Top 10 Quran quotes every woman MUST SEE

by Infidelesto on January 11, 2008 · Comments

Tell every woman you know about these verses. The oppression of women that Islam advocates is not only disturbing, but is direct contrast with everything that Western civilization stands for when it comes to the rights of women.

These are referenced from an article published from the American Thinker in 2005. Each one goes into much greater detail if you are interested in reading more on each verse. The article is here: Top 10 rules in the Quran that oppress women

10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.

The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.

The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.

The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:

The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.

The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.

The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:

And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:

And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)

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  • informed non-muslim
    This is truly funny... Maybe you should include the parts of the verses you have chosen to omit purposely through your ellipses, and interpret things rationally rather than with the loaded intentions you had to find them... Maybe then you will get the full picture of what it is trying to say and not what you want it to say...
  • whyyouhatingoffislam
    ... WHAT THE HELL! You are taking these words and twisting them your own way! WHY DONT ANY OF YOU TALK TO A MUSLIM WOMAN!?!?! They aparantly see past this!
  • hellosnackbar
    Straight from the orifice of the Quranus old chap.
    Funny how you can recognise shit when you see it?
    It points to the fact that Muslims don't read their own terrorist manual.
  • JEWHAWK
    "WHY DONT ANY OF YOU TALK TO A MUSLIM WOMAN!?!?! "

    I will kindly accept your wise advice and ask the honorable JIHAD JANE about her experience with Islam.
    Maybe I could learn a thing or two...
  • IgnoranceIsADisease
    The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “The most perfect of the believers in faith is he who is the best of them in conduct, and the best of you in conduct are those who are best to their wives.” [Tirmidhi]
  • funkybarfly
    "IgnoranceIsADisease"
    I take it you are self diagnosed?
  • IgnoranceIsADisease
    Seriously? Can't you be civil? What're you.. 4?

    I didn't come here to insult anyone. Shows how low you are.
  • hellosnackbar
    If you choose a pseudonym like"ignorance is a disease"then you must expect to be ragged for it.
    For myself, since the death cult you call a religion is a mental pathology;then perhaps you are subliminally aware of that fact.
    May Allah remain constipated!
  • desibulz
    their aint any women pope or preacher in a churuch but a nun or in judaism ..!! in christinity judaism and other religion women are more then one degree below..!! yeh but these stupid people just talk about islam cos their media and govt. talk about it.. its just an era to against islam and nothing.. the punishment of homosexuality or adultery is same in christinity and judaism which is 'STONE TO DEATH' do sum research.
    WOMEN IN JUDAISM:
    1. A woman accused of adultery is to be stoned.
    2. Ten measures of speech descended to the world; women took nine.
    3.Women are light on raw knowledge — i.e. they possess more intuition.
    4.A man must be careful never to speak slightingly to his wife because women are prone to tears and sensitive to wrong.
    and many more like above.. do some research
    WOMEN IN CHRISTIANITY
    1.Man was created with "headship" over the woman by being created first.
    2.Female exclusion from leadership over men is also justified due to her deception by the devil, which resulted in The Fall, for which Adam is also, or primarily, culpable.
    3.Both Old and New Testaments set a pattern of male leadership; for instance the priestly and kingly offices of the Old Testament were restricted to males; the Apostles of Jesus were all male; and Paul's instructions regarding church eldership in the epistles 1 Timothy anourd Titus appear to restrict this position to men.
    do some more research..!!
    Now i would like to say to that person who basically created this website: i dnt know what u religion is but you should 1st research your own religion (christianity or judaism) then talk about islam or you just gna do it mess and nothing .
  • IgnoranceIsADisease
    Assalamu Alaikum

    I'm a Muslim woman and I can assure you Islam (of all things) does not oppress us.

    No. 4 - Yes, a muslim man is allowed to be polygamous. Would you rather have a husband who cheats on you and have multiple affairs behind your back or would you rather be an equal wife in his eyes amongst 3 others.

    Women aren't allowed to be polyandrous because the womb of the woman is that which safeguards the fetus and she can't just have sex with like 4 husbands and at the end of 9 months, she can't just say "Oh my bad.. but I don't know who the father is." A child has the right to know his/her father. I know what you're gonna say.. "but DNA testing can prove whose child it is." Yeah that's true but did you know that there are multiple cases with a woman getting pregnant once and then again 2 months later while already pregnant with the first! Did you know that two sperms can fertilize one egg and non-identical twins with similar genetics can form!

    No.3 Husbands do not just "simply" get rid of "undesirable wives"
    It just says that for a human being it is simply impossible to be just and equal to all 4 of his wives who have different thoughts, desires, wants, needs, etc. But he is required to try his best.

    For your information, Divorce is disgusting in the eyes of Allah. It has acquired the lowest form of permissibility. And every time a man and a woman gets divorced.. Allah's throne is known to shake. (Hadeeth)

    No.2 A Muslim man is in NO way allowed to hit his wife.
    The verse that you mentioned says.. "chastise them".. not hit them. -_-
    The Prophet Muhammad (saw) said that the lightest touch of a handkerchief or a small touch of the meswaf (miniature twig) is as close to beating a woman as you can get in Islam. and i don't think Handkerchief's can kill me. :)

    But.. in Christianity.. wife-beating seems to be the new "trend".. check out this guy's site..
    http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
    "This misogynistic bias in Christianity’s basic texts has long been translated into misogyny in practice. Throughout almost the entire time that Christianity had Europe and America in its lock grip, women were treated as chattel—they had essentially no political rights, and their right to own property was severely restricted. Perhaps the clearest illustration of the status of women in the ages when Christianity was at its most powerful is the prevalence of wife beating. This degrading, disgusting practice was very common throughout Christendom well up into the 19th century, and under English Common Law husbands who beat their wives were specifically exempted from prosecution. (While wife beating is still common in Christian lands, at least in some countries abusers are at least sometimes prosecuted.)"

    No.1 Mature men are not allowed to marry PREPUBESCENT girls.

    You are only eligible for marriage once you hit puberty and a mature age. Muslim woman have the RIGHT to chose whom they marry. They CANNOT be forced. I just got married just yesterday (:D) and my husband is 19 and I'm 17. Yeah, it's legal.

    A friend of mine is 16. Her parents found her a 32 year old man to marry. She is as happy with him as can ever be. An age difference of 10 years is suggested because of maturity level differences and difference of opinion. It's JUST recommended, not forced.

    As for numbers 5, 6 7 and 8.. what Allah has decreed none can question and it is he who knows best. Some don't understand and maybe it is not our place to understand but His.

    Stop reading this Maududi bullshit and pick up the HOLY QURAN. It's like me reading Twilight and then telling you that chrisitians are vampires and jews are werewolves and buddhists can fly.

    In Islam women are given a GREAT amount of rights, respect and equality. Read this:
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/19699368/Western-Wome...

    And you may think that I've been brainwashed by where I live or something, I'm not. Girls walk by me every day in miniskirts and low top shirts and I myself used to be an atheist. I lived in riverside, california. Right in the ghetto. I listened to alternative rock and I have 8 piercings.
    Then I changed. I know better now. I hate who I used to be. Islam and Allah saved me.

    So my friend, I am definitely not oppressed.
    But sadly, it is YOU who is oppressed (regardless of gender). =)
  • Beejj
    24 hours after your wedding you are blogging on the net? Interesting .......
  • Christine_S
    Fair and equal, Beejj. Maybe she has time to entertain herself online while her husband is busy "entertaining" his other wives...or maybe he is sleeping a lot...poor thing must be exhausted.
  • IgnoranceIsADisease
    He doesn't have other wives.. I (and other muslim women) have the right to decide if he can get 'em and I said no. And to Beejj.. I can blog whenever I want, thank you very much.
  • Tonto
    I'm glad you've changed your life, and glad you're happy with it, but you must know that many people don't agree with your concept and choice of religion. I can't get past the bloody murder, burning and violence demonstrated by islamics in so many venues. I'm sorry that you can't see it, but perhaps in grapsing at straws, you got a hold of the only convenient one for yourself. Bless your heart. I hope, for you, it doesn't crumble and hurt you again.
  • IgnoranceIsADisease
    Thank you for not being mean or rude or disrespectful. I honestly need to clear this thing out. Islam is a religion of peace. BUT you are right. Many of them are violent. NOT ALL. It's the extremists that are bad. The normal everyday ones.. we're pretty alright. Please don't generalize. I hate violence. The shit that happens in Iraq and wherever.. it's because they're corrupt. I mean, I'm just a simple muslim girl. But cuz of their violence.. I'm the one who gets discriminated against. It's not right.
  • Tonto
    Other people only know you are muzlem because you make it a POINT to let them know. Personally, I just don't care what religion a person is....that's their business and God's....not mine. Muz are pushy and demanding without reason. Many deserve a bitch slapping for being the rude, and I've accommodated a few. I just don't like people like that. That you have, evidently found some good ones makes you lucky, not smart, in my book. I've delved into islam for a couple years now, read the koran and observed plenty of muz around Detroit. I find them decietful, lying sacks of shit and they insult my intellegence with their childish ploys that I'm not supposed to get. It's even better if you know some arabic and don't let them know that you do. Then you really get an understanding about what shits they are. You like 'em? You're happy? Fine. You keep them. As far as I'm concerned, they get to stay in my counrty as long as they create no problems. The minute they do....they gotta go, and any "converts can take their asses with them.
  • "Yes, a muslim man is allowed to be polygamous. Would you rather have a
    husband who cheats on you and have multiple affairs behind your back or
    would you rather be an equal wife in his eyes amongst 3 others."


    Wow...are you serious?
  • IgnoranceIsADisease
    Yup.. but you left out the part where the 1st wife can pick if her husband gets to be polygamous or not. I chose not and I'm happy. Technically.. I have more rights.
  • Christine_S
    Who gives Muslim women that right? Is it written in the Quran or Hadith?? According to the Quran, Allah gave men the right to marry up to four wives, right? Where does it say that the first wife's permission is required? A mere Muslim woman can forbid what Allah has granted?
  • funkybarfly
    Technically,Islam is a mental disorder.The first wife gets to choose,eh.A bit of bad luck for the second or third wife then.
  • Tonto
    Dude, this woman is seriously jacked up.
  • IgnoranceIsADisease
    Mormons are polygamous. They're jacked up. Christians eat crackers thinking it's Jesus. Fucking Canibals. That's what's jacked up. A muslim man doesn't HAVE to be polygamous. You people are too simple minded.
  • we will win
    oh by the way animals, the Quran is the final testament of God - because the animals corrupted their torah - shame Hitler didnt murder a few more animals, opps i forgot the zionist employed Hitler, so the British would feel sorry for the animals and allow them back into Isreal - there so called homeland, u were tramps remember, wondering in the desert for hundreds of years.. oh yeah forgot your so called holocaust was all made up anyway, typical of a lying, deceitful animal - but hold on wasn't there antisemitism within the so called jewish sects, bloody idiots. ur own kind had u animals persecuted wake up fools, i actually feel sorry for the 'real benai isreal' who have been brainwased by white zionists into believing that its ok to murder, rape, and disable people for a just and true cause, the coming of their one eyed satantic beast, i spit on your tulmud, i spit on land, and i spit on your messiah. how could you murder Jesus? How could you do this, shame on you, you disgust me and you really think God is going to forgive you for this? Fucking ediots.
  • SirWilhelm
    You got lost in the first place, by believing the "Quran is the final testament of God". What was his first testament? Where was he when the Sumerians wrote how their civilization, the first, was started by "gods" who taught them all the basics of it? Where was Allah when Jehovah led the "tramps wondering in the desert"? If you believe they did wander there, do you believe they were led by a pillar of fire and smoke? If your "religion" is one of "peace and love", how did you wind up so full of hate and malice? You spit on the messiah, and then condemn his murderers, kind of contradictory there, aren't you? And why blame the Jews today for something a few of their ancestors did thousands of years ago? Did you know what your ancestors were doing back then? Do you know that the odds are that they were robbing camel caravans for a living was high? You're the "Fucking ediot", you can't even spell, idiot.
  • Tonto
    Got a lot of hate and hurt ain't ya twit? Maybe you should get some therapy for that. Go to Kandahar where the US Marines will fix you up with a "Say Hi to allah pill" in .223 caliber. That will cure all that stuff for you.
  • muslima363
    ok, first of all, if anybody hates as much as you do, you can not possibly be muslim.

    what you just said shames muslims who respect christians and jews. so plz stop.

    doesn't it say in the quran "we have put you in nations and tribes to know one another, befriend one another, and respect one another"

    did it ever occur to you that hatred is unislamic?

    do not insult muslim haters. you are bringing yourself down to their level.

    plz stop.

    --fellow muslim
  • we will win
    i can't wait until you motherfucking yankies start to starve, you zionist satantic devil worshippers are going to face the next 10 years of hell - as for you animals, i can't even say Jews, coz guess what, Jews had no fucking homeland because they were fucking evil from the start, the land was conditional - anyway how comes jews are white skinned, shoudn't you be brown, a fucking jew always deceiving people, like a thief in the night (converts, you bunch of liars, breaking every international law known to man). they read the talmud, and speak of God, when they are murderers, racists, zionists and devils. people are starving yet those yankies are as fat as their mothers whorish cunts twice over. Are men and and women born equal? Men are the protectors of women, but in the west those little whores your women want to be like men don't they, you know when a man wants a quick shag, he always looks for a white whore - typical - no morals, ready to give their dirty unclean pussys that i've heard stink like a disbeliver who aint washed his arse after shitting. how has the west given freedom? enslaving us with debt? Fed reserve is a fucking lie. putting women in brothels, saying its safe. you know what i absolutely cant wait for you motherfuckers to suffer, suffer like dogs coz you know what you disbelivers, when your in hell your gona wish your Creater gave you one last chance. Muslims will win, know this, so stop trying dirty animals, wash your arses after you shit, that might be a start, you dirty pigs. also, keep on killing muslims keep on doing it, coz everytime your little pussy boys die in the middle east know that fighting them was a child with a rock or a stone, whilst they hide behind weapons of mass destruction, just like the cowardly isrealis - you know what the time is near of your messiah coming isreal - good luck - coz guess what you hate us and you know what to us you are nothing coz we fear no unjust racist animals but our God, the God of all of mankind, how astray are you. Go on educate urselves you animals: John Pilger: Freedom Next Time. i cant wait for those yankies to starve, what u gona do then, eat pussy? beg you bastards, beg like the Africans, remember what you did to them, same things gona happen to you.
  • Tonto
    Dang! What kind of shit are you smoking Dude?? That must be some really killer weed/crack/meth/whatthefuck ever! If that wasn't "Delusions of Grandeur" on an EPIC scale, I ain't never seen it. What America are you talking about? The one your imammy been talking about ain't no reality I'm familiar with. The one you describe came right out of your nargile or bong or something. Tell ya what, you go on ahead and watch your lame ass stupidity called islam fall down around your ears and come whine about it. You backwards fucks and all that chest pounding don't make no big-ass impression on me. I just think you're a flaming asshole. Can't win a shooting war at odds of 10 to 1 can ya dickless? Go home and beat hell out of your wife, or blow yourself up in frustration or something. Do it at the local mosque and at least do something constructive.... What a twit! Another swaggering arm-chair Rambo....laughable if it wasn't so pitiful.
  • lovenothate
    Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers.
    Tafsir al-Jalalayn
    Your women are a tillage for you, that is, the place where you sow [the seeds of] your children; so come to your tillage, that is, the specified place, the front part, as, in whichever way, you wish, whether standing up, sitting down, lying down, from the front or the back: this was revealed in response to the Jews saying that if a person had vaginal intercourse with his wife from behind, the child would be born cross-eyed; and offer for your souls, righteous deeds, such as saying, ‘In the Name of God’ (bismillāh) when you commence intercourse; and fear God, in what He commands and prohibits; and know that you shall meet Him, at the Resurrection, where He will requite you according to your deeds; and give good tidings, of Paradise, to the believers, who feared Him.
  • SirWilhelm
    Does saying "bismallah" take the place of foreplay for you? Do you even know what that is? Is there any difference between what you're saying and the Christian missionaries teaching the "savages" their preferred position as the only "approved" one? I'm glad I don't live in fear of Allah, it must suck living your life in fear, wondering if you've done enough "good deeds" to get into Paradise.
  • Beejj
    Thank you, thank you, "lovenothate" - you, too, "passingthrough". A day without laughter is a dark thing, and this was threatening to be one until you two stalwarts came to the rescue. Damn, so effective are you that I have to suck lemons to erase my smile. And thank you for making clearer than ever the Muslim view of wives: "a place of sowing of seed for you .......... however you wish ........." Um .... is the little lady allowed a preference?

    I love the bit about the front part (tell that to the Afghans; they'll give you a funny look) and, best of all, that if rogering in the horseguards style is performed, cross-eyed will be the fruit of the union. Come to think of it, I have never seen a truly cross-eyed person, which just goes to show how conservative everyone is when it comes to the manliest sport of all. Might the admonition be a wee bit wide of the mark? Of course not! These religious wallahs are not to be disputed. Are they?

    Next time I buckle to I must remember to say, "In the name of God" or "Bismallah". I've never tried that before. Does it bring an intensification of pleasure? Is it mentioned in the Kama Sutra? Is there something I can utter at the moment of you-know-what? The closest I have yet come to religious observance at such a delicate time is, "Oh, God" or "Jesus!" or words to that effect, but perhaps you can suggest how I might improve upon this. Damn, you Muslims know a thing or two, don't you?
  • hellosnackbar
    So! doggy style produces cross eyed kids?that's a piece of Muslim science that seems to have has been ignored by reproductive biologists.
    That with sperm production in the spine would suggest that we kufr are totally in the dark.
    My theses is that since sexual congress(especially with minors)is the one pleasure permitted to the benighted minions of Islam;then they claim superior expertise in this area.
    Their reproductive produce; they probably think endorses this view of supremacy.
    Off topic:Beej have a look at Zomgitscriss on youtube.
    She's a feisty Romanion with a disdane for creationists;her latest on "the big bang"is a superb distillation of Simon Singh's book of the same name.
    I wonder if LeMaitre will be canonised?
  • JEWHAWK
    " So! doggy style produces cross eyed kids? "

    HAHAHAHAH !!!

    Perhaps a 12 year-old boy would believe that.
    An ADULT ?

    Depend what species.
  • muslima363
    Hey, JEWHAWK.

    Muslima363 (aka muslimpower<3) here.

    i have three things to say to you.

    1.) you have no idea what a muslim woman's life is, i do, so you are not capable of making a judgement. so dont even waste your time lying, k?

    2.) yeah, jews made Levi Strauss jeans. and they are awesome. but what are you doing as a Jew to contribute to our society? sitting around spreading hatred about islam, that's what.

    3.) i believe you said that a curtain is not fashionable. it's not. a pretty burka or abaya is but i do not wear those. i wear western clothes such as summer dresses with skinny jeans and a long-sleeves jacket.

    that's all for now.
  • JEWHAWK
    I don't spread hatred per se, muslima363. They are facts. I wish you no harm whatsoever. Be happy and remember to do whatever you want, but to become another JIHAD JANE.
  • natasha marley
    lol have you read the bible? Im asian and i'm not muslim, but really the bible says basically the same thing....
  • Beejj
    Read the New Testament, dearie.
  • uh..no. You're an idiot.
  • checkthisoutfirst
  • XXX
    WOOOOOOOOOOW well i jus read sum of your responses that you gave to my Muslim sisters and brothers, who have tried sooo hard (WITH PROOF) to enlighten you, but you know what i jus realised you don't need that, all you really need in your sad little corrupt life is a bit of common sense or you will never understand why we are trying to help you n DO NOT plzzz DO NOT ask "what help" or any question coz with your corrupt mentality n da way you approach thingz is getting you nowhere!!!!

    Soooooo dudes are you gonna stop hating or do you love us too much to let go of us HAHAHAHA
  • XXX
    Please do not teach people something you do not believe in or even want to know about!!! ....
    From what i have learnt is dat your ignorant and that a muslim woman like me does NOT EVER feel
    appressed, but loved by God because everything that is written in the Holy Quran is for our own good.
    Women like me have respect for ourselfs and for others who do not believe in our Religion.

    But thank you very much for spending sooooooo much of your time to make a persons Religion even stronger, as only the ones who learn n listen n stop talking will learn what is right n what is wrong. So please don't Hate on something that is better and more beautiful than in what you believe in n ohhhh dnt be jealous n stop caring about us if you don't like us n live ur life ;) ayyyyt
  • hellosnackbar
    Oh dear XXX so you don't want us to laugh at Islam ;well sorry about that but making fun of Islam and the deluded
    dimwits who support it is what we do here.
    Come on enjoy the joke of Allah the angry and his inventor Mo the mad!
    It's something to frighten the children with;(just as in any scary fairy story).
    You don't have to believe in fallacious fantasy to enjoy mocking it.
  • XXX
    Well its my pleasure init go on ; ) i aint your motha, so dnt ask for my opinion if you dnt care about it ; ) ayyyt
    n you know what i aint dat low to diss you n you know what im actually laughing, well da difference is im laughing AT people like YOU who are toooo ignorant to see anything anymore

    n plzzz dnt call me "Dear" it offended me da most HAHAHAHA
  • Please stop the abbreviated speak. if you can't type proper english, I'll
    ban you.
  • XXX
    Awwwwww now now now u c dis aint skool ;) n at least i can understand you n WOW u will ban me coz you have not met someone quite like me who can diss you widout any quotes LOL n plz dnt ask for quotes its pointless if you dnt know the basics ; )
  • Hey dummy, I'm not asking for quotes. I'm asking you to TYPE PROPERLY. Are
    you an e-thug or something? do you know how to spell "please" or "don't" or
    "because"? Get that crap off of here, I don't care what ideas and thoughts
    you have. Communicate properly or get out. Last warning.
  • XXX
    Well if you would like to know I am an English Literature Student, who is just very tired of writing essays and is sorry to offend you for not writing how you want me to.

    I guess this is how you guys control people .... 'threatning' them, well I'm just a girl please don't hurt me n yes of course i can spell and i can write what you write, but I don't think you deserve it .... Hope you are having fun terrorising us
  • Uh sorry, We don't "control" people. There are rules. Feel free to go
    somewhere else and speak e-thug, but not here. We actually ADVOCATE free
    speech unlike your Islamist brethren. I don't have many rules, and you can
    see that by reading the comments on this site. I let almost everything
    stand. But when idiots come on here and start rambling incoherently with
    their e-gangster speak, I draw the line.

    You'll actually find a bunch of intellectuals here and if you write
    intelligently, whether people agree with you or not, they will dialogue with
    you and respect you if can bring forth sound arguments. I guess we'll see
    if you're up to the task.
  • Beejj
    Evidently, you are in the very early stages of your study of English Literature. While you are about it, dip your toes into the refreshing waters of English Grammar for your improvement.
  • XXX
    You see your not God so stop trying to be, by trying to tell me how long I have studied English Literature and by the way your not insulting me but my teacher and it isn't nice now is it?
    You people are very jealous :( and no thank you I would rather pass the refreshing bit ; )
  • hellosnackbar
    A student of English Literature??as Beej has sagely commented your grammar application would have got you a detention in my day.
    And as you say that reflects on your teacher(don't rely on some bearded third rater at the local mosque).
    Oh I'm sorry perhaps you're not allowed contact with men.
    And my use of the word dear was an alternative to a sigh(a euphemism) of pity.
    But here's a question;how are you ever going to be able to evaluate and appreciate our great language when your mind is filled with the mores and crochets of your phony faith?
    I would suggest dumping it; to clear away the poison of the fallacy which it imbues.
    But first for f***'s sake; get your head round basic grammar!
    And if you wish to have a good squawk at our insensitive infidel opinions then go ahead; but not in sarf Landan
    text speak.(or its Paki equivalent)
  • Beejj
    The sooner you procure an English grammar primer, the better, XXX. Consider, for example, your inability to distinguish between "your" and "you're", and read your first sentence - woeful, isn't it? We are jealous? Jealous of what? Your grammatical prowess, or your being infected with Islam?
  • JEWHAWK
    " your inability to distinguish between "your" and "you're" "

    Beejj, Solkhar used to make the SAME mistake... would that be a mere coincidence ?
  • Beejj
    I generally make no comment about these matters, but when the perpetrator of such calamitous grammar claims to be a student of English Literature, action is necessary in case someone might be tempted to believe her.
  • JEWHAWK
    I don't care for her grammar mistakes. I just wanted to point out the "coincidence" about her repeating the very SAME mistake Solkhar did make. Maybe she is a "he"...
  • hellosnackbar
    It would appear that XXX(rated)is in need of some guidance JH.
    And I think you're just the chap to give it.
    She should plead for you to mentor her on both use of English and how to view Islam!
  • Tonto
    I see the same mistakes with weather, whether, than, then, two, to and too also, but I cut some slack for foreign speakers working on a second language. Even native English speakers mess it up sometimes! What really gets me is the whacked out sentence construction that makes it totally indecipherable.
  • XXX
    Im so sorry but you make me laugh :D and im sorry i admit im not as good as you and won't try to be, if that makes you happy ; ) Beej and the other guy, Im sorry but your really sensetive about things for the wrong reasons, how can you let swearing happen and not "e-thug" and your friends used it too and you didn't even tell them off :( so not fair

    And look "Mr.Sorry" guy i don't hate you because your just ignorant and want me to waste my time telling you what my Muslim brothers and sisters said already, so stop wanting to argue with me and them, because WE ARE NOT ARGUING we are HELPING you guys to understand that what your saying is not right (get it)!!!!!

    And please stop being so spoon fed and do your own research ; ) because i know you don't want to hear mine!!!
  • XXX
    and by the way you yourself have used 'uhhh' can i do that too PLEASE :D
  • Beejj
    Trenchant stuff, Infected One. Excuse me while I skulk off to lick my wounds after the lashing you gave me. Perhaps your most appealing quality is your sense of humour: witness your outrageous assertion that followers of The Beast are HELPING the rest of us. Still, I have learned something ...... Jihad means to help. Seen any good stonings recently?
  • XXX
    Don't tell me you don't know what Jihad is :O man you guys are the wrong people for this website but nice set up and good arguements but very crap questions so yes please both of you go and do some research to help you undesrtand what we REALLY belive and im sorry Beej but i think you all are blind from the start because you have so much research shown to you ... and what you trying to say "Mr.youcantwrite"e-thig"onlyican" ?

    and can you tell me what your goal is with this website???
  • Tonto
    Jihad changes meanings daily doesn't it? It seems like this or that muz scumbag have their own interpretation and it has gotten a bit confusing....so quick and dirty translation would be...any and all acts of violence against non-muz or muz not considered muz enough by the attacking muz is "jihad". That clear it up any for ya????
  • Beejj
    My goal on this website? To expose Islam for its rottenness.
  • muslima363
    oh HA HA. how is that working out for you?

    considering that there is nothing rotten about islam?

    mmhmm...i can totally see that working out for ya Beejj. considering that you're doing such a good job exposing islamic rotteness to us muslims.

    tell me Beejj, have you ever opened a Quran for yourself?
  • Beejj
    In fact, I have delved into it, but soon tired of its rambling guff. But then, I have to read English translations, and as any good Muslim will tell you, they are mistranslations.

    Seen any magical horses recently?

    Looking forward to your ninth birthday, are you? Buy plenty of vaseline.
  • Tonto
    Beejj, Thank you. Your answers to this twit have me laughing ou loud. Very refreshing.
  • And please stop being so spoon fed and do your own research

    Ironic statement of the day coming from an Islamist.
  • muslima363
    can i point out that in Christianity, priests preach about the Bible. do you take the Bible out for yourself and interpret it yourself? i think not.

    On the other hand, Muslims are required to read the Quran for themselves their entire lives. So a huge majority of muslims, especially the youth, read the Quran for ourselves, because everyone has different interpretations.
  • Tonto
    Priests, Preachers and Ministers can do all the talking they want, but most Christians DO read their Bibles and interpret it themselves. I've even had some arguments with preachers over relevance and meaning. The big problem with islam is that #1. in many of the 57 countries where islam is taught, it's simply by rote memorizing in a non-native language, so adherents are forced to abide by some imam's take on anything islamic....there are no translations in many countries. And #2, there has been a gradual erosion of the self-interpretation mindset. Lots of it has to do with people really don't care to through laziness or lack of interest, resulting with some real whacked out things coming out of a religion that is actually anti-human and freedom in the first place.
  • Selma
    And please remember that Allah gave women the right and the ability to give birth to precious life, not men. How is this demeaning and degrading? I understand this as EMPOWERING!
  • JEWHAWK
    Of course is empowering, as long women could vote, be elected, choose any profession available,
    wear any kind of clothing she desires, marry whoever she wants, divorce as she see fit,
    drive her car by herself, walk alone on the streets, etc, etc.

    JEWFOX NEWS: FAIR & BALANCED

    This observation / criticism is also valid for Jewish women, including the Orthodox that actually
    CAN'T do many of those things I wrote above.

    I'm a huge advocate for women's rights. ALL of them.
  • IgnoranceIsADisease
    But I CAN do all those things that I want. And white women can't be elected either. Is Hilary Clinton the presidet of the US? um.. NO!

    I can vote.. when I'm 18. The prime minister of my country is a woman and has been for the past 10 years. I can wear whatever the hell I want. But I CHOSE to wear what I see fit. I DID marry whoever I wanted. If he pisses me off (which he won't) I'll divorce as I see fit, and I do walk home alone.. in the dark and nothing happens.
    Know your shit first before you type this shit.
  • JEWHAWK
    She had a great chance to be nominated to run for president. It's hardly the last time a woman will get that chance. It's good to know that you are being well-treated. I wish you no harm whatsoever.
  • IgnoranceIsADisease
    PS. I can drive if I want. and I can choose any profession that I want. Nobody, especially no man.. not my father, not my husband can control what I can do.
  • IgnoranceIsADisease
    *president... my bad
  • Tonto
    I have several cows that do the same thing....and we make hamburgers out of them too!
  • Selma
    would you like to make a hamburger out of me?

    && btw--you slaughter the males first, don't you?
  • Tonto
    Try, really try, to act LESS stupid then you actually are. That was the dumbest response I ever saw in here.
  • Selma
    No. I'm pretty positive your response was far less intelligent than mine. You see this is a matter of women's rights, not hamburgers or cows. Therefore, you posting that comment in the first place was irrelevant. My response wasn't serious, it was more so satirical. I'm so sorry you didn't understand me correctly, and I think it's humorous that you call me dumb..I've never heard that before.
  • Christine_S
    "I think it's humorous that you call me dumb..I've never heard that before."

    According to your beloved "prophet", all women are "deficient of intelligence"; a view that is shared by many Muslim clerics (these geniuses even have "scientific proof" to validate their claim). Mohammed said that this is one reason why women make up "the majority of the dwellers of Hell", and their "testimony is worth half that of a man". Do you think that is also funny? It is beyond comprehension that any woman could defend Islam.
  • muslima363
    Many women will be in Hell because women by nature gossip a lot. Their testimony is worth half a man's because they, like i just mentioned, gossip a lot.

    Don't deny it. It's part of woman's nature. Men and women have different behavior characteristics.

    When women fight, it is hardly ever physical. men tend to have physical fights.

    men and women are different in their nature so that's why in some cases, such as the whole testimony issue, is different for both sexes.
  • Beejj
    Women gossip more than men? Since when? Should you ever enter the teaching profession you will discover otherwise, alas Ah, the teaching profession! An American whose name I do not know said of it "Nowhere will you find dirtier politics ..... and for so little gain."

    It saddens me that you hold such views, however. You demean women. But then, you have been trained to do so, haven't you?
  • Selma
    Are you Christian? If so, he's your "prophet" as well, and so I guess you're just as "deficient of intelligence".

    Maybe it's beyond your comprehension that any women could defend Islam, but it is not beyond mine.
  • Christine_S
    Please do not tell me that Mohammed is talked about in the Bible unless you are referring to the warnings pertaining to false prophets.

    I have enough intelligence to understand that Islam is pure evil. Women who claim they willingly follow Islam are brainwashed fools. You okay with Mohammed's views on women, then??
  • Tonto
    See....stupid! Where do you get the insane idea that your false prophet (that never actually prophesied ANYTHING) was a Christian prophet too? Tell me how that is possible. You may believe that crap, but the stark reality is quite different. Your mohammad is considered nothing more than a glorified bandit and reaver that wrote a really shitty book.
  • hellosnackbar
    Now why would I want some smelly, illiterate, old fleabag as my Prophet?
    I disown him !do you hear!
    May Allah (the imaginary) be displeased with me!
    Now if he were to tell me the winners on tomorrow's Plumpton card;I might just sit up and pay attention.
  • Selma
    @hellosnackbar - Allah is just the Arabic word for God just as Yahweh is the term used by the Jewish, so if Allah is imaginary...God is too.

    If you read about religion more you would understand. Jesus was sent to save the Israelites, Muhammad was sent to save humanity.

    I love all three religions, because of my love for God!! I have a strong relationship with Him, and it's because Islam has enabled me to do so. I have found a website just as this one proving an opposing point. I don't want it to seem as though I am bashing Christianity, because that is not my intention. However, I felt it was just as interesting to read as this one.

    An interesting statistic I would like to point out that I got from the site: 100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam.

    I hope you read this and give it time, just as you have this site. http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/women_wh...

    I am and will pray for you all.
  • Beejj
    Selma, allow me to suggest that you go to You Tube and type in Dawkins - The Arrogant Certainty of Science (an idiotic title as ever was, but never mind). Consider what the man says.
  • Tonto
    So who gives a shit Selma? I don't care if you worship a french fry. What I'm saying is you can keep all that crap to yourself, it means nothing to me. The big difference is that you allow that bunk to run your whole life....I refuse to. To have clowns like you come along and say we all should do that crap is insulting and offensive to me and the entire west. We think it's stupid, time consuming of time better spent on something productive, and muz can't stand that. The west refutes islam in everything it does....and it's just as habitual with us as you idiots banging your head on the floor 5 times a day.....and I think that's crazy as hell too. I think that to love God for this glorious world He has given us, to show our appreciation to God by worship and prayer is a good thing....and enjoying this life is very important too. But I will do it MY way, not according to some ignorant raghead mullah who couldn't find his fanny with both hands unless he was smelling his fingers. If you ever read your shitty book, it says that every man is his own preacher.....but islam is now run according to mullahs who scream about hate and war. Well screw that. Muz don't amount to a hill of mouse poop, and islam is a sham. You keep that crap if you want to but I don't want it. The problem is islam is violent and pushes islam with violence....well hey, everybody can play that game. The west just doesn't want to wipe islam off the planet like Hitler tried to erase the Jews. The west WILL cause islam to dial back the hate....one way or another. Bet on that. That oil won't last forever and then we have no use for muz. Remember what the Serbs did? They ran out of patience with the muz too.
  • Selma
    The oil will run out, and then what will the west do? Don't mistake this war as one on Islam, or one of Islam against the west.

    Secondly, you seem to be so ill-informed. Islam is the complete opposite of violent, just as any religion should be. Faith is submission to God, submission is rarely violent. If you allow small snippets of readings and others blogs of their opinions to form your opinion, then I can see why you would be led to believe it is a violent religion. But your opinion would only be biased, and holds no weight in my regards. I encourage you to read more into peace in Islam, because your facts seem to be wrong.

    Secondly, the KKK is a Christian based society. They've killed, hanged, burned, and even bombed. They are terrorists. But they are not the basis of my opinion of Christianity.You write as though every terrorist is a Muslim, which history can recall this to be untrue. Of course I remember the Serbs, and they were terrorists for what they did.

    These terrorists are not Christian or Muslim or Jewish, their religion is extremism. They will burn in hell, just as the Quran states.

    I agree that prayer and worship is of choice, no matter the religion. I also believe that it is better to have a stronger relationship with God rather than a religion to identify with. God serves us in such unique ways that we would be naive to believe that we should all only serve him in one uniformed way. You think it's silly to pray five times a day; I think it's silly to go to church every Sunday and text, or go there for social purposes. ---The west was founded upon Christian values (which are so close in similarity with the rest of the monotheistic faiths), but we have had so many revolutions that our lifestyles have swayed so much from those original foundations. The countries you refer to are much more traditional in their organization that it's such a hard comparison to make.

    I was under the impression that you did care about what/who I worshiped, otherwise we would not be having this discussion. Either way, it did not and does not matter to me. You only blindly judge.

    There is only one God, and we are His children. The believers, the Jews, the Christians, the Muslims..we are all of one God.

    You may run out of patience along with the people you have referred to, but I will not. I will continue to pray for you every night.

    Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors. [2:190]
  • Tonto
    Selma, you really are dumber than a rock aren't you. Islam, against violence....laughable bullshit. There 138 mentions in your coran that advise the correct islamic use of violence, and any wahabi will tell you, as did ayatollah koemeni, that violence is the mainstay of islamic belief. You don't know snot about the KKK either and why it was founded, how it was usurped by idiots and has since declined to almost nothing....so stick that. If you really examine the coran, you'll also see that the biggest part of the lie behind islam is that they "SAY" that the allah of islam is the same as the Christian and Jewish God, but it ain't so. Either you are a really piss poor muslim or you're a pretty recent convert that lives in the US. You really need to take your dumb ass to some muz shithole and learn a lesson in muzdom.....they suck.
  • Beejj
    True, the oil will run out, but the question is "what will the Muslims then do?" It will no longer be necessary to pander to them and to pretend we have respect for their religion. You'll have passed the use-by date. Meanwhile, the scientists of the West will strive to perfect solar power, so with a bit of luck you'll become obsolete even before your wells run dry. No longer will America pour billions of dollars into your countries to keep you all above the breadline. You'll stand naked and useless. Happy thought. Meanwhile, keep praying for us.
  • Tonto
    Selma you're full of shit up to your eyebrows. Don't even try to run that bullshit about "the gentle muz " around here...we all know it's a crock of crap. You insult me by even addressing me.
  • C Twon
    lol you some of these arent even accurate or taken out of context. you forgot to mention the quotes where they say women are above men, anyone disrespecting them will be in hell fire.
  • slaveofallah
    Hey who ever wrote this KNOWS NOTHING. A women can divorce her husband!! a wife will get all the inheritance of her husband, father(providing her mothers not alive) brother(providing he didnt have a wife) so seriously u evidently know nothing about my beautiful religion and iam a muslim women so i should know who iam treated. so get ur facts right!!!!!!
  • Selma
    You say: "The oppression of women that Islam advocates is not only disturbing, but is direct contrast with everything that Western civilization stands for when it comes to the rights of women", but please keep in mind that ten quotes from the Holy Qur'an do not justify your statement.

    "Western Civilization" isn't all it's cracked up to be. Forget the names and the titles, remember the actions. If you are willing to pass judgement on something foreign to you, then be just as willing to pass the same judgement on something that is native to you! Respect is given to me in Islam, but in this "Western Civilization" I must fight for it.

    In fact, I believe that you would have to read all of the Qur'an to understand it's meaning fully, just as you would with the Bible or the Torah. The Holy Qur'an holds that women and men have different roles in society..which was true. Remember, this was not written during the time of "Western Civilization"..where women were expected to hold corporate jobs just as men. Where it's common to divorce and even more common to cheat.

    It was written in more simple times..when men were expected to take care of their mothers, wives, and daughters. To never cheat. To care for their former wives even after a divorce. Islam does not demean women, it empowers them. Please remember that the way Islamic women live, especially in modern times, is a choice. We choose to live the way we do.

    Therefore, I ask that you please not judge blindly.
  • Aaliyah
    I am a muslim and a women how dare you , you think gathering a few quotes means you know about islam about the quran, you disgust me! how about the mother having heaven beneath her feet, how about how the mother recives more love than the farther becuase she is respeced so much, in our religion women and girls are encouraged to cover to protect us from flilth like you, at least we are not low self esteen littlel girls who feel we have to dress skimpy and like tramps to make ourselfs feel attrached, you minipulating man , pathetic you think dissing islam is going to get you anywhere, have fun in hell you odiotic man,
  • JEWHAWK
    I dare because I can PROVE what I say,ma'am.

    The muslim females are FORCED to wear the Hijab. Please,
    don't you insult our collective intelligence by saying it is a
    VOLUNTARY move to cover their bodies from head to toe.

    Don't muslim girls get HORNY when they see men they find
    attractive ?
    Don't muslim girls MASTURBATE when they think about sex ?

    Don't muslim girls watch PORN on the internet ?

    If you dare to deny all of that, you will be denying that they're HUMAN BEINGS.
  • muslima363
    yeah...sure. what are your sources?

    i'll tell you what the best source is. a muslim woman. and i am not forced to wear the hijab.

    yes, i do deny watching porn or getting horny around guys or masturbating.

    you dont call that being human, you call that being pathetic and sick
  • JEWHAWK
    Of course you masturbate. Of course you get horny around boys. Of course you watch porn on the internet. Don't lie to yourself...liberate yourself muslima !!! I bet your fingers are busy at this very moment...you lustful little muslima...hahahaha whoa! watch out, there's people coming !!!
    Yeah. Lust is a human trait. All animals have. It's a necessary aspect of LIFE. If you don't get horny... go to a male stripper's club!

    Tell me how horny you are now, baby ?
  • XXX
    Well you see at least we don't need to go that low and masturbate, because we can get some ;) init ... don't be jealous if you can't have a man or woman to satisfy you :P
  • JEWHAWK
    " you see at least we don't need to go that low and masturbate "

    So you are saying that muslims do NOT masturbate ?

    Mahmood Ahmadinejad said that " there aren't gays and lesbians in Iran".

    So should I to understand that muslims are pure, naïve and righteous people, above
    all of us, wicked, perverted infidels ?

    You are simply LAUGHABLE.
  • Selma
    A women is NOT forced to wear a hijab. It is purely choice, it is her coming understanding her choices and their consequences. If she feels that she can live in the light of God without it, then she may choose not to wear it.

    Furthermore, not every human being masturbates, watches porn, or gets horny at the sight of any attractive male. I believe that is looked down upon in most religions anyway. And because you don't do those things, you are no less of a human than anyone else. Of course we are attracted to other males, horny?..well no, I would not say so. And of course we have desires, just as anyone...but we also have self-control, enough to where we don't act upon impulse after impulse. Then again, maybe that's what separates you and I.

    And I believe that any strong women who is whole-heartedly devoted to her relationship with God, agrees. Whether she is Muslim, Christian, Jewish or otherwise.
  • Beejj
    When you tell us that a Muslim woman is not forced to wear a hijab, are you implying that she can dress how she pleases? Can she wear a summer frock, or even a mini-skirt, for example? This is certainly not the case in Saudi Arabia and some other Islamic countries where the religious police are quick to order a woman to cover up should a strand of hair be showing. You know as well as I that this is true, so please refrain from writing such hogwash. I understand why you are keen to delude yourself into believing that women under Islam have social equality with men, for were you not to do so you would quickly collapse into an emotional ruin. If it's any consolation to you, remember that we who are not of your faith feel for you and would be delighted to see your lives improved.
  • muslima363
    God, Beej, chill! Just cuz we are Muslim doesn't mean we're not fashionable! I do wear summer frocks, with skinny jeans and matching jackets on top. Yes, *gasp* a muslim girl wears skinny jeans. and guess what? my father isn't threatening to kill me, nor is my older brother hitting me for *gasp* not wearing an abaya.

    There are many Muslim designers that make fashionable clothes for Muslim women, that are fashionable as well as modest. we do not have to wear mini-skirts to be fashionable. and it's not like we were abayas or burkas all the time.

    P.S: for any person who thinks Muslim women are oppressed. Check out Muslim Girl Magazine
  • JEWHAWK
    Fashionable ? Since when a CIRCUS' TENT is fashionable ?

    Did you know that a Jew called Levy Strauss invented the Jeans?
  • Beejj
    Excellent. If all Muslim females were allowed to wear whatever they want to wear the streets of the world would be less of an eyesore. But, as you know, such is not the case. Just consider those females who have to view the world through those grids! Imagine being forced to be so attired. Don't try to tell me or kid yourself that they do so out of choice. Can you not see the tragedy of this? Count yourself lucky that you are not one of them. For sure, if you lived in certain Islamic countries you too would have to live your entire life dressed in that way. I find such treatment of women deeply offensive, and am mystified as to the thinking behind it. It goes far beyond the modesty argument, but I am pretty certain it stems from male dominance. Now perhaps you would like to tell me why I need to chill. Such advice is better tendered to an awful lot of Muslim men.
  • Selma
    Of course that is not the case in those regions, those places are ruled strongly by the Quran, but you act as though the men are parading around naked. Of course not! They are covered just as the females are in the hopes of removing temptation, or at the very least assisting the people in controlling those temptations.

    Secondly, I have many friends who are strong Christians, they don't wear summer frocks or mini-skirts either. I also know plenty of Muslim young ladies who are quick to wear summer frocks and mini-skirts. Those Christian women are no more Christian than anyone else, and those Muslim women are no less Muslim that anyone else. I do not judge, only my God can do that.

    You talk about my life improving, I want you to know that I live a very blessed life here in the US, and I think you would agree if you knew more about me. There is always room for improvement, but I choose those improvements to be in aspects of piety, character, charity, and such...not materialistically. I also ask that you not feel for me, but rather pray. Pray for others, just as I will pray for you and them as well.
  • JEWHAWK
    You are living a blessed life in America but plot to undermine it ...
  • Beejj
    A friendly word of advice, Jewhawk. Please don't write such things. Doing so does nothing for your cause and provides the opposition with ammunition.
  • JEWHAWK
    I don't think so. She did put Islam in a higher moral ground, claiming that they
    have a ficticious SUPERIOR moral code in which women don't express their sexuality.
  • Tonto
    Seconded. Chill out, too emotional.
  • hellosnackbar
    If your use of English is a barometer of your education Aaliyah;then clearly you have not advanced very far.
    What's your role in life?
    Let me guess you live in a community of similar retards;dress up in a tent,and believe all the stone age bunkum taught to you by your ill educated relatives.
    You believe you and your religion deserve respect,
    Why?
    You've been told that if you live a Muslim life;then heaven awaits and the imaginary Allah will provide in the after life.
    That's the problem with people like you; you believe the fairy stories you're told.
    I read a story from an ex muslima who had the good sense to dump Islam and is now happily married to a kufr.
    She said it was the best decision she ever made.
    When I asked her about her parents,she said she had no contact as they continued to accept the insanity of Islam.
    but she had changed her name(before marrying)to a Portuguese one.
    She is still frightened that some murdering Muslim mutt might come calling.
    Call Islam a religion??it's a stinking pile of ordure(not my words but those of a Sikh)
  • muslima363
    right hellosnackbar. way to believe everything you read. mmhm...your a genius, i can totally tell.

    for your information, muslimas are taking education seriously these days.

    your arguement (if you can even call it an arguement) is so PATHETICALLY WEAK.

    a few months ago, obama recognized a MUSILM WOMAN for her achievements. and seriously, if you think that we women do not contribute to society, you are sadly mistaken.

    you always mocked me, didn't you? saying that i should seek education in america and i should "get with the modern world". yeah well, just this saturday i competed in regional science fair to represent my school, i have a 4.0 GPA, and top of my class. and i did this all while being brought up in a muslim household.

    get a grip.
  • JEWHAWK
    You're gonna marry a complete stranger whether you like it or not.

    You're gonna be a SEX TOY to your husband.

    You're gonna share your bed with another two women.

    You're gonna hide your diploma from your husband. He can't find out that
    you're smarter than him.

    You're gonna be recruited by Al Qaeda through your own husband and will
    give your life to Allah, in a "Martyrdom Operation", or " Shahada ".

    You're gonna be regarded as a HERO by your family while your husband
    will be fooling around with his two other wives.

    That's what your brilliant grades will bring to you...

    The only science will ever use will be when you'd
    pull your suicide vest's detonator.

    That's what muslim women are for :
    To be two-legged suicide-bomber's factories and
    to be suicide-bombers themselves.
  • hellosnackbar
    Kudos to you muslima363,
    But what are you going to do when you discover that the empirical evidence from the science you learn conflicts with the fiction of your death cult?
    One needs an open inquiring mind to fully understand scientific precepts.
    I wish you all the best and hope you succeed.
    Just stay away from bomb making!
    What does 4.0GPA mean?
  • Beejj
    " ..... the fairy stories you are told." Last evening I read the Book of Ezekiel, and I urge you to do likewise. Fairy story? A science fiction horror story is nearer the mark. Astonishingly, there are those who believe it all.
  • oh poor baby, you're mad cause we're "dissing" Islam. How bout you explain
    each quote in context for us? Please enlighten us.
  • muslima363
    you know what? i will.

    i will look them up inshallah and have put the explanations on this site by next week.
  • ibrahimali2009
    Our LORD Appreciated Christians asPer Quranic Verses 3:55,5:82,57:27,28 Except Quranic Verses 5:57,9:31. As per Quranic Versus 4:59 and 83, it is our duty to spread the following messages to all concerns towards public peace, security, health and wealth of mankind in the world as per our website www.goldenduas.com. The following message ought to have published to all the members of the group so far.As per quranic versus 4:59 and 83 it is a duty tospread the following messages in the interest of public peace, health and wealth. "please download from web site WWW.GOLDENDUAS.COM for peace, security, health& wealth for mankind and the same may be published to all members of the group based on quranic verses 2:2,10:57,17:11,16,28:59,39:55,57,13:37&65:8. Otherwise it will amount to refusal to follow our Lord Order, guidance and direction as per Quranic verses 6:26" Please kindly arrange to post the above said message in the group website in the interest of public to know all concerns in the interest of peace, security, health and wealth of all mankind. Otherwise it will amount to refuse to follow our Lord Order, guidance and direction as per Quranic verses 6:26"

    With kind regards

    U.IBRAHIMALI
  • SirWilhelm
    And if I reject your Quran and your Lord Order, what are you going to do, kill me?
  • ibrahimali2009
    Our LORD Appreciated Christians as per Quranic Verses
    3:55,5:82,57:27,28 Except Quranic Verses 5:57,9:31.
    As per Quranic Versus 4:59 and 83, it is our duty to spread the
    following messages to all concerns  towards public peace, security,
    health and wealth of mankind in the world as per our website www.goldenduas.com.
    The following message ought to have published to all the members of
    the group so far.
    As per quranic versus 4:59 and 83 it is a duty tospread the following
    messages in the interest of public peace, health and wealth. "please
    download from web site WWW.GOLDENDUAS.COM for peace, security, health&
    wealth for mankind and the same may be published to all members of the
    group based on quranic verses
    2:2,10:57,17:11,16,28:59,39:55,57,13:37&65:8.
    Otherwise it will amount to refusal to follow our Lord Order, guidance
    and direction as per Quranic verses 6:26"
     
    Please kindly arrange to post the above said messages either in your
    news items or  in the group website in the interest of public to know
    all concerns in the interest of peace, security, health and wealth of
    all mankind. Otherwise it will amount to refuse to follow our Lord
    Order, guidance and direction as per Quranic verses 6:26
     
     With kind regards
     U.IBRAHIMALI




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  • Beejj
    No doubt your words will bring comfort to the relatives of those Christians murdered by Muslims for refusing to convert to your vile faith.
  • ibrahimali2009
    Our LORD Appreciated Christians as per Quranic Verses

    3:55,5:82,57:27,28 Except Quranic Verses 5:57,9:31.

    As per Quranic Versus 4:59 and 83, it is our duty to spread the

    following messages to all concerns  towards public peace, security,

    health and wealth of mankind in the world as per our website www.goldenduas.com.

    The following message ought to have published to all the members of

    the group so far.

    As per quranic versus 4:59 and 83 it is a duty tospread the following

    messages in the interest of public peace, health and wealth. "please

    download from web site WWW.GOLDENDUAS.COM
    for peace, security, health&

    wealth for mankind and the same may be published to all members of the

    group based on quranic verses

    2:2,10:57,17:11,16,28:59,39:55,57,13:37&65:8.

    Otherwise it will amount to refusal to follow our Lord Order, guidance

    and direction as per Quranic verses 6:26"

    Please kindly arrange to post the above said messages either
    in your

    news items or  in the group website in the interest of public to know

    all concerns in the interest of peace, security, health and wealth of

    all mankind. Otherwise it will amount to refuse to follow our Lord

    Order, guidance and direction as per Quranic verses 6:26

     With kind regards

     U.IBRAHIMALI
  • Beejj
    Your message was woefully misdirected. Go tell it to those of your brethren who murder people who refuse to convert to become followers of the Beast, to those who believe that apostates must be killed and to those who look upon death by stoning as reasonable punishment.
  • ibrahimali2009
    Our LORD Appreciated Christians as per Quranic Verses

    3:55,5:82,57:27,28 Except Quranic Verses 5:57,9:31.

    As per Quranic Versus 4:59 and 83, it is our duty to spread the

    following messages to all concerns  towards public peace, security,

    health and wealth of mankind in the world as per our website www.goldenduas.com.

    The following message ought to have published to all the members of

    the group so far.




    As per quranic versus 4:59 and 83 it is a duty tospread the following

    messages in the interest of public peace, health and wealth. "please

    download from web site WWW.GOLDENDUAS.COM for peace, security, health&

    wealth for mankind and the same may be published to all members of the

    group based on quranic verses



    2:2,10:57,17:11,16,28:59,39:55,57,13:37&65:8.

    Otherwise it will amount to refusal to follow our Lord Order, guidance

    and direction as per Quranic verses 6:26"








    Please kindly arrange to post the above said messages either in your

    news items or  in the group website in the interest of public to know

    all concerns in the interest of peace, security, health and wealth of

    all mankind. Otherwise it will amount to refuse to follow our Lord

    Order, guidance and direction as per Quranic verses 6:26







     With kind regards




     U.IBRAHIMALI
  • yasminaa
    Hey Can you do me a HUGE favor and send me your phone number.. If you have the guts to. Dont worry I understand if you dont cuz people who make up crap like this are to chicken to face the people theyre talking about... but if you can grow a pair then id love to see that number :)
  • Tonto
    Give me your address honey. I can be anywhere in the USA within hours....and we can meet face to face. Bring all your frieds if you want. You may need them anyway.
  • JEWHAWK
    " Give me your address honey "

    Too emotional.

    " we can meet face to face "

    Bragging...


    " Bring all your frieds if you want "

    Chill out, you could regret that piece of advice.
  • Tonto
    Are you angry all the time?
  • JEWHAWK
    Only when a supposedly friendly bone tip arrow hit my back.
  • Tonto
    I reckon I'm NOT obliged to agree with you all the time, just as you are not obliged to agree with me always either. That "bone tipped arrow" thing was kind of racist too. Many of us Redskins been trained in the US Armed Forces and use guns, bombs and other nifty modern things now. White boys use bows and arrows to hunt nowadays.....they call that a "hobby". I even knew a white-eye that used a spear to hunt bear, but he had more guts than sense. There was a one hand Brazilian, years ago that hunted jaguar with a spear too.....
  • Zoheb
    Are we here to pick up fights ? Let us be mature enough and hold us to what we are discussing.
  • Tonto
    Why not? We can all be arm-chair commandos around here and dare each other to post our names and addresses. Idiot! Nyeek halek, mishnoon!
  • In the name of PEACE!
    May ALLAH forgive the BLIND & ERRANT amongst us & may HE show us the straight path!
  • SirWilhelm
    You mean Allah the Moon God? I was just reading recently that Jericho was a city dedicated to Sin, and Sin had the Moon as his symbol, so Allah has been around a long time seeing as Jericho (Yeriho in Hebrew) is one of the most ancient cities known. Didn't know you were worshipping Sin, did you? I know you're going to disagree, but the evidence is overwhelming in my opinion, but it most likely won't make any difference to you. Your loss.
  • JEWHAWK
    May Allah (devil) and you (muslim microbe) go back to HELL.

    Ahh...and it will be a "straight path".
  • hellosnackbar
    If ALLAH were a reality;then BLIND &ERRANT would be an accurate description of her persona.
    As was Mohammed(PusBeUponHim);the desert barbarian who invented her.
  • zoheb
    Woman Right In Islam :

    The Conditions of Women in Arabia Before Islam
    In those days before Islam, women were treated like slaves or property. Their personal consent concerning anything related to their well-being was considered unimportant, to such a degree that they were never even treated as a party to a marriage contract.

    Women were used for one purpose, and then discarded. They had no independence, could own no property and were not allowed to inherit. In times of war, women were treated as part of the prize. Simply put, their condition was unspeakable.

    In addition, the birth of a daughter in a family was not an occasion for rejoicing, but was regarded with humiliation. The practice of killing female children was uncontrolled.

    With the advent of Islam came the verse from the Quran condemning those who practiced female infanticide:

    "And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief! He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed. Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision."
    (An-Nahl 16:58-59)

    And as part of a description of various events on the Day of Judgment, the Quran mentions:

    "And when the female (infant) buried alive (as the pagan Arabs used to do)
    shall be questioned. For what sin she was killed? (At-Takwir 81:8-9)

    Outside Arabia conditions for women were no better. In India, Egypt, and all European countries in the Dark Ages, women were treated worse than slaves. They were not regarded as human beings but as sort of a sub-species between humans and animals.



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    Allah (SWT) Gave the Arab Women Their Rights
    The rights of Muslim women were given to us by Allah (SWT), who is All-Compassionate, All-Merciful, All-Just, All-Unbiased, All-Knowing and Most Wise. These rights, which were granted to women more than 1400 years ago, and were taught by the perfect example of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), were given by the one Who created us and Who alone knows what rights are best for our female natures. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:

    "O You who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at time of marriage) you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with them honorably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings
    through it a great deal of good." (An-Nisa 4:19)

    The most basic right of a woman in Islam is the knowledge and recognition that she never has to ask or demand or fight for her rights which are guaranteed to her by Allah (SWT) Himself.



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    Rights That Islam Gives to Women
    Human Rights

    Islam considers a woman to be equal to a man as a human being and as his partner in this life. Women have been created with a soul of the same nature as man’s. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:

    "O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever and All-Watcher over you." (Al-Nisa 4:1)

    And in the words of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW),

    "Assuredly, women are the twin halves of men." (Sahih reported by Abu-Dawud (RA)

    Islam does not blame Eve alone for the First Sin. The Quran makes it very clear that both Adam and Eve were tempted, that they both sinned and were both forgiven after their repentance. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:

    "Then Satan whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals." And he (Satan) swore by Allah to them both (saying): "Verily, I am one of the sincere well-wishers for you both." So he mislead them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to stick together the leaves of Paradise over themselves (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Satan is an open enemy unto you?" They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers." (Allah) said: "Get down, one of you an enemy to the other (i.e. Adam, Eve, and Satan, etc.). On earth will be a dwelling-place for you and an enjoyment, - for a time." He said: "Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out (i.e. resurrected)."(Al-A’raf 7:20-25)

    In Islamic law a woman is an independent, unique individual in her own right. She has the same responsibilities towards herself, towards Allah (SWT) and towards other human beings as the male, and will be punished or rewarded in the Hereafter without discrimination towards her female gender.

    Civil Rights

    There is no compulsion in religion according to the Quran:

    "There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut [anything worshipped other then the Real God (Allah)] and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
    (Al-Baqarah 2:256)

    A Muslim woman is not permitted to change her family name to her husband’s name upon marriage. She is always known by her father’s name, as a mark of her own identity. In choosing a marriage partner, her consent to accept or reject any prospective suitor for marriage must be respected. A Muslim woman has the right to seek divorce, if necessary within the laws of Islam.



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    Muslim Women Have the Right to Go Outside of Her Home
    Muslim women are not forbidden from going out in the community, working, or visiting relatives and female friends, if there is no objection from their guardian/husband and they are covered and behave and speak according to Islamic guidelines and, if necessary, escorted by their Mahram (a close male relative). However, a woman’s home should be the main base that she works from. Allah (SWT) instructed the wife’s of the Prophet (SAW):

    "O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he is whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and offer prayers perfectly (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family [of the Prophet (SAW)], and to purify you with a thorough purification." (Al-Ahzab 33:32-33)


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    A Woman in Islam Has the Right to Get an Education
    In the words of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW):

    "To seek knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim."
    (Declared Authentic By Shaikh Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaani)

    Muslim here meaning male and female Muslims, as women are the twin halves of men. The Prophet (SAW) also said:

    "Whoever follows a way to seek knowledge, Allah will make easy for him a way to paradise." (Declared Authentic By Shaikh Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaani)

    A woman in Islam has the right to knowledge and education. Allah (SWT) encourages women to read and keep up the learning process. He also bestows His mercy upon all who seek knowledge, and gives them high status:

    "Is one who is obedient to Allah, prostrating himself or standing (in prayer) during the hours of the night, fearing the Hereafter and hoping for the Mercy of his Lord (like one who disbelieves)? Say: "Are those who know equal to those who know not?" It is only men of understanding who will remember (i.e. get a lesson from Allah’s Signs and Verses). (Az-Zumar 39:9)

    "O you who believe! When you are told to make room in the assemblies, (spread out and) make room. Allah will give you (ample) room (from His Mercy). And when you are told to rise up (for prayers, Jihad, or for any other good deed), rise up. Allah will exalt in degree those of you who believe, and those who have been granted knowledge. And Allah is Well-Acquainted with what you do. (Al-Mujadilah 58:11)

    This is referring to religious knowledge, in the first place, and to any other kind of knowledge, in the second place, where one has the intention of benefiting herself, her family and the Islamic society. Additionally, a husband should not forbid his wife from going out of the house to seek basic religious knowledge, unless he is teaching her at home. The Quran advises mankind to pray:

    "Then High above all be Allah, the True King. And be not in haste [O Muhammad (SAW)] with the Quran before its revelation is completed to you, and say: My Lord! Increase me in knowledge." (Ta-Ha 20:114)


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    The Right to Go to the Mosque
    The Messenger of Allah (SAW) said:

    "If someone’s wife asks his permission to go to the mosque, he should not deny it to her."

    Women should be covered Islamically, according to the Muslim woman's dress requirements (see Her Dress).

    At the same time, a woman’s prayer in her home is better, from the standpoint of her household duties and duties as a mother. Also it is better in the sense that it prevents unnecessary mixing with men. The Prophet (SAW) also stated on another occasion:

    "But their homes are better for them." (Reported by Abu Dawud and Ahmed)


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    Islam Gives Men and Women Equal Rights
    In reality, and in Islam, the rights and responsibilities of a woman are equal to those of man, but they are not necessarily identical with them. Equality and sameness are two very different things. I think you’ll agree that, for one thing, women and men are physically very different from one another, although they are equal to each other in other important ways.

    In the West, women may be doing the same job that men do, but their wages are often less. The rights of Western women in modern times were not created voluntarily, or out of kindness to the female. The modern Western woman reached her present position by force, and not through natural processes or mutual consent of Divine teachings. She had to force her way, and various circumstances aided her. Shortage of manpower during wars, pressure of economic needs and requirement of industry forced women to leave their homes to work, struggling for their livelihood, to appear equal to men. Whether all women are sincerely pleased with these circumstances, and whether they are happy and satisfied with the results, is a different matter. But the fact remains that whatever rights modern Western women have, they fall short of those of her Muslim counterpart! Islam has given woman what duties her female nature. It gives her full security and protects her against becoming what Western modern women themselves complain against: a "mere sex object."



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    The Right to Seek Employment
    If you take a look at many societies today, a woman is only valued and considered important if she performs the functions of a man, (while at the same time displaying her feminine attractions to the public). While these women may carry the immense responsibility of bearing and rearing children, you have to admit that they may still be at par with men in nearly every area of life. The result is the present-day confusion concerning sex role differentiation, resulting in very large numbers of divorces and emotionally distraught children.

    In Islam, however, the value and importance of women in society and the true measure of their success as human beings, is measured with completely different criteria: their fear of Allah (SWT) and obedience to Him, and fulfillment of the duties He has entrusted them with, particularly that of bearing, rearing and teaching children.

    Nevertheless, Islam is a practical religion, and responds to human needs and life situations. Many women need, or wish, to work for various reasons. For example, they may possess a needed skill, such as a teacher or a doctor.

    While Islam does not prohibit women working outside the home, it does stipulate that the following restrictions be followed to safeguard the dignity and honor of women and the purity and stability of the Islamic society, (the conduct of women, after all, is the "backbone" of any society):

    1. Outside employment should not come before, or seriously interfere with her responsibilities as wife and mother.

    2. Her work should not be a source of friction within the family, and the husband’s consent is required in order to eliminate later disagreements. If she is not married, she must have her guardian’s consent.

    3. Her appearance, manner and tone of speech and overall behavior should follow Islamic guidelines. These include: restraining her glances in relation to any men near the work place, wearing correct Islamic dress, avoiding men, not walking in a provocative manner, and not using make-up or perfume in public.

    4. Her job should not be one which causes moral corruption in society, or involve any prohibited trade or activity, affect her own religion, morals, dignity and good behavior, or subject her to temptations.

    5. Her job should not be one which is mixing and associating with men.

    6. A woman should try to seek employment in positions which require a woman’s special skills, or which relate to the needs of women and children, such as teaching, nursing other women, midwifery, medicine with specialization’s like pediatric or obstetrics-gynecology.



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    A Muslim Woman is Required to Dress a Certain Way When She Goes Out in Public
    For a Muslim woman, her modest dress is an expression of a universal sisterhood. An Islamic dress also liberates the Muslim woman, and she is then automatically respected for her mind instead of her body. Simply put, she retains her dignity! It is like saying: I am a respectful woman. I am not for every man to look at, touch, or speak to. I am protected, exactly like a precious white pearl which, if touched by everyone, will become black and dirty.

    A woman’s modest dress protects society from adultery and other forms of illegal sexual relations that lead to the break up of families and corruption of society.

    THE RIGHT OF A MUSLIM WOMAN IS TO BE RESPECTED FOR HER MIND AND FOR BEING HER OWN PERSON


    www.themuslimwoman.com
  • I notice a trend in the rules for women which I've noticed before. Why is it the woman's responsibility to keep men in line? From the sound of it, you'd think Muslim men have absolutely no capability OR responsibility to control themselves.
    Dress modestly....so you don't cause a man to want you.
    Don't wear cosmetics or perfume....so you don't cause a man to want you.
    Don't go out among men, look at a man, or associate with men....so it's not your fault a man got turned on!

    Why does responsibility fall solely on the woman to avoid turning on other men? Muslim men can't control themselves, & therefore women have to walk on egg shells to avoid unwanted attention?
    I'm sorry, please explain this to me.
  • SirWilhelm
    It's not that Muslim men couldn't control themselves if they had too, it's that they don't want to have to. They want to have their cake(?) and eat it too, and under Islam they can. And even more unfortunately, there are women that have submissive natures and are comfortable in that situation. Being brought up that way makes a difference, but there are women in free socieites, like the US, that are submissive too. I've run into my share. I found I prefer women with brains, spirit and will, but there were times....anyway, even in Muslim societies there is some room for choice, and as it appears, one can never be sure who's actually doing the writing, from some of the posts on here, some Muslim women choose to like Islam.
  • Odyssia
    You forgot to mention that when a man is stoned to death he is only buried up to his waist, but a stoned woman is treated far more elaborately by being buried up to her neck. Women have it good under Islam, don't they?
  • Zoheb
    Woman in Islam ? are you sure ? stoning to death is not from the Quran and is therefor not an Islamic teacheing, but we find stoning to death in the bible : the law of stoning people to death is Biblical. It has been accepted by the Muslims who came after the Prophet and this is another evidence of a great tolerance in Islam for upholding Biblical teachings. Why should the Christian West hold the Muslim Ummah in disgust for upholding Biblical laws?
    If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death (Bible : Lev 20:10). The Qur’an also prescribes a punishment for adultery, but it is a scourge of 100 lashes (Quran :24:2).

    Can you answer this ?.

    According to the Quran it is the same punishment for both men and woman.

    Yes Womem have it good under Islam, don't they ?
  • Tonto
    If you will notice, in the west, there is no law saying that it's OK to stone adulterers. We call that murder here. Only in muzleem countries is this happening....and it's a GROUP effort, not a pissed off hubby or wife blowing away the wrong doer. We have another custom which is much more painful here....it's called DIVORCE....in which a man's financial testicles are removed through his wallet by a lawyer and a judge. You seem like you're OK with the "Biblical law" of stoning.....guess you're a savage barbarian like the rest of those backward islamic retards that do that stuff. Here we call that "unacceptable behavior", and although it is in the Old Testament of the Bible, we don't do it or condone it. Do that here and you either face execution or life in a very unpleasant prison full of Christian bad guys who will not be nice to you.
  • Zoheb
    I'm not upholding any biblical law. we muslims only follow the Quranic rules. And in the Quran it is not said to stone.

    Consider a scenario where the Islamic law is implemented in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic dress as mentioned in Quran. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?

    If Islamic law is implemented in any part of the world, women will breathe easier

    Btw do u think adultery is ok ? Do u know how much adultery it is commited by u guys ? and just bcz of it so many houses are being shattered.
  • Tonto
    It is DONE though....is it not? And only in islamic shitholes....correct? And it is condoned....is it not? And only in islamic shitholes.....correct? And yet you insist that it has nothing to do with islam? Then WHY is it respected as a trenet of islam? You worthless muz talk out of both sides of your mouths....with a forked tongue....like a snake has.
  • hellosnackbar
    Just pressed the like button by mistake!!!!
    Anyway"if Islamic law is implemented in any part of the world women will breathe more easily"???
    I'm sure Bronwyn,Christine,Odyssia and the rest will be splitting their sides with mirth at that proposition Zoheb!
    Is there a secret wormhole to an Islamic parallel Universe up there in Norway Zoheb?
    And for pity's sake stop typing all that Koranus drivel it's mind numbingly boring as is the rest of the pathology you call a rel.igion.
  • I approved Zoheb's comments. you should see them now.
  • SirWilhelm
    "If Islamic law is implemented in any part of the world, women will breathe easier" Tell that to all the women that wind up being the ones being punished under Islamic law after being raped. Men get excused for rape all the time under Islamic law, and adultery is technically non-existent because Islamic men can have as many women as they want by marrying them and divorcing them as they see fit. Islam makes women slaves with no say or choices. It takes two to commit adultery, which shows the women involved have as much choice as the men, so the risk is relatively equal too, and all involved suffer when exposed. Free will versus slavery is what it's really all about.
  • All this is either miunderstood or wrong translated. Let mehelp you correcting it :

    10. Your women are the bearers of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe GOD, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers. 2:23

    9.God treats men and women as spiritual equals., Quran 3:195 tells us :

    "Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you MALE OR FEMALE, YOU ARE EQUAL TO ONE ANOTHER........." 3:195

    Islam believes in equality between men and women - Equality does not mean identicality.

    Suppose in a classroom 2 students, student ‘A’ and ‘B’, during an examination both come out first - Both secure 80% marks - 80 out of 100.

    When you analyze the question paper, the question paper has 10 differ­ent questions, each carrying 10 marks.

    In question 1 student ‘A’ got 9 out of 10, and student ‘B’ got 7 out of 10 - So in question 1 student ‘A’ was higher than student ‘B’.

    In question 2, student ‘A’ got 7 out of 10 and student ‘B’ got 9 out of 10 - Student ‘B’ was higher than student ‘A’ in question number 2.

    In question 3 both of them got 8 out of 10, both were equal.

    So when we add up the marks of all the ten questions, both student ‘A’ and ‘B’ got 80 out of 100.

    So in short, student ‘A’ and student ‘B’ are over all equal.

    In some questions ‘A’ is higher than ‘B’, in some questions ‘B’ is higher than ‘A’, in others both are equal.

    In the same fashion, taking the example that since God has given man more strength - Suppose a thief enters the house will you tell, ‘I believe in women’s rights - I believe in women’s rights’ - will you tell your mother, your sister and your daughter, to go and fight the thief?’

    No, but natural you’ll fight him - If required they may interfere - Under normal circumstances since God has given you more physical strength, you have to go and tackle the thief.

    So here, in physical strength, man is one degree higher than the woman

    Let us take another example where it comes to respecting the parents - The children are supposed to respect the mother 3 times more than the father (as mentioned earlier).

    Here the women have one degree higher than the men - Over all both equal

    So Islam believes in equality, not identically - Men and women are over all equal in Islam.

    This was in brief, the highlights, of ‘the Women’s Rights in Islam’.

    After this what the Muslim society did is different - Many of the Muslim societies did not give the women their rights and they deviated away from the Qur’an and the Sunnah.

    The Western society is largely responsible for this - because of the Western societies, many Muslim societies have become over protective, over precautions and have gone to one extreme and deviated away from the Qur’an and the Sunnah.

    On the other extreme, some of the Muslim societies turned to the Western culture, and followed their culture.

    I want to tell the Western society that if you analyze the women’s rights in Islam according to the Qur’an and the Sunnah - you will realize it is modernizing and not outdated.

    I can give thousand moe prooves but wanted to no make it toooo long.

    ‘Who requires the maximum love and respect and my companionship in this world?

    The Prophet replied – ‘your mother’
    ‘Who is next’? – ‘your mother’
    ‘Who is next?’ – ‘your mother’
    The man asked for the fourth time, - ‘Who is next’
    The Prophet replied ‘your father’.

    Is mother woma or man ? Jut like this one i have thousand o prooves that the woman is equal to men.

    Islam gave women rights and privileges at a time when only barbaric manners and values dominated.
    Yet, some people argue that Islam has alienated women in some domains. In fact, this belief is a misconception. People who say so, may have read about it in a magazine or seen it on TV. A quick examination of the issues judged as unjust to women will certainly correct the misunderstanding.

    Man as the head of the household:

    Some people believe that a woman in Islam is regarded as inferior to man since the Quran says (what means):
    "Men have one degree above women." [Quran 2: 228]

    In fact, to understand this Quranic verse, you should see another one, related to the issue in question. It reveals the wisdom behind this concept.



    In the Quran it also says (what means): "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has given the one more than the other and because men support them from their means." [Quran 4:34]

    This verse implies that it is a man's duty to support his wife, and not the reverse, but this, in no way, makes him superior to her.

    In fact, the rights and responsibilities of a woman are equal to those of a man but they are not necessarily identical. Since men and women are not created identical, they have different physical and emotional qualities, jobs and privileges. This does not mean that women are inferior.

    On the contrary, women are considered crucial members of society in Islam since they are assigned the job of bringing up future generations. People today tend to look down at housewives but, in fact, raising children is one of the most important and difficult tasks. The way a mother brings up her child determines the way he will behave in the future. This duty, which requires patience, love, understanding and wisdom was significantly assigned to women in Islam because her nature suits this job.

    Allaah The Exalted, in His Wisdom, has assigned a role for each member of the family so that there would be no arguments concerning who should do what. If a sailboat has two leaders, each will want to follow a path, leading ultimately to chaos and even a crash. In the same manner, how many times have your parents fought over some decision because each had their own point of view and wanted to apply it? This is precisely why it is preferable to have one leader for each household. However, this does not give the leader the right to be a dictator, or to neglect the role of his companion. This does not make him superior to other members of his family. It just gives him a larger duty.




    8.Some people claim that Islam is unjust towards women because it entitles them to inherit half of what men get. In fact, those people only know one side of the truth.

    First, the principle of women inheriting half the money is only applicable in 45 percent of the cases. In the other 55 percent, women inherit the same amount or sometimes even more. For example, a mother and a father each inherit the sixth of their son's property when they are not the only inheritors.

    In addition, the laws of inheritance in Islam are proportional to the duties of spending. Indeed, a man in Islam has the responsibility of supporting his family, his brother's children (when his brother dies), his parents (when they retire and do not have an income), his children from his previous marriage (if he has them) and his household, including his wife and children. A woman, on the other hand, does not bear this responsibility. She has the freedom to use the money she collects from her dowry or work as she pleases.

    You might object here, saying that women today are working and helping their husbands pay the expenses, which entitles them to share equality with men. In fact, you should know that women's economic assistance to their husbands, which has become the norm today, is only an answer to the females’ wishes. Islam does not oblige women to spend on their households. It is a free choice many women have themselves taken today to feel more liberated, so it does not entitle them to a bigger portion of the inheritance.

    7. O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! When you transact a loan for any period, you shall write it down. An impartial scribe shall do the writing. No scribe shall decline to perform this duty, and write as God has taught him. The debtor, or in case he or she is incompetent, his representative shall dictate the document honestly and be mindful of his Lord, and diminish not the amount. There shall be two witnesses to the transaction from among your men. If two men are not available, then let there be one man and two women, all of them you satisfactorily consider competent as witnesses so that even if the witnessing woman gets distracted (for example, by her baby), the accompanying woman may support and remind her. All witnesses should be such that their testimony is acceptable to all. It is the obligation of the witnesses to testify when called upon to do so. Do not tire of writing the details, no matter how long, including the time of repayment. This is equitable in the Sight of God, assures better witnessing, and eliminates any doubts you may have. When it is actual merchandise that you transfer among yourselves from hand to hand, there is nothing wrong for you if you write it not, but have it witnessed. The scribe and the witnesses must be held harmless for their services. If you harm them, it would be wickedness on your part. If you follow God’s Commands He will increase you in knowledge. These are the Injunctions of God Who is the Knower of all things; intentions, events and actions. 2:282

    [The second woman will not be a witness in the court of law. She is there only to support the first woman if she gets distracted, for example, by her baby. Tardhaun from Radha = Those you are satisfied with = Of your just choice = In the context: You shall choose competent men and women as witnesses. Dhall = To get distracted = Losing focus = Attention getting diverted = Mind getting preoccupied with other thoughts = Losing direction = Straying. Zakkar from Zikr = Advise = Support = Remind = Confirm = Strengthen = Remember]

    Here too i can write much more but hope this is enough for you.

    6.If a man divorces his wife on a third different time during their marital life, it shall be unlawful for him to remarry her. It may so happen that the woman marries another man, and those two do not get along, and he divorces her. In that case, there is nothing wrong if both (the previous couple) decide to come together again, if they consider that they will be able to observe the limits set by God. These limits have been made clear for people who use their knowledge. 2:230

    [There is no room in the Qur’an for the socalled ‘Halaalah’, a shameful, manmade custom where a divorced woman is made to spend an intimate night with another man under wedlock with a preplanned divorce in the morning!

    5.The following women are prohibited for you in marriage: Your mothers, daughters, sisters, father’s sisters, mother’s sisters, brother’s daughters, sister’s daughters, fostermothers who have ever nursed you, fostersisters, your wives’ mothers, your stepdaughters, unless you have divorced their mother without being intimate with her. Also forbidden are women who have ever been the wives of your sons. You are not allowed to keep two sisters in wedlock at one time except what has already happened in the past. God is Forgiving, Merciful. 4:23

    4:24 ( again correting his wrong translation )

    Also forbidden to you are women who are already married, except those women who have sought asylum with you against their disbelieving husbands at war with you (60:10). This is God’s Ordinance binding upon you. All other categories are permitted for you in marriage, with mutual consent, as confirmed by giving her a generous marital gift or dowry. You shall seek them in honest wedlock and let marriage be a fortress of chastity for the husband and wife. You shall maintain morality and go not near adultery (17:32). You like to marry women for a better quality of life, so give them their portions as a duty. And there is nothing wrong in adjusting the sum with mutual agreement after the duty has been done. These Laws are given to you by God, the Knower, the Wise.

    4.If you fear that you (the society) shall not be able to do justice with the orphans, (as may happen in times of war and political turbulence, the government shall announce a state of Emergency), then, in order to accommodate widows and orphans, men of sound finances and character shall be encouraged to marry these widows; two, three, and four (4:127). But, if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly, then, you must not take additional wives, and may continue with what you already have (4:129). This will be more suitable to prevent you from doing injustice and face financial hardship. [Second marriage during peace time is a frank violation of the Qur’an - note ‘if you fear’ �]

    Polygyny is one of the most questioned principles that Islam grants men and women. Indeed, many people wrongfully accuse Islam of injustice because it allows a man to have up to four wives. Nevertheless, like every instruction in the Quran, polygyny has a reason. You see, Islam is a practical religion that acknowledges the needs and temptations of human beings and provides laws that deal with them, thus preserving harmony and morality.




    · Polygyny might be the solution for a couple if the wife is barren, the husband wants children of his own and the option of separation does not appeal to both parties.

    · If a woman is chronically ill and is unable to perform her marital duties. Polygyny may also be the solution when the couple does not want divorce.

    · Polygyny is the religion's answer to cases where some men have excessive sexual needs that cannot be fulfilled by one wife. This in no way means that men should abuse this right and use it whenever they fancy a woman. It is rather a chance Islam has provided to prevent men from committing adultery. Many people who condemn polygyny cheat on their wives, calling this phenomenon a 'swift affair.' Islam, at least, has offered the second woman the option of being called 'a wife' rather than 'a mistress', especially in some countries where women remarkably outnumber men.

    · Polygyny may settle the problem of an increased number of unmarried women, especially during wars.

    However, polygyny has some limits and conditions to be met. Indeed, the Quran instructs the man to be fair with his wives on all levels, including treatment, money, house, etc. The only level where the man may have an uneven stance is the level of the feelings that he cannot control:


    The Quran says (what means): "You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire, so do not incline too much to one of them [by giving her more of your time and provision] so as to leave the other hanging [i.e. neither divorced nor married]. And if you do justice, and do all that is right and fear Allaah by keeping away from all that is wrong, then Allaah is Ever-Forgiving and All-Merciful." [Quran 4:129]

    Finally, it is worth knowing that Islam gives a woman the right to refuse polygyny for her husband by setting it as a condition during the marriage procedures. If this condition is set, then the woman is granted divorce if her husband marries another while he is still married to her.

    You might ask, why could not there be polyandry (a woman having more than one husband)? The answer is simple. Islam did not allow it because Allaah is All-Aware that it will create a problem of kinship. This means that the child may not know who is actually his father (it could be anyone of the four husbands). In addition to the psychological damage it may cause, this problem also complicates the issue of inheritance. Even birds and animals do not allow polyandry.


    3. If a woman experiences illtreatment from her husband or fears that he might turn away from her, there should be no hesitation in taking corrective action and resolving the matter between them amicably. Conciliation is best. Selfishness is ever present in human psyche. And if you take care to benefit each other and be mindful of God, certainly God is ever Aware of all you do. [God, the Cognizant shows you the best way. 4:128

    4:129 [Men who have been permitted a second wife for postwar exigencies (4:3) must understand that] You will not be able to deal equally between your wives however much you wish. But do not turn altogether away from one, leaving her as if in suspense between having and not having a husband. Fulfill the rights of each one of them and be mindful of God. Surely, God is ever Forgiving, Merciful. [Your effort is seen 53:40, and He is the Absolver of your imperfections] 4:129

    2.Men are the protectors and supporters of women. They shall take full care of women with what they spend of their wealth. God has made men to excel in some areas and women to excel in some areas. Men should ensure that women are able to stand at their feet in the society.
    So, righteous women are obedient to God’s Ordinances and guard the moral values even in privacy, the values that God has commanded to be guarded. If you experience ill-treatment from them, apprise them of possible consequences. Next, leave them in their resting places, but keep admonishing them with examples. If they pay heed to you, do not seek a way against them. God is Most High, Great.

    [Qawwam = Protector = Maintainer = One who helps others to stand at their feet. Nushooz = Ill-treatment = Rebellion = To stand up (2:259,
    58:11) = To stand up against virtue = Mental abuse = Domestic violence = To rebel against the permanent moral values. Wa’az = Admonishment = To apprise of consequences (2:231, 3:66). Dharb = Example (13:17, 16:74, 36:13) = To stop or prevent (8:11, 43:5) = To embark upon a journey = Strike the road or begin to travel (4:101) = To give examples (4:34, 13:17, 16:74, 36:13, 43:58) = To withdraw (43:5)]

    1. First of all i'll like to correct the translation again. The right/correct transltion is :

    65:1 says following :

    O Prophet! When you men intend to divorce women, make sure that the waiting period is observed. Keep precise account of this interim. Be mindful of God, your Lord. Never expel them from THEIR homes, nor shall they themselves leave their homes unless they commit open immorality. These are, then, the limits imposed by God. And whoever crosses God’s limits, certainly, hurts one’s own ’self’. You do not know that God may bring about thereafter a new situation (help create reconciliation).

    [Note that homes belong to women. The waiting period before a divorced woman or a widow can remarry, has been explained before and reiterated now. (65:4, 2:228, 2:234). There is no waiting period for women with whom husbands have had no intimate relations. 33:49]

    65:4

    And such of your women as no longer expect menstruation, as well as those women who do not habitually menstruate (for any reason), to resolve your doubts, their waiting period is ordained to be three months. For those who are pregnant, the waiting period ends when they deliver their burden. Anyone who is mindful of God, He will make his condition easy for him.

    [Note the word Hamlahunna = Their burden = What they carry, - instead of ‘their baby or child’. Hence, the term includes abortion, conditions such as moles, and all kinds of abnormal pregnancies and outcomes]

    Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him ) married Hazrat Aisha ( RA ) when our beloved mother Aishawas 48 years and not9

    Contrary to the Imamist propaganda, the exalted Prophet had no more than one wife at a time. And Hazrat Ayesha was a sister, not daughter of Hazrat Abu Bakr. The Prophet (S) did not marry for three years after Hazrat Khadijah’s demise in Makkah three years before Hijrah. Hazrat Ayesha was the widow of a martyr, Saleh bin Saleh Al-’Ataib. She was 48 years old at the time of marriage to the exalted Prophet. Sahaba Kiraam including Hazrat Abu Bakr strongly recommended that the Prophet (S) and she got into the solemn union of marriage. The blessed wedding took place in 622 CE when Muhammad (S) was 52 years old. Kitab-e-Dalail-e-Nabawwut Syedna Muhammad (S), by Abdul Jabbar Fatimi, written 150 years before Tabari, the first ever ‘canonized’ historian. Azwaaj-in-Nabi wal-Ashaab, by Sheikh Hammad bin Hakam. The rest is nothing but slanderous.

    Other wives

    The exalted Prophet was now also Head of the State. Quite a few Muslims had been killed in battles and by persecution. There were women who accepted Islam while their husbands did not. The Qur’an does not allow a Muslim woman to remain wedded to a Non-Muslim. In these circumstances, there were many women and their children who needed shelter. The Prophet (S) and his companions accommodated them in their homes. To prevent slander, these widows and divorcees simply signed marriage contracts in their new households.

    To emphasize the point again, the exalted Messenger married only Hazrat Khadija when he was 25, and she was also 25, and the story of 40 years old woman is nothing but false fabricated hadith. They lived an ideal married life for 25 years. Hazrat Khadija died in Makkah. Three years after her death and soon after migration to Madinah in AH 1, Muhammad (S) married Hazrat Ayesha, a sister of Hazrat Abu Bakr. She was then 48. Prophet Muhammad ( S ) was offered all the wealth of Saudi Arabia and got an offer to be the king of Saudi Arabia but the exalted prophet refused. The exalted Prophet lived a simple life and had no interest in money. The reason why Prophet Muhammad ( S ) married Hazrat Khadijah was that Hazrat Khadijah was so impressed by the loyality and character of the exalted prophet tha she wanted to marry the prophet.

    During the blessed times, the Central Government run with Shura used to issue a deed of marriage to all women seeking asylum with Rasool (S) and Sahaba Kiraam in order to prevent slander. This is the reason why the Qur’an mentions the exalted Prophet’s wives in plural. Please reflect on the many shades of the meaning of Nikah. Also consider why NONE BUT Hazrat Khadijah bore any children to the exalted Prophet.

    Maria, the bondwoman reportedly “gifted” to the exalted prophet by the Egyptian ruler, is nothing but a malicious fabrication. How could the exalted prophet accept bondwomen and slaves when the Qur’an was emancipating them? One might assume well and think, “Well, in order to grant them freedom.” But our brilliant historians insist that Maria always remained a concubine!

    These concealed books are scarcely available in Arabic only under strict protection of the Muslim clergy, under custody of the autocratic Arab world.

    Their stray copies are found in the Istanbul Museum, the library of Madinah University, Tashqand (Tashkent) Muslim Library in the former Soviet Union, Jame’ah Al-Azhar of Cairo, Maktaba Adnan in Beirut and in some cases they have been personally inherited by the progeny of the ancient scholars. These books are so well-guarded that only a few scholars have been able to partially photograph these precious documents. They are closely guarded since they demolish our mythical,

    Be open minded and accept the truth. You are most welcome to Islam.. the true and peaceful religion.
  • Tonto
    Wow, that was real edifying. For the very first time some one has taken the trouble to write a coherent answer to this article....and it only took 2 years. Thank you Zoheb for taking the time and making the effort. The problem I see is that you present a scenario that "SHOULD BE" as opposed to "THAT WHICH IS". In other words, what we hear about is all the muz that are doing things that are very much different than what you say here. Where does the concept of honor killing come from? I've heard that the hijab and the "black tent" are not demanded in the koran, surrah or hadith but if a woman refuses to wear a tent in some areas of the world she can be jailed, beaten, raped, or even killed. I saw a video in which a woman was shot dead for wearing nail polish! What you talk about here sounds pretty sensible....not insane at all. However, all we see from islam is insanity and more insanity and the people doing it tell the world it's "God's will" or that it comes from islamic culture. Muz students in American schools often insult non-muz teachers...and feel justified about it. Where does all that shit come from? A muz(or anybody else) insults me for any reason, religious or not, I feel compelled to slap the shit out of them just to teach them how to correctly comport themselves. What you say is that these guys doing these things are not doing islamic things, in fact what they are doing is un-islamic, or even anti-islamic......right? Then why are they not condemmed and punished severely for these things? How can the rest of the muz let them do these things in the name of islam and never even rebuke them? There is something very wrong in islam. Your problem is that non-islamic people are not going to put up with these assholes and WILL paint all muz with the same paint. People automatically assume that ALL muslims feel, think and do this insane shit. Far as I can see, it ain't my problem. I know how to deal with those that piss me off and I'm damn sure not afraid to. Americans already showed the muz how well we can do that. Ask a jihadi in Iraq how they're doin'. There's lots of dead ones to testify to my point. The smartest thing that muz in the world can do for themselves, before it's too late, is to get control of the crazy muz waging war on the world and make them stop. Otherwise, sooner or later, the world will declare war on islam and wipe it from the planet.
    This is what bothers me though:

    The words of Ayatollah Komeini:

    Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini

    "Those who know nothing about Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those people are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!' Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by the infidel? Islam says: 'Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter them.' Islam says: 'Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword.' The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."


    Now be so kind as to explain how these are words of justice, kindness and love for humanity. Sounds like a declaration of war to me. Makes me think: "Hell fire! I'd just as soon shoot a muz as look at one." Reckon I would too, if I wouldn't go to jail over it. Take his scalp too! That always warms the cockles of my savage soul.
  • First of all i want to say that the '' Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini '' where did you take this from ? Quran and authentic hadiths are the only source for Islam, where in the Quran do you find this ? just give me a single verse from the Quran that says to kill anyone.
    As for the sword : This is also a misconception. Nothing is far from the truth. It was the Islamic traders who served as excellent role models in the spread of Islam. In the book: "Islam at crossroads", the author, on page 8, says that this belief is a myth. Look at the number of Coptic Christians in Egypt. They number 14 million. Couldn't the Arabs have wiped them out or forcefully converted them to Islam? Look at India. In the 1,0000 years that the Muslims ruled over this subcontinent, every one could have been forcefully converted to Islam. How can you explain that there are 800 million Hindus and others still in India? Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia to convert them? These people converted by seeing the good behaviors of the Muslim/Arab traders. Readers' Digest says that between 1944 and 1984, a period of 50 years, saw more conversion to Islam in Europe and USA than to any faith. I am asking you, who went with a sword to convert these people to Islam? It is the sword of the intellect that converts people.

    The glorious Quran clearly says : Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful exhortation. Reason with them most decently : 16: 25

    Are not this words of justice, kindness and love for humanity ?

    The Quran also says: whoever kills a person, whetever he is beliver or non-believer, it is as he has killes al mankind

    On that account, We decreed to the Children of Israel (the Eternal Moral Ordinance for all humanity 2:178) that whoever kills a human being, unless it be for murder or bloody crimes on the earth, it would be as if he killed all mankind. And whoever saves the life of one human being it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with evident truth, yet, even after this, many of them continue to commit excesses in the land. 5:32

    It is a crime to kill any human being, whetever it is believer on non-believer.

    In my last reply i presented to you what the Quran says. How can you then say what it SHOULD BE ? don't judge Islam by Islam-haters

    Do you know who actually did 9/11 ? NO, you only know what the media represented. We have thousands of prooves that it was not done by any Muslim. I'll give you them if you want so. because i don't want to make that ''2 years long answer again '' ehhehe. By the way the last reply didn't take me more than 1 hour, i got to this site by chance and read these false charges against Islam and decided to clear/ correct it up.

    Can you also tell me, why almost everyday it is a bomb-blast in pakistan ? why suicide bombing ? Pakistan is a Islamic country.. why are there bomb-blasts in our mosques ? do you still think it is muslims who are doing this ? if yes, give me a single verse from the Quran which tells muslim to do this. Only a ill-minded stubborn can now believe that muslims are doing all this.

    My english is not so good, I'm a pakistani from norway so you may find many mistakes.

    Hope that was satsifying answers. If you want more information or have other question or if i forgot to answer any of ur question. You are most welcome to ask again.

    take care and bye

    btw u can visit my site : www.muhammad-perfect.weebly.com and clear many of ur misconceptions and may Allah lead you to the right way.
  • Odyssia
    You defend the Quran on the grounds that it does not tell people to set off bombs. Bombs were known 1400 years ago? Of course they were, but the Quran told everyone not to use them, right? Did they have nuclear weapons, too? What an object of ridicule you are. By the way, tell us who is exploding the bombs in Pakistan's mosques. The Falun Gong?
  • Zoheb
    Hey.. i didn't get ur question neither did i understand much of what u wrote except the last question. Can you tell me who is exploding the bombs in Pakistan's mosques ? And please repeat your other questions in a easier way ( as i have told before, my english is very weak )
  • Tonto
    Evidently, you don't get it. Are you stupid or just in denial about the deadly insanity of islam? The proof of the insanity is the daily body count racked up by islam. And they don't care WHO they kill! Did you know that muslims are 8 TIMES more likely to kill other muslims than they are any other group? Khomeini said that shit in a speech back in 1982....and nothing to do with islam? The puke was a highly respected "scholar" and religious leader in the muz world...a flaming asshole in ours. And by the way, in the koran alone, there are 138 passages referring to the correct islamic application of violence....read your own flippin' book. I know, as books go, it's a total piece of shit, but you're the one that claims it's "perfect" and written by allah.
    I have a couple of suggestions. Learn arabic so you can read the shit in the koran without some dumb ass imam "translating" or interpreting it for you. Keep your answers shorter so people will actually read them instead of picking up the general tone and skipping most of it. Realize that even though you think your viewpoint is valid, it is not at all valid to many of the people that post here. And lastly, please be so kind as to answer hellosnackbar's question. If the paradise of islamic countries is so wonderful, righteous and blessed, why the fuck are so many people fleeing to the west? Aside from the fact that there is a lot of killing of everybody, that they can't even grow their own food in many of them, and so many muslim dominated countries are shitholes, why are muslims coming to the lands of the infidel?
    Oh, and by the way, the muslim advance on India was stopped by Genghis Khan and his boys when they kicked the shit out of islam and threatened to obliterate islam, and kept it that way for about 200 years. Enough time for the Hindus to get their shit together and become too strong for muslim armies. The muslim armies actually ran out of steam and had to recede because they were getting their asses kicked almost everywhere. They have a real aptitude for taking an ass kicking right now. Israel regularly uses muslim forces for target practice and kicks their asses every time. The US Army and Marines ran through muslim armies like shit through a tin horn. The last army the US ran through fought Iran's armies to a standstill for 8 years. One million people were killed per year in that war, and the US ran through Saddam's brave army in DAYS. The Israelis defeated several muz armies in DAYS. That ought to tell you something. Muz are coming to the west, and I'm sure they will cause trouble, death, destruction and misery. Then the west will kill them all. I'd look for another religion if I was you.
  • hellosnackbar
    Hells teeth Zoheb it looks like you've assumed the mantle of chief turd polisher;a position recently vacated by Shukri.
    The Ayatoilet Khomenei somehow survived into old age.
    If the late Shah had had any sense he would have implanted a bullet into the old bigot's brain.
    And saved the rest of the world a bundle of trouble.
  • Zoheb
    I didn't understand a single thing of what u just said now. Still it seems like ur talking about something else than what has to be discussed here. I challenge you and all of your friends on this site to answer my earlier comments... why are no one of you answering ? because you have no answer... ! Whatever you guys have claimed about woman here.. i have prooved it wrong.. now ur job is to proove me wrong. I'm open to answer any of ur misconceptions. But if u don't have anything else than bullshit to talk about then it's best that u don't comment here. It is so funny how you can call me mad... can u give me the reason ? someone had misconception about Islam and i removed these misconception... it is to be intelligent or mad ? Pleaseeee let us not talk about other thing than what are being discussed. Actually there is no discussion bcz u guys have no answer. It is only me who are posting comments and no one answer my comments but instead starts talking bullshit. And now try to first answer my earlier comments. I don' t know which shukri ur talking about but now it's Zoheb. If uuu evennnnnnnnnn gather alllllllll the Islam-haters and try to answer my earlier comments... u'll not succeed, bcz Islam is perfect religion and Men and Woman have equal rights.

    Once again, my english is not so good so do not try to focus on how i writted but instead focus on what i writted.

    remember the challenge.. byeeeee
  • hellosnackbar
    Zoheb you are Muslim of Pakistani origin living in NORWAY.
    Why not Pakistan?that's a rhetorical question by the way.
    Rhetorical question means a question that I know the answer to.
    For some strange reason immigrants from Muslim countries import themselves and sadly their culture in the form of a supremacist dogma known as Islam;and have the audacity to demand respect for the same.
    We the Kufr regard Islam as a dangerous 7th century death cult which seeks to undermine our developed culture and replace it by that ordained by your murdering illiterate so called prophet.
    If you visit www.religionofpeace.com you'll see a daily score of dead bodies which your poisonous incompatible culture
    creates.
    Imagine that I stood on a box in the centre of Karachi and shouted to a gathering of Muslims that Islam was a ridiculous fairy tale;and that people who believe in Allah the imaginary are deluding themselves.
    How long would I remain standing?
    Yet cheeky Muslims have the temerity to suggest that we Kufr are unenlightened; by uneducated peasants from the third world;and we should embrace Allah the idiot as our deity.
    Furthermore when they feel hurt they start murderous campaigns(currently MI5 in the UK have 2500 Muslim radicals under observation.
    We don't respect your murderous dogma just as you don't respect our civilisation.
    You mistakenly believe in the myth of your own superiority;and yet behave as parasites on the social system that our taxes pay for.
    What do you bring us that makes you useful in western society Zoheb.
    I would hazard a guess of either nothing or very little.
    And why did you leave the Islamic paradise of Paki?
    I think you ought to tell us!
  • Zoheb
    As for ur questions my sister / brother in Islam ( muslimapower ) answered u. So i won't repeat it again. ( again i didn't understand much of what u wrote ) please try to use easier english so i can understand what u r writing.

    Do you know how many muslims are dying everyday ? do you know who are killing them ? did you know that Americans killed over 50 000 people in one country JUST because they suspected some terrorist there... and did you know what they said to the people afther they come to know that there was no terrorist there... they just said : sorry. After Killing over 50 000 innocent people : children, elders, woman.... they say sorry ? what do you have to say about this ? when did i say that i don't respect ur civilisation ? Allah almighty tells us to respect all religions. If u don't want to believe in Allah, don't do it. The truth is clear from falsehood and there is no cumplosory in the religion. One more thing... Our beloved prophet Muhammad ( pbuh ) is mercy to the whole mankind and was not illiterate.

    Please let me know if i didn'nt answer any of ur questions and do it in a easy english so i'm able to answer this.
  • muslimapower<3
    hellosnackbar,

    it's muslima363, i'm just signing in as a guest for now.

    i haven't been on for a long time, so i finally got updated on what's going on.

    please quit asking zubar about where he lives (just like you keep bringing up my age, schooling, and professional ambitions) and quit making fun of him just cuz he's a paki who doesn't live there.

    the issue here is ISLAM. not pakistan or something. the middle east is working out their own problems, so let's just leave it @ that. it's not connected to islam. "islam" is not equivelant to pakistan or saudi arabia. it is a religion that brings ppl together, not seperates them by borders. SO SHUT UP. and address the REAL question that we muslims have been asking for such a long time.

    one comment that you made completely pisses me off. i assume you like in Britian b/c u spell "pediatrics" as "paedriatrics". muslims make up a significant population of Britian, and we pay taxes just like everyone else, so either shut up or deal with shitty schools. clear?

    we do not treat other religions like CRAP like you treat us nor do we talk about them, or curse their god.

    next time u have some comment to make about islam, i want you and other haters to considering the following.

    If you are Christian or Jewish, i think that you should know that Muslims are REQUIRED BY ALLAH to respect these religions b/c that is originally where islam came from. and i'm not talking about "modified" christianity or judism. the real ones that came down from earth.

    well, judism came first. we believe in moses, so jews, you believe in a part of judism so you guys (JEWHAWK) sound so stupid and dumb when you cuss out islam.

    we believe the ppl changed the religion so Allah was not happy with them.

    Next came Christianity. We believe in Jesus and Mary, except we don't believe Jesus is God or Son of God. Christians changed the Bible (there's proof, look it up) and Allah again was not happy.

    After many prophets (the Quran specifically says "thousands upon thousands of Prophets were sent upon you") Allah finally said that Muhammad (PBUH) would be the last one. Hence, islam. it reformed the Arab culture, GIVING WOMEN RESPECT AND RIGHTS.

    The "Jewish" god and Allah are the same. The Christians who believe that Jesus is NOT god or the son of god believe in Allah too, except they call him god while Muslims call him "Allah".

    hope i educated you a bit, you could really use it.

    signing off,

    muslima363
  • "After many prophets (the Quran specifically says "thousands upon thousands of Prophets were sent upon you") Allah finally said that Muhammad (PBUH) would be the last one. Hence, islam. it reformed the Arab culture, GIVING WOMEN RESPECT AND RIGHTS."
    So Muslima......it came from Muhammad that "Allah said there will be no more prophets". Allah only told Muhammad this huh? Second, is it factual to say that Muhammad married a 9 year old girl? I have read that the majority of Muslims believe this, while a minority disagree. In my book that positively, absolutely does not give women respect & rights.
  • Zoheb
    Allah in many scriputers mentioned the comming of the last prophet Muhammad ( pbuh )

    The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

    "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".


    prophet Muhammad is mentioned in the bible : old testament and new testament, in hindu scriptures, jew scriptures and parsis scriptures. For those who want to read it themeselves. Just let me know.
  • This is a common misconception with Muslims. The Bible is not referring to Muhhamad. It is referring to God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit. If you take the passages out of context (sound familiar?) you could think they talk of Muhhamad (if that is your agenda), but they would have to be contradicting the rest of the Bible to be referring to him. If you'd like the links to read about this, I have some that explain 7 different passages commonly mistaken in this way.
  • Zoheb
    Let me clear up your misconception : Read the following and then let me know who it is refered to.

    Old Testament



    The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

    "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

    Prophet Muhammad, prophesised in the Book of Deuteronomy:


    Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."


    The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.


    If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.


    However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):


    Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.
    [Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]


    Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.


    Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)


    Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).


    Words in the mouth:


    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." [Deuteronomy 18:18]


    Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).


    Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
    people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."


    Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).


    It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

    "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."


    New Testament


    Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:


    "And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "


    All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

    John chapter 14 verse 16:
    "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."


    Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
    "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."


    Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
    "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".


    "Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.

    Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

    Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).


    Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

    "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
    come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

    The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).


    NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.
  • Zoheb
    Prophet Muhammad ( pbuh ) did not marry a 9 year old girl. Hazrat Aisha ( RA ) was 48 years and not 9.

    Contrary to the Imamist propaganda, the exalted Prophet had no more than one wife at a time. And Hazrat Ayesha was a sister, not daughter of Hazrat Abu Bakr. The Prophet (S) did not marry for three years after Hazrat Khadijah’s demise in Makkah three years before Hijrah. Hazrat Ayesha was the widow of a martyr, Saleh bin Saleh Al-’Ataib. She was 48 years old at the time of marriage to the exalted Prophet. Sahaba Kiraam including Hazrat Abu Bakr strongly recommended that the Prophet (S) and she got into the solemn union of marriage. The blessed wedding took place in 622 CE when Muhammad (S) was 52 years old. Kitab-e-Dalail-e-Nabawwut Syedna Muhammad (S), by Abdul Jabbar Fatimi, written 150 years before Tabari, the first ever ‘canonized’ historian. Azwaaj-in-Nabi wal-Ashaab, by Sheikh Hammad bin Hakam. The rest is nothing but slanderous.

    Other wives

    The exalted Prophet was now also Head of the State. Quite a few Muslims had been killed in battles and by persecution. There were women who accepted Islam while their husbands did not. The Qur’an does not allow a Muslim woman to remain wedded to a Non-Muslim. In these circumstances, there were many women and their children who needed shelter. The Prophet (S) and his companions accommodated them in their homes. To prevent slander, these widows and divorcees simply signed marriage contracts in their new households.

    I can proove the statement of being 9 absoulutely wrong from the same book that says she was 9. I will post it as a new comment since some people says my answers are too long so i will post a new comment for those who are intressted.



    During the blessed times, the Central Government run with Shura used to issue a deed of marriage to all women seeking asylum with Rasool (S) and Sahaba Kiraam in order to prevent slander. This is the reason why the Qur’an mentions the exalted Prophet’s wives in plural. Please reflect on the many shades of the meaning of Nikah. Also consider why NONE BUT Hazrat Khadijah bore any children to the exalted Prophet.
  • Sorry you're comments got flagged automatically. I approved them so they should be showing now. Thanks.
  • muslima363
    allow me to tell you the story of Aisha.

    she was the daughter of Abu Bakar, the Prophet (PBUH)'s best friend. she was nine when she was married to the prophet (PBUH) but she didn't live with him until she was fully grown up. so it's not like she was some child who went and lived with her Dad's best friends, k?

    the Prophet (PBUH) did not marry his wives for lust or simply cuz he was a perv. (nausbillah) see, when there was war back then, many women were becoming widowed. so Allah permitted men to have more than one wife, as long as they were treated EQUALLY.

    back then, women did not work outside the home, it was just the way it was, not concerning islam or anything. they had children they had to support.

    SO, the prophet (PBUH) married these women to give them a place to live, and gave all of their children the best education.
  • JEWHAWK
    Poor Muslima ( Price : $ 363,00)

    Muslims are a burden to the world. Nothing
    good came from muslims...no vaccines...
    no scientific contribution in the last 500
    years...

    Muslims are beneath a fetid, fly-ridden, clogged toilet bow
    sporting fresh turds and urine.
    Even microbes are worthier, nobler, prettier life forms than
    the muslim orcs.

    You are another BRAINLESS islamic humanoid, a
    species called Islamopithecus Imbecilicus.

    Within 500 years, you'll evolve to the Neanderthal's
    level.

    Until then, you and your filthy ilk will remain being useless, savage and bloodthirsty morons.

    You all should be STERILIZED with radiation.
  • Zoheb
    you didn't answer my comments... do you want more on Science and Islam ? here : and plizzz answer my last reply to you too.

    Where Did Everything Come From?

    What is the proof?

    Islam tells us Allah is both The Creator & The Evolver, of all that exits. We know Allah did not evolve us from monkeys, and we know all things are from Allah. Please share this information with those who deny the existence of God. They need it.

    There is a popular theory referred to as the 'Big Bang' theory. It tries to explain the existence of the universe in an evolutionary manner having an initial beginning with an immense explosion of some gases or solid mass. Some say there first was a void or ’nothingness’, or perhaps, some gases which exploded then from this everything in the universe simply began to evolve to the stage that we see now. There has never really been any solid evidence for this idea of 'something out of nothing' concept. Nor for that matter, the evolutionary theory itself.

    We would like to explore the idea of creation from a purely logical standpoint using simple terminology without religious hype, emotional pre-convictions or superstitions.

    What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this:

    A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile.. with no left over parts.. and the motor is running..

    Or what if his theory for how a chair is made is:

    An explosion occurs in a forest and the trees go flying into the air and then suddenly they combine with some flying cloth to make a beautiful chair... and then it lands in a furniture showroom complete with matching table and lamp...

    He further explains that:

    An earthquake in California's 'Silicon Valley' causes the computer chips and circuit boards and other various parts to fall out of their boxes and off of their shelves and just come in place together as they are rolling around on the floor and form the most advanced technical computers existing on the earth?...

    Or what of his 'Medicine Theory'? He now claims that:

    A gas leak in a pharmacy warehouse causes a terrific explosion. All the different chemicals and substances just smash into each other in exactly the correct amounts to produce a miracle drug which cures everything form cancer to heart and liver disease, old age and warts?...

    Wait... there's more to this one:

    It is all in one formula, packaged in the bottles with labels and ready to sell with no mess left on the floor?...

    Now after all this exploding and excitement this 'scientist' tells you of a great place to relax and have something to eat. It is his favorite place and he calls it: "Burger Blast"! He says:

    You just go in and sit down and suddenly a 'blast' from the kitchen occurs and immediately a burger lands right in front of you with all the trimmings.. just the way you like it complete with fries, a drink and even your favorite dessert?...

    AND...

    No one works at "Burger Blast", it just runs itself, automatically cleaning itself and as you leave it scans your billfold for a valid credit card and charges your bank account for what you have eaten?...

    Now the question is: "Are you really going to accept any of this as 'fact'?"

    Of course not!

    We wouldn't believe a new car is made from flying junk; chairs don't fall down from exploding trees; earthquakes do not produce computers and blasting burgers don't rain down on us from above.

    Question: So how come we don't challenge a theory of something coming from nothing and then colliding in the cosmos to make the universe? Is it because of its tremendous magnitude that we have so little comprehension about it, that we are willing to accept any theory from a few telescope 'peeping Toms' to tell us that it came from 'nothingness'? Or just some gases colliding and then... 'Poof'!? Instant Universe? How?

    Let us now come to our main subject:




    Creation or Explosion?

    We can turn our attention to the earth and the heavens and make observations on our own without a 'genius' scientist telling us what we are seeing. And then the idea that nothing is sustaining the heavens and the earth! - 'It just runs itself'? How?

    Think about the stars, the sun, the moon and the countless solar systems and galaxies in the universe.
    Who or What created them in the first place?
    They continue to function and move with the utmost precision and accuracy.
    Who does this? Who keeps them gliding along on their courses and orbits preordained for them?

    The Quran on the Origin of the Universe

    Look closer to the heaven surrounding the earth. We call it the 'sky'. Notice the clouds? What are they?

    The Quran on Clouds

    Let us now bring our gaze a bit closer to earth. Consider the mountains and their majesty. Is there anything about these massive formations that may give us a clue as to the origin of creation?

    The Quran on Mountains

    What about the water covering the earth? Is there another clue hiding beneath the seas?

    The Quran on Deep Seas and Internal Waves

    Water covers so much of the earth and even mixes with the land in rivers and streams. Yet is there something keeping it from mixing with itself? What is contained in this mystery of separation of waters?

    The Quran on Seas and Rivers

    What about us? Are we are part of creation? How did we begin? What develops us and causes us to live and die? How are we sustained?

    The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

    Think about the humans. How did we all get here? What is the nature of mankind? What causes us to act as we do? Are we ungrateful to the One who created us and sustains us? What is this clue? Think about yourself. Did you create yourself?

    The Quran on the Cerebrum (forehead area of the brain in humans)

    Who or What created all this? Who is sustaining everything? How do organisms reproduce themselves? How can a tree grow up out of a seed?
  • Zoheb, I had to come to your disqus profile page to view your comments. I have no idea how or why they are being deleted. From all I have seen, John (Infidelesto) has always left all comments up & that has been his policy. He states he has never deleted comments unless they make no sense ( bad English maybe) What I HAVE noticed is seeing "comment flagged for review". I don't know who is doing the flagging. I did get your comment in my e-mail as it was a reply to my comment. Maybe the flagger didn't get to it before it hit my inbox?
    Anyway, if I see your comments flagged I will come here to your profile. Will reply to Muhhamad in the Bible next :)
  • JEWHAWK
    Qur'anus = SHIT
  • wajahal huqqu wa jahaqal batil
    Jewish women are basically — in reality, in everyday life — governed by Old Testament law. So much for equality of the sexes. The Orthodox rabbis make most of the legal decisions that have a direct impact on the status of women and the quality of women's lives. They have the final say on all issues of "personal status," which feminists will recognize as the famous private sphere in which civilly subordinate women are traditionally imprisoned. The Orthodox rabbis decide questions of marriage, adultery, divorce, birth, death, legitimacy; what rape is; and whether abortion, battery, and rape in marriage are legal or illegal. [...]
    So read this quote from the Talmud

    A GENTILE GIRL who works for Jews on their sabbath is called a Schaw-wesschicksel, Sabbath Dirt
  • Guest
    Jewish women are basically — in reality, in everyday life — governed by Old Testament law. So much for equality of the sexes. The Orthodox rabbis make most of the legal decisions that have a direct impact on the status of women and the quality of women's lives. They have the final say on all issues of "personal status," which feminists will recognize as the famous private sphere in which civilly subordinate women are traditionally imprisoned. The Orthodox rabbis decide questions of marriage, adultery, divorce, birth, death, legitimacy; what rape is; and whether abortion, battery, and rape in marriage are legal or illegal. [...]
    So read this quote from the Talmud

    A GENTILE GIRL who works for Jews on their sabbath is called a Schaw-wesschicksel, Sabbath Dirt
  • Zoheb
    Heheh whata joke. Have you made any vaccine ? have you done anything scientific ? NO, go and ask these scientists where and how they are getting these ideas. The answer will be : from the Quran, , from the Prophet Muhammad ( pbuh ), so they are getting many of these from Muslims. do you even want the name of these people ? here : Prof. Gerald G. Goeringer, Prof. William W. Hey, Prof. T. V. N. Persaud, Prof. E. Marshall Johnson and many more....

    let us just take one example from for example atronomy :

    Muslims have always had a special interest in astronomy. The moon and the sun are of vital importance in the daily life of every Muslim. By the moon, Muslims determine the beginning and the end of the months in their lunar calendar. By the sun the Muslims calculate the times for prayer and fasting. It is also by means of astronomy that Muslims can determine the precise direction of the Qiblah, to face the Ka'bah in Makkah, during prayer.
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    Proof from Science

    Evolution? Creation?

    "Big Bang" - BUSTED!

    Scientists Confirm Quran Miracles (videos)

    Science: Contributions from Islam

    Astrolabe
    The most precise solar calendar, superior to the Julian, is the Jilali, devised under the supervision of Umar Khayyam.

    The Quran contains many references to astronomy:

    "And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming."


    [Noble Quran 21:33]

    These references, and the injunctions to learn, inspired the early Muslim scholars to study the heavens. They integrated the earlier works of the Indians, Persians and Greeks into a new synthesis.

    Ptolemy's Almagest (the title as we know it today is actually Arabic) was translated, studied and criticized. Many new stars were discovered, as we see in their Arabic names - Algol, Deneb, Betelgeuse, Rigel, Aldebaran. Astronomical tables were compiled, among them the Toledan tables, which were used by Copernicus, Tycho Brahe and Kepler.

    Also compiled were almanacs - another Arabic term. Other terms from Arabic are zenith, nadir, Aledo, azimuth.

    Muslim astronomers were the first to establish observatories, like the one built at Mugharah by Hulagu, the son of Genghis Khan, in Persia, and they invented instruments such as the quadrant and astrolabe, which led to advances not only in astronomy but in oceanic navigation, contributing to the European age of exploration.

    Answer this ...
  • JEWHAWK
    MEANINGLESS.

    Jews are clearly SUPERIOR to ALL muslims put together.
    Muslims are beneath TICKS.

    A Clogged toilet bowl full of turds is more attractive than Islam.
  • zoheb
    Heheheh are we discussing what you mean ?
  • Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry that that post with all the links came out looking like a can of worms! Hope you can decipher it!
  • Ooops, hit reply before I was done!
    My beliefs are from Christian apologetics. Here is one site I like & an explanation of Deuteronomy 18:15-18 http://www.carm.org/does-deuteronomy-18-15-18-p...
    Deut. 33:2- http://www.carm.org/does-deuteronomy-33-2-predi...
    Deuteronomy 34:10-http://www.carm.org/does-deuteronomy-34-10-predict-muhammad
    Psalm 45:3-5-http://www.carm.org/does-psalm-45-3-5-predict-muhammad
    Isaiah 21:7-http://www.carm.org/does-isaiah-21-7-predict-muhammad
    Habakkuk 3:3-http://www.carm.org/does-habakkuk-3-3-predict-muhammad
    John 14:16-http://www.carm.org/does-john-14-16-predict-muhammad
    This verse says “And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever" - Jesus, in the same passage identifies this as the Holy Spirit.

    To me, many of the comparisons of Jesus to Muhhamad are not relevant to the verses Muslims believe speak of Mohhamad. (ie; the prophecies mention nothing of marriage of the said prophet.
    As for Aisha.....I will look into it further!
  • Since your post about Muhhamad in Bible prophecy was flagged, there is no reply button. So, I reply here!
    Muslims believe the Bible is referring to Muhhamad based on passages form the Quran.
  • muslima363
    oh jeez JEWHAWK. your concern and respect for me is really touching.

    Damn, i'm so glad i'm not as hateful to Jews as you are to Muslims...must really suck to have nothing better to do than hate, huh?
  • I cannot find your reply about Aisha in the thread (?) & there is no reply button on the disqus page.
    Where have you learned Aisha's age? Was that taught to you, or have you read about it? Because I am finding all sources (not anti-Islamic mind you) say Aisha was 6 when she married Muhhamad, at 9 she joined his house & the marriage was consummated. Even Wikipedia says only one source (al-Tabari) says she was 10. Not a big difference. So, what........what you learned is right & all other accounts are just a smear campaign?
  • Zoheb
    Why are my comments being removed ? I answered you 2 times that Hazrat Aisha was 48 years and i'll give u prooves when i'm sure my comment wont be removed. Bcz i can't give u all the prooved and after some time everything is removed
  • I have not seen any of your replies, even in my e-mail alerts from Disqus (?)
  • Zoheb
    i don't understand why my comments are being removed. I have earlier also told that Hazrat Aisha ( RA ) was 48 years and not 6 or 9. OK, as you say that it is in the muslim websites and also wikipedia, right ? the story of Hazrat Aisha RA is from Tabarri, right ? then why does the statements contradict each other and proove that Hazrat Aisha was 48 years ? I have replied earlier but seems like people here are afraid to know the truth and afraid that no one here accepts Islam. What i have learned is right bcz i didn't reject all other accounts but from all other account i came to a conclusion... A book written even 150 years before tabarri : says that Hazrat Aisha RA was 48 years... us ur common sence and think... I will give u more prooves from the same book that says she was 9 that she was NOT 9. But first let me know when you will delete my comments ?

    It is so funny how u people don't answer my comments but instead start talking about other things and delete my comments. I'm only here to clear ur misconceptions.

    i have cleared up the misconception about woman in islam , Hazrat Aisha's age, islam was not spread by sword, and much more... but u guys have locked the doors of ur mind and either delete my comments, or talk about other things.

    Do you know how many innocent people are killed in Afghanistan And Iraq by americans ? according to my information it is around: 800.000... what do you call it ? is this not terrorism ? where is the western media ? where are peace makers ? It is we muslim Ummah who are the peace makers and peace lovers.

    Are the life of aghans and iraq not worth anything ? can u give me a reason to why american killed around 800.000 people ONLY IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ ? why don't u call them terrorists ? what have the innocent people done to these americans ?

    Why are american soldiers still in countrys like afghanistan and iraq and doing what ever they like. WAKEEE UPPPP.

    By the way :

    A Pakistani PhD. Having 144 Honorary Degrees & Certificates, In Neurology, From Different Institutes Of The World,
    The Only Neurologist In The World Have The Honorary Ph.d From Harvard University ,
    Hafiz-e-Quraan,
    Aalima,
    Not Even A Single American Matches her Qualifications,
    Was Kidnapped along with her 3 children, By the FBI from Karachi, With Help of Our Government Alleging Connection with Al-Qaeeda,
    Now She is in USA prison,
    Having Lost Memory, Due to physical, Psychological & Sexual Torture,
    She is Imprisoned with Men.

    What do u say about this ? what did she do ? and why are muslim people put to jail and tortured without haveing done anything.

    One muslim girl was killed in a court of germany in front of the police and when the husband of this muslim girl tried to save her, the police shoot and killed her husband and the other person who was brought to the court killed the muslim girl with knife ( many times with knife ). Where were ur free western media ?

    This is just some examples. Be so kind and answer this.
  • Zoheb
    Here i will proove you that Hazrat Aisha was 48 years and not 6 or 9. First let us agree on that the statement of Hazrat Aisha's being 6 or 9 is from Bukhari & Muslims ( hadith book ).Hazrat Ayesha was a sister, not daughter of Hazrat Abu Bakr. The Prophet (S) did not marry for three years after Hazrat Khadijah’s demise in Makkah three years before Hijrah. Hazrat Ayesha was the widow of a martyr, Saleh bin Saleh Al-’Ataib. She was 48 years old at the time of marriage to the exalted Prophet. Sahaba Kiraam including Hazrat Abu Bakr strongly recommended that the Prophet (S) and she got into the solemn union of marriage. The blessed wedding took place in 622 CE when Muhammad (S) was 52 years old. Kitab-e-Dalail-e-Nabawwut Syedna Muhammad (S), by Abdul Jabbar Fatimi, WRITTEN 150 YEARS BEFORE TABARI. The same hadith book that claims our beloved mother Hazrat Aisha's being 9 contradicts these statements in the same book by for example ( i'm just giving one example and there is manyyy moreeee hadiths in the same book that contradict Hazrat Aisha's being 9.

    1. example : Right after Prophet Muhammad ( pbuh ) with our beloved Mother Hazrat Aisha (RA ) went to a battle. All those people who were under 15 was sent back because it was a rule that no-one under 15 could participate in the battle. ( How then Hazrat Aisha was in the battle ) ? Just remember it is only one example from the same hadith book. if needed i'll give more solid prooves.

    Hazrat Aisha was 48 years and not 6 or 9.
  • abc
    who ever you are you need to do a better job at learning , reading and understand , It is very clear from your article that you read with your eyes closed, brain half sleep because clearly you are qouting parts of versus without the complete context and are yourself confused and are not a doing a good job conveying your message.
  • Beejj
    Oh, God! Not another one! OK, give us the correct versions of these verses. Many of your ilk have told us that the verses quoted here are wrong, and all have been asked for corrections. Strangely - significantly? - none has complied. Will you, or are you just another Mohammedan who just feels uncomfortable that the truth is out for all to see? One Muslima idiot actually said that the Koran REALLY says that a husband may only beat his wife using a leaf! Can you improve on that?
  • muslima363
    hello Beejj. long time no debate? Opening the Quran is the truest education about Islam. Open it, just once.

    And Beejj, you insult all the muslims on here. let me ask you a question.

    Why are Christians and Jews forming fake sites about Islam to further Muslim hate?
    What are Christians distributing fake Qurans in Kuwait to teach Muslims false Islam?

    All the times you have personally insulted me, i have not said the same meanful, hateful things to you. I will never cuss you out, or insult your religion no matter how upset i get. You know why Beejj? Because I'm Muslim.

    A couple of weeks ago, when i first discovered this site while doing a sunday school project, i was pissed. extremely. i was so mad @ u, hellosnackbar, and Christine_S b/c you repeatedly wrote such obscene things about Islam.

    But not anymore. I read the Quran every day now, and i found peace. i don't get mad when you post you comments anymore. i haven't posted in a long time, true, but i've been reading your comments for months.

    If a MUSLIM is telling you they found peace by reading the Quran or that they declared that they will never disrespect you the way you are disrespecting them, DOESN'T THAT TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT ISLAM?

    i'm still young, i could have been influenced by your lies, but i believe strongly in my faith. and i know that one day, if you do not convert to Islam, you will actually learn the truth about, and you will learn to respect it just like after reading the Quran and learning about Islam, i learned to respect you and your ideas and thoughts.

    Good lucky Beejj.

    --muslima363
  • Tonto
    Please allow me to throw my Pagan 2 cents in. If you find peace in islam, God love you. Christian and Jewish sites don't have to make things up to condemn islam, islam does a dandy job all by it's self. Do you realize that, as a muz, you are 8 times more likely to be killed by a muz? That's a stat from the CNN news, not a site. Also, I keep asking the question and never get an answer, why have there been 14,806 incidents of jihadi attacks on others (attacks by MUSLIMS) since 9/11/2001, if islam is so peaceful? Please relate to me how you feel when you read, in your handy-dandy koran, one of the 138 passages about the correct application of violence according to islam? Please tell me how the "correct" islamic application of violence is any different, by any standard, of your garden variety violence practiced, say, in a brawl in a bar. Violence is violence ain't it? Like, what, exactly is the difference between me busting a beer bottle and cutting your throat vs. a muz killing his daughter because she wears nail polish? I see you muz apologists diddy bop on to sites claiming that islam is so "peaceful" but my newspaper and the news on TV says you're a liar. For instance, 2006 and 2007 saw piles of dead muz in Iraq, but Americans weren't killing them. They were shia killing sunni and vice verse. So, what's up with that? You got to give a daily dose of bullshit to the world to justify your existence? Does your imam punish you for not exercising your taqiyya skills?......or do you just do that on your own? Do you realize that by living in a western country you probably quadruple your chances of living a long and happy life just because you do not live in a muz/sharia controlled environment? Girl, please cut the bullshit and crawl back in your hole. You turned muz, bless your pea pickin' heart, now live with it and keep your islamic crapola to your self. I get real tired of muz apologists and the BS. Thank you for letting me "share".
  • muslima363
    let me make some points clear.

    the quran has 114 passages. real informed, aren't we Tonto? great, just great. tell a Muslim that all 138 passages of the Quran are about violence. totally. you know sooooo much about islam, i can totally tell.

    secondly, sunnis killing shias is wrong. i am against that and i know that islam doesn't permit this. time for you to cut the BS cuz i have shia friends, and i happen to be sunni. and if you really look at it, no one side is "right" we are all brothers and sisters in islam.

    what is happening in the middle east is the truth. it's really happening. and i am not gonna go around saying that it is not. and i'm really against it, and if you asked any muslim, they would think that killing other ppl is just WRONG.

    especially bombing mosques on fridays. that is BEYOND wrong in my opinion.

    so i'm not the "radical" muslim you see on the news, ok?

    P.S: nope, not "turned muz". i was born muslim. :)
  • Beejj
    Oh, Muslima! See what lack of education does for you? Just consider your final words to Tonto: "I was born Muslim." Can't you see the idiocy of this? You were, at the moment of birth, persuaded of the truth of the words of your prophet? You knew immediately his precepts? You knew at age zero what religious path to follow? Could you read the Koran as soon as you popped out, or did you already know its "wisdom"? Poor girl, I pity you. I pity the whole sorry, rotten lot of you. Find solace in your blindness, you poor, brainwashed fool.
  • Tonto
    Sorry, there are 138 "mentions" of the correct usage of violence in that shit book...OK? Know how our troops could ascertain the religion of the victims in the "death houses" they found in Iraq? The sunni had their throats cut, were shot, burned or beheaded because they were killed by the relatively lo-tech shia. The shia were killed by power drills, saws-alls and other hi-tech means of torture and murder. During 2006-2007 in Iraq, there were 50,000-75,000 muz killed in Iraq....98% of which were killed by other muz. This has been true all over the world. In the 14, 810 "jihadi" attacks, world wide, 70% of those attacks were muz killing muz....evidently for not being the "correct" kind of muz or for not being muz enough. Peddle your bullshit somewhere that people don't have the facts and figures, or are uneducated as to how fucked up islam really is. You're very fortunate that you live in the USA, where, at the very least, they'll try to track down and punish your daddy or your brother when they execute you for not being islamic enough....and they probably won't kill you or kill your teachers for allowing you to go to school. In other places you would never have the freedom you have here....believe it or not. Muz leave the M/E and infest other places and try to tell people that the shitholes they fled were so wonderful....if you believe that, really, really believe those places were so nice, you're either a retard or so stupid that you've never questioned why people aren't banging on the doors of the M/E or muz countries to get in and partake of islamic paradise. Also think about the growing number of apostates from islam......growing so much that one of the "supreme council" of Iran was on their national TV complaining about the growing problem of apostasy....at least until he was shut up. ou're just too ignorant for words girl. Get some non-muz education and expand your life.......or show how REALLY stupid you are and support Obama.
  • hellosnackbar
    I think she was using the word leaf "out of context"Beej!
    What she really meant was a leaf from an extendable table;which might be better described as a plank!
  • Basill
    I thought this site had some good quotes, but they're half quotes....not explained in the right context.

    seriously the bigger picture my friend is something you have to open you're eyes to.

    just to explain one of these quotes in context and prove that this site is advocating common misconceptions about the qur'an.

    a woman's inheritence can be the same and most of the time is, but when it is less it is because she has the option to whatever she wants with her money, whilst males in islam have many obligations which they can't escape. for example the responsibility of looking after her elderly parents will lie with her brother. what a woman owns in islam is 00 per cent hers. and no man can touch this without permission.

    islam had these laws in place while the western world still sold their woman on slave markets.

    who am i? not a muslim lover, just a person who "reads books"

    and all of it...instead of a sentence which you can apply in whatever way you wish.
  • As Beej said, NO ONE has explained them "in context". Would you like to do the honors?
  • I gotta say...."what a woman owns in islam is 00 per cent hers" is a pretty funny typo. Hhmmm, or IS that a typo?! lol!
  • Necrowulf
    "islam had these laws in place while the western world still sold their woman on slave markets"

    Islam is still doing that
  • Reality Check
    I love how you contorted the very purpose and meaning of these verses. Have you actually read the rest of the Quran? Or are you just pulling stuff out and adding on your own shit?- because that's what it looks like. Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about. If you DID know anything about Islam, then you might have known that in Islam, God has more mercy for women than men and that it is so important to treat them with the utmost respect.
  • Beejj
    There's enough shit in the Koran without John's adding any more. "Reality Check" indeed!
  • blah blah blah. same old tired argument. Please explain each verse in
    context oh genius one.
  • not very good but believe
    or you can open http://www.wakeupproject.com/VList.asp?Series=28

    watch it if you really think you've known all the truth..
  • Necrowulf
    I ...can't...stop...laughing... my...belly...hurts...so...much! hahahahahahahahahaah

    Really. The worse thing is, the person who made that thing took it seriously! Dude, that is nothing more than pure comedy!
  • not very good but believe
    oh dear you've blinded yourself I hope you'll open this http://www.wakeupproject.com/

    may God show you the light..
    amen
  • hellosnackbar
    Allah as I've pointed out before is singularly useless when offering guidance of any sort.
    Don't you think he'd be better employed "GUIDING" the mentally ill Muslims who spend their time dreaming up murderous outrages against both fellow Muslims and we infidels?
    Not much good is he?
    Of course non existence is a tad problematic in this regard.
    Tell me reality check does your reality include angels,djinns,and that angry monster Allah?
    Because if it does then you are sadly in need of a reality check.
  • Tonto
    illyrian, yeah, I know what albanian pukes are. I'm not impressed, nor with the Serbs either. I just think the Serbs , at least had the right idea in rubbing the islamic scum out and cleaning their country of them. Yeah, it's true that Clinton saved your sorry asses (piss be upon him). Albanians only think they're badasses because they haven't met real warriors yet(and they fight girls)... Keep talking shit though boy, you're just showing your ass.......remember, you're here, not there....that means you ran like the girlie boy you are.
  • Tonto
    This is the first time I read this particular post. It's very good You've managed to "nail it" I think. Problem is, these muz scumbags we get in here just refuse to look at islam objectively, or with any reason and sanity....they are so totally inculcated and inhibited, probably through fear. That's really the way that islam rules...Fear, total and final.
  • Tonto
    Jewhawk has so much of this right, and I got to comment. Personally, I think the Serbs had the right idea. Ethnic cleansing is a strategy that works, and has been demonstrated by every muslim country in the world. Hitler may even have gotten the idea for slaughtering the Jews from the muz. Hitler also had a Corps made up of Anti-semetic, fanatical, a la akbar screaming Croats and Albanians in his army. Armenia was decimated by the Turks using principles set down in the koran....word for word. The Turks even tattooed their slave/whores they stole from their families. The idea did not originate with the Serbs, and they were forced to quit long before they were as effective as they should have been. In Iraq and Iran, the Christians have been driven out and non-muz oppression has reached new heights in Iran. Even in the US, Dearborn is touted as the highest concentration of arabs outside the ME, but the Christian arabs chose to be apart from the muz arabs and moved out to other suburbs, notably Sterling Heights, to be away from the obnoxiousness of the muz. That's ethnic cleansing too. The reason I bring all this up is to emphasize that this crap has been going on for a long time. Now the muz are running into opposition and flipping the victim card at every opportunity. Too bad muz. Suck it up like you love it and get used to it. It ain't going to get no better. As we read these things here, people are being killed in the streets of Tehran and cities in Iran because they want to overthrow the "black robes". Strict islam is "on the run". There are MANY MORE converts FROM islam than TO islam......that is such a problem in the People's Islamic Republic of Iran that a mullah in the council even complained about it on their national TV........islam is doomed. Get used to that too.
  • illyrian
    dont mess with Albanians ...or than you will really know what means to have
    real problems..
    adn if serbs were right about their ethinc cleaning than u should stand up
    against your own governemtn that has supported us in our freedom fight. as
    for serbs bravery..i tell u they would hide during the night in their tanks
    and shoot scared to death because they knowd wery well that we would take
    off their heads, while they would feel proud driving the tanks among civil
    albanians and masacring women and childrenin the name of the Cross..
    Motherfucker.. i tell u i was there adn i have fighted adn i know them
    ...its not for mercy but they never were abble out of tanks to do anything
    nor will they ever beee. with your wish or not..i tell u that Albania soon
    will became what was originally "Great" and wil recover all its ladn
    occupied by slavvs all over...If u dear just to dream that, drink some milk
    so u dont piss at night..because i tell you..we albanians..will fuck them
    again just like we did last time..
    and everyone else who supoorts terror the way they did..
    AMEN
  • Tonto
    Everybody knows that the only thing Albanians are good for is stealing girls for whore/slaves and slapping them around. Where I come from, men don't make their living on women. Albanians prove that muzlims are dogshit. As I said before, you must be a chickenshit anyway. You ran away from the fight and came here instead of staying in Albania and making it better. You must be a pussy. Don't talk to me anymore. You don't even deserve to shine my shoes.
  • illyrian
    well said..albanians from Albania indeed had some bad experiences with
    organised crime exported from western Europe and Eastern too..so cut in
    midst...but albanians from Kosovo, where i came from...hahahhaahahah I let u
    know..i am here because i am getting education to go back and help the new
    life..but i was there in war and i have profs of it including my weapons
    that i hold back home as a suvenire from the time when i was at war and
    didnt know who will be next shoot, i suppose you were looking porno and
    masturbating... so dont compare with me cause u dont have bools to do...
    and for ur knowledge i am super hetero which is one part of the story why i
    like america because i dont have to much competition, that gives me a chance
    to nock down all the girls i want...of course too bad I am a true muslim and
    i dont do that...
    at the end...as u said...i do respect your suggestion I dotn talk you
    anymore cause i am not worthy to shine your shoes...i never did to noone nor
    will i ever do it even if someone puts agun on my face..the onlly
    submission is to Allah...so as i am not worthyy..farwell..live your life in
    misery
  • Tonto
    Child, do you think you are the only one who has carried a rifle in combat? There have been more Americans in this country that have been in the killing places than the entire population of Albania. I was in it for 3 years. I had several victories in face to face combat....even with the knife, and once with a rock. You are in America now. There are MANY like me here. You're just small beans boy.....and not very scary, or impressive.
  • funkybarfly
    I love your posts,Tonto.If I didn't know you from a bar of soap(I don't) and I was in your part of the world and we somehow got to talking in a bar,I could see much jocularity and many drinks in the works.
    "......islam is doomed.Get used to that too.".Ultimately that statement will be vindicated.I know this to be true.
    To quote a long haired lout:"Shine on you crazy diamond".
  • JEWHAWK
    "......islam is doomed.Get used to that too.".Ultimately that statement will be vindicated.I know this to be true".

    Oh Gosh...I really would like to believe that.

    Movies with a HAPPY end are the ones I love the most.

    Today's movie is something like ALIEN.

    But we've got no Sigourney Weaver to defend us, but
    SEAN PENN.

    This movie doesn't seem to have a happy finale.

    It ends with a defeaning ALLAH AKHBAR from a mosque's minaret
    built at the White House's grounds.

    Scarier than an orgy involving Jason, Freddy Krügger, the Killer Clown and Barney Frank ...















  • Tonto
    Let me know when you're coming and we'll plan a bar-b-que....maybe even a pig roast.
  • funkybarfly
    P.S. Got the tele on.Damn that Ashley Judd is a fine looking woman!
    Makes me say God bless America.
  • JEWHAWK
    " GET A FUCKING LIFE YOU LOSER "

    This is what your father told you when you were six.



    " experience islam "

    Daniel Pearl did. He only lost his head because of that " experience ".


    " what's your proof? "

    THOUSANDS of " honor killings " wherever muslims exists. I reckon it's a solid proof.


    " have you witnessed this with your own eyes?"

    September 11, 2001.

    Muslims are the SCUM of our planet.
    They're as filthy as rotten roadkill.
    They're a BURDEN to the rest of the world.
    They're USELESS and IGNORANT.

    Muslims are culturally and morally INFERIOR.

    Kill yourself, " muslima363 ". Even your family will be elated if you do.
  • melbrookes
    and all this is a surprize because of what?
  • asdf
    I am a feminist and not Muslim so I'm not looking at these statements objectively. But one has to remember that the Qur'an was written over a thousand years ago and it actually gave many rights to women that they didn't already have.
  • Tonto
    You're correct. As of 1400 years ago, islam "liberated" women, comparatively. The comparison of how "liberated" muz women are now versus how liberated modern women in the 21st century are show a very wide gap and difference. Women in western civilization have no limits. They can do whatever they want to with their lives if they have the drive, talent, and guts to do it......just like any man. It's all in how they play it. If a woman wants to play the game on a level field, she just has to do what any man does to get ahead.....work very fucking hard. There are women doing that very thing right now and are very, very successful at it.....and don't need a man for shit. Personally, I love women like that. I think God intended for man and woman to be equals....and partners in everything. You don't have to believe me. Just study the animal world. Fair and equal divisions of labor. Absolutely, seamlessly smooth and beautiful.
  • pevans1
    Oh yea, And this site locks up just as fast and hard as a camel that ate ten pounds of cheese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Tonto
    Now that's funny! I don't care what anybody says....that's funny. Thanks for the laugh!
  • Tonto
    Dang! I still laugh when I scroll down and read that!
  • dude you got problems...It's not the site. IT runs fine for everyone but
    you. If you're having problems you may want to contact me directly so I can
    help you fix your shiz, otherwise I don't know what to tell you.
  • Beejj
    Yes, pevans, I also have trouble when I write something that already has lots of posts. It's annoying. Don't leave us!!
  • pevans1
    This site fuckin sucks! Everytime I post...the site sticks my comments somewhere between comments at least
    1 year ago! Anyway, I have posted many comments and I recieve many E-mails with the latest comments....But I can't seem to be able to get my comments, out to everyone else! So, I'll try one more time. If it dosn't work....I'll
    probably bail on this site! In response to Muslima363...You stupid fucking cunt! If it's proof you want, then go to
    Necrowulf's responce to you...and click on the link! You will see many pictures of Muslim Women that have been
    disfigured by Muslim Men! Open your eyes, you idiot! Before this happens to you! Oh, One more thing....If your pedophile profet Mohammed was alive and living in the U.S. today.....He'd be living behind bars....right were he
    should be!!! Your an Idiot!
  • this one post has almost 2000 comments so yea it can take a while to load.
    Did you know you can respond directly in your email? just hit reply, type,
    and send.
  • Necrowulf
    Try this:

    Where it says "Sort By" select "newest First"

    It will show the newer ones. That is how I do it...
  • Hannah
    I honestly think you are all pathetic if you understood these quotes you would know that ur interpretations of them are bullshit. I could take quotes from the Bible and Torah and from the teachings of Buddha and the books of Hindu's and Sikhs and make the same gross interpretations without having any understanding. Try reading and understanding before commenting
  • same old tired argument. Until you actually put them into context (which
    you can't without lying), you're just another stupid radical Islamist
    sympathizer. You don't get what you're own religion teaches you, only how
    your moron Imam interprets it for you.
  • Necrowulf
    Prbolem: Muslims actually do exactly what the quotes say.
  • muslima363
    what's your proof? have you actually stepped inside a muslim home? have you witnessed this with your own eyes?

    do a favor and instead of wasting your own time and the time of the people who have to read your comments, get your facts straight, experience islam, and oh, lastly, GET A FUCKING LIFE YOU LOSER.
  • Tonto
    Nyeek halek, akrouti!
  • pevans1
    Open your eyes you whore! Necrowulf has posted a link on this site to show you all the proof you need!
    To: Necrowulf & Beejj, Thanks for your help!
  • Necrowulf
    http://blogs.tampabay.com/photo/2009/11/terrori...

    “Islam is the most horrible thing I’ve experienced in my life. Islam means failure, Islam means rape, it means women are not human, that they are worth half. That’s what Islam means.“

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQY8cVoxNpY

    If that muslim doesn't convice you, then you are lost to ignorance.

    I have a life, I'm devoted to science, and the truth, you are devoted to folklore, myth and make-believe
  • i'm reading A Thousand Splendid Suns right now for english class, and i wanted to find facts that backed up my thesis of "women are the real heroes of muslim society." these are truly oppressing and, sadly, are reality. thank you for finding these. the world can use these to help boost women's rights.
  • muslima363
    the whole point of islam is so that muslim women can HAVE RIGHTS. true, some things may not seem logical such as why a brother would get a double share over his sister. a man is usually supporting a family, while the woman is not. she may work outside the home if she wishes and can either contribute the earnings to support her family OR use her earnings for her own personal use.
  • the whole point of islam is so that muslim women can HAVE RIGHTS

    You should be a stand up comedian. Just need to work on the delivery.
  • Beejj
    What if the brother is NOT supporting a family? What if the sister IS supporting one? Does this change the situation? And tell us about the matter of divorce - is there any disparity? Oh yes, what about the little matter of a man's testimony in a court of law being equivalent to that of two women?
  • nadine_hady
    That is totaly wrong.. u should read and understand first before publishing like an ignorant.
  • zohalw
    go read the quran with it's content ...don't pick out words with out any content ...read the verses before and after, i am a muslim women raised in canada and i am practicing islam because i choose to. 2/3 of muslim converts in america are converts and they convert to islam because they see respect in islam and how much islam has given them rights.
  • Tonto
    What a moron. Get it together girlie. Every once in a while we get some idiot in here defending islame or apologizing for it, or claiming that islame is sooooo wonderful and gentle. Well HELLO, the numbers don't lie. 100s of people are being butchered DAILY by these "gentle" muslims....every time I open my homepage it seems there is a new outrage by "gentle" murderous muslims some place in the world....yeah, islam is shit, pure and simple.
  • muslima363
    no, islam isnt shit. that's the point that we muslims are trying to get across to you. we are not defending those "muslims" who have killed so many innocent people.

    us muslims who are defending islam on this website are trying to set apart stereotypes against us and islam.

    your ignorance clouds your eyes. you don't understand our point and instead are going on and on about shit on other websites.

    and might i mention, that "hellosnackbar" has not yet proved to me that every muslim woman is oppressed and muslims are radicals. i'm still waiting for your response hellosnackbar. or do you not have one?
  • hellosnackbar
    Dearie me, muslima 363 are you too lazy to read my 1005 posts or better still those of my esteemed colleague bronwyn on this subject?
    It's boring trotting out the same repetitive foibles ad-nauseum of the primitive treatment of women by male members of your stone-age ideology.
    Are you happy with your status as a future brood mare for your future husband?
    Unless I'm mistaken you're the lady who wants to be a paediatric neurologist??
    Well if you came under my supervision in a sterile operatory dressed in an all enclosing tent I'd immediately throw you out
    until you dressed more appropriately for the situation at large.
    And weren't you the one peevishly moaning about miniskirts?
    How dare you?insert yourself in civilised society and then whinge about the way your betters dress?
    Happy about honour killings,wife beatings,and being told to accept the serf like existence that your sex predicates?
    And what about any attraction you might have ,or have had for some young infidel blade?
    Your pathetic exclusivity only serves to promote laughter by we infidels as to the perversion of your so called faith.
    Why don't you cast off your metaphorical fetters and join the human race?
    Life's so much better once you've tasted the freedom of the west.
    If you've never contemplated this alternative;then I submit you lack imagination.
    And no imagination makes you an unsuitable person to become a neurologist;science based medicine requires objective
    critical thinking and you've already demonstrated asinine adherence to the whims and crochets of the abomination you call a religion.
    Dump it muslimah and sip the sweet wine of freedom.
    Apart from possibly annoying the neanderthals of your crazy family you must be tempted!

    Go on I dare you!
  • muslima363
    oh please. i am so eff-ing TIRED of hearing your stupid argument that muslim women are oppressed. what PROOF do you have?

    and may i mention that i have asked you that question, for the record, 3 times now?
  • JEWHAWK
    Muslima, I do HATE Islam.

    I do hope you could understand that.

    Islam is as pleasant as a FART inside a crowded elevator.

    Please, DIE.
  • Tonto
    Two points to the raghead, Jewhawk. You let the twit get to you. There is islam (like water is wet). Islam is shit. You and I both know that. The so-called "moderate" muslims are "muslims-in-name-only", who are semi-apostates according to the wahabbiests, al-qaida, taliban, and all the hard core assholes that run screaming alahuakbar through the streets, burn churches, behead their women, rape other peoples, enslave immigrant workers and all that other wonderful shit in the "peace of islam". Arguing with these worthless pieces of shit don't do anything for you but increase your blood pressure needlessly. Simply state the facts, and let them go. Lessee, there have been 14,640 jihadi attacks since 9/11 worldwide. That's not even including the rockets and shit shot at the long suffering Jews in Israel by the stupid shits in fakestine. In the week of 12/19 to 12/25, there were 45 jihadi attacks, clocking 198 dead and 712 critically injured. I don't care how much mealy mouth crap some islamic dickweed wants to talk, bullshit is bullshit and it don't smell no sweeter cause some drizzle nose puke starts whining about how wonderful islam is and how much they like the security and love they've found there. That only indicates what a second class, defective human that person is.....not anything else. We know the truth, after all. How can a piece of mouse butt-sludge get to you? They're lucky the west doesn't "open season" on them the way they've, obviously, opened season on the rest of the world....and each other.
  • Beejj
    About a week ago you ranted about the wearing of mini-skirts, and you were twice asked to tell us what is wrong with them, but you have not answered the question. Now's your opportunity. WHY do such garments disgust you? Might it have something to do with the brainwashing you have received as an oppressed Muslim female all your sad life?
  • Tonto
    Every once in a while, we get you muzleem pukes in here and they try to talk the same line of BS. Well hey, we didn't fall off the banana boat yesterday. We see and read. As I mentioned above, islam is shit. Islam keeps people stupid and slavishly following a 14 th century demented, immoral Bedouin's mindset. Yes, the hadiths tell us that big mo, the vaunted "prophet" of islam, who never prophesied shit, was a cross dresser and what we consider an murderer, pirate, slaver, pedophile, rapist and one rotten son of a bitch. The hadiths PROVE all those things....they are supposed to be the eye witness accounts of that asshole, as told by his immediate companions in crime. The numbers compiled by various sites, notably "the Religion of Peace.com", don't tell of how "gentle and loving muslims are, rather they show that daily numbers on jihadi attacks world-wide just keep on rolling. I have no idea why you worthless muz scumbags have the stupid idea that you can waltz in here, talk your shit, and expect people that have any sense to believe it. The fact that you assholes do that is an insult. By your bold faced lies, you insult my intelligence and good sense. Thousands of people are killed, worldwide, by muzlims for islam....or for being "other than muzlim", or for being Jews, or Christians. Israel has every right to exist. They also have the right to retaliate for all the attacks against them. Good thing for the fakastinians.....if it wasn't for the fact that the Israelis are much more merciful than I would be, they haven't been eradicated from the earth........yet.
  • Beejj
    "Two-thirds of Muslim converts in America are converts ....." Ah, the joys of the Muslim mind!
  • funkybarfly
    "go read the quran with it's content ...don't pick out words with out any content ...read the verses before and after":
    That's my favourite bit!
    Our erudite,Canadian raised feminist must have played truant more often than not;either that or the Canadian education system has really let itself go.Has socialist newspeak devolved to such a state whereby the "context" chestnut has metamorphosed into some airy-fairy strain of "content" genus of nut?.

    BTW,why have I never cottoned on to Pamela Geller(atlasshrugs) before? I found her 'cause she was the only one Robert Spencer follows on Twitter.She has probably been mentioned on this site many times but I must have missed it,or the name didn't click.What a woman!
  • everitteb
    your all a bunch of ignorant rednecks. have you ever ben to a middle eastern country? have you ever talked to a muslim girl? Do you think their actually unhappy? their family lives are far better than any in America or the west. What do any of you know about islam? these quotes are not meant to be taken literally. If all of you bible punchers took that literally then none of you would be eating shellfish. You're all just a bunch of hate mongers trying to justify a war that we declaired on perfectly virtuous people. most iraqis dont know who osama bin laden is, and if they did know who he was they wouldnt have supported him at all until we came and blewup their homes. Its websites like these that are responsible for all our soldiers having to continually die in iraq and afghanistan, not to mention all the people they kill in the process of losing their own life. their blood is on your hands
  • JEWHAWK
    I've seen on Fox News a bunch of muslim women that had ACID thrown at
    their faces and bodies by their own HUSBANDS and BROTHERS in order
    to " protect the family's honor ".

    Islam is the WORST enemy of women throughout the world, I've got no doubts
    whatsoever.
  • Tonto
    Some people that have been slaves all their lives LIKE to be slaves. What I know about islam is that they are in the news EVERY DAY. I can't open my homepage without some new muzlim atrocity posted on it. Murder and islam are inseparable My reaction is to exterminate islam like the vermin and the blight on the world that they are. How's that make you feel?
  • you're an idiot
  • knight87
    Are Muslim women oppressed?

    i c comments all over that are said without thoughts... please think of what you say and befor you read the quean try ask a muslim women if she is oppressed than try to prove islam bad. btw do guys know millions of people are becoming muslims everyday and most of them are womenm, yes more women accept islam becuse who ever said muslim women are oppressed i am very sorry but you are wrong and please read this it might clear alot of things out for u .

    Among the many topics of interest to non-Muslims, the status of Muslim women and the theme of their rights -- or rather, the perceived lack of them – seems to be foremost. The media’s portrayal of Muslim women, usually outlining their “oppression and mystery” seems to contribute to this negative perception.

    The main reason for this is that people often fail to distinguish between culture and religion -- two things that are completely different. In fact, Islam condemns oppression of any kind whether it is towards a woman or humankind in general.

    The Quran is the sacred book by which Muslims live. This book was revealed 1400 years ago to a man named Muhammad –peace be upon him-, who would later become the Prophet –peace be upon him-. Fourteen centuries have passed and this book has not been changed since, not one letter has been altered.

    In chapter 33, entitled Soorah Al-Ahzaab (The Clans), verse 59 Allaah The Exalted Almighty Says (what means): {O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the woman of the believers to bring down over themselves (part) of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known (as free respectable women) and not be abused. And ever is Allaah Forgiving and Merciful}. [Quran 33:59] This verse shows that Islam makes wearing a Hijaab necessary. Hijaab is the word used for covering, not only the headscarves (as some people may think) but also wearing loose clothes that are not too bright.

    Sometimes, people see covered Muslim women and they think of this as oppression. This is wrong. A Muslim woman is not oppressed, in fact, she is liberated. This is because she is no longer valued for something material, such as her good looks or the shape of her body. She compels others to judge her for her intelligence, kindness, honesty and personality. Therefore, people judge her for who she actually is.

    When Muslim women cover their hair and wear loose clothes, they are obeying the orders of their Lord to be modest, not cultural or social mores. In fact, Christian nuns cover their hair out of modesty, yet no one considers them “oppressed”. By following the command of Allaah, Muslim women are doing the exact same thing.

    The lives of the people who responded to the Quran have changed drastically. It had a tremendous impact on so many people, especially women, since this was the first time that the souls of man and women were declared equal -- with the same obligations as well as the same rewards.

    For the first time in history, women were granted economic independence in Islam. The money they bring in to marriage is theirs as well as the money they earn. In Islam, women are allowed to choose their own husbands and in extreme cases, ask for divorce. A woman has the right to be educated, contrary to what the contemporary world might think. The responsibility is that of the person who is raising her.

    Islam is a religion that holds women in high regard. Long ago, when baby boys were born, they brought great joy to the family. The birth of a girl was greeted with considerably less joy and enthusiasm. Sometimes, girls were hated so much that they were buried alive. Islam has always been against this irrational discrimination against girls and female infanticide.

    The Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wasallam, said: «Seeking knowledge is mandatory for every Muslim (male and female)» [Narrated By Ibn-Majah & was classified as Sahheeh By Al-Albani but other scholars have classified it as weak]. Men and women both have the capacity for learning and understanding. Since it is also their obligation to promote good behavior and condemn bad behavior in all spheres of life, Muslim women must acquire the appropriate education to perform this duty in accordance with their own natural talents and interests.

    While maintenance of their homes, providing support to the husband and bearing, raising and teaching children are among the first and very highly regarded roles for a woman, if she has the skills to work outside the home for the good of the community, she may do so. However, this is allowed only as long as her family obligations are met and as long as she complies with the Islamic code of dress and conduct, with no intermingling with men in the workplace.

    Islam recognizes and fosters the natural differences between men and women despite their equality. Some types of work are more suitable for men and other types for women. This differentiation in no way diminishes the effort or benefit of one gender over the other. God will reward both genders equally for the value of their work, though it may not necessarily be within the same sphere of activity.

    The two great roles a woman plays in life are that of a wife and a mother. The Prophet –peace be upon him-, once said to a group of Companions:

    Concerning motherhood, the Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wasallam, said: «Heaven lies under the feet of mothers» [Classified as Weak By Al-Albani in Daeef al Jamea']. This implies that the success of a society can be traced to the mothers who raised it. The first and greatest influence on a person comes from the sense of security, affection and training received from the mother. Therefore, a woman having children must be educated and conscientious in order to be a skillful parent.

    «A man came to the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wasallam, and asked: "Who among my kinfolk is worthy of my good companionship?" The Prophet –peace be upon him-, replied: "Your mother" three times before saying: "Your father» [Bukhari]. This indicates the impact that a mother has in a person's life. So women are highly honored in this great religion.

    Islam is a religion that treats women fairly. The Muslim woman was given a role, duties and rights 1400 years ago that most women do not enjoy even today in the West. These rights are from God and are designed to maintain a balance in society; what may seem “unjust” or “missing” in one place is compensated for or explained in another place.

    From: Al-Jumu’ah Vol. 14

    «The best among you are those who are the best to their wives» [Narrated By Ibn-Majah & Classified as Sheeh By Al-Albani in Saheeh Ibn-Majah]. This shows that Islam highly encourages treating the wives well. They should be shown love, respect and care. To foster the love and security that comes with marriage, Muslim wives have various rights. The first of the wife's rights is to receive dowry, a gift from the husband, which is part of the marriage contract and required for the legality of the marriage.

    The second right of a wife is maintenance. Despite any wealth she may have, her husband is obligated to provide her with food, shelter and clothing. He is not forced, however, to spend beyond his capability and his wife is not entitled to make unreasonable demands.
  • Tonto
    Boy, you're one brainwashed little peckerhead ain't you?
  • Beejj
    All the women drivers of Saudi Arabia will agree with you. Won't they?
  • muslima363
    ok, beejj. dont bring culture into this u idiot. saudi arabia is a country which can make its own laws and has its OWN CULTURE.

    one reason y non-muslims are confused about what islam is is because they mix ARABIAN CULTURE WITH ISLAM. they are NOT the same. see islam by itself, don't link and mix it up with arabic culture.
  • Necrowulf
    "...dont bring culture..."

    Of course, because if he did, islam wouldn't stand a chance. Islam is a culture-less religion...
    Islam is a barbaric, backward, racist, problematic, misogynistic, Geliophobic, Gymnophobic, Gnosiophobic , Gynephobic, Homophobic, Judeophobic. Kainolophobic, Melophobic, Methyphobic, Nudophobic, Paraphobic, Potophobic, Coitophobic, Cynophobic, Eurotophobic, Ithyphallophobic, Ideophobic, Transphobic, Xenophobic, Coprophilic, PAraphilic, Erotophonophilic, Raptophilic, Pedophilic and Urophagic religion
  • illyrian
    I dont know...if my knowledge is right.. i ask you where did these verses
    have been invented and who has made them a reality..
    Go and make some research for Gods sake adn dotn make ur self to look so
    fullish while u have the chance to read adn explore but u still show lower
    knowledge than an african Child (with whole respect) that doesnt have
    neither a paper to write...never a internet conection ..
  • Necrowulf
    They have the sources, look them up. Are you that lazy?
  • illyrian
    exatelly vbecause i see them i oppose...because those verses taken out of
    content really can have any meaning u wanna give..
    if i say that all bible is imoral because it says that Lot had sex with his
    doughters..would i be right..
  • Necrowulf
    Like I care about the bible. Stop with the excuses and read the stupid
    koran.


    On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:56:55 -0000, Disqus
  • Beejj
    Saudi culture is unrelated to Islam? Hey, chick, who's the idiot?
  • Tonto
    muslima363,
    Islam and Saudi culture are one and the same, especially in Saudi. The immoral Beduion started the whole thing right there in Mecca...and millions of the buggers go back there every year for the pagan excercises there. The origin of wahabiism is right there too, and they are the # 1 peckerheads promoting violent jihad, along with the shia Iranians. Without their oil, they wouldn't amount to a hill of mouse poop....but there it is. If you don't know that dearie, you are one dumb broad. It grieves me to have to instruct some dumbass muz that knows less about their bullshit religion than I do. Tell ya what, go to www.mideastyouth.com/ and get a hold of Esra'a, who runs the site (smart, shrarp LADY too) and let her fill you in about oppression of females in the M/E. She ought to know, she lives in Bahrain. Maybe you'll believe her. Or look up Dr. Wafa Sultan on google and read some of her articles and see some of her videos. Then you won't sound so stupid and ignorant. Beejj and Co. got it right.
  • knight87
    Are Muslim women oppressed?

    i c comments all over that are said without thoughts... please think of what you say and befor you read the quean try ask a muslim women if she is oppressed than try to prove islam bad. btw do guys know millions of people are becoming muslims everyday and most of them are womenm, yes more women accept islam becuse who ever said muslim women are oppressed i am very sorry but you are wrong and please read this it might clear alot of things out for u .

    Among the many topics of interest to non-Muslims, the status of Muslim women and the theme of their rights -- or rather, the perceived lack of them – seems to be foremost. The media’s portrayal of Muslim women, usually outlining their “oppression and mystery” seems to contribute to this negative perception.

    The main reason for this is that people often fail to distinguish between culture and religion -- two things that are completely different. In fact, Islam condemns oppression of any kind whether it is towards a woman or humankind in general.

    The Quran is the sacred book by which Muslims live. This book was revealed 1400 years ago to a man named Muhammad –peace be upon him-, who would later become the Prophet –peace be upon him-. Fourteen centuries have passed and this book has not been changed since, not one letter has been altered.

    In chapter 33, entitled Soorah Al-Ahzaab (The Clans), verse 59 Allaah The Exalted Almighty Says (what means): {O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the woman of the believers to bring down over themselves (part) of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known (as free respectable women) and not be abused. And ever is Allaah Forgiving and Merciful}. [Quran 33:59] This verse shows that Islam makes wearing a Hijaab necessary. Hijaab is the word used for covering, not only the headscarves (as some people may think) but also wearing loose clothes that are not too bright.

    Sometimes, people see covered Muslim women and they think of this as oppression. This is wrong. A Muslim woman is not oppressed, in fact, she is liberated. This is because she is no longer valued for something material, such as her good looks or the shape of her body. She compels others to judge her for her intelligence, kindness, honesty and personality. Therefore, people judge her for who she actually is.

    When Muslim women cover their hair and wear loose clothes, they are obeying the orders of their Lord to be modest, not cultural or social mores. In fact, Christian nuns cover their hair out of modesty, yet no one considers them “oppressed”. By following the command of Allaah, Muslim women are doing the exact same thing.

    The lives of the people who responded to the Quran have changed drastically. It had a tremendous impact on so many people, especially women, since this was the first time that the souls of man and women were declared equal -- with the same obligations as well as the same rewards.

    For the first time in history, women were granted economic independence in Islam. The money they bring in to marriage is theirs as well as the money they earn. In Islam, women are allowed to choose their own husbands and in extreme cases, ask for divorce. A woman has the right to be educated, contrary to what the contemporary world might think. The responsibility is that of the person who is raising her.

    Islam is a religion that holds women in high regard. Long ago, when baby boys were born, they brought great joy to the family. The birth of a girl was greeted with considerably less joy and enthusiasm. Sometimes, girls were hated so much that they were buried alive. Islam has always been against this irrational discrimination against girls and female infanticide.

    The Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wasallam, said: «Seeking knowledge is mandatory for every Muslim (male and female)» [Narrated By Ibn-Majah & was classified as Sahheeh By Al-Albani but other scholars have classified it as weak]. Men and women both have the capacity for learning and understanding. Since it is also their obligation to promote good behavior and condemn bad behavior in all spheres of life, Muslim women must acquire the appropriate education to perform this duty in accordance with their own natural talents and interests.

    While maintenance of their homes, providing support to the husband and bearing, raising and teaching children are among the first and very highly regarded roles for a woman, if she has the skills to work outside the home for the good of the community, she may do so. However, this is allowed only as long as her family obligations are met and as long as she complies with the Islamic code of dress and conduct, with no intermingling with men in the workplace.

    Islam recognizes and fosters the natural differences between men and women despite their equality. Some types of work are more suitable for men and other types for women. This differentiation in no way diminishes the effort or benefit of one gender over the other. God will reward both genders equally for the value of their work, though it may not necessarily be within the same sphere of activity.

    The two great roles a woman plays in life are that of a wife and a mother. The Prophet –peace be upon him-, once said to a group of Companions:

    Concerning motherhood, the Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wasallam, said: «Heaven lies under the feet of mothers» [Classified as Weak By Al-Albani in Daeef al Jamea']. This implies that the success of a society can be traced to the mothers who raised it. The first and greatest influence on a person comes from the sense of security, affection and training received from the mother. Therefore, a woman having children must be educated and conscientious in order to be a skillful parent.

    «A man came to the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wasallam, and asked: "Who among my kinfolk is worthy of my good companionship?" The Prophet –peace be upon him-, replied: "Your mother" three times before saying: "Your father» [Bukhari]. This indicates the impact that a mother has in a person's life. So women are highly honored in this great religion.

    Islam is a religion that treats women fairly. The Muslim woman was given a role, duties and rights 1400 years ago that most women do not enjoy even today in the West. These rights are from God and are designed to maintain a balance in society; what may seem “unjust” or “missing” in one place is compensated for or explained in another place.

    From: Al-Jumu’ah Vol. 14

    «The best among you are those who are the best to their wives» [Narrated By Ibn-Majah & Classified as Sheeh By Al-Albani in Saheeh Ibn-Majah]. This shows that Islam highly encourages treating the wives well. They should be shown love, respect and care. To foster the love and security that comes with marriage, Muslim wives have various rights. The first of the wife's rights is to receive dowry, a gift from the husband, which is part of the marriage contract and required for the legality of the marriage.

    The second right of a wife is maintenance. Despite any wealth she may have, her husband is obligated to provide her with food, shelter and clothing. He is not forced, however, to spend beyond his capability and his wife is not entitled to make unreasonable demands.
  • JEWHAWK
    " The Quran is the sacred book by which Muslims live. This book was revealed 1400 years ago to a man named Muhammad –peace be upon him-, who would later become the Prophet –peace be upon him-. Fourteen centuries have passed and this book has not been changed since, not one letter has been altered. "

    Muhammad was a SCOUNDREL. This SATANIC book wasn't "revealed", but INVENTED by that desert's pedophile himself .

    The Qur'anus is responsible for MILLIONS of deaths. It's the most disgraceful text ever written by men throughout History.It MUST be confiscated and recycled into TOILET PAPER.

    PISS BE UPON HIM.
  • MuslimforLife<3
    It's ignorant people like this that give us muslims a bad name. In no way, shape, or form are women degraded or looked down upon in the Holy Quran. These are all misiturpetations of the Quran and next time it would be much apreciated that you get your facts straight. You dont see muslims posting misinturpertations of the bible on the internet giving people the wrong idea. Islam isn't just a religion, its a way of life. Muslims aren't terroist and any muslim who has murdered innocent people isn't muslim. People look down upon muslims because they think we are all terroists who kill innocent people, but what about americas past? America had orginizatons such as the kkk killing innocent people. The KKK were a group of extremist who has disgraced america, well that goes the same for terrorist who say they did it for God. If you read the Holy Quran you'd understand its true meaning. killing, hate, obstruction is not permited and neither is lying, cheating, gambling, or drinking. Islam is the puriest religion out there. So stop giving people false information about islam.
  • hellosnackbar
    It's out of context;it's a misinterpretation,the translation from the original Arabic is inaccurate????
    However you Muslims bleat you are always hamstrung by the inability to polish the turd you call the Koran.
  • funkybarfly
    "MuslimforLife<3"
    Sounds like your mind's made up.
  • Beejj
    Wrong. I look down on Islam because it looks down on all "unbelievers". There is no point in our reading your "holy" Koran because shit-for-brains Muslims will tell us the translation is wrong. What on earth is a "pure" religion? Islam is the "purest" of all superstitions, you mean? You criticise America's past (why is it always America?), but you should ponder Islam's past, present and dark future From all the evidence, it seems that an awful lot of Muslims have not read the "holy" Koran, would you agree? This site is not in the business of deliberately conveying false information. Indeed, it even allows people such as yourself to write false information to your heart's content. Islam stinks as badly as the foul creature who invented it.
  • lillyallen
    Hahaha they arn't quotes from the quran. As you can see from the references they are from books written about the quran. As you would expect, thousands of books have been written, each conveying a personal belief. The ten quotes are merely ten bad examples from books that are not accepted by muslims. Pure propaganda that seeks to incite ratial hatred. Why not quote the quran itself?
  • rayla
    The writer of this article has taken the verses out of context - please refer to the original koran on the net you will see that it is just.
  • Beejj
    Bullshit!
  • Bronwyn
    Joy and happiness to you and yours, dear Jew Hawk and a fabulous New Year!
  • openureyes
    I am always amazed at the interpretations the Muslims make out of their Quran, always trying to make it sound good. Of course it is difficult to interpret, the Quran is one of the worse written books of all times.
  • muslima363
    Oh my god, whoever posted this and whoever agrees with the poster, you all make me SICK.

    It makes perfect sense, doesn't it? somebody who just cracked open a Quran suddenly has all the knowledge in the world about it, interpret it once, and think that what they are saying is right.

    How well do you know your own religion? How well do you know MY religion? So instead of thinking you are almighty and being all proud that you have "evidence" on how sexist Islam is, get the hell over yourself.

    There is a lot of false facts in your postings. One of the ones I would like to point out is...

    1.) In the days of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), women who were widowed had no way of supporting themselves and their children because they did not work. When all the wars were going on during the Prophet's time, many women became widowed. That's why Allah (SWT) said it was ok for men to marry more than one woman, as long as his current wives agree. It was for financial and emotional support, not just because these men were not happy with one women.

    2.) It is true the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married his best friend's daughter when she was 9 and had not yet hit puberty. He did not do it for love or lust. He did it so that she would recieve a good Islamic education. She did not live with him until she was past puberty.


    So, you guys who think that they can figure out the Quran and Islam just by cracking open the book, I have news for you.

    Scholars for many years have tried to interpret the Quran. You must know in what context and time period that the particular chapter was revieled.

    WHAT ABOUT ASKING AN ACTUAL MUSLIM WOMAN SUCH AS MYSELF WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A MUSLIM WOMAN? We would be happy to show you the truth.
  • hellosnackbar
    Here we go again Muslims suggesting that there is some esoteric mystery quality to Islam that only Muslims can understand ;and the poor uneducated Kufr can't.
    I can only think that it is something similar to a child's belief in Father Christmas.
    But come the age of about six most children become aware that Father Xmas is pure artifice.
    The Easterbunny,Mother Goose and Allah are similarly so.
    It's just that Muslims remain in this state of childish naivity by believing in the impossible and furthermore believe the rest of the world should too!
    Islam is a pathetic attempt to believe the impossible as articulated by History's most successful confidence trickster
    and his ravings are still taken as gospel by the benighted minions who call themselves Muslims.
    Hopefully in the future Muslims will develope into thinking people who will realise that their primitive forbears were just children with a propensity to believe in fantasy fairy stories.
    May Allah dissapear into the realms of fantasy fiction.
  • Storm_Rider
    "We would be happy to show you the truth."

    Truth is self-evident; we don't need your help with truth.
  • Storm_Rider
    "So, you guys who think that they can figure out the Quran and Islam just by cracking open the book, I have news for you. Scholars for many years have tried to interpret the Quran. You must know in what context and time period that the particular chapter was revieled."

    Yes, we can read the Quran, the Bible, Shakespeare, and Science textbooks even without your help. Medieval Christian Priests and Bishops used to say the same thing about the Bible; that ordinary Medieval Christians were too stupid to understand the written Word of God; but the Reformation came along (along with the Scientific Enlightenment), and it became clear that the ordinary individual has the God-given ability to read and understand without the help of a self-anointed ruling class.

    “Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure.” Thomas Jefferson

    "If you state a moral case to a plowman and a professor, the farmer will decide it as well, and often better, because he has not been led astray by any artificial rules." Thomas Jefferson

    “In every country and every age, the priest (Imam) had been hostile to Liberty.” Thomas Jefferson

    “All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few (Kings, Priests, Caliphs, Imams)booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.” Thomas Jefferson

    “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.” Thomas Jefferson
  • Bronwyn
    "We would be happy to show you the truth."

    No, you are usually happy to lie. Read the posts before you make remarks. We already know about the rampant fistula among Muslim children who are sold into sex in imitation of Mohammad who raped Aisha when she was nine, but sexually molested her from the time she was 6. Your own Ayatollah Khomeini is one of the many modern imams who sanction sexually arousing a baby as young as one. He gave his official blessing to sodomizing one year olds but indicated that if you damage them you cannot marry their sisters. Your religion is vile. Your lies are vile and your cover is blown. Read before you speak. Ninety- two per cent of honor killings occur among Muslims. Your temporary marriages are a big joke. We know all about the happiness of Muslim women. The self- immolated bodies of Afghan, Pakistani and Yemeni women are a great testimony of your joy. The young school girls permanently disfigured by acid thrown in their faces for daring to seek an educations and the 75 year old Saudi woman about to be lashed for speaking to a man are beautiful testaments to Islam. They are also a beautiful testament to who and what you are when you pretend these perfidies and a thousand other indignities do not define the life of countless millions of Muslim women. Uneducated, wretched teeming heap of female sorrow and degradation, these are the women of Islam.

  • tariq_ENSEA
    I dont know who you are, what your religion is but i guess you have picked the verses without any context and you are i guess trying to show that woman is degraded in islam but that is opposit.. for exqmple you have quoted the verses [4. . A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.] this verses has an other part and it continues as [ but if you cant make justice between four wives marry only ONE ] so wanna tell you that there is no any other religious book on earth which says MARRY ONLY ONE , and before quoting the verses one must try to understand the reason like why this book says marry four wives because QURAN is book of solutions of problems, so marrying four wives is a solution to the western problem like there is millions of women who cant get husbands because the death ratio of man is more than woman so unfortunetly these in west they become public property if they are not married. though Quran says that Marry only if man cant make justice between his wives, in otherwords Quran is giving us the solution of the problem but not insisting on marring only four wives........ hope i am clear to mention the context of the verse plus the remaining part of the verse which is not mention in the above quranic quotation.
  • Fatima
    Aghhh.. I guess ignorance speaks for itself. Truth is, if only people took the time to learn Islam,or any other religion in that case, these quotes wouldn't be up and there would be more acceptance.. People have to remember that the Quran is written in ancient Arabic and that most of what is written has more than a context meaning.. All religions are loving and correct in their own sense.. It is the human that corrodes them.
  • youreallidiots
    i just wanna say that all of you americans and chirstians are bunch of idiots.. all of those rules were made to PROTECT women.. you have to keep in mind that these rules were made around 500-600 C.E... at that time Mecca was a big city for trade.. men would deliver goods to other countries from there.. and since they would be gone for long periods of time they would just have sex with random women and make babies.. ISLAM!! made a rule against that.. in Islam you can only have 4 wives IF and only IF all 4 are treated the same.. and if you cant treat them all the same you may divorce them.. you closed minded idiots should read books about Islam before you keep repeating the stories stupid americans were saying when they first heard of Islam.. dumbasses.. this is exactly why Islam is the largest growing religion in the world
  • JEWHAWK
    " just wanna say that all of you americans and chirstians are bunch of idiots "

    Sure. Those "chirstian " idiots only invented the very same computer and its
    keyboard in which your filthy little fingers are writing now.
    They just did invent almost EVERYTHING that makes your life different from
    those gorillas that currently dwells at the London's ZOO.


    " all of those rules were made to PROTECT women. "

    Were they CONSULTED about if they WANTED your "protection" ?


    " you have to keep in mind that these rules were made around 500-600 C.E. "

    Oh, I do keep in mind that islam is STUCK in that period. It did not EVOLVED.


    " at that time Mecca was a big city for trade.. "

    And Mecca's Jewish inhabitants were SLAUGHTERED by that ASSASSIN called Muhamad,
    that you consider a "prophet".He was no prophet, but a SCOUNDREL and a RUFFIAN.


    " and since they would be gone for long periods of time they would just have sex with random women and make babies."
    Yes. Muslims behave like LOCUSTS, COCKROACHES and RATS on the heat.


    " in Islam you can only have 4 wives IF and only IF all 4 are treated the same.. "

    "ONLY FOUR"...Well, this remark clearly proves that muslims are inapt to live
    in the western world. They are PRIMITIVE and BARBARIC.


    " you closed minded idiots "

    Those idiots invented the PENICILIN and went to the MOON. Muslims
    invented the SUICIDE-BOMBINGS.


    " should read books about Islam "

    Everything I've ever needed to know about islam Mr. Atta taught
    in 9/11/2001... He was a very good teacher at that.


    " stupid americans "

    Those stupid americans invented the electric bulb that brought LIGHT into
    your otherwise dull, fetid and dark dwellings. The only STUPID person in
    here is YOU.


    " this is exactly why Islam is the largest growing religion in the world "

    That's exactly why muslims should be CASTRATED, STERILIZED. They
    behave like a bunch of MICROBES, BACTERIA...pure filth.
    Islam is a PLAGUE and muslims are carriers of it, just like the rats' fleas
    caused the BUBONIC PLAGUE that decimated nearly 1/3 of European
    population between 1348 and 1351.
  • Bronwyn
    "all of those rules were made to PROTECT women.. you have to keep in mind that these rules were made around 500-600 C.E"

    Women have been dying from too much protection for 1400 years. You protect them ffrom the ability to inherit, to testify in court to the shocking abuses they endure and have their testimony count as much as a man. You protect them from being able to divorce a man without his permission. You protect them from being able to claim their own children in a divorce. They are considered the property of the husband. You protect the girls by killing them when the oppose you. You protect the wives by stoning them to death when they resist Islam or their husbands.You protect them from being able to feel the wind on their faces and walk about life free of the chain of being under constant surveillance. If they defy the hijab or burqa they could and do die from your zeal to protect them. Countless slave owners have expressed themselves on how well they protect their slaves. You are no different. You revere the slave system because you do not mind you role in it. You do not have elementary compassion to cause you discomfort with the slavery of others. Your own chains are familiar and you dislike others remarking on them. Your slave culture increases through the system of rape and intimidation that causes helpless women to bear more slaves to feed Islam. You rape a 12 year old Christian girl and call her a convert. You threaten her family with death if they dare to complain. She is impregnated right away and terrorized for the rest of her life. THIS is the temporary victory of Islam. I say temporary because the conflagration that is coming will engulf you and Islam will lose. If you were a right thinking person the innocent blood that Islam has shed and the thousands of lives it has degraded would rise up and choke you. I believe we will live to see the irrelevance of Islam as an influence in the modern world. Your temporary rise was due to oil.Your temporary influence in Western countries has been due to your ability to buy corrupt politicians and newsmen to front for you. Islam will experience the bloodbath it has tried to unleash on others. It is a fascist system as purely evil as any I have seen and you will be been defeated by better men.
    I saw a video of a Russian woman being beheaded by Muslims.I recommend it your attention They did not listen to her pleas. They performed their jihad and cut off her head. You are a liar and an enemy.
  • Beejj
    Oh, dear Bronwyn, thou shalt never be a Cassandra! What a woman you are! Your opening sentence, "Women have been dying from too much protection for 1400 years" deserves a place of honour in Infidelesto's Quotes section.
  • hellosnackbar
    I'll second that Beej!
  • "all of those rules were made to PROTECT women"

    HAHAHAHAHAH

    calling you an idiot would be an insult to idiots.
  • Born & raised in Canada
    that's your wise rebuttal? clearly you're just ignorant and intent on defacing the name of Islam for some personal issues you don't wanna assume blame for and consequently take the "easy way out" by misinterpreting the beautiful message outlined in the Quran. You look at any story from decades ago from any religion and in today's society we can be happy that our situation is not the same anymore. But no, clearly only Islam is in the wrong right? I assume you also think we still speak the same english spoken in the 1500's? and the 600's? and what about before that? Also, the Quran is written in Arabic, Olden Arabic thus the translation does not do it justice. I don't speak arabic but I have been learning the word to word translation of the Quran and all I can say is every day a new beautiful meaning submerges from the words on the pages of the Quran, and if you feel you have any right to ever analyze a book or a writing, you should study it carefully, not based on "findings of others" or "interpretations" and then make your "wise" accusations.
  • Beejj
    It intrigues me when you say you have been learning the "word to word translation" of the Koran, and that every day a new beautiful meaning emerges. I am intrigued because whenever Muslims read translations by, I suggest, more erudite scholars than you, they invariably claim such works to be "misrepresentations", whatever that is supposed to mean. Ah, I see you do so yourself.
  • hellosnackbar
    Born and raised in Canada were you?;but you smoke Koran.
    You should know by now that such imbibition of mind bending shit results in the creation of serious mental disease
    (the evidence is overwhelming).
    Whilst sympathising with your suffering from this pernicious pathology I can offer a remedy!
    All the nonsense you have been taught about that famous desert psychotic Moped is fanciful rubbish!
    Allah was a figment of his diseased mind!
    There is no evidence that he travelled to heaven on a space fairing donkey'!
    The Koranus is a pitiful jumble of artifice!
    Got that?
    Dump Islam and try again to join the human race!
    You know this makes sense!









  • I hear from fools like you all the time. I'm not going to get into it, go ahead and read the entire thread... actually, read many of the posts on this forum before spouting your disgusting Islamist agenda.

    I feel very sorry for you and the Islamist indoctrination you've become victim to . Actually, you're not a victim. You're just an enemy.
  • BlackJack
    Very true. Quraan can easily be interpreted as a dangerous religion. But so can Chrisianity. Stoning to death also exist in the bible. To see a milder, non-fundamentalist approach to Islam just look at countries like Turkey, Bosnia or Albania where most of the population is muslim, but yet polygamy doesn't exist, woman have the same rights as men, woman doesn't cover themself up and drinking alcohol isn't forbidden (on the contrary turkey has many famous wine and beers). It's easy to judge a religion by silly texts written in the name of it. Have you haver seen a fundamentalist middle-American christian? Rest assured, he is in no way better or more tolerant than a pathehtic arab funtamendalist. Interpreting religious texts... can make religions beautiful or they can make them openly dangerous.
  • Beejj
    "Stoning to death exists in the Bible." True. It exists in an old book. It also exists to-day in certain Islamic countries. See the difference?
  • funkybarfly
    If it wasn't for Ataturk willfully disregarding the most pious adherents of that vile "book",Turkey would be no better than Iran or Pakistan.
    Have you considered that?
    Bosnia?
    Albania?
    That's the best you can do?
    Bosnia is full of Albanians anyway isn't it?
    Usurpers.
  • Çetin Dolmayan
    Good point but do not be fooled by thinking the Bible is any better. For sexist and prejudical passages from the Christian holy book please have a look at http://nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm
  • JEWHAWK
    " by thinking the Bible is any better "

    I do not think. It is.

    The Bible simply laid the very foundations on which the Western
    Civilization was built upon.

    The Qur'anus simply laid the foundations of the WORST rhetoric
    ever created in human history and justified TERRORISM on each
    spot of the globe where muslims exist.
  • " do not be fooled by thinking the Bible is any better"

    LOL!
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