now a days, the iraqinchristian and all the non-muslims are being terrorized by ISIS which arenmuslims from all over the world doing “gehad” so killing is not a sinnsince its spreading islam even if it means killing innocents. my family have benterrorized by muslims since my great grandfather who have been terrorized innturkey then he came to north iraq and our generations are being terrorized justnlike old days so iraq is soon going to be like turkey, iran, pakistan and manynONLY muslim countries the whole religions of the world doesnu2019t have that onlynreligion country except for islam because they use violence. have anybody heardnof someone converts to christianty NO! why? because he get killed, and anybodynwho doesnu2019t follow the muslims rules even muslims they get killed, is that anreligion of god? Muslims donu2019t get weather you becaome a god muslim or no theynjust care about increasing the number of muslims, as if you are not sure imnspeaking the truth or not please go google the stuff I talked about, googlengehad, google and make sure that there is only muslims countries OH and thatnnot all some African countries consider being not muslim is a crime and younsentenced to death and other countries have endless fight between the sunna andnshiaannPlease donu2019t take my word go look everything up and im notngonna surce anything you go find your souce to make sure im not using the deceiving source please spread my story for the sake ofnhumanity nnso i wonder why would anyone converts to islam after this?nto help terrorizing the earth?

  • Elaine

    The only people killing other people, and following their religion are the Muslims.

  • Elaine

    What is the point of calling someone a “jewhawk ” you disgusting racist.younpretend to be so educated, but underneath you are antisemite, a cockroach.

  • buruk

    Muhhamed has no clue if the world was round he plainly said the earth is flat .read the koran

  • Anonymous

    This is almost implemented in India. Muslims while representing a population of 10-20% are only numbered around 25,000 out of a million-strong army. Whether it’s outright discrimination or just their interest, the numbers are clearly against them. Although, I’m for treating minorities (including muslims) fairly, you never know where their loyalties lie, especially when asked to kill members of their faith.

  • 1968_bills_fan

    I’m sorry for you having to live a life of contradiction.

  • 1968_bills_fan

    ISIS would be glad to be corrected by you.

  • 1968_bills_fan

    Sorry, but that is not true.

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