Arab Reformist: You Know You're In An Arab Country When…

by Infidelesto on February 27, 2007 · 350 comments

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Via MEMRI:

  • “When you cannot find a single garden in your city, but there is a mosque on every corner – you know that you are in an Arab country…
  • “When you see people living in the past with all the trappings of modernity – do not be surprised, you are in an Arab country.
  • “When religion has control over science – you can be sure that you are in an Arab country.
  • “When clerics are referred to as ‘scholars’ – don’t be astonished, you are in an Arab country.
  • “When you see the ruler transformed into a demigod who never dies or relinquishes his power, and whom nobody is permitted to criticize – do not be too upset, you are in an Arab country.
  • “When you find that the large majority of people oppose freedom and find joy in slavery – do not be too distressed, you are in an Arab country.
  • “When you hear the clerics saying that democracy is heresy, but [see them] seizing every opportunity provided by democracy to grab high positions [in the government] – do not be surprised, you are in an Arab country…
  • “When monarchies turn into theocracies, and republics into hybrids of monarchy and republic – do not be taken aback, you are in an Arab country.
  • “When you find that the members of parliament are nominated [by the ruler], or else that half of them are nominated and the other half have bought their seats through bribery… – you are in an Arab country…
  • “When you discover that a woman is worth half of what a man is worth, or less – do not be surprised, you are in an Arab country…
  • “When you see that the authorities chop off a man’s hand for stealing a loaf of bread or a penny, but praise and glorify those who steal billions – do not be too surprised, you are in an Arab country…
  • “When you are forced to worship the Creator in school and your teachers grade you for it – you can be sure that you are in an Arab country…
  • “When young women students are publicly flogged merely for exposing their eyes – you are in an Arab country…
  • “When a boy learns about menstruation and childbirth but not about his own [body] and [the changes] it undergoes in puberty – roll out your prayer mat and beseech Allah to help you deal with your crisis, for you are in an Arab country…
  • “When land is more important than human beings – you are in an Arab country…
  • “When covering the woman’s head is more important than financial and administrative corruption, embezzlement, and betrayal of the homeland – do not be astonished, you are in an Arab country…
  • “When minorities are persecuted and oppressed, and if they demand their rights, are accused of being a fifth column or a Trojan horse – be upset, you are in an Arab country…
  • “When women are [seen as] house ornaments which can be replaced at any time – bemoan your fate, you are in an Arab country.
  • “When birth control and family planning are perceived as a Western plot – place your trust in Allah, you are in an Arab country…
  • “When at any time, there can be a knock on your door and you will be dragged off and buried in a dark prison – you are in an Arab country…
  • “When fear constantly lives in the eyes of the people – you can be certain that you are in an Arab country.”

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  • The Reaper

    Most of these aren’t true.
    The rest is just exxageration.

  • Infidelesto

    Actually they are ALL true and none are exagerated

    • xngh

      an how do you know??
      are you an arab??

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

        haha, so you have to be arab to know? So unless your American, you don't know anything about America? The race for superior stupidity has begun and you are in the lead.

        • xngh

          this is not what i meant, i was sayng that since im an arab i know whats really going on here because im living it!!
          ofcaorse you dont have to be arab to understand however you have to be in thier shoes to get a grip of whats happening!!
          if somthing was written about Italy for instance i cant just go comment whatever pops into my mind … these things are deep and you need to know what yopur talking about!!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

            I am an American, I live in a muslim country, have lived in two different ones in the past 5 years, I have seen plenty of everything on this list.

          • God of Reason

            I too am an American who has lived in 3 different muslim countries in the past 3 years. I have noticed that what we see as abhorrent and deeply disturbing, Islam indoctrinates their people to see as completely normal and even upstanding. For any person who bases their moral framework on love and reason, it is as clear to see as a crisp Autumn day in Maine, Islam is a poison to the mind.

          • Nimra.taskeen

            The truth is far beyond which meets the eye stupid…, My neighbor in America used to fuck his own sister… and do shit things… but its not like all Americans do that, as i understand the guy has some mental problems, but unfortunately ur so stupid….

          • Kal_El

            “The truth is far beyond which meets the eye stupid…” Isn’t that the tag line from the old Transformers cartoons of the 80s? Then again, what with the quran being a BLATANT PLAGIARISATION of the Bible and Torah, it’s not surprising you use someone else’s material to make a point… Speaking of stupid, you ought to try using proper grammar and correct spelling, when insulting us. Otherwise, you look like a typical inbred idiotic muslim incapable of forming a coherent thought or sentence on paper…

          • Sheshocks

            I am Betty freakin’ Rubble, and I still know more than you, xinghah… When 2 beautiful teenage girls are killed in a cab by their Muslim Freako Rag headed sexually abusive father, and he gets a free “get out of town by sunset” card, after the emergency call tapes have the girls screaming that their father had just shot them and they were dying and weren’t found until they were dead in the back of one of his cabs, THEN YOU KNOW YOU’RE ABOUT TO BE LIVING IN AN ARAB COUNTRY.

            Go screw a goat, dchebag!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/nilesmc nilesmc

          In the lead? These islamic psychos have crossed the finish line a long, long time ago.

        • Angel xoxo

          FUCK YOU

          • hellosnackbar

            Well Angelxoxo you've really put us in our place witj that pithy repost.

          • Kal_El

            How eloquent, a shining example of the musluman intellect when their cult of islam is mocked, as it rightfully should be.

          • Kal_El

            How eloquent, a shining example of the musluman intellect when their cult of islam is mocked, as it rightfully should be.

          • Sassatrash

            brilliant retort, retard.

    • Nimrataskeen

      ur so stupid…
      1) every mosque has a small garden
      2) what the hell is modernity.. Fuckin ur own sisterz.., u can be happy being modern!! lol
      3) Science is nothin but essence of life…, nd if u read the Holy Quran u will knw that nothing can be more perfect than it is.. It is the essence of life..
      4) clerics are ‘scholars’ bcoz they have complete knowledge of the Holy Quran, they have infact memorize The Holy Quran, Tell me how many lines of a book can u memorize…

      U knw i can go on and on proving that ur so stupid…, but i guess its worthless… looks like ur happy in ur ignorance…

      • Kal_El

        A definition of science can be found here – http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/science – and NOWHERE does it relate to any of the bullshit scripted in the quran. Science is the essence of life? What are you, some sort of hippie snake oil salesman? As for memorizing a book, especially one as outdated and idiotic as the quran, big whoop. I can memorize entire novels, that does not make me a scholar. There is a huge difference between learning, and memorization. As for proving one’s stupidity/ignorance, you do that regarding your own, what with all the spelling and grammatical errors.

  • Bianca

    man. they’re not even funny.

    when women are flogged for exposing their eyes???

    then why are women in turkey and france FIGHTING to keep their scarves ON???

    • Sarah

      My guess would be fear of their husbands, and other male relatives who, ultimately have control over these women once they get home and behind closed doors?? These women are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

      • Peaz

        Not true, Sarah. Plenty of Muslim women wear their burkas because they choose to. For example, I know this Iranian photographer who took pictures of underground arts conventions, women dressing in tank-tops etc in Iran (it is illegal there.) She is now in Canada, and continues to wear a burka, because she is a proponent for freedom, and her freedom is dressing how she chooses.

        I’ve got no vested interested in Islam, by the way – I just think it’s kind of ridiculous that people in the west just assume that these Muslim women are so downtrodden and stupid and so governed by fear that they can’t think for themselves – or that covering their face must be a forced issue, rather than a spiritual, or even an aesthetic one. It’s a pretty arrogant assumption to make.

        • SirWilhelm

          Some Muslim women are persuaded to don suicide vests or belts and blow themselves up for Islam. Is it arrogant to assume that they were brainwashed into doing so? Is it arrogant to assume that anyone that blows themselves up because a man named Mohammed, claimed an entity named Allah, that he believed was a god, told them they would be guarnteed to go to paradise, is wrong? On the other hand, when we know all Muslim women are treated as slaves, because they are slaves to their men, who are slaves to Allah, which makes all Muslims slaves, how can we know when, or which, Muslim women are doing anything they really choose to do? The real joke is when you say Sarah, or any Muslim, is a “proponent” of freedom”, when all Muslims are slaves to Allah, which means they are really slaves to their leaders, supposed representatives of Allah. All Muslims want everyone to worship Allah, and the only way to worship Allah is to swear to be his slave. If you can believe you have to be a slave to be free, what else will you believe?

        • Kal El

          Your photographer friend is in the minority. I lived in more than one muslim country, one sunni majority, some shia. Sure there were some women who dressed in a Western fashion. But in Saudi (the islamic “capital”) it is ILLEGAL for women to not wear the burka. Same in Iran, as you mentioned. Tell your photographer friend togo back to Tehran, and try walking down the street with a tank-top and shorts, and sandals. In that situation, I’d choose the burka as well. No one here is making any arrogant assumptions. I have SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES FIRSTHAND. As have many with whom I collaborate when I put up a post here. Your lack of interest in islam will be your (and ours, sadly too many remain ignorant, spoon-fed by the media that islam means peace. It DOES NOT!) undoing.

  • jen the rednek

    I just discovered this blog about a month ago and I would like to thank y’all for posting what every other media outlet is scared of. WTF is up with this Arab crap, it’s the 21st century people! Get with it or get over it!

  • hakim

    I saw your points of view and I wonder how much time you have spent yourself in an “Arab country”. I also wonder if you know the difference between an “Arab” and a “Muslim”. I further wonder who were your teachers until you finished school. Did you finish school? Try to exchange some words in the text and find an idea how much of it is transferable to the so-named western world (I have my roots there as well) Mind you: I try not to excuse excessess, but would like to point out that the party with the larger bombs is not always the party with the better moral. Peaceful comments are welcome

    • Joan

      But the party with the larger bombs are usually the victorious side.

    • hellosnackbar

      Ethics and morals from a muslim??
      Let's hear more!
      My cortical laughter centre is already primed.

    • Eversostrong

      Arabs in general, do share backwards, non-progressive traits. Regardless of their religion. Just ask Brigette Gabriel

  • Rudy

    Hakim,

    I have worked in an Arab country for most of the last 5 years. 2 of them in fact and have visited many. So which words do you claim are transferable to the Western world? I can’t recall any time in the US when a person had his hand amputated for stealing bread (as they do in Saudi). Nor have I ever heard of women being beaten by the religious police for exposing their faces in public (as in Iran and Saudi). Nor have I seen any politician in Europe or the US worshipped as if he were a demigod (see Sayeed Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon). I am not trying to attack you, but if you are going to tell me to try to exchange some words in this text, why not provide examples yourself and back them up with irrefutable evidence?

  • Tonto (USA)

    Hakim, Why don’t you just change your name to “Abid Islam”, because you are a slave. You have the apologist attitude of a slave(or a liberal) and you are unfit to live as a free man. As you can probably perceive, my contempt for islamic moon-god (the true identity of allah) worship is boundless.

  • anon

    People who are have no independence of mind and spirit, what they call mental submission, have a tendency to worship tyrants of one kind or another. If they did not have a tyrant to enslave them, they would surely invent one. That is why they say: the slave is often more despicable than the tyrant!

  • julius

    Having been to a Muslim country of Turkey where all religion is tolerated to the most part, I felt rather bewildered yet safe enough,Istanbul with 20,000,000 population seemed rather focused on survival  than Religion,Obviously some are worst than others but his comments are rather a general guildline to the extremist,Just like here in the Bible belt where everyone thinks thier the “True Believers ” And If you dont Believe in Jesus Crist your all going to Hell.The time I spent in Turkey I witnessed no crimes due to fear of the law,unlike what we have here F&*K the POLICE.What is Better?Freedom can equal-Anarchy, Too much control=slavery. The answer is a balance.My allah be with you all.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/JevyJev JevyJev

      I guess you never left Istanbul because there are many parts in Turkey were you better be a muslim or expect to be a victim.

  • Arab Women

    hey all… im an arab .. and frankly i find it is a bit offensive.
    most if not all of the points mentioned are not true and looked at from one perspective.
    please consider the culture and traditions before judging anything.
    women are very free and are equal to men in most of arab countries , and the last two points i guess are present because of the cruel and harsh people (not arabs)who are taking our countries.

    we have certain tradition and cultures that are taken seriously and there is nothing wrong living your life based upon religion because that is the reason we exist on this earth and this life .you may never understand our culture but never judge something that u haven't experienced and the women here are freee dont take a few cases and judge upon them.

    "you know u r in an arabic country when prople invite u to their homes to eat dinner even if they just met you" because that is what RELIGION have taught us manners , and hospitality. "you also know u r in an arab country where the family still has a connection with their children even if they turned 18" because they raised us and we owe our entire life to them . our culture is based upon respect ,kindness , hospitality , and caring because that is who we are so try to break the stereotypes and SEPERATE the facts from the fiction please

    Thank you

    • Joan

      I find things a bit offensive myself, if Muslims can just not blow themselves up on the underground, as it makes one rather nervous.
      I was taught manners also, i was not brought up on the roadside as Muslims appear to have been.
      Hospitality was in good supply on that day was it not ?
      From what i heard it was hard to seperate the bodies, We will never forget so you are wasting your time with these feeble stereotype messages.

      • Arab.w

        from what i understand are you saying that muslims blow themselves up in underground?? and that hospitaliy should not be overrated??

        • Joan

          Am i to understand that you are denying Muslims blew themselves up on the underground ?
          Do you think some manners and hospitality was lacking at that particular time and instance ?

          • Arab.w

            you need to stop generelising. not all arabs are muslims , and not all muslims are arab. thats one. the muslims who blew themselves up in the underground may have a different opinion . when you generelise you will say that muslims(as a whole) are terrorists , on the other hand if you look at it in the right way you will find that the individual who blew himself up was a muslim , however not all his family and community beleive that what he did is right or even support what he did.

            you need to do your reseach and see how arab countries have been attacked for the
            pst 60 years. a recent example wpuld be Ghaza, Palestine were 365 people died under the isreali attacks of which 40 are children , not mentioning the hundreds of injuired women and children. arabs didnt ask for theise attacks.

            you should really visit an arabic country in order for you to see the real image. you can not judge according to nothing.

          • Joan

            You know, all the time Muslims give the same, pathetic, feeble answers. You justify your terror by saying "what about palestine "
            I was talking specifically about the London underground, yet you come on here and think you can turn that around to what has happened in the last few days.
            I would not visit a Muslim country, never. I would not sit next to a Muslim on transport or knowingly get on an aircraft with one. Muslim women in the full traditional dress are a menace in the UK as i am sure they are elsewhere, you cannot see what they have on underneath, and by that i am referring to explosives, it is not meant to be a flippant remark.
            You do not intergrate with us and that is your doing, now it is ours.

          • Joan

            The vast majority of Arabs or middle eastern people are muslim and since you bring up Palestine those people have made a clear choice to hide terrorists knowing full well the consequences to that action. That is why they are attacked, in order to root out terrorists it really has to be done so it is with regret the killing of children happens. If they give up the terrorists it would not, but they hide behind women and childrenwho decide to shield them. It is therefore the fault of the terrorist who directly is responsible for what is happening.
            If i shield a bank robber who has killed i would expect something awful to happen so i would not do it.They had their chance. Muslims need to give up terror as a means of trying to get what they feel they want.

          • Joan

            Muslims need to try and keep their religion where it belong, to themselves and stop pushing it onto other who do not want it

          • Joan

            You come on here talking of your hospitality and manners, then it becomes very clear what agenda you really have.

          • Arab.W

            you are judging a whole community according to a few people yopu see around th UK!! you know that is wrong and i will not talk to you about that !! because i wont judge your family or anything around you if you did a bad thing.
            you know nothing about us so you can talk about nothing. sorry but you are so closed minded and i will not discuss things with someone with such mind.

          • Joan

            That means, discussion ended as i have said something you do not like, in this instance The Truth.

            Tell all that to the victims families and survivors of the London underground attacked by the gutless suicide bombers.
            You try to defend and excuse what cannot be defended and excused.
            I do know a lot about you and your sort, i know you are murderers and you shield terrorists that is all i need to know.
            Islam means submission and i will never surrender to Allah.

          • Arab woman 2

            Joan, i don't know who you really are but what's happening in palestine is happening because people living there want to earn their dignity back.It's their land , it's their country, and as a matter of fact ISRAEL is not even a country. Citizensof palestine are defending their country. that's all what their doing. Have some respect here.

          • Joan

            Oh, as for who i really am, i was invited to the board by Christopher L,I suggest you take it up with him, and jolly good luck. You are going to need it.

          • Joan

            And furthermore Arab Woman or whatever you refer to yourself as, while we are on the subject of land and countries, whose is whose and what is not.The UK belongs to the British people and Muslims have no rightful place here.In saying that how long before we as a people defend OUR contry do you think in your opinion ? against the colonisation of our land by Muslims ?

          • zeenah (arab woman)

            Joan i suppose that you don't really understand what's going on in PALESTINE, for instance, if i had to spend my holiday in the UK i would be there for entertainment and nothing more.Unlike the israels, im not taking over any of your possessions or LAND!!! We are talking here about rights and JUSTICE that is not offered in the land of palestine. and i think that palestinians deserve to defend their country by bombs, explosives and whatever to take back thier land even if it involves kiling thousands of israels since they deserve it. and joan i would really like if u research and actually acknowledge that this land we're talking about here is called PALESTINE

          • arab woman

            and i would really like it if you also research the difference between A ''MUSLIM'' and an ''ARAB'

          • Joan

            I would like you to research the difference between what is accepable and unacceptable in the civilised world.

          • Joan

            Are you a third defender of Palestinian terror ? I have answered ArabW
            Arab woman2 and now you. What is going on here today, are you all having a refurbishment of the rat's nest over there ?
            Now let us clear up some of the facts here, as a UK resident the land in the UK is being taken over and colonised by the Muslims.
            You sound like a terrorist supporter to me and i hope you get what you deserve.
            You talk about justice, you are a joke, there has just been a newsflash here that a Palestinian rocket has landed on a kindergarden school. Can i ask what justice you propose for that ?
            You talk of theft of land when it suits you, when you are confronted with theft of land you try to wriggle out of it.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

            they're not taking over any land. They don't want occupation. Why don't you read the news? You sit there and listen to your local crazed Imam to tell you the truth about everything. So your version of justice is Israel being wiped off the map? Would that be "justice"? I have no doubt Hamas and their thug (moron) supporters would rejoice to the heaves if another Jewish Holocaust happened in the form of a biological weapon or a-bomb over israel.

            There is no land called Palestine. Are you dense? There's no such thing. Read a freaking non-Islamic book once in a while. Do you realize the lies and propoganda you've been fed? Go back to your Mosque and cook some bacon.

          • ISLAM <3

            all u people have no right coming here saying that our religion is crazy because u have just crossed the line. you go back home know what the meaning of justice means . if u go back to our history u would realize that most of the people that were killed by the muslim army were MEN in fact to be more specisic SOLDIERS!!!! those who are bombing themselves in the UNDERGROUND don't have the real image of what islam means and how can u say that we started the war . did we go to the US and started a war or did the US army went to Iraq and killed children , burned houses and raped women. it doesn't matter what conflict this is all about but u have crossed ur line by coming and talking about our religion like this and the reason why all u people hate this religion because millions of people a year are converting to ISLAM!!!! and you simply cant accept the fact that this religion is right !!!OMG YOU PEOPLE ARE BRAINWASHED!!!!! you no nothing about the truth you do not even know what u are talking about because u r blinded by the lies ur goverment is planing in your minds .

          • harbi massihi

            joan, there is a palestine – it's a town in texas. forget arab woman's waffle about islamic manners – ask the assyrians, armenians, greeks, and other dhimmis, as they can tell you best. as for the claim of strong families, i'm sure hitler loved his mother

          • johnllll

            You just got to be the biggest moron American hillbilly I have ever come across. Palestine is the rightful name of a country the existed for more than 2000 years until 1948 where the British colonial power handed over a small piece to the jewish immigrants. Within a couple of years Israel started stealing land and has never ceased to do so despite of breaking 69 UN resolutions (Iraq broke a couple). The problem with American airheads like you is that you have no education, no sense of history, no understanding of the world outside 'hollywood' and the jewish lobby. I have scanned through this blog and I absolutely stunned with the level of idiocy that is expressed here. Islam existed for 1500 years without any one getting hurt, and then it suddenly became the root of all evil to America when Russia collapsed…hmmm. For fucks sakes you butthead, Israel and US needs you and everyone else to hate the Muslims so oil can be grabbed, and land can be continuously occupied.

          • Kal_El

            Islam existed for 1500 years without anyone getting hurt? Tell that to the
            Zoroastrians, Byzantines, Assyrians, and Arab Jews that were slaughtered by
            the muslim horde.

            As for Palestine existing for 2000 years, yes it has, as the region
            conquered by Romans, that was formerly known as Judea. Long before there was
            islam, there was Israel.

          • Yara

            are the muslims in the UK killing random people onthe street? are they throwing missiles at churches and schools? are they running people out of their homes by force? are they terrorizing little children for jokes? didnt think so! so comparing israeli's kicking out Palestinians from their homes and Muslims moving or living in the UK is plain dumb.

          • Kal

            Yara,

            muslims in the UK are attacking teenagers in gangs at random, raping young girls at random, vandalizing synagogues, harrassing the elderly at random. It is so bad now in some parts of Europe that the Hells Angels, of all people, are starting to fight back.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

            ITts not their land, It's not their country, it never has been. Pali's had their chance in the 70's to be a part of Jordan, but they tried to take it over and got expelled. You idiots don't have a sliver of knowledge about anything but your local Imam shoves down your throat.

          • Eversostrong

            The big lie is that Arabs were in that land first. Give it a rest.

          • Kal El

            Actually, Arabs have always occupied the land. They just existed under different names, and a whole lot of them were Jews. Before that Caananites.

          • Apostate-Infidel

            Tell that to Israel. They will kick your ass and euthanize every single one of you before your primitive assaults would make a difference. They won. Leave them alone. In general, the arabic and Muslim worlds display violence, lack of civility and oppression. ’nuff said.

          • Kal El

            That is extreme. Israel is not so cruel to euthanize a whole populace, despite the improvement to the gene pool it would produce. The Israelis are the good guys.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/nilesmc nilesmc

            The only problem there is the fact that their "religion" calls for them to push it on everyone (that's everyone on planet earth) else. It's all right there in their koran.

            Every freedom loving person should watch "Islam: What everyone needs to know." on youtube!!!!

            Islam is not a religion, it is a cancer on human civilization. Islam is a malignant tumor of barbarism that needs to be destroyed.

          • hellosnackbar

            Oh Oh! a good old fashioned anti-semite in Oxford.
            I wonder if you're a Muslim?
            Yes the Irgun and Hagena were viscious terrorists;but there existence was ephemeral!
            And yes Jews discourage marriage to non Jews.
            But they don't kill apostates!and in my personal experience their disapproval always seems to be ameliorated on the arrival of grandchildren.
            Furthermore converts to Judiaism are not encouraged(cf. Islam).
            I find it disgraceful that an august body like Oxford would allow a bigot like you to study in freedom.
            But then again there is the freedom of speech issue.(notably absent in Islamic hell holes)
            Jews by and large make a disproportionate contribution to academic excellence whereas Muslims fall within the failure category,
            Ein Herz fuer Arschloesche(sympathy for arseholes) is a disease that
            multicultural twats are forever preaching.
            It's a tired stupid policy; that's long past its sell by date .
            Bombing.murder and paederasty are hardly to be compared with “the chosen people doctrine”.
            Your argument from authority(history post graduate)or your pathetic ad hominems are;as you should know logical fallacies.
            Taking on Beej in this discussion will, I predict, result in your humiliation.
            Apologists for Islam get short schrift here!
            Send us your PhD thesis, with which to mock you.
            Come on Johnny boy show us your balls!

          • Marian

            You know! someday i might just meet with you without knowing who you are and without you knwing who i am and what is my religion and you might find me as a nice person but by then you wouldn't have asked about my belief or my origion and then you might change your mind. i respect you for opinion. i honestly do but please don't attack other's beliefs. if we deserve to go to hell then we will eventually there's no need to live in hell in this life and the after life don't you think? we respects your beliefs and opinions even though they might be hurtfull to us so just respect our beliefs just like we respect and accept yours. and who knows

          • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

            When your “beliefs” include defending and propping up Islamist totalitarianism and Islamist terror, the only moral thing to do is oppose it, ridicule it, mock it and disrespect it.

            If you would separate religion from politics, I would be much more sympathetic, but since you're “beliefs” involve inhumane treatment of women, children and non-muslims and since your “beliefs” include spreading Islam by the sword (militant Jihad) or by political coersion (promoting Islamic Law through taqiyya using Western freedom to implement Islamic Law) we have every right to fight for our way of life and oppose yours.

          • Marian

            Dude HONESTLY?! what the hell are you talking about?! Inhumane treatment of women and children?! can you explain how you think women and children are treated inhumanly??!
            i am a muslim?! im not forcing you to join my religion i don't care what yuo do in your life just try to back off from ours.
            SOME muslims are crazy, they've been missled by people who gave them the wrong idea about Islam and Jihad and God will know what to do with them but that's not my problem. when Joan talked about the underground bombing that took place in London..Joan was also talking about muslims “invading” the UK. have Joan considered how many Muslims must've been in those undergrounds during the bombing. im tellin you those bombers know nothing about Islam !

          • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

            can you explain how you think women and children are treated inhumanly
            Sure:
            http://infidelsarecool.com/womens-rights-in-islam/
            and here:
            http://infidelsarecool.com/childrens-rights-in-

            This would be a must read for you if you consider yourself “peaceful”
            http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/12/02/islam-and

          • Marian

            look… i've read what you've posted but i wanna tell you something.
            i am a 16 years old highschool student. i am a muslim. raised with the best parents anyone could ever imagine. never been hit by my parents. always stood for my rights. never been humiliated and over powered by a man. this is my life.i go to a private school and im sitting for my A levels in a few days .i am going to college. fall in love and marry the man i choose to be with. i do not wear Al Hijab neither does my mom. i've been well educated. from everything that i have written down have you seen any inhumane treatment at all? any injustice by my parents or soceity?
            i can't argue with what you have posted me because even to me they sound inhumane and i would know that because i haven't been raised that way o treated the way some of those women have been treated. but there is a large number of sick people in our soceity just like in every other country you go to! do they relate those people and the awful things they do based on their religion?!
            now we can stay here for hours or months maybe even decades and we won't agree on the same point but all that i am saying is open your eyes, try to go to an Arab country or talk to people who have been to Arab countries and i can assure you it isn't as bad as you think it is. just think about what i said.

          • Marian

            look… i've read what you've posted but i wanna tell you something.
            i am a 16 years old highschool student. i am a muslim. raised with the best parents anyone could ever imagine. never been hit by my parents. always stood for my rights. never been humiliated and over powered by a man. this is my life.i go to a private school and im sitting for my A levels in a few days .i am going to college. fall in love and marry the man i choose to be with. i do not wear Al Hijab neither does my mom. i've been well educated. from everything that i have written down have you seen any inhumane treatment at all? any injustice by my parents or soceity?
            i can't argue with what you have posted me because even to me they sound inhumane and i would know that because i haven't been raised that way o treated the way some of those women have been treated. but there is a large number of sick people in our soceity just like in every other country you go to! do they relate those people and the awful things they do based on their religion?!
            now we can stay here for hours or months maybe even decades and we won't agree on the same point but all that i am saying is open your eyes, try to go to an Arab country or talk to people who have been to Arab countries and i can assure you it isn't as bad as you think it is. just think about what i said.

          • Beejj

            Gosh, Marian, you need to spend an hour or two reading through many of the reports listed on this site. You seem to believe that since you live in a civilised country, attend a decent school and have caring parents, nobody has the right to point the finger at Islam's atrocious treatment of women. Have you, perchance, heard about what the Taliban do to girls who go to school? Do you know anything about the plight of women in Saudi Barbaria? Are you learning to drive? Saudi women aren't. Have you witnessed any women being stoned to death where you live? Have you been promised in marriage to some old goat yet? But wait – you are about to take your A levels, so you are getting a bit old, aren't you? 16? You don't wear the disgusting apparel that immediately proclaims the downtrodden Muslim female? I am happy for you, but I am sure there are hundreds of millions of your sisters in religion who envy your freedom to dress as you wish. The fact that you are, in all likelihood, physically intact is another cause for many of your sisters in religion to envy you. When you refer to a large number of sick people in society, I am in eager agreement, but where you and I differ is in recognition of the fact that Islam's contribution to the total is …. um …. significant.

            I do not know if you will reply to this, but should you do so, kindly tell me what decided you to become Muslim, and how old you were when you made the decision.

            Try to locate the writings of one of our contributors – her name is Bronwyn – and ponder them.

            You mention that you'll be taking your A levels in a few days from now. This puzzles me. A level exams were always sat in June. When was the change of timing made?

          • Marian

            Well i did not convert to Islam i was born Muslim. I will be taking driving lessons at 18 [that is the legal age o driving in my country] and i will recieve a car from my dad by then. now when you talk about Taliban and Saudi Arabia I think the way that they treat women that way would be more cultural wise and based on some weird traditions they have. that is not Islam i am sure of that. i have read the Quran and all the books that could help me explain what theQuran is talking about in details and that is not what Islam is about, what Saudi Arabia is doing is wrong but this is how they are used to living their lives. change in their country must come soon. and no i haven't been promised to marriage of an “old goat just yet =P I'm kiddin i told you i will fall in love and marry the man i want to marry. my dad won't force me to marry i guy i barely know and have an arranged marriage. this isn't how things work around here. as for my externals i'm sitting for the Edexcel Board so they have a January session Wish me luck!

          • Beejj

            Think, Marian, and see the folly in what you wrote: “I was born Muslim.” No you weren't. You were born innocent of all knowledge and beliefs, just like the rest of us. Had you been born next door, you might have been “born” Catholic or Hindu, or whatever. You were indoctrinated from infancy into Islam. You had no say in the matter. You have been moulded to conform to the beliefs of others. What a criminal thing to do to the young mind! Never be blind to the malleability of the infant mind. As the Jesuits used to say, “Give me the child until the age of six, and I will give you the man.” Despite the fact that there exist people who come to religion in maturity, I will argue to my dying breath that the only reason religion thrives as it does is because of brainwashing of the innocents. It happened to me, too, although my parents were never hot gospellers, so the “lessons” (!!) I was taught never took deep root and I managed to escape religion's evil clutches and enter the realms of reason, free of fear of the fires of hell and, worse, the perfection of heaven. I can think of no greater debilitating baggage to carry through life than the suffocating burden of religion. It's not for me to tell you what to believe or disbelieve – I do not have that right – but I would implore you to think for yourself. It doesn't hurt! You might deem this to be neither here nor there, but, Newton aside, virtually all of the intellectual giants of the past few hundred years were atheists. I don't know about you, but I find that significant.

            I cannot agree with you when you dismiss the foul practices of the Saudis and the Taliban and others as being the results of anything other than Islam. I am not, and never will be, even remotely expert in the Koran, but it seems that to a greater extent than the Bible it is open to a broad spectrum of interpretations. This might be due to its having been written in ancient Arabic. The Saudis and the Taliban interpret it in such a way that the results are horrendous. Now, there must be something a wee bit shonky, or worse, about such a text.

            Good luck with your exams. Work your butt off and kick ass, as the Americans put it.

          • Marian

            Why is everything that muslims do is considered criminal?! I may have been born Hindu or Catholic but wouldn't my parents then would also want me to know more about my religion?! wouldn't that also be considered as “a crime against a young mind” and i disagree that religion is brainwashing of the mind. generally speaking about all religions they teach a human being to be better in life. to know why we exist. what's the point in living and dying! does it stop here or what. how could have all of this existed there must be someone responsible for such a perfection in the universe. religion help us to be kind and humane towards other people yet fight for what believe in. i won't convince anyone to change their religion or to become a Muslim, everyone has beliefs! Religion isn't evil it is a ccomfort for our souls. when something bad happens to you , you know that they've happened for a reason , as a test to see your faith in your religion and God. you know one of the things i was planning to do was read the Bible and the Talmud because they are too religions of God. there's nothing wrong with religion or beliefs when you think about it what is the purpose of living?!
            look, i can assure you that the Saudi Arabiansdo these things out of old traditional values in their country and soceity. why do you look only at one country , see the rest! Jordan for instance , where i come from there isn't a single woman that i know that have been opressed or been treated badly by a man. and in my point of view the world , once upon a time was fighting for the rights of women weren't they. all of the world had once had the thought that women weren't good enough and they founght for that and changed their cultural vies about women it seems to me that Saudi Arabia refuses to develope to that level . why? i honestly have no clue! there have been some bad treatments of women by men in Saudi Arabia i will not argue with that, but what about America as well? haven't ther got women abuse problem till this day? i'm telling you Arabs and Muslims are more than Saudi Arabians and Taliban

            and Thank You!! I sure will kick ass =D

          • Beejj

            Oh dear!

          • hellosnackbar

            Marian my dear,think a little more deeply about what Beej has argued vis a vis when is a Muslim created?
            Think about yourself and your circumstancesand ask yourself the question:
            How might Islam interfere with my freedom?
            For example if you're going into higher education what happens if you meet some “tasty”infidel chap who finds you equally tasty?(do you with a tinge of regret tell him that any association is impossible)
            I'm speaking from experience! I had a brief love affair with a fellow female student whose parents were what you might call reasonable Muslims;but the poor lamb was infused with angst from the beginning
            In the end we parted(she begged me to convert!);I considered that for a while but rejected it on the basis that
            I would never believe in what I still believe is arrant nonsense(read my posts!)
            Furthermore there would be an expectation that any future children would be brought up with an undeserved
            theological burden.
            I told her that if we were to marry then I was marrying her(and not her family!)
            Subsequently she married a Muslim;but three years later they divorced;and I heard that she finally deserted Islam and married an infidel.(and as far as I know still ).
            I wish you all the best with your career and would urge you to live a life of freedom unencumbered by the dead hand of Islam.

          • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

            “see the rest! Jordan for instance , where i come from there isn't a
            single woman that i know that have been opressed or been treated badly by a
            man”

            I would refer you to this and educate yourself a bit…

            http://infidelsarecool.com/jordan

          • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

            You're just a child. You've been indoctrinated from birth. I can't blame you. You have no clue what you're talking about. Honestly, you live in a little bubble.

            Hopefully one day you'll “open your eyes” as you put it and pay attention to the world around you. You may “think” there is nothing wrong with the ideology you worship, but there is, you just don't know about it.

            You just put up a wall and block it all out. Either that or you simply don't and won't pay attention out of denial.

            I'm curious as to what your father would say or do if you decided to leave Islam.

            For what it's worth, you probably are a decent person and a decent Muslim. I suspect everything you say is genuine and honest, however, you're too inexperienced to even know. I bet you don't know much about Muhammed except for what your parents and the local Imam has taught you.

            I implore you to keep an open mind and simply read through the site a bit. There is a category drop down box in the sidebar where you can break it down issue by issue. I suggest you start educating yourself.

          • Marian

            I will follow your advice about educating myself and learning more about what is going on. But i do think that you should do the same and if you want to get more educated about Islam or lets say the Arab world just as an observer i suggest that you read things posted on other web sites that just this one. because here it may show the truth in some cases but that is not what Islam or the Arabs is all about. try googling some other webs you might find out that we are human after all.
            as for leaving my religion i think it is hard for anyone to leave the religion that his whole life has been based upon since they were born. All of us are introduced to the world with our religion, we did not choose it but we were taught how to love it and trust in it. i always think to myself if i was born Christian will i convert to Islam but i guess i'll never know if i would . as for my parents i believe that any parent would be devestated to see their child convert to a different religion but they won't shoot me ! they will get upset and heart broken at first but i am sure that they love me and they want me to be happy . i may be as you say unexperienced and haven't explored the world and what potential it has just yet. but i still have time…lets hope i do
            =]

          • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

            LOL, I know all about Islam. I am the founder, owner, operator and author of this blog. There are almost 5000 posts about Islam over 3 years. Again, do a little research.

            “i think it is hard for anyone to leave the religion that his whole life has been based upon”
            Actually no it isn't. There are thousands of apostates many of whom are living under threats for their life for leaving Islam.

            Qur'an (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them”

            I encourage you to learn more about Apostasy under Islam. http://infidelsarecool.com/apostasy

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

            Gaza deserved to be attacked. Rockets attacks on Israel have been going on all year. The Palestinians voted in Hamas, do nothing to stop the rocket attacks and then they whine when Israel fights back. That is too damn bad. They have made their bed.

          • johnllll

            So how do you explain that the Israel army admitted that they actually broke the ceasefire and not Palestine. Come on airhead do some research and come back when you know history and facts. And by the way read a bit of the Jewish Talmud and you will see that the Bible and Quran are children stories compared to the sick racism and sexism of the Talmud. Remember they are the chosen people, Christians and Muslims are gentiles and free to exploit, enslave in debt, they even got rules for when it is unclean to have sex with a gentile boy!!! Read it airhead and wake up!!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/nilesmc nilesmc

            You are incorrect when you say the arab countries have been "attacked". The arabs threw the first punch, and the second, and third, and thousands more thereafter. When the Israelis fought back (rightfully, the same way you would rightfully try to fight back if I walked up to you and punched you several times until all your teeth were on the floor) it was a retaliation, not as you wrongfully claim, an attack.

            All muslims are terrorists. Those who sit back and do nothing while family members kill non-muslims are just as guilty. You are all scum.

          • johnllll

            So how do you explain that the first terror attack in Israel was committed by jews against British and Palestinian civilians at a hotel in Jerusalem in 1948. How do you explain that 100's of palenstinian civilians were sniped and killed in Palestine (or Israel if you like) between 1948 and 1951 with virtually no causalities among the jews?
            Israel has been and will always be the perpetrator in this conflict and had they not been so, we would live peacefully with most Muslims.

            I am historian and Ph.D. in Mid-East studies from Oxford, and you are definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

          • Beejj

            Um ……. please tell us about Mohammed Amin al-Husayni in the years before 1948. It's always a pleasure to read the words of a true scholar.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/lokelau lokelau

            Arab.w, we judge based on frenetic, hateful mohammedan protest marches, suicide bombers, bestial behavior towards all non-mohammedans, the stated intent to take over the world and force women into hefty-bags, the constant whines of victimization when you are the victimizers. Oh gee, the criminal behavior and looting as a form of protest along with the rape percentages increasing where ever these brutal people live. Only a fool would accept an invitation to dine in a mohammedan home. One cannot be assured of personal safety .

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/nilesmc nilesmc

      Let's see.

      A women is "worth" 1/2 of a man.
      Muhammed was a pedophile, thus he made pedophilia "o.k." in the eyes of God…& consumated his marriage to the 9 year old Aisha.

      Islam is not a religion, it is a sickness. A cancer. A malignant cancer that needs to be cut away and discarded into the trashcan of human history.

    • ender

      hey arab woman, go drive to the store by yourself and get me a pork chop. oh wait, you can't drive, you can't go out without a male relative (who is there to protect you from rape by the other enlightened muslims) and you can't eat pork. now that's freedom you can believe in.
      your lies wont work here, we are awake and many of us have seen your world first hand and it sucks.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

      Personally I do not care what offends you or any other Muslim. Muslims are constantly whining and the world is getting sick of it.
      Yea, manners like the oppression of Jew and Christians across the Islamic world.

  • cryingincanada

    You know you're in an arab country when…you look around and see nothing but unemployed males, kids with dynamite backpacks and women being strangled by their own brothers for being rape victims. Allah be praised for the religion of peace.

  • Joan

    You forgot the beheadings and the child bride forced marriages and sex with children.

  • Joan

    well, as neither a Jew nor a Muslim i can see things for what they are. I am not blinded one way or another so to speak.
    If Palestinians stopped launching their feeble but terrorising rockets into next doors back yard it WOULD all stop.
    The ball so to speak is in the Palestinian court.
    As for show some respect here i have no idea what you mean. The way i see it Israel are defending themselves, which we here in the UK have a right to do.
    Your opinion that Israel is not even a country, no matter if that is right or wrong, does not give Palestinians the right to launch rockets into their settlements.They are getting what they deserve,and bye the bye Happy New Year

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

      Joan, I believe I read in another blog that Palestinians are actually the rejects of the middle east. No other country wants them because of their war-mongering ways so they want to take Israel as their land. My info may be wrong, but I doubt it. Basically, if you call yourself a Palestinian, your just using the PC term for Terrorist.

      • Joan

        Jenny, they are terrorists and the ones that are not shield the one's that are, all tarred with the one brush.
        All wanting silly jihad and to take over the world.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

          The arab woman cries about the 40 children killed in retaliation strikes. Maybe if the terrorists wouldn't hide behind the kids, there would be less casualties. Maybe if they were real warriors instead of wanna-be soldiers

          • Joan

            There has just been a newsflash on here, a kindergarden nursery school hit by a Palestinian rocket, i hope these Muslims are going to suggest some jusice there then ?
            we wait and see. What will be suggested ?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

            Ah yes, Muslim Justice, what a wonderful thing (NOT)! Especially if you are a kaffir, then you're not even recognized as a human being, just a potential slave or enemy.
            I'm sure the Kindergarden that was hit was in Israel, according to the Muslims, the Jews deserve it! Of course, the rest of the world doesn't follow the silly logic of Muslims because our brain stems are still intact!

          • Joan

            Yes the report said it was in Israel, and a rocket had never got in that far before.
            well, all these Arab madame's so silent, what shall be the justice.

    • Arab Woman 3

      well it actaully matter if it is right or wrong because that is what the palestian case is all about !!! yous ure do have absolutely no idea what is going on!! and u sure do have some nerve coming here judging people by one person and u call us the third world!!! u know nothing about the world . you think that Jordan is a basketball but a matter of fact there is a country that is named JORDAN!!! so u come here with all of you cruel things to say about people u simply know nothing about . so it matters to whome ths land belongs because that is what they really fighting about. they israeli people are "claiming" that this is their land but it is all a conpiresy . and if u really look at it u r not that different from the palestians because since they are defending their country from the israeli army YOU are defending your country from this bomber who killled these innocent people. since u feel it is ur duty to defend ur country should we look at u from the perspective that u r a terrorist ????

      • Arab Women 3

        because that is what u consider us terrorists for defending the land of our great grandfathers. so do not live in this bubble that ur goverment and press have created for you do some RESEARCH . try to look at things in different way what would happen if someone intruded on ur land and made u look like a villian for defending you own country where u grew up in . please do not go around insulting people that u have never made juding them by two people that made the wrong decisions.
        please research the past and look at the history of those people and i can assure u that our religion doesn't involve killing people that haven't harmed us . those bombers are making wrong decions and presented our world in a different way.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

          An arab telling me to look at things in a different way, HA! You do it first and have all your buddies do it as well. Where's your proof that it's "your land", do you have a deed? That's what I thought bitches! Happy New Year! May Israel stand forever!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

          Another idiot Muslim claiming Palestine belonged to their grandfathers, when in fact there has NEVER been a palestine nor a people called "Palestinians". You talk about learning your history, where do you get your history from? The Koran? Try reading some actual history books, not the agenda of your local Imam.

        • Joan

          Intrusion on land ? i confronted you with the colonisation of the UK to which you twisted to your own agenda. Insulting people ?will that be like the email i got from a Muslim from here today telling me i will be dead sooner than i think.
          You fool no one.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

            Wow, that's jacked up Joan! That's called "terroristic threatening" in US schools and can lead to criminal charges. May you have a Happy New Year- stay away from the Muslims!

          • Joan

            Let them try it, lets see how they like finding themselves in court, it will certainly make a bleeding change, will it not ?
            Happy New Year.

          • hellosnackbar

            So Joan you've had death threats! and so have I.
            We death threatened, should create a club.
            However it's all part of the fun(visit Pat Condell's website and read the hundreds he's had).
            The literary syntax these lads use would have the scholars
            of our beautiful language reaching for the hemlock.

      • Joan

        well, arn't you ? if not do you not support them ? The age old twisters.

        • GIRL

          i reccomend that you open you tube and search for "dameer il 3arabi" and watch the five parts it shows u a brief glance of what is going on in palestine . u may never understand the words to the song because if u did u will not be feeling the same way u r feeling towards us . i am sorry for the loss of people that this bomber have caused in england and i completely assure u that it is not what we r based on because if we can get this war over with we would be more than happy since millions have been killed. please watch the videos if u have the time and think about it when a young girl is saying i have no hope in this life there is no longer a reason for me to live if i have to live like this (and by tht she dsnt mean thatshe's gonna bomb her self up) because she has no dreams that can be accomplished no more goals in life no life at all watch the movie and tell me what u think

          • Joan

            I am sorry Girl, but no. In my opinion this particular board is really for adults. I will not be replying to you again

          • mammamia!!<3

            if its for adult you wouldnt be here!!
            as you have a miond of a baby!!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

        Times like these is when the true antisemitism bleeds from the average Muslim heart. I haven't heard one Muslim group defending Israel during this conflict. How can a Muslim call themselves moderate yet support Hamas, who the whole world knows is an evil terrorist organization that wants Israeli Genocide.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

        Jordan isn't a basketball, he's a basketball player you fool and yes I am fully aware of Jordan in the Middle East. I know what the hell I'm talking about- you're the one with the English problem. Oh, and as far as the middle east is concerned, yes I am a terrorist!

        • Arab Woman 3

          do u have any idea about the history of Palestine . when u do then start discussing the issue other than that don't even talk about it and it is really good that a girl my age is fully aware of the problems and issues taking place all over the world while girls my age in your country are concerned about things that have no meaning in this life and u know what I am talking about Michael Jordan sorry if I missed a few words is that what u r really worried about hahahahaha WOW!!!!!

          • Joan

            Arab woman 3, it is good as a girl you are taught something other than be a sex slave to an older man. However the issue with Palestine is the terror one, not the land of your so called great grandfathers day, in the age of the peodophile prophet Mohammed.
            The issue of the afterlife is an interesting one, however in order for the Muslim men to achieve paradise and the reward of 72 virgins, entails murdering innocent non combatant civilians.
            Perhaps you should be preparing for your submissive marriage ?
            You give yourself the title of Arab WOMAN then you say you are a girl ?
            perhaps your husband should be checking your computer ?

          • Arab Woman3

            you have absolutely no idea what u are talking about !!!!! even if i was just a girl here it has different terms which u knw nothong about are u afraid of that someone like me can dicuss an issue like this with a man ur age and knows so much about what is going on .
            do some research about the arab women or GIRLS!! then come and talk to me because i am capable of discussing this subject with a 60 year old man and still know more than he or any of u ever will . go back to the facts. and i am both a woman and a girl

    • GAZA <3

      since u r neither a muslim nor a jew take a peek and this link and look for what this man is saying
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAvW-vQSR14

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    I absolutely know the difference between an Arab and a muslim. Arab Christians almost NEVER call themselves Arabs, they self identify by nationality (i.e. Lebanese, Jordanian, Syrian, etc…). I have also spent 5 years in an "Arab country". I also finished school, and am still continuing my education to this day.

    • Yara

      wow you really are very ignorant. Arab christians dont call themselves Arabs?! HAHA…many of my close friends in Jordan and Arab Christians and they are they are more proud to be an arab than i am!

  • Ann.

    This is pure bullshit , how about you do your research before posting something.. Ignorant people.

  • ISHI BI5ZI!

    Very well…this debate is rather intersting in my opinion! I am an Arab too, and I feel it is impossible that we agree upon the same beleifs! You americans will always stick to the same old stereotypes and will always jump into conclusions whenever a terriorist attack takes place "it's Arabs" "It's Muslims" I mean come on! And we will always beleive that it is YOU who are trying to attack everyone and take over the world and get into everybody's business! Keep this in mind…Palestine IS a country as it was for centuries now and will always be an Arab country wheather you like it or not and it will eventually return to its rightful owners! One more thing…..go watch a docummantry called "loose change" and I am pretty sure things will be much clearer regarding the incident you're going on and on about!

  • Joan

    There is one thing wrong with your answer to me.
    I am a British citizen living in the UK.

  • Joan

    what did you have for breakfast ? I had bacon and eggs, and i cooked a large juicy gammon steak for my son.

  • Joan

    ender, i have pork pie or gammon for tea, and mustard, shall i have the pie or the gammon ?
    I also have a dinner plate with a Mohammed image on it.

  • Arab Women

    you are so shallow!!
    when you were told that women werent aloud to drive and that they have to be accompaiened by men ..werent you told that that was only in Saudi Arabia!!! all of the other arab countries have women rights and are not closed minded as you think!!
    just do your reseach and dont generelise!!
    you know NOTHING about us!!

    if we are what you think we are how come we are sitting here by our free will talking to you!! with no supervision..educated ..talking in a secound language!!
    now your just idiotic!!

  • xohs

    then how come we are more civilized!!
    at least we have our dignity!! we dont have as much teen age pregnancy and we all have good relationships!!
    just shut the hell up!!

  • Arab Women

    first of all, we all honor jesus christ and our relegoin taught us to do so!!
    secound of all we are not tryng to push anything of you , we have our beliefs and you have yours and that not our problem.
    our only problem is that you dont understand our beliefs and you suddenly judge!! how can you judge or comment on somthing that you do not understand!!

  • arabz<3

    please watch a documantry called ziegest!!!
    9/11 was all planned by the american state!!
    i mean come on how can a plane suddenly dissappear!!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

      Suddenly there's a HUGE Muslim "truther" movement. They just LOVE the idea that America or Jews planned 9-11. A scapegoat they can believe in. tThey'll believe anything they read as long as it's anti-American/Anti-Semite

  • Joan

    ender,
    can i invite you and all my non Muslim friends to this site please.You will see tolerance a plenty.

    http://www.almoltaqa.ps/english/

  • zeenah

    So you do acknowledge the other information…
    IMMPRESSIVE!!

  • Joan

    I merely want it flooded with non muslims, like you are flooding this.
    If we are not allowed to post on that, then my arguement will be you should not be allowed to post on this.

  • Joan

    The information about loose change i do not acknowledge, and until i am allowed to post on yyou are a child so should not be included. Now that is my last word to you.our forum you should not be answered by me. You have more than one name, which is not allowed, and also i have repeatedly told you ,

  • Joan

    I intend to flood this forum, as Muslims are flooding this. Now since i am not allowed to post here as i am non muslim, why are muslims allowed to post here ?
    Also the age of the posters are really not suitable.

  • Joan

    I agree they are the scum of the earth

  • Joan

    Now what makes you think i have the mind of a baby ? Because i don't agree with you maybe ? Now what could it be then, i ask myself, perhaps it could have been picking my way through body parts on the underground, no maybe not, maybe i was just born like that, perhaps i have been brainwashed then.

  • Joan

    Islam is more of a political movement that needs outlawing in the western world. Until such times as we recognise Islam is not a religion but a political movement the cancer will spread.
    Islam needs to be outlawed the Mosques taken down and all trace removed.

  • ISLAM <3

    and as a matter of fact we are even more civilized that u r because u beleive that u r making a stement and looking like a hero by mocking other religions??? tell me one time in all of those comments that me and my friends ever said something about christianity and Judaism . go back look for the difference between Israel and Judism . then u will have and idea about what is really going on. and stop mocking and attcking people's beliefs because u have nothing to say about the real issue . DO SOME RESEARCH DUDE. look for the truth , the real events that are taking place and speak you mind without crossing the line on others beleifs .

  • Joan

    I am a christian, so once i saw what this was i did not see it to the end.
    I am not interested in converting to Islam, i do not want to, and therefore do not wish to take a "peek" at what i consider a false God religion.
    You are wasting your time with me, you can preach until hell freezes over, i am staying put.
    The difference between me and you is obvious, i keep my religion to myself, in saying that, it is there and important to me.I would rather die than to dent Christ, now i hope that is clear enough for you.
    To put it another way, you can shove it.

  • Joan

    Speaking of being civilised, or more so than anyone else, does anyone know if Ken Bigley's headless body was ever found or not ? Now in my opinion that was crossing the line, who agrees with me ?

    • Hellosnackbar

      Exactly Joan

  • Joan

    Yes, very well, so they were soldiers, well, now i have heard it all.
    You mention Iraq, i see, no mention of that small incident on september 11th 2001 i think was the date, it had something to do with Muslims, now what was it ? I must be remembering that date for some reason, can you say why then ?

    • Yara

      Yeah you know what september 11th was unfortunate and i can tell you right now that not all arabs and muslims supported that like me for instance. but of course this site being as biasedas it is and the people commenting being as racists as you are would say that all arabs and muslims are to blame for it. but because of september 11th the U.S. just invades Iraq for no reason what so ever? ohhhh wait there was a reason! oil!!! yeah thats it. please u.s. doesnt give a shit about any arab country let alone care about if they have democracy or not.

  • Joan

    Sounds like Britney Spears

    A man my age ?

  • Arab Women

    who told you we are muslims!!!
    this is exactly how you judge based on nothing!!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    The only other possibility is that you're an indoctrinated leftist which would make sense since the totalitarian Islamic agenda goes hand in hand with the leftist marxist commie agenda.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    how bout you do some research before commenting. You don't have clue what's BS and what is not.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

      Yeah it is pure bullshit, what Arabs do in their countries, in regards to human rights, racism, child abuse, and terrorism.

  • Joan

    I do not debate with children, they are so tiresome, stamping their little feet until they get heard.

  • Joan

    Well, i would say Muslims, as one of them put a You Tube link up of a christian man converting to Islam, that is rather a give away do you not think ?

  • Arab Women

    so it is a possibility we are muslims.. but we may be not!!
    thats exactly what im talking about !!
    and now i know you know you'r wrong about everything yu said previously!!

  • Joan

    I do not understand the English in ths message. sorry.

  • Joan

    I do not understand your English. Sorry.

  • Arab <3

    woow this is interesting!!!!
    to the admin of this blog,
    how on earth are you saying that racism wont be tolerated where in fact you are the racist!!!! this whole blog is racist and the fact that you are deleting all our comments indicates that we are right and you just can't handle it!!!! well the truth will eventually be revelaed and palestine will return to it's rightful owners THE PALESTINIANS that is!!! Delete this comment and you will be proving me right (and i know i'm right)

    PROUD ARAB&MUSLIM

    • javi

      the Philistines are to be identified as one of the "Sea Peoples, the Philistines formed part of the great naval confederacy, the "Sea Peoples," who had wandered, at the beginning of the 12th century BC, from their homeland in Crete and the Aegean islands to the shores of the Mediterranean and repeatedly attacked Egypt, in 70 AD TITUS displaced the hebrews (jews) and changed the name of JUDEA to Philistine in honor of the jews enemies. The so called today palestinians are a in reality transjordans and syrians. The arabs arrived to JUDEA after the 7th century when the MUSLIMS conquered Jerusalem and thus the crusaders began.

    • Beej.

      Why are your proud? What have Muslims achieved over the past thousand years? The achievements of the Jews are legion, but Muslims?????

      • buge

        You hate muslims so much do you? I can answer your questions.
        Al-Gebra(algebraic), Al-Chemi (chemical), and astronomy. The Quran mention about supernova by the way. When your scientist were exiled by the church for saying earth is not flat and earth is just like a giant ball, the arab muslim scientists were free to saying that. If you hate muslims so much, why muslims go to meka? to respect and admire the prophet Arbraham (or Ibrahim in muslims) in seeking God. Why the muslims and Quran mention to respect and admire Yesus as a prophet? Because he teaching love.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

      yes they done this to my message as well ,good luck to you. see

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      that was one thousand years in my print off…sorry!! i have been told it is ok to be anti-muslim but to leave the site because i am against the jewish action, sorry that you must censor the truth…so yes i will leave this PRIVATE SITE AS THEY CALL IT…it is sad that people must be fed the one message to suit the moderator , but that has always been the way in so called free socities.

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      that was one thousand years in my print off…sorry!! i have been told it is ok to be anti-muslim but to leave the site because i am against the jewish action, sorry that you must censor the truth…so yes i will leave this PRIVATE SITE AS THEY CALL IT…it is sad that people must be fed the one message to suit the moderator , but that has always been the way in so called free socities.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

        I am curious, what are you trying to express here? And I second Beej, you need not leave. Just because we mock your opinions does not mean you are not welcome to express them freely. Just as we have the right to insult the pedophile Muhammad, you have the right to counter argue. All we ask is that you do so with facts, not islamomumbojumbo.

        • Yara

          ohh and you know for a fact that Muhammad was a pedophile do you? were you alive during his time and did you witness his pedophilic acts? how about you enlighten us with these facts of yours since you seem to be so full of knowledge!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

            Considering it is in the books muslims use to justify violent jihad, yes, I know for a fact. Can you prove otherwise?

    • m.robinson

      It is impossible to be racist about muslims as islam is not a race, it is an ideology.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    WAAAA! Are you done crying? Muslims are the most racist people in the world! Yall make the Klan look like Boy Scouts with your incessant "holier than thou" attitudes.
    Lets see, the history of Palestine….a bunch of tacky extremist Muslims who couldn't get along with anyone in any other country decided to steal land and call it Palestine. There it is in a nutshell darlin!

    • Yara

      ive got an idea..how about you go and do some research before writing stuff on here that is completely untrue. Palestine was always for the Palestinians it had different rulers..and it was Britain who decided to give Palestine to the Jews so it wasnt a "bunch of tacky extremist Muslims" that stole Palestine it was a bunch of restless Jews that couldnt get along with any other country that took it by force and violence.

      • Beej

        Yara, once again I am unable to find your message to me on this site, although I read it via email. Most irritating! Of course I have not read the Qu'ran, although I have dipped my toes into it (without washing my feet) to look up references to Jews and wife-beating. I wonder how many Moslems have read it (or Christians the New Testament, for that matter). Religion disgusts me. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." (Pascal.) "All religions are founded on the fear of the many and the cleverness of the few." ( Stendhal.) "I count religion but a childish toy/And hold there is no sin but ignorance." (Marlowe.) You say that Islam wants people to be educated, but educated in WHAT? Is it as enthusiastic about the education of girls as it is of boys? Do you believe that mullahs who have so much influence over the thinking of their followers can lay claim to a sophisticated secular education? Why are there so few Arab academics on the world stage, while university chairs overflow with Jews? But we are quibbling; sparring over matters of secondary importance. Don't say I claim to be an expert on Islam, for I do not, am not, and never shall be. Yet, I am aware of aspects of your religion that disgust me, for it has produced more than a milliard people who are enslaved, it encourages its adherents to kill infidels and to be confident of heavenly reward should they die when they murder, and it instils in the male mind that women are inferior. I actually laughed aloud when you said I seem to think Moslems have a problem with Jews. You mean they haven't? Gosh, silly me! Violent Israelis? Just leave them alone; let them get on with the business of living and enriching the world. When are you guys going to learn that you mess with the Jews at your peril? The spirit of Masada burns incandescently in them, and there quite a few of us Gentiles who back them to the hilt. Not because of their Judaism; because they are Jews.

        • Yara

          if youre so obessed with jews then why dont you go become one. i find it very hypocritical when you talk about how religion "disgusts" you but you seem to praise Judaism so much. "not because of their Judaism..but because they are Jews". hmm theyre jews because of their Judaism as muslisms are called muslims because of their Islam. i dont know and i dont care why youre completely obsessed with Jews but like i said, Arabs well you know what i wont talk about all arabs as a whole il leave that categorizing up to you but as far as I go i dont have a problem with Jews. the problem is with israeli's and israelis and jews are not the same thing.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

          i yara, you sent me two comments but they SHOULD not be for me, i was told to leave this site BECAUSE i agree with the muslims!!!!!!!!!! i have not commented since, but i had to come back just to let you know i DO NOT LIKE JEWS, THEY ARE THE MAIN CAUSE OF WARS FOR CENTUARIES , FURTHER MORE I HAVE READ THE BIBLE AND THE KORAN AND I RESPECT MUHAMED….AND THE KORAN IS THE ONLY BOOK THE JEWS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CORRUPT, FURTHER MORE THE ENGLISH KINGS MARRIED CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS 4 YEARS OLD….SO AMERICANS ARE THE SEEDS OF THE ENGLISH RULE ..SO DO NOT LET THEM TELL YOU DIFFERENT …THERE CHRISTIAN MINISTERS AND PRIESTS ARE ALL DOING CHILDREN EVEN TODAY..I HOPE I HAVE PUT THE RECORD STRAIGHT AS I WILL NOT BE BACK, ALLA BE WITH YOU.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

        Why don't you go hang out on an Islamic site where you belong?

    • Beej

      Jennyjen, I just received notification of your kind message to me (by email), but for some reason I am unable bring it up on the screen so that I might respond accordingly. My expertise with computers is, alas, on a par with a Muslim's ability to use reason or his inability to not salivate upon seeing a little girl. Anyway, I hope you receive this brief missive. I am an admirer of your trenchant contributions to this site and your matchless ability to raise Muslim ire. You, too, must keep up the good work. Keep in touch.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

      I JUST HAD TO FIX THESE MISTAKES……….Lets see, the history of Palestine….a bunch of tacky extremist JEWS who couldn't get along with anyone in any other country decided to steal land and call it ISREALThere it is in a nutshell darlin! NOW MY SPELLING IS VERY BAD, BUT AT LEAST I AM HONEST, IT WAS THE JEWS WHO WERE THROWN OUT OF COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD…NOT THE MUSLIMS….LETS KEEP THE DEBATE HONEST. FINALLY WHY SHOULD THE PALESTINIANS SHARE THERE LAND WITH INVADERS, WE PRAISED THE FRENCH RESISTANCE…WHY DO WE NOT BACK THE PALESTINIAN RESISTANCE???? THEY MUST NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHT.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

        The reason muslims are not thrown out of countries they infest is because we are too politically correct as a society, and we also know that muslims react with violence when their cult is even questioned, so one can imagine the reaction to mass deportations.

        As for the history of Palestine, come on, you can do better than that, at least come up with some original lie! Everyone who paid attention in World History I knows the land called Palestine was named thusly by the Romans after they conquered Judea. Israel is the manifestation of the Jews' homecoming, NOT invasion. If anyone has invaded it is muslims. The muslims invaded Egypt, Morocco, Chad, Sudan, Kenya, Afghanistan, India, Jordan, Assyria, Libya, Mauritania, Lebanon, Spain, Portugal, Cyprus, and several others. By the logic you are using, the indigenous people not exterminated, dhimmified or converted by force to islam are within their rights to bomb mosques, shoot up madrassas, and kidnap muslim occupiers.Those are all things Palestinians are doing to the Israelis, in ISRAELI lands.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

      They are just a bunch of weaklings who cannot take any criticism.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    How are we racist? don't bean idiot. I have never said anything racist at any point on this blog. You a freaking moron if you think criticizing Islam is racist. Guess what? Islam is not a race, it's an ideology and we are critical of the ideals and values of it. It's an inhumane ideology… period.

  • Arab <3

    are you done??!! i'm glad you all let it out of your system!! you can keep on attacking muslims and arabs and honestly we dont give a rat's a** what you think or what are your views towards us!!! and just a reminder: palestine belongs to the arabs like it has been for years its the jews who decided that its time for them to have a country of their own and then came attacking palestine!!! darling you got it all backward…period!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    Guess what beotch? I don't give two sh#ts and a good f*ck what you or any other bassakwards Muslim thinks about me or my country! All you really need to know is 1) the US is badass 2) we will never allow Islam to rule our country and 3) this country will smoke your everlovin terrorist asses shall you try anything like 9/11 again. You can bet that sh#t up DARLIN….

    • Yara

      racist much? dude, how do you not get beat up on a daily basis? who else do you hate? blacks? asians? how about people who believe in hinduism?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

        I hope you don't think you're being original by calling me a racist. My reply is "it takes one to know one". Just because I don't believe in giving people special treatment because of thier skin color or nationality does not make me racist, it makes me equal opportunity. Arabs/Muslims promote violence and anyone who promotes violence can get dealt with thru violence.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

      all that swearing is proof you do not know anything but rant, 9/11 was not carried out by muslims , it was jews who where told not to be in the building, it was jews who cashed out there airplane shares days before, and so far three of the dead muslim hyjackers have turned up alive…you do not have freedom of information the jews control that..as for freedom of speech how LOUD can you shout…street marches are loud but mot effective…. the british gave palestine to the jews as there final solution….europe did not want another jewish controled germany situation in case it was england….so we gave our problems to the muslims, the truth hurts, but you did destroy the native american indians to steal your land , so you believe jews have the same right. .dhaddid.did.terrorists

  • Arab <3

    it's funny how you keep avoiding to admitt that palestine belongs to the arabs!! okay then its settled we dont care what you think and you dont care what we think…but the main reason behind the wrongdoings of the US and Israel is that they are intimidated by our religion!!! You can go on and on saying we're terrorists but you tell me who's the terrirost when palestine was a peaceful country at some point and then the jews started claiming it belongs to them!!!!! Israel is not even a country its called palestine "beotch". And regarding 9/11 well i think you should think twice or maybe three or four times with you ignorant American brain before you speak (and btw americans are well known for their ignorance :D ) anyhow there is this docummantary called "loose change" go watch it….it has all the facts and it has proof that neither muslims nor arabs had ANYTHING to do with it….it is your ignorance which makes you relate any terrorist attack to arabs while in fact you are not aware of what is really going on!!!!

    • Beej.

      Palestine belongs to the Arabs? Tell me: when did the Palestinian passport come into existence? After the Israeli one, agreed? Might this fact have some significance? Since you recommend people watching that documentary, allow me to suggest that you read the book "The Haj", by Leon Uris. (Ah, but he was Jew, wasn't he? Yes, as were Einstein and Feynman and Born and Bohr and Gell-Mann and Lasker and Rubinstein and ……………. the list is long). Terrorist attacks on Arabs? You mean non-Arabs strapping explosives to children's bodies? Gosh, I seem to have missed that, but you will no doubt supply the details. Or do you refer to uniformed troops trying to quell the rocket attacks of cowardly murderers who have not the courage to fight in accordance with internationally agreed conduct, but hide in civilian centres to perform their deeds of heroism? Don't pretend your hatred of Jews stems from Zionism: it was established many, many centuries ago, due, perhaps to your entirely deserved inferiority complex.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/RANDJA57 RANDJA57

      arab you are so full of sh*t bitch Hopefully Israel will kill every hamas member it can find…. Islam as I can see it will never find a middle ground with the jewish people. Jews do not walk into crowded places with bombs strapped to their bodies and kill women and children. Fu*k Palestine, Fu*k hamas…..

    • javi

      The original philistines were not arabs or muslims, they were descendents of the Aegean islands.the Philistines are to be identified as one of the "Sea Peoples, the Philistines formed part of the great naval confederacy, the "Sea Peoples," who had wandered, at the beginning of the 12th century BC, from their homeland in Crete and the Aegean islands to the shores of the Mediterranean and repeatedly attacked Egypt, in 70 AD TITUS displaced the hebrews (jews) and changed the name of JUDEA to Philistine in honor of the jews enemies. The so called today palestinians are a in reality transjordans and syrians. The arabs arrived to JUDEA after the 7th century when the MUSLIMS conquered Jerusalem and thus the crusaders began. by that time the JEWS had occupied JUDEA for the past 3000 years!! when muslims stop loving death more than their children that's when we would have peace

  • Arab <3

    and i dont shut up darling….you go around preaching freedom of speech….welll hate to break it to you honey i come from a country where people actually discuss issues and disagree and everyone can give their opinion!!!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/RANDJA57 RANDJA57

    Arab woman if you are one,I for one never use the word ARAB , I simply say islamic terrorist , I know not all Arabs are terrorist. And while its true Saudi Arabia does treat its women as second class citizens out front many others are worse as far as we can see. Until all of Islam condemns the actions of all extremist, they will find themselves being blamed just as those who commit the acts of terror….

  • jhon

    Seriously you should get your information from channels besides Fox news,,, if in your opinion Arabs are "the scum of the earth" the you have the same sick mentality Hitler had against the Jews!

  • Arab.w

    Exactly…
    Thank You

  • Joan

    And would that be the same sick mentality Hamas and Palestine also have against the Jews then ?
    You know the get out of our land or we will kill you all thing ?

    • Yara

      that mentality youre talking about would be Israel's.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/RANDJA57 RANDJA57

    IF YOU READ MY POST PROPERLY YOU'D SEE THAT I SAID EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF YOUR CLAIM. JOHN READ IT AGAIN THEN APOLOGIZE

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    Wrong, it's you're radical ideology that quietly supports what Hitler did. Admit it…

  • Joan

    Would it be the same as Palestinians refusing to aknowledge Israel has the right to exist ?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    I never told you to shut up darlin, I told you I don't care what you or a million like you think. I live in the US- where women are equal to men and freedom of speech is sacred. So a dumb little beotch like you can say whatever you want but just remember one thing…..an ass-kickin Southern girl like myself can as well. Keep enjoying freedom of speech, you can bet your ass that I will continue to enjoy mine.
    You say you come from a country where people actually discuss issues, disagree and voice thier opinions, me too. We are blessed. In Saudi Arabia a person cannot own a bible, in Pakistan a person dies for converting to Christianity, homosexuals are persecuted throughout the Middle East and it's all in the name of Islam. So what if you think homosexuality is wrong, personally don't agree with it myself. I do agree with free will and the pursuit of happiness. I believe in judge not lest you be judged yourself and ye without sin cast the first stone.
    You Muslims are always ready to judge but every last one of you fails to judge your own actions.

    • Yara

      Excuse me "Jennyjen". I am an Arab-American and i cannot believe that im reading the shit youre saying. I'm ashamed to know that people like actually think the way you do. youre sitting her preaching about how muslims are judgemental but look at yourself?! umm why dont you read what you said "You Muslims are always ready to judge" i think YOU just judged and categorized all Muslims as judgemental. you actually said that you think all muslims should be put out on a rail and RAN OVER?! its people like you who make the world as violent as it is. you dont know the first thing about Islam. all you know is what the American media portrays of Islam you dont see what it truly is. I have seen it from both sides and i know what im talking about.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

        Yara, you can't believe the shit I'm saying? I can't believe in the healing powers of camel piss so I guess that makes us even. I'm proud to be from the South, it lets everyone know that I will put up with little to no bullshit.
        "ran out on a rail" basically means "get rid of those assholes quick", not ran over. The American media portrays Muslims exactly as they want to be portrayed- AS VICTIMS. It's sites like IAC that expose the hate mongerers for what they truly are.

        • Yara

          Victims? shyeah right. ill tell you what they show in the media…they show arabs bombing themselves up and show all the bad things that they do but they dont show the hundreds of them being shot dead, the thousands of them being removed from their homes. they dont show Israeli's holding them at gunpoint or shooting a man and his baby boy for walking in the street. they show the funeral of ONE israeli soldier and then mention by passing the hundreds of Palestinian civillians who have died. Thats what the US media portrays, and it is far from showing them as being VICTIMS. so i think that YOU and KAL are the ones who need to be thinking about you say before saying it.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

            I think Kal pretty much covered it. Instead of trying to change our minds, why don't you go out and change the actions of the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims? After all, actions speak louder than words.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

        Yara,

        I am an American of Latino ancestry (there is no dual nationality in my mind, I am American only, not Hispanic American, Mexican American or Latin American. Just American, thank you) living in the middle east. You know what I can't believe? I can't believe Arabs are allowed to go on TV and say it is OK to kill Israeli children because they grow up to be IDF. I can't believe Arabs preach hate in their mosques. I can't believe Arabs still have a thriving slave industry (day laborers paid 75 bucks a month to work 12 hour days 7 days a week is tantamount to slavery). I can't believe Arabs willingly strap bombs onto themselves, mentally handicapped women, and children, and detonate them among innocent people. I can't believe Arabs kill their own daughters/sisters/mothers over SUSPECTED behavior they think "dishonors" their family. I can't believe Arabs use civilians as human shields, then cry foul whenever those human shields die as a result of a retaliatory strike (see Hamas, Hizbullah, AQI, and any other jihadist group who hides their weapons in mosques, hospitals, and schools).' It is most certainly NOT people like Jennyjen making this world violent, because I have not seen her or any of her kin in the news for blowing themselves up, shooting up a seminary (Arabs did that in 2008),hijacking planes (Arabs again), strapping bomb vests onto teenage girls (Arabs again!! Are you seeing a pattern here?) for the purpose of killing a soldier they know they cannot defeat in combat.

        Everything I mention I have either seen in person, seen on al Jazeera/al Manar/al Nahar/al Watani. What have you seen in the United States to compare to that? And don't you dare blame all that on "American foreign policy" as we all know here that Arabs were comitting atrocities as bad or worse than any listed a thousand years BEFORE the US existed. No offense meant, but seriously, think about what you are saying before you say it.

        • Yara

          Im going to repeat what i said before. I AM NOT PROUD OF EVERYTHING THAT MUSLIMS/ARABS DO. BUT that does not mean that Israel is excused for what they are doing. are you seriously going to sit here and tell me all the bad shit that muslims/arabs do and not even look at the other side of the coin? The whole honor killing thing being "suspected" of doing something is not something i back up at all. youre looking at what you see on tv and acts commited by a PORTION of Arabs not by all arabs so dont go categorizing all arabs as that because not all arabs strap bombs around their waists and blow people up. If you want to say that youre just American thats youre business but theres a part of me that is arab that just doesnt go away like the latino part of you that is always there you can call yourself whatever you want thats besides the point. ohh and i cant believe israelis go on tv and feed people a whole bunch of bullshit saying that theyre trying to kill hamas and theyre not in an way trying to attack civilians.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/RANDJA57 RANDJA57

        NO ALL ISLAM SHOULD BE OVER RUN. YOU SAID ISRAEL HIDES BEHIND TANKS AND AIRPLANE, AT LEAST THEY DONT HID BEHIND WOMEN AND CHILDREN, OR IN A MOSQUE OR SCHOOL….. PERHAPS AS IF THEY WHERE MEN AND MET ON THE FIELD OF BATTLE. THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT…… TILL THEN THEY ARE JUST MURDEROUS FILTHY TERRORIST …….. AND IF YOU SUPPORT THAT THEN ..YYOU ARE NO BETTER

      • Beej

        Been to Saudi Arabia recently, Yara? All those women driving cars and dressing as they wish? Women having equal rights in courts? Women boarding aeroplanes freely without male escort? Have you read to-day's proclamation by a senior Saudi Muslim cleric that paedophilia is acceptable, and that marriage to 10 year-old girls is fine? Are you happy with the fact that all the women of Muslim Mali have been genitally mutilated? You are, I see, "Arab-American", so you live far from your downtrodden sisters. The great country in which you live and from which you draw sustenance will do all in its power to protect you from injustice, regardless of your religion, but no doubt you consider it to be The Great Satan, as your filthy co-religionists call it. I dare you to emigrate to Saudi Arabia, but say good-bye to that sensitive little spot if you do. I am, of course, assuming you are female, but I might be mistaken. Given the valour of Muslim men, it's sometimes difficult to distinguish between men and women.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

        THEY ARE REAL GOOD AT STOPPING THE TRUTH ON THIS SITE.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/RANDJA57 RANDJA57

    Arab woman if you are one,I for one never use the word ARAB , I simply say islamic terrorist , I know not all Arabs are terrorist. And while its true Saudi Arabia does treat its women as second class citizens out front many others are worse as far as we can see. Until all of Islam condemns the actions of all extremist, they will find themselves being blamed just as those who commit the acts of terror….

    JOHN
    WHERE IN THIS POST DID I CALL ALL ARABS TERRORIST, THE ONLY PEOPLE I WOULD COMPARE TO HITLER ARE THE ISLAMIC EXTREMIST…… MY RADICAL IDEOLOGY, WHAT IS THAT ? i SIMPLY THINK THAT IF MUSLIMS THAT DONT CONDEMN EXTREMIST ARE DOOMED TO BE LABELED TERRORIST ALSO. IF THAT MAKES MY "IDEOLOGY" RADICAL THEN SO BE IT. MAYBE A VALIUM WOULD MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER AND CALM YOU DOWN….. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED FOR THEIR INTENT IS TO TAKE MY LIFE AND MY WAY OF LIFE , ME BEING AN INFIDEL (SO CALLED) I WOULD JUST AS SOON SEE THEM ALL IN HELL…..

  • Jhon

    Palestinians refuse to acknowledge Israel's existence on their land!! There is a difference!!!

    • Walter Lane

      It was never their land. Those that you call Palestinians are expats from Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. They moved to what the Romans named Palestine when the Jews started to bring jobs to the region. The land that the Jews occupy was either bought from Arab estate-holders or actually won through conquest over invading armies of superior firepower. And, in case you didn't notice, Israel has given much of that land back in exchange for a peace that has never taken place.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/RANDJA57 RANDJA57

    JENNY , I HAVE NOT REPLIED TO ANY OF YOUR POSTS ONLY JOHNS I AM NOT A MUSLIM THIS CAME TO ME EMAIL WAS IT TO ME OR SOMEONE ELSE, CAUSE AFTER READING IT THIS OHIO BOY WANT TO JOIN YOUR TEAM….. IF IT WASN,T TO ME THEN SORRY…..

    I never told you to shut up darlin, I told you I don't care what you or a million like you think. I live in the US- where women are equal to men and freedom of speech is sacred. So a dumb little beotch like you can say whatever you want but just remember one thing…..an ass-kickin Southern girl like myself can as well. Keep enjoying freedom of speech, you can bet your ass that I will continue to enjoy mine. You say you come from a country where people actually discuss issues, disagree and voice thier opinions, me too. We are blessed. In Saudi Arabia a person cannot own a bible, in Pakistan a person dies for converting to Christianity, homosexuals are persecuted throughout the Middle East and it's all in the name of Islam. So what if you think homosexuality is wrong, personally don't agree with it myself. I do agree with free will and the pursuit of happiness. I believe in judge not lest you be judged yourself and ye without sin cast the first stone. You Muslims are always ready to judge but every last one of you fails to judge your own actions.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    Exactly when was the world plagued with Islam? 690 AD according to history. That's 690 years after the life and death of Jesus Christ. I'm not a Jew, I'm not familiar with thier timeline so I'm not gonna try to bullshit my way along. I'll leave that to you and the rest of the Muslims- the ability to spew complete bullshit and believe it to the point of insanity seems to be a trait inherent to Muslims (don't forget the art of suicide bombings). __Americans are intimidated by Islam you argue. That's why we allow Muslims freedom of religion and every other God-given right. Personally, I think you all ought to be ran out on a rail and if you refuse to leave or try to return the penalty will be death. I'm a little extreme but Muslims have not earned my respect and I doubt any of you ever will. __Western advancements in technology and education (just to name 2) intimidates Islam. Muslim Scholars and Imams are scared shitless of Western civilization (hence the terrorism). Islam thrives on illiteracy and intimidation tactics because taking advantage of the weak instead of helping them is what Islam does.

    • Yara

      a "little" extreme? dont kid yourself. you dont know the first thing about Islam so why dont YOU stop spewing up complete bullshit. how do you expect any Muslim or Arab to even think about your point of view when youre just lashing out at them and completely insulting ALL muslims and Arabs. you know what i was taught? in AMERICA..i was taught that racism and discrimination is unacceptable. apparently, you were taught the complete opposite.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    Randja57, that reply was for the crazy, ranting and seriously diluted arab. Glad you dig it!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    Joan, I think I heard a hammer hitting a nail square on the head. Absolutely brilliant!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LilPete LilPete

    well why not give the Palestinians the land they inhabit and let them rule themselves, then no one is fighting over who controls what, split the gaza strip top half to israel or how ever they want to split it and move on . this war has been going on since before i was born and im not a young person, both sides clearly have issues with each other but those can be sorted once the land has been divided

    • jhon

      It's not this simple!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

      Pete, you need to read a history book. Israel DID give land back, on several occasions they have offered more. And in response the Gazans fire rockets, suicide bomb, hijack planes and go on bulldozer jihads. This is NOT an issue of land. It is about Israel's right to exist. You say you are not young, yet you seem ignorant of important issues…

    • javi

      By the way if hamas said that they are not scare of dying, well then the jews are making their process faster!! where are the muslims rallies when muslims in iraq, turkey, egypt kill the coptic christians, and assyrian christians????____muslims are the only one giving islam a bad name!!____not all muslims are terrorist, but most of the terrorist are muslims!!!____religionofpeace.com__prophetofdoom.com

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LilPete LilPete

    why is it when this argument pops up everyone is pointing the racist finger, just because someone agrees with one side or another doesnt mean their racist. now personally i dont think its fair to kick people out of their homes for what ever reason, but israel has clearly stated with god knows how many years of war that it wants to remain so as i said above split the contested land down the middle and get on with it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LilPete LilPete

    dear calm down your gonna get your self all wound up and say something you may regret, its not just islam that has used illiteracy in the past to take control of a people, quite a few religions and kings and some others that i wont go into have kept their people down to prevent anyone forming an educated argument against them, im not in a position to comment on the middle east not having experienced it myself but hear in the uk most of my friends who are muslim are at the same school as i am and its in the top 50 schools in the UK

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

      A recent study was done in the US and guess what schools were at the bottom of every list? The Islamic ones. Doesn't take a genius to form a connection. I am very well aware of the use of illiteracy to oppress, reference slavery in the US.
      Top 50 in the UK, I'll keep my opinion to myself.

      • javi

        the Philistines are to be identified as one of the "Sea Peoples, the Philistines formed part of the great naval confederacy, the "Sea Peoples," who had wandered, at the beginning of the 12th century BC, from their homeland in Crete and the Aegean islands to the shores of the Mediterranean and repeatedly attacked Egypt, in 70 AD TITUS displaced the hebrews (jews) and changed the name of JUDEA to Philistine in honor of the jews enemies. The so called today palestinians are a in reality transjordans and syrians. The arabs arrived to JUDEA after the 7th century when the MUSLIMS conquered Jerusalem and thus the crusaders began

  • jhon

    1. There are Arab Jews.
    2. Palestinians hate the people who are kicking them out of there homes, and killing their children.
    3.im not justifying what Hamas is doing, nor am i justifying what Israel is doing. however, i dont think you will be very happy if some came and told you to get the hell out of your house just because they have lived on the same land a long time ago…

  • Jhon

    What you guys don't understand is that in situations like the war in Palestine for example and generally the Middle East, there is never a distinct answer to any question or problem. There are people with different views; some of these views are due to certain misconceptions. Also the west has a lot of misconceptions as well, and so you can never judge the Arabs or the Muslims based of certain events. Because, these events reflect the opinion of one person, not of a nation.
    Why is that that when the Ayers thing happened people didn't start to say that Americans are terrorists? Because they know that that person did a disgusting thing and that does not necessarily mean all Americans are like that!

  • Yara

    im sorry walter but youve got your facts all wrong. ISREAL is not the one trying to make peace…making pease does not mean killing over 870 people most of which are civillains. making PEACE does not mean bombing a school full of children does that sound like peaceful acts to you? and excuse me they did not give land back they continously did not abide by resolutions 242 and 338. they never gave back the land they were supposed to. Palestine always was and will always belong to the palestinains. Palestinians lived there under ottoman rule and then when Britain took over they decided to just give it away (as if it were theres to give) to Jews because they were getting restless in Europe and then large amounts of jews entered Palestine backed up by Britain of course. and like less than 3% land was sold by Arabs to the Jews not because they wanted to but because they were forced to…how about getting your facts straight? talk about a biased site!

    • Kal

      Ummm, Palestine is the name the Romans gave to the land when they removed/relocated the Jews initially. That was a few hundred years before islam. As for bombing the school, why is it you don’t mention the jihadi professor who launched a rocket from it, which even Palestinians have admitted happened? And about the Palestine Mandate, the Jews came in and had no problem with coexistence. It was those “peaceful” Arabs who promised the Palestinians they would push the Jews in to the sea. They tried several times (1948, 1967, 1973 come to mind) and failed. Where is the so-called bias you mention?

  • Yara

    Yeah ill admit that there are many extremists; how women are treated in Saudia Arabia is not fair and i dont agree with it at all but there are many Muslims that are kind and peaceful and have morals and ethics and that is what true Islam is..its not the bullshit that U.S. media protrays it to be. Hey im proud to be an american just like any other American is but i am also an Arab and it sickens me to see that America is polluted with racist judgemental people like you! Thank God your opinion only makes up a small portion of what Americans think. Figures, said it yourself youre from the SOUTH. how do you like being judged because of where youre from?

    • Beej.

      "Not fair." Isn't that a bit like saying ebola is unpleasant? Perhaps your moral and ethical and kind and peaceful muslims should start exerting control over your murderous brethren.

  • Yara

    tell me this, if their sole purpose isnt to kill many innocent lives then why have more than 900 Palestinians died most of them women and children? why have they attacked a school? people who do shit like that are not trying to be peaceful. so dont sit here telling me about all the bad stuff that Arabs do while israel does much worse. all the hard work that americans put into their jobs and the taxes that we and our families have to pay are used to give weapons to israel so they can go out and kill innocent women and children so they can force people out of their homes so if anyone is the terrorist here its israelis. have you ever been to a mosque? do you speak arabic? do you know what the Imam is saying during prayers? i doubt you do and i know for a FACT that arabs dont preach hate in mosques. tell me this..if someone forced you out of your house because they wanted to would you fighting back be called terrorism?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

      900 Palestinians have died because Hamas are cowards devoid of honor and human decency, who hide their rockets in UN schools and hospitals, and launch them from houses full of women and children. If Hamas had any balls and were not a bunch of cowards they would suit up in uniforms to distinguish themselves from the civlians, and face the IDF on the battlefield. They are the same ones who state that bombs are worth more than their own children. And yes I have been to a mosque, and I had someoe I trust translate what was being said. He is from Saudi, and thinks islam is severely flawed and limited, as do I. I speak a little bit of Arabic, but I must ask, how do you know for a FACT that arabs do not preach hate in mosques? Have you been to the 1500 mosques the Saudis have had built in the outside world over the last three decades? Have you attended a mosque in Lebanon where the Imam says it is halal to attack Israeli schools, like Hamas did in 2008? For the record, my ancestors WERE forced from their homes, by the Spanish. And unlike Arabs, I do not have my head up my ass with the idea of waging a generations long jihad to get my land back. My ancestors got over it, and assimilated into what is now Mexico. I am over it, and have assimilated into my new home, the United States of America.

      • Farah

        u are talking about Hamas hiding in the homes of civilians and having no balls to stand in a battle field and face the Israel? well did you look at what Israel is doing….they are fighting from airplanes and throwing bombs I see no battlefield for Hamas to be in since Israel is afraid from getting to fight on land because they might lose. And indeed when they did after a few days they went back on their planes because they underestimated Hamas . and in Lebanon they didn’t dare to fight on land . Well once a cowards always a coward. Hamas has no tanks has no airplanes the only way they can fight is on land.

        • Beej

          Israel lose to Arabs? Israel afraid of fighting Arabs on land? What substances are you on, your poor deluded fool?

      • Yara

        good for you then. some people dont give up their land as fast as others i guess. ohh if youre basing all of Islam on what goes on in Saudia Arabia then thats no basis at all. many of their actions dont portray what Islam is about at all so dont judge the whole religion by Saudi alone. ohh and i assume israeli's are the ones who arent cowards? ohh please THEYRE the ones hiding behind their huge tanks and planes not Palestinians or Hamas. and Israel decided to bomb schools because they "thought" or suspected Hamas had weapons in those schools not because they had concrete evidence of it. this whole thing is not about Hamas or terrorism any of it, its about the fact that Israel has stolen a state that isnt theirs called it their own and now wants to wipe out Palestinians because they simply do not want them to be living under what they call an Israeli state. its sad to see that your ancestors went through something as terrible as that fighting for what was theirs, their nationality and home and youre so eager to just throw your identity away. Israelis are cowards, they are cowards for wiping out more than 900 Palestinians most of which are civillians while Hamas has only killed 12 israeli soldiers. woopdi-doo!

      • Yara

        and your friend who sees Islam as being "severly flawed and limited" doesnt seem like the most objective source to get information from.

    • Beej

      900 Palestinians have died because Hamas terrorists unrelentingly fired rockets into Israel from their hiding places. Got that? Simple, is it not?

      • Yara

        that is total bullshit. so their means of retaliation is by killing CIVILIANS?! do YOU truly believe the garbage that you write? you are deeply disturbed if you actually think it was and is justified for them to be killing innocent women and children ON PURPOSE in their so called "search" for Hamas. Israeli's are the terrorists you are terribly mistaken. I dont see the Palestinians killing women and children or fathers and their sons walking down the street or out of their house just for the fun of it ok? so to me and anyone in their right minds would understand and be able to comprehend that Israeli's are the terrorists and not the innocent Palestinians who are being shot dead as if their lives are meaningless. simple, is it not?

        • Beej

          But civilians are bound to be killed while your Hamas heroes operate from civilian centres. Let them come out into the open to do their cowardly work and they will cease to exist within 10 minutes or so. You don't see Palestinians killing women and children? Gosh, you mean their rockets can differentiate between the military and civilians? What a technologically advanced people you are! Get your head out of Mohammed's ass and open your eyes. Do you truly believe Israel has no right to defend itself???

          • Yara

            how about proving your point of view without being offensive? im sure you have probably understood by now that im a Muslim so that was completely uncalled for. i dunno if your jewish or Christian or w.e you are but have you seen me make ONE offensive comment about either religion? no i havent so i would appreciate it if you would do the same. and um the Palestinians killed 12 isreali SOLDIERS! and btw incase you forgot when Israel decided they wanted to attack Lebanon oh i guess cuz they were bored of killing Palestinians, they got a major ASS-WHOPPING! so hell yeah Arabs can beat Israel at their own sick game. and why do you keep saying My Hamas killing heroes?! wth how did you get Hamas being my heroes out of anything i said? again, you fail to even TRY and understand my point of view i never said Hamas were my heroes. and yeah israel doesnt have the right to defend themselves, not as long as their on SOMEONE ELSE'S LAND! and what exactly are they defending themselves from? ROCKS?! as opposed to their tanks and bombs and planes? what are they scared theyre gonna dent??!

          • Kal

            You call 1200 dead Lebanese, 3 billion dollars in damage, and depletion of their katyusha rocket stockpile a victory? Even Hassan Nasrallah said he underestimated the Israeli retaliation. Had the United States not asked Israel to stop, Hizbullah would have been crushed, and what we are seeing in Gaza would have taken place in Dahiyeh.

          • Yara

            ohh please Israel listens to anyone other than israel? haha funny i havent witnessed this revelation thus far. it was a victory because you know what? they left because they got WHOPPPED! thats why they left not because anyone asked them to stop..countries have been asking for a cease-fire from Israel just after they began their ever lasting destruction in Gaza and have they stopped yet? wait lemme turn on the T.V. or what the hell why would i do that when i can just ask one of you guys to give me a bullshit answer? i mean i wouldnt be surprised if one of you told me that they have stopped and havent killed civillians i mean who would have known that Hamas has got over 1000 members!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/RANDJA57 RANDJA57

          CIVILIANS MY ASS, DO YOU REALLY THINK ANYONE FALLS FOR THE BULLSHIT HAMAS TRIES TO PULL. DO YOU THINK THEIR ROCKET ATTACKS ARE AIMED AT MILITARY TARGETS, HELL NO. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE BULLSHIT YOU WRITE.

          IF YOU SUPPORT HAMAS THEN YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THEY, TERRORIST, AND YOU DESERVE NO BETTER END…. THE REASON NO ONE BELIEVES MUSLIMS IS BECAUSE THEY NEVER CONDEMN, THEY SIMPLY TRY TO JUSTIFY THE ACTIONS OF EXTREMIST/ TERRORIST.

          THEY ARE COWARDS & BABY KILLERS TO AFRAID TO FIGHT AS WARRIORS AND FACE THEIR ENEMY IN BATTLE. THEY HIDE BEHIND THE SKIRTS OF THEIR WOMEN, IN THEIR MOSQUES AND SCHOOL FULL OF CHILDREN. I BELIEVE FROM WATCHING THE NEWS SHOES ARE AN INSULT MOST HIGH THEIR. THE COWARDS SHOULD BE BEATEN TO DEATH WITH THEIR OWN SHOES FOR THEIR COWARDICE…….. THEY BRING SHAME AND DISCREDIT TO ALL ISLAM, THEY REVEAL WHAT TRULY MUST LIE IN EVERY MUSLIMS HEART IF THEY DO NOT CONDEMN THE ACTIONS OF THEIR FELLOW MUSLIMS…….. FOR THAT THEY CAN ALL BURN IN HELL

          • Kal

            Randja57,

            AMEN

          • Yara

            ohh so im guessing the 1000 + Palestinians that have died are all soldiers then? holy shit i feel sorry for you…ok we've established that you lack intellegence but youre blind too? open a damn news channel not fricken cnn or fox news..you know what just google the damn thing why dont you take a look at the hundreds of pictures of babies who are completely burnt and with bullet holes in their head and with limbs missing and i could just go on and on with the disturbing details. do you believe the bullshit you write? i take it you are in Palestine this very moment and know for a fact that they hide these so called weapons of theirs in "mosques and school full of children"..wait wait are you a member of Hamas yourself? you seem to be so sure that theyre hiding these mysterious weapons that are oddly not being found..acutally, its Israel who tries to bullshit people as gullible as you into believing that they actually think Hamas and their weapons are hidden in a school full of children. were they? are all the members of Hamas dead yet? please answer these questions of mine since you seem to know the exact placement of Hamas's "weapons" and what goes on inside their heads.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/RANDJA57 RANDJA57

            yara what are you? do you have you head up your ass….. your a muslim right cause only a muslim or an idiot would defend hamas and believe the propaganda of photo of dead children…. does hamas or any terrorist avoid killing children or women or civilians, NO. its a fact that these animals will hide in churches or schools or behind their women. they are cowards of the worst sort. And you are a collaborator, in other words you too are a fucking terrorist in my book, you defend these scum… they teach nothing but hatred of jews, of infidels . they teach their children the same hate from the time they can walk. so yara pull your head from your arse if you will and condemn the fuckers or go join them and live they way they do in their world of murder, terrorism and hate……

  • Yara

    thats exactly what is going on in Palestine and what has been going on for over 50 years and if youre going to tell me that them fighting back in any way they can is wrong then thats something that doesnt make sense at all. Palestinians dont have huge ass tanks and weapons given to them by America so they make do with what they have which is rocks mainly and a couple of man-made missiles from time to time. when 12 israeli SOLDIERS have died as opposed to more than 900 Palestinians (mostly civilians) then thats not a war thats a genocide

    • Beej

      "A couple of man-made missiles from time to time." What's your occupation? Comedian? Propaganda minister? Israelis do not engage in genocide. Learn what the word means. Genocide is what Arabs would love to achieve against Jews, but whenever they attempt it in open warfare they get humbled by the vastly outnumbered Israeli Armed forces. This must cause you such deep shame. No wonder you hate the Jews so much.

  • Beej

    Do you TRULY believe the garbage you write, Yara? If anyone needs to undertake historical research it is you. Discover for yourself that "Palestine" referred to an area – akin to "The Middle East" – and that the State of Israel preceded that of the State of Palestine.

  • straliangirl

    How come no one protested or spoke out when fata and hammas fought amongst themselves killing 500 people, mostly women and children?

  • Beej

    Steal land from whom? From Palestine? Palestine was not a country until 1988, just a name applied to an ill-defined area. The Jews must have "stolen" it from themselves; must have invaded their own land. Why were Jews expelled from various countries? Because Christians believe a certain Jewish gentleman was killed by Jews. Wrong. He was killed by Romans. The Catholic Church, so dominant in European lands during the dark ages, exerted their power to victimise the Jews. Then along came Martin Luther, and he was even worse than the Catholics. It's amusing to consider that the exodus of Jews from Germany in the 1930s was a huge factor in the defeat of the Nazis in 1945. The French? Hitler's panzers went through them – through the largest standing army in the world – in six weeks. Perhaps the French have Arab blood in their veins: thin, watery stuff.

    Palestinians never give up the fight? Of course they won't as long as they "fight" from behind women and children. That's not fighting: that's terrorism.

  • Beej

    Astonishing stuff, Meetlaaf. 9/11 was not the work of Muslims? Jews were responsible? I am sure I am not alone in feeling anger that I was gullible enough to believe your buddies were responsible, so please tell us, in the clearest terms, your reasons – based on evidence – for your claims. A grateful world will beat a path to your door. 3 of the hijackers have turned up alive? Again, kindly supply the details of this remarkable revelation. And to think I was daft enough to believe they would be bonking virgins in Paradise – 8 year-old ones, of course.

    You refer to the destruction of the native Americans ("Indians"). No-one can deny, AND NO-ONE TRIES TO DENY, that such barbarism occurred, least of all the American people, just as the British readily acknowledge and regret their ill-treatment of races they considered to be inferior in bygone days, included the wholesale slaughter of innocent Muslims and Jews during the Crusades. But the Americans and British move on; their societies evolve. This is not to say they are now blameless and innocent of any wrongdoing. Hell, they are human beings, so they exhibit the flaws that are part and parcel of the human condition. But it is undeniable that the US and the UK are tolerant societies, for all their faults. They even allow Muslim extremists publicly to mouth their murderous messages of hate, and swiftly fly to protect Muslims when they are threatened by Neanderthals as low as you. America and Britain (and Israel) have any number of Mosques. How many synagogues are there in Saudi Arabia?

    As long as you enslave yourselves to the rantings of your paedophilic prophet you will continue to live blind and ignorant, sustained by hatred and nourished by envy of Jewish achievements. You account for about 20% of the world's population, but you produce nobody of worth, so stifling is your religion. At the moment you derive power and influence from petroleum; nothing else; but its days are severely numbered. Come the time we scientists supplant this energy source you will be left destitute and economically castrated. You'll be the beggars of the world while Israel will be in the vanguard of progress. Have nightmares over this.

    • Yara

      you are the ignorant one for thinking you know ANYTHING about Islam or what it stands for. do you even know the meaning of the word Islam? you dont know anything about the religion so dont sit there talking about stuff you know nothing about. and of course you would confuse the actions of Muslims as being what true Islam is. True Islam does not say that you can kill women and children. it does not say that women cant drive a damn car or that they have to be a walking tent. it doesnt say that a woman can be beaten because she's not veiled but you dont know any of that do you? all you know is what you see on tv and how Saudi Arabia portrays muslims to be. but you know what depressingly, i cant really blame you because there arent many true muslims anymore and therefore you are not able to see Islam for what it really is. i think its a better idea to pretend you know all there is to know about a religion after maybe learning the language and picking up its Holy Book.

      • Kal

        As I recall, Saudi Arabia is where islam was fabricated. Using logic, one can conclude that the brand of islam practiced there is true islam. If you want them to show the world true islam (as YOU call it), do us a favor and go to Saudi and straighten them out. I give it 24 hours before they behead you in central Riyadh. After the muttawa torture you.

        • iac4usa

          AMEN TO THAT!!

    • Kal

      Evidence? He need not provide evidence! A muslim cleric said it was the Jooz, so it was the Jooz!!! :P

    • hellosnackbar

      And now the USA is giving$900milion to Gaza. What a waste; when this money could be spent on speeding up
      nuclear fusion research, to get us off the “oil tit.”

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    Beej, I like your style! Keep on keepin on!

  • Yara

    ok you know what its not even worth replying to you because you dont read properly. for the i think THIRD TIME im saying this let me spell it out for you..I. D.O. N.O.T. A.G.R.E.E. W.I.T.H. T.H.E. A.C.TS. O.F. S.A. should i say it again? i DO NOT SUPPORT WHAT THEY DO HOW THE TREAT WOMEN I DO NOT SUPPORT IT I DO NOT SUPPORT IT IN FACT IM AGAINST IT. is it clearer now? and when did i ever call america the "great satan" jesus christ you really need to read before you open your big mouth. i said, iwill repeat again, that I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN BUT im not proud of the government and what they do how they back up isreal by giving them weapons in which they use for violence and terror. i know your reply to this is gonna be some bullshit about me hating the u.s. or some crap like that so im just gonna say this ahead of time..i love the u.s. i do not agree with its government. have you understood yet?

  • Yara

    ? at the moment i live in Jordan and guess what? i get to watch media that shows both sides of the story! omg heard of that? and dont give me that bullshit about how you cant distinguish between men and women you dont even know me you could at times call me a feminist but you dont know that because youre so prejudice and quick to judge all muslims by thinking that every one of us is behind how women are treated unequally to men. im sorry to break it to you but you dont know anything about Islam actually..all you know is what the media in the U.S. wants you to know. and thats another thing i dont like if you havent noticed. why dont you watch something that shows you the thousands of Palestinians who died the children with burns all over their bodies and bullet holes in the chest and after youve done that then come talk to me about how israel is justified because if you can do that after seeing those sights then you are inhumane

    • Kal

      Do you also get to watch perpetrators of honor killings get off scot free with no prison sentence? As for the Palestinian victims, that is all brought on by the cowards in Hamas, who, as all muslim jihadi scumbags do, use women and children as human shields. I weep for each and every child harmed. But I also place the blame squarely on Hamas, for being such cowards that they launch rockets in close proximity to children. Just last month I read about two kids killed when a rocket exploded before the terrorists could launch it at Israel. Where is your outrage at that?

  • Beej

    Yara, I fear your response to my message has been deleted, something that displeases me. You have as much right to voice your views as I, even if I do not agree with them, and I defend your right to do so. (Imagine a Saudi or Iranian man thinking this way!) Jews, too, would side with you on this matter, for they are the most democratic of people even if they protect themselves from the murderous onslaughts of your gutless brothers.

    • Yara

      it is quite depressing to see that the administrator has deleted my comment since it was neither racist nor offensive but it seems that the admin cant handle my point of view and what i have to say. way to practice freedom of speech "infidelesto". gonna delete this one too?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

    JUST BECAUSE YOU REPEAT THAT RUBBISH DOESNT MAKE IT TRUE..YOUR MEDIA DO IT ALL DAY LONG BUT ITS STILL NOT TRUE, THE REAL NAME OF JEWS IS HIBARU MEANING OUTCAST, THESE ARE THE CRIMINAL PEOPLE EXPELLED FROM THERE OWN COMUNITIES ALL OVER ARAB LANDS, THEY ARE A GROUP OF BAD BLOOD BREEDING WITH BAD BLOOD..YOU SEE THE RESULT OF THIS IN PALESTINE TODAY. THE EGYTIAN TUTHMOSES [YOU STUPIDLY CALL MOSES] MADE THEM INTO A LARGE GROUP OF MAURAUDERS AND FLED EGYPT …EVAN THE NAME ISRAEL IS STOLEN FROM EGYPT,,,,ISRA…EL ALL NAMES OF EGYPTIAN GODS, WHEN TUTHMOSIS CAME DOWN WITH THE TABLETS THEY WHERE WRITTEN IN EGYTIAN, THERE WAS NO HEBREW[HIBARU] WRITTEN WORDS FOR ANOTHER 10000 YEARS, SO IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD JUST REPEAT THE RUBBISH YOU DO.

    • Beej

      Oh dear. How true is the old saying that there are none so blind as them that will not see. Your impromptu history lesson was most illuminating, the bit about bad blood breeding with bad blood reminiscent of the Nazi nonsense about racial purity, but the best part was about there being no Hebrew language for 10,000 years after the writing of the Ten Commandments. So Hebrew doesn't exist yet? Don't believe you can get away with "Arab lands", either. Is an Arab land a land where Arabs live? Such as America? I repeat: there was no country called Palestine until 1988, at is still not recognised as such by all countries of the world.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

    YOU MISSED OUT THE PART WHERE 99 PERCENT OF YOUR CHRISTAIN PRIEST/MINISTERS ARE CHILD ABUSERS PAEDOPHILES… AND YOUR CHURCH NOT ONLY ACCEPTS IT…THEY COVER IT UP….AND IN THE GREAT COUNTRY IN WHICH HE LIVES MUSLIMS ARE HELD, AND TORTURED WITHOUT TRIAL,HAVE YOU HEARD OF A PLACE CALLER GUANTANAMO BAY?BY THE WAY THE VALOUR OF MUSLIM MEN AND WOMEN IS SECOND TO NONE THAT IS WHY THE USA AND ISRAEL BOMB THEM FROM SUCH A GREAT HIGHT THEY FEAR THEM CLOSE UP.NONE,

    • javi

      did you forget about the "great man that" invented Islam??
      Mohammed the pedophile, marrying a 9 year old girl when he already had 12 wives including a jew girl slave. Safiya bint Huyai/Huyayy was a captive Mohammed married after slaughtering her father, brother, husband and the men at Khaibar, according to Bukhari vol.2 book 14 ch.5,

      • Kal

        Javi,

        He actually married her when she was 6. He waited til she was nine to molest her.

    • javi

      Muhammad had no morals either. Tabari VII:7 "The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six." Ishaq:281 "When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three." Tabari VII:6 "In May, 623 A.D./A.H. 1, Allah's Messenger consummated his marriage to Aisha."

    • Beej

      Is it as many as 99%? Gosh, that's astonishing. Who'd have thought! Yes, I have heard about Guantanamo and, like the majority of the American people (I am not American) want to see the place closed down and its practices ceased forthwith. This does not mean that its inmates are squeaky clean and as innocent as new-born lambs, but the high ideals of Justice, so revered by Americans, have been scandalously abused in that place, causing the American people to clamour for its closure. This speaks volumes for the decency of the American man in the street and, indeed, the American press who readily bring such malpractices to the attention of the world. For some reason, I am unable to imagine an equivalent occurrence in, say, Iran. But of course, there are no abuses of Justice in Iran, are there?
      Israel fears close contact with their enemy? Is that why Israel was so easily and thoroughly beaten in every war fought against its neighbours in the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s?

    • hellosnackbar

      What astonishes me about people such as the above; is that they can't come to terms with the well substantiated concept that Islam=failure.
      Like silly juvenile delinquents their only reply is mindless, futile violence;.believing that the imaginary Allah will grant them imaginary kudos.
      Dump Islam! and join the human race for mythical Allah's sake.

      • Yara

        wow..what a great debater you are. reading your comment was a total waste of my time.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

      Where do you get 99%? Provide proof or shut the f**k up.

  • Yara

    admin: now i see why this site is so one-sided. because you delete the comments that dont side with what you and 90% of the people commenting on this site think!

  • Yara

    ok see i never said that i hated Jews actually..its funny to see how you could even bring yourself to say that when it is so obvious that you CANT STAND muslims/arabs at all. i bet you hated me the second you read my name and you dont even know me! and i just have one thing to say to you..how about watching news channels other than fox news, cnn, and bbc that'll broaden your scope a bit. genocide : systematic killing of a racial or cultural group. hmm..that kinda sounds like what Israel is doing? wiping out as many Palestinians as they possibly can by using bombs and missiles and anything else the U.S. will provide them with. ohh and fyi seeing as you and everyone else keeps mentioning MUSLIMS in practially everything racist you have to say, the 1000 + Palestinians that have died are not only Muslims but Christians as well, and so it is quite obvious that Israel isnt wanting to kill Hamas because of their "muslim terrorist ways".

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    Yara, if what you were saying were true I would delete every comment you make as well as any other radical Muslim that comes on here blathering his Islamic garbage. Stop with your nonsense accusations…

    I don't remember your comment, but whatever it was, it violated the terms of use for commenting on this blog which you can read very clearly at the top of the comments. If you can't follow the rules, then leave, but don't accuse me of "silencing" your voice just because one of your comments was moderated.

    btw, offensive comments ARE allowed. but not racism, threats, trolling or vulgarity

    btw, learn the definition of "freedom of speech". You're free to comment anywhere you want, as long as you follow the owners rules. I bet you'd scream that your rights were being violated if you screamed "fire" in a crwoded theatre too, right? Educate yourself and you'd get more respect. I'm tired of lecturing morons like you all the time.

    If you violate my rules, you will be moderated or banned. This is a private blog. go somewhere else if you don't like it.

  • Yara

    ok first of all "that great man" didnt invent Islam its not an invention its a religion. and the prophet is not a pedophile for marrying a 9 year old girl…i dunno if you know this but apparently not, hundreds of years ago women used to get married at like 10 or 13 years old so its basically the same thing but of course you'd make a big deal out of it because a Muslim was the one who did it. you wanna talk about pedophiles? PLEASE how about priests of churches? there are plenty of pedophiles there but the difference between them and the Prophet is is that they ARE REALLY pedophiles, and he isnt!

    • Kal

      The difference between Priest pedophiles and muslim pedophiles (like the Saudi cleric who proclaimed that marrying off a ten year old is halal) is that we prosecute those Priests. What do muslims do? Oh yeah, they worship them and go blow themselves up when commanded to do so.

  • Beej

    I take it, then, you condone the behaviour of modern-day paedophilic priests? Can you please explain what you mean by "Are Really"?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

    that was one thousand years in my print off…sorry!! i have been told it is ok to be anti-muslim but to leave the site because i am against the jewish action, sorry that you must censor the truth…so yes i will leave this PRIVATE SITE AS THEY CALL IT…it is sad that people must be fed the one message to suit the moderator , but that has always been the way in so called free socities.

  • Yara

    wow yeah you know what i did actually read your little rules and thats what why its so funny that you deleted my comment because i didnt go against any one of your precious rules. not racism? ohh PLEASE if racism wasnt allowed then bacially most of the comments up would be deleted but you know what ? you delete whatever you dont like thats what you do and you feel threatened i get it but dont bullshit me about how i was "racist, threatened anyone, was trolling or vulgar" cuz you and I both know i wasnt. educate myself? if you had half the brain i have then you wouldnt be saying the things you just said. its really sad to see that your so intolerant of other religions and points of view. how about growing up and being mature about things instead of whining all the time? how about you start respecting people and their thoughts and maybe someone will show you a little bit of respect in return.

  • Beej

    For some reason, I am unable to bring up on the screen the message you wrote a little while ago, but I read it via email, so I'll reply here. Islam means Submission, I believe. I take it that means submission to the will of a hypothetical God, as laid down in the Koran or Qu'ran. Submit: don't think; don't argue. Who needs a mind when one can blindly follow dogma? You reasonably point out that the Saudis in particular enforce laws that are not written as such in your book and that all Muslims must not be judged in accordance with Saudi practices. Fair comment, but what concerns me is the fact that the book lends itself to such interpretations. I am no biblical scholar (far better things to do with my time), nor am I an apologist for any religious creed, but I would be surprised to find that the teachings of Jesus, for example, could be interpreted as widely and as ruthlessly and to the detriment of women, but you might be able to enlighten me if I am wrong.
    My advice to Muslims would be to leave the Jews alone. Make peace with them, for if you don't an awful lot of you are going to die.

    • Yara

      i take it then you dont believe in God, but as in any religion there is something called faith, believing in something you dont see and that is present in christianity and Judaism not only in Islam. There are actually many aspects of Christianity that are scrutinized and are actually quite confusing. and again, seeing as you know so little about Islam it in no way shape or form wants people to close their minds and not ask questions. on the contrary, Islam wants people to be educated and not ignorant, just because there are some Muslims that are ignorant and uneducated does not mean that Islam asks them to be that way. I must ask, since you seem to think that youre an expert on Islam and what it calls for, have you ever read the Qu'ran? Again, you seem to think that Muslims have a problem with Jews. The problem is with the violent Israeli's and my advice to them is to stop treating people like animals and to stop acting like theyre the victims of everything and pleading the world to feel sorry for them and show them some sympathy which is quite ironic because there's nothing to sympathize with.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

    i have tried to reply but the moderator told me to leave the site because i am for the muslims……this is your freedom of speach, you lot cannot handle the debate, INTENSE DEBATE IT IS NOT. IT IS NO DEBATE.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

    AINT THAT THE TRUTH, THEY JUST TOLD ME TO LEAVE AS WELL. THIS IS NOT A DEBATE IT IS A LECTURE FROM HIS FRIENDS.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

    HOPE YOU HAVE MORE LUCK THAN ME….THEY ASKED ME TO LEAVE THE SITE AS WELL THEY DONT LIKE OTHER POINTS OF VIEW.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    haha, keep telling yourself that. All it takes is one look around the site to see that I don't ban people who have other opinions. You're a liar and we all know that. Thanks for playing.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    nobody asked you to leave. I welcome other viewpoints. It keeps the discussion going. Stop crying, nobody has banned you.

  • Beej

    Meetlaaf, DO NOT leave the site! While I find your views repellent, you have as much right to express them as anyone else. Indeed, I welcome them, for I believe your every utterance digs the grave of your cause.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    Wrong, we're really good at telling the truth. It's Mohammadens like yourself who spread filth throughout the world with your disgusting ideology

  • javi

    Mohammed accepted and agree with slavery and rape. “O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
    The prophet of Islam did not mind his men raping the slave women, provided they ejaculated within the bodies of their victims.

    A radical Muslim is capable of harming kafirs. A radical Muslim is a Medinan Muslim, but a Medinan Muslim follows Mohammed’s actions. So killing kafirs is not radical. Harming kafirs follows Mohammed’s example and is pure Islam, not a radical interpretation
    To reform the Koran, all of the hateful, cruel, and bigoted references to kafirs would have to be removed. If the kafir material is removed, then only 39% of the Koran remains. The greatest part of the part of the Koran, 61%, is devoted to negativity about kafirs.
    The Sira (the life of Mohammed) has about 75% of its material devoted to jihad.
    The Hadith has 20% of its material devoted to jihad. There is no one positive reference to kafirs.
    If you delete 61% of the Koran, 75% of the Sira and 20% of the Hadith, you will have reformed Islam. You will also have destroyed it. There is a very good reason that Islam has never been reformed. It is impossible.

    • hellosnackbar

      That's fact Javi If one substitutes muslim for kafr and vice-versa in the aforementioned idiot scribblings one gets a muslim hate text.

  • jack

    you know u are in arabland when u slog ur butt out 340 days a year 16 hrs a day and at the end of it some fucked up reason not to pay you…..(this is no myth…this is first hand)

    • Kal

      I saw riots reported in a Kuwaiti newspaper a few months ago due to the fact that the slaves… begging your pardon, I mean laborers were being worked just like you said (16 hour days, 7 days a week) for 75 US Dollars per month.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    The bottom line is this: islam is insane and we are insane for allowing that filth into any non-muz country. We need to get rid of them. Send them all back to where ever it is they crawled out from. They're absolutely worthless as human beings.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    By the way, this article is a real hoot! My hat off (if I had one) to whoever wrote it. I think it really captures the true ambiance of the muz society without being derogatory or sucking up to the muz animals.

  • Yara

    and yeah you totally convinced me i should just leave them to their horrific and violent acts..their means of torture and being proud of it. you know i saw a very disturbing picture the other day, it was a little boy lying on the ground he was dead of course and after the Israelis were finished with their nasty business of killing the poor kid (something you support them for) they actually took a picture standing next to the dead boy smiling. hmm..how low could they possiblye go? but you know what they keep outdoing themselves so who knows what they'll do next! theyre not only killing innocent children, but theyre taking pictures with their dead bodies too! it tells me a bit about someones character when they so blindly support savages like them.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

    hi yara, you sent me two comments but they SHOULD not be for me, i was told to leave this site BECAUSE i agree with the muslims!!!!!!!!!! i have not commented since, but i had to come back just to let you know i DO NOT LIKE JEWS, THEY ARE THE MAIN CAUSE OF WARS FOR CENTUARIES , FURTHER MORE I HAVE READ THE BIBLE AND THE KORAN AND I RESPECT MUHAMED….AND THE KORAN IS THE ONLY BOOK THE JEWS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CORRUPT, FURTHER MORE THE ENGLISH KINGS MARRIED CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS 4 YEARS OLD….SO AMERICANS ARE THE SEEDS OF THE ENGLISH RULE ..SO DO NOT LET THEM TELL YOU DIFFERENT …THERE CHRISTIAN MINISTERS AND PRIESTS ARE ALL DOING CHILDREN EVEN TODAY..I HOPE I HAVE PUT THE RECORD STRAIGHT AS I WILL NOT BE BACK, ALLA BE WITH YOU.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    liar. Nobody ever told you to leave the site because you agree with radical Muslim ideology. Look at all the pro-Jihad comments and you'll see. Stop spreading lies.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    So nothing is true unless we were alive to see it. Lol!!

    http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1798.htm

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    The people of the UK today do not think that is OK to sleep with children. That is outside of the Muslims of course.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MEETLAAF MEETLAAF

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/hefIti-uFUo&hl=en&am…name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/hefIti-uFUo&hl=en&am…type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    I was not alive during WW2 but I know that it happened. If you do not like it take it up with Islamic scholars who say Aisha was a child. Are you a scholar? I doubt it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    If the hate filled Palestinians actually cared about their kids, they would of at least attempted to stop the rocket attacks on Islam. There are conflicts across the world and the common denominator in most of them are Muslims.

  • Beej

    Hell's teeth! I just read your message. How old are you? 6?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AQIM AQIM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcJo7A6mBbU&NR
    Please Watch it…and please stop being to prejudice!!

  • xkon

    Ever considered anger management? It really helps those suffering from being in denial, cynical, and uneducated. I'm sure it would be nice in your world to send Muslims back from where they came from, but seeing as how your brain is incapable of putting through some logic, maybe, just maybe, it'll all hit you in the one day. FACT: 15% of Muslims are ARABS. Being Muslim is not a "race". The rest come from countries all over the world, such as the one your ancestors have immigrated in (only of course, after having killing the natives of that country first). An advice, GET OVER IT.

  • roberhouda

    The Rumsfeld Advertising Drinking Policy
    Posted By Not Available on 02/10/2009 @ 05:51 pm

    Rumsfeld University: why your White/Black Culture hates Islam
    Posted By Not Available on 02/09/2009 @ 00:59 pm

    The Western illegal Jihad hidden as "activism" is so obvious. It has an echo in the so called war
    of words started by no less than Rumsfeld who was fired as we DO REMEMBER. Remember? And his idea was to use University students for this… especially those little white angels who could use a little extra credit or favors… between drinks of freedom.

    So then imagine those same little 60sss darlings of the Obama face using the internet to fool the Islamic world into sleeping with military U.S. terror… to create a desire and image of American life as "free"… like Hallmark Cards, Disney and Super Drinking Bowl cheerleaders.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • roberhouda

    The Rumsfeld Advertising Drinking Policy
    Posted By Not Available on 02/10/2009 @ 05:51 pm

    Rumsfeld University: why your White/Black Culture hates Islam
    Posted By Not Available on 02/09/2009 @ 00:59 pm

    The Western illegal Jihad hidden as "activism" is so obvious. It has an echo in the so called war
    of words started by no less than Rumsfeld who was fired as we DO REMEMBER. Remember? And his idea was to use University students for this… especially those little white angels who could use a little extra credit or favors… between drinks of freedom.

    So then imagine those same little 60sss darlings of the Obama face using the internet to fool the Islamic world into sleeping with military U.S. terror… to create a desire and image of American life as "free"… like Hallmark Cards, Disney and Super Drinking Bowl cheerleaders.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • roberthouda

    The Rumsfeld Advertising Drinking Policy
    Posted By Not Available on 02/10/2009 @ 05:51 pm

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    White females live in Arab Countries: and sometimes as traditional brides and life.

    So here is again are the obvious choices that people have made and does not indicate a "culture" clash but indicates a clear need of Western people and their "immigrants" who owe them favors to harass and to separate those who show the truth of the real world… not some silly exchange students looking to make points for jobs with the State Department> political favors AGAIN.

    Some of the places these women live is remote by most standards and yet they do well and they are pleased.

    So then why should anyone take that from them?

    Simple because the existance of these women shows the American/Canadian/British/French/German little paid informants and gossip internet queens to be completely full of it… like the hard drinking Rumsfeld himself.

    FACT.

    RobertHouda 2009

  • roberthouda

    Bush and Grant : Two highly educated leaders

    Posted By Not Available on 02/10/2009 @ 05:29 pm

    Good drinking partners including the daughters…

    Cinched the elections for Bush as "the boy next door".

    Two world leaders cannot be wrong.

    r.k.j. 2009

    The party was just the sort of thing that George ‘Fanny Custer, who often pushed the limits, liked to instigate. Although drinking was forbidden for cadets at West Point, the impetuous Midwesterner was determined to give his graduating friends, especially Dod Ramseur, a proper send-off.

    http://www.historynet.com/americas-civil-war-geor

  • Rightwing American 1st Jew

    Some of that stuff maybe true, but if they really wanted to change their culture they would.

  • merrillLmueller

    There are some really sick people out there and this latest case is no exception. Saad Hussein, an Ethiopian refugee, has been arrested for allegedly sending Obama and his staff envelopes containing HIV-infected blood, in the hopes of killing or harming them. A spokesman for the U.S. disney acting auditions Postal Inspection Service said that it's only the second time ever that HIV-infected blood has been sent with malicious intent through the U.S. mail system.

  • migueljs16

    In the Bible and the Quran

    if u read and interpret a sentence a phrase a certain way, u have a reason, to rape, enslave kill… just about anything

    the only difference between the Muslim Christians and the Jews, that the Muslims STILL do it

    We came to our senses and only interpret the good,m for the most part at least lol
    We modernize, dare I say it, we became civil

    I wonder how long before Islam joins the Group, probably quite a while
    But more realistic at the rate of their fertility rate and immigration to the western world…… Shariah world in 2100
    Europe is on its way, USA it showing the first same sign of tolerances to Muslim bullshit such as allowing Muslim cab driver to say “no i wont drive u” to drunken passenger that will lead up to legalize man to have multiple wifes for Muslim men only of course, such as in Germany

    Shit, even here in Brazil, Islam was non existent, 10 years ago, now we have 1 million, 90% of them immigrants… paying to help them out, giving them houses, building mosque while knowing the people already IN THE COUNTRY are the ones needing help

    • JEWHAWK

      “Shit, even here in Brazil, Islam was non existent, 10 years ago, now we have 1 million, 90% of them immigrants… paying to help them out, giving them houses, building mosque while knowing the people already IN THE COUNTRY are the ones needing help”

      Miguel,we,brazilians,are gonna pay dearly for that terrible blunder of letting muslims INFEST our country.
      Yes.ONE MILLION OF THEM.

      And they send money to HEZBOLLAH.

      The Federal Police and the Ministry of Justice already wire-tapped every muslim in the country,
      for the Al-Qaeda is trying to recruit muslims in the border between Brazil,Paraguay and Argentina
      to REPEAT the 1992 and 1994 bombings occurred in Argentina against the Israeli Embassy and
      the AMIA,a Jewish Institution with hundreds of deaths.

      IRAN is behind all that.

  • solkhar

    Obviously the person whom wrote this has never been to an Arab country. Typical over-exagerations, agenda-based assumptions with very questionable motives.

    Each one may be an example of some situation but it certainly does not represent anything like the Arab world.

    Oh, just to add, you do not have to be an Arab to know it, but you have to have some eyes to see with and a brain to comprehend. It helps to have visited and to see for yourself. I have been visiting Arab countries for almost 30 years now with the last 8 living in one. As for no-gardens, I live 10 minutes drive to Marrakech, with the famous Agdal Gardens, a massive walled 12th century garden attached to the walls of Marrakech. It was designed to feed the city in times of drought or if the city was under seige. When it finally did happen a hundred years later, the army besieging left due to starvation and disease whilst the residents of the city ate fresh fruit and vegetables.

    The Arab world, if anything, has an almost artistic pashion for gardens, which is why the argument given was just too funny to ignore. Coming from a history of deserts and a lack of water, the concept of the oasis, gardens and fountains are not only appreciated but became artistic structures. The best examples come to the Andalousi gardens of Cordoba that still is the single most important tourist attraction in Spain. In the time of Louise IV, the “Sun King” was competing with Sultan Moulay Ismail of Morocco on whom could produce the best gardens, fountains and boasting of wealth. It is well argued that Ismail won. Gardens, designed in formations mixed with water features, different shade spots and differing flowers for differing seasons are all aspects that are oftain found in historic and very loved gardens. Arab homes are mostly designed around a central garden – a piece of art, tranquility and a private oasis wrapped in one.

    The reality of poverty, movement of populations for economic or security reasons have certainly changed things, but it would be foolish to think that even the poorest of an Arab city not having at least one large public garden/park and a few hidden but well known historic “al boustan” (garden).

    • Beejj

      Read your second sentence, Solkhar. Given your track record on this site, is it any wonder I am chuckling?

      Thank you for your travelogue: after reading it I am chomping at the bit to journey through the Arab wonderland. Um …. how many of these Arabic paradises maintain themselves through economic aid provided by America and other countries, I wonder.

      • solkhar

        Aah, that is right, 12th century aid provided by a 12th century America. LOL give us a break, you proven incapacity to read people's postings is now legendary.

        I simply made a point that all this crap about no gardens in the Arab world is simply that.

        • JEWHAWK

          The muslims BEHEAD and STONE people at those “beautiful gardens”. Instead of
          water, the flowers receive HUMAN BLOOD.

          Muslims are MICROBES.

  • solkhar

    Aah, that is right, 12th century aid provided by a 12th century America. LOL give us a break, you proven incapacity to read people's postings is now legendary.

    I simply made a point that all this crap about no gardens in the Arab world is simply that.

  • JEWHAWK

    The muslims BEHEAD and STONE people at those “beautiful gardens”. Instead of
    water, the flowers receive HUMAN BLOOD.

    Muslims are MICROBES.

  • pevans1

    Why don’t Arabs get circumsized?
    They need someplace to hide their chewing gum, during a sand storm!
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • S Wilton

    When your boyfriend would rather go and pray in the Mosque than take you out for a hot date you know you are with an Arab.
    When your boyfriend has to spend 10 times longer washing after sex than before sex you know your are with an Arab
    When your boyfriend gets angry because you didn’t know your period was coming and claims you tricked him into having sex with you – you know you are with an Arab.
    When your boyfriend wants you to dress like his auntie, you know you are with an Arab
    When you go out with a guy and he asks you to marry him on the first date – beware – he is probably an Arab and wants to shag you but make it ok in Allahs eyes.
    When your boyfriend treats you like shit – he is very likely to be an Arab

    • Sirwilhelm

      And the worst thing is, he would rather be with a boy in the first place!

  • Keepin it American

    If you think its morally right to marry and consumate with girls of ages 6 to 9, your prolly an Arab.

  • Hamdiamal

    what is there not to like about all this……when you have this……..you shall go to paradise…..funny thing is u dont see all the injustice and intolerance u western animals call a life and freedom….may u never test freedom and leave in a constant fear if u r against islam.

    • Kal El

      There is a lot to not like about this. You know, inbreeding, misogyny, being slaves, having to bang your head on the ground 5 times a day, sex with farm animals and little boys, because girls are off limits, you know, typical things CIVILIZED people dislike.

  • SirRuncibleSpoon

    Home today. No work. Read thread over coffee. Man, is this globe ever in trouble. Terrible, terrible trouble.

    Posit: Manunkind afflicted with selfishness and pride. Do terrible things throughout history and in all people groups. Then they die. More terrible people take their selfish proud places. etc etc etc.

    Group A wag finger at Group B’s terrible people. Vice versa. Every group–even nontheists–want moral high ground by pushing other groups into reflection of their own terrible deeds. Even Stalin and his admirers want a shot at moral purity!

    A central question rises in my mind, one whose consideration MAY allow for some group(s) to actually maintain their claim to moral high ground with some objective validity. Here goes:

    Posit: Many religions and ideologies have a Founding Document and/or Founding Personage whose teachings should inform followers’ behaviors, choices, attitudes etc. Which, if any, FD’s/FP’s most effectively impose limits on their followers’ selfishness and pride? Which, if any, inflame and justify acts of selfishness and pride?

    Personal Conclusion: Bible: #1 in pressing upon its followers codes of behavior and attitudes that cut across our selfish grain. Humility. Tolerance. Forgiveness. Quran: Brings its followers to a fever pitch of vengeance for any perceived ‘insult’ to the Prophet etc. Demands conquest of non-muslim world to bring all under Sharia Law and authority of Islam.

    Bible: Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord. Pray for those who persecute you. Quran: Behead the infidel wherever you find him, on behalf of Allah. Impose the tax, humiliate the Dhimmi for Allah.

  • Bsb

    Wow, dubai was not like this before, but it is a lot like this now. Very sad and bad. Islam acts like it owns the middle east when it does not. It has no right to control so much. The monarch of dubai since his #sudden# takeover in 2006 leaves a lot to criticize him about but this of course is not mentioned by the population who are so ignorant about this city and so eager to obey the commands of the tyrants.

  • Assiamerazi

    its obvious you have no clue about about Arab countries or culture…. typical foreign ignorance,,,

    • Hellosnackbar

      The great HL Mencken said that religious clerics attempted to explain the unknowable in terms of the not worth knowing.
      Arab culture! not worth knowing insofar as it is blighted by the bilge of Islam

    • Kal_El

      Typical Arab arrogance. I lived in the Arab world for 6 years. Saw plenty of what we document here on IAC. Including the stuff above. Yes, Arab culture is hospitable, and family oriented. But that PRE-DATES islam. The Jews in the area are the same. Have been for 5000 years. The problem now is islam.

  • Peaz

    Hahaha. This blog is a joke. Typical misinformed All Arabs = Muslims = Backward Fundamentalists bullshit. There are plenty of wackjobs in every faith, but pointing at those as “The Muslim World” is like making the KKK the poster child for “The Western World.”

    Thumbs up for stupidity and misinformation.

    • Beejj

      Peaz, there is something seriously amiss with the mechanics, or whatever, of IAC, because I cannot bring up your message to Sarah. I note, though, that your message begins with the words. “Plenty of Muslim women wear their burkas because they choose to.” Now, dear boy, please think about your words. They do it out of free choice, do they? They are not driven to do so by some potent indoctrinal force inculcated from birth, yes? They would have chosen to do so even if they had been born into a Presbyterian family, correct? They would have donned such clothing long before Mohammed was born, agreed? Ladies of Athens and Sparta and Troy and Benares and Khanbalik might have done similarly, yes? Islam has NOTHING to do with their choice of attire, yes? Covering everything other than the eyes is a perfectly natural thing for a female to do, yes? Now I don’t know about you, but I devote a great deal of my time reading history and the findings of archeologists who do their damnedest to unearth the truth of the past, and I cannot say I have ever read of an ancient culture other than Islam (am I allowed to refer to it as a culture?) in which women swathed themselves as mohammedan women do. Yet you claim they elect to do such an unnatural thing! I can only ask again: might their “choice” have something to do with the indoctrination to which they were exposed as little ones?

    • SirWilhelm

      There is plenty of documentation on this site, and plenty more just about anywhere you might choose to look, that “The Muslim World” is a problem. A problem in itself, and a problem to the rest of the world because of the hostility and violence it initiates in the non-Muslim world, just about anywhere and everywhere in the world. You’re the joke, because you are either ignoring the facts, or trying to deny the facts, by lying and saying it’s otherwise.

      It’s easy to call us names, now back up what you’re saying.

    • Kal El

      Where has anyone of us who write for IAC said Arabs=muslims=backwards fundamentalists? Speaking of misinformation and stupidity, reread your post. You contribute nothing to this discourse, and only pile on insults. As for Arabs, I know plenty, having lived among them for 7 years. Most are good people, on an individual level. Most just want to pray to allah and be left in peace. I do not begrudge them that. The problem we have is the “clerics” who call for violence on non-muslims, and the pea-brain simpleton muslims (illiteracy is a HUGE problem in the ummah) who obey.

    • Tonto

      Problem is, islam is the one that is out there killing people for some pseudo religious reason, slight, or mandate on a DAILY basis.  Islam seems to thrive on and DEMAND daily murder, rape and aggression for it’s pleasure and survival.  So, Peaz, blow it out your ass….your al taquiyya ain’t gettin’ it here.  I’l stack up the record of ANY major religion of the world against the murder rate of islam any frickin’ time…and declare the winner of death and destruction as islam every time.  But, rest, and be reassured that the end of islam is coming.  When the world has had enough, islam will drown in it’s own blood and be erased from the earth…..and it IS coming.

    • Kal_El

      The joke is your pathetic comment. Show me one post on this blog where I, or any contributor says all arabs are muslims, or that all muslims are backward fundamentalists. Also, the KKK does not control any government body whereas islam runs Saudi, Iran, the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, and a few countries in Africa. The one thing they all have in common, besides islam? They are all shitholes, where human rights take a back seat to woship and emulation of the pedophile Muhamhead.

    • Kal_El

      The joke is your pathetic comment. Show me one post on this blog where I, or any contributor says all arabs are muslims, or that all muslims are backward fundamentalists. Also, the KKK does not control any government body whereas islam runs Saudi, Iran, the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, and a few countries in Africa. The one thing they all have in common, besides islam? They are all shitholes, where human rights take a back seat to woship and emulation of the pedophile Muhamhead.

  • Vasbys_finazte

    May Allah be with you! I’m sorry to witness such prejudice. All I can say is that you’re wrong and I truly hope for mercy upon your soul!

    La ilaha il Allah oa ashado anna Mohammadin rasoul Allah!

    • Anonymous

       Only in the mind of a very sick and evil person is that douchebag mohammad a prophet of any god worthy of respect.

      Zeus is worthy of more respect than allah and I am his prophet.

      And the beauty of it is, unlike your panty wastes allah and mohammad, Zeus and I will not kill you for “disrespecting” us.

    • Kal El

      May Kahless be with you, I am sorry to witness such ignorance and cowardice. Allahu manyak khanzira.

    • Beejj

      You complain of prejudice against Islam? You have the gall to do such a thing? You, a follower of the most intolerant religion that was ever invented? Should the bleak day dawn when Islam is triumphant in the world we will surely need mercy, although the likelihood of its coming from you lot is vanishingly small. A pox on the lot of you, you cowardly murderous scum!

    • SirWilhelm

      Prejudice? Prejudice is based on unjust grounds, can you point to one of those statements and say what’s unjust about it, let alone untrue? Of course all you can say is “you’re wrong”, because denial is the only defense you have. It’s you that needs mercy from a Deity, if there is one, whatever you want to call Him.

      Whatever your statement in Arabic means, it seems addressed to Allah, and indicates Allah communicates best in Arabic, more evidence that Allah, if he exists, is just a local pagan “god”, just as historical evidence indicates. A universal Deity should be able to make himself understood in any language, and not favor any one people, Arab or Hebrew.

    • Tonto

      Simply said in my language……Kiss my ass f**khead!

    • JEWHAWK

       Sir, you truly don’t belong to our time. Your despicable, aggressive and utterly benighted ideology doesn’t make any sense at all. You are an adult using laughable arguments, a shameful, yet a typical example of an ISLAMOPITHECUS IMBECILICUS, a walking menace to the civilized world, your own family and ultimately for yourself. 

       ADVICE:

      Abandon Islam and that detestable excuse for a book called “Qu’ran” and go educate yourself with REAL LITERATURE in order to learn REAL SUBJECTS at a REAL SCHOOL.
      Have you got the willpower to do so, or your brain is already rendered useless after so many years of Islamic mumbo-jumbo ( Mohammad, Allah ,Houris and so forth)  indoctrination ??

  • Bob

    this is stupidddddd…you probably never been to an arab country,good day to you sirr

    • Anonymous

      One thing’s for sure: your name’s not Bob. Or Robert. Or even Dick,But  you are a dick of the mohammadan variety, bilal.

    • hellosnackbar

      If that ‘s what you think Bob;why not take each point in turn and convince us the article is inaccurate.
      And yes I’ve been to two Arab countries both infected by the virus of Islam.

    • Kal_El

      Hey, MORON, I lived in the middle east for 6 years. I saw plenty of behavior the verifies everything mentioned, and then some. You want to know what is really stupid? People adding letters at the end of words, trying to draw out the length when spoken, like you did with stupidddddd. If you have a stutter, and do so when pronouncing the letter D, there is no point in adding extras. Good day to YOU, sir.

  • Joan

    Yes you get the news from TV,would that be Al Jazeera by any chance ?In order for you to continue, who do you think you are talking to madam ?

  • Joan

    No one deserves to be attacked ? That is rich coming from a Muslim.
    Muslims are attacking all over the world. People in glass houses should not throw stones, should they not ?

  • julius

    I thank God and allah for this site cause here we can express or views,feelings insecuritys and either ,enlighten,anger,educate or anything else we want to say,Ihavent commentated in a while but would rather congradulate all the bloggers,This type of thinking without the use of vilolence is a step toward peace between the Mideast and the West,Yes we have difficulties understanding one another,Politics, religion,Culture,This is the work of “Satan”,He wants us to sufffer,KIll,have guilt,be evil,So I would suggest all GOd fearing,loving ,people to try to LOve and understand one another cause this is for right now the only Earth we live on and There sure is enough room or time for most to make it better.War ,Slavery,Intolerence on both sides will only destroy us,Nobody has the answers and if they did they would be quickly eliminated because evil has an agenda,Hard to stop.So for GODS SAKE ,Give Peace a chance, and remember WE were created in GODS(ALLAHS)<IMAGE=IMagination,ETc.Love you all

  • Ali

    I find it a bit offensive as well( I am arab). Someone could as easily say:

    If you see fat and obese men and women around you – don't worry your in America.

    Many people would be upset, every country has things that are wrong and things that are right. Picking one side isn't acceptable. Saying there perfect(when they aren't) is wrong, but so is saying they are all bad. If you want to state your opinion that is fine but please try to show both sides of the story. I could just as easily say:

    If you see industrial cities around you – You're in America

    There are good things and bad things.

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    your idiocy is comical and your lack of intellect is impressive.

    So what if our people are fat? We have the freedom to get fat if we want. so what? Sounds to me like that's something you'd like to control? FYI, America is FREE, why it is so shocking that some people choose to get fat? Like it or not, in a free society, there's always things you won't like, but it doesn't matter what you think. We are a country of laws with limited government that protects the people and limits government control over the people. I know I know, that's totally foreign on your end of the planet. I suggest you start by reading up a little on American History and American exceptionalism. you can start here:

    Video: The Three Pillars of American Values

    If you want to state your opinion that is fine but please try to show both sides of the story.

    Why thank you for letting me state my opinion, cause you know, it's only MY website. appreciate the advice, but I think I'll keep excposing your culture…

    Oh, and we do show both sides of the story. We show the greatness of a culture that values freedom of thought, religion , speech and press and promotes education, science and helps keep the world safe and peaceful. Sometimes War has to bring peace, and America isn't afraid of helping out our allies if it's going to help defeat EVIL.

    Not much can be said about the oppressive governments that are run by Muslims. They are NOTHING like the exceptionalism of America.

    If you see industrial cities around you – You're in America

    Dam straight, the most productive and most powerful country in the world. See what your culture could have? You jealous? Your culture could learn a thing or two about freedom.

    Thank God I come from the Western civilized world and thank God even more that I'm an American.

  • Tonto

    Actually, for those that work at it, native Americans live BETTER than they did before. Think about the times of hunger, wars and disease that killed hell out of The People before civilization. Good point about the acknowlgement and apologies too Ka_El, you're right about that too.