Saudia Arabia: BYOD (Bring Your Own Daughter)

by Sistainfidel on April 29, 2007 · Comments

Let’s say your dad is super old (about 70) and you are a girl still in high school. You better hope your dad’s friends aren’t jonesin’ for any new wives, because if they are, your life is about to get really bad:

With the aim of strengthening business ties, two Riyadh business partners in their 70s have married their teenage daughters (17-19) to each other, reported Sayidaty magazine, a sister publication of Arab News.

[...] Al-Dossary added: “It is true that I wanted to marry. I proposed to several girls but all refused. One day I decided to ask Al-Qahtani to give me one of his daughters. He agreed immediately, but in return he asked me for my daughter. I was surprised because he already had three wives; however, I agreed since I had a young daughter who was of marriageable age.”

[...] When asked if they had consulted their daughters, Al-Qahtani said: “I did not ask my daughter. I don’t have to. I know what is beneficial for her. When I told her what I had planned, she was happy. If she hadn’t been, she would have told her mother.”

[...] Al-Dossary said: “In bedouin culture, a girl does not have the right to express her opinion about marriage, especially if her father and brothers have decided on a particular man.

[...] He added: “Saudi girls, especially bedouins, prefer to marry old men. This is what my third and fourth wives have both told me. They keep telling me they are glad that they did not marry young men.

Why would girls prefer old men? Oh yeah…because their real opinions have probably already been beaten out of them. How convenient.

Hat tip: Atlas

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  • Abbadon Satanson
    Anyway, we're getting a little off-topic here, wouldn't you agree?

    My point is that forced marriages are not practiced only in Islam. This is no defence to forced marriage of course, which is contrary to Article 16 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights "Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses."

    However Islam did not invent the concept, it did happen in western societies in the past, and if anything it is a cultural phenomenon, not a religious one.
  • Abbadon Satanson
    Well we will simply have to agree to disagree on this point.

    You consider the Old Testament view of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" to be justice (some might argue that this is perhaps a little outdated). I agree that there is some element of logic to "death for a murderer", but that does not make it morally right. Some might argue (but not me, you perhaps?) that there is an element of logic to cutting off the hands of a thief, it certainly would stop them from theiving again in the future.

    I would tend to disagree, put murderers in prison for the rest of their lives, let them rot in jail. Killing in cold blood is wrong, even if it is sanctioned by the state.

    I still fail to see how you can justify this comment “See, you’ve just made it obvious that you dont care about morals, or reason.” If you made the comment in a moment of passion then just admit it, I won't think any less of you for it.
  • sushiman
    "Perhaps you can explain why the death sentence is just and reasonable"

    the death sentence is given to those that have committed murder and worse. if a person kills another... they will be killed in return. that is just.

    so obvious
  • Abbadon Satanson
    Whilst I appreciate your position on spamming Infidelesto, I do feel I have the right to defend myself from an entirely baseless and unprovoked attack upon my good name, courtesy of Sushiman.

    "See, you’ve just made it obvious that you dont care about morals, or reason."

    Perhaps you can explain why the death sentence is just and reasonable, and opposing its use is unreasonable. Some might argue that the death sentence is inhumane and that no MORAL authority can sanction the death of individuals in cold blood.
  • This website and the moderators here value and respect Free Speech. But when you cross that line of becoming a spammer, you are not protected by Free Speech. You will be moderated. Abbadon you have not been banned permanently, BUT... all your comments are back in moderation for now. If you continue to post comments that say the same thing you have already said, they will not be posted. IF you post a comment with something NEW and different - even if we do not agree with it - it will be posted on the site. Until then, your spam will sit in the moderation box. We apologize to any readers who have had to waste time reading the same argument over and over. This policy should be obvious to all... the internet does not appreciate spam... and will be in effect for anyone posting comments.

    Thanks for your cooperation in keeping this site intellectual and spam-free.
  • Quit feeding the troll
  • sushiman
    Heh, I'm sure if someone was without a doubt guilty of murder and worse... and the death sentence was imposed by america, you would still have a problem.

    See, you've just made it obvious that you dont care about morals, or reason. The death sentence is given out to those that have done incredibly horrible things (you can argue if there are false guilty charges or not, but thats not what you are saying).

    What you are saying is this: you have no problem with murderers, they are OK in your book. You have a problem with Americans, and anything they do is BAD. Thanks for showing us all how racist you are (even though american is not a race, you treat it is as such).

    Try not to keep repeating your same arguments that are false. How many times can we tell you that no one here thinks all muslims are bomb wearing wife beaters? In fact, the word muslim is rarely used, instead choosing to use a form of the word islam, a religion that is accepting and promoting of crimes against humanity. k thanks, stop posting the same nonsense.
  • Abbadon Satanson
    Firstly I don't give a monkeys if this site "is designed to warn about the dangers of ............. the religion of Islam", I will continue to make my presence known whenever you falsely represent Islam.

    I am not a Muslim, but the vast majority of Muslims are not bomb vest wearing, wife beating, Yank-beheading fundamentalists that you suggest that they are. You are insane or stupid if you believe otherwise.

    Sista, I'm sorry if I failed to understand your distinction between article and BLOG POST, I don't spend my life sat in front of a PC, and I would posit the theory that few in the world would make that distinction.

    If you chose to ASSUME that I was referring to the "article", then that is your mistake, not mine. An intelligent person takes account of the potential failings of others.

    "The phenomena of forced marriage does not only occur in Islamic states. Just in case you wondered."

    This observation was valid, forced marriage is a cultural tradition, not a religious one.

    To see the importance of this distinction consider this:

    I don't have a problem with Christians for imposing the death sentence, I have a problem with AMERICANS imposing the death sentence.
  • Sistainfidel
    Ab,

    Ok, so you are changing your story. What you meant when you said this "article" implied forced marriages only take place in Islam is that this BLOG POST implied that, not the article. A blog post is not an article. Once again, you are non-sensical and too stupid to notice.

    Discussing the barbaric practices that are accepted and condoned in Islam does not imply it does not occur elsewhere, it implies it occurs in Islam, and your suggestions of anything else are laughable at best. If you can quote somewhere in this blog where we (the bloggers) said that forced marriages only occur in Islam, go for it. Otherwise, your own projections are of no interest to me.

    I did not say your comment was not valid, I said you are becoming a troll and unless you comment something new you will be banned. You can bet your fracking ass.
  • sushiman
    what abbadon fails to understand, as sista mentioned, is that this site is not designed to heal the world. it is designed to warn about the dangers of one aspect of the world that exists today, namely the fascism and totalitarianism that are inherent in the religion of islam.

    arguments that apologize for this behavior simply because it exists elsewhere are incredibly easy to point out as FALLACIES.

    abbadon, dont be a fool: no where in the united states of america is it allowed to FORCE someone into marriage. if you think otherwise you are badly misinformed.

    how many times can we say, "the rest of the world is not perfect, but only islam accepts, allows, praises and worships murder, rape, forced marriage and the abuse and mistreatement of women"

    there i said it again. maybe for once u will read... and then think.

    instead of reading... then regurgitating the propaganda you have probably been feed since childhood.

    have a nice day apologizing for terrorism.
  • Understatement of the day...

    "I fail to understand " - Abaddon
  • Abbadon Satanson
    I fail to understand why the fact that the source of the article is Arab News falsifies my assertion that this 'commentary' blog suggests that forced marriages occurs only in Islamic states.

    Perhaps you can explain this to me. If you can make a coherent response to this then I will stop posting responses to this commentary.

    Finally, the "this happens elsewhere too, so don’t pick on my religion alone” comment is perfectly valid, and you can bet your fu*king ass I will respond to all articles which suggest that some kind of behavior is peculiar to Muslims.
  • Sistainfidel
    Ab,

    This blog is commentary, not news "coverage".

    You asserted the article implied that this practice is only in Islam, and your assertion is not only wrong, but silly, considering the source (Arab News). My assumption gave you the benefit of the doubt, that you must not have read it, to have come to your conclusion. If you did in fact read it, then you've only proven yourself unable to intelligently analyze an article.

    Its called intellectual dishonesty.

    You remind me of all those Imams we hear on talk radio here who filibuster with non-sensical arguments so that you can't even argue with them, because there's no intelligent point to argue. Then when you (meaning a caller or the host) give up, the Imam declares "victory", when the truth is they've only exposed themselves for what they really are...Islamist and terror apologists who hate America and Israel. Our readers are smart, and can see the truth here.

    If you want to comment on every post that "this happens elsewhere too, so don't pick on my religion alone" then I will grow more tiresome of you than I already am, and decide you are a troll who needs to go away permanently. Find a new angle, one with some teeth.
  • Abbadon Satanson
    Sista,

    "Since you obviously did not even read the article, you missed that this article is from Arab News, and most certainly does not imply what you stated above."

    I did read the article and I fail to see how you can blithely assume that I did not. I never stated that this had not happened. However from reading the coverage of this article on this blog some may assume that this kind of distasteful marriage only occurs in Islamic societies. This is untrue.

    Indeed, if you want to cover the article correctly, then really there ought to be some kind of disclaimer which makes reference of this fact, otherwise you run the risk of making this blog an unjustified Islamophobic rant.

    "This site is not about the global human rights issues of the world. Its about Islamo-fascism. Start your own blog to talk about all the other injustice in the world, there’s plenty."

    This post and the one above does not pertain to the injustice of forced marriage in non-Islamic societies. Rather, they observe that this is not a phenomena which occurs only in Islamic societies.

    '“Look in an encyclopedia instead of making ignorant statements that make you look like a fool.”

    Heh. Read the article instead of…blah blah blah.'

    Muahaha, Read my post instead of..............
  • Sistainfidel
    Ab,

    "The implication from this article is that this is a practice which occurs in Islamic states only. This is bull."

    Since you obviously did not even read the article, you missed that this article is from Arab News, and most certainly does not imply what you stated above.

    This site is not about the global human rights issues of the world. Its about Islamo-fascism. Start your own blog to talk about all the other injustice in the world, there's plenty.

    "Look in an encyclopedia instead of making ignorant statements that make you look like a fool."

    Heh. Read the article instead of...blah blah blah.
  • Abbadon Satanson
    If you want to state that in all non-Islamic areas which practice forced marriage the practice is not ACCEPTED then you had better prove it. Find a wiki article at the very least.

    The implication from this article is that this is a practice which occurs in Islamic states only. This is bull.

    Look in an encyclopedia instead of making ignorant statements that make you look like a fool.
  • sushiman
    Here is another of Abbadon's Fallacy:

    "since it exists elsewhere, islamic people are not bad for diong it"

    the difference, as i have tried to point out, but you so stubbornly refuse to accept (because it would make u look bad) is that in islamic states this practice of forcing children to marry old men is ACCEPTED and a part of the RELIGION! in other places... it is not accepted, and in no way a part of the religion (at least not in the us... and not in christianity or judaism)

    where are your facts? o wait you have none, only propaganda.

    look that up in wiki.
  • Abbadon Satanson
    The phenomena of forced marriage does not only occur in Islamic states. Just in case you wondered.
  • FFFish
    Of course an older man is preferable. Who'd want to marry a hot-headed young guy who's out to prove he can control his wife? I can well imagine that in *that* culture, this sort of thing really does work out best. The girls get a mostly independent life (the old man is already sharing his time with three other women, let alone his business and friends), good safety, and financial security. Ain't my cup of tea, though.
  • Too disgusting to think about before, or after dinner.
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