Top 10 Quran quotes every woman MUST SEE

This makes me so sick to my stomach. Thank you for sharing this, I will keep this personally. On a side note, thank you for all the content and multiple posts a day, you are doing awesome!

his is my new favorite website!! Thank you so much Mr. InfidelsAREcool!!

This list can account for one of the main reasons that a Hilary Clinton supporting "liberal" minded 28 years old poet/law student had for supporting the liberation of the people living in the Muslim societies in the middle east!!!

The problem now is with the funds, and the fact that the dictators we are fighting have proven a most brutal, unworthy type of foe.

I honestly hope that Prez Obama is realizing, without bringing down moral support for
our troops,
who are working SOOOOOO hard.. so hard we can' even imagine,

In the frikkin DESERT
fighting the good fight, the one our forefathers dreamt of..

Spreading tolerance

Which these middle eastern societies have not had the luxury of for the past thousands!? of years

Perhaps, it's now the time to negotiate with our minds
and sacrifice a handshake to a bow
Instead of the lives of our brothers and sisters, and children,
fathers and mothers, and friends

to an adversary unworthy of the cost of humanity

I wanted Hillary for president but alas...

I think that America has bigger problems than to wage wars on other peoples deserts.

Something like
14.5 million unemployed (www.bls.gov)
35.5 million hungry (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27771447/)
this list cold go long (I hope that you got the point)

First fix and correct your own society and then go out and introduce it to others as the way to be and live - feel free to force it down the throat then.

But don't go out and force others to comply to something that doesn't work back at home.

And considering tolerance in those societies for last "couple of" centuries - yesterdays slave was able to become leader almost over night - and most importantly he was able to buy himself out of slavery - he was not sentenced to slavery for his entire life and religion promoted freeing of slaves.
And Christians and Jews were living pretty decently under those intolerant ones until "tolerant" European westerners crusaders came and slaughter everyone in Palestine (including Christians, Jews, Muslims and others).

Ignorance is worst thing that one can have - don't be proud of it.

God help you and your ignorance...read a book for f***'s sake

you have no idea about women in Islam!!! you have taken things out of context... go educate yourself properly before you make shit posts!!!!!

Out of context does not work. I know a women from an Islamic area and she said this is how it is. I don't believe Obama rhetoric and lies. He is manipulative and cold hearted. Hope we have some left by 2012.

i agree with Aksa im a muslim women and we are very much respected

even if he has taken it out of context, it is still there.. so meaning there is a chance of these things being used against women.. so technically, the religion has some flaws in advocating them... don't u think?

Islam as religion doesn't have any flaws in it. Some people practicing it have flaws.

Whatever is revealed in Qur'an has Prophet's (saws) comment on it or has his implementation of it or same from his companions - so for anyone to take and give different meaning to Qur'an verses later or now is sin and it's stated by Prophet (saws) that it is sin.

So from Islam's point of view everyone that misuses anything form religion gets punishment for it, and anyone on whom it is misused gets rewarded for it (sometimes in this life sometimes in the hereafter) - Any rightly guided muslim should prevent misuse of religion.

let me say it like this, if you read: "husband kills wife" , then you'd think this man should deserve the death penalty. but what if the story changed to: "wife attacks husband, husband fights back" . Then the version of the story has changed and you would sympathize more with the man. It's the same thing. Anyone that would read this would think how unjustice Islam is with women. So why wouldn't all muslim women leave islam, or why would other women convert to islam in the first place? i know feminists that have converted to Islam just because of the equal treatment for women. first, people shouldn't misinterpret the words of the Quran because thats not how they're all interpreted. second, somethings might sound debatable because there's no explanation. To verify and understand something, we have to educate ourselves and not allow ourselves to believe what everyone wants us to perceive.

It's okay, Aksa. Once the likes of the Taliban takes over rule, you'll understand what the rest of us are talking about. Until then, be grateful you've got it so good as a muslim. Continue to delude yourself.

I am not muslim, from Miami. Santero with Roman Catholic background.

Educated through God, cultures must be respected, as they are upheld with dignity.

Conversation via dalogue is also beautiful.

name calling, judging, trying to gain rank or fame off idiots that can't live a pure life is not going to make any of you any better.

Namaste

And how do you know what Taliban government was when they ruled. All that you and I know about them is what has been served to us. We haven't been there - haven't seen it.

Last thing I remember is that there was much less deaths and opium produced in Afghanistan when they ruled (opium production was almost gone).

Sure thing is that they went little over the edge with their practice of Islam and Sharia law - but just little over the edge and not allways.


And you can reed more about them from Brittish jurnalist which has been their captive at begining of war and it's a woman - so "torture was inavoidable". Her name is Yvonne Ridley and you can find out more about her by google (http://www.google.com/search?q=Yvonne%20Ridley)

And how do you know what Taliban government was when they ruled. All that you and I know about them is what has been served to us. We haven't been there - haven't seen it.

Last thing I remember is that there was much less deaths and opium produced in Afghanistan when they ruled (opium production was almost gone).

Sure thing is that they went little over the edge with their practice of Islam and Sharia law - but just little over the edge and not allways.


And you can reed more about them from Brittish jurnalist which has been their captive at begining of war and it's a woman - so "torture was inavoidable". Her name is Yvonne Ridley and you can find out more about her by google (http://www.google.com/search?q=Yvonne%20Ridley)

Not everything is interpreted correctly. There is no where in the Quran where it says a man can marry a girl before passing puberty. either someone just purposely added it, or obviously does not know how to read. so if someone actually wants an interpretation from 1-10, here it is:
For number 1: It's not even stated once in the Quran.
For number 2: it's misinterpreted wrong. In the Quran it explains that a wife should be respectful and obedient, and so a man has the right to be firm with her, not abuse her!
For number 3: The verse is right, but the title is wrong. The title claims that a man can just get "rid" of one of his wives, but no where in verse does it even say that. A woman is not a toy, and no where in the Quran does it mention a man is so free.
For number 4: yes, its correct and there's nothing wrong with it. What's wrong if a religion permits polygamy? There are many cultures and religions who have accepted and embraced polygamy. Why is Islam being looked upon as the culprit? It clearly says in the verse that the man must treat them equally, and if he cannot, then one is better. -I can go on for the reasons why polygamy is allowed: As we all know, there are almost double the amount of women than men in the world (due to factors such as men required for war, health, age, etc.). For this reason, Islam has allowed polygamy to give the chance to other women to be married and experience the fruitfulness of marriage. It has even been statistically proven that for every man, there are 3.1 women. If a women prefers to keep the marriage as monogamy, there's nothing wrong with it.
For number 5: It is COMPLETELY misinterpreted! During war, muslims have spared the lives of their opponents (male or female) by letting the opponent serve them until free (and not even into slavery as the the previous slavery in america) So the verse says that no man should marry a woman that is currently married, but is permitted to marry the girl who is serving him (completely different back than during slavery in america where no white man was allowed to marry a black women and so forth) For number 6: the verses are right, but the title is misleading making it sound wrong. In Islam, a woman/man shouldn't get divorced for more than 3 times. If someone got divorced for the 3rd time, then their marriage is basically over. Islam takes its marriage seriously, and if someone's marriage fails 3 times, then obviously its not going to be heading to the right way. That's why if a women marries a second man, it would only be realized how serious divorce is and shouldn't be taken for granted. And for anyone who might disagree with it shouldn't go against these views as the Roman Catholics don't even allow divorce.
For number 7: 100% correct, but needs explanation. First, I must point out that in life, a man/woman should be treated equally. But what is equality? Does equality mean the same? Islam says that both man and woman are equal, but that doesn't mean the opposite sex are the same (biologically speaking that is) Don't women go through phases during menstruation, pregnancy? Women are more softer, tender, less offensive. Men are more tough, firm, and straight to the point. Women also tend to forget easier than men. That doesn't mean men are superior, it just means they're different. During a testimony, it's very possible for any woman to soften the tensity of a situation to reduce the burden on an accused individual. Women are women. They're more biologically soft hearted than men. Knowing that women place such warmth inside, its better if a man testifys along to validate the act as it was. Emotion plays a big part on women's life and can easily move them.
For number 8: Also 100% correct and needs explanation. Actually if once understood, any woman would accept it. In Islam, a man is required to attain all the women's needs as it is a requirement by him in Islam. That doesn't mean a woman can't be independent and work, it just means that a woman has the right to let her father, brother, husband, manage her financial income. For this reason, a father that passes away gives his son double that of his daughter as the son is obliged to pertain stability for his own wife and his sister. It is the man's duty in Islam to look after his wife, mother, sister, in respect to the woman. Having said this, it would only make sense that the man get double, as he is the one who's obliged to look after his sister. So this is actually making it easier on the woman as she also gets to spend her share of the will with complete freedom.
For number 9: Also 100% true. I have to say this though, women have always wanted to feel like their status is as equal to those of men. Looking back at history, we have seen feminists fighting for women's rights throughout the world. But let's face it, men have always been dominant. Adam was the FIRST man created on earth and Eve the SECOND. The man was always "the man of the house". The man was always the prophet. Why is it even in christianity that God was chosen as man (referring to Jesus), while Islam claims that God is no man or woman, but merely just the fact that man has played a vital role on earth; yet people want to attack Islam by saying that muslim men claim they are superior? Haven't all our presidents been men? Great dictators/leaders...men? Man has always seemed to take control. This idea has always played in the nature of men in all generations.
For number 10: 100% true, but the title misleads the meaning. I'm just going to get this straight out: who Doesn't enjoy the pleasures of intercourse with their partner? Man OR Woman. I could definitely see whoever is against Islam would debate on this, even though there is nothing really to be combative about. The verse needs understanding. It's as clear as this: God created Adam along with Eve so that they share companionship, love, friendship. Why didn't God create another guy Adam? Because for a man and woman it is what they both will ever want from each other. Yes, that includes straight out sex. The verse may sound something different than its true meaning behind it. The verse says that God created man and woman for both its pleasure and fruitfulness. So the verse says to the men to enjoy (the gift of women) and feel free to choose the one they love, exchanging love and passion. What is so wrong with that? Don't people have intercourse normally with other people? Aren't there pimps, prostitutes, players out there doing what is that fills their desires? But why is it when Islam forbids adultery, and allows intercourse in marriage to be enjoyed seem to be so wrong? Why is it when a single man and single woman commit adultery to fulfill their desires seem to be normal, but everything that Islam says to protect society from corruption and immortality seem to be restrictive? Why is it that the Torah or Bible are not being inspected by doubts, but the Quran full of flaws and injustice? And why is it that people have to be ignorant and not educate themselves to gain the truth? This is coming from a woman who used to be a skeptic feminist. But I've come to a realization that in order for one to understand something, one must willingly free doubtful thoughts and look beyond a meaning that has so much more to it. Islam is not a religion of hate, or unjust to women. It does not advocate violence nor does it permit muslims to commit acts that could violate the rights of others. Would it be fair to say that a group of people are terrorists simply because individuals of that group have engaged themselves to something wrong? Each individual should be judged in regard to themselves as a person. A religion should be judged within the content of its message and not the accusations and hatred coming from a group of opposing individuals. Islam, like any other religion, advocates peace and disfavors domestic violence. If people have nothing else better to do than attack it and run fictional facts based on lies from the media, then we all might as well keep each other off track. Speak kind words. And speak the truth, or better not speak at all.

woow very interesting !
you've just learnd me things I wasn't aware of :)
I would love to talk to you about Islam
add me is u wish !
Have a good day

thanks for criticising islam i am in search for negative comments so that i can clear out the misconceptions in the minds of peaople islam is the true erligion..i know and its ur ignorance that u are unaware..thank u once again!!bye bye ...ha h ah a

sajid,

No one here is ignorant of islam. What we post is truth taken from various media sources, and even quotes from muslims themselves, about intolerance, violence, and hatred. It is you who are ignorant, of the fact that islam is dying, muhammad was a pedophile, a terrorist, a thief, and a lunatic.

u stupid sket you dirty slag your the one thats tryin to lead evryone to yuor path u stupid hypocrite

Why do people run for their lives when Islam invades? Because Islam is murder, torture and oppression for anyone who disagrees. And you show exactly that, you violent, perverse, sorry excuse for a human being. May you be with your loving prophet soon. But, sorry to say it won't be where you think. Think 'warm'.

Nobody runed avay from Islam they embraced it with open hands. That's why it spread so fast and that's why it spreads even now as fast as it used to.

If it was oppression and terror it wouldn't last - look what happened to Hitler and guys like him.

Almost all of today's muslim world is not even ruled in Islamic way nor by islamic government. Nobody forces anybody to be muslim (look in America) and yet they practice Islam and more and more people are coming to Islam.

Thing is that you were thought to hate, not just Islam you were trained for hate manny things because you are then controllable and distracted from important issues.

Hate for Islam comes because Islam propagates world brotherhood, love and equality, and you were learned from when you were kid to hate different.
Do you see now why they want you to hate it without letting you to actually learn anything actual of it - have you learned anything actual of Islam?

Don't know last time I checked Islam was fastest growing religion in the world.

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?stor...

http://www.islamawareness.net/Fastest/


And considering things you have said about Islam and Prophet (sasw) I wont coment it in order not to start disscussion, but I would recomend you that you check all information from each angle before making decision (Islam teaches us that - and you can benefit from it - if you start to analyze everything that someone serves you)

We've done more than enough research, trust me. Maybe you should start paying attention to the hate coming from your own book? Maybe you should take a step out of the grips of your IMAM and actually do a little soul searching?

;)

If its possible to interperate things in the way above then some will. btw If women are so respected then why the Burka. . . . .why the stonning to death of those who are suspected of adultry and why (in many places) does the Qur'an equate one man to two women. Why is polygamy allowed and practiced still?

Covering of women's face is not obligated but it's not forbidden also.

Stoning to death is not for suspects but for ones that have admitted committing or ones that had sex (out of marriage) in front of 4 witnesses (if there is 3 witnesses they will get lashes - it must be seen by 4 people).

So it is pretty hard to get stoned actually.

It is a system for protecting society and you basically need to do it so openly and publicly that 4 people will and are willing to testyfy it in order for you to get stoned to death.

Stoned for tapping the booty. Your religion DOES suck.

To Woad:
Women wear the Burka so they can be respected. Unfortunately the media likes to display this in a negative way showing that Muslim women are oppressed and forced to wear it.Notice that in the Torah and Bible that women are required to cover.Look at Mary, mother of Jesus. Was she not covered? The Hijab/Niquab/ Burka is worn for modesty.Look at the Amish for example. The girls stick to their traditions by wearing long, wide clothes simply as a sign of respect. Even in churches, it is better that girls cover up. As we all know, girls have become a sex symbol and the challenge to be in the "trend" is on going. Many choose to wear the Burka because they feel a sense of security and comfort knowing that they are not catching the eyes of some predating men whom gaze with lust.
As the stoning of death for those who commit adultery, one must observe the lust that has spread through out the world. You must consider that Islam, like Judaism and Christianity, condemn adultery simply because it has led to destruction in generations. Everything now is sexual, and people everywhere are displaying inappropriate images. People now cheat more than ever, and the desire to have sex is almost now the standard in Western societies. In order to prevent people from committing such acts, there needs to be a punishment, as any consequence would need.
As for the equality between a man and woman, please refer to my last post where i stated "number 7".
I also mentioned polygamy in "number 4", but I would like you to get a clear understanding of polygamy. Unfortunately due to all the wars that men have went through, millions of men have died, either being single, being husbands or being fathers. Due to this, there are millions of women who will never get the opportunity to get married simply because there are more women than men in the world. Is it not in everyone's best interest to find love, get married, have children, and commit to a relationship to start a family? Why should millions of other women not have that opportunity? People think that polygamous marriage might not work, but aren't there monogamous marriages that fail? It might not be in a woman's interest for her husband to bring additional wives, but it really depends how one looks at it. There are many women who accept and embrace polygamy because they understand and feel for other women. For other women who don't, they should not be blamed as it may seem for them a distraction in their current marriage. Everyone has a choice, and a man MUST treat all of his wives equally. If he is unable to do so, then monogamy is best in this case.

Women are not forced to wear the burka? You are correct. A woman can walk outside without the burka. Then immediately get beat by any man who sees her. Then thrown in jail. Then raped. Then sentenced to be whipped for dishonoring her family.

haha...u make me laugh ..chatting bout sumfing u av NOOOO knowledge about!..i am a muslim..i dont wear a burka..n none of the above has appened 2 me...u really like to make stupid misconceptions ...next tym get your facts right!

I I think many would appreciate it very much if you do not take text out of context, and reread and properly understand Islam before you post your ideas about a religion. Yes, many of your above quotes would seem very vulgar and highly wrong if taken out of context as you very well did. But the fact is each of these horrid sounding statements has other text before and after it with exceptions, explanations, literal vs. figurative definitions, etc. I don’t mean to be rude, but just fyi, this can be taken offensive.

I don't believe anyone is worried at all about offending anyone.

To be sure, I looked up all the texts in question. Yes, there are verses before and after. Yes, the translations vary slightly in wording (my copy uses older english like "tilith.") But the meaning of these verses has not been distorted; their corresponding verses do not change the intent one whit.

If we all went around worried that at any moment we might offend someone, nothing would ever get accomplished.

M. Teli,

How about you DO something about all the muslims who use children as suicide bombers, raping their maids and killing them, blowing themselves up in markets, funeral tents, weddings, etc..., and decapitating journalists like Daniel Pearl, instead of whining about "context". Instead of whining about phrases in the Idiots Guide To Terrorism (the quran) being "taken out of context", why not DO something to stop muslims from blowing themselves up, flying planes into buildings, and calling for an entire nation to be wiped from the map????

Actions speak louder than words whether the words are in or out of context. It appears to me that the words are in context and that the actions of Muslim men are in line with the words of the Quran.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/4CDF1CEC-779C...

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable....

http://www.cathud.com/LINKS/pages_GL/Islam.htm

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable....

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=2...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm

http://infidelsarecool.com/2007/12/19/top-musli...

http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/16...

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=h...

To Storm Rider:
So you are judging a religion based on what some individuals do? There are numerous of bad people from all religions. Aren't there people like popes who molest children? Or people like Hitler? Does that mean Christian people are bad? Or Jewish people? The Quran does not advocate violence even if some Muslims choose against it. Also, not all information we get from the media is even true. It'll always be bias because it's coming from a group of people who are against Islam to begin with.

y.k.

No I don't judge the entire Muslim religion as evil. The peaceful practice of Islam - the worship of God - acts of compassion and mercy for the sick and the poor - this I love and admire from good Muslims. There I wish to be your eternal friend.

I oppose and I encourage eternal warfare against Sharia Law and murdering Islamic Jihad. Thomas Jefferson said it well, and he was speaking against corrupted Christianity at the time, but it applies to corrupted Islam and all forms of tyranny:

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thank you Storm-Rider, I have always loved that quote, it does not get quoted enough or so I believe. I also like this one, "Anything taken to an extreme can become evil." Strapping bombs on children, stoning adulterers without a fair trial and condemning those that leave Islam to death...well I think thats extreme and has became evil. Just a thought...

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." Thomas Jefferson

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/i...

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Patrick Henry

http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/henry.shtml

To Storm Rider:
You are absolutely right. But unfortunately, people do not view Islam or Muslims through positive means, simply because of a few individuals' actions that give Muslims a bad name. Most of the terroristic acts done are cultural and nothing to do based on the religion. On top of it all, the media is not making it any better. As you can see even on this website it tries to bring people against Islam when in fact these people are making false accusations and have got the wrong idea all together. It's because of things like this that Muslims have gained so much negative attention.

Y.K.

No, we are not in complete agreement. It is not just the actions of a few individuals that give Muslims a bad name. All of the terrorist acts of murder are religious and not cultural. This website is helping to educate people about the threat to their lives and their liberty which Totalitarian Islam represents. Totalitarian Islam is Murdering Totalitarian Islamic Sharia Law and Murdering Totalitarian Islamic Jihad, and our struggle against it is World War IV; and it will be a long war. There are no false accusations here - yours is a false accusation. Mass-murder and political coercion will gain much negative attention.

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” Patrick Henry

I think the problem seems to be that people are obviously getting the wrong idea of "Islamic Jihad". You and so many others follow what the media wants you to believe. Jihad means to fight for the cause of God. Meaning, if a group of people are fighting off and killing innocent Muslims(which is the apparent situation at the moment) then Muslims have the right to fight back. Should one sit back and wait until his or her entire nation is demolished? Take a look at one of the posts written above by "with-Aksa". That would seem a good point. The media puts in bits a pieces of a story and leaves crucial details that could change a story. Islam would not be the fastest growing religion in the world if it were truly violent. Nor would it have women converting if it were "oppressing women". If you want truth, you have to search. And searching means you know both sides because I can assure you that getting info from Anti-Muslims means the reality is only non-existent. Islam, like any other religion advocates peace. Who ever is against it is against it and always will be. As the saying goes: "An eye for an eye" (Exodus 21:23–27) People fight to gain their rights, and that includes everyone.

y.k.

No, we are not getting the wrong idea of Islamic Jihad. Your "fight for god" came to America on September 11, 2001, and that was no "fighting off and killing innocent Muslims" - quite the opposite little man.

It is we Americans who have a right to fight back against this evil of Islamic Jihad - we will defend our God-given life and liberty.

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” Patrick Henry

Storm-Rider......911 was an inside job. Research that one. Otherwise I am in agreement with you.

Name the insiders and give me some links to the actual evidence.

Storm,

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for actual evidence...

First, if it "were" Muslims who took part of the tragedy on September.11, then you and I are in complete agreement. Hundreds of innocent people died in the most tragic way. But lets Ignore the fact that I believe that September.11 was an inside job (as so many other American people believe as well), what did Iraq have ANYTHING to do with September.11? What I understood was that these muslim "terrorists" were up somewhere in Afghanistan. MILLIONS of Iraqi citizens are dead, thousands of U.S. troops are dead, and all for what cost? Oil? Trust me, I used to fall for the medias information. I just searched for the missing pieces of the puzzle. Muslims, including Christians, Jews, Athiests, who kill innocent people are just evil. A Muslim man who rapes and kills a girl is not considered to be a real Muslim, or a real Christian, or a real Jew. A Muslim father who kills his daughter for not wearing the Hijab has nothing to do with Islam. It is AGAINST Islam to kill UNLESS you are fighting to defend yourself. In Islam, it is not permitted to kill children women,and innocent men. Who does so is wrong (Muslim or non- Muslim). The absurd killing that you and I hear are so-called Muslims who follow their culture instead of their religion. It has nothing to do with Islam. The things we hear are bias, and the government controls what we hear in our so-called Freedom of Press. The government says they fight terror, but all they do is terrorize not only the American people, but the hundreds that have turned to millions each day.

9-11 was an inside job, the Saudis did it. Them and those Americans traitors drunk on their petro - dollars...

y.k.

YOu and the idiots who believe 9/11 was an inside job are part of the problem. The media is biased in favor of muslim terrorists. That is why this blog exists. Your lies are pointless, and a waste of your energy on a keyboard. If your claim that "A Muslim man who rapes and kills a girl is not considered to be a real Muslim, or a real Christian, or a real Jew. A Muslim father who kills his daughter for not wearing the Hijab has nothing to do with Islam. It is AGAINST Islam to kill UNLESS you are fighting to defend yourself. " has any merit whatsoever, why did Muhammad order the extermination of entire tribes of Jews? Why do you, and people of your ilk continue to denounce a blog that reports what is seen in media sources from the middle east, and Asian muslim countries, yet claim we are painting a negative picture of islam? Why do you not denounce imams who strap bombs to little girls and blow them up by remote? If the Government controlled the media, there would be no leftist MSNBC, CBS, ABC, or NBC, so right there your lie is exposed. If the Government controlled the media, Keith Olberman would be in a cell somewhere being tortured, just like they do in Iran and Syria, which, YOU GUESSED IT, are muslim countries. Muslim countries are the ones who censor the media, look at my article here about the Afghani journalist who was sentenced to death for questioning the barbaric teachings of the Hadith. You can serve up all the taqqiya you want, but we here are no idiot socialist puppets. I bet you are one of those kooks who believes the global warming bullshit that fat bastard Al Gore spews.

"what did Iraq have ANYTHING to do with September.11?"

y.k.

Totalitarian Islam is bi-modal, it is a two headed monster as Norman Podhoretz has described it in his book: "World War IV - The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism."

On the one hand you have mass-murdering Islamic Terror organizations whose aim is to establish Sharia Law in non-Muslim lands by force. On the other hand there are Fascist Islamic nations who are terror-supporters, and where Sharia Law is already in place either openly or in the background.

The United States is now engaged in World War IV against an international conspiracy and alliance of murdering Islamic Terrorist groups and murdering Fascist/Islamic Nations.

During World War II America was at war with the Axis Alliance - an alliance of murdering Nazi, Fascist and Imperial nations: Germany, Italy and Japan. We were attacked by Japan on December 7, 1941 at Pearl Harbor. America's first significant execution of Just War against this Evil Alliance was Operation Torch - the Invasion of Morocco.

People may ask, "Why did America attack Morocco - they didn't attack us?" People may ask, "What did Morocco have to do with Pearl Harbor?"

Here's your answer, y.k.: When a member of an alliance of nations, or an alliance of nations and non-state actors such as terror groups, wages unjust war against a particular nation; that nation is then free to wage just war against the entire alliance arrayed against it - just war in defense of national life - and in the case of the United States - just war in defense of life and liberty.

The enemy nations or groups do not get to pick the time or the place for America to wage war. Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Syria, are members of the Islamo-Fascist alliance, along with al-Qaeda and other Islamic Terror groups. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Indonesia are probably on the list as well. These are the members of an evil conspiracy and alliance which has declared War on the United States of America, but we are not at war with ordinary good Muslims who are not supporters of the evil International Islamofascist Alliance.

Rudy
Keith Olbermann is an Independent news anchor. One of the good things about America (unlike some Arab countries as you have mentioned yourself) allow people to have a say without being interrogated for it. But people like Olbermann or Michael Moore can only speak out so much until the government bombards more conspiracies to terrorize the public, masking them from reality. Do you think that the mass media is incapable of lying? We're talking about the most powerful, wealthiest, influential people in the world. They're very much in control over what we see or hear, and I can assure you that they play a greater role to the American public. You're talking about a small percent of those who are independent thinkers. How many times do you hear "Muslim Terrorists" compared to "the lies of the U.S. government"? Practically incomparable. There's more evidence of support coming out from people who say that 9/11 was an inside job than what the government has ever provided. So instead, the government takes advantage of its leading power and uses the mass media to convey the so-called "horrific acts" of Muslims, which they know will be of a greater influence to the people. Every time they bring this up, fear is created, thus internal hatred is building up towards the Muslims.

As for the Prophet Muhammad "terminating" the Jews. Again you only take the info you want to hear. How about you complete it. How about you mention that the Muslims and Jews at that time were in one land together, living under a Muslim country, which over a period of time the Jews wanted to kill Prophet Muhammad (as they had to pay their taxes), which then led to Prophet Muhammad saying to get rid of the Jews. You leave such crucial points out as if Islam condemns the Jews or Christians. But you would probably ignore the stories about the kindness between the Muslims and different religions. There is a well known story about Prophet Muhammad and his Jewish neighbor. Everyday this neighbor would dump garbage on the doorsteps of Prophet Muhammad's house. One day Muhammad got up and found his doorstep untouched. Questioning why there was no garbage as every other day, he went to his neighbor to ask why he had not come to dump garbage. Normally, one would just be grateful that their neighbor stopped giving them a hard time. But regardless, Prophet Muhammad went to visit his neighbor, after realizing that day he was sick. It was because of this act of kindness that his Jewish neighbor converted to Islam. No one should go on saying that Muslims hate Jews.Islam is peace. It is because of this reason that so many people convert because they try to understand what Islam is really about without absorbing the negative ideas the media brings out. Just because the Arab media censor some of the things, that doesn't exactly make them right either. Again that is generalizing. And that doesn't exactly make the American government right either. You'd actually be surprised how many times these Arab governments take sides with the U.S.. Which is why so many Muslims are against their own government (then again its not surprising).

Fyi, no I don't really support Al Gore, Hillary, or Obama for that matter. They're all the same when you look at it. Different ideas in some points, but all stand for one cause. It doesn't really matter who I agree with or who you're against, or vice versa. What matters is people shouldn't hate each other for choosing to believe something. A Christian may be against the beliefs of Jews, but thats how life is. We're not meant to agree with each other. We never will, because that's how we humans are. That doesn't mean we should all go against each other. Understand that humans are not perfect regardless of what religion. We can't go on hating a group of individuals just because some morons do something unforgivable. I can't understand why some people discriminate all Muslims instead of disliking a minority of them. Just like I can't understand why some Muslims dislike the Jewish population because of a few bad ones. Again, Islam is not hate. People who hate will hate and will continue to hate. But hey, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are willing to understand and educate themselves. You claim what I and so many others used to believe. The only difference is some people stick to their beliefs unwillingly accepting new ideas as it would cause a controversy to their present beliefs, and then there's people who accept, change, and embrace to new ideas.
The brain can be so powerful, but only if one knows how to use it.

Storm-Rider
I can see your point, but that doesn't mean for those reasons that America had a right to declare these wars. The U.S. claims countries like Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Syria are all linked. But again, what do the allies have to do with this? Shouldn't the government be looking for its source? Look at the outcome of the war. We're talking about millions dead, millions injured, millions displaced from their homes. War in general is something risky and should be reconsidered with precaution. America is well known for its numerous battles and wars against nations. That's why unfortunately so many people are against America.It would only seem from this point that power has played such an important part. The U.S. has been in the lead, and to lose such a vital position is beyond fathomable. To be able to remain in the highest position (and I'm talking about for any country), resources would have to be flourishing, almost ever-lasting (practically impossible), and then the economy would have to have the means to be able to manage the incomes (imports and exports from different countries) which any country would try to avoid as there would be no longer any means to support such financial pays. Which would mean the country would be incapable of being in control of its society, and therefore falling behind. The U.S. definitely seems to have been good in being so powerful for such a long period time, but for what price? The blood of millions? These wars have helped the U.S. remain in the lead. These warfares gave America the opportunity to dominate and control, and use it all for the country's benefits. To lose it all would be a risk, so to them what harm if there were sacrifices. A sacrifice means nothing to one if there is benefit. What would it matter to the U.S. if they had made other sacrifices? It payed the price thats for sure. To use excuses to allow controversial actions on others by making up propaganda would seem ingenious. It seems to the U.S. that everyone just wants to overthrow the government. Would seem like a good plan to engage in wars, only if the public viewed it the same.

Keith Olberman is a leftist tool. Michael Moore is nothing but a propaganda artist who has a talent for cutting and pasting video to make it suit his purpose. They, and their elitist communist bosses control the media, not the government. If the government controlled the media, no one would know abotu Gitmo, or Abu Ghraib. You are right in that they are allowed to speak with out fear of reprisal from the Govt. But they spew forth outright lies, and are often called out on it. They always find a way to make the guy who blows himself up the victim, such as the kuwaiti terrorist who was detained at Gitmo then release due to leftist whining. What did he do? Went right back to Iraq to blow himself up. But I am sure the explosion was "taken out of context", as the leftists love to say. And who gives a crap about Abu Ghraib. Awww poor terrorist who love to blow themselves up in the name of islam, were made to play naked twister, and had a female laughing at their tiny genitals. Breaks my heart. Maybe next time we ought to be merciful like they are, and just cut their heads off and post the video on youtube. An eye for an eye, but you know DAMN well the US is better than that, and won't do it.

And regarding "more evidence of support from people who say 9/11 was an inside job than what the government provided." So what? People are free to believe what they want. 300 years ago everyone was convinced, they all just KNEW the earth was flat. People today also believed that an ARM was a good idea for buying a home, and that maxing out a credit card because the interest was only 3% was a good idea. How is that working out?

You distort the story of muhammad eliminating the Jews. Back when the Jews and Muhammads's tribe were living in the Arabian peninsula together, it was NOT a muslim country. Islam didn't take its hold until later in Muhammad's life. The muslim country you speak of was not in existence until that point. That's when he started his extinction agenda.

Now, regarding the outcome of the war, where are you getting this "millions of dead" figure? Are you a Rosie O'Donnell follower? As for the millions injured, or displaced, those numbers are misleading, due to the large numbers of Iraqis returning home, now that we are clearly winning in Iraq, something the so called govt controlled media is not reporting to you back in the US. As for what the allies had to do with this, Saddam hosted terrorist training camps, and employed terrorists to kill Iraqi dissidents, both in Iraq, and in Europe, as well as targeting foreign persons with said terrorists. You can find that information in various places. Iran funds and supports Hezbollah, the so-called resistance against Israel, who, by the way just turned their guns on the Lebanese they claim to protect from Israel, killing over 60 Lebanese civilians. The guns they used? Provided by Syria. Pakistan is a threat because Pervez Musharraf has no control over the tribal region of Waziristan, where al Qaeda is holed up. Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Al Qaeda wants to get their hands on one, and WILL NOT hesitate to use it on American Soil. If you cannot process that, it is your problem. As for America being known for numerous wars against nations, you say it like the US is the only nation to ever declare war on anyone. What about The First Reich of Germany against all of Europe? And then Nazi Germany against all of Europe? Iraq attacking Iran in the 80s, andinvading Kuwait in 1991? Or how about the armies of islam invading North Africa and then Europe? 800 years of occupation in Europe included, which resulted in the Crusades to retake the Holy Land, and the Spanish Inquisition, during which fewer people died than on 9/11.into the field in PA? And how about all that genocide and violence in Africa? Sudan, Chad, Nigeria, all muslim, all violent. I guess I am taking the violence out of context.

y.k.

"but that doesn’t mean for those reasons that America had a right to declare these wars."

No, y.k., the war was declared by our enemies - the Islamofascist alliance.

"We’re talking about millions dead, millions injured, millions displaced from their homes.

No, y.k., there aren't millions dead, millions injured, or millions displaced from their homes. The vast majority of innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan and Iraq were murdered by the terrorist arm of the Islamofascist alliance.

"These wars have helped the U.S. remain in the lead. These warfares gave America the opportunity to dominate and control, and use it all for the country’s benefits."

No, y.k., this war has helped the United States defend the sacred life and liberty of her people, not to conquer or dominate.

Storm-Rider I agree! We needed to just send it faster. Let's make it a quickie message to the Islamofascist 'Basket Cases' of the world. Kick butts and take names! No questions asked! GET-ER Done <:)

In refuting your clause 5. Unless you read the previous versus, you wont see teh truth in this. You refered to verse 24, and said that

"5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners."
it was written in verse 23 that you can marry slave girls. how is marriage an oppression(according to what you say) i do not know.

Here are teh TWO verses

23: Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives' mothers, your step daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in - but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), - the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, All?h is Oft?Forgiving, Most Merciful.

24. Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has All?h ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All?Knowing, All?Wise.

Isn't it fascinating how completely brainwashed Islam is of it's own crimes against all of humanity - including their own women? Yet, they have no idea - or are they simply as evil as Moham was? Also,the only benefit you get with being a woman in Islam is : stoning to death, forced imprisonment in your home, being a maid to every man in your life, being forced into marriage, being killed for ______ (pick your crime - Islam has it), and also, let's not forget another horrific thing that no one speaks about - and that is having your vagina ripped from your body. All of it. I should ask Aisha, does she still have it? PUKE!
Wake up Muslim women. You're completely, utterly, hopelessly BRAINWASHED. Use your BRAIN. Free yourself and live your life. You are fools, brainwashed and ignorant. Go visit the site
www.faithfreedom.org.

Don't know why you're complaining so much about Islam and women...Americans are thick, brainwashed, bullsh!tting, thieving, murdering bullies but we don't go around complaining about it do we?

Moni,

We don't stone women for adultery. We don't blow ourselves up chanting "In Jesus' Name". We don't cut peoples' heads off and put it on youtube. We don't cut off the clitoris from our women. We don't call Christianity the religion of peace, while THOUSANDS of Christians blow themselves up, cut non-Christians' heads off, molest children, rape their maids, beat women for not wearing a niqab, abbayat, etc... That is what muslims do.

As for Americans being thick, how about those Saudi inbred fucktards known as the Muttawa? You think I don't know about them, and the truth about islam? Come up with something better than insults. The only thing thick on Americans is our skin. Call us names all you want. You use the internet, an AMERICAN innovation. You use a telephone, right? Guess who invented that? AMERICANS.

We don't? How about the people who were blowing up abortion clinics in the 80's and 90's? Um, Roman Catholocism (which I am baptized in) claims to be a Peaceful religion, and how many priests have been accused (and convicted) of molestation?

ALL RELIGIONS are capable of being misinterpreted and exploited. The terrorists are simply looking at individual verses of the Q'aran (which, by the way, the author did too) and practicing their doctrine based on them (without looking at the other verses which give them context).

It was explained to me like this once by a 21 year old Muslim man. Do you know what a Muslim was before Mohammed? A Christian. And before Jesus? A Jew. Islam believes that Abraham was the FIRST great Prophet. Jesus was the SECOND great Prophet and Mohammed is the THIRD great Prophet.

Now, let's compare to Mormon (Latter Day Saints) who say that Jesus returned and that Brigham Young is a prophet. Oh, and at one time (if not still) embraced polygamy.

I do have another question for someone else though. World War IV is going to be the war against "Islmofascism" (according to the book that you cite). When the F*** did we fight World War III? I've been alive since 1970, and I remember growing up worrying about World War III. But, unless I did some really awesome drugs in my 39 years, I don't ever remember it being fought.... Clarify this for me please? Or is your author allowed to just skip ahead to the good parts?

I'm calling Bullshit on this entire thing. I've actually READ the Q'aran as part of a college course. I've heard from Catholic Priests who have told me that Islam is a peaceful religion and that they are supposed to actually treat Christians and Jews with kindness and respect.

Here's an example of how things are misinterpreted to meet someone's needs. In the 80's, hostages weren't called hostages. They were "guests". Why? Because the Q'aran says that kidnapping is illegal. So, the terrorists at the time (Shiite muslims) claimed they were "guests". Does that mean that all Muslims wanted to kidnap? FUCK NO. It means that a small sect was twisting the words of their Bible to justify their BULLSHIT. Just like now. A small sect of people is twisting their Bible to justify their BULLSHIT. (You'll note that I didn't say Muslims here. Jews are doing it in Israel, Christians are doing it in different places. Druids are doing it in places. Hindi's are doing it in India and other Asian countries)....

Have a great day :)
Patrick (I'll claim this in name only, but won't register as I probably won't post very much here).

Rudy,

we don't do any of the stuff you mentioned. I do know that Americans interfere where they are not needed, go around bombing and murdering for no reason ie Afghanistan. Americans think they are the police of the world. All they are interested in is oil. So what if I use the net and phone? Don't you put petrol in your car? Where do think that comes from? From Washington DC? Why don't they try to sort out the problems in say Bangladesh..? Oh, right, i forgot NO OIL.

It's not about insults but about you lot not opening your minds. All the stuff you mentioned doesn't happen. I don't even know where you got that from. Maybe the media. Your minds are so closed. Many of the converts to Islam are women. If they are so mistreated, why is this so?

Everything is so pretty and perfect in the USA isn't it? How about your Christian white boy that with the Oklahoma bombing?

You know all about muslims don't you? Course you do, you're American...

To the idiot that doesn't know why everyone is complaining about Islam?
And thinks that there was no reason to bomb you bastards in Afghanistan? Did you think 9-11 was a reason to blast you back to the 7th century - back where you terrorists belong? We didn't - but could of.
As far as oil goes - it was the west that discovered and made everything to extract that oil off your lazy butts - and you profit from it. Basically you sit on something that you did not develop or know about - and without the WEST you would still be sitting in your caves - although your Master Bin Laden is hiding out in one! Ha!

Islamic society is very much psychopathic and your people are so mentally ill - you will self destruct. And yes, it's great living in the best country in the world - the USA - and I bet you'd do anything to get out of the hellhole you call your home if you could get past immigration!

You do realize that the person you just replied to is your next-door neighbor right? Unless they actually said they're in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.... lol

Here's a title of a book for you to read. "The Meaning of the Glorious Koran". I don't remember the author's name, but it's an English Translation of the Q'aran. I highly suggest that you (and everyone else posting) read the entire book BEFORE you spout off. You'd be surprised to find out that the quotes you see in the Media and on sites like this are only a SMALL portion of the book, and that the majority of the book has NOTHING to do with these subjects.

Have a great day:)
Patrick.

(And again, for the record, I'm a baptized Christian..... Oh wait. I'm Roman Catholic, which by some people's standards means that I'm NOT a Christian-- because I haven't been SAVED yet).

I am living in the middle east, about a 2 hour flight from Riyadh. You say that a few muslims are terrorists. Do you know how many a few out of a billion works out to? Try MILLIONS. That includes the khanzir who blows himself up for allah, the money launderers, the "peaceful" muslims sending money from the US and Europe to Hizbullah, Hamas, and al Qaeda. That includes the "peaceful" muslims who shelter terrorists (see Swat Valley in Pakistan). Think about that when you say we are stereotyping, and that only a "few" muslims are terrorists.

As for those asshats who were bombing abortion clinics, I am pretty certain that if/when they got caught, they got a pretty steep punishment. But I love the irony that liberals cry out that it is a woman's right to kill her baby, but then bitch and moan whenever a terrorist is killed or made to play naked twister (abu ghraib). It's ok to kill an unborn infant, but not ok to kill terrorists. Gotta love that liberal mindset.

As for WWIII, that was the Cold War. War changes. In the Civil War men fought in Cavalry lines. In WWII men fought with planes and two atomic bombs. IN WWIII men fought using espionage, subterfuge and the threat of mutual nuclear annihilation.

You can call bullshit on anything you like, you have that right, thanks to The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. Try questioning or challenging the status quo in a muslim country, and you might disappear into a dank prison cell, like so many Iranians.

I have met plenty of GOOD muslims in Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Jordan, and Lebanon during my travels. They hate the hardliners. They hate terrorists. But they do nothing to stop them. They do nothing to challenge the mentality of the jihadi. When I ask them why, they claim that it is God's will if it happens, and God's will if it does not (insha' allah). I asked my ex-girlfriend from Lebanon about that, and she said, no matter the sectarian or cultural differences, muslims stick together.

This war did not start on 9/11. It didn't start in Tehran in 1979. It was declared on the United States, by muslims, in 1783. Do some unbiased research on the Barbary Wars. And remember, in 1783 the US had NO FOREIGN POLICY to speak of. Thomas Jefferson asked the mufti of Jerusalem why had the Berbers attacked American merchant vessels, and the mufti replied that we were guilty of not accepting islam. Read the Hadith and the Sunna, and learn where muslims get their justification for always inciting violence wherever they go: UK? Violent muslims. France? Violent muslims. Australia? Violent muslims. Argentina? Violent muslims. Sudan? Violent muslims. Indonesia? Violent muslims. Lebanon? Violent muslims. And don't try the moral equivalence argument, because I cannot remember the last time I saw a Christian act out like muslims do, and invoke the New Testament, or blow himself up as he shouts "In Jesus name, AMEN!".

Thanks for posting, you write some insightful comments.

Moni,

Muslims DO commit those atrocities. You can lie to yourself and to us about it, but I see it every day. My friends in Lebanon see it every day. Same in Saudi. Killing done in the name of islam. Sunni vs Shia, Sunni and Shia vs Israeli. Shia vs Druze. Sunni vs
Christian. I could go on.

Jillia said it best with regards to oil. The Arab world would be nothing, had the British and American governments not developed the oil discovered here. I do put gasoline in my car. It also comes from Venezuela, Mexico, Canada, The United States, Brazil, and many other places besides the middle east.

Not one single time have I said everything in the US is perfect. Far from it. We have our problems, and then some. But it is 100 times better than any country where islam is in charge. It is 10 times better than Europe, where muslims riot annually in France, kill people in the Netherlands, for speaking their opinion (Theo van Gogh) and threaten to kill cartoonists in Denmark for drawing the pedophile Muhammad as he truly was.

Your white boy hero Timothy McVeigh was an anarchist, and not one single time did he ever claim be blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building up in the name of Jesus or God. Nice try though. You name one white guy who did something that over 40000 muslims have done. I guess that balances out, in your feeble mind.

And for the record, I know plenty about muslims. Most are good, simple people who want to be left in peace. But they do nothing to stop the ones who want to impose shariah across the globe. The United States stopped Saddam from destroying Kuwait completely. Kuwait is now one of the richest countries along the Gulf Coast.

The United States created, funded and trained the Mujahideen in Afghanistan when the USSR invaded. They thanked us on 9/11. We are responding now. And they are running like the cowards they truly are, since neither allah nor muhammad can stand up to the forces of Freedom and Liberty.

Americans have bombed nearly 40 countries since World War 2 - what a peaceful nation.

By the way who caused World War 1 and 2 where millions died? Can't pin those horrific wars on Islam!

Funny how people talk about Freedom and Liberty - the forces of Freedom and Liberty are so strong that if people do not accept them the US will just FORCE them onto nations - even if it means by dropping million dollar bombs on them! What better way to promote the ideas of Freedom and Liberty!

Moni-

Think with your head. Americans did not start WWI, it originated in Europe when in fact, the USA had adopted an isolationist policy.

WWII was not started by Americans, but an evil man intent on controlling the world, and whose major aim was to destroy the Jewish race. Hmm, notice a similarity there between Hitler and radical Islam?

As to your comment that America has bombed nearly 40 countries since WWII, get real. That is nearly 1 out of every 6 countries in the world.

Let's try and count. Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Grenada, Lebanon, Syria, Grenada, Panama, Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

Forty?? Forty?? Please. Even if I missed a few, that is a far cry from your lunacy. As to our being the world's policeman, yes, we are far from perfect, but we at least have the moral courage and fortitude and strength to address our enemies head on, in the name of freedom, and above all, EVEN IN THE MIDST OF COMBAT, to spare lives of the innocent.

Can you say the same for your deceiving, cloaked, cowardly mad bombers and assassins who delight in the murders of children, raids on schools and public transportation as much as the defeat of a soldier?

To the idiot called Jillia,

I wouldn't want to get past immigration of the UK to get to that thieving, murdering country.  Didn't you know your ancestors murdered the Indians with diseased blankets?  If the mid east turns off the tap tomorrow, your thieving country will be on it's knees.

Matt,
I wouldn't expect you to know.

here you go:




Afghanistan 1998, 2001-present
Bosnia 1994, 1995
Cambodia 1969-70
China 1945-46, 1950-53
Congo 1964
Cuba 1959-1961
El Salvador 1980s
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69
Indonesia 1958
Laos 1964-73
Grenada 1983
Iraq 1991-present
Iran 1987
Kuwait 1991
Lebanon 1983, 1984
Libya 1986
Nicaragua 1980s
Pakistan 2003, 2006
Panama 1989
Peru 1965
Somalia 1993, 2008
Sudan 1998
Vietnam 1961-73
Yemen 2002
Yugoslavia 1999




Afghanistan 2001-02

You know what the best thing would be for your guys to do?  You know all those women that are converting in places such as Texas?
For example:
www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-918435314...

Well those ppl are born into liberty and freedom and they don't want it.  You should let them know how bad Islam is for women because it seems they prefer the respect that is given to them in Islam rather than the liberty and freedom of the USA.

Talking to you lot is like banging your head against a wall.  Go and listen to your joker of a President and go and bomb some more countries.

"EVEN IN THE MIDST OF COMBAT, to spare lives of the innocent."

God that made me laugh so much...hahaha . Like when you were carpet bombing in Afghanistan ..?

Goodness, you better let all the converts in your country know what's really going on...lol

Well, Moni, I still don't see FORTY countries, and I see a helluva lot of justification, including BOSNIA where their is no oil and we went in to save the lives of MUSLIMS.
We are not perfect, and yes, instances of abuse of power do occur. But it is not mandated by our predominant religion, and while we don't always succeed, we DO try to protect the rights of the innocent and ensure freedom for all. Again, it ain't perfect, but other than Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber, we have a lot less cowards and murdereres of the innocents than anyone on YOUR side of the fence. As a matter of fact, there aren't enough fingers and toes on the congregation of one average mosque to count the number of your sad, pitiful "martyrs" .

I do agree that we should not hate each other, as your point of view is more sad than deplorable.

By the way Moni, to your reply to Julia,
If the mid-east did indeed turn off the spigot to the west, it would be YOUR kind eating sand and drinking oil. That region, while it could indeed inflict short term economic harm on the west, needs us FAR more in the long term than we need them. Other than oil, sand, camel meat, and hatred, what exactly DOES that region have to offer?

Hey Moni- Here's a list of countries that Muslims have bombed since 1980.:

Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Tunisia, India, Spain, UK, USA, UAE, Russia, China, Indonesia, Sudan, Chad, Kuwait, Phillipines, Angola, Somalia.

It is all bac, but the most shameful part of this sad list is how many more innocents died than military targets.

Moderate Matt - SCORE!

Moni -FAIL


:D

this website makes me sick. the problem is that you all a kuffars, disbeliever and hypocrits. The truth is that you western woman are the oppressed, you have to sell your body in order to get attention. Islam emancipated woman. My husband gives me my rights, and I feel like a queen, all you women get is drunkens, and wife beatersm who cheat on you, and come home in filth and disease. May Allah curse the those who disrespect Allah and His beloved Prophet

Matt,

You left out Algeria, Argentina, Bangladesh, Chechnya, Dagestan, Ethiopia, France, Ingushetia, Gaza, Greece, Kenya, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Maldives, Nigeria, Qatar, Sri Lanka, Tajikistan, Thailand, Yemen, The West Bank, and I am sure with some earnest research there are more.

What on earth is wrong with this Muslimah, her hatred for the West and her appalling,  sexism is obviously getting the better of her. But she non the less freely chooses to live in the West enjoying all the freedoms, benefits and prosperity it has to offer.  Notice the cursing, [ typical] she is obviously seething.  She should seethe in a corner!

In response to the comment by Mrs. EMANCIPATED:

The more pious a muslim becomes - the more murderous they become. They then lose their ability to reason, rationalize, make judgments  - as well as  understand and grasp reality. It must be difficult for you to grow up and learn that everything you have been taught by Islam is a lie. Yes, that must hurt, however, I don't think you've become educated enough yet; you have not yet gotten out from under the thumb of the brainwashing that comes from being born to Islam.
The other fascinating  thing about Islam is how does a person that has the ability to either see, hear or read honor and  follow  a  man such as mohamad?  How could one read about such a criminal and sit back and say - "Hey, this guy is great - I want to be just like him"? If you can see - you would be able to see the hatefests that monopolize all your time, education and daily activities.  Please explain to us how you can use your mind - use logic - and decide that you want to be like this man? This is an ignorant man who  murdered, engaged in torture, theft, beheadings; lying, enslavement of whole peoples as well as raping small girls?  Can you give anyone a reason to follow such a psychopath evil man, other than the brainwashed masses that is Islam? Do you lack intelligence or is it because you have been so brainwashed with hatred of things not Islam through lies?   Do you want to harm others and you feel you deserve to harm others for not wanting to be like you?  Go look in the mirror, and ask yourself... "do I want to kill  those that refuse to believe mohammed? Do I want to engage in and do I agree with the mass murder of infidels ".  Go ahead. I want to know if that is what you want to do- because your Koran and your "prophet Mohamed" has demanded that in order to be faithful to him - this is what you must do.  Then come back to this post and tell all of us that you have made a decision that if we do not believe in your prophet - that we all deserve to die.  I want to know if then you will understand who you truly are and what Islam is. That is your choice - and you can't have it both ways. You can believe in equal rights for all people - or you can believe in your Mohammed that says we should be dead because he is the only God. It is not a difficult decision, which shows all of us how corrupt and ill Islamic society is.

In fact, Islamic Supremacists - which is the core of Islam -  have no capacity  and no understanding of humanistic values, rights and has no civility whatsoever.  It turns even small children into psychopaths - unable to sympathize and empathize with others.  It kills all things that are not like it - and has no respect for the for anything including the earth, nature, animals or any living thing. In fact, identify any area of the world on the map where there is Islam - and you will find out of proportion rape and murder, welfare states, economic despair, crime, polygamy, honor killings, corruption, death, drugs,  and just outright hell.  It's an imprint Islam leaves all over the world - wherever they plant themselves.

In addition, I laughed when you brought up womens rights in Islam. I laughed harder when you brought up disease!! You must already know that AIDS is alive and well in all the Islamic countries. In fact, it's so out of control that Muslims are dying and are about to die in record numbers from AIDS!!! First, because Islam is unable to do anything but hate - ironically enough - will be it's downfall.   Did you know the reported estimates (Islam will not admit to the disease) of AIDS in Islamic countries is up 300 percent! Remember now, that is just what Islam has been forced to admit because it's observed from the outside world. Since Islam would like us to think it's culture is pure, however we already know it is not - it's this culture of denial  that will lead to it's own demise - like a suicide mission, simply because your culture of supremacy will not allow you to take responsibility for the disease - and ways to stop it by altering your behavior - and that behavior is allowing AIDS to spread in unprecedented numbers throughout your world. Again, this is Islam. And although Islam can try to blame everyone but themselves for this - we need not do anything to you.  Your "cultures"  supremacist attitudes, your hatred of all others, your lack of responsibility for anything - including your own lives - is what will stop Islam in it's tracks.  It has already begun.

Look up AIDS in Islam. It will offer you enough information to grasp how quickly it has spread throughout all your populations to know - but I'm sure you see and hear more about AIDS than any westerner because we in the west tackled the problem decades ago.   Your culture has been dying from this disease for decades. Now it's so completely out of control that millions of babies are being born every day with the deadly disease. In fact,  there is a special out on Cinemax called Sari's mother - that talks about AIDS and her inability to get help living in the Islamic world. It will be on this month.  Everyone should watch this. Also, if you google this - it will get you to some information about AIDS in Islam:

March 29, 2007
At a UN Development Program meeting yesterday in Bahrain, Sayed Aqa, UNDP's country coordinator and representative, said HIV/AIDS CASES HAVE INCREASED 300 PERCENT IN THE ARAB WORLD OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS!

"This is against an annual rate of increase of 20 percent in the United States, Japan, Europe, and Australia.

Take a look at this: The Poor Saudis. They import everything - and then take a good at the GDP for these countries. Appalling - and laughable.  Islam has made all those that touch it into useless consumers and killers:

Sultan al-Mazeen recently stopped at a gas station to fill up his SUV, paying 45 cents a gallon — about one-tenth what Americans pay these days.
But the Saudi technician says Americans shouldn't be jealous. Inflation that has hit 30-year highs on everything else in the kingdom is making Saudis feel poorer despite the flush of oil money.
"I tell the Americans, don't feel envious because gas is cheaper here," said al-Mazeen, 36. "We're worse off than before."
While Saudis don't feel the pain at the pump, they feel it everywhere else, paying more at grocery stores and restaurants and for rent and construction material. While the country is getting richer selling oil at prices that climbed to a record $145 per barrel last week, inflation has reached almost 11 percent, breaking double-digits for the first time since the late 1970s.
"Gas prices are low here, so what?" said Muhammad Abdullah, a 60-year-old retiree. "What can I do with gas? Drink it? Take it with me to the supermarket?"
Al-Mazeen says his monthly grocery bill has doubled — to $215 — compared to last year, when oil was at around $70 a barrel. During that time period, the price of rice has doubled to about 72 cents a pound, and a pound of beef has gone up more than a third to about $4.
Moreover, Saudis are grappling with unemployment — estimated at 30 percent among young people aged 16 to 26 — and a stock market that is down 10 percent since the beginning of the year.
Many Saudis are realizing that this oil boom will not have the same impact as the one in the 1970s, which raised Saudis from rags to riches. This time, the wealth isn't trickling down as fast or in the same quantities.
One reason is the kingdom's growing population, says John Sfakianakis, chief economist at the Saudi British Bank. In the 1970s, the population of Saudi Arabia was 9.5 million. Today, it's 27.6 million, including 22 million Saudi citizens.
That means the state, which controls nearly all oil income, has to spread the wealth among more people. Besides a generous social welfare system that includes free education from pre-school through university and other benefits for citizens, the public sector employs some 2 million people and 65 percent of the budget goes to salaries.
"The state, yes, is wealthier, but the state has close to three times the amount of people it has to cater for," said Sfakianakis. "Even if Saudi Arabia had lower inflation (in the 1970s), the country and the needs of the country are bigger than what they used to be."
To read the rest of the article:::::::::::::
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_where_s_the_wealth&printer=1;_ylt=Ajmf7D7VssMHx8ydAuJJcioUewgF ---

Muslimah, I am saddened by what you think goes on in the western world, clearly you are a victim of Islamic propaganda.  I don't sell my body for attention, I dress to impress myself.  If my man likes it, wonderful, if not, well that hasn't occurred.  I will tell you this, he will not beat me, rape me or have another woman as Islam allows their men and I use the word "men" loosely, filthy pigs is more fitting. May the one true God bless you with knowledge and empowerment.

If Islam stopped it's murdering and committing genocide all over the world  - we would not be forced to go in to protect the innocent. And we will protect them from you.  Also, you and your homicidal gang - should be GRATEFUL that we left anything at all standing in your murderous nations. But don't worry - like a pesky gnat  - you do any more harm and we will have all the justification to send you all back to the 7th century - back to your caves - like your leader Osama is - in the dark and hiding. A coward like all of Islam. You will no longer be able to kill Native Africans in the Sudan or any other part of Africa; no longer enslave little boys as sex slaves - no longer be able to pick women out of the Nuba Mountains and make them domestic slaves, sex slaves - or allowed to steal small children from their parents and make them beggars for Islam.  (Such disgrace!)   Islam will not be able to torture animals nor will they be permitted to have the largest dog fighting groups on the planet; nor will they be able to commit genocide on the remaining Albanians left on the planet - since they already killed over a 2 million. Christians and Jews will no longer be slaughtered for your pleasure.  Muslims  will no longer be allowed to sue the innocent for speaking their mind; no longer be able to kill their own daughters after first ripping their sexuality from their bodies. Islam will no longer be able to throw acid in the face of girls; make them marry a man that beats them; will no longer be able to rape any women freely... and well... where should I end this?  This is is a list of atrocities that is only a small beginning of Islam.  You should be ashamed of yourself and your "believers".  I call your group - Walking Satan - or Satan on earth - the epitome of evil.  Just remember,  the time is getting near when our gloves will come off in fighting you.  It will be a fast and easy fight - even though you fight like cowards.  Then let's see you cry then. :)

you have no idea what your taking about Jennyjen.. if anyone has a closer connection to pigs then its u people, u eat the nasty thing.. so your admiting to eat filth.. couldnt agree more. Unlike your men, our Muslim men wash 5times daily, and prostrate before The One True Allah in Submission and Humility. The One True God has blessed me Alright.. thats why im A muslim and follow the Path of Allah bought by the Last messenger. If you look at the orignal biblical texts u will come to realise that our religions (all abrahemic faiths ) are not that different at all. We have the same goals, and hope to achieve the same destination, but have different means of reaching so. As muslims we respect prophet Jesus (Isa) and his teachings. But over the years its evident that christianity has changed, and so has the Christian nation.
jillia as for you.. and your long essay of nothing but BS supposedly stating 'facts', your living in Lord knows which century.. Muslims didnt kill, or bury there daughter alive.. it was practiced before Islam was revealed, it was the idol worshippers and pagans. As i said Islam emancipated Women. In Islam there is no such thing as forced marriages, unlike some christianity sects (mormons i believe)... Genocide... oh ok..so that Pig who goes by the name of George Bush was spreading Love was he.. ?? Our only leader as Muslims is the greatest of All Prophets, the last Messenger of Allah, Prophet Muhammed Peace and blessings be upon him. what you hear and see on TV are little Pigs like G W Bush tryin to pollute the world with Shaytanic ideology. All that you wrote Jillia was a waste of time because its not Islam.. talk once you actually know what Islam is, CHANCES ARE YOU ALL WONT, SO THATS A ONE WAY TICKET FOR YOU TO HELL THEN I SUPPOSE. HAVE FUN.

Oh dear,  Muslimah, has worked herself into a lather again, must be from all that washing! Well, to be fair, between all the washing, the praying and the cursing, she  may not find  time for little  else other than working herself into a lather, every time someone, refuses to submit to her point of view. Calm down, they'll be no submission, that is a dead cert, so keep right on washing!

Sorry, but with all due respect, Jesus Christ was not a prophet, to even suggest that, is pure, unadulterated blasphemy, not to mention the little shameful detail of telling porkies whenever it suits her.  He  was the son of God, this is an undisputed fact and  the bible is there to  prove it. Just wish some of these people,  would show some  respect and stop trying to cause insult where non is necessary.

Frankly, hell sounds far more fascinating, interesting and much more fun,than   being stuck in boring  paradise as a recycled virgin.  No sire, that would not be for the modern liberated woman, who chooses her own man and dumps him if things does not work out. Forget the virginity crap, that is a trap designed to snare all decent, respectable and intelligent women. 

Please forgive me , but  I am off now, for a bier and a hot dog, to unwind for the day, far better and infinitely more satisfying than  the pie in the sky, or paradise  when you die, kind of thing.

"He is the son of God, this is an undisputed fact and the bible is there to prove it." Jews will dispute that fact until their "Messiah" comes.... And the BIBLE (as well as the Q'aran and the Torah) are all books written by human beings. They aren't God's word handed down on Stone tablets (which were carved by a human being as well).

A bible is Mans interpretation of what THEY think God said. Nothing more. This goes for the Q'aran and the Torah as well as any other bible or doctrine of any religion. Unless someone can show you the actual tablets that GOD created, it was created by a human hand, and the human's mind will have altered it in some fashion.

Have a great day:)
Patrick.

muslimah,
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you're twisting the true meaning and warping the interpretation you retarded idiots, read deeper instead of trying to blemish the worlds most popular religion

Hamza, if we are twisting the words, and not reading deeply enough, why are muslims DOING THE VERY THINGS written about in this post? Why are we constantly reading about little girls in Yemen sold into marriage at age 9, or at age 15 in Saudi? Why are women routinely beaten, mutilated and/or killed for "offending the honor" of the family, in Iraq, Saudi, Jordan, Syria, Gaza, Pakistan, and Afghanistan? And why have I met so many women who were divorced on a whim by their husbands here in the middle east where I work? That includes Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, Kuwaiti, and Persian.

You calling us retarded idiots does not disprove anything written here. However I do give you credit for using proper grammar, spelling and punctuation.

YOU FILTHY PIECE OF $H!Tt RUDY. ALLAH'S CURSE WILL BEFALL YOU AND INSHA'ALLAH YOU WHOLE FAMILY AND YOUR LOVED ONES. YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SWEARING AT THE BELOVED OF ALLAH.. FAT CHANCE ! SO YOU DISBELIEVERS AND FUEL OF THE HELL FIRE ( IE THE JEWS, FOR EG AND THE CHRISTIANS) ARE TELLING ME THAT THE NUNS IN YOUR CHURCHES ARE MARRIED TO GOD... RIIIIIIIGHT... YOU PEOPLE ARE TWISTED... AT THE SAME TIME JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD... SO ERMMM ... LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT INCEST ALL UP YOUR SYSTEM..
 
CAMEL PISS... HAHA ! Bs.. U GOT IT TWISTED AGEN YOU FILTHY RAT !
TO BE HONEST ALLAH HAS ALREADY CURSED THE JEWS AND YOU CHRISTIANS DIDNT DO MUCH IN PLEASING ALLAH, AND NOR DID U TAKE HEED FROM THE MESSEGE OF PROPHET JESUS.. SO UR DESTINED FOR HELL ANYWAY..NO POINT IN ARGUING WITH U SHItt HEADS ANYWAYS. GO GET DRUNK.. HOPE YOU DIE DOIN SO AND  ROT IN HELL SADLY EVER AFTER.
ISLAM IS THE ONLY SAVIOUR.
ALLAHU AKBAR !

JUST GOIN TO TAKE ONE QURANIC VERSE AND SHOW U HOW THIS WEBSITE HAS TWISTED THE TRUTH

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like .

THE AYAH ( VERSE) IS ACTUALLY SAYING THAT WOMAN ARE LLIOKE FERTILE LAND, PRECIOUS AND SHOULD BE LOOKED AFTER. NOT OVER USED AND TREATED WITH CARE!! NON OF YOU SKETS POSTING ON THIS WEBSITE ARE MUSLIMS.. AS ME , A MUSLIM WOMAN ABOUT ISLAM OF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT NO.. NOBODY WILL ASK A MUSLIM WOMAN , HOW A MUSLIM WOMAN FEELS.. !

TWISTED KUFFAR !

Muslimah,

You spelled "SHIT" wrong. Dumbass. You are absolutely correct, we did not take the message from allah. We do not condone molesting 9 year old girls, like Pedophile Muhammad claimed allah made halal for him. Nor do we drink the urine from camels, as Muhammad claimed was good to do.

And yes allah has cursed us kuffars. He cursed us with good hygiene, the ability to drive a car and buckle our kids up, the ability to discuss the fallacies of our own faith without having to cut people's heads off. Now I am going to go drink a beer and piss on a quran.

allahu khanzir, ya manyukah :P

good hygiene. your dont even wash you ass after taking a dump.. or your mouths for that matter, considering both are full of sh!Tt.. and i will spell it how i want it bastard. the fallacies of your faith... oh the  faith of the shaytan// full of fallacies.. i agree. you think by pissing (auzubillah minashaytaan nirajeem) on the Quran you will achieve anything, or inflict any harm to our Muslim Ummah? whose the dumbass here!!!!!!!!!!! u thick plank , it makes no difference cos the munafiq and mushriq have done far worse, and paid the price. InshaAllah you will too. do what you will at your own risk.

Ok let's look at this more closley, and analyse this ... each and every point.
There are unfortunately a mass of mis-interpritations about, but when one simply looks for negativity without questioning the wisdom behind the action, now then we have something called "looking for trouble' ..or more precisley 'nit-picking' ...

A faith with almost 2 Billion  followers cannot simply be ruled out either by the words of a few orientalists, or the actions of a few misguided individuals, ... so as a human being with reason, let's analyse this ...

You stated:
10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
... If you understand the arabic language, you'll understand the beauty of this verse. Now, ...one of the most prised posessions of a farmer is his field, and he tends to his field, patiently and with care. You need to look into this more deepy, not simply ... 'a women is like a field' mentality ... no no its not as simple as that my friend. Islam also teaches us, "Do not approach your women like the camel approaches the she-camel" ...  In the west it's very common for women to be treated not only as a sex object, but without dignity, care, tenderness or respect ...  The verse above is telling men to treat their women kindly with care and tenderness during sex, any scholar will tell you the same, so please...dude, use your head, and think ...like the Qur'an asks you to do.


9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.
That is reffering to the Husbands responsibility to provide and be the head of his home. In every other respect women are equal. It's not rocket science, its siple really... If you go to a school, it has a head, if you go to a country it has a head, in-fact, ... its only natural that there is authority, but within a careing and equal framework, and Islam gives us this freedom. The degree, is only small but not a qualifying system for men to abuse their women. Don't get me started on the abusive marriage breakdowns in the west... and career women not having a family ..etc, i think youve opened a can of worms here and you know it...


8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.
Everything a women has from wealth, is her own... the man needs to work and earn it. Within an inheritance situation, the women will allready have her own wealth, and the man's wealth is for his wife too, hence it makes sense, economically to be fair ... dude you need to look at the bigger picture here. You are infact no different from terrorists who take specific verses and read them out of context and come to a decision... come on, read the big picture, look into the Islamic financial system and you'll understand... :)


7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.
Only in serious matters like murder, and major major finance related cases. Islamic Shariah makes it easier for our sisters. Have you been to a court, in a major case? its nerve bending at the best of times, so there are usually 2 women there, not one ..so they can confer and assist one another. Wow, in theory, id like that for myself too! .. neat law if you ask me :) and theres way more to Islamic shariah judicprudance law than simply, a women is half etc ... lol come on, again, your reading selected lines out of context, and without full knowledge of Shariah law... 


6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.
Divorce in Islam is ... 3. Once a man divorces his wife, he is allowed to remarry her. If he divorces her 3 times, he cannot remarry her. The divorce system is so perfect and really gives a chance for couples to make ammends. If after the third divorce, (permanent) she marries another man, and then shes divorced from him (after 3) then why would they even get back together? Again, extremely rare, but ...its there regardless, and i say again, what a lovely perfect system.

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
Islam was revealed at a time in the arabian peninsula where there were countless depravities. And the term 'sexual' here is not intercourse...  again look at the whole thing in context dude ... but i'll not go into one here and show you up ... i think we both know the truth.

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
It clearly states that one is better than 4, and even then a true Muslim will out of fear from being unjust, will only take 1... additionally in the arabian peninsula at the time, it was common to have 100 wives ... Islam cut it right down. Now, ...how about the 'very common' practice of extra marital affairs people have? .. or how about the fact that women out-number men .. additionally, all behind backs, and illegally and no protection financially for the women he is cheating with ... what about his wife he is cheating on? ... ok Islam protcets us with giving an opportunity to marry 'upto' 4 .. and even then, its not common and are many many conditions to it ... not as easy as you may well think... again, do your research.

3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.
That's not what the verse you quoted is saying! ... infact the verse if you ask me, is clearly asking men to be just and not favour one wife over another... errm get your facts right buddy...


2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
'hit' lol a very common misconception ... women are elevated my friend and that word is 'hit' is not what it implies ... english is not as powerfull as arabic to explain everything in minute detail here... but if your confusing it with 'beat' like what happens to millions of western women every day in ritual marital abuse ..no it dosent mean that, once again taken totally out of context ...

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.
Yes ... and you have a problem with this? .. they are NOT allowed to have sex until she reaches a mature age, additionally ..please lets not start talking about how common peadophilla is in the west as apposed to the east. Moreover, again out of context ... seriously you make me laugh .. you know we need to start going this with the bible or even other general laws of the land and see how you react ..lol with some facts to remind you of ...perhaps how more clergy are secretly forcing kids into sex with them than anywhere else in religious world ..dont believe me? ...ask the pope.

Hmmm ok thats it, ive said my piece :)
peace to everyone!

I'd like to thank you for posting this.
The fact that I already posted a comment of my own, which was basically focused as a "Western perspective", and there are still some things I don't agree with; like committing to polygamy, but that's because of how I was raised and what kind of society I was brought up in.
But yea, thanks for giving me that little piece of enlightenment.
Salaam.

Muslimah,

You seem to have some sand in your vagina, have I angered thee? I have asked muslim women how they feel. I dated a Syrian girl, who's father divorced her mother and abandoned them both. Is that islamic emancipation that you keep babbling on about?

As for us not being muslims, THANK THE ONE TRUE GOD (not your Arabian moon god allah) we are not. We are capable of rational thought and reason, and as such are immediately disqualified. I too will be getting drunk this weekend, however I will not taint my urine by allowing it to come into contact with a quran. If I do die and wind up in hell, I will be sure to say hello to Muhammad, and all your fellow muslims who have blown themselves up in Iraq, Afghanistan, Spain, Morrocco, Russia, England, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Tunisia, Algeria, etc...

Kal-El,

Watch your language hahahaha

Soz, what's that Muslimah et al...? Hmmm, Quaran and Hadith are swell...Eh?
After reading this lets play a quick QnA game: Name 1(just one) Muslim controlled country in the entire world, that offers equal rights MORE than the USA, offers more ANYTHING than the USA,  that has contributed to the global society with inventions, cures, technology??? TY...Enough said.

Quran 4:89: "They (infidels) desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."
Quran 8:12: "Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers;"
Quran 2:191: "... kill the disbelievers wherever we find them …"
Quran 22:19-22: "… for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods."
Quran 8:12: "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.'"
Quran 8:7: "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
Quran 8:59: "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy."
Quran 8:60: "Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them not known to you."
Quran 9.29" "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Quran 47:4: "Strike off the heads of the disbelievers" and, after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives."
Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6985): "Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: 'The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.'"
Quran 9:5: "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Sura 3:151: "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for that they joined companions with Allah for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrong-doers!"
Sura 8:60: "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power including steeds of war to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides whom ye may not know but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you and ye shall not be treated unjustly."
Tabari IX:113: "Allah permits you to shut them (women) in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Quran."
Tabari I:280: "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."
Ishaq:327: "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"
These quotations are not out of context. They are representative of dozens and dozens of other messages in the Islamic "holy" texts. Clearly, they have inspired the violent and hateful behavior of followers.
I know there are many peaceful Muslims who view them allegorically rather than literally. Yet, is it outside the bounds of civil public discourse to challenge such statements?
I think it would be irresponsible to ignore how the Quran instructs its followers.

Charles,

Muslim countries have perfected the suicide bomb-vest, an innovation we kuffars would never have dreamed up. :P

Well Muslimahahahahahaha at least I don't have sand in my vagina, maybe you can get that sand to turn into a pearl and you can buy yourself some freedom!  What the fuck, do not talk bad about American men, especially the Southern gentlemen I have the pleasure of being in acquaintance.
Yes, I love me some BBQ pig, its what we do in the South! Lets see, oh yeah, your people strap bombs on 8 year-old children and send them out to serve Allah-what a crock of shit! Your people stone women to death for being looked at by another man...what, the men in your country aren't man enough to fight each other so gotta blame it on the woman! Dirty, lazy, worthless, stankin-ass donkey taint cowards is what you have for men over there so be proud!
Meanwhile, in a hot Arkansas town, I'm gonna let a good ol' boy bring me a cold beer and a BBQ sandwich!  SNAPS BITCH!!

Stupid peaceful Muslims need to understand this: we, the people in the US/West, are not interesting in seeing the entire world converted to Islam. We are not interesting in seeing our own children, their children and their children's children being forced to read the Quran only. We do not consider Islam to be the true religion. We do not consider Islam to be peaceful, tolerant so as long as stupid peaceful Muslims do nothing against their more radical or fundamentalist peers.

Most of all, we do not wanted our lives or our descendants' lives to be dictated solely by the Quran in accordance.

GOT IT, MUSLIMS?!

Now now, don't forget the upright Islamos that strap em onto
mentally retarded men/women/children as well...Don't take my
word for it, let's take a look at Saudi Arabias textbooks, shall we?
Here's but a few excerpts :) No they aren't madeup or jokes, they
are actual....


1st Grade
"Fill in the blanks with the appropriate words—(Islam, hellfire)
'Every religion other than ____ is false. Whoever dies outside of Islam enters ____.'"
5th Grade
"A Muslim is forbidden to love and aid the unbelieving enemies of God...."

"Which of the following should you love in God, and which of them should you hate in God?
Example: One of your relatives who does not pray, does not fast, and does not worship God.
Answer: I hate him in God."

"Just as Muslims were successful in the past when they came together in a sincere effort to evict the Christian crusaders from Palestine, so will Muslims and Arabs emerge victorious, God willing, against the Jews and their allies if they stand together and fight a true jihad for God...."

8th Grade
"Lesson Goals: 1) The student notes some of the Jews condemnable qualities...."

"God told his Prophet, Mohammed, about the Jews, who learned from part of God's book that God alone is worthy of worship. Despite this, they espouse falsehood through idol worship, soothsaying and sorcery. In doing so, they obey the devil..."

"God told his Prophet Mohammed: say to those who cast aspersions on your religion: has anyone told you who will receive the harshest punishment from God on the Day of Resurrection? They are the Jews, whom God has cursed and with whom he is so angry that he will never again be satisfied. Some of the people of the Sabbath were punished by being turned into apes and swine. Some of them were made to worship the devil..."

"God punished the Jews in several ways for their unbelief and error. Explain the ways...."

9th Grade
"The prophet said, 'The hour [of judgment] will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, until the Jew hides behind rocks and trees, until the rocks or the trees say, 'O Muslim! O servant of God! There is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him'...."

"(1) It is part of God's wisdom that the struggle between the Muslims and the Jews should continue until the hour of judgment. (2) The good news for Muslims is that God will help them against the Jews in the end, which is one of the signs of the hour of judgment...."

10th Grade
"Basic Elements of Zionist Faith:
The Jews are God's chosen people and the souls of the tribe of Israel are a part of God. Other souls are Satanic souls that are like the souls of animals.
The world belongs to the Israeli. It is his right to rule and he has sovereignty over the world in his capacity as God's chosen people above all humankind...."

"How the Zionists Achieve their Goals:
Sedition, ruses, and conspiracy theories throughout history.... The First World War: the Jews played a role in starting it....
Attempting to inundate peoples with vice and rampant prostitution.... They manage bars in Europe and America, as well as in Israel itself.
Gaining control over literature and the arts; spreading degenerate pornographic literature, and encouraging perverted trends in literature, thought and art.
Gaining control over the film industry in the Western world and elsewhere.
Fraud, bribery, theft, and swindles."

"Homosexuality is one of the most disgusting sins and greatest crimes.... It is a vile perversion that goes against sound nature, and is one of the most corrupting and hideous sins.... The punishment for homosexuality is death. Both the active and passive participants are to be killed whether or not they have previously had sexual intercourse in the context of a legal marriage.... Some of the companions of the Prophet stated that [the perpetrator] is to be burned with fire. It has also been said that he should be stoned, or thrown from a high place."

11th Grade
"The Prophet said, 'Do not greet Jews and Christians with the words 'Peace be upon you.' If you come upon one of them on the road, force him to the narrower part.'"
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Me: PHEW! Everyone, it's ok now...As you can see, we are all just
hatin on Islamos...That in fact were are crazy, it's a religion of peace.
I know you all(especially you jews and christians) will sleep better
after reading this, knowing we're safe from them. Wow, I'm sure glad
that's behind us....NOT!

Hi Rudy and all of you other intelligent protectionists!
First let me say - Good job. lol. Secondly, I must recommend to you a book called  'Slave - My True Story' by Mende Nazer.  Yes, I know - it's only one book and I've read so many like this as I'm sure you have - but I gain so much more incite when you read from inside - and in this case this woman was a Muslim, but the difference, that no one will tell you about - is the reason that Muslims are killing other Muslims in the Sudan and other countries in Africa. BTW...Islam is killing NATIVE BLACK AFRICANS -which is their land - NOT ISLAMS LAND. The reason they are killing other Muslims is simple - because those Muslims being slaughtered (genocide) are not Muslim enough. In fact, they are kind people and except for a few prayers - and except for female genital mutilation (yes, awful) - they are nothing like Muslims. So of course, Islam has to do what they do naturally - kill them.  The black NATIVE Africans are very different then Muslims - they are warm, intelligent and loving people.  Anyway, back to this book - I think it's an important read because up until reading this book, I felt that those African tribes were basically ignorant - and not in an ugly way, but ignorant. However, although they have never seen a street lamp, a moving car and other modern things - they are very intelligent and very modern when it comes to loving and caring for people and of course their own people. What does all of this have to do with this topic?  If you had any confusion whatsoever about the genocide of Africans in the Sudan and other places - you will finally understand completely. You'll understand, on a deeper level - how different they are from Muslims.  The book made me cry for many days - it was about a very young girl named Mende, from the Nuba Mountains - who was stolen after yet another bloody raid by Muslims - a Muslim ring out to steal little boys and girls, to make them domestic slaves, sex slaves and god only know what else. By the way, the head of the ring was a Relgious Muslim. (no surprise there) Poor Mende - like thousands of other little girls and boys (and adults too), was a prisoner in a Muslim household for over 10 years where she was beaten, raped, starved and even told that because she was black - that she wasn't a Muslim and wasn't allowed to pray and was even beaten for that.

Now something important:  We need to create a civilian army to teach, train, practice, and arm ourselves for any coming trouble with Islam. I like to call it a protectionist army.   Some may want to learn and practice weapons, some may want to do administrative or other work - however, it's so important. I'm ready to now contact all my other groups and I might even write an article. If you're interested in joining or leading please let me know.
As far as these Muslim sickos on the this thread - they're AIDS count is up 300 percent.  Seems that God takes care of those that kill innocents, rape, lie, steal and kill and abuse all others.

Muslimah


Oh please, Infidels use the lavatory, not a dump to answer the calls of nature. Certainly, the infidels don't need lectures on personal hygiene from those who are well known for using their bare hands to clean their bottoms after using the lavatory.

Mazkan,
“A faith with almost 2 billion followers…”
The bigger the con, the greater the deception and the greater the possibility that it will sell, by sheer virtue of its appeal to the herd instinct inherent in mankind. Every con merchant that ever walked the face of the earth, knew that much. The number of followers has nothing to do with credibility or lack thereof in the faith.

10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into the field.
I fail to see the beauty be it in Arabic or otherwise, on debasing the intimate relations between a husband and wife to the level of agriculture. But that pales, by comparison to the disgraceful attempt to move from the human realm into bestiality by equating such intimacies with that of the camels.

It is utterly futile to even attempt to compare the treatment and conditions of women in the West to that of the treatment of women in the Muslim world. There is just no comparison, no more than there is a comparison between the laws of the infidel and that of Sharia. The facts speaks for themselves!

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives

Women do not need a man, of any degree to look after them, as they are well able to look after themselves and be responsible for their own families! Career women, in particular, are generally very successful both in the business and family world and this is down to their aptitude for hard work as well as their capabilities.

7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man testimony:

There is no “neat” way around this, unless of course, the requirement be made that a women gives ½ a testimony. Hopeless! Anyway, since when did the testimony of two defective women become equivalent to that of one man? Ten, even a hundred defectives, would do no more than compound and multiply the defect.

5. Slave girls are the sexual property of their male owners

“The term sexual does not mean intercourse” Really, try spinning it, the other way around, so that you may get it "in context" and the truth will show up somewhere in between.

4. A man can be polygamous with up to four wives.

“Before, Islam it was common to have 100 wives”. But, now it is very common to have four wives for the price of one. Extra marital affairs are not recognized by infidel law nor do they fall within the orthodoxy of any of the main religions. In addition, extra marital affairs are not for the men only, women can also avail themselves of the opportunity, if they so wish. Neither are such affairs tolerated within the sphere of the marital home, unlike polygamy. Infidel women have equal rights and the same opportunities as men and as such, do not need a man for the purpose of looking after them financially. That would be akin to legalised prostitution.

3. A husband may simply get rid of his undesirable wives.

“Clearly asking men to be just and not favor one wife over another” This has to be the limit in debauchery! Fancy, all the women running around like headless chickens, competing with one another, lined up waiting in turn to get the plonker’s attention. Without doubt, that would make him feel better and more cocky than any rooster in a hen house. The should be no favors whatsoever other than to quickly send the Mummy’s boy packing, all the way back to his mama where he belongs, with his tail between his legs. Followed by a bill for all their trouble in ridding themselves of A Mummy’s Boy. By golly, wouldn’t that be a nice little earner!

2. A husband may hit his highhanded wives,

“Hit is a misconception”, to put it in plain, simple English, any man who hits a woman, any woman, least of all his wife or sister or daughter or child is not a man, but an animal! Under the law of the infidel, unlike Sharia, whether a hit is a bit or a light bit of a hit, whether beaten with a whip or a tooth pick, no words, however divine are allowed to justify it. I am very pleased to announce, that there are no misconceptions with respect to the consequences; just hefty prison sentences.

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls “have a problem with that”

Yes there is a problem with that, normal, grown men or adults have no interest engaging with underage children in marriage, be it sexless or otherwise. Individuals with such needs are universally, classified as paedophiles. In addition, to their mental & psychological defects, paedophiles are also known to have problems when it comes to adequacy, at the south end of their belly buttons. Hence their need to dominate the inexperienced and vulnerable, such as underage girls and children.

I assume by clergy, you mean the catholic priests. All those responsible were held criminally liable for their actions and their victims duly compensated. Furthermore, unlike Islam, their actions were outside the orthodoxy of Christianity as opposed to being sanctioned by it, and they certainly were not following the example of Jesus Christ. So please, do not use cultural relativity and the cover of your so called religion to promote paedophilia, violence, misogyny and women/child abuse. It is more than just offensive, it is plain criminal and that is very much how it is straight across the civilized world from East to West!

You definitely fall into the ignorant category quite fittingly. Women to this day in 2009, make far less than men do in any economy in every country. One ignorant comment, and your whole post is not worth the full read. Next! Sad that just by your words alone its easy to picture you as a stuffy and definitely an old hag. You should be put out to pasture. if you havent already been.

Calling someone ignorant does not change the FACT that everything Frances mentions happens here in the middle east. I have lived here for the last 5 years, and have seen firsthand. You level insults, about someone needing to be put out to pasture. Funny, I was thinking you need to see a chiropractor, get some much needed help pulling your head from your ass.

Someone put 2 up on the scoreboard for Frances!!!

A faith with almost 2 billion followers? Since when is 1.09 billion ALMOST 2 billion? Must be some sort of taqiyya math I am not aware of...

Frances,

If I were a ref, I'd be calling the fight on account of your opponent no longer able to stand upright (their argument in this case):D

This is an open question to everyone on this board.  Who wants to discuss a legal - protection type army for citizens of the US - and later the world??  We are way overdue.  I'll start a chapter in Florida.  Rudy?

I'm sorry to but in but some of the things i am reading here are disgusting.

Pure baseless racism and hatred, i am hearing people talking about what "you people" are doing, and "your kind" just as the KKK and national front are saying.

People saying "lets list the countries that muslims have bombed compared to the US", as Muslims are not a country, maybe it would be fairer to list the countries bombed by christian nations instead, making the list a hell of a lot longer.

As a scholar of religious text i can say that these quotes on the post are completely out of context, the ploughing one is not about "ploughing your wife" but about treating her in the way that you are expected to treat the earth, not to abuse it and use as you will, and the others are completely misread, from the classic western "orientalism" approach which looks at everyone else as backwards.

you can take any religious text out of context and use it, just as priests calling for the killing of native americans and even later calling for the killing of black people as not equals, but the target in the modern world is Islam.

I will not post more, but want to point out (as an englishman who studies such things without ignorance or anti-islamic biases) that some of you here are disgusting me, and calling other humans worthless and lesser.

To be fair; perhaps womaen should read The Old Testament; Leviticus 12-27 for 10 quotes they should know; a woman is woth only abot 40%-50% of the worht of a man, or L18:19 - thous shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness or L20:10...that committeht adultery, the adulterer AND adulteress shall surely be put to death or L21:7 a widow, or a divorced woman or profane or a harlot these sahll a man not take but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife or L21 if a daughter profane herself by playing the whore she shall be burnt with fire.  I don't know about you, but I find this disturbing and in "direct contrast with everything that Western civilization stands for when it comes to the rights of women."

i said i wouldn't post again... but you reminded me...


33: ...As in all the churches of the saints, 34: the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. 35: If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home, For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.  (1 Corinthians 14)


"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." (Exodus 22:18-20)
The last one was especially good, as you have just said how Islam does not accept other faiths, this orders them to kill witches and anyone that is with them!

Dan you make me snicker...You're equating sillyness...Your
intelligence or I should your belief in your own BS is funny.

Ask Nick Berg if he thinks Muslims are good peeps...Oh
wait, ya can't...He doesn't have a head.  Stop arguing stuff
with the Inquisitions, it shows your ignorance. You haven't
but with what I am about to say, you would try.....

Scholar lol, that means you got a piece of paper, and?

I don't see jews or christians blowing up cafes or busses
with women n children in them...They also do not
hijack planes or crash them into buildings. They also
do not threaten Muslim nations with destruction,
daily...Honestly, cut the crap. Don't post on here that
it's a god da*ned religion of piece, it's not.  And if you
believe that, go to Iran wearing a Star of David and see
what happens....Go to ANY Muslim run country and
kiss a man or non-married woman in the streets and
see what happens...You self-absorbed intellectuals are
the downfall of mankind if anyone listens to you!

Ok Dan and Lester, yes that is in the Old Testament and guess what!?!?! Thats where that crap stays! I am a Christian but I do not follow the bible word for word, that would make me a fundamentalist and if there is anything in this world that I am not, it is that!
The majority of Christians do not follow the teachings of Leviticus, or the rest of the Old Testament for that matter because it is archeaic. The Old Testament God is a fearful God, in the New Testament, he sprinkles us with forgiveness and sunshine...all due to the birth and death of his only Son. Allah never had a son to my knowledge, if he did, it was with a whore camel. Muhammed taught destruction, rape and  "convert or die" methods. The main difference between Christianity and Islam...Christians have made it out of the 7th century and evolved into a better people.

Dan 18/07/08
Muslims are not covered by the provisions of the Race Relations legislation so your claim for racism is indeed baseless for want of jurisdiction To get it into context, one has to wonder, if your resort to such measures are for want of a better, counter argument or just another means to intimidate and silence anyone who dare express a view contrary to your own? If the latter, then that is fascism and a more suitable comparator for the mindset of the National Front and KKK.
I have not noticed any views expressed here or anywhere else, calling for; or inciting; the subjugation, violence, or death of men, women and children, be they Muslim or otherwise. On the contrary, it would seem, that the said views, however expressed, are vigorously opposed to oppression, violence, human rights abuses and ignorance, irrespective of race, gender, age, religion etc, etc. But, then, this is not about racism, but rather your problem with freedoms in general and freedom of speech, in particular. As such, your claim, however baseless, is no more than an assault on that particular freedom.
Finally, if you don’t like what is being said, you are still free not to read it. Spare, your hatred and disgust for our democratic freedoms, in particular, freedom of speech without which, I have to tell you now, no other freedom would be remotely possible!

Lester and Dan

Nowadays, as opposed to biblical times, the Old Testament is interpreted according to its spirit as opposed to its letter. Accordingly, you will not hear of any Rabbi, or Christian cleric using it  to promote violence and indignities against women or any other form of human rights abuses. As such, the verses you have given are no longer of any relevance. That is the difference between the Old Testament and the Koran particularly when it comes to women rights or lack thereof.

It's simple really, the Jewish Torah and the Christian
Bible have been revised since written, the Quaran has
not, it's still back 1000's of years ago. For Gods Sake,
even Arkansas has upped finally the age of consent!

Wow, I smell ignorant people. Can somebody take those kind of people back to kindergarden?


Really, what's the point of judging something that you ACTUALLY don't know the real purpose of it? Sounds like somebody's got pessimistic brain. That is, a fact—ha, I ain't judging because for really, you are doing it. Totally a fact, obviously. Insulting, criticizing, and making others look bad. I think you're picky as well and who've been teaching you to do that? I think you've done a really bad job and that's really sad.


Annnnd, you should know that not ALL same certain persons are similar. Do you really think that they ALL are the same? Let's say that this white girl that you've met for the first time that you never actually met a white person before and she tells you a secret... she cheated on her boyfriend and admits that she's a tramp. So, what would you do, huh?


Thinking ALL white girls cheat on their boyfriends and they are tramps too? Ha, that's funny. Not true, right? Because ALL of them ain't the same.


So, QUIT BEING CHILDISH and GROW UP!

Mary  according to your logic;

“ A white girl who cheats on her boyfriend is a tramp
but  that does  not necessarily mean that all white girls are tramps”!

It is quite obvious, from your reasoning that you have spent too long in the kindergarten or madrassa.  Get a life and go find yourself a boyfriend or two and forget about the cheating.

Actually, I understood her logic and will translate it for you.

If you had an ex-boyfriend (or husband) (or in the case of the men on here, an ex-girlfriend or wife) that cheated on you, do you automatically assume that all men (or women) will cheat? I don't, and I have had this.

So, why do you automatically assume that all Muslims are terrorists because a few are? Why do you automatically assume that all Muslims believe and follow the portions of the Q'aran that the terrorists focus on?

In other words, stereotyping is wrong and still stereotyping, regardless of whether it's based on race, religion, or any other factor.

And by my earlier comment in this post, I'm not saying that everyone one here assumes that ALL Muslims are following the doctrine that terrorists are. ONLY those posters who have stated it in their replies. Some people have acknowledged that there are peaceful Muslims who don't follow the doctrine.

Have you ever heard of the principle ofCOMMON CAUSE Patrick?
It's true that most muslims don't commit terrorist atrocities but how many aquiesce in the misdeeds of their coreligionists?
The inescapable hypothesis is that there arew quite a lot!"
When I see demonstrations of righteous muslims protesting the evil crimes of their ummah brethren
;then I 'll applaud and come round to your point of view.
So far I've seen little evidence.(in fact non at all)

I must be a dumbass or something.  If islame is so great, why are the people that LEAVE islam threatened with death?  Why do islamic countries forbid the import of Christian Bibles?  Why are people that are not islaminazis forbidden to mention anything about their religion in islamifascist countries under pain of imprisonment and/or death?  Something seems a bit skewed here.  By the way, I spit on islam, it's false prophet and it's moon-godd allah.  
By the way, why do muslim women need to protect themselves from the gaze of non-family members?  You must have a real important "sexual repression" problem going on over there.

Mary, lol! You do realize you interjected RACE into this conversation?
And guess what? You're a liberal, I'm shocked, really. If a white girl
was a god da*ned muslim wearing a friggin trench coat in the middle
of August in Arizona, and it was bulky....I'd say take her arse down
she's up to no good. So screw your race baiting bullshit. Jerry Springer
whores aren't blowing up kids on busses you POS....

Mary, I heard an Islam Cleric tell the people of Pakistan that Allah will not be happy until we stand upon the White House...and the assholes cheered.  Now from that I deduce that these people have nothing but ill will towards my country and my people and that does not sit well with me...hell, it pisses me off!
The purpose of Islam is to take over the world and establish its caliphate. My goal is to stop the sorry SOB's and anyone supporting their bullshit!  This is God's Country, not allah's!

Dan,
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<div>That stink is your upper lip. I suggest washing your face more often, and not sticking your head up your ass. Might help with the smell</div>

Props to Kal-El for hitting it....

Charles


The race issue is only a small part of the story.


When Mary threw in the example of this “cheating tramp of a white girl” she targeted young women who engage in normal relationships with the opposite sex. Of course, any other example would have done without making a reference to gender or age. For the sake of simplicity, she could have used crows and turned out a bird of a different color for a story:

“ All crows are black but that does not necessarily mean that all blackbirds are crows”


But nooooo, there was none of that.

The example she gave, was a dead giveaway as to the mindset at work. The same defunct, moralist, racist, sexist, ageist mindset who sees nothing wrong in marrying off their underage daughters condemning them to a life of drudgery rather than afford them the opportunity to develop their potential as a human beings. Who are not too troubled or the least bit outraged when a young woman is condemned to death or torture, either by; lashing, stoning, hanging or merely hacked to death, by her immediate family in the name of their so called honour, Sharia style!

Oh I get it Frances...it's like "all terrorists are Muslims but not all Muslims are terrorist" hahaha!!! Sorry I had to do it...what happened to Muslimah? Did she finally generate her pearl LMAO!!!

Long live John Lennon,Imagine all the people living as one,No religion,No country.

John Lennon was a drug abusing moron who was killed by his own fans. He blasphemed Jesus, and got his chickens came home to roost.

Yeah Julius, Imagine, that's all anyone can do because the powers that be will never let that happen. There cannot be peace without war, cannot have wealth without poverty, its a yin and yang thing...I'm sure you understand.

Kal-El, dude!!! Ease up on John Lennon, WTF? He's one of the greatest singer/songwriters to ever live!

Kal-El hit the Lennon thing dead on...
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In the history of our planet, name one peace that was
EVER achieved by peaceful means....

Tyrants and Bullies understand only one thing,
brute force. I don't honestly care if anyone
agrees with it, because it is a fact. Iran will not
relent until they have nukes and then will more
than likely go after Israel in which case drag
us into a possible nuke confrontation.

The Mad Mullahs need to be snipped, Islam
needs to be squashed and terrorists need
to understand that to do terror, we will inflict
terror on them 10-fold. 

Whine away about the religion of piece, but
it understood not to touch our soil for the
last 7 years, BECAUSE of Afghanistan and
Iraq.

Hate GWB or Like em, doesn't negate the
fact that when that man tells a foreign
tyrant "be out of Baghdad in 48hrs or we
are rolling into," we've since learned GWB
DID roll the damn tanks and military in
and enough is enough.  Screw the Mullahs
and all the crackpots in the Middle East,
if they chant hate, bomb em.

Jennyjen,
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Kal-El, I didn't say the man was always right...everyone says something stupid every now and again. And yes Yoko Ono had him by the balls in the end but you admit that he was a talented musician and was part of the foundation of music as we know it. So was Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Bob Marley, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, well I could go on for days....they all did drugs and you say it like its a bad thing LOL!

And Charles, thank you for reinforcing my "no peace without war" statement. I hate that liberal crap about peace should be obtained in peaceful ways...that's a wonderful idea but thats all it will ever be! Violence and the almighty Dollar or Euro, wherever you're from; well that makes the world go 'round.

Jennyjen,
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Hmm, not sure let's ask Janis Joplin or Hendrix
their opinions on the matter...Oh wait, my bad.
Well then there's Bon Scott...Whoops, my bad.
Hmm, well surely Tommy Bolin from Deep Purple
will know...Er wait, my bad again. Hmm, let's us
ponder and ask Pete Fardon from the Pretenders..
Dammit, all OD'd...AND dead. Hmmm. Gregory  Herbert
of Blood, Sweat and Tears, or James Scott of Pretenders
or Shannon Hoon of Blind Melon, Phil Lynott of Thin
Lizzy...Well I could go on, but yea yer right...ALL OD's..
Well now that's not true, Bon died suffocating on his own
puke from being blind stinking drunk and was replaced
as lead singer for AC/DC by Brian Johnson.

Kal-El and Charles, perhaps you didn't notice my sarcasm in my previous statement, I thought the "LOL" would give it away. Jimi and Bon both died from choking on thier own puke, a horrible fate for a person of fame as well as a homeless man.
Are you getting my point now......hope so, I gotta blunt to smoke and a race to watch.

I noticed ;) That is why I stuck my tounge out at you :P We need to come up with a name for their band. How about the Dead Ingrates? :D

Charles, How about we ask some professional athletes, like Curt Hennig (Mr Perfect)... ummm wait, how about Eddie Guerrero... crap, maybe Chris Benoit? :P

Loved Curt! My fiance' found a website once that
listed every person from Wrestling and how they
died, it was quite sad really. Miss Elizabeth!

Sounds good! I get sick to my stomach
seeing lil peeps whining and crying over
artists that OD, suicide, etc...It's silly. I love
most forms of music, but I don't mourn for
Cobain, 2-Pac, Biggie, or anyone that does
crap...You preach violence and live that life
then it's not a big shocker when you die by
it. Love 2-Pac and B.I.G, but talked the talk
and died it. Game over. In fairness to Cobain
he WAS married to Courtney Love...That should
be enough said on his choice.

The Dead Ingrates, LOL!!

It's just horrible that people feel that there is no other solution to life's problems than dying, I mean c'mon wtf? Life is hard but the alternative sucks...unless you're a Jihadist...then you get 72 virgins (they come equipped with Playstation 3's, hot pockets and stridex pads LMAO!)

I looked up every one of these "verses" in my Qur'an, and the majority of them are not actual verses. Don't believe me? Look it up yourself.

I wonder what the quran says about lesbions and transgendered folks?

Olivia,

Do you own a quran written in Arabic, or a sanitized, watered-down English version? I have looked them up, in Arabic, and they are there. You are either being naive and deceived, or are an outright liar.

Jennyjen,

We can make t-shirts of all the dead celebretards (DEAD INGRATES), and draw little a black “x” over each one of their eyes :D

Hold on a sec… The virgins come with PS3’s and hot pockets?!?!?!? DUDE!! Sign me up for the jihad!!!! :P

Points on the board to Kal-El...Olivia is on the mat!

We should have a tee for every dead celebretard so we can piss everyone off! Is it too soon for Heath Ledger!?!? I know its all good on the crocodile hunter, what a tard...you know there was some pissed off crocodiles that damn stingray got him before they did! I'm makin that shirt tonite! :)'

ROFL @ points on the board. While I enjoyed Ledger's last performance, he took himself out of the gene pool, through negligence. Steve Irwin died doing what he loved, and while I did crack up at that joke, I still respect him because he never had any negative press, except that time the media tried to manufacture scandal around him regarding his baby and a croc... :)

You make those shirts, I want royalties, it's my idea!!! IAC comments are my proof of copyright!! :P

Let's see, what does it say...Well, they get
executed in Islamic countries...What do YOU
think it says?

Which verses Olivia? Cause if you are referring
to any I have posted, then yours is clearly
a false copy.

Charles,

I think you just scored the pinfall :D

@ Julius, the koran doesn't even recognize the transgender folks and gays...Remember the visit from President "Imadamnnutjob" at Columbia University, he says there are no gays or transgenders in Iran. If they are there and they "come out of the closet" they will only end up dead. Beheaded would be the preferred method of the Iranians but they could get creative...

Kal-El, don't worry, you'll get your royalties haha!!! :)

just replying to some things that Charles and jen posted earlier in the month

1) JenJen (and Technically Frances also as he stated something similar) -" Ok Dan and Lester, yes that is in the Old Testament and guess what!?!?! Thats where that crap stays!"
The book of Corinthians is the writings of Paul, the founder of Christianity in the New, not old Testament. Surely to be a Christian the writings of the bible are to be upheld above all. Many christians still take the word of the Bible and the teachings of Jesus and the works of Paul to be the way the truth and the light. surely this is what following a faith is about.
And also JenJen, on the 21st you seemed shocked that a Pakistani Imam said that Muslims should burn down the white house, are you not equally shocked that there are Ministers with TV shows in America that say that "America was created to wipe Islam off the Map" and even that "The bible states that the holocaust was to be the Punishment of the Jews for not following Christ." There are Ranting extremists in all religions I garuntee, such as the IRA, who killed many and blew up innocents near to my home, last time i checked those people blowing up Ireland and London were not Muslims.

And Charles. On the 18th of July you said "go to Iran wearing a Star of David and seewhat happens…." Just checking, you do know that iran has a Large Muslim Population right? They make a point of Distinguishing between Jews and Zionists, it is something the country is Proud of. Dr Alan bennett even wrote a brilliant Article on it for Reform Judaism journals. There are around 25,000 Jews in Iran, all of which openly go to Synagogue and an practice their religion in peace.  When the Ayatollah came out of exile in 1979 he made an announcement about them not being Zionists. The Jews in Iran are very proud of being Iranian, even under Ahmadinejalad, as they know that he does not think of them as enemies of the country, even though Israeli and American jews are trying to make them move to Isrsael (which has been met with Hostility by the Jews in Iran)

Dan...Yer a scream, bro!! So, whenever the hitler of iran
says "kill all the jews" he actually just means Zionists..
Funny you should mention that word, usually only the
mullahs and terrorists say it. Proud? I miss seeing them
anywhere, where is their pride? The homosexuals are
proud in the USA, and march showing it in parades...
How come the PROUD iranian jews don't march shouting
"All Hail our Hitler!!" Odd, you'd think they would being
as proud as you claim they are. Exile? Ah, you mean when
the Peanut Jimmy Carter sold out the Shah, ok. Make them
move, quote a non-liberal un-biased source for that entire
paragraph...Don't waste time with NYT or any other POS
supposed news source....If they gush over Obama, it's
not a legit news source....

You are a true liberal tho bro, you're sneaky...Attempting
to compare a handful of whackjobs in the Christian faith
to Mullahs and Islamofacists...Cute. Question for ya stud:
In the wacky christian rant, that would be OPINION and
NOT fact, since nowhere in the bible does it say what is
claimed...However, Imams QUOTE THE DAMN QUARAN
and are NOT interpreting it unlike liberals saying they
are....Buy a damn Quaran and read the thing...

I'd like to point out to you Dan, that you just said that
Christs teachings are to be followed by Christians and
"surely this is what following a faith is about."

Ok, so Jesus said there is no cause for divorce save
fornication. So let's start a campaign to get rid of
No Fault Divorce in all states, Dan. Then Dan you
might actually want to READ Matthew a few times
to fully understand Christ....Then g'head for shits
n giggles skip to Revelations...Which too is Jesus.
Cept then it's the firey sword and he's really pissed
off....

Charles, as he ever actually said to kill the Jews? No.
I certainly know that in the Farsi he has never said to kill the Jews, the closest thing he has said is that "soon the occupiers of Jerusalem will we wiped off the face of time" but never anything about killing all Jews.
Secondly the news sources I use are Generally the ones that spend money on Journalism, not flashy title sequences and the hairstyles of their presenters, and also my own experiences in going to Tehran and talking to a Rabbi there whilst on the Bus, because before that point I believed that tere wasn't a largew Jewish population in Iran.
And I assure you Charles that I have read matthew too many times, as i said before it is part of my Job. The small number of Right Wing christians that you said about unfortunately do have the ear of people such as John McMain and Obama, as McCain actually called Pastor Rob Parsley a "Moral and Spiritual compass" (Not sure if he has denounced him yet...think not) and Hagee also, the one that Quotes the bible and uses it to claim HaShoah as rightful. If that isn't using religion to terrorise a people, i don't know what is.

@ Dan, I said it in the earlier post...Christianity has evolved and developed along with the rest of the world...Islam not only hasn't, but pretty much refuses.  I am not a fundamentalist and most the world's Christians are not- Charles called you out on your liberal bullshit and I will leave that alone.
The bible was written in a time when women were oppressed, not only that but it has been translated how many times....exactly! And who did the translation...white men. Im sure you noticed Jesus is described as having "hair like wool" yet in every white church...he has blue eyes and wavy light brown hair. Yes I am white, I am from the South, but I know shit when I smell it. I'm actually quite surprised that Mary Magdaline didn't get transformed to "Mark Magdaline" when the Catholic Church translated the bible.
Trust me Dan, I am not surprised by their cheering...I know the assholes have nothing but hate for me and my brothers and sisters Infidels. They will come at us anyway they can and they feel they are right and justified in these actions. Which is why I will feel right and justified in my action of "bustin a cap in they ass", being totally rude to any Muslim that looks at me funny and I may just run out onto Main Street here in Jonesboro and scream at the top of my lungs..."Muhummad was a Pedophile!!!!" Just to see if I can stir up some shit because that is my right as an American!
Maybe America was created to wipe Islam off the map? The first settlers wanted freedom to practice the religion of their choice...that's not too savvy to the  teachings of Islam, is it?
And I have never read anything in the bible about the Holocaust, someone's getting smoke blown up their ass! At least the person who said that actually admits that the Holocaust was an event in history...unlike Islamic leaders who say it's a big lie perpetrated by Jews! How can you deny the Holocaust...it's like denying 9/11, oh wait..they do that too.
Defending Islam to me is a waste of your time...take up hemp-twisting or something.

I have read most of your comments. y.k & Matt. love your work. Peace, love 
& happiness, to all. I'm in a cyberspace relationship that started 3yrs. ago as a friendship & in the last months has become serious. He is Islam muslim from Egypt. I am Australian born of northern european ancestry, lutheran. I've been studyin his religion & he has told me of his beliefs. We've been cam chatting for a very long time & know eachothers thoughts & body language. Which helpsos his english isnt always the best & I dont know how hard it will be to learn Arabic, start my course in arabic tomorrow. I have read many books about egypt more so about islam & muslim. Am currently about to read George Negus the world from Islam. George Negus is one of Australias most respected journalists & has possitive influence & integrity. Unlike the Americans. Alot of us Aussies think American are full of shit & brainwashed to be that way. Not that they are to be blamed. We feel sorry for their stupidity &  believe that their government is to blame. I have been doing my own research on the Islam & Muslim, culture & beliefs. I am inspired to convert, at this stage. I was also,  brought up with the influence of my grandfathers teachings for the Church of Christ. I turned away from religion & found that I am scientific in thinking in some respects. I dont wish to waste my life worrying about what will happen to me when I die. On the other hand I dont want to go to hell if there is one. I am primarily considered a good person with a kind heart. I have two very inderpendant yet respectful & loving children. I teach them by example that the ten commandments is a great thing to live by. To do what you like, as long as you dont hurt anyone. To enjoy love, peace, happiness, respect & selfworth. I believe also believe in Karmic laws & Budism is a great way of life, too. Guess i'm multi relgious as well as multicultural, lol. Until now would not have considered converting to Muslim. Having read what i have & the experiences I've had with other religions (I went to a private Catholic girls school for my formal education). I believe that Muslim is the one that most suits me. To make sure & to satisfy my own couriosity i am going to Egpyt soon to find out for myself the truth about Islam Muslims. I can't believe the media hype. Esp. the Americans who are paid to decieve their own people. & maybe fall in love. There may just be a follow up to those interested....

PJ,
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Yes he has said kill the jews..
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Aussies are living on a former penal colony...And?
Americans we're SOOOO worthy of the British
Empire's attention, that when we broke off, hell
broke loose. Aussies? You were so shitty, the Empire
kicked you to an island prison. Is that enough said?

Kal El read the world from Islam from George Negus & properly read the meaning of the holy Qur'an then we'll talk. I'll get back to you when i have finished. Also, it's not ur fault the rest of the world pities Americans because he government has made them all stupid. I feel bad to have to be the bearer of bad news. It's not a personal attack on you. It's the government the politicains & media portrayal & some of the Ameriacns I have met. Peace, love & happiness to you. & I'll keep you posted on my findings. I thank you for your concern. I will note your advice. I just want to know for myself. Not to be corrupted by media & public opinion. Worse case senario my boyfriend keeps me as his slave. lol. I have friends who are in egypt & other friends who go there often & are powerful people so i know i am safe. If i am wrong about what i have said i'll admit it. At the moment i choose to follow my heart & find out for myself. Have a lovely day. & peace be with you.

Believe it or not I was going to post more to the Aussie wanker, but
Mr Kal did it for me! Want funny PJ? Ina  sick sorta way, g'head and
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,394522,00.html
Check out this story...Or goto
http://www.michaelsavage.com
Check out the video of Nick Berg getting beheaded because he is
an American Reporter? Listen to the background beyond his screams
of agony as they behead him, to hear them praise Allah.

Soz, when can we see a video of a Muslim being beheading and hearing
Praise Jesus!? We cannot...Why? Because the followers of Christ would
recoil at the thought of such a thing, as it would be against Christ's
teachings.

In the New Testament, Peter asks Jesus this:
“Lord, how many times may my brother sin against me and I have to forgive him? Seven times?”

Jesus's reply was simple:
“I tell you not just 7 times, but 7 times 77 times!"

Now do you see the diff?

Charles , we paid our way over here, only my great grandfathers family cae from england he came here as a minister to start the first church of christ in Adelaide , no convicts were sent to Adelaide. My family is english french german polish. Hatred is a small death. anger is the murderer of the mind. Respect & love. Peace be with you. & i dont hate Americans. I guess i should stop listen to the media hype on them too. I will find out for myself the truth about america. In the mean time i wish you love  & happiness & will continue with my current studies. America will be next on the list. I asssure you if i find out that the media has misrepresented America i will also get on that band wagon to resolve public opinion. I do not  wish for war. I wish for all to be at peace with eachother. I detest that the world is full of argession. Not good for the soul.

First church of christ and yet you said you went to a Catholic school..
Hmm, direct opposition there, wouldn't you say? Stupid, murder is a
god damn Scimitar that is rusty going across the neck of a fucking
human being and slowly cutting that beings head off while praising
allah...Get it DEE-TA-DEE???? You worthless hippies are just that...
ROFLMFAO!! Anger is the murderer of the mind? Are you retarded?
Read the damn Quaran if you want Anger...You're so big on reading
as proof, instead of anything, read it and witness true hate and anger.

Know why the Inquisitions began? In response to Muslims...That's
why...Get it now? Only through the mindset of "They bring a knife,
we bring a gun" mentality did the muslim onslaughts stop. They
raze a village, "we" obliterate a state,...Get it? If not it's ok, the
Muslims back then got it, that's why the muslims today live back
in the pre-plumbing, pre-thought days....Guess what's coming?
The same crap...There will be an awakening in the old British Empire,
the old Roman Empire and the future NEW Americas Empire(sic) that
will deal with muslims. Islamo Fascists are vermin and need to be
treated as such. LOL I'm shocked, but not really. Hey Mr. Rushdie,
is there such a thing as a violent Muslim? What? No reply?!?! Oh that
is right, you are in hiding for your life cuz back in the day you wrote
a simple book exposing Islam/Muslims...Then got a death warrant
issued on yer butt....Good thing it's a religion of peace, RIGHT MR
RUSHDIE????

Is the hippie movement drug induced or stupid on purpose?
Name one god damned peace that was EVER achieved by
peaceful means? EVER? Answer: It has *NEVER* happened.
POS's like you are like Independents , while in the middle of
the road, you get ran over from both directions...Choose a
side and back it....It's on..

get a life Charles, it's people like you who have real issues & give americans the bad name they are accused of. i feel sorry for you. I dont suffer fools kindly.

You know, in the West it is much easier to find out what a complete and total fraud Mohammad was.  We have access to books, histories and discussion that is totally forbidden, on pain of death, in muslim countries.  Mohammad was a very poor copier of whatever religious concepts that he ever could hear of so he could fool the ignorant savages that he was trying to lead in ever more profitable raids and conquests.  That's all.  Nothing more.  A complete charlatan.  He was the kind of guy you'd see nowadays selling used cars and be a serial killer on the side.  The mullahs nowadays ain't any better at all.  Any American that says they want to be a muslim is either a poser who is completely ignorant and needs attention or, a complete idiot that thinks he really understand what islam stands for but doesn't have a single clue.

PJ,

You have powerful friends in Egypt? Guess what. So did Benazir Bhutto. She's dead. You want to know islam for yourself? Ask Ali Sina, Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Abul Kasem, all ex-muslim who woke up and left the 7th century death cult behind. For their wisdom, they are hounded by "peaceful" muslims. Ask Salman Rushdie, who has a bounty out for his head, in the name of islam. Better yet, ask Sara and Amina Said, or Aqsa Pervez.

You lol about possibly being kept a slave, but you won't when your man knocks your teeth out, or breaks your jaw. You might think I am exaggerating, but look for yourself -
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
Click on some of the links, look for the woman who had  both eyes torn out from her skull, and had most of her nose ripped apart. That is islam, you want to volunteer for it, your loss. You detest that the world is full of aggression? How self-righteous. Then get off your ass and help defeat islam. The cult of islam IS aggression. Look at the life of Muhammad, and all the people he slaughtered, raped, had decapitated, and enslaved. You tell me to read a book by an author I have never heard of. Why??? Have you read "The Satanic Verses"? Have you read the quran? You call it a holy book, and you are right, it is a book full of holes. There is NO peace in islam. They are commanded to make war on infidels. And when they are not trying to kill us, they turn on each other, rabid dogs that they are. Look at Iraq, in the 30 years before Saddam fell. Look at Iran, where the mullahs hang Iranian citizens for drinking, being homosexual, and even just socializing with a woman they are not married to. Look at Lebanon, where every 6 months Shiite terrorist group Hezbollah starts shooting Sunni and Druze Lebanese to gain power in Government. You sound like a typical hippie, talking about wanting everyone to be at peace. If you were sincere, you would want NOTHING to do with islam.

Charles,

Right on :D Hippies are idiot idealists. They claim they value life, but most are all for abortion. Go figure.

Tonto,

I could not have said that any better myself :D Kuffars are Kool :D

I am not getting involved in this latest arguement, just something to charles.

"Yes he has said kill the jews.."


I would like a direct quote asking for the calling to kill an entire race from Ahmadinejad please (and the source you use, natually.)

All i have is the mistranslation of "بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " Meaning to remove from the pages of history, about the Israeli state in Ahmadinejad's Al-Quds day sppech, which was mistranslated on the BBC as "wiped off the face of the earth" This mistranslatio nhas already been pointed out by countless Government offices and the BBC over here in the UK, as well as over the world.


So... where is your proof?

Dan,

You just DID involve yourself. For proof, look at ACTIONS. Hezbollah is financed by Iran, everyone knows that. Hezbollah takes orders from Iran. Hezbollah is sworn to the destruction of Israel. Hezbollah HAS kidnapped Israeli soldiers. They sent back the corpses earlier this month. I was in Lebanon when they had the parade honoring the terrorists released in exchange for the dead soldiers' remains. Got that? I can draw you a picture if you need something simpler.

As for the UK Government and the BBC, your government puts jihadists on welfare (Abu Qatada), and the BBC always covers for muslims when they bludgeon a Briton to within an inch of his life, rape a girl, or vandalize private property by calling them "Asians". Your Government is selling you all into dhimmitude. Enjoy tyranny, it is on its way.

lets just look at what you said...

"hezbollah is sworn to the destruction of Israel."
"Hezbollah HAS kidnapped Israeli soldiers."

No swearing to kill all Jews then?
that makes it irrelevant to my request.

And just to Answer your statements on the BBc, it puts "Jihadists" on welfare, yes, but it also puts other kinds of people such as white supremists and right wing christians on welfare also, as well as many people that oppose the government, I do not agree with their doing this, but it is not like the Jihadists get special treatment over others.

Also it covers for Muslims at times of touble because, it may shock you but NOT ALL MUSLIMS CONDONE TERRORISM, I am sorry that your country does not teach children in schools about Religion (Religious Education is compulsory in public schools in the UK) but we understand that the words Terrorist and Fundamentalist are do not lead to the words "SEE ISLAM" in the dictionary, therefore the BBC remind people that such events as 7/7 are not reasons to attack random Muslims in the street. Infact Hindus, Sikhs and even South East Asian Atheists were victims of some abuse after 7/7.

Anyway, I am only staying active out of Interest to Charles finding a quote from the Predident of Iran which says he intends to wipe out the worlds Jews, so I am not going to take part in a "your country is obviously with THEM and not US" PC conspiracy debate. sorry...

There is no conspiracy here, so no need to apologize. Israel is, was, and always will be home to Jews. Destroying Israel (Islam's stated goal) encompasses killing the Jews inhabiting it. And it is not the BBC putting people on welfare, on YOUR pound, but the Government of the Untied Kingdom. While I am fully aware there is no equivalent for the word "wipe" in Farsi, calling for all muslim nations to mobilize to remove Israel is just as bad.

Here is a Palestinian response to Iran's call for the destruction of Israel. Read it, and you may be surprised - http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000402...

As for covering for muslims in time of trouble, why? Why cover for terrorists? Why not expose them for what they are, maybe then they will start to reform and stop blowing up your trains and busses, and airliners. You say "but we understand that the words Terrorist and Fundamentalist are do not lead to the words “SEE ISLAM” in the dictionary, therefore the BBC remind people that such events as 7/7 are not reasons to attack random Muslims in the street. " First, the word "are" is not needed, as it makes the sentence unintelligible. Second, when have you ever heard of an American randomly attacking a muslim in the street??? If you can find an instance, I would love to know.  After 9/11 terrorist fundraiser groups CAIR and ISNA warned of a backlash against muslims. It didn't happen. Yet you admit that it DID happen in the UK, and purport to "understand that the words Terrorist and Fundamentalist are do not lead to the words "SEE ISLAM" in the dictionary..." Maybe you ought to buy a new dictionary :P

Fool? Look head in the sand, go watch the Nick Berg video you pop tart...
LISTEN TO THE GOD DAMNED SCREAMS OF HORROR as they LITERALLY
take a dull sword/knife and cut his damned neck like a turkey...Back and
forth, WHILE ALIVE...You feel sorry for me? You make me laugh, it's peeps
like me that save gullies like you when loons like Islamos come attackin..

Sorry? LOL dude, check the mirror with yer shirt off, specifically your
back and make sure you still got a spine...Then actually watch the
REAL damn videos of what they do to MEN, WOMEN and CHILDREN...
Then come talk to me that I am the god damned problem...

Bro, I am not wasting my time lookin up something to appease a
man that loves Iran...Don't care, the piece of shit called for the
wiping of Israel, that's enough for me...Take out a barrett, slap a
really nice ACOG on it, and take his head off...THAT is what I
would like our black ops to do...Have a nice day. BTW, ever seen
what a Barrett can do to a head, even at 100 yards? It's actually
wicked...

Kal-El, come on now, stop using logic...It is understandable
to burn buildings, torture and murder over a simple cartoon...
It's you and I that are stupid..... <----NOT!

PJ, everyone kinda jumped on you so I'm not going to.  Our government hasn't made us stupid, it's made itself stupid and I could bitch for hours about how crappy our government handles basically everything but I'm not. I live in the greatest country on the face of the Earth, period. Nowhere else can you do what you can do as a citizen of this country without fear of retaliation, be it political, religious or "other". I'm allowed to walk the streets at any hour,  and in the good ol' USA, getting stoned to death is what we do in college, good times man!
So please, the next time you see Americans being portrayed as "stupid" just remember, we have a media over here too, Aussies aren't portrayed as geniuses and I don't assume every Aussie to be a backwoods, inbred alligator wrestler.

Charles, No more comments like that when I am eating. Expelling spaghetti from my nostrils is PAINFUL (although worth it cause that was damned funny!)

Jennyjen,

Aussies don't all wrestle alligators??? What about Mick Dundee, and Steve Irwin??? :p

Oh please, I love our government...Let's see, Bill Clinton can do felonious shit and the media and demmys cover it all up...Bush STANDS BY 13x INTEL reports on WMD's in Iraq, Gets told by Israel they got pics of phony Red Cross trucks en masses crossing from Iraq into Syria before the invasion(moving the WMDS), Doesn't listen to pussies like Demmys and bitchy newsies, and gets called stupid. ONLY IN AMERICA can dropouts in hollywood, and loser politicians call a President with 2 GOD DAMNED MASTERS DEGREES from Ivy League schools, an Idiot...What's not to love? Home of the Traitor Demmys that go sit with any regime and give them an A-OK....That can blatantly lie about our soldiers, when proven wrong, NOT BE JAILED FOR IT...YAY US! Then when the lil bitches on both sides have a fucking vote to give themselves pay raises, THEN AND ONLY THEN DO BOTH THEM LITTLE WEASEL ASS PARTIES FINALLY AGREE OVERWHELMINGLY....YAY US!!!!

Home of the welfare state that pays illegals to be in our country illegally!!! YAY!!

Home of the welfare state that grants 7 year tax exemption to foreigners and not BORN AMERICANS...YAY!!!

Home of the mask called Unfair/Fair where the top 25% of all WAGE EARNERS(That's rich peeps) pay 87% of ALL FEDERAL INCOME TAXES...The top 50% of all WAGE EARNERS(More rich peeps) pay 97% of ALL FEDERAL INCOME TAXES...Source:  The Internal Revenue Service...

That means the demmys crying the rich shouldn't get a tax cut, is kinda stupid and saying they dont pay their fair share an outright god damned lie.
To put it in welfare stupid terms to understand for the slow:
What would you rather be paid:
10% of 20,000 per year = $2,000
10% of 1,000,000 per year = $100,000

Hmm let me see, Alex what should I say....Now imagine winning a god damned Lotto for $200M ---WOW!----Whoops, soz winner the IRS requires you to pay them roughly 155M of that or more...Is 45M still alot? Hell yea it is, but if you have any of that the following year guess what? Higher tax bracket...Stead of 28% it's up to 60%...YAY!

Charles, you are either being deliberately obtuse or you really are that dense.  Since 9/11 there have been 11,579 terror attacks carried out by jihadists, world wide. From 26july to 6aug, there have been 39 attacks by jihadists.  204 killed, 796 injured.  That's just 12 days sport. And just think, it doesn't matter to the muj if it's Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists, Jews or moooselimbs.  They're so sexually repressed that they have to masturbate their guns....or is it with their guns?  Anyway, I really don't care to pick nits with you or match wits with you(I hate to fight an unarmed man), but Amadinnerjacket DID say, several times he intended to wipe Israel off the map.  I just wish the Israelis would take the gloves off and show the idiots the asswhippin' they been missin'. The Americans took out an "army" that Iran lost 8 million troops to....in about 5 days.  The muslims are mostly just talk, talk, talk. Without oil they haven't amounted to a small mound of mouse poop for 1400 years....and all they did for that was "happened" to be breeding over big pools of oil.  Name me a few muslim accomplishments they have achieved without western help.  Forget it, there ain't none.  So get off it dude, your just making more of a "tard" of yourself.

ROFL @ Tonto...

I was gonna say "SAME TEAM!"

:P

Ah, Crocodile Dundee- helluva man, "thats not a knife, this is a knife mate" LMAO!
Well, Charles did my bitchin for me, way to go man...I kinda got depressed reading that shit.  Good thing I'm in a country where that can be vocalized without fear of retaliation from the government--Right Charles?!?

lol @ that Dundee quote. I prefer mine, to the Iranian mullahtards “That’s not a nuke. *points at American arsenal* THIS is a nuke, jihadi.”

Nice one Kal! ;)

To the ausie who wants to convert to Islam/being a Muslim.Be careful when you join a cult of 1 billion,first they brain wash you with the quran,make you think your "One of the family". Make you forget your past,fun,Boy scouts beer drinking etc,Make you hate infidels, and then bow down to them,shower you with praises and possibly gifts, and finnaly when you are stupid enough to 'Believe in them they will make you Strap on a suicide bomb in the name of Allah,So aussie are we Americans/infidels stupid now? The closest thing we had here was maybe the Manson family,Oh hes still alive surving a life sentence,sort of like being a muslim,you can never be free,IDIOT.

To the aussie on "thinking about converting to Islam". You have discovered a path to spirituality from education,travels, openmindedness,these things are all honorable and worthy.But do you really want to be part of a religion whom claim they are true and dont except others beliefs,some do some dont but be very careful how you approach this life altering decision. They are not so good at letting you convert back to anything,Its like being in the Hells angels man.You seem intelligent enough to make your own desicions,I would recomend you to be a spiritual independent and dont surrender to no one, only be true to youself,Remember the truth will set you free.Thats what this site is about.May God(ALLah bless you for trying).Oh by the way doesnt anyone mention DARWIN anymore? Long live John Lennon,Yes I am a liberal,free thinking,bacon eating Hippie(non-Vegan) pot smoking hippie infidel from the U.S.A. and Love myself and Country,Peace.

just on what anti-aksa said


yes it has flaws but what religion doesn't? 


not sure what religion you are from, I'm guessing Christianity because that's where most of the ignorant islamophobics come from
the Christian bible has been used by members of the KKK to justify their actions against african-americans
 so before you make comments like, use your brain


cheers

Rudy,

Ages back. Couple of basic mistakes in history. The Internet - at least World Wide Web - was invented by an Englishman, Tim Berners-Lee and the elephone was invented by a scotsman, Alexander Graham Bell. Not everything in the world was invented in America. Other people have also made contributions. What usually happened is that the genius came from  Europe but the will and the finance to develop it came from the US.
Back to the subject. I don't have the Arabic to read the Qran in original form but I have read it in a good translation (by E.V. Rieu - a highly respected translator of classical writings). Not once did I find any resemblance between what was there and the atrocities now being commited in the name of Islam.  Anyone can take suras out of context and misinterpret them and that's what both Islamophobes and, more importantly, the extremists are doing. They are no more representative of Islam than the Spanish Inquisition was of Christianity. The free world must distinguish between persons of the Muslim faith - individuals who have a particular belief and Islam - a cultural, political structure based on misogeny, violence and intolerance. The Muslim faith should be as protected as other faiths are; it is a force for good. Islam as practised by Saudi and Iran et al is dangerous and should be crushed; it is a force for evil.

Nick, You make a valid point, and I detest the KKK. HOWEVER, the message of Jesus is love, compassion and forgiveness for all, including those who do us wrong. Humans mucked that up The message of Muhammad is hate, war, terror, against all who did not/do not/will not submit to allah.

The KKK is a hate cult, everyone knows that. By that line of logic I can just as easily say islam is a hate cult.

Cheers

Ages? LOL! Alex, first off the internet was invented by an American on contract from the United States Department of Defense. 2nd the HTTP protocol was indeed invented by a Brit named Lee, however the only way he could invented it was using the Internet :) And a lil thing called Mosaic.

Telephone actually credit goes to Antonio Meucci, Philip Reis, Elisha Gray and Alexander Graham Bell. However, the most successful nod was to Bell because his was actually tested and proven to work. If I am not mistaken, he was American at the time of the invention. See most peeps that like "borders, language, culture" in the USA believe once you become a citizen here, you are American first and origin of birth second...That's why the whole Pledge of Allegiance thang and swearing into being a citizen requires you to state it. So, Bell was an American :) As Morgan Freeman once corrected an interviewer when she called him African-American, he replied: Excuse me, I'm an American only. Understand?

You're cute tirade? or was it a dressing down? was just that, cute... Problem? I have read it, and it does state it. So now we have a disagreement. That's EZ to fix, simply go buy ANY NUMBER of books that will quote it line for line...Oh wait, let me guess....It's all a conspiracy(Vast right wing???) against the Muslim faith??? Right?

K, correct me if I am wrong...But the Inquisitions were a direct response to Muslims conquering? The ones kidnapping, chopping heads off of non-believers are Muslims?
Homosexuals are executed under Islamic law in Iran? The woman who was with a co-worker in Saudi Arabia, then got raped...Was originally given more time in prison, than the rapists under ISLAMIC FUCKING LAW?

True or False: Women under Islamic law when found guilty of adultry, are buried up to their necks and stoned to death????

Now, I search all the liberal whiner sites of peeps like you(appeasers), and something stood out....So I want you to g'head and explain how exactly this religion of PEACE can have LAWS with PUNISHMENTS(Um, let me guess....You aren't aware of the punishments?)...and then stand by and fucking compare it to any religion like Catholics....Cuz if I'm not mistaken, the worst thing that can happen to you in that church(barring molestation) is ex-communication. Hmmm, that means yer no longer allowed in the clubhouse...You don't die, your family doesnt die, you don't get tortured...Yet refresh my memory....What is the punishment for showing the image of the Grand Pubah of the Muslim Faith? Or dissin that religion? Let's ask Rushdie...Aw damn, still in hiding...Let's ask the Swedish cartoonist...Damn, cant...In hiding for the whole life thang.

Kal, you and me are stupid and mis-informed...the ENTIRE FUCKING POPULATION of the Muslim faith is nice....So, we can trust them all....Ok?

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Pull the other leg, it',ll play Jingle Bells...

To the idiot about KKK and using the Christian bible...

First off the verses that the Klan used were from the old testament...And? A Christian is a Believer in Christ our Lord and Saviour...That's the 1st tantamount, the 2nd is believing that he died on the cross for all of our sins...the 3rd is that he was resurrected 2 days later as affirmation and confirmation of who he is and fulfillment of God the Fathers words from the Old Testament.

With that out of the way, Christ said "To obey MANS laws as well ass His Fathers".  MANS law as well as Gods was broken by the Klan, and they will pay for that...Bitches like you are chumps and have no real belief system. I do...Don't think the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is real? Don't think he was God the Father of Jesus Christ? Then wtf do you care what the Klans motives were? The same friggin God detests SWEARING by his name, and you don't think he's pissed off at the Klan for quoting him to justify what they did?

PHEW! It's a good think King David didn't have your faith!!

The part if I am not mistaken that they used, are the lines about "treating slaves well" or something like that. However, Slavery wasn't what it was in the 1700's and up....Back in Biblical days some families did that to make money...IE: John wanted to support his old lady and 8 kids, so he went into Slavery(Indentured Servitude) for X amt of time so that his family would be cared for...IE: If it were for a King, they would be exempt from taxes, etc...That line was not GOD saying Slavery IS ok, that was simply in my  words God saying: You stupid assholes that are mean to a man for earning a wage while working for you, BE NICE TO THEM!

Kal is more eloquent, but I honestly don't have the patience for it.

If Muslim women are indeed respected as equals, then why does the holy book say they are not? That's ok the Bible doesnt think much of women either.

Yes women arent respected in the Christian Bible...Hmm, isn't several of the books in it named after women??? Um, yes. Most beautiful woman in the Bible? Sarah...There are even female preachers in the Christian Bible. SO, in WHAT aspect are women not respected in the Christian Bible? do tell, I await just a glorious response...

Well for starters Charles, in the Book of Genesis Eve and womankind are cursed by God for eating the apple. As a result women must bear the pain of child birth.

According to Jewish Law (in the Old Testament) a common man may have up to 4 wives and an aristocratic man may have up to 18 wives. Kings like Soloman had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

Also according to Jewish law a woman is born as the property of her father, until she marries and becomes the property of her husband. That's why during marriages the father of the bride "gives" her away to the groom.

According to Deut. 22:28 if a man rapes a woman he must marry her. If the woman does not resist/cry out she must be stoned to death.

According to Moses's commands in the Book of Number's virgin women of enemy nations may be kept by Jewish men as sex slaves/concubines.

According to the Bible if a man and woman are guilty of adultery, the man must pay a fine. The woman must be stoned to death.

According to Catholicism, God impregnated Mary when she was only 12 years old and already bethroed to another man.

According to 1 Corinthians 14:34, Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.

According to 1 Timothy 2:11, A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.

And that's just a sample. The Book of Mormon is even worse (for women's rights).

Marcus, How often do you see those ancient laws in practice? OUTSIDE of muslim countries that use the quran to justify the same thing, that is.

Marcus you are in the wrong dispensation, Old Testament Law.  God took the rap in OT - now we know, 'the Mystery.'  Old things have passed away, behold all things are new in Christ.  Read John 10:10 - you won't believe it, but it wouldn't hurt you to read some truth for a change instead of all the screwy lies of Islam, the 'Queeran' (good name for Satan's book of lies)

In Christ there neither male or female.  In the WORD OF GOD, there is no private interpretation, it is GOD breathed, we are to be workman - RIGHTLY DEVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.

The ONE TRUE GOD OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS THE AUTHOR OF THE BIBLE, and men took the word down by inspiration of GOD, IT IS ACURATE, AND FITS LIKE A HAND IN A GLOVE.  WE ARE NOT TO ADD TO GOD'S WORD OR TAKE ANY AWAY.  JESUS CHRIST IS HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT CAME TO SAVE US AND NOW SITS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD ALMIGHTY. (the Mystery)

Your god is Satan the little g -god of this world, (Lucifer the fallen angel,) who comes only to steal, kill and destroy, but his day is coming & Satan will be chained in the bottomless pit for all belivers to look at for a thousand years!!! . . .  there are a few more exciting events betwixt, between but no need to give away all of God's wonderful plan, you wouldn't appreciate it anyway.  It's not for you Marcus, IT IS WRITTEN  for true believers in Christ.
So don't tell me about women's rights. You have no right as a rank unbeliever.

I decided as a woman of God not to sit silent on this one.

Again, still waiting. Oh wait, yer quoting the OT to a Christian.
That's you're mistake.  What happened to the slaves(jews) brought
out of Egypt when they ignored God??? Anybody, Anybody...How
many years did they walk around OUTSIDE of the land of Milk
and Honey for their behavior?
=-
Jesus promises Everlasting life in the Kingdom of His Father by
simply believing...Not cutting off heads, kidnapping, torture,
not by making peeps believe by force, blowing up women and
kids in Cafe's or busses...Yes, Imams do tell you exactly WHY
and HOW you should beat your wife...Yes, GREAT!

First off, I do not practice the Islamic religion. Im from a Catholic backgroud.

Secondly, not a lot of Muslims are named Marcus, after the pagan Roman God of War.

Third, if the Bible is the word of God, why is there so much hate, bigotry, and misogyny in the Old Testament??? I mean did the eternal, all knowing God go from ordering the genocide of the Amalakites, Midianites, Cannanites, etc. in the Old Testament, to commanding people to turn the other cheek in the New Testament.

Why did God who was unitary in the Old Testament, become triune in the New???

Why are women not allowed to rise to the level of preachers in most of God's churches???

And finally Carolynne, why are you as an enlightened Christian so anti-homosexual??? Calling the Koran/Quran the "Queeran" not only reaks of bigotry against Muslims, but also against gays.

Is it wrong for a loving homosexual couple to have sexual relations, when the God of Christianity goes around impregnating young virgin girls with his seed???

I humbly await your reply :)

Marcus, I just gotta weigh in on one of your points about women in most of God's Churches. The church I belong to allows women to rise as high in the Preisthood as they would like to go, my aunt is actually a high priest, my dad is too. I recently went to another church for a funeral, my best friends dad passed away-cancer. The pastor was a woman and a fiery one at that. Other Churches have women teaching and running the morning worship.
I think its just the Catholics that remain in the dark ages about women and I really have never cared for Catholicism or any form of organized religion for that matter; I was just baptized at an early age and spent my entire childhood at church every Sunday morning, I attend every so often as an adult.  I like to think I'm a spiritual person, just don't care for the idea of going to church on Sunday morning (I do think it's good for children, sense of structure and all). God can hear me wherever I'm at and he doesn't just listen on Sunday's either.
Oh, and I'm gonna have to break out the bible on this thing about Mary being a young girl and call my dad, he's somewhat an authority on these matters. I'll get back to ya!

Marcus: "if the Bible is the word of God, why is there so much hate, bigotry, and misogyny in the Old Testament???"

As a Christian I accept the moral law of the Hebrew Bible, but not all of the dietary laws and laws relating to the Jewish Temple etc. The Old Testament commands us to hate evil, so that is a good use of hatred. The Old Testament also commands us to love God and love our neighbor as ourselves. I'm not sure where the Old Testament bigotry and misogyny is, so you'll have to give me some direct quotes first.

Marcus: "I mean did the eternal, all knowing God go from ordering the genocide of the Amalakites, Midianites, Cannanites, etc. in the Old Testament, to commanding people to turn the other cheek in the New Testament."

The Amalakites, Midianites, Cannanites, etc. were at war with God. Yes, God's relations with people changed after he took bodily form and came to Earth as Jesus Christ.

Marcus: "Why did God who was unitary in the Old Testament, become triune in the New???"

God was binary in the Old Testament: God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. I for one see this as simply a unitary God of creation who miraculously makes Himself available to live within man - if man will accept Him within his mind and heart. The Christian Trinity is really not that mysterious either. You still have the same God as Father, the same Holy Spirit of God; but now we also have God the Son. In my mind these aren't rival gods as in ancient Greece and Rome, but rather manifestations of a single God - King of the Universe - who manifests Himself in three ways.

Marcus: "Why are women not allowed to rise to the level of preachers in most of God’s churches???"

Some Christian Churches allow women to be priests or ministers, others do not.

Marcus: "Is it wrong for a loving homosexual couple to have sexual relations, when the God of Christianity goes around impregnating young virgin girls with his seed???"

Homosexual acts are condemned in the Old and New Testaments, but those who commit the act can be forgiven if they repent and stop - same is true for heterosexual adultery. As for the virgin birth of Christ, you'll have to take that up with God as Holy Spirit yourself - this event only occurred once according to the New Testament - not multiple times as you say. As the Christian hymn goes: "God moves in a mysterious way."

Marcus, you are free to reject the God of the Bible.

Marcus first of all you are NOT being humble, (meek) or teachable. You digest what I said the first time, then God will give you more.  You cannot have meat  until you get off the bottle and you are not even born again yet.  So no go, for you.  As I said, Marcus this is not for you, only a true believer.  You will never see the truth until you ask God to reveal it to you, and you will have to be saved first.  John3:16 - simple as that.  So until then, you remain in darkness.

Ignore the nerds who keep analyzing the bible to reason with themselves that God is false so Hedonism is ok...It's coo! Notice the kids mention Mary's age and the miracle(that they wont say was a miracle) but never mention the miracle of Sarah getting pregnant as an old woman????

Let's stave off the bullshit:

The requirement of slaughtering of animals to please God is no longer required...Why was it? Well let's see, they were VALUABLE at the time and
not made of gold fashioned into idols...."Willingly Ignorant!"

In essence, God wiped human after human off the map for their BS...It was wasted life he created...He couldn't metaphorically understand such
stupidity(GEE, go figure!)...So he came forth as Jesus to "walk a mile in our shoes" and save us from ourselves, because God the Father CANNOT reside next to Sin! He basically gave EVERYONE an "out"  that through Jesus Christ,
we may actually reside within the Kingdom of God...Get it?

I was taught that in the passage  where Jesus spoke "Father, why hath thou forsaken me?" and then died upon the cross...I was told that at the exact moment He spoke that it was because at that moment He accepted all of the sin from man from the past, present and future into Himself upon the cross, and God the Father turned away at that moment because He couldn't stand the sight of the sin in Jesus...And that exact moment for the FIRST time in His ENTIRE life, Jesus lost his link to God the Father...Which lead to the rumours of Jesus dying of a broken heart, not the crusifixtion!

To imagine a life where you can be linked to God spiritually all of it, then suddenly have it torn away must be damning to ones psyche'....Some also say tthat hell is existance without God for eternity....I cringe at that thought...

Beautiful thread.  I'm learning a lot.  Thank you all!

I neither affirm nor deny the God of Christianity.

I am critical of aspects of Christianity, and if this makes me anti-Christian then I would be in great company with such peeps as Voltaire, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, and Ben Franklin.

I just feel that if somebody in 2008 believed that the Greek God Zeus impregnated the mortal woman Alcema, and sired Hercules, saviour of mankind, we would feel sorry for their mental incompetence.

So too we should feel about those that believe that the Christian God impregnated the mortal woman Mary (a 12 year old vigin according to Catholicism) and sired Jesus, saviour of mankind.

Marcus, Why do you feel the need to so adamantly post your anti-Christian bigotry and prejudice here?

Marcus, do you hate Christians?

Marcus you are a joke...You think you're what? Smart? Intelligent? LOL! I'm not a Catholic, so I don't care what they say...No where in the KJV of the Bible does it say Mary was 12, so stick the age comments up your ass...Argue with catholics about that. I am a Christian, not a Catholic. And to equate your silly and whimsical beliefs on this thread, is purposely attempting to start shit. Lap up
the muslims or ignore them like you do Jesus Christ....Then if peeps like me and my fellow Christians let them take over to prove a point to insepid twits like you, WHEN the chop your fuckin head off, have fun being an Intellectual as your head hits the floor...Then in that 1 sec as you stare up or whichever way it lands, I want you to remember this post and think to your now beheaded head: Fuck, wish I would've believed in Christ....Now imma be ass raped for eternity in Hell by someone I HATE with a passion....GO YOU!!!

Charles, U are fuckin hilarious! Keep on keepin on, your awesome! And Marcus, checked that Mary thing out and it's a no-go...there is no reference to Mary's age, only that she was a virgin. I then double-checked with Dad and Auntie and well, they had some interesting comments but I ain't tryin to call you a complete jackass like they did. Looks to me the only point you got is on your head bro! Storm-Rider has an interesting question for you, we await your response..... :)

Do I hate Christians???

No, as I stated earlier Im actually a non-practicing Catholic.

And of the approx. 1.8 billion Christians in the world, about 1.2 billion are Catholic. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Southern Baptists are a real small minority.

I just stated that that being critical of aspects of a religion doesnt make someone a bigot.

For example (in the context of religious misogyny) I am critical of the Christian god impregnating a young virgin girl (Mary), of the Muslim prophet taking a young wife (Aisha), and the Jewish king David ordering young virgins girls (Abishag) to keep him warm on his death bed.

As the great Bill Maher said, whenever someone starts getting religious revelations its best for parents to hide their young daughters.

I am however, anti-Jewish :)

And Charles, there is a whole lot of beheadings in the Kings James Version of the Bible.

Infact, a biblical hero named David cut the head of a Phillistine soldier named Goliath, kind of like how Al-Qaeda terrorists cut the heads of US soldiers.

Jews to this day, use the symbol of David the Decapitator as the symbol of their religion/cult.

It is your right to be of some religion of your own making, even if it is atheism - that is your faith. You have yours, and I have mine.

It is interesting that you enjoy the company of the elitist anti-Christian, anti-Biblical God, European philosopher, Voltaire. Here is some of of what this socialist-elitist believed:

"Voltaire distrusted democracy, which he saw as propagating the idiocy of the masses. To Voltaire, only an enlightened monarch or an enlightened absolutist, advised by philosophers like himself"

Here are his dying words:

"I am abandoned by God and man..... "For God's sake, let me die in peace."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire

Voltaire was the leading figure in the Enlightenment; without that Christians in America would still be hanging teenage girls by nooses for the crime of witchcraft. Adulterers would be stoned to death, and Homosexuals burned.

And Voltaire was exactly right about the ignorance of the masses. Thats why America's founding fathers created a Republic, and not a pure democracy.

To sum up, Voltaire's contributions to modern Western Civilization far exceed those of Biblical Christianity.

Marcus: Well let's see you tell God that! 
You have lost it - BIG TIME.  OH Well!  However the hanging witches part, adulterers stoned, and homosexual perverts burned would do away with most of Washington Demorats.  If that Witch Pelosi had lived in that time, she'd be long gone by now.  Ha Ha!    So you study Voltaire,  which is one of the most boring confusing SOB that has lived besides Barrack Hussinsane Obama.  Why?
I can remember in History class what a joke that Voltaire was and still is. 
Marcus:  You are just as much of a joke, if not more, plus boring and very confused!

I'll take God's Word over Voltaire's or yours any day.
Marcus: You have what is known as HUA disease!  It is incurable!

Marcus, you're into way too much mental masterbation.....I don't know if they even make glasses thick enough for you.

Ya'll are makin me laugh somethin fierce!!!(ya'll is a jab @ miss spears!)..
K, Marcus let's break it down, shall we?

"And Charles, there is a whole lot of beheadings in the Kings James Version of the Bible."
Yes Marcus, there are...Many 1000's of years ago...YAY you!! However, Muslims are cutting fucking heads off *NOW*...The same as 1000's of years ago...GET THE DAMN DIFF??!?!

"Infact, a biblical hero named David cut the head of a Phillistine soldier named Goliath, kind of like how Al-Qaeda terrorists cut the heads of US soldiers."

Ahhhh, so something that happened 5000 years ago before there were Christians, somehow makes what Muslims TODAY are doing? I like how you say Al-Qaeda and NOT Muslims...that's cute...Hey Nick Berg, what's your thought on David....oh wait, the fucker aint got a GOD DAMNED HEAD BECAUSE OF MUSLIMS...ASshole...

"Jews to this day, use the symbol of David the Decapitator as the symbol of their religion/cult."

I'm not a jew or practice Judaism Marcus, what does that mean to this Christian? I have a personal BEST friend and I follow his thought on Jews...Cuz he is one. Jewish is a race, not a religion. Judaism is the religion of the Race of most jews. He is a Christian.

Yer cute Marcus...You overtly defend Muslims and Terrorists...That's cute and amusing. Here's the prob with that....GOD inbued David to do what he did...Muslims listen to a human(dead) that was a rapist, murderer, torturer, child molestor....Get the diff??? Or should we all E-NUN-CI-ATE from now on?

Let me tell ya somethin, I'm forward and straight about it...I would rather vote for HILLARY CLINTON than Obama or McCain!!! I'm the most Conservative PRICK you will ever meet to boot...At least with Hillary we would KNOW what we are getting!!!

Volataire? LOL! What happened to most Greek and Roman philosophers??!? TY! If it weren't for peeps like US on this thread back in the day, there would be no Inquisitions to stop the Muslim onslaught and that is FACT, like it or not!

Witch Trials...Do some research asshole, like 13 peeps were killed...Whoopty fuck. Guess whom the accused were accused by? Assholes like you liberals...Like certain leading Democrats accusing Marines of shit they never did...Get it? Liberals do WitchHUNTS year after year, and bitches like you Marchus cheer it...Remember Clarence Thomas? Witch Hunt! EVERY damn Judge Bush put up for nomination??!?! WITCH HUNT! Yer weak, and sad...I despise bitches like you...But Men like me pray for shitheads like you....We don't cut heads off, blow up Cafes or busses...We pray for assholes like you...Asshole!

Crazy Charlie;

There is no such thing as a Jewish race (but there is a lot of Jewish Bullshit).

The Five Recognized Races are (based on Johann Frederick Blumenbach):
Caucasian; europeans, persians, arabs, armenians, etc.
African; african americans, black british, other blacks
American; mayans, aztecs, cherokees, navajo
Mongoloid; koreans, chinese, japanese
Malayan; indonesians, malaysians, burmese

The United States Census Bureau defines a Jew as any person who is atleast nominally a believer of the religion (really a cult) of Judaism.

Also I sincerely hope that the "god" who imbued David with the command to decapitate another human being is not my God, the Creator who the founding fathers invoked in drafting the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The "god" of Davy also inspired the murderous Jewish king to kill his friend so he could marry his wife, and thump young virgins on his death bed.

Al Qaeda being an Islamic terrorist group is pretty common knowledge. Most people also know the IRA are Catholics, and Tamil Tigers are Hindu. Didnt think I needed to mention Al Qaeda members were Muslim, but to clarify, they are indeed Islamic.

"Also I sincerely hope that the “god” who imbued David with the command to decapitate another human being is not my God, the Creator who the founding fathers invoked in drafting the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution."


The Biblical God is the God of our sacred human rights - the God of our founding fathers and the Declaration of Independence. You may not like the Biblical God of creation and of the Old Testament wars, but I do; and, with the exception of Thomas Paine, our founding fathres did. Marcus, I've decideded to adhere to the Biblical God along with these great men - and not with you.



“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”  George Washington

“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”  George Washington

“Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favour…”  George Washington

“The eyes of all should be turned to that Almighty Power, in whose hands are the welfare and the destiny of nations”  James Madison

“It is impossible for the man of pious reflection not to perceive in it [the Constitution] a finger of that Almighty hand which has been so frequently and signally extended to our relief in the critical stages of the revolution.”  James Madison

"That they call to mind our numerous offense against the Most High God, confess them before Him with the sincerest penitence, implore His pardoning mercy, through the Great Mediator and Redeemer, for our past transgressions, and that through the grace of His Holy Spirit, we may be disposed and enable to yield a more suitable obedience to His righteous requisitions in time to come."  John Adams - Proclamation of a National Day of Fasting and Prayer, March 6, 1799

"It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue."  John Adams

"The safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and blessing of Almighty God."  John Adams

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”   John Adams

“I have always said, I always say, that the studious perusal of the sacred volume will make better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands.”  Thomas Jefferson

“I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”   Thomas Jefferson

"Almighty God hath created the mind free. All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens . . . are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion.”  Thomas Jefferson

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?”   Thomas Jefferson

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.  That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"  Thomas Jefferson

“I shall need, too, the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessaries and comforts of life; who has covered our infancy with His providence and our riper years with His wisdom and power…”  Thomas Jefferson

“I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth:  that God governs the affairs of men.  And if the sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?  We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that 'except the Lord builds the House, they labor in vain who build it.”  Benjamin Franklin

“Surely God would not have created such a being as man, with an ability to grasp the infinite, to exist only for a day! No, no, man was made for immortality.”  Abraham Lincoln
“With Malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds.”  Abraham Lincoln
 
 “In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Saviour gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it. To you I return my most sincere thanks for the very elegant copy of the great Book of God which you present.”  Abraham Lincoln
 
“Now, let us treat the Bible fairly. If we had a witness on the stand whose general story we knew was true, we would believe him when he asserted facts of which we had no other evidence. We ought to treat the bible with equal fairness. I decided a long time ago that it was less difficult to believe that the Bible was what it claimed to be than to disbelieve it. It is a good book for us to obey – it contains the ten commandments, the Golden Rule, and many other rules which ought to be followed. No man was ever the worse for living according to the directions of the Bible.”  Abraham Lincoln

Marcus, John Locke was also an enlightenment philosopher; but, unlike the elitist Voltaire, he believed in the Biblical God; and unlike Voltaire he believed in the God-given natural rights of all individuals. John Locke and Thomas Jefferson did not look down their noses at “the masses.”


“Where revelation comes into its own is where reason cannot reach. Where we have few or no ideas for reason to contradict or confirm, this is the proper matters for faith…that Part of the Angels rebelled against GOD, and thereby lost their first happy state: and that the dead shall rise, and live again: These and the like, being Beyond the Discovery of Reason, are purely matters of Faith; with which Reason has nothing to do.“ John Locke


”The state of nature has a law of nature to govern it, which obliges everyone: and reason which is that law, teaches all mankind who will but consult it, that being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty or possessions…“ John Locke


http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke/


"The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite." -- Thomas Jefferson


http://freedomkeys.com/vigil.htm


Also, almost without exception the great enlightenment scientists were Christians - believers in the Biblical God. These were not philosophers, these were the men who actually discovered the great scientific truths of the enlightenment - they were the men who made the scientific revolution of the enlightenment happen. A partial list would include Isaac Newton, Copernicus, Gallileo, Michael Faraday, and Max Plank, You would be in good company here.


Even Albert Einstein understood that there is never a conflict between science and faith in God. Such conflict only occurs in smaller minds.


“the doctrine of a personal G-d interfering with natural events could never be refuted… by science, for [it] can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot.” Albert Einstein


http://www.jewishworldreview.com/avi/shafran_ei...

Storm Rider, I only just came upon your post - I am a relative newcomer to this site. Would you like to engage me in conversation about Science and God? I'll be happy to accommodate you. Be careful, though about your interpretations of Einstein's view of "God": Einstein had no time for the God of The Books, so don't try to kid us he did.

Mental Marcus!
"There is no such thing as a Jewish race (but there is a lot of Jewish Bullshit)"

Hmm, my friend is the Pastor of his own Christian Church and IS Jewish, says it's a race and Judaism is a religion...That is fact for him...You are not a Jew, so who the hell cares what an anti-semite thinks?
LOL! Yer a nerd, ya know it? I'm Cherokee dumbass, That's my race. I don't give a fuck what some white dude sittin in a cozy office writes and says as recognized...You're an idiot.

The United States Census Bureau defines a Jew as any person who is atleast nominally a believer of the religion (really a cult) of Judaism.

"Also I sincerely hope that the “god” who imbued David with the command to decapitate another human being is not my God, the Creator who the founding fathers invoked in drafting the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The “god” of Davy also inspired the murderous Jewish king to kill his friend so he could marry his wife, and thump young virgins on his death bed."
Wow you are stupid dude...You are a fucking retard!!! Read PSALMS you numbnut, if God inspired David, why in the hell did his hand of protection get lifted so the peoples hearts were hardened against him?!?! Are you WILLINGLY IGNORANT or SOCIALLY? Inspired to do Psalms 35, 69, 109, etc....IS outright FEAR, Anger and finally the feeling of Injustice...He BEGGED God to hold court you twit, and JUDGE HIM for his actions whilst judging his false accusers....HE KNEW he fucked up and what was going on and he was TERRIFIED! LEarn before you speak Intellectual dude, you're embarassing.

Last time I checked, liberals said Al-Qaida wasn't in Iraq...So your statement is false. Liberals/Democrats never lie(right?)...So if they aren't there, then it isn't them doing the bombings, kidnappings, executions, etc...Geeze, are you that fucking stupid? OR you're correct and the Dems are fucking liars....Hmmm

Wow, your pastor says Jews are a race so it must be true. I mean an expert on theology must also be an expert on anthropology. Damn those stuck up scientists, who only recognize 5 races; they are anti-semites.

The Catholic Church once said that the earth was flat, so it must also be true.

/sarc

No, Mental Marcus, that is not what I said. I said my best friend that is a Pastor of his own church, not MY church.  Again I say, I am not a Catholic, why do you keep bringing them up? Nobody on here has claimed to be a Catholic, do you hate Catholics for some reason? You ignored me as well, I am Cherokee fucker...Not South Indies, not Aztec, not Incan...I am Cherokee, or from a race known as Cherokee. Get it stupid? And when it comes to jewish shit, hmmm..Whom should I believe, a Jew or your stupid ass?

Cherokee's are not a race freeptard.

Cherokee was a broad term that the white colonials gave to a group of Indians living in the American Southeast. Today, the term Cherokee is applied to three bands of Indians who together form the Cherokee Nation.

The Cherokee's are part of the American race; they are not a race just by themselves.

And you should definitely believe me over the Jews. Unlike the Jews I give evidence to back up my claims/opinions. Unlike Jews I dont worship murderers, rapists, and pedophiles such as Moses and David.

And unlike Jews I dont call the Virgin Mary a Jewish whore, and Jesus a bastard and false messiah.

We know Marcus that you dont worship Rapists,murders,or pedophiles,But your Culture is not innocent either,Different tribes constantly murdered,raped,stole from each other,Human sacrafices to false Gods and totems,I think this would fall in the catagory of paganism and idolotry.Modern day new agers and the like gave your people the sympathy vote,But Natives were far from perfect.Starvation,cannabalism,pedophilia,existed,long before the white man arrived.I am not saying what they did was right but now is the time all good people both infidels and others work for world peace.Anger only distorts one thoughts and can lead to murder,So lets all chill the fuck out and keep things in perspective.

MArcus, stfu and learn. Don't tell me my shit, and I won't own yours. Loosely translated it's Cherokee. I can tell ya to fuck off in CHEROKEE if you want, but you wouldn't understand it. Just like nobody would understand my fucking tribes name, you fuckin retard. I'm not MEXICAN, I am American, I do not expect EVERYONE to learn my birth language you fucktard... I am Cherokee by race bitch, that's the way 459 of my relatives were raised and aint no damn white person bitch like you gonna change it. Get it? Jews are a race, Judaism is a religion or for shitfucks like you A BELIEF. You didn't give shit squat for nothing, you big mouth lil punk. I crap bigger than you. I could care less what you call Jesus, you should stupid. Cuz if we are wrong, there's no harm and no foul...IF YOU ARE WRONG, guess the ending to that???? Duh? Christians aint done shit that other raises and/or religion didn't do before it or after...Crusades? LEarn yer damn history fool, the muslims were tyrants from the get! Sally as I call Imad ed-Din, Saladin was just 1 piece of shit....

And Julius, my peeps wrongs are well noted in our history, whites are the ones that covered it up, not us. And it's a lot worse than what you typed. Whites were assholes, but it was TIT for TAT.

To a non anything you should have this as a belief:
Judaism is a belief, not a fact.
Christianity is a belief, not a fact.
All religions are beliefs, not facts.
Evolution is a BELIEF , not a fact.

Get it? You claim 1 thing, but harangue Christianity...That's odd. Wouldn't that be like Ronald Reagen or Bill Clinton claiming to be Independent?

You want to know about MY race Marcus, stop listening to old white guys that dont get laid, and actually ask me. Otherwise, STFU....Same for Jews...You twit!

NOWHERE in the King James Version of the Bible, does it mention MARY'S age....Anything else, like Evolution, would be hypothetical...Despite what idiots say in Davinci Code type books...

AP reporting:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is calling Israel a "germ of corruption" that will be "removed soon."
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Hrmmm...Boy it's a good God damned thing Iran loves jews! WHOOOOOPTY DOO!!

These quotes are false, and fabricated, its easy to write down random quotes and then state that their from the quaran when they are not
Islam does not teach that women are inferior to men, it promotes the idea that men and woman are equal, and what other muslims say does not mean that it is actually islam. Muslim women wear burkas and such but that is not because the religion says that they must wear it, but rather overbearing men who misuse religion in order to fulfill their own goals. Its very much how the KKK used quotes from the bible in order to justify slavery. Chirstainity is anti- slavery and racism, but that did not the KKK from justifying their actions through Chirstainity. Honor killings, burkas, repression, not allowing women to vote, or to attend school or get jobs is all not apart of islam, and in fact islam condemns such actions.

Ferheen,
The Islam that is prominent in today's society seems to be the exact opposite of what you describe. You're gonna have to do better than that sparky! Quote us some reality then if the verses are wrong?!? And where does Islam condemn these actions, I haven't seen or heard much out of them besides suicide bombings and oppression on anything that is not Islam.

Sorry stud, but facts are facts and my quotes are dead on balls
accurate. Nice try tho! See, I back up my shit with legit translations,
you back up yours with your opinion. Understand the difference?
Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia...The list goes on killa!
All of it is practiced by muslims. Two muslim women stood on
the steps of a building that was to house the Miss World pageant
in India. What did they do? Doused themselves in gasoline and
then lit themselves on fire to protest the bikini portion. Yes, that's
intelligent teaching. You're Imam regurgitation of comparing
radicals to the KKK or the Christians/Bible is nonsense. Christians
and the teachings of it in churches have done nothing but evolve.
Islam/Muslims and the Quaran are still thousands of years of the
same. Nice try tho!

Now JennyJen...You and I are crazy, the nice muslims in the Sudan
are just lied about in the media...Darfur? Silly woman! That's a
nice place to vacation!

to Moni and Muslimah -
You say that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.  I say Satan rules the earth and is a great liar, so it just makes sense that your religion is picking up converts. You show your ignorance of the rest of the world and when you foam at the mouth is is  very Islamic.

To jennyjen,
Do you personally know any Muslims, or do you live in like middle america? Because in reality, yes there are muslims, who do commit horrible atrosities on mankind and women, but dont men of every religion, race and nation  carry out such horrendous crimes? Not to say that justifies, but i just think your misaccurately blaming Islam, when you should blame their cultures and society of those countries.  Not all muslims are like that. The moderate or liberal muslim never recieves a voice in our society, because it is does not make for good headlines. The overwhelming majority of muslims condemn the vicious crimes that occur. Islam came into play during a time period when the arabs, were burying their female childs alive, and islam stopped that. Islam gave women the right to vote in the 14th century. Women were allowed to hold jobs, and in fact the prophet's wife was a one of arab's most successful merchants. Women were allowed to own land, and everything. And I think it is not Islam that needs to change, but these backwards cultures of countries in the Middle East. but yeah even though i may have insulted you previously, i think that in general you would be surprised to see the opinions of the majority which are moderate muslims, like ahmadjinedad is a fruitcake, i met one of his advisiors, and i basically was condemned by him for being a heretic, it was kinda lovely, a compliment in fact! But just in general i think the media helps fuel this image that the minority actions represent the majority which is not the case, just like in many muslim countries they fuel anti western propaganda. and i think even other chirstains have believed in putting down our govt and crushing it, thats not islam speaking, thats politics, those are just pakistanis who dont like our govt, and although destroying us is impossible, and not very good for them seeing that we give them bilions. and allah is god, there is no difference, its like saying god in spanish. and there are milions of muslims, yes millions who love the United States, and our rights, and would never give it up for anything.
Charles
well lets start with the
10) it says not "to do what you would like with your wives" , but it says that "treat you wives with some good acts", and the whole field thing is a metaphor, i mean you can take it as negative metaphor, but it can also be interpreted by believing that wives are like fields, you need them to survive, and they are the very core and essence of your being.
9) it says that men are more accountable in the divorce, not that women are lesser.
8) it talks about inheritance if there is no will, and for the most part the male is the one who works, and the wife is taken care of finicially by the husband, but later in the quran it does state that circumstances such as a wealthier son than daughter, then this should be void
7)   its only applicable to loans as it states previously, and that is b/c of the woman may marry the man, so it is just a precaution to make sure her biases dont cloud the loans.
6) this is true, but it is also applicable to a male, so that divorce is not treated like a joke, you cant just marry and then decide to get a divorce and then married again                                                                                                       5) States that you can seek their hand in marriage, not have them as sexual slaves, it actually specifically states that you cant have them for such reason "Provided you seek them in marrriage, not lust or illicit sexual conduct"
4) and yes polygamy is allowed, but the first wife has the right to object, then a husband get cant married to another wife, she can also get a divorce. and polygamy is only for rare situations, such as war has killed most of the men, so there are women who need support. but women dont have to get married if they choose not to
3) its not saying u can just get rid of your wife, it says the verse above it if the women fears cruelty or desrtation on her husband's part, she can leave the relationship, it is not the man's place to decide such, but rather a womens
2) It doesnt say beat, it says to strike out of their home
1) these quotes are like from two different paragraphs, when it talks about prepubscent girls, it not referring to the previous statements, it talking about making sure that a women lives the same style of life as you, and not to restrict them for anything that you have, so that would apply to your wife, and to your prebusecent female child as well. not your prepubscent wife, thats gross!
clearly you must have a better version of the quran that i do, i mean being a muslim, they hand out the fake ones to us. And also i think personal biases cloud intrepretations, maybe you shouldn't hate so much, although not going to lie, its hard not to hate a religion, when you see as the reasons for all ur misfortunes, but its not the religion, but more so the cultures and societies that cause for mistreatment of women and suicide bombing and just things like that.

To Ferheen- Yeah, there is a growing number of Muslims where I live, some of which I see assimilating to American lifestyle and I feel better around them than I do around the all-American Tweekers that live down the road. Trust me, I know that any religion or race will have it's nutjobs, it just seems like Muslims and Islam got more than their fair share.
You seem like you could have a good head on your shoulders, and my mind is never made-up.  I'm open to change- hell, I welcome it if it means no more suicide bombings and the fair treatment of women in all countries.  Get the moderates to neutralize the extremists, stop blowing up Israel and we can all live happily ever after!

What is "it" in your reference of IT says.  You must be reading that clean white peoples quaran. Nowhere does it state ANYTHING like what you've said without violence following you silly ass... Yes it's such a peaceful misunderstood religion, that in ORDER to fucking stop it which started in with the muslim conquest of Jerusalem in 638, although delayed as a response, the Crusades began to combat muslim aggression! Stop your silly bullshit, I'm not a nerd that will be spoon-fed your crap about islam or muslims.  Let's quote the diffs, shall we?

Mark 13:3 (Jesus)
And you will be hated by all for my name's sake.
But he who endures to the end will be saved.

Quran 60:4
There is for you an excellent example to
follow in Abraham and those with him, when they
said to their people: "We are clear of you and of
whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected
you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity
and hatred for ever, unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone."

I have read the Quran. The verses quoted above are from the Quran and most of the Muslims dont know whats in the Quran and dont bother to know the meanings. Unfortunately, women are treated as objects of sex and lust in the Quran and their status is truly low compared to the male. Those who cant accept the truths  please read the Quran yourself and read various translations as well to assure yourself. Like many of the translators who use brackets to justify the contents the way they like to see it - so read without the brackets , like the use of the word "lighty" while beating the wife in the QURAN. I am sorry to say it. I am a Muslim and I have read this. You accept or reject it is up to you. QURAN is a man made book with Arab ethos, culture and tradition in it and Muhammad naturally is the product of his environment. Please dont defend your faith blindly - do try to understand it, read , read and read , be courageous to ask questions, search for knowledge and find out the truth. God does not create inequity and injustice and does not have human frailties. When blind faith leads us to accept injustice  it bemoans the intellect that the Creator of the Universe has given us.

It?? Oh, I mean change, not the Barry O version of it but the realistic sense of it. You know, where people adopt good common sense and realize the Koran is nothing more than a power-trip book written by a pedophile to justify his vile actions. Yeah, I know- it's a total long shot but one can dream right?

Masud,

You hit the nail on the head regarding blind faith.

OK guys...those verses are not complete, so continue writing the "whole" verse then see the difference in meaning, in Islam, you should read more than one verse to get an idea of what God is telling us.
Well, what about this verse from Al-Nisa
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great"
This verse is frequently interpreted as giving women complete control over their own income and property, while obliging men to be responsible for maintaining their female relatives. A small minority of Muslims interprets the verse as meaning men have an everlasting superiority over women, and thus the authority to beat women with few regulations. This interpretation, however, is neither mainstream nor supported by any prominent Muslim religious leader.


Muslim scholars cite sayings and traditions of Muhammad in relation to this verse.



“
The most perfect believer in faith is one who is the best of them in good conduct. The best of you is one who treats best with his wife among you."
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I hope you begin to "understand" the beauty of Islam and other religions :)
Thanks.

Thank you for posting this.  It is my belief that Islam is, by and large, harmful to women.  However, you could find just as many terrible quotes towards women in the Bible, easily.  The sooner people realize that it is not just Islam, but all organized religion that is a threat to human freedom and well-being, the better.  I don't seriously believe Islam is any better or worse than other religions.  They all teach that human beings should not be free and upright, sovereign over their own lives, but instead should be slaves to an invisible, tyrannical master whose wishes can never be truly known.

Free will?? I believe that's what we all have. The ability to make up one's mind using one's own judgment and basic belief in what is right and good. The Golden Rule- do unto others as you should have them do unto you! It doesn't mean your judgment is to be based on religion but most of the time, for me anyways, it is my Christian faith combined with my in general badassness.  :)'
Islam doesn't allow free will if your will doesn't reflect your religion then you are a bad Muslim and there's a possibility you will be stoned, hung or beheaded. Im just happy to report that I am not a Muslim, will never practice Islam and God help the asshole who tries to inflict it upon me!

This is ridiculous, there are very similar quotes in the Bible.

Bridget,

Where is your proof? Or do you have none?

Now your just being ignorant, It's like me asking all the christians to stop raping women, being arsonists and jumping off cliffs. Every religion has its flaws not only islam. I could also take phrases from the bibel and make them sound degrading if i put my own theories out. And you make it sound as if every muslim does jihad ("blow themselves up") wich is ofcourse incorrect, becouse if it infact was true it would mean that 1,5 billion (amount of muslims that exicst) people would do jihad and nevertheless the milions of people that would die with them. You should do your homework abit more often before posting such stupid comments.

Here are some nice bible quotes for you:

Rape is Ok ...
Deuteronomy 20:10-14 -
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

Murder is ok too ...
Deuteronomy 17:12
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.

Killing Homosexuals is a must ...
Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.

Killing non-believers is the word of God, remind you of anyone?? ...
2 Chronicles 15:12-13
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 

Shall I continue?

Ever read the New Testament, Zhann? It's a little different than the Old Testament. Why no New Testament quotes?

So what?  The Jesus Christ that I know didn't write or preach that.  And Jesus Christ is the only one that counts with me.  Certainly not some moon-god named allah ( whose real name is ar rahman....or something like that)

Just a little background on Jews ... they don't believe in Jesus, they believe in what you call the "Old Testament".  However, a little background on Christians, the Old Testament is a valid representation of God's will.  So logically, if the God of the Jews was Ok with killing, raping, pillaging and a great deal more, your God is ok with that too.  Oh, and one last thing, the Muslims also stem from the Old Testament, hence their God is the same as your God.  You all worship the same God, have the same rules, yet somehow you just can't get along.  Strange, no?

The Pedophile Chronicles is a combo of the old Testament and the Torah Scrolls. The bible has been translated many times and by tyrants and kings who wanted to use it to further their own agenda. Sound familiar?
I believe that the bible is a collection of stories, both good and bad that one uses to guide themselves thru this journey of life.  It should not be taken word for word, just like the Koran and other holy books.  If you choose to follow the bad, so be it, you will be judged in the end. If you choose to learn from the mistakes of the past, progress your thinking and become a better person- you got the point. Make life better for yourself and all around you. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you and make peace where you can.
Muslims are not making peace, they are making war. That (among other things) is why we can't get along.

IM A HAPPY MARRIED WIFE TO A MUSLIM READ THE QUARAN BEFORE POSTING UR STUPID QUOTES................

Poor woman married into a religion of mysogney, honor killings (yes it happens here in the US) and more millions illiterate people than any religion in the known world.  Hmmm...I don't care what the Quaran says. I'm a Christian and my book says all I need to know. the only power your religion has is power of men with guns, bombs and knives.  My God heals, delivers from demons, raises the dead...yes even today, brings peace...you have nothing to offer. If you kill me, I know where I'm going. This life is only a vapor, a moment, and is only the beginning.  I feel sorry for you.

Alright people - she's telling US TO READ THE KORAN? LMAO.  Honey, you need to read the koran!  We know all to well what's in that violent, hateful book.  Guys, I don't want to even touch this one.  This one is too ignorant for me - so what does everyone want to tell this person who tells us to read the koran?

First off, the muslims God is not the Jews/Christians or the Old Testaments God. It's a Bastardized version of Muhammed. He probably got picked on for being a bitch, no chicks dug him...So he did bullshit where he could have sex with any chick at any age.  No offense bro, to equate anything from the quaran with the Old Testament, is just outright offensive stupidity. That would be STUPIDITY on purpose with no value. Nowhere in the OT does God say "Rape them bitches" or anything like it. Does that make you retarded on purpose or an appeaser or both? You know it.
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Next asshole that posts some bullshit singing the praises of islam or the muslim faith, at least have the brain activity level of a gnat and research history. Start with the year 608. Get it?  FFS Muslims back then PREFERRED living in Christian held lands as opposed to muslim ones, cuz they had more rights...Get a damn life fools. Even the hillbilly muslims of the past had more brains that you CAIR supporters today...

I giggle at the mention of the "religion of peace" or is it "pieces"?

What an interesting thread. I just read it from the beginning.  I wonder if some of these people live here who spout their hatred for all things western. Do they realize that people, non islamic people, infidels,  have died for them to have the FREEDOM to say whatever they want?  If they hate the west so much why are they here? Why not move to Saudi or Iran? They could practice all the Islam they want with no arguments. This is a free country, and we intend to remain that way. And they are free too...but it's a mystery why they would stay in a country filled with people they hate.

It's simple really...Their goal is to convert everyone to their beliefs thru any means necessary. Logically, as you put it...Why live here if you are not wanted, go o Iran, Pakistan, etc...where Islam is the rule and law. They don't. That should set off the bells of any rational person. I mean, if I were gay, I wouldn't move to an Islamic country, would I? No, fear of death. So why the fuck would you move here to practice your muslim/islamic faith, if you know it's a majority ruled country by Christians? Exactly! To tear it apart from within equating to: A house divided cannot stand.

Charles...I think my question was rhetorical. I believe that too. It't like my 20 year old daughter wanted to be a hippie and live at home. I told her to go and really be one. The see how much she likes it.   These people want all the freedom and benefits we offer. They don't really want to live in a repressive Islamic society. But they trumpet the "goodness" of that very thing. I say...be a Muslim. Go live where Islamic law rules. Really experience the reality of that rule. And then tell me how wonderful it is. Don't live here taking advantage of all the freedom and tell us how fantastic it is to live under repression and tyrrany.

Liz  & Charles you are so right, and that would be the cure.  We don't want people here that just enjoys our country's freedom and hate's America, so just leave.

This has got to stop, and Obama would make America a Muslim nation, but won't be able to.  He's a friggin' loser.  The video of 'Hitler as Barack' is a scream.  Brilliant!   mosquewatch.blogspot.com

Oooo we have a lot of CIA paid for bloggers and blog posters eh?
Can I have some money? The secularist wont give me a job because I don't look, behave or promote secularism or Christianity or Judaism or anti-islam.
http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/toc.html
 
And we all know what Jesus says.
 
He says in matthew 7:23
"...f*ck off, noob."
Damn that Jesus has a foul mouth.

Rudy - 1.5 billion Muslims.   10% want to kill infidels. You do the math. Lots of f*cking crazy muslims.  And FAR -  it says depart from me, lawless ones. You must be muslim, you are foaming at the mouth and showing your inbred ignorance. You don't have any money because your islamic goverments are so corrupt  and  because you are too busy hating and being a whack-job.

Well i guess you stayed out on the school yard while others were actually learning something becouse you sound like a dumb wanker to me. Im no Muslim, and i know that the meaning with islam is greater than what you have seen on TV. We christians are showing our true side at times  of chrises like this. It feels like we have been waiting for someone to blame for all our misstakes. And you are by far the most ignorant dumb c*nt ive seen in ages. Add this to your knowledge: Islamic people got more money than your goverment could offer. 6/10 richest ppl are Muslims, and i bet i could sell my dogg for more paper than your shaggy mother would get for you. So i guess my "wack-job" is paying off quite good

You are not a Christian in any sense and you write like an ignoramus. Try using spellcheck!
Where do you get your information -  "Islamic people got more money than your goverment could offer. 6/10 richest ppl are Muslims" ? 
This thread is about how islam is oppressive to women and reading all the responses from people like you just reinforce that. 
And you were foaming at the mouth with your "impressive' personal attack on me.

Yo Debbs,

foaming? You want me to foam? You telling me who I should be? I got enough of that from the women at college.

And you were rude to me? Hmm Jesus had many things to say to you folk, but couldn't. I'm guessing communication was one of those things.

Anyway, what matthew 7:21-13 says, refers to people say "in jesus's name", and jesus curses such people.

Rudy... Quran 96:3-8, refer to it. And then you'll know what mistake you just made.

Wait a minute, rudy is a muslim? Oh no, rudy is defending muslims...

Well let's see what the Quran say's about communication, since Jesus couldn't say.

"This Reading (Quran) guides to the best path, and brings good news to the believers who lead a righteous life, that they have deserved a great recompense." (17:9)


Always Respond to a 'Greeting':
"When greeted with a greeting, you shall respond with a better greeting or at least an equal one. GOD reckons all things." (4:86)
"O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation: "Thou art not a believer!"..." (4:94)
Always Say 'Good' things:
"Do you not see that GOD has cited the example of a good word as a good tree whose root is firmly fixed, and its branches are high in the sky. It produces its crop every season, as designed by its Lord. GOD thus cites the examples for the people, that they may take heed." (14:24-25)
Be 'Humble', and speak 'Lightly':
"Walk humbly and lower your voice, the ugliest voice is the donkey's voice." (31:19)
Invite to GOD with wisdom and kindness:
"Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones." (16:125)
"It was mercy from GOD that you became compassionate towards them. Had you been harsh and mean-hearted, they would have abandoned you. Therefore, you shall pardon them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult them. Once you make a decision, carry out your plan, and trust in GOD. GOD loves those who trust in Him." (3:159)
Be Kind to your parents:
"Your Lord has decreed that you shall not worship except Him, and your parents shall be honored. As long as one or both of them live, you shall never say to them, "Uff" (the slightest gesture of annoyance), nor shall you shout at them; you shall treat them amicably. And lower for them the wings of humility, and kindness, and say, "My Lord, have mercy on them, for they have raised me from infancy." (17:23-24)
Suppress Anger & Forgive People:
"who (the righteous) give to charity during the good times, as well as the bad times. They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people. GOD loves the charitable." (3:134)
Counter Evil with Good:
"Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend." (41:34)
"They steadfastly persevere in seeking their Lord, observe the Link (Salat), spend from our provisions to them secretly and publicly, and counter evil with good. These have deserved the best abode." (13:22)
Do NOT Say 'Bad' things:
"And the example of the bad word is that of a bad tree chopped at the soil level; it has no roots to keep it firm." (14:26)
Do NOT be 'Arrogant' or 'Carefree':
"You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth carefree. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs." (31:18)
Do NOT engage in 'ignorant' talk:
"The servants of the Almighty are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace." (25:63)
Do NOT Curse the Idolaters:
"And do not curse those who call on other than GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done." (6:108)
Do NOT make fun of others, or call them names:
"O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors." (49:11)
Do NOT be suspicious, or spy on one another, or backbite:
"O you who believe, if a wicked person brings any news to you, you shall first investigate, lest you commit injustice towards some people, out of ignorance, then become sorry and remorseful for what you have done." (49:6)
"O you who believe, you shall avoid any suspicion, for even a little bit of suspicion is sinful. You shall not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite one another; this is as abominable as eating the flesh of your dead brother. You certainly abhor this. You shall observe GOD. GOD is Redeemer, Most Merciful." (49:12)
Do NOT be 'Racist':
"O people, We created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant." (49:13)

My goodness, you are too funny!! Read what you posted and look then at the "verses" you posted. Guess you go against your own book.  College, you???  HAhahahahahaha!

These verses are found in Proverbs in the Christian bible. They apply to you FAR and I will not answer anymore of you ridiculous posts!
The stupidity of fools is most evident in their speech (14:3; 18:7), which conceals hatred and slanders others (10:18), continuously spouts stupidity and folly (15:2), reveals the foolishness of their heart (15:7), provokes only anger and fighting (18:6), and does not speak proverbs appropriately (26:7, 9). Thus, excellent speech is unfitting for such individuals (17:7), and so the only recourse is simply for them to quit talking (17:28).
So stop talking.

You're going to stop talking to me?

Sorry which verses are taken from the proverbs?

Yo charles, the arabs of the Gulf state are well... well those arab women demand! ? If you cannot afford the bridal gift they ask for, then that's you. And they ask for millions.
 
Charles, you could use some of those Quran quotes I posted above.
 
Also, please refer to
 
http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html
I hear the CIA (term used generally for corrupt intending agencies) give these people full time jobs.
 
Yo charles, didn't Jesus teach love? And forgivness x number (was that 400 or 70) of times
 
psalms 35
1 Plead my cause, O LORD, with them that strive with me: fight against them that fight against me.

2 Take hold of shield and buckler, and stand up for mine help.

3 Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation.

4 Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt.

5 Let them be as chaff before the wind: and let the angel of the LORD chase them.

6 Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them.

7 For without cause have they hid for me their net in a pit, which without cause they have digged for my soul.

8 Let destruction come upon him at unawares; and let his net that he hath hid catch himself: into that very destruction let him fall.

9 And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD: it shall rejoice in his salvation.

10 All my bones shall say, LORD, who is like unto thee, which deliverest the poor from him that is too strong for him, yea, the poor and the needy from him that spoileth him?

11 False witnesses did rise up; they laid to my charge things that I knew not.

12 They rewarded me evil for good to the spoiling of my soul.

13 But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom.

14 I behaved myself as though he had been my friend or brother: I bowed down heavily, as one that mourneth for his mother.

15 But in mine adversity they rejoiced, and gathered themselves together: yea, the abjects gathered themselves together against me, and I knew it not; they did tear me, and ceased not:

16 With hypocritical mockers in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth.

17 Lord, how long wilt thou look on? rescue my soul from their destructions, my darling from the lions.

18 I will give thee thanks in the great congregation: I will praise thee among much people.

19 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause.

20 For they speak not peace: but they devise deceitful matters against them that are quiet in the land.

21 Yea, they opened their mouth wide against me, and said, Aha, aha, our eye hath seen it.

22 This thou hast seen, O LORD: keep not silence: O Lord, be not far from me.

23 Stir up thyself, and awake to my judgment, even unto my cause, my God and my Lord.

24 Judge me, O LORD my God, according to thy righteousness; and let them not rejoice over me.

25 Let them not say in their hearts, Ah, so would we have it: let them not say, We have swallowed him up.

26 Let them be ashamed and brought to confusion together that rejoice at mine hurt: let them be clothed with shame and dishonour that magnify themselves against me.

27 Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.

28 And my tongue shall speak of thy righteousness and of thy praise all the day long.

Amen!
 
 
Pslams 69 & 109 is far too harsh for our enemies after we learned of Jesus's and then Muhammed's message.
 
But unfortunately, the curse of the above chapters have occurred.
 
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ira...
 
By the way charles, who is allah? Well they had it in the arabic christian bible, until they changed it to al ilah (which is the biggest joke amongst the arabs, because allah is "al ilah" [the god] but with grammar).
 
http://www.islamicity.com/quransearch/action.la...
That is my religion above, refer to the links there.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM11SAEixY4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpd-Ek1-RRc
 
http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/toc.html
Charles, I recommend that to you, but it's a long read. But it will explain many things.
 
 
Oh and if anyone said (or you thought they said) that muslims fear women, then that's not the case. Muslim males duties is to be loving and kind to women, and give them pocket money (poket money for my wife would be minimum £40 a week) and thats even if shes working. Why you say? Because this is the example of the prophet and the Quran.
“Men are leaders over women, because of the fact that Allah has favored one over the other, and because of the fact that they spend out of their wealth upon them” (quran 4:34)
Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Number 291:

Narrated 'Aisha:

Hind (bint 'Utba) said to the Prophet "Abu Sufyan is a miserly man and I need to take some money of his wealth." The Prophet said, "Take reasonably what is sufficient for you and your children "
According to Imam Al-Bukhari, a woman is permitted to entertain and feed others from her husband’s wealth in FAIR measure without waiting for his permission.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/womens_rights_refe...

I will agree that the "ugliest voice is that of a donkey's". Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Biden....the beginning of a long list of jackasses!!

Soz stupid Far, you took a Psalm out of context. Time to be schooled.

David who in essence ignored God and his, lusted so badly after married woman, he sent her husband into battle in the front lines to die so he could have sex with her. It happened, and he did. So the LORD THY GOD(not allah), said "K, time to teach a lesson to my main peep"...He removed his hand of protection from King David...

So skip ahead, psalms begins because David said "Fuck you God"....Enter Psalm 35...Titled: God the Avenger. David said "Screw this, I'm fucked, and bowed down before the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and basically said this:"
"I have defiled thy name, but I am persecuted for crimes I did not commit. I ask YOU GOD, to be my Judge and Jury and I ask that the trial of my soul be held here and now." <--- The entire opening of Psalm 35 is the Defendents opening remarks... He stated his case and asked/pleaded with God to Judge him and his accusers...Read Psalms 69 n 109 for other nice requests...Although you heard me before and ignore it...Harsh? Hardly, when put into context. You are apart of the punks that believe Jesus is a hippy with a flower in his hair above his ear....As I stated, skip ahead to Revelations. Muhammed is a joke, Allah as praised by the muslims is a tool...You are a dork for supporting blasphemy, the entire islam nation is condemned by the word of God. Quote and quote, the bible does not lie. Unless Jesus spoke it, don't quote him as tho he did.

I dont read arabic bibles, I read Greek. So don't waste MY time quoting arabic, kid...Curses are/were done and no more the second Christ died on the Cross...Get it? Sins are/were paid for. The fact that you are attempting to quote
the Judeo or/and Christian bible/philosophy to back up an obvious cult like muslims/islam is silly. Go back to yer hole Saddam....Yer owned.

Charles: "...muslim conquest of Jerusalem in 638, although delayed as a response, the Crusades began to combat muslim aggression! "
 
You forget that the Jews were banned from entering Jerusalem until the mu'slims had taken over the Roman area known as Palestine, the first time in 500 (or was that 300) years were the  Jews allowed to return.

Comment by jennyjen on 22 September 2008:

I will agree that the “ugliest voice is that of a donkey’s”. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Biden….the beginning of a long list of jackasses!!

 
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I'd disagree, as they use a sweet tongue, they're most likely hypocrites than donkies (though democratic emblem is that of a donkey).  As they all share beds.
 
You read Greek?
So what's this say:
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
I believe Jesus is a hippy? WTF?
Jesus commanded his disciples to hold swords, and protect him while he was worshipping to the god.
 
Are you sure I read it out of context, or did you give it to me out of context?
 
You do know that the mu'slims are the largest single religious group on the planet (or do you want to believe that the secularists are a group, I would have thought they were pop-slaves)
And the number of (well educated) Christian becomming muslim is greater than the number of all the (low educated third world country) muslims becomming christian.
As for Christ dieing on the cross, how about asking Jesus when he comes back. Then again one could always refer to the gospels.
Then again you may prefer to believe in an idea that you have to accept one persons sacrifice for some next persons sacrifice to save you. Though, sounds pretty illogical to me, and doesn't sound like  Deuteronomy 24:16... Seriously, if you got rid of where ever you learned such an idea. So... how do you figure out which is the contradiction and which is the word of the god? You use the Quran (chp 3 verse 1-4).

The Democrats share a common voice and a common symbol. It is my opinion that they are Jackasses. Disagree all you want, it is a free country. You know One Nation, Under God, Indivisible with Liberty and Justice for All. Sharia Law doesn't recognize that, so I will not respect it.

If you are unable to understand the Quran, this does not mean Quran is wrong.
I have a question for you as an argument.
If that so then why are so many women converting to Islam in your so called liberal west?

fahim,
Where are your numbers showing so many women converting to islam? I'd like to see your proof.

Being unable to understand the quran does not change the fact that the quran was used by the mufti of Tripoli (now called Libya) as justification for attacking American merchant ships in the Mediterranean during the 1780's. Nor does it erase that in the majority of jihad attacks by muslims, the jihadi usually was recruited in the name of islam, because the quran states that he who fights that islam should be superior fights for allah.

To quote the Great American John Wayne, "Life's hard, it's even harder if you're stupid!" They are making life harder on themselves.  I think the last statistic said that one out of every 4 or 5 American's have a less than average IQ. Also, I don't think its that they are converting as much as they are "marrying into" the bullshit.
What about the number of Muslims converting to Christianity? That's punishable by death in Iran, gotta love that kind of freedom.
Also, I don't have to understand the Koran, I understand what people do in the name of Islam, following the doctrine of the Koran. That's enough for me.  You're truly wasting your time arguing with me about this, I will never see your side, as you will never see mine.
Long Live the Infidels!!!

Fahim, don't be a hater. Not aware of any female conversions enmasse...The ones I am aware of, are because the woman is thinking with the part of the body that is generally removed underal muslim rule. Get it?

The lines === on top and bottom surround your words... Anything out is my reply.

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I’d disagree, as they use a sweet tongue, they’re most likely hypocrites than donkies (though democratic emblem is that of a donkey).  As they all share beds.
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They don't use sweet tongues, they lap up BS.

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You read Greek?
So what’s this say:
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
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Yes I do actually, as well as 2 tongues in Cherokee, Spanish, German, French , Japanese and oddly enough I feel compelled to sadly admit to my kids I now know Klingon. I'm like the almighty killa, I don't do tests to prove what I say.  Although I could curse at you  7 languages(not english) and not get banned and you wouldn't have a friggin clue what I said. Less you cheat of course and use the languages input option in Explorer...Or did you? LoL!


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I believe Jesus is a hippy? WTF?
Jesus commanded his disciples to hold swords, and protect him while he was worshipping to the god.
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Peeps like you do, as usual. No he didn't, there was no "the god" int he Bible. There was only THE God. But hey, nice try?

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Are you sure I read it out of context, or did you give it to me out of context?
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Vague is lame, try something else. Positive.

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You do know that the mu’slims are the largest single religious group on the planet (or do you want to believe that the secularists are a group, I would have thought they were pop-slaves)
And the number of (well educated) Christian becomming muslim is greater than the number of all the (low educated third world country) muslims becomming christian.
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Quoting what? Sighting what source for this? The reason it's the largest
is because of the poor in Africa, India, and the Middle East. That's all.  Show me non-liberal, non-muslim facts to back up your silly assertions...Otherwise they are just that! No offense stud, but in MY estimation(guesstimation) 90% of all muslims are as ignorant as you.

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As for Christ dieing on the cross, how about asking Jesus when he comes back. Then again one could always refer to the gospels.
Then again you may prefer to believe in an idea that you have to accept one persons sacrifice for some next persons sacrifice to save you. Though, sounds pretty illogical to me, and doesn’t sound like  Deuteronomy 24:16… Seriously, if you got rid of where ever you learned such an idea. So… how do you figure out which is the contradiction and which is the word of the god?
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Don't peeps like you get it? obviously not. Know why? I will quote THE GOD, You are "willingly ignorant." <---lol! That's dumb on purpose!

There are no contradictions in the bible, kid. ZERO. Know why? The King James Bible is the infallable, inerrant word of the Living God.

Get it? If not, I will pray for you. Next time, let your prejudices towards Americans, Christians and Cherokee's be muted. You've met the 1 that is all 3 I just listed. I have street cred n college papers claiming I know stuff after 12 years of college. Know what? The street part taught 200x more.

I feel sorry for peeps like you...They say that Hell is this and that...I believe for men Hell is getting bent over for 1000's of years by your most disdained...In-laws, whatever. Good luck with that.

Far: The word palestine was invented in the 1900's....Get it?

All the rhetoric doesn't mean shit.  Christian, mooslim, whatever.  The bottom line is, you can kinda do what you want as long as you obey the law of the land.  The law of THIS land is based on the 10 Commandments.  Follow them and you can't go wrong.  Mooslims and super Christians, lunatic church pushers of whatever stripe can all stick it where the sun don't shine.  Jesus summed it all up in the Sermon on the Mount.  He even taught us the "Lord's Prayer" (that's why they call it that).  Mooslims are totally full of shit and Christians have added a bunch of bullshit to the rules that God Himself gave us.  Jesus tried to clear that up.....but humans are natural born idiots and keep fucking with things.  The idiot apostles start fucking up right after Jesus ascended to heaven (it started in "Acts").  Muslims are the most sexually repressed pud pullers in the world.  Their countries are shit-holes except where oil has paid their bills and bought slaves to do the work they are too frickin lazy to do.  If I was a mooslim living like they do, I think suicide bombing for a "reward" in Heaven would probably look pretty good.  The  purpose of all the terror is to persuade those inflicted with it to join islame and be in the same shit with the mooslims.  (ie: join islam or die) Crap, what a choice!  THAT'S where they get the converts.  Leave islam and you die......but, most that want to leave can't because they're too poor to move away from it.  So they just bow their heads and go along with the ruling mook's program......what a fucked up life!  Anybody that's mooslim is an idiot or just too damn stupid to realize how fucked up islam is.  At least with Christians, I can tell them to buzz off and get the hell off my porch.  And, I won't even get a fatwa or get killed for it.

I'm a muslim.... WHY AREN'T MY COMMENTS POST!!!???

That's better

Far,

Some comments get tied up in the queue for moderation. We try to approve them as fast as possible, but we do have careers, and are not online 24/7. Apologies for the delay. I will check the spam filter to see if any of your comments are in there.

Tonto,

LMAO @ pud-pullers :D

Type "women + convert" into youtube.
Let me help you.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wom...
I'm guessing that these women have read the quran.
Or are you going to use the excuse that muslim men are so sexually attractive they turn women into muslims?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnsIeh_s05g
 
Uh oh... something seems fishy somewhere!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LizvxshoOu0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtSnn974cik&...
Very fishy!
As for the muslim numbers being the largest single group, refer to CIA fact book. It has catholics as 16.99% as the largest group there, and we all know that the Catholics don't go to the same place of worship as the others. Where as even if you took out the shiites that would still be 17.85%  (85% of all muslims are mainstream) of global population.
All these so called muslims have to do is refer to and act upon Quran chatper 96 and that would be the end of their ineptitude but the beginning of their journey to getting back on the straight path.
 
Have a look at some of your ancestors.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_Cherokee_trib...
 
And note that they would not have used bad words or cursed people as in reference to the above Do's and Don'ts of etiquette.
By the way what did you study?
I'm currently beginning a Bsc Computing and Mathematics course with the Open University.
 
Regarding the bible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9jbhgjTi_M
The bible is from the god, but what you have is additions by historians and commentators, added by some scrupilous individuals and called it to be the bible. Refer to luke chapter 1, he says that what he's writing is a commentary and meaning of the original words.
The god says that the word of the god will be preserved. But the god also says that such people who say that what they write is from the god, also exist. And they sell their words for a pathetic profit compared to heaven.
Regarding the King James Version... that's not the word that Jesus sent, therefore it's not the bible, it's bearly a translation of the original words with commentary by paul and friends. You can even refer to oldest manuscripts in greek, they don't match in many words used.
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/
http://www.biblebaptistmeaford.com/versions22.html
The bible is in the language the prophets spoke.
As for the King James version and it's language... old english?  Well... I guess I'd agree on that, we wouldn't want the children to read Ezekiel 23. Yes don't read that, read this:
http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html

In punjabi, a "pud" would be in reference to the female organ.
 
But Tonto, think about it... if anyone was trying to convince people to join their cause, would they use force? How does on man convince his enemies to join him?
 
Think about it again, who would wish that I'slam be like as it seems to be?
 
Refer to this:
http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/clash....
Give it the benefit of doubt.

I read this tread from the beginning.  Interesting points of view with all the quotes, counterquotes and misquotes.  I did notice that FAR's postings have calmed down.  Does he usually rant but is now on medication?  That one poster (Deborah) really got to you - was it the bible quotes or the fact she wouldn't debate you?  Charles, I think you should translate the Greek that guy sent you -it's probably taken off a bablefish translation and is supposed to "school" you! Have you noticed that islamic apologetics consist of attacking the other person's faith but has no proof to substantiate their position? Just my thoughts.

In traditional societies, when a man and woman marry the woman is supposed to take on the man's religious beliefs. That is why it is hunky-dory for a Muslim man to take a western wife but a fatwa for a Muslim woman to take a Western husband. There's your conversion factor.
I don't give a rat's hairy ass about the number of people converting to Islam. If 70% of the population was to jump in the path of a train, would you jump as well?? I have a thought process that makes it extremely difficult to follow a religion such as Islam. You state you're in college, take a philosophy class, Logic and Practical Reasoning is a good one but you'd be wise to leave your Islam at the door, your head may explode.
Oh, and Ezekiel 23 is very popular, Samuel L. Jackson quotes it in Pulp Fiction right before he kills his enemies. "And I will strike down upon you with great vengance and terrible fury..." God is speaking to those who would try to lead his followers astray, aka Musselmen and Satan.  Or that's my interpretation and yeah, that's the one I like! Because really, that's all we have is what we interpret.

Oh, so now you want me to believe in the illuminati, LMFAO! Get something legit not a played out conspiracy theory! Idiots never cease to amaze me...do you deny the holocaust as well?

Rainbows Forever:
jennyjen: Very good and In Christ there is neither male or female.  That will get the Muslim yellow streak backs up, but the Word of God is not bound.  How: dory-hunky!  The Muslims are powerless against God's powerful word. 
IT IS WRITTEN, IT IS FINNISHED.
There is nothing they can do about it, and I have experiential knowledge of that power.  Like the Centurian said to Jesus: speak the Word ONLY, and my servant will be healed.  WOW!  Many, many times, more than I can count, my husband and I have done just that.  We have stood, unrelenting on God's matchless word and power.  All I can say, is it has worked every time, FOR EVERYTHING.  So I have such confidence in the believers that are joined in heart and trust in God to move miraculously in this election and McCain will rise victoriously.   John McCain is a one of a kind, kinda sorta guy. God is well able to take care of this situation as Liz said we need the enemy confounded tthat is exactly what is happening.  Obama is confused, and he is like a goose that wakes up in a new world every morning, HIS! (funny Obama is all alone in HIS little ego world right now)  Making his "State of the Union Address Speech."  Who does Obama think he is?  HELL-O!  People just need to be patient and let go and let God!

I know Sarah  Palin is praying along with her church and us.  God is tuned in, and all things work together for the good, for the called and for those fitting into God's plan.  Rom: 8:28

It just took forty days and nights for the whole earth to drown, and Noah, started all over again, with the animals.  Not to worry!
It's called the Rainbow connection.  May you have Rainbows Forever!

Rainbows, Sunshine and Good Times! Travellight and have a get right kinda day Carolyn!

OK - jennyjen - Cool!  You are the best.

Aisha - I would, but that isn't proof. Vista has built in translations, so it's futile. It doesn't prove I know any language. I can call someone a "putah" or that my woman gave me a "mamada" last night, but that does not mean I know Spanish, even tho I do.  I coudl say in cherokee "o'sah hinka" and it won't matter today....Btw the translations mean: Bitch, blowjob and fuck off.

I've argued with Kal(admin) in the past, and that did not affect the length or period with which my posts were approved..Kal is str8-up legit....Take the man @ his word....Which is why I respect him and him alone of the admin on this site....fuck yea, God bless him for the balls to disagree and not shutdown discussion!!! <---Go Kal!

FYI Tonto was Apache, I am Cherokee...If yu wish to make name-called taunts, get the races/clans/groups/tribes right. My tribe did not believe in nailing fetuses' to our homes, the Apache did. My tribe did not believe in carving babies out of pregnant women, the Apache did. I take offense to your comment, only because of your ignorance of Indian heritage.

Soz Far, I thought you were equal to me, which is why I posted to you...You are still in college, I did 12 years already, and am done. You are a noob, so I will go light on you. You are grouping all Indians/Tribes as a people, they were not. For instance the Cherokee of the north were 80% different fromt he Cherokee of the south or west...Get it? Your quote means nothing. Like muslims are different, Cherokee are different. Wait, unless you are saying all muslims are terrorists? Are you? Nah, coz not, you wouldn't be that stupid. However, the difference between Cherokee and Muslims...The minority rule muslims, not Cherokee. Get it?

Aisha:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkht3noIK0E
http://www.hundredyearlie.com/ssi.html
That athenian greek quote is from John 1:1. And I posted it to ask Charles why it's translated as it is in English in such a manner. I'm only learning ancient greek.
http://www.greekbible.com/index.php
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/
And do note that the US government pays people to write in blog posts, and I get nothing.
Jennyjen:
Illuminati -> organization of gog magog people.
Ezekiel 25:17 not Ezekiel 23.
And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.
Ezekiel 23 if put in film, would be an xxx rated film and a fake snuff movie.
 
Charles:
What did you study?
 
And perhaps we should refer to the Urban diction regarding the term "n00b" :
 
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III. Behavior of noobs 
Since noobs are basically ignorant bastards, they have a lot in common. The most often seen characteristic is their fluency in noobish, which is why it got its own section. They will also be very self confident as if they were the absolute best at what they are in fact the worst at. Also, they are quite agressive and self-centered, and tend to laugh a lot using many L's and O's in rapid sucession (the noobish word for laughing like an ultimate retard). 

It is their instinct to assemble in packs for defense, and they often attempt to organize packs that they call teams. Unfortunately for them, teams usually result in a total loss of communication and they can often begin to fight amongst each other. These teams are quite unlike those formed by non-noobs. 

Noobs have difficulty reading English and cannot comprehend the idea of authority. 

Therefore, they have an all-out disregard for rules, basic or not. A good way to identify a noob (bad) vs. a newb (good) is to tell them (or have an authority tell them) which rule they are unknowingly breaking. If they respond with an apology and fix it, they are probably not a noob. If they react by insulting everything around them in rapid noobish and causing general mayhem, it is because they are a noob and have had a small seizure due to their inability to understand what is happening.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=...
Please Charles, your language style is not befitting someone who is educated.
Also, you did not say which Cherokee tribe or region you were of or from. You implied that you were "Cherokee" by race; as in general.
 
Please confirm that I corrected you on the origin of the word Palestine and the fact of muslim numbers.

Charles, This Tonto is Apache (Inde).  The TV Tonto (Lone Ranger Series) was actually a Tewa from New Mexico.  Tewas are a pueblo people who make beautiful jewelry and are excellent craftsmen and farmers.  I live in Cherokee country now, East Tennessee, and love it.  It's beautiful here.  It's the #1 motorcycle destination in the nation.  Just FYI.
Far,   Words often have very different meaning in different languages....it's pretty amusing sometimes.  "Cock" can mean male chicken, a dick or, in arabic, cookie.  Hoda in arabic is a lovely name for a female, but means fuck in mexican spanish.  "Loam" in American means a type of fertile soil good for growing things, in Vietnamese, it means vagina.
   And all the religious, self righteous crap is meaningless if people use it as an excuse to oppress others, which , at this time, and worldwide, the muslims are doing.  Killing Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc.  All of those religions are basically peaceful, or at least, the proponents of those other religions make a very strong attempt at being peaceful.  They all propound peace, tolerance and loving help to all mankind.  Islam's koran and hadith, on the other hand is a manual of hate, intolerance and repression.  There are 132 verses that are violent in nature.  The customs of islam dominated cultures are backward, intolerant and violent.  That's why every islam dominated culture on earth is a violent shithole and the sexual repression there is unnatural and deviant.  There have been a truly amazing number of violent attacks by muslims on everybody else since 9/11 when people start counting.  11,934 attacks, and God only knows how deep the stack of bodies is.  That blows away Hitler, Mao, Ghengis Khan, and maybe even Stalin.  And get this, MOST of the dead are other muslims!  That tells me that not only are muslims nuts, they're also stupid as hell.  They're probably better off pulling their peepees, or their puds, and not even consider having kids to raise in that shit.  And, you can take that any way you want to.  There is no way in the world that you can convince me that islam is worth "two dead flies".  You can't cause anyone to join your cause by violence....try it and, sooner or later, you get your ass kicked.  Guess you never read Machiavelli, Sun Tsu, or Musashi's "5 rings".  If all you've read is the koran (which is really a piss poor example of prose, but really big in twisted plagiarism), you're sorely lacking in education and way behind the curve.  Read up some, or get into a philosophy course or two, and come back and talk shit.  Right now, you're just laughable.

Jennyjen, should you be concerned about those who deny the holocaust of the Christians by the Russians and the Ottomans? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_Privileges Or do you hide that which was given to you?
 
But seriously, Tonto, how much does the US government pay you for talking like that?

Tonto...I agree with everything you've said for the most part. A small thing that I know you know.... Stalin killed at least 15 million, many in Ukraine. Spent some time there, and they hate Russia because of it. Also Hitler killed around 11 million if you count others than Jews. This does not make excuse for Islam. If fundamentalists became a world wide power they would make these 2 look like boy scouts, and kill many more tens or even hundreds of millions. It would be all infidels and any moderate Muslims, since they don't consider them "real" Muslims at all. I pray that never happens.

Far, wouldn't it be nice if Muslims would follow that instead of executing Christians because of their beliefs? The pedophile may have executed that charter but he also executed Christians and Jews. Just because it is written doesn't mean it is followed. Just as some Christian groups blow up abortion clinics to save lives. Yeah, go fig?? The problem with Extremists is that they always think they are right. 
Oh and btw, Mohommed's little charter doesn't apply to me. See in America, you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Freedom of speech and religion and the right to bear arms. I was born an American and I will die an American because regardless of what anyone says, this is the greatest country on Earth and it is blessed by God! Long Live the Infidels!!

Also, I'm pretty sure Tonto is not on the governments payroll. He would seriously piss off those liberal bastards in Washington!

america? blessed by god???? maybe your fictional one but a true american lady would know about the history of their country right? america has been taken over by the english from the red indians back then, so how would you call yourself new-england so new-english hahaha u sounded so funny carrying all that pride for your country when you guys haven't even got true belongings their but i don't really want to argue much cause you're not worth my time. But one last thing I'd like to say what's happening in israel-palestine is the same as what happened back then... white people (find it funny) are seeking power and using their brains you guys are very clever hahaha again but we're fighters and have balls... I really don't see the reason for that huge argument you guys are having, just watch and you'll see what comes next.
thanks for your time
and before calling me an ineducated fool, I just want to let you know that I'm a lebanese citizen living in Dubai, worth 40mills if you reli need to know

HK, you are not ineducated. You are UNeducated, and a fool. How do you think modern day Lebanon came to be? It was invaded and colonized countless times. The Romans, the Arabs, etc... I also know that there was NEVER a nation called Palestine. Palestine is the Roman name given to Judea and the surrounding countries when they conquered. So you are worth 40mills? What 40 million Lebanese pounds? 40 paper mills? I always believed that having money does not make a person intelligent. Thanks for proving that theory so convincingly.

Lastly, If your precious fighters have such balls, why hide their rockets behind women and children (Hizbullah/Hamas/al Qaeda)?

Jennyjen you are right about Tonto:  Maybe he needs to be on the payroll, some one needs to kick a$$ and take names.  John McCain is one man that will along with one woman Sarah Palin, the pit bull with lipstick.   Thank God the believers are on their side. 
The liberal SOB's are a lost cause because they have such Toxic Thinking.

Jennyjen?
 
Pedophile muhammed? Nonsense, and I'll show you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm_fkOBZrOQ&...
References are here:
http://www.muhaddith.org/IslamicVideos/ProphetM...
 
Unfortunately, America was developed from deistic principles. Most of the founding fathers were masonic or had such links. Well this is what I read and hear. And what I read & hear seems somewhat logical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klwWcp9eiPw
You should check the references before you disagree.
And that "terrorism and the illuminati" seems like it deserves at least the benefit of doubt.
As for those in washington, I see they like to gather in the Bohemian Groves.
The evidence for gog magog existing is in the ceremony of that "Cremation of Care".
 
And why would anyone do infidelity against the god? We hear and obey, and that is what the god tells us to do, and that is what we need.

the description of n00bs sure fits the description of those Muslim punks running around Europe...did anyone else notice that?? The Hells Angels are coming after them and that makes me smile ear to ear!
FAR- I spend way too much time working and socializing to make sure I have a biblical chapter number correct for a blog post..excuse the hell outta me!! I think the good Lord will forgive me and the other posters probably will too. 
Carolyn- hells yeah! I think Tonto would make an excellent adviser or cabinet member, even a Supreme Court Justice! This country needs more people like us- Good God-fearin, Gun-totin' ballsy SOB's!  Willing to whip out our balls at the drop of a hat and say "i dare you asshole! Thump'em and see what happens!"  Well for Carolyn, Liz and myself, we speak of our theoretical balls haha!