Tell every woman you know about these verses. The oppression of women that Islam advocates is not only disturbing, but is direct contrast with everything that Western civilization stands for when it comes to the rights of women.
These are referenced from an article published from the American Thinker in 2005. Each one goes into much greater detail if you are interested in reading more on each verse. The article is here: Top 10 rules in the Quran that oppress women
10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:
Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)
9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.
The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:
. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)
8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.
The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:
The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)
7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.
The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:
And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).
6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.
The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:
And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)
5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:
And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).
4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:
And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)
3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:
It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)
2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:
4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)
1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.
The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:
65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)
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Good morning, Wordgirl. I would be grateful if you would tell me about the science of the Koran and its finding favour in the eyes of scientists.
10) Your comment: “Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like.” The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223.
This is not complete and translations differ, but the full meaning of this is the following: “Women are where you sow your seed, so sow your seed whenever you want!” This is also followed by these cautioning verses, “And Be Righteous, and Fear God, knowing you will be meeting Him.” All these put together set the rules for the main reason behind marriage; that is, not Just sex, but FAMILIES and Children. A reality of life that some of us chooses to ignore or belittle. It’s about commitment to having and raising a family. A woman in Islam can not be forced to have sex with her husband, but if both are healthy and have no medical issues, she is asked to give her husband when he asks just he is asked to give his wife when she asks.
9) Your comment: “Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status.” The Quran in Sura 2:228.
A degree is a reference to the hierarchy in any institution. Marriage in Islam is an institution and must be run like one to succeed. If you own a company (or a country) you wouldn’t have two presidents. One will be in charge and others will work with him to help the company be successful. Any time you have a team and you are out to accomplish a few goals, you appoint a team leader to make sure things are going as planned, but that doesn’t mean that the effort isn’t collective and everyone must put in to make the goals. Same thing is here. You have to appoint a leader to make things work in a marriage. If you leave that undecided, the marriage will be full of conflicts and will fail. That’s where the man is one degree above the woman, in that he is responsible to making sure the goals of raising the family is being achieved and that the family is provided for. If the wife chooses to assist by working and providing that doesn’t relieve the man from his responsibility as the one who must provide.
Again, you are judging on what you are reading, not on what is behind all this. When a woman gets married she is part of her husband’s family and he is the provider for her and the kids. Also, the man must pay her a dowry before marriage which could be a huge sum of money. That said, it leaves a huge burden on the man to provide while the women are relieved from that burden. The inheritance takes that into consideration. Eventually, the woman will get the shares of her husband from his inheritance so it all balances out in the end.
7) Your comment: “A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.” The Quran in Sura 2:282.
This is when dealing with lending money to others. It specifically says when you contract a debt for a specific term, write it down and have two men witnesses and if two men aren’t available then a man and two women.
With money emotions run high and we all know that memory is closely tied to emotions. Recently, conducted experiments at Cornell’s Memory and Neuroscience Laboratory showed that experiences that excite negative emotions are very bad for the accuracy of children’s memories and worse for adults.
(from http://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/06/30/emotion-affects-memorys-reliability.html) .
When an experience has negative emotional qualities, true memory levels are lowest and false memory levels are highest. We don’t have to remind everyone that women are more emotional than men and their physiology contributes mostly to that: frequent menstrual periods, pregnancies, social factors, etc…
Some women experience emotional disturbances associated with menstruation. These range from the irritability popularly associated with premenstrual syndrome (PMS), to tiredness, or “weepiness” (i.e. tears of emotional closeness).
A similar range of emotional effects and mood swings is associated with pregnancy (from Giannini AJ, Price WA, Loiselle RH (June 1984). “beta-Endorphin withdrawal: a possible cause of premenstrual tension syndrome”. Int J Psychophysiol ).
The prevalence of PMS is estimated to be between 3% and 30% (from NIH Press Release-Hormones Trigger PMS Symptoms – 01/21/1998″. http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jan98/nimh-21.htm ) (and from Dean BB, Borenstein JE, Knight K, Yonkers K (2006). “Evaluating the criteria used for identification of PMS”. J Womens Health).
Additionally, in rare cases, in individuals susceptible to psychotic episodes, menstruation may be a trigger (menstrual psychosis).
With a volcano of emotions that are caused by physiological events that take place in a woman’s body almost daily, the testimony of a woman regarding issues of money had to be evaluated and presented. Hence the recommendation to have two women to testify instead of a man just in case one of them errs or forgets due to her physical condition.
6) Your comment: “A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.” The Quran in Sura 2:230.
These are rules for troublesome marriages that you are failing to understand. Marriage isn’t a game. Islam points to that and is hard on those who wish to play games with marriage and the lives of those in the middle of it. So if a man divorces his wife and re-marries her and he does so three times, then after the third divorce, the man loses the right to remarry the same woman. This is a cause for an ALARM to both the man and the woman to get their acts together and fix their problems before they decide they are divorcing for the third time. It’s a way of saying either the fix is permanent or no more. It’s either you fix it or you lose it because they cannot remarry for the fourth time until the woman has married another man and divorced him. How often does this happen?
5) Your comment: “Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.” The Quran in Sura 4:24
The situation that was created by the idol worshippers in pre-Islamic days led to rules that had to deal with pre-existing conditions. Those are conditions that cannot be ignored when dealing with life and reality. In pre-Islam, when wars were waged and the winners took slaves, they considered women slaves as their part of their harem. They did not call them wives so not to insult their first wife but they counted them as their slave women, their harem. Islam looked at these slaves as their women and even though it pushed to free all slaves, men and women, it did not go against the status quo so not to cause a social uproar. Islam put forth a methodology to eventually free all slaves, and made enslaving new ones illegal. Those who could not perform their religious duties or make false sworn testimonies or not fasting during Ramadan were asked to release their slaves gradually. This verse and after freedom was granted to all slaves doesn’t apply to present conditions.
4. Your comment: “A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.” The Quran in Sura 4:3.
Islam gives man the option to marry more than one woman if he chooses to do so, however, it follows by saying, But if you fear that you will not be just (fair to them) then ONLY ONE! .. I don’t need to say more, the option is available but who can be fair to all of them, then let him take a chance. I believe this is better than saying NO you cannot have more than one wife. But ultimately it is like saying you CAN’T. Think about it.
3. Your Comment: “A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives…. It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense.” The Quran in Sura 4:129.
It doesn’t say anywhere that you can simply get rid of one of the undesirable wives. It is cautioning against leaning to one wife and leaving the other hanging if one of them is not too happy of the way they are treated… and that will obviously happen if a man marries more than one. So basically, it’s a call to resolve an existing conflict and not to desert a wife who is opposed to unfair treatment.
2. Your Comment: “Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls. The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4. O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.”
These are divorce rules for different situations that may be present with women. To understand the verse you need to understand the main rule. Rule #1: If a woman is granted a divorce she has to wait three menstrual periods (the prescribed waiting) before her divorce is final. With that said, many questions arise: the WHAT Ifs. And this verse addresses those ‘what ifs”. For example, what if a woman doesn’t have a period or a regular period or a woman is in menopause, or a woman is pregnant but can have a period and so on. It has nothing to do with marrying pre-pubescent girls. In fact, one of the conditions of a marriageable girl is that she can menstruate.
2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:
4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great.
There is a rule and there is an exception to the rule. The rule is, men cannot beat their wife and children. This is an Islamic Law. They must treat them with respect. The exception to the rule comes in this verse when a woman is doing in secret, behind the man’s back, what she shouldn’t, not guarding her chastity.
The previous verse refers to women protecting in secrecy what Allah asked them to protect to be considered a devout wife to her husband. The next verse refers to those who are not, by saying and if you have fears that they are not devout, and the word noshooze is used which means many things that the woman could be doing. I read 10 translations of the Quran and this word is translated differently in each one here are the words:
A noshooze woman is someone with: “Highhandedness” your version, arrogance, rebellion, desertion, disloyalty, ill-conduct, refractoriness, who is averse, ill-willed, and disobeys God’s laws.
You imagine dealing with such person who is all of the above and imagine how you are to react to their rebellious behavior knowing that they are mis-conducting themselves behind your back and tell me how you would react when you first lay an eye on her? If I may answer, many of us are weak when they are angry and the first thing they want to do is push and shove and hit and so on. Islam absorbs anger with this systemic strategy.
The first thing a man must do is talk to them… Everyone who is against Islam jumps to the beating part. But Talk is the first thing to do. By doing so, Islam is allowing the two parties to absorb the anger that has been building within. If talking fails, then man can resort to punishment, by staying away from her in bed. If that doesn’t work then man is given permission to hit her and this is the last resort. For someone who is trying to save his marriage and his family this is not a terrible price to pay knowing that the beating in Islam cannot leave any marks on the body or the face. Meaning, it’s a disciplinary slap that does not harm but still sends a message that someone isn’t listening to reason.
The three steps take time to implement. After the talk, you wait and see ifit worked, then you leave them in bed and then wait and see the results and so on, so thattakes time and time also allows the two to absorb their anger. This is a special condition that has to do with a woman who is not guarding in secret what Allah has asked to guard, her chastity. It is not the general rule; it’s the exception and the last resort in the exception.
Don’t worry brothers and sisters, “You are certainly greater in being feared in their hearts than Allah; that is because they are a people who do not understand”. 59:13
I really wonder at the hatred you have for a person who is so clearly not an imbecile and, to the contrary, has been rather coherent, polite and forthcoming on the subjects with which she has been presented. It seems that the people on this forum who show ignorance and a lack of proper breeding are not myself and the other representatives of Islam. I’m sorry that you are so angry, but, of course, that is not my problem. Good luck to you, Ahmadiggin.
Beejj, here is just one example:
http://www.islamicbulletin.com/newsletters/issue_6/embraced.aspx
The actual book is called “The Bible, the Qur’an and Science” by Dr. Maurice Bucaille.
Wordgirl, I just read this piece about Maurice Bucaille. Dear oh dear! To begin with, he was just an ordinary French physician, not a scientist, let alone a prominent one. To use a cricketing term, he does not have the runs on the board. His denial of Darwin’s beautiful revelation rendered me speechless. Evolution is a fact. (I urge you to read Dawkins.) Actually, the piece says nothing to support your idea that the Koran has scientific merit, and I am surprised that someone of your intelligence should believe it does. Tell me, what was your reaction when you read Bucaille’s bizarre thoughts about the human heart: “It is not an apparent and perceptible organ of the body. It is the abode of faith and source of eternal light”? Phew!
Actually, we DO understand, quite well. That is why this blog, and many like it exist. To spread KNOWLEDGE and TRUTH. Unlike islam which keeps adherent in ignorance, misery and often poverty.
The only change you will be able to effect is getting yourself killed for speaking out of place. Or you will have to live in hiding, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, et al.
Of course we worry about those who (as you claim) misinterpret the quran! They are KILLING TENS OF THOUSANDS! Including muslims, who are deemed not islamo-jihadi enough. When are you going to get it through your skull that islam is the problem, muslims are the victims?
Yet your rather coherent,polite and forthcoming disposition doesn’t extend to answering a simple question.
Wondering at a perceived hatred,and feigning offense to avoid giving an answer is a very Islamic trait.In reality, nothing more than an exercise in sugaring your bullshit for the benefit of idiots.
How many wives will you allow YOUR husband to have? Provided that he can afford them,of course.
As you didn’t answer my last question I don’t expect a reply to this one.
And this: “…so clearly not an imbecile” .Really,is it that clear?
On the contrary we do understand and what we understand is that the religion of peace is a dangerous enslaving
ideology of the insane.
Well I’ve read that article and I can tell you that if he’d expressed heart function as described, as an undergraduate he would have been failed.(such opinion is hardly a practice builder).
In fact I’d be surprised if he’s still active as a surgeon?(unless all his patients are Muslim)
If you want an example of a Muslim scientist then there is Prof Jim Al Khalili.
He is a physicist with an amazing ability to explain complicated concepts in physics to the relatively uneducated.
His documentary Atom is outstanding; as well as his seminal tv documentary “the secret life of chaos”.
But Jim is a Muslim with a microscopic M;in one scene he’s in a pub clearly enjoying a pint of best.
I suspect that was a deliberate insertion;to ward off Muslims seeking his support.
And like almost all theoretical physicists I suspect that he couldn’t give a toss about his Islam.
In the atom series he gives much prominence to the work of Paul Dirac(perhaps as important as Einstein he muses).
You can watch all this http://www.topdocumentaties.com and with your clear intelligence perhaps learn that the
rantings of a desert barbarian are nothing more than piffle.
Scientific empiricism is the way of the modern world;not 7th century facile fantasy.
Atheism makes for a much more rational and progressive world;eschewing Allah, and all the rest of the silly space monsters of history.
One last thing, you are trying to put the fear in people that one day they will be forced to convert. You are using non-muslims threat to ignite fear in people (smart one). Just for your readers and for you, True Islam has spread on its own. People who actually read it and study the meaning convert on their own. Their are no missionaries in Islam so no you don’t go to different countries and offer materialistic stuff to those who are suffering in exchange for converting. Those terrorist (non-muslims) who are making threats are NOT muslims. They are a cult, kind of what you have created. Those who have converted, converted by truly studying Islam not listening to some nut case who is creating hate and fear towards something he’s scared he may convert if he understood it. Why else would you hate something so much when YOU KNOW ISLAM DIDN”T CAUSE THESE ATTACKS? IT’s people with your mentality that has!!!
It is right and proper of you, Wordgirl, to point out the hideous ideas and teachings which abound in what you call the “holy” books. Is it not astonishing that so many people continue to buy and read such books? You end by expressing the hope that we might find a way to get along with each other. A laudable sentiment, but if history teaches us anything it is that the greatest obstruction to our ever doing so is religion. It is the consuming cancer of the human race, and god is our vilest invention. Yet, as long as people subscribe to such an absurd notion (hoping perhaps that it is an insurance policy to achieve everlasting life in the “hearafter’) and to brainwash their children into a state of terror if they do not follow the party line, religion will continue to exert its baleful influence.
It is right and proper of you, Wordgirl, to point out the hideous ideas and teachings which abound in what you call the “holy” books. Is it not astonishing that so many people continue to buy and read such books? You end by expressing the hope that we might find a way to get along with each other. A laudable sentiment, but if history teaches us anything it is that the greatest obstruction to our ever doing so is religion. It is the consuming cancer of the human race, and god is our vilest invention. Yet, as long as people subscribe to such an absurd notion (hoping perhaps that it is an insurance policy to achieve everlasting life in the “hearafter’) and to brainwash their children into a state of terror if they do not follow the party line, religion will continue to exert its baleful influence.
It is right and proper of you, Wordgirl, to point out the hideous ideas and teachings which abound in what you call the “holy” books. Is it not astonishing that so many people continue to buy and read such books? You end by expressing the hope that we might find a way to get along with each other. A laudable sentiment, but if history teaches us anything it is that the greatest obstruction to our ever doing so is religion. It is the consuming cancer of the human race, and god is our vilest invention. Yet, as long as people subscribe to such an absurd notion (hoping perhaps that it is an insurance policy to achieve everlasting life in the “hearafter’) and to brainwash their children into a state of terror if they do not follow the party line, religion will continue to exert its baleful influence.
HSB, I find it deeply significant that mohammedans, in their desperation, cling to the vacuous rantings of intellectual fleas such as Bucaille. Hell’s teeth, he was (he’s dead) a physician! Next, they’ll be holding up a radiographer or nurse or podiatrist or dentist (!) as a scientific guru!
I note with pleasure your reference to Dirac, arguably the greatest of the Quantum lads.. He used his mammoth intellect to pour scorn upon the notion that god exists, which prompted Pauli to come forth with the immortal line, “God does not exist, and Paul Dirac is his prophet!”
Haters be hatin’. You’re all wrong. Come on people. Kiss each hug each other and be happy. We’re in this all together.
Go preach that in Saudi Arabia, or Iran. We’ll hold a candle light vigil for you when they toss you in jail, and you end in a way that can only be described as brutally pornographic.
So you’re asking for a”hug a Mohammedan day.”
Sorry old chum hugging and petting the human(barely) equivalent of rabid dogs seems somewhat foolhardy?
Yes Beejj curiously anyone who denies(in my opinion)evolution as anything other than demonstrable fact;belongs in the same group as the flat earth society members.
It’s my own sine qua non for stupidity.
Even the Catholic church now accept it;knowing that if they don’t they’ll be laughed at.
HSB, there are those who will only agree that evolution is a reality when they see a rabbit giving birth to a horse. They have no conception of the vast time scale essential to the development of species; none whatever. They consider time in terms of a single human lifespan. Even when you point out that rabbits’ resistance to myxomatosis is evolution at work, they remain stubbornly resistant to the truth. Difficult things, big numbers. As an aside, but retaining the flavour, when the global financial ruckus occurred I heard on the news that in a single day the Australian Stock Market had lost 50 billion dollars (the American billion). I posed the question to my class: Given that there are 6 x 10(exp)23 atoms in just 12 gram of carbon, how long would it take the Stock Market to lose this number of dollars if it lost $50 billion every day? Work it out: the answer will shock you. Ah, big numbers!
I gave you the link but referred you to his book, which I have read. I did not read that article, but only listed it so that you could see to whom it was that I refer. In my experience, physicians are scientists, but your opinion is certainly your right. I find it interesting that you and snackbar point to Khallili; he is only one of many, as I stated before, scientists who have written either about Islam and science or some related matter dealing with the Qur’an. I can see, however, that you are both more than moderately hostile to any defense of my beliefs, so I will leave you to your bickering. Just as a final comment, I believe that Bucaille was referring to the metaphorical heart — like the one that breaks when your love leaves you or the one that fills when you find something dear — and not the muscle that pumps blood to our organs.
Oh, and just to be clear, I accept the theory of evolution; in fact, I do not find it to be in contradiction with Islam.
To answer your initial question: I was not drafted into Islam. I chose it as an individual who committed years of study and research. I am completely aware of the religious laws of Islam and the consequences of apostasy. It was the same as when I was a Christian, as the punishment for leaving Christianity is also death.
As to how many wives I will allow my husband to have, the answer is one. Unless I find myself in circumstances that make it more meaningful for us that he have more that one; but we live in America, so it is not a realistic proposition for us, nor is it something I would like or prefer. But that is a matter for individuals to discuss. I cannot presume to speak for everyone.
Mohammedan/Mohammaden, perhaps you should spell-check your name before attempting a childish insult.
Also Momed,Mo,Mohommed,moh(insert phlegm sound)et and Moped.Stick your spell check firmly up your burqa!
“It was the same as when I was a Christian, as the punishment for leaving Christianity is also death. ”
More taqiyya.Which brand of Christianity was that?
“nor is it something I would like or prefer”
Why? In what circumstances could it possibly make your life more “meaningful” to share your greedy husband with another wife or three? And why then would you condone it for the millions of Muslim women who aren’t fortunate enough to live in America and decline the bullshit attempt to excuse polygamy and misogyny?
I think you need to go live in Saudi for awhile.
Wordgirl, if you think physicians are scientists, you have no idea of what a scientist is, let alone science itself. This is not an opinion of mine, but a fact. I have not read Bucaille’s book, nor do I intend to after reading the link you gave me – a link that milked his mistaken views for all its worth since he was doing his level best, poor fellow, to say something nice about Islam.
Please don’t take this personally. It is not my intention to bicker, so do not demean me by suggesting such is my aim. I simply took you up on your assertion that science is in agreement with the Koran. It is not. Science is not in agreement with any religion. They are not on speaking terms. Yes, certain branches of the religious world eventually come to their senses when forced to accept scientific views (and cease burning people at the stake for their heathen truths) but science cares not a jot for such favours. Science is the pursuit of truth, so how can it ever see any value in superstition and the worshipping of invented gods? I am relieved, though, that unlike Bucaille, you give credence to Darwinian ideas, but I would, if I may, ask you to give an account of how you reconcile Islamic teaching with evolution. Now that we have kicked the absurd Bucaille out of the way, perhaps you would also do me the honour of naming the scientists (yes, SCIENTISTS) who go in to bat for Islam – or any other religion, for that matter.
The punishment for leaving Christianity is death? Since when? I left Christianity as soon as I was mature enough to value reason and to use logic, and that was a VERY long time ago. I know many others who have also closed their eyes to superstition. We are all hale and healthy and do not fear a parcel of Christianity’s equivalent of mullahs or imams to come knocking at our doors in the dead of night. In truth, I have NEVER felt hostility from a Christian or Jew for my denial of god’s existence. So what’s all this about death being the punishment for leaving Christianity? (You are still alive, aren’t you?) But perhaps you are referring to the imaginary death that happens after death – all that guff about hell. Yes? Lots of evidence for it, isn’t there?
“We’re all in this together.” Ah, is THAT what Allah Akhbar – the last words of those kissers and huggers of people who flew the airliners into the Twin Towers – means?
By the way, I just clicked a “like” for you in error.
Aint nothing wrong with mixed age couples as long as theyre are BOTH consentual. Ageism is no different from racism. Prejudice is prejudice.
As with all religions Islam is split into many sects.Then it is translated by each group to fit their agendas.The majority of Muslims consider themselves superior to everyone since they know and follow the 1 true god.They give the value of Jews,Christians,Hindus and Budhist lives as 1/3 of themselves.Any comment or action that offends their version of Islam is considered an attack on Allah and an invitation to war.It is all semantics and rhetoric.You can preach and quote anything.It may sound good but then review the peaceful actions- honor killings,stonings,beheading,hangings 16k bombings since 2001,child porn,gangs of child molesters,beatings on and on.The Quran is used for religion and law.Laws from it support retaliation,amputation,removal of tongues,slavery,castration of slaves,death for huge multitudes of sins including homosexuality .Everything is sweetness and goodness and peaceful ,then something offends them and they exact retribution,then everything is peaceful and good and nice.
Kind of like Jonestown crossed with Hitler.Think Moonies crossed with Charles Manson.
They need a huge amount of converts to gain the power they desire,so will adjust their maleable beliefs to include all they can indoctrinate.Remember – Allah is all.He sees all,controls,justifies and loves and forgives all done in his name.For this you are his instrument,servant,can pray 5x a day,avoid pigs,must reproduce continually-with anyone you can to make more followers,pay taxes to the poor,and do everything your Imam says.Including die and kill.
Yes Beej I conjecture that Avogadro’s work is not currently on the madrassa curriculum?
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