Top 10 Quran quotes every woman MUST SEE

This makes me so sick to my stomach. Thank you for sharing this, I will keep this personally. On a side note, thank you for all the content and multiple posts a day, you are doing awesome!

his is my new favorite website!! Thank you so much Mr. InfidelsAREcool!!

This list can account for one of the main reasons that a Hilary Clinton supporting "liberal" minded 28 years old poet/law student had for supporting the liberation of the people living in the Muslim societies in the middle east!!!

The problem now is with the funds, and the fact that the dictators we are fighting have proven a most brutal, unworthy type of foe.

I honestly hope that Prez Obama is realizing, without bringing down moral support for
our troops,
who are working SOOOOOO hard.. so hard we can' even imagine,

In the frikkin DESERT
fighting the good fight, the one our forefathers dreamt of..

Spreading tolerance

Which these middle eastern societies have not had the luxury of for the past thousands!? of years

Perhaps, it's now the time to negotiate with our minds
and sacrifice a handshake to a bow
Instead of the lives of our brothers and sisters, and children,
fathers and mothers, and friends

to an adversary unworthy of the cost of humanity

I wanted Hillary for president but alas...

Idiot! We call her Hitlery. She really is as vicious a bitch as Michelle Omaba, who is the worst racist in politics.

I think that America has bigger problems than to wage wars on other peoples deserts.

Something like
14.5 million unemployed (www.bls.gov)
35.5 million hungry (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27771447/)
this list cold go long (I hope that you got the point)

First fix and correct your own society and then go out and introduce it to others as the way to be and live - feel free to force it down the throat then.

But don't go out and force others to comply to something that doesn't work back at home.

And considering tolerance in those societies for last "couple of" centuries - yesterdays slave was able to become leader almost over night - and most importantly he was able to buy himself out of slavery - he was not sentenced to slavery for his entire life and religion promoted freeing of slaves.
And Christians and Jews were living pretty decently under those intolerant ones until "tolerant" European westerners crusaders came and slaughter everyone in Palestine (including Christians, Jews, Muslims and others).

Ignorance is worst thing that one can have - don't be proud of it.

God help you and your ignorance...read a book for f***'s sake

you should be able to tolerate comments if ur willing to post this and forcing ppl to tolerate ur opinions and read things that are not facts mr. infidelesto.

uh, the comments are still up, aren't they? I can disagree with someone while still tolerating it. If I didn't tolerate, I would delete.

btw, I'm not forcing you to tolerate anything on this site. You can click off the website if you don't like it.

Why are people so stupid?

fuck infidelesto!!! lol
ok im a JEW and i still have more respect for the muslims than the people of chirst! how about open the quran and tell me the chapters they,false info, are in? ur saying Maududi ok that NOT the quran! for shit sake! wow im a jew and even i know better.

I'm sure your "respect" for muslims is a nice comfort for all the Palestinians your ilk has slaughtered over the years.

Your wives are a tilth for you , so go to your tilth how you will” ( Surah Al-Baqarah 2: Ayah 223)

This beautiful verse has a very deep meaning. - where the act of sex is compared with cultivation. "A tilth refers to the cultivation of land and the comparison of implantation of the blastocyst (structure formed in the early embryogenesis of mammals) to the planting of a seed is a very appropriate one. Just as soil covers the seed, the uterine epithelium covers the implanted blastocyst. - The blastocyst soon develops chrionic villi for acquiring nourishment from the maternal blood. Similarly the embryo formed from the seed develops roots for acquiring nourishment from the soil."
what is tilth and who on earth uses it? The word TILTH is something a FARMER would be familiar with - a farmer has a deep love for his land which he has to look after with utmost care and respect - Factors that determine tilth include the formation and stability of aggregated soil particles, moisture content, degree of aeration, rate of water infiltration, and drainage. -
I HOPE YOU CAN APPRECIATE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY UNDERSTAND THIS !!!!
So in the quran it states a mans wife is compared to a TILTH - She must be cared for in every way - as a farmer would care his land - a beautiful metaphore from a beautiful poem !!! It is also known that pregnancy starts with fertilization.
And there is no better way to describe the ACTUAL CULTIVATION OF THE EGG INSIDE A WOMAN WITH SPERM, (on a biological level that modern science has now proven) BY COMPARING IT TO A TILTH.

The tilth of a soil can change rapidly, depending on environmental factors such as changes in moisture. The objective of tillage (mechanical manipulation of the soil) is to improve tilth, thereby increasing crop production; - very complex just like a woman !! lol !!!!

The second part brings a sexual meaning to this verse - "so go to your tilth how you will"
This can mean many things - any sexual position is ok to use - During the time period this verse was sent down there was many arguments regarding sexual positions - the jewish men of Medina in saudia arabia liked to have sex with the women of all fours (you may call this doggy style lol!!) and the muslim women did not prefer this style - hence the statement in the quran to allow all styles permissable to use.
It also gives permision for men to literally GO TO YOUR TILTH AS YOU WILL - you have to keep in mind a TILTH is not there to be abused it must be cared for with repsect and love - so a husband can go to hs wife when he pleases obviously not doing anything to degrade her for example force her to have sex - do you think a farmer will force seeds to grow on his land? obviously not he must wait for the right time and ensure his land is properly fertilised and nurished and cared for beforehand !!!

I hope you can understand how simple this verse it but how complex the meaning is - the average human may not understand it and will automatically assume things without researching - it has always been there infromtof your eyes you have chosed not to understand it !!! LOL - silly really in this so called modern age we have ignorant people. did you ever google TITLH and do you now what philosophy is ( that wasnt a question so please dont answer it) lol i cant stop laughing LMAO !!!!

I will write about your other quotes shortly !! god willing (inshallah)
peace be upon you.

your second quote :
Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status

This beutifull verse i will attempt to explain.
Firstly what is a DEGREE ?? 360 degrees in a circle. 90 degress in a right angle.

Twelve spokes, one wheel, navels three.
Who can comprehend this?
On it are placed together
three hundred and sixty like pegs.
They shake not in the least.
(Dirghatama, Rig Veda 1.164.48)

So in this verse the most high tells us men are a very small fraction 1/360 higher than women !! 1 degree - its physically nothing but something none the less.
Now what are Men higher (by a degree) than women in ? could it be economically ? intelligence ? physically ?

A true man should be a leader of his family - make all decisions - do all of the hard physicall work just like our forefathers did !! - (mow the lawn, DIY jobs, go out to the office to work etc)
A true man should want to create families that are loving, lively and happy. Most men aswell as most women will agree Men in generall are slightly (maybe a degree or 2!!!) higher in most aspects than women. OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE A RARE CASE WHERE A WOMAN MAY BE PHYSICALLY STRONGER THAN MOST MEN OR MENTALLY MORE CAPABLE THAN MOST MEN - I AM TALKING GENERALLY!!!

Now please dont confuse the two words - FEMENIST (PURE EVIL) and FEMININE

A feminine woman has the effect of a sunrise on a man's soul. Nothing on earth is so fine. On this continent, increasingly nothing is so rare.

A feminine woman is motivated by love of husband and children. She is the heart of the family, devoted to her husband and children's well being. A feminine woman may have another career but it is her second priority. She is not driven by personal ambition. Just as the woman is the heart of the family, the man is the head and shoulders. A feminine woman is her husband's partner. They make decisions together but he has the last word. Men must be the visionaries, captains and navigators. A woman's most important decision is the man she chooses to love and marry.

A feminine woman tries to please the man she loves. No, this has not been outlawed, it just seems that way. A feminine woman generates love by giving love. She empowers her man by believing in him. Love is expressed in actions and effort. Baking a pie is an act of love. So is making the home beautiful. Are we so blind, impoverished and demoralized that we cannot appreciate this? Why have we allowed feminists to stigmatize homemaking? Women would be more than happy to be homemakers if it received the recognition and appreciation that it deserves.

A feminine woman is reserved. She wants a man to pay attention to "her" so she doesn't flaunt her sexuality. A woman wants to be loved more than anything in the world. She wants to be "known" in all her divinity. This happens when she is truly loved. Is it a coincidence the Bible uses the word "know" as in Abraham "knew" Sarah, to speak of sexual intercourse? All women are beautiful when they are loved. Women's liberation has taught women to pursue sex for its own sake, as though they were men. This is not feminine. If a man prefers a new car, why would he marry a "used" woman?

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A feminine woman may have another career but it is her second priority. She is not driven by personal ambition. I liked the movie "Legally Blonde" because the heroine showed that she could excel in the work world but why bother? She had a more important goal: a husband and family.

Career is a feminist lie. Since when are careers the source of human fulfillment? What is so great about being an Assistant Loan Manager at a bank? Is society expected to provide legions of eager feminists with "fulfilling" careers to compensate for their loveless lives?


Women should try to be more FEMININE and accept that they should do what they CAN do best which is raise a loving home and loving kids.
Sadly most women now use the excuse of feminist ideology (which has been created by zionist organisations and sponsered by rothschild) to delay home making in the pursuit of so called freedom that they are equal to men and must do and prove to men that they are equal !!!
Women must accept that they should not consider themselves Men they are not, a woman is woman and man is a man !!!

God treats men and women as spiritual equals., Quran 3:195 tells us :

"Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you MALE OR FEMALE, YOU ARE EQUAL TO ONE ANOTHER........."

in 4:124,

"As for those who lead a righteous life, MALE OR FEMALE. while believing, they enter Paradise; without the slightest injustice"

NOW I CAN ALMOS PREDICT WHAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WRIGHT !! PLEASE DONT QUOTE ME ANY BULL S**T HADEETHS WRITEN 200/300 YEARS AFTER MOHAMMAD DIED !!!! I AM A TRUE MUSLIM WHO USES THE QURAN ONLY FOR GUIDANCE -

"Therefore, woe to those who distort the scripture with their own hands, then say, "This is what GOD has revealed," seeking a cheap material gain. Woe to them for such distortion, and woe to them for their illicit gains." (2:79)

I believe it is time to go back to the Quran, and believe God, before a day comes when the messenger will complain to God, that the Muslims deserted the Quran, 25:30

Kind Regards and peace be upon you

"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other FANCY WORDS, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it? You shall disregard them and their FABRICATIONS. This is t...o let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such FABRICATIONS, and accept them, and thus EXPOSE their real convictions." Surah 6:112-113

I have not read all of your sprawling message, having stopped doing so after your utter tommyrot pertaining to degree. I actually burst out laughing as you tried to explain everything in terms of the mathematical degree. Do you think we are fools? Have you no feeling for the English language? A man is 1/360th above a woman, or some such madness. Why did you not invent your bullshit in terms of degrees Fahrenheit or Celsius or Kelvin? Why not in terms of degrees of proof, as in the world of alcoholic beverages? I have several degrees, gained at various universities. Then there's the matter of first-degree murder. The word can be used in a multitude of different ways, but your feeble attempt to explain away Islam's hideous view of women in terms of division of the circle reaches new levels of absurdity and indicates your desperation to defend the indefensible. But let's humour you and go along with your 1/360 idea. This tiny difference gives you, the Muslim male the right to be polygamous, but not the Muslim female, yes? Gosh, what a big difference a little difference makes!

Beej,
congratulations on your academic success - im sure you have put it to good use.
Thanks for not reading all of my sprawling message....
The sprawling message would explain the questions you have asked if you read it. Or do you want me to repeat myself ?

As for Islam allowing Polygamy i will explain in detail the reasons and circumstances behind this - You being an educated person can make you own assumptions -

It should be remembered that taking more than one wife is only permissible, not ordained by the Quran - as some 'progressive' activist would like to believe. The Quranic verse that allows polygamy should be read in the context it was revealed. The Verse says, "And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two, three and four, but if you fear that you may not do justice to them, then (marry) only one" (4: 3). This verse was revealed after the battle of Uhud. In that battle, many Muslim men died and as such a great social problem for the protection of widows and orphans arose, necessitating an institutionalized polygamy for a convenient solution of the problem.

Some of the eminent Western scholars who actually studied Islam, quite blatantly criticized the Western and other self proclaimed writers for venting their opinion as facts. In her book The Life and Teachings of Muhammed, Dr. Annie Besant, the renowned English leader of Theosophical Movement, says: " There is pretended monogamy in the West, but in reality, there is polygamy without responsibility; the mistress is cast off when the man is weary of her ... the first lover has no responsibility for her future, and she is a hundred times worst off then the sheltered wife in a polygamous home. "When we see thousands of miserable women who crowd the streets of Western towns during the night, we must surely feel that it does not lie in the Western mouth to reproach Islam for polygamy. It is better for woman, happier for woman, more respectable for woman to live in polygamy, united to one man, only with a legitimate child in her arms and surrounded with respect, than to be seduced and then cast out into the streets perhaps with illegitimate child outside the rule of law, uncared, unsheltered, to become victim of any passer-by, night after night, rendered incapable of motherhood despised by all. "You can find others," continues Annie Besant, "stating that religion Islam is evil because it sanctions a limited polygamy. But you do not hear as a rule the criticism ... that monogamy with a blended mass of prostitution was a hypocrisy and more degrading than a limited polygamy. "... it must be remembered that the law of Islam in relation to women was until lately, when parts of it was imitated initiated in England, the most just law, as far as women are concerned, to be found in the world. Dealing with property, ...rights of succession,... cases of divorce, it was far beyond the law of the West, in the respect which was paid to the rights of women. Those things are forgotten while people are hypnotized by the words monogamy and polygamy and do not look at what lies behind it in the West - the frightful degradation of women..."

May i also remind during the time period of Mohmmad the Arab men (made rich from there exploits of the old Silk Route) would marry many wives and have many concubines - Islam came and put a limit on this and for Men to be able to deal equitably with his wives in the matter of providing food, housing, clothing, and expenses, and that he will also be able to divide his time between them. Any man who doubts that he will be able to fulfill all these obligations with justice and equality would be prohibited by Allah Almighty from marrying more than one woman. Further, a Muslim is prohibited to abuse this right. For Muslims living in non-Muslim lands, polygamy may not be practiced if it is illegal in a person's country of residence. So a Muslim living in those countries has to abide by such laws and not to violate them as long as he resides in that country.

Now there are so called muslims in the world today who abuse this right and i must state Islam does not encourage the abuse of women.

Peace be upon you

To Islam786,

i appreciate the time and effort tt u have taken to explain to the comments so far. Unfortunately, some brothers and sisters cannot understand what we put forth to them. Probably because Allah has veiled their visions . :)

May Allah reward you for actions and ibadah.

Islam is a beautiful, peace loving religion. It appreciates the position of women. This cant be explained more simply than just quoting the statistics that Islam is the fastest growing religion today. It takes an open mind, an open heart and alot of readings to understand this religion. I would appreciate if the non muslims could have an in depth understanding from various sources before blindly condescending any religion. Any religion - watever it may advocate- deserve a certain level of respect. At least for the willingness of the followers who have subscribed to the religion. Humanity after all.. :)

Hairun, read just a few hundred of the topics for discussion listed on this site, then come back to talk to us about your mind-boggling theories about Islam. Forget the damned book: look at the EVIDENCE.

hello, I'd like to say your comments have been amazing to read, i started reading the Quran the other day to prove to myself that the lies surrounding the faith are wrong. and when i came across these particular verses that this site quoted i was a little shocked, because i had interpreted it the way person who made this site interpreted them. However i very much agree with your interpretations and would like to ask if i could have your email address, i would like to ask for your interpretations on some other verses in the Quran, so i dont get the wrong idea.

as you can tell im new to the whole Islam faith but its all very interesting.
my email address is "andyblacklidge@hotmail.co.uk" send me an email if your okay helping me interpret the Quran verses properly.
thank you
andy

mr genius, the fact your a comp is due to a sincere invention, that is the basis of the conceptual composure of this machine in front of you is due to a culture that holds more phd's in ur religion than chrisitans themselves. The fact that you have the concievement to perceive that mathematics exist is what i would say, an extended basis on the proclamation of the bible, "The earth is flat". the irony in your perpetual misconception is that, walk to the nearest university, walk into the departments. the # of prof's and assoc prof's in the department of engineering, comp sci, comp eng, physics , chem, bio, especialy organic chem, are all muslim. you have the few exception who are chinease, even tho thers 300 miln muslim in china, it doesnt matter to me much. either way, walk to the environmental departments, youl find ur race, attempting to advocate a basic ethnic, to protect the environment lol. LOL, in our religion its forbidden to walk on grass purposefully, and to step on an ant is to have a great punishment come upon you in the hereafter. do u c the difference? ur race is declinin, because people are tryin to understand, who can i follow to a) live my life to the fullest, age wise too b) become sincere in ethnics, c) to succeed in establishin the roots of my existence.

do u think muslims go around makin websites all day to counter ur websites? no? do u kno y? caus its HIGHLY looked down upon, those who do not use every moment of this life to gain knowledge. write this down if u want, on the modern paper created by muslims, or go back to ur kitchen to eat on a TABLE LOL, with a spoon and a fork. do u kno who invented the spoon n fork? i bet u didnt know muslims dont eat food with spoons or forks, even tho we created them, look around u for the reason, and it shudnt be too hard. its much like alcohol, do u kno who invented alcohol? the muslims, i think you that alchol is forbidden by muslims the year it was invented because of the dangers and hazards it gave to the brain, and not too long ago i saw a 40s commerical of doctor offerin whiskey as medicine, and now u frown upon it? the inventors, muslims, frowned upon it 1200 years ago.... realize that our identities differ, providin urself with a lame excuse by re writing translations in english is a pathetic thing to do, because no lnguage can ever explain the beauty of arabic itself. if your so keen, go learn a tiny bit of arabic, its not much, like one verse has 20 words. and then u'l realize you only proved urself wrong.
Salam, peace be upon u, thats not even a grateful translation of the value aslamwalikam holds. w/e either way have fun

Mansoor, even my genius (nice of you to recognise it) is sorely exercised to make sense of your sprawling, garbled missive, although I admit it is always amusing to see Muslims trying to claim that all modern science is due to ancients of your faith. I was particularly impressed to read that Islam forbids the stepping on an ant: what a pity it continues to advocate death by stoning.

This is beautiful. People would not understand. I am a Muslim women and I love my religion and my faith. I cannot believe the things people say without research or reason, just because it's easier to judge than to understand.

Thank you for your defense of Islam. May Allah Bless you for it!

Muslim,

You are right: those of us who have not been poisoned by Islam cannot possibly understand. You think we judge Islam without reason? What is wrong with you?? Look at some of the postings on this site. Open some of the links listed on the main page. Look at the pretty "before and after" pictures of Muslim girls/women who dared to refuse a proposal or wanted to finish school.
http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/11/24/warningdi...
Their hideously disfigured faces will serve as a constant reminder of the "respect" they are entitled to under Islam. Please, save your BS that this is not condoned by the adherents of your filthy "religion". Everyday, we are given new reasons, more reasons to be disgusted by the "religion of peace". I have no respect for women who defend an ideology that treats women so brutally. To borrow a line from Beejj: “Any Muslim woman who claims that Islam does not oppress women deserves everything that befalls her.” This is true. Women who defend Islam must accept that they share responsibility for every woman who is beaten, flogged, raped, disfigured, stoned, or murdered for her "disobedience".

You think the things Islam786 said are "beautiful"? When you say "defending Islam", do you mean defending the rights of Muslim males to behave like pigs??

Islam786 said: “This is not feminine. If a man prefers a new car, why would he marry a "used" woman?” What a jerk.

“Women's liberation has taught women to pursue sex for its own sake, as though they were men.” So, men are allowed to "pursue sex for its own sake", but women are to remain chaste? How is this possible, or does the Muslim practice of having sex with goats and camels factor into his number of "conquests"?

"Obviously, there will be a rare case where a woman may be........mentally more capable than men". This coming from the author of these ignorant/stupid comments? Unbelievable!

“They make decisions together but he has the last word". Umm..."Thanks for your opinion, but I'm going to do whatever the hell I think is right and don't really give a damn what you think"! Gee, that sounds fair and equal!

Islam786 is not the "true" Muslim he claims to be. He is a traitor to his homeland, the UK, and should be dealt with as such. Apostates are issued a death sentence. I think the death sentence thing would be better served on those who convert to Islam. Muslims should be kept in one place and not spread out all over the globe.

Well, Islam786, it seems you are developing a following. I see AndyNDB is requesting your guidance. That's nice...Allah must be very pleased with you.

I just like the way you have responded. But you know one thing, i feel so much pain in me and will continue to pray for you and people like you to be able to identify the truth.

Those that will enter paradise will suffer for it so also those that will enter hell will suffer before they get there, what a painful thing for people who can't reflect.

Do you mean we should be tolerent toward people who treat their woman like that?
We should offer a helping hand to rescue those poor souls. Those girls who are forced to marriage before puberty? I think god has given us the power to save the world and it is god's will that America has led the world into the new century.

Problem is, stupid, that we're under attack from almost everywhere, including the socialist/progressives here in the US....the so-called president (who is actually a puppet) is one of them as well. Obama's election has had one very positive result though. The conservative majority has finally awakened and the commies will be seen going bye-bye very soon, starting in November. Hopefully, they will be unable to do too much damage before we kick them out. Get your shit together and try to pull your head out of your ass before you post that much ignorance.

do find hilarry clinton that follow liberal where is she now??

Wow... It's sad to see there's people as ignorant as you in our world..we need to unite to make changes not fight. There is no good war.... you dreamed of your brothers and sisters giving their lives away for nothing? It's time to wake up and realize the truth. It's never too late to change.

It would only sound sick to the truly ignorant who havent wasted a second looking at it and speaking to the MILLIONS of Muslims around the beautiful country...

the only "truly ignorant" you speak of are Muslims who have no clue about the ideology they're associated with.

i read the quran and everything that has been shown on this website is wrong, if u read the verse b4 and after u would realize the truth instead of taking only a piece and blowing out of proportion.
i read the bible as well, a verse says that Jesus is god then a few verses later it says Jesus is the link between mankind and god. there are also people who believe Jesus is the son of god. I seriously don't get it. Also the bible has been changed many many times while the quran has never been changed.
What im trying to say is do your own research and don't just believe some post made by some guy.

This site has many posts telling us about Muslim behaviour including the murder of raped girls to uphold family honour and an 80 year old man marrying a 10 year old girl. Are they all lies?

some might be lies but if someone kills someone or rapes or does anything that isn't permitted in Islam then he/she isn't a Muslim. For example if i call my self a Christian and go and do everything that is opposed by the religion. Does that make me a Christian?
So you shouldn't judge a religion by the actions of a few ppl that pretend to believe in that religion.
I bet u there are many Christians, Jews, Buddhists...... that don't follow there teachings but that doesn't give anyone the right to judge that religion

Using your own logic, why should we believe rantings made by "some guy", in
this case, Muhammad?

he wasn't some guy he is a prophet. If any of you people study the way he live it would bring tears to your eyes. But no. You go judging all off us. The prophet once ate a date he found in his own house and couldn't sleep because he wasn't sure who's date it was. He had so much love and respect, but look at you guys. The bible doesn't say your allowed to drink, steal or have premarital sex but you all do it. There's people that are gay and lesbian, there's transsexuals and bisexuals but you guys are so arrogant that you don't fix up your life you go and judge everyone else and you even have the decency to judge a prophet that live a life that you people are so far away from and on the day of resurrection when your standing there in front of god. what would you say then? and if you don't believe me you will pay the price in the next world and don't say i didn't warn you.

Can you prove irrefutable that he was a prophet, and not some guy ranting?

As for studying his life, it DID bring tears to my eyes, reading how he
molested a child, killed a woman who spoke against him, had entire tribes
massacred, all sorts of evil stuff he is worshipped for. No wonder the
middle east is such a quagmire. The majority of its inhabitants revere a
caravan robbing, killing, thieving pedophile as the perfect example of a
man.

You're damn right I live a life far from his. I have never robbed, molested
a child or taken an innocent life.

Why would you say this without 'actually' reading what's there in the Quran...or having the least idea of what's written in it?
Come on,not all things in life have TO have everybody to support it...there will be bad stuff so that we can appreciate what's good....hmm,...let's look at it this way...not everything in life has to be backed up with a proof for us to believe in them...um,like falling in love....would you apply your logic in there too?...that would be the best analogy i could put forth :)
you know,go ahead...try and find out what Quran is about...read it through...and i would be very,very surprised if you still said what you'd been saying.
PS:And if you really still think the same...then please stop saying it...hurts a lot of people:)

I did try to find out what the quran is about. That is why I am afraid. As
for asking me to stop repeating it, are you trying to deny me my God-given
right to free speech? Because it hurts people's feelings? If so, you truly
are a weak minded individual. Words only have power if you GIVE them power.
I have been called all sorts of racist names. None of it bothered me. They
are just words. Just like the quran. The difference is, my words don't
incite MILLIONS to violence. The quran's words do.

Wow,just because i decided not to argue with what you said,and put forth what i believe without swearing or being aggressive,you had to tag me as a
'weak minded individual'.So,is being strong all about shouting at the top of one's voice to prove one's point,or the one who's the loudest is the strongest?
I'm afraid my definition of strength and integrity is a little different from yours.
See Kal_El(i don't know your name),i think it's just a matter of perception.They say one sees what one wants to see.I try to find the positive traits,therefore i find the Quran absolutely Amazing,but you look at it from the beginning with hatred and so you have your opinions.I really wish i could show you how amazing it feels to believe what i do:)
Please don't tell me you didn't feel bad when you'd been called all those racist names.Everybody feels bad when Shit happens.

Maria,

I do look upon the quran with hatred. But it was not always like that. I
used to defend islam. I was ignorant about what islam truly is. My
perception changed. My eyes were opened when I started reading, and started
observing the actions of MILLIONS of muslims. I do not hate those muslims
who wish to practice their faith and leave others to practice their own, or
none at all. I hate those that would force islam on others. I hate those
that emulate the behavior of Muhammad in spreading islam through violence.
All of that is documented in the quran, hadith and sunna. There is no way
you can show me what it feels to believe what you do, as I am incapable of
worshipping a spinner of fairy tales.

As for how I felt when I was called racist names, it truly did not bother
me, because my parents raised me to realize that words are just words. Not
everyone feels bad when shit happens. Some, like me, deal with it, get over
it, and move on. Your belief in 7th century superstition and that everyone
is offended by words is what led to you being designated a weak minded
individual.

Kal_El,
I don't see any reason why i should be arguing with you when there is no way i could try and show you the truth(or fairy tales according to you).
And you're absolutely right,there is NOWAY anybody should ever try to force Islam or any other religion for that matter...on somebody else,Because that totally changes the meaning of Faith.
Yeah,and i feel really sad that because of some people who call themselves Muslims but do not acknowledge what They should and shouldn't be doing,have such a negative Impact about all of the Muslims and about our faith.But trust me,they're nothing but an opposing epitome of how a proper Muslim should be like.
I think you should read the following page,if you're into finding out more about the non-violence thingy:

http://www.alrisala.org/Articles/papers/nonviol...

i don't know if you'd wanna read it(taking into account that you already think i am a 'weak-minded' person or probably even stupid too),But that would really help you understand Islam better:)
And do you know,there was this book written by Michael H. Hart about the "The 100 most influential persons in history",and he placed Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as number one-on the top of the list?
And not just him,you know,there are so many famous people who've said amazing things about him...could all of them be wrong?..i could in no way try to talk you into this or whatever,but a little bit of more research
would be nice,no?..See,you already hate us but maybe in the process,you could find some more reasons to back up your hatred with.

Maria - "The 100 most influential persons in history",and he (Hart) placed Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as number one-on the top of the list?".

So what? Hart also placed Karl Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Mao Zedong on the list. Influential? Yeah, I suppose he was/still is. He managed to get billions of people to follow his cult of hate, misery and death. Being influential is not always a good thing.

The link you provided is lengthy and I did not read all of it. The lines below caught my eye as I skimmed through.

“The greatest problem facing Islam today is, as I see it, that Muslims have almost totally forgotten the sunnah (Prophet’s way) of non-violence.”

“…they have failed to remember that the policy of Islam is not that of violence but of non-violence. It is the result of this deviation, that despite almost a 100-years of bloody wars, Muslims have achieved no positive gain."

Um...are you trying to defend Muslims with this?

Again, the actions of Muslims determine how Islam is viewed by others.

Hey Christine,i wasn't talking to you anyway...you should read the whole of the article before commenting.

Maria - I responded to your comment at the top of the page due to the small typing area here.

if i might take a moment of your time to remember the crusades, where christians fought to restore their control of the holy land, MANY people were needlessly killed. by your logic this makes christianity as bad as your view on islam is. the religion is NOT to blame, the people are. sorry but maria is right.

Yep, the truth hurts, which is why you're trying to shut Kal El up, and why you kill apostates to shut them up, and why you beat your women to shut them up and make them say how loved they are, and cover them up to hide the bruises. That's why you don't allow evangelists to teach Chrisitanity and you don't allow Bibles in Muslim countries. You take advantage of religious freedom and tolerance in non-Muslim countries while you inflict tyranny on your own people. I don't believe anything a Muslim says because of taqqiya, so good luck trying it here.

hey ALLAH bless u where u read all this you dont know what u r saying but once read quran and hadees and then come on such forums u r hopless i read a coloumn in which that was written a girl of age 13 sell sex to buy a pair of boots she was christine now make ur opinion for her religion that her religion taught earn ur living by selling sex u people r such narrow minded u won't understand islam

Selling sex? you even sell your 10 year old girls to 80 year old males. what the..... You sell your women for marriage. o my..

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
cause none of them can stop the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look? ooh!
Some say its just a part of it:
Weve got to fulfil de book.

Were there any witnesses to back up Mohammed's claims that he had visitations from the angel?

hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha u r hopless have u read quran it will give u proof u people r so poor in knowledge

You, sir, are a congenital idiot quite without hope. Am I resorting to mere name calling? Not at all. I pass this judgement upon you because of your stupefyingly moronic claim the the Koran contains proof of anything at all. Learn what the word means before you dare use it. Cretinous oaf!

I am a professor of theology (religion). The Bible has never actually been changed - as in rewritten- it has been translated, not rewritten. Jesus is part of the Trinity-The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost. He is the Son of the Father. He was sent to Earth to save the sins of all (thus the link between man and God). I am not preaching, just trying to help you understand a concept that I agree can be confusing.

And by the way, there have been some changes made to the Quran. Some parts have been lost, and Ubai had several Suras in his manuscript that Uthman had omitted from his standardized text. (These men can be researched)

Again, I teach this stuff. I am not biased or trying to sway beliefs. My point, research both sides of the story very well and draw your own conclusions. And when I say research, put some effort into it. Read multiple accounts on both sides. Make educated statements. I am not saying I know it all, but I have certainly done my research and I am not giving an opinion, just some facts.

Not biased!? lol..I'm sorry, but who gave you your title as a professor? I dont think is God. i did a simple search on Google and from it there are less sources, by far, showing that Quran is missing some chapter, or some chapters have been removed from the holy Quran. Maybe you should go back to school and study religion again knowing that being bias is part of us. Open your mind, open your eyes, look around you, and ask your self "what is history?". Hopefully you will come to know most of History is written by "bias" people.

can i say summin
all the things listed above are true
but hve you ever tried to understand the true resons for why those laws are put across?
e.g.wemen get half teh wealth ya
but wemen don't have to share there wealth with husband or kids or any oneelse,
that wealth is thers.
however the husband has to share with wife ,kids and any one else who is dependent on him.
so tell me now whos got more rights man or wemen?
oh and another thing i think you should have a look at all the islamic laws and try reading teh meaning of teh quran before making asumtions.Then it will make sense to you.
you think islam is a bad religon
and you see what you want to see
think outside teh boxs
try reading teh whole instead of a part ,then you shall see.

thanks for at least admitting they are true.

you have no idea about women in Islam!!! you have taken things out of context... go educate yourself properly before you make shit posts!!!!!

Out of context does not work. I know a women from an Islamic area and she said this is how it is. I don't believe Obama rhetoric and lies. He is manipulative and cold hearted. Hope we have some left by 2012.

thank God someone else said this as well!!

i agree with Aksa im a muslim women and we are very much respected

I have several Muslim friends (one who came over with my co-worker from Afghanistan, one from Tunisia, one who's lived in the US all her life, so on and so forth) who say they are very much respected and have control over every aspect of their lives; they can go out and get work (without seeking permission from their husband like some people think they have to), wear what they want, say what they want...so on and so forth, while still being devote Muslims.

Then I have one friend who is a Muslim woman (2nd generation from Africa) and she is constantly courted by men who think that, since she's Muslim, that she is essentially their property and she has to be subservient with them.

It all depends on how you were raised and what you allow yourself to do.

Muhammad himself was very tolerant and gentle with his wives, often asking them their opinions, seeking their advice in everyday activities and even in war, never striking them, so on and so forth...the Companions of Muhammad were actually surprised by his tolerance, as his wives would sometimes rebuff him and he'd simply let them speak their peace and then gently respond to the topic.


In every religion and sect in the world, you'll find some justification for something awful (read evilbible.com some time, it has some good examples) but the flaws of the faith are not the flaws of the people, and vise versa.

Rather than sitting here condemning Islam, why not go out and ask several Muslim women about these and ask them how it relates to them and how it effects them. It's amazing what you'll learn.

kathrynmays - "Rather than sitting here condemning Islam, why not go out and ask several Muslim women about these and ask them how it relates to them and how it effects them". To get a clear understanding of the lives Muslim women lead we should talk with a few who live here in the West? How odd that you think these women would in any way represent the majority of Muslim women. Your friends are the exception and are not "devout" if they live their lives as you say.

Unfortunately, we cannot ask the more than 5,000 Muslim women who are murdered (killed to restore family "honor") every year for their "crimes" of being raped, leaving their home without permission, converting to another religion, wanting to marry a non-muslim, having an ALLEGED affair... This, of course, does not include those murders that go unreported. It also does not tell of the women who are mercilessly beaten for, as you say, "wearing what they want", "saying what they want", drinking alcohol, wearing makeup...

Perhaps we should ask those women who set themselves on fire to escape their "peaceful and respected" lives.
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/...

In one of your previous comments, you said, “And the Quran does not tell its followers to convert everyone, it actually states that people of the book (Christian, Jews, Zoroastrians, so on and so forth), since they believe in the one God and the day of judgment and doing good deeds, are to not be converted unless hey want to be."
Please! What verse is this taken from? You claim that you are a student of religious studies with an emphasis on Islam. What "school" do you attend? You are being fed a load of bullshit. The Quran is filled with verses of intolerance, to put it lightly, for "infidels". Here is one: “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” Qur'an 8:12

You also said, "It is a very small percentage of Muslims that are blowing themselves up, and those actions are condoned by the vast majority of Muslims of the world". What is a small percentage of 1.5 billion? What's with the second part of your statement...a little glimmer of truth pushing through???

I suppose that it is not surprising that this is what you are being taught about Islam. It fits with the practice of Muslims lying to further Islam's agenda.

Hell, Christine, you are superb!!!!!

Pleassssse Christine don't be ridiculous, there is so much anger in your post and you're not even close to understand what those women you are talking about are going through..I bet you have never been to middle east or any other country having those issues, but again i guess you're just living your life through media like every other one who's too lazy to get off their ass and actually travel to have an opinion ans not just vomit what racists and islamophobes say..
Anyway what i wanted to say is that again you put men's fault and the Islam on the same page, which is completely wrong!

Those guys you're talking about are cavemen, i am also angry and 100% against that, i hate them for making their wives living that way, i mean they decide of everything, women have no right and they even torture them, and all of this would be done in the name of islam???? pleeasssse come on, who would believe that??? the truth is you're too blind to see that those people are misguided or even not guided at all and lost because they don't evolve with their world, they have been stuck in the fire age...what strikes me the most abt your attitude is that you condamn an entire population for those cavemen instead of actually doing something, stand up for some democracy and better life for these women who are victims of that situation!!

Rakya, the last adjective I would use to describe Christine is "ridiculous". Take the trouble to read her numerous messages and you will quickly agree with me. Unlike so many of you Muslims who contribute to this site, she does not merely sound off, but backs everything she writes with impeccable logic. See? That's what can happen to a girl when her mind is not shackled and when her intellectual powers are fostered in a society that values her as something more than a draught animal or a receptacle for semen. I consider myself to be the possessor of a reasonable intellect, but I wish mine were the equal of hers. (Imagine a Muslim man expressing such a sentiment!)

One does not have to live in a Muslim State (yuck!) to witness the Islamic way of life. I see Muslims on a daily basis and am struck by the mule-like stupidity of the men and the browbeaten aura exuded by the women.

You proclaim to be somewhat more civilised and restrained in your behaviour than those of your faith who daily hit the headlines through their murderous acts and that Muslims are by and large like you. Fine, but do not try to tell us, or imply, that we who are not of your faith should therefore ignore said daily outrages. Ask yourself why IAC exists, and take the trouble to peruse the many hundreds of topics telling of Muslim excesses listed here. Imagine if the Jews could lay claim to a comparable number of continuing atrocities! Do you think the Christian churches would sit idly by, as you and your ilk do, if those claiming to be Christian committed nearly 14,000 jihadi acts since 9/11? Ever heard of something called ex-communication?

You do not know me or Hellosnackbar or Necrowulf or Sir Wilhelm or Jewhawk or Kal El or Infidelesto or Stormrider or Funkybarfly or Christine or ATIUTA or LJCaroline or a host of others who contribute here from the proverbial Adam, but I assure you we have better things to do than respond to Muslim acts of decadence. The trouble is, though, we recognise that we are duty-bound to do so in order to do our bit to defend the human race against the vilest influence that has ever beset it.

One last thing ...... I could not help but smile when you, a Muslim, wrote that we should stand up for democracy. Dear boy, what on earth do you think we are doing???????

Beejj, I truly appreciate your kind words. That was very nice of you. I enjoy reading all of your comments (yes, I believe I have read all of them), although I often have to stop and reach for a dictionary! :-)

rakya - You're right, I am angry. It is upsetting that I am continually told that what we see is not really what it seems.

I am not too lazy to "get off my ass and travel". I love to travel. I just like to stay out of countries that will make me wear ugly/oppressive clothing, a burqini at the pool/beach, refuse to let me rent a car, not allow me to rent a hotel room on my own, forbid me from going anywhere in public without a male escort. If you say that these things would not happen, then clearly I would not be in a country that is "having those issues", so what would be the point?

"...stand up for some democracy and better life for these women..." What do you think I should do? If I do go to an Islamic country, should I organize a "women's rights" march? Maybe give these knuckle-draggers that you speak of a stern talking to and put THEM in THEIR places? I should probably just book a one way ticket, huh? You say that you also hate the way some women are treated...what are YOU doing about it?? Change will not come until BOTH Muslim men and women who condemn these actions speak out making the offenders responsible for their crimes. That will NEVER happen. Stop making bullshit excuses for those "few" that you accuse of being the culprits. If, as you say, the majority do not behave like this and this is not the Islamic way, it should be fairly simple to stop these wrongdoers, right??

Again, what is YOUR solution? What should we do about this populace of "misguided cavemen" who are "lost" and have not "evolved" with the rest of the world? Do we let them alone with their ignorance to continue to commit their heinous acts?

"...all of this would be done in the name of islam???? pleeasssse come on, who would believe that??? ". Anyone with two eyes to see the daily atrocities inflicted on women; anyone who has not been brainwashed by the teachings of Islam; anyone who has read Sharia law and listened to the hate filled words of imams and clerics.

We have addressed the racist accusation time and again. Islam is not a race. I do not like the word "Islamophobia". It's not so much a fear, except when I see nitwit liberals paving the way for Islam and Sharia to take hold in Western countries. I would call it loathing of a "religion" that teaches relentless hate of non-Muslims to its followers and whose ultimate goal is to dominate and take freedom. I am sure you have seen some of these "peaceful" protesters who take to the streets in the West with their signs: "Freedom go to Hell", Islam will Dominate", and my favorite, "Behead those who insult Islam. Nice little slogan for a "religion of peace".

BTW, I do belong to an organization that is actually interested in helping these women. No, it is not a "feminist" group. They obviously do not give a damn about anything except bad-mouthing their country/military, marching for the right to murder babies, bitching for special (not equal) rights and so on...

Christine, your contributions do great honour to this site.

though you argue your points really well, i think i have to disagree with something.
the idea that people can represent the religion as a whole is kinda stupid. i mean if someones only experience of christianity was of the crusades then they'd think that the christians were a bunch of murderous pigs so yeah i see your point there HOWEVER i know that there are many christians who practise the faith PROPERLY and so understand that christianity is NOT barbaric at all. and the same goes for Islam, its a religion.

the protesters who take to the streets are extremists, and extremists exist in MANY religions.
even christianity has extremists. google it, cba sourcing.
but with this little snippet of info your logic has to be applied to all religions with extremists.

Did Muhammad seek the opinion on war from his six-year old bride and favorite wife Aisha?

even if he has taken it out of context, it is still there.. so meaning there is a chance of these things being used against women.. so technically, the religion has some flaws in advocating them... don't u think?

Islam as religion doesn't have any flaws in it. Some people practicing it have flaws.

Whatever is revealed in Qur'an has Prophet's (saws) comment on it or has his implementation of it or same from his companions - so for anyone to take and give different meaning to Qur'an verses later or now is sin and it's stated by Prophet (saws) that it is sin.

So from Islam's point of view everyone that misuses anything form religion gets punishment for it, and anyone on whom it is misused gets rewarded for it (sometimes in this life sometimes in the hereafter) - Any rightly guided muslim should prevent misuse of religion.

let me say it like this, if you read: "husband kills wife" , then you'd think this man should deserve the death penalty. but what if the story changed to: "wife attacks husband, husband fights back" . Then the version of the story has changed and you would sympathize more with the man. It's the same thing. Anyone that would read this would think how unjustice Islam is with women. So why wouldn't all muslim women leave islam, or why would other women convert to islam in the first place? i know feminists that have converted to Islam just because of the equal treatment for women. first, people shouldn't misinterpret the words of the Quran because thats not how they're all interpreted. second, somethings might sound debatable because there's no explanation. To verify and understand something, we have to educate ourselves and not allow ourselves to believe what everyone wants us to perceive.

It's okay, Aksa. Once the likes of the Taliban takes over rule, you'll understand what the rest of us are talking about. Until then, be grateful you've got it so good as a muslim. Continue to delude yourself.

I am not muslim, from Miami. Santero with Roman Catholic background.

Educated through God, cultures must be respected, as they are upheld with dignity.

Conversation via dalogue is also beautiful.

name calling, judging, trying to gain rank or fame off idiots that can't live a pure life is not going to make any of you any better.

Namaste

And how do you know what Taliban government was when they ruled. All that you and I know about them is what has been served to us. We haven't been there - haven't seen it.

Last thing I remember is that there was much less deaths and opium produced in Afghanistan when they ruled (opium production was almost gone).

Sure thing is that they went little over the edge with their practice of Islam and Sharia law - but just little over the edge and not allways.


And you can reed more about them from Brittish jurnalist which has been their captive at begining of war and it's a woman - so "torture was inavoidable". Her name is Yvonne Ridley and you can find out more about her by google (http://www.google.com/search?q=Yvonne%20Ridley)

And how do you know what Taliban government was when they ruled. All that you and I know about them is what has been served to us. We haven't been there - haven't seen it.

Last thing I remember is that there was much less deaths and opium produced in Afghanistan when they ruled (opium production was almost gone).

Sure thing is that they went little over the edge with their practice of Islam and Sharia law - but just little over the edge and not allways.


And you can reed more about them from Brittish jurnalist which has been their captive at begining of war and it's a woman - so "torture was inavoidable". Her name is Yvonne Ridley and you can find out more about her by google (http://www.google.com/search?q=Yvonne%20Ridley)

Yes, there will be oppression of women in certain areas under certain guises.

But I bet a million dollars you've not spoken to more than 5 Muslim women and asked their opinion of these quotes and how they affect them and how they intemperate it.

If you had, you'd understand how Muhammad (saws) was to his wives, how this is not justifiable in most Muslim countries and households, and maybe understand and be able to examine these quotes in a more open-minded light.

These will continue to be used against women.

But if you read the hadith, and compare these things to the quotes from the bible about how women are less than men, how the suffering of man rests on women, how women are a burden, and so on and so forth, you'll understand the flaws of the faith are not the flaws of the people, and vice versa.

@MOVIEMORON
Taliban was supported by US intelligence during war with Russia for their own benefit..and when at the end they got against US ..they started distributing fake violent clips over internet [ whats the proof for that is , they show many places in clips which no where exist in Afghanistan at all] .. dont u know this moron..
did u forgot 9/11 event.....???
people like u must be still blaming Bin Laden .....ohh u will... COZ U R MORON....!!!!

well one reason women don't leave islam, is because that is called apostasy and under sharia law is punishable by death.
hope that answers your question.

then why west females converting .... better don't give ur stupid thoughts to peoples.....

You should take your own advice, regarding your stupid thoughts.

statistics say that conversion rate of females is more than that of males all over the world...
if women would hav been oppressed in Islam (which some undereducated ppl think) , then y does this happen...??

Not everything is interpreted correctly. There is no where in the Quran where it says a man can marry a girl before passing puberty. either someone just purposely added it, or obviously does not know how to read. so if someone actually wants an interpretation from 1-10, here it is:
For number 1: It's not even stated once in the Quran.
For number 2: it's misinterpreted wrong. In the Quran it explains that a wife should be respectful and obedient, and so a man has the right to be firm with her, not abuse her!
For number 3: The verse is right, but the title is wrong. The title claims that a man can just get "rid" of one of his wives, but no where in verse does it even say that. A woman is not a toy, and no where in the Quran does it mention a man is so free.
For number 4: yes, its correct and there's nothing wrong with it. What's wrong if a religion permits polygamy? There are many cultures and religions who have accepted and embraced polygamy. Why is Islam being looked upon as the culprit? It clearly says in the verse that the man must treat them equally, and if he cannot, then one is better. -I can go on for the reasons why polygamy is allowed: As we all know, there are almost double the amount of women than men in the world (due to factors such as men required for war, health, age, etc.). For this reason, Islam has allowed polygamy to give the chance to other women to be married and experience the fruitfulness of marriage. It has even been statistically proven that for every man, there are 3.1 women. If a women prefers to keep the marriage as monogamy, there's nothing wrong with it.
For number 5: It is COMPLETELY misinterpreted! During war, muslims have spared the lives of their opponents (male or female) by letting the opponent serve them until free (and not even into slavery as the the previous slavery in america) So the verse says that no man should marry a woman that is currently married, but is permitted to marry the girl who is serving him (completely different back than during slavery in america where no white man was allowed to marry a black women and so forth) For number 6: the verses are right, but the title is misleading making it sound wrong. In Islam, a woman/man shouldn't get divorced for more than 3 times. If someone got divorced for the 3rd time, then their marriage is basically over. Islam takes its marriage seriously, and if someone's marriage fails 3 times, then obviously its not going to be heading to the right way. That's why if a women marries a second man, it would only be realized how serious divorce is and shouldn't be taken for granted. And for anyone who might disagree with it shouldn't go against these views as the Roman Catholics don't even allow divorce.
For number 7: 100% correct, but needs explanation. First, I must point out that in life, a man/woman should be treated equally. But what is equality? Does equality mean the same? Islam says that both man and woman are equal, but that doesn't mean the opposite sex are the same (biologically speaking that is) Don't women go through phases during menstruation, pregnancy? Women are more softer, tender, less offensive. Men are more tough, firm, and straight to the point. Women also tend to forget easier than men. That doesn't mean men are superior, it just means they're different. During a testimony, it's very possible for any woman to soften the tensity of a situation to reduce the burden on an accused individual. Women are women. They're more biologically soft hearted than men. Knowing that women place such warmth inside, its better if a man testifys along to validate the act as it was. Emotion plays a big part on women's life and can easily move them.
For number 8: Also 100% correct and needs explanation. Actually if once understood, any woman would accept it. In Islam, a man is required to attain all the women's needs as it is a requirement by him in Islam. That doesn't mean a woman can't be independent and work, it just means that a woman has the right to let her father, brother, husband, manage her financial income. For this reason, a father that passes away gives his son double that of his daughter as the son is obliged to pertain stability for his own wife and his sister. It is the man's duty in Islam to look after his wife, mother, sister, in respect to the woman. Having said this, it would only make sense that the man get double, as he is the one who's obliged to look after his sister. So this is actually making it easier on the woman as she also gets to spend her share of the will with complete freedom.
For number 9: Also 100% true. I have to say this though, women have always wanted to feel like their status is as equal to those of men. Looking back at history, we have seen feminists fighting for women's rights throughout the world. But let's face it, men have always been dominant. Adam was the FIRST man created on earth and Eve the SECOND. The man was always "the man of the house". The man was always the prophet. Why is it even in christianity that God was chosen as man (referring to Jesus), while Islam claims that God is no man or woman, but merely just the fact that man has played a vital role on earth; yet people want to attack Islam by saying that muslim men claim they are superior? Haven't all our presidents been men? Great dictators/leaders...men? Man has always seemed to take control. This idea has always played in the nature of men in all generations.
For number 10: 100% true, but the title misleads the meaning. I'm just going to get this straight out: who Doesn't enjoy the pleasures of intercourse with their partner? Man OR Woman. I could definitely see whoever is against Islam would debate on this, even though there is nothing really to be combative about. The verse needs understanding. It's as clear as this: God created Adam along with Eve so that they share companionship, love, friendship. Why didn't God create another guy Adam? Because for a man and woman it is what they both will ever want from each other. Yes, that includes straight out sex. The verse may sound something different than its true meaning behind it. The verse says that God created man and woman for both its pleasure and fruitfulness. So the verse says to the men to enjoy (the gift of women) and feel free to choose the one they love, exchanging love and passion. What is so wrong with that? Don't people have intercourse normally with other people? Aren't there pimps, prostitutes, players out there doing what is that fills their desires? But why is it when Islam forbids adultery, and allows intercourse in marriage to be enjoyed seem to be so wrong? Why is it when a single man and single woman commit adultery to fulfill their desires seem to be normal, but everything that Islam says to protect society from corruption and immortality seem to be restrictive? Why is it that the Torah or Bible are not being inspected by doubts, but the Quran full of flaws and injustice? And why is it that people have to be ignorant and not educate themselves to gain the truth? This is coming from a woman who used to be a skeptic feminist. But I've come to a realization that in order for one to understand something, one must willingly free doubtful thoughts and look beyond a meaning that has so much more to it. Islam is not a religion of hate, or unjust to women. It does not advocate violence nor does it permit muslims to commit acts that could violate the rights of others. Would it be fair to say that a group of people are terrorists simply because individuals of that group have engaged themselves to something wrong? Each individual should be judged in regard to themselves as a person. A religion should be judged within the content of its message and not the accusations and hatred coming from a group of opposing individuals. Islam, like any other religion, advocates peace and disfavors domestic violence. If people have nothing else better to do than attack it and run fictional facts based on lies from the media, then we all might as well keep each other off track. Speak kind words. And speak the truth, or better not speak at all.

woow very interesting !
you've just learnd me things I wasn't aware of :)
I would love to talk to you about Islam
add me is u wish !
Have a good day

THIS IS VERY TRUE. y.k. knows wat they're talking about.

great rationalising and hordes of excuses for a religion that condones stoning women to death for adultery or the "crime" of being raped.
men have better memories than women.. .give me a break.!!!

Well said!

thanks for criticising islam i am in search for negative comments so that i can clear out the misconceptions in the minds of peaople islam is the true erligion..i know and its ur ignorance that u are unaware..thank u once again!!bye bye ...ha h ah a

sajid,

No one here is ignorant of islam. What we post is truth taken from various media sources, and even quotes from muslims themselves, about intolerance, violence, and hatred. It is you who are ignorant, of the fact that islam is dying, muhammad was a pedophile, a terrorist, a thief, and a lunatic.

u stupid sket you dirty slag your the one thats tryin to lead evryone to yuor path u stupid hypocrite

Why do people run for their lives when Islam invades? Because Islam is murder, torture and oppression for anyone who disagrees. And you show exactly that, you violent, perverse, sorry excuse for a human being. May you be with your loving prophet soon. But, sorry to say it won't be where you think. Think 'warm'.

Nobody runed avay from Islam they embraced it with open hands. That's why it spread so fast and that's why it spreads even now as fast as it used to.

If it was oppression and terror it wouldn't last - look what happened to Hitler and guys like him.

Almost all of today's muslim world is not even ruled in Islamic way nor by islamic government. Nobody forces anybody to be muslim (look in America) and yet they practice Islam and more and more people are coming to Islam.

Thing is that you were thought to hate, not just Islam you were trained for hate manny things because you are then controllable and distracted from important issues.

Hate for Islam comes because Islam propagates world brotherhood, love and equality, and you were learned from when you were kid to hate different.
Do you see now why they want you to hate it without letting you to actually learn anything actual of it - have you learned anything actual of Islam?

Do they really? Muslims BOMBED our city, our CHURCHES. You think that's love? Do you seriously think that's brotherhood? If you do, you, sir, are delusional.

Why do you say that ? That's not because one muslims or a few muslims" bombed your city" or "your churches" that every Muslims are like this , and in islam the one who doesn't respect each other isn't a muslim. I really , seriously I hate this kind of remark it's the same when people say people who come from suburb will never succeed , it's not because some people in this suburb have no work or does nothing with their lives that there's nobody in this suburb who will succeed . It's the same with Islam it's not because there's some idiot sayin' that they are muslim and they say they do what they do in the name of Allah that every muslim agree with that . So sir , it's not Islam which is critisize but the way people interpret it .

paw,

if u just learned about Islam... omg u wouldn't have said that. NO ONE WOULD'VE SAID THAT ABOUT ISLAM if they knew the real religion.. the religion of peace, love and brotherhood: ISLAM. if you idiots knew about this religion, these infidels wouldn't put these false things on the internet! really, Islam isn't like that. Think: why would it be a major religion if these statements were actually in the Qur'an??? Exactly, there ISN'T ANYTHING like this in the actual Qur'an. If you ppl just knew about the real religion, there would be no rascism. Yes, i am a Muslim. And VERY proud to be one. I respect other religions as well. Why don't you ppl respect mine?

But why is it that ppl are always critisizing ISLAM more than any other religion?

You know, I have found that the Qur'an has never been changed (unlike the Torah and the Bible). That is because God (Allah, THE GREATEST) is protecting it from changing. Whatever has been in the Qur'an are Allah's words. The statements above are OUT OF CONTEXT. ppl are obviously just critisizing Islam, because of 9/11. 9/11 happened for a reason. If you think about it, EVERYTHING has a reason.

So as i was saying b4, the Qur'an has never been changed. Why? Because the words in the Qur'an are all true, and never MEANT to be changed, just read, memorized and understood.

Think about what I am saying.

About the whole thing about the burqa, it is in Islam ONLY BECAUSE, well, it shows who you are (a Muslim and happy to show it), and protects beauty.

All girls have beauty. Their hair/body is what a man looks at when they first meet her. If she is stunning (unconcealing her hair and body parts like legs, arms, etc.), he could fall in love with her. The burqa protects men from looking at girls like their some kind of prize. I, for one, do not like being referred to a "prize." Yes, some girls love it when they show off themselves-but in majority they're not Muslim girls. Get it?

Again, if you just know what/how Islam is, you wouldn't feel so rascist. Think about what i am saying. I am a muslim. Islam is the fastest-growing religion. I don't like being angry because 1) Islam encourages to stay with peace and 2) if you ppl just realize what Islam REALLY is, you wouldn't post these rascist things and make Muslims angry/unhappy. It'll ruin their day.


Think about what I am saying. I respect your religion. Do the same for mine.

Salaam.

The three chestnuts:-
Taken out of context.
You need to understand our religion.
Racism!!

You cameljockeys have terrorized Europeans for ages, and now murder White people frequently in our own countries. You tie your women up in Hefty garbage bags and make them walk in fear behind you because you are a cesspool of a race and corrupt every foot of ground you walk on.

hahahahahahahah LMAO seriously?? thats what u came up with, wowwww!!
you've summed up all the stereotypes that people have abt islam, media have trained you well, you're a good doggy :D congrats!

Muslim are indeed the SCUM OF THE EARTH.
Islam is indeed a CANCER.
Mohammad was indeed a CHARLATAN/PEDOPHILE/RUFFIAN OF THE ARABIAN DESERT'S DUNES.
He was also a MURDERER...WOWWWWWWW!!!
You already know that.Are you surprised that EVERYONE knows that little islamic "secret",too?

"rakya"
You existence is unjustifiable.At this very moment,you're STEALING someone's air.
You were spawned in a cesspool,with sewer's excrements.
Your stench is even stronger than of a SKUNK.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

coz u a jew and u know nothing better

hell ya bro u r totaly right i'm christian i used to live in a islamic country for 16 years and i saw how stupid are they they only care about food and sex, i saw a very poor man (poor as hell) and he had 7 children and he was still willing for the 8th son SO doesn't that confirm that ISLAM is really cancer ! how stupid are u guys, i mean u think Mohammad is sent by GOD well why he rape his 6 year old daughter and he marry her after.. is that what GOD told him to do ?? of course not it was what the DEMON told him to do... one more thing he was drunk when he rape his daghter !! OOOOO :o yes yes he was drunk ... well is he really a holly guy? is he really sent by GOD? he raped.. he killed and he told his people to kill..he married more than 35 woman!! ... wait a minute how in the world is this man sent by GOD ... that will happen only in hollywood movies .... anyway i know no matter what i wrote nothin will change cuz u don't bother ur ass to check if MOHAMMAD is reall sent by GOD or sent by his wishes of SEX ... u might ask y i'm so angry about that
well its because u muslims killed more than 5,000 of my people in Turkey and u killed more than 1.000.000 CHRISTAIN in TURKEY so yaa face the ugly true MOHAMMAD was a very normal poor guy, and he was a big lair.. and one more thing u muslims believe that if u died u will go to heaven with rivers of wine & honey & milk + 40 women to have fun with them there (in the heaven) WOW is heaven a strip bar ( 40 women + wine river ) hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
come on guys heaven is a holly place its in GOD kingdom are guys will be making sex there!!! how dare u !!! STUPIIIIIIID
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha anyway I like every word from JEWHAWK wrote :D and they will remember this blog maybe when they burn in hell with Moammad
PEACE

" and he had 7 children and he was still willing for the 8th son "

Someday this 8th son will take flight lessons, hijack an airliner packed with infidels ( nosotros ) and use it as a missile against an american skyscraper.
That's why muslims spread like locusts and carcinogenic cells.To KILL us.

They are the masters of Brain Wash.

Last time I checked, it was ISLAM that brought a moment of peace to Somalia a few years back, and the CHRISTIAN nation of Ethiopia, who were supported by America, who were responsible for the war displacing the Islamic leadership and causing the country to become the number one humanitarian crisis in the world.

THANK YOU JESUS.

Don't know last time I checked Islam was fastest growing religion in the world.

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?stor...

http://www.islamawareness.net/Fastest/


And considering things you have said about Islam and Prophet (sasw) I wont coment it in order not to start disscussion, but I would recomend you that you check all information from each angle before making decision (Islam teaches us that - and you can benefit from it - if you start to analyze everything that someone serves you)

We've done more than enough research, trust me. Maybe you should start paying attention to the hate coming from your own book? Maybe you should take a step out of the grips of your IMAM and actually do a little soul searching?

;)

Rudy,

Islam is the fastest-growing religion so far. Read what y.k. posted and see the reasons behind them. Its obvious these statements listed are either false, misunderstood and nonsend. These "various media sources" you're talking about are frreaking dumb. They got nothing else to do than critisize Islam. How would you like it if I trash-talked your little false religion? You think Muhammad (SAW) was all those things???

TIME TO STOP CALLING OTHER PPL WHAT YOU REALLY ARE!!!
You know that you're a pedo, a terrorist, theif, and a lunatic.

When you burn in hell, you would be thinking about me, what i said, about Muhammad, about Allah (The Greatest) and Islam. =p

You know im right.

Nazism was a fast-growing form of Totalitarian Political Ideology, and so was Communism; that doesn't make it good or true, just appealing to the uneducated masses. Islam is in the same category as those two; but with an extra spin: a Political Ideology with religious trappings.

The fact that you presume to judge the soul of other people makes you, and those like you, extremely dangerous. Only God judges the souls of people, not other people - got that.

We understand Islam just as we understood Nazism and Communism. You are our enemy, and we will judge not your soul, but your earthly presence; one that can be destroyed in just warfare in defense of our sacred God-given life and liberty.

i agree with you abt judging souls and that is the only point i am agreein on!! :D
but when you re sayin that you would eradicate the muslims "You are our enemy, and we will judge...your earthly presence; one that can be destroyed..." I am really glad that you are just a regular guy and not ruling a country cause what you just state is poor, everyone must be sure that war is the last resort, and it must come when there is no other way...you can't just say you want to destroy an enemy (your word, but i dont consider them enemies) you know nothing of..take your own advice and don't judge people before knowing them!

How do you figure?

Quotes and sources, please, none of the "com'on, everyone knows that" bull shit.

@ Rudy
by saying the comments about Mohammad(SAW), u hav added yourself to the group of people who doubted the virginity of Mary (peace be upon her) without trying to know her...
its indeed ur ignorance...
and if u believe on media sources without researching urself..u r still a big ignorant...
media can publish anything.. go for authenticity..
next u mentioned Muslim quotes...well how can u guess from quotes who is who...
u cant even guess who i am..
every person has right to find the truth...
try to read something authentic abt Mohammad(SAW) & u'll regret abt what u said...
may God show u the path to it...

If its possible to interperate things in the way above then some will. btw If women are so respected then why the Burka. . . . .why the stonning to death of those who are suspected of adultry and why (in many places) does the Qur'an equate one man to two women. Why is polygamy allowed and practiced still?

Covering of women's face is not obligated but it's not forbidden also.

Stoning to death is not for suspects but for ones that have admitted committing or ones that had sex (out of marriage) in front of 4 witnesses (if there is 3 witnesses they will get lashes - it must be seen by 4 people).

So it is pretty hard to get stoned actually.

It is a system for protecting society and you basically need to do it so openly and publicly that 4 people will and are willing to testyfy it in order for you to get stoned to death.

Stoned for tapping the booty. Your religion DOES suck.

Freedom Avenger,

Shut up.

You're just mad cuz ur fuckinq GF left you.

thats why we have aids, killin alost the entirer human race, because of people like u, "tapping ur booty" our religion protects us from that - so peace

Your pissy religion didn't protect you every time you attacked Israel and got your arseholes well and truly kicked. Stick to firing rockets from behind women's skirts if you wish to survive, you evil piece of worthless shit. Jews are made of heroic stuff, but you are nothing more than cowardly slime. How it must stick in your guts that a tiny country with a minuscule population can wipe you out whenever the fancy takes it. You are lower than cockroaches, you Muslim filth.

I WILL NOT STOOP TO YOUR LEVEL ALLAH HEARS AND SEES ALL SO GO AHEAD AND SAY WAT U HAVE TO. UR TIME WILL COME AND ALLAH WILL PUNISH YOU. THATS ALL AND U KNOW WAT THEY SAY THE BEST ANSA TO A FOOL IS ......... SO GO AHAEAD LETS C WAT U GOT, UR WORDS AINT GONNA BREAK US AND NOR IS IT GONNA CHANGE NETHING.... DIG UR GRAVE AND MAKE UR PALACE OF HELL IN HELL.

To Woad:
Women wear the Burka so they can be respected. Unfortunately the media likes to display this in a negative way showing that Muslim women are oppressed and forced to wear it.Notice that in the Torah and Bible that women are required to cover.Look at Mary, mother of Jesus. Was she not covered? The Hijab/Niquab/ Burka is worn for modesty.Look at the Amish for example. The girls stick to their traditions by wearing long, wide clothes simply as a sign of respect. Even in churches, it is better that girls cover up. As we all know, girls have become a sex symbol and the challenge to be in the "trend" is on going. Many choose to wear the Burka because they feel a sense of security and comfort knowing that they are not catching the eyes of some predating men whom gaze with lust.
As the stoning of death for those who commit adultery, one must observe the lust that has spread through out the world. You must consider that Islam, like Judaism and Christianity, condemn adultery simply because it has led to destruction in generations. Everything now is sexual, and people everywhere are displaying inappropriate images. People now cheat more than ever, and the desire to have sex is almost now the standard in Western societies. In order to prevent people from committing such acts, there needs to be a punishment, as any consequence would need.
As for the equality between a man and woman, please refer to my last post where i stated "number 7".
I also mentioned polygamy in "number 4", but I would like you to get a clear understanding of polygamy. Unfortunately due to all the wars that men have went through, millions of men have died, either being single, being husbands or being fathers. Due to this, there are millions of women who will never get the opportunity to get married simply because there are more women than men in the world. Is it not in everyone's best interest to find love, get married, have children, and commit to a relationship to start a family? Why should millions of other women not have that opportunity? People think that polygamous marriage might not work, but aren't there monogamous marriages that fail? It might not be in a woman's interest for her husband to bring additional wives, but it really depends how one looks at it. There are many women who accept and embrace polygamy because they understand and feel for other women. For other women who don't, they should not be blamed as it may seem for them a distraction in their current marriage. Everyone has a choice, and a man MUST treat all of his wives equally. If he is unable to do so, then monogamy is best in this case.

Women are not forced to wear the burka? You are correct. A woman can walk outside without the burka. Then immediately get beat by any man who sees her. Then thrown in jail. Then raped. Then sentenced to be whipped for dishonoring her family.

haha...u make me laugh ..chatting bout sumfing u av NOOOO knowledge about!..i am a muslim..i dont wear a burka..n none of the above has appened 2 me...u really like to make stupid misconceptions ...next tym get your facts right!

If you were in Saudi Arabia, you would wear the burka or die. Instead of pretending that you live a life of freedom and happiness as a Muslim woman, why not admit that you are imprisoned from the cradle to the grave. Unless you take action, you are doomed to raise little girls who are victims and litle boys who are perpetrators. Why should this curse of Islam claim another generation of children. It will unless you tell yourself the truth and resist. Some things are worth dying for and a better life for yourself and your children is one of them.

Yours is the culture of the honor killing. You know very well that if you resist Islam in any way your own family, your mother, father, brother, son may kill you without pity. In fact, the honor killings are remarkable in the suffering and torture they try to extract from their victims.

So, you don't wear a burka. I congratulate you. But you wear a noose about your neck because you are trapped in the religion of Islam. You can take steps toward freedom. The first step is to tell yourself the truth. No god who loved you would place you in this position and call it holy. You are not the dregs of the earth because you are a woman. You have the right to determine who you will marry, if you will marry and whether you believe in Allah. You do not have to honor a murderous pedophile who live fourteen centuries ago. Withdraw your worship. Withdraw your approval. Tell yourself the truth. Ask yourself , does Allah love me? Does he ever say so in the Koran? Is the constant stoning and murder of women proof of Allah's love. If Allah does not love me, why should I love him? Is Allah really God? If you answer these questions, you might see the first glimpses of freedom for you and your children. Think for yourself.

Hahahaha!!! Your comments is funny...
Muhammad the prophet (that we love no matter how many anti Islamists corner him with their fiction and biased accusation) was indeed born Arabian, but FYI, islam is NOT the same with arabian. Just like American is NOT the same with INDIAN, or jews is NOT the same with ISRAELI (surprised eh?!?)

I am a muslima and I don't wear burka and I do the 5 times prayer and I am proud and happy to be a Muslim.

Seriously people, read more....

I agree with Diane.

Allah is the DEVIL as quran 3:54 says. Islam is the most evil as it says submit to allah or die. The Bible says Satan the DEvil was kicked out of heaven and deceives the entire world amd the quran says allah bragged that he was the greatest deceiver, liar, schemer and plannwer to do all. Why would God lie to us and then tell us not to lie. Islam's allah has no name as allah is a Hindu sanskrit word for god and Hindu had names for all of their gods. Illah is arabic for god and he did have many names. Ar Rahman and Ba'al were just a few. Islam is a mixture of Arab Paganism from Sabeans, the Arabs who killed Job's cattle and stole his cattle and had the crescent moon and star as their emblems for the moon god worship of which illah was.
Under Islam a girl is ready for sex at nine and a Yemen girl dies from childbirth after 3 days labor. Her husband was 24. Saudi Arabia a 10 yr. old was made marry an 80 yr old. In Sudan a man was made marry his goat he screwed.

Under Islam women are created Stupid Tabari 1:280
Black women are bad omens Hadith 9:162,3
Black men are less than a donkey's penis Ishaq 243
Black faces are cursed and white faces are blessed quran 3:106
Black dogs are to die
Allah created Africans black to be slaves to white folks and then hellfire Tabari 11:11
Allah did all of that? wow
Mary the Coptic slave was white Egyptian
Bilal was a mixed Arab mother was black Sudan slave and father was an arab
Mahran was all black and was never released nor submitted to Islam but was treated badly by Muhammad and renamed safina which means ship in arabic
Black Iraqi are not even allowed to attend school due to racism
Takruni is same as N----- in Arabic for blacks
Zenj are Iraqi Blacks who ruled Iraq for 15 yrs.
Why are only blacks slaves to whites if Islam is so nice
black slaves are abeds\
white slaves are mamluks
Islam is Satanic allah wrote the quran and bragged about being Satan.

If we want to investigate the Qur'anic verses which emphasize this issue and talk about the classification of the Companions, which the Shia advocate, then we would need a special book for it. The Holy Qur'an expressed all that in the most direct and eloquent way: Let there arise out of you a nation, inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong, and these it is that shall be successful.

And be not like those who became divided and disagreed after receiving clear signs, and these it is that shall have a grievous chastisement.

On the day, some faces will be white (lit up) and some faces will be black (in the gloom), to those whose faces will be black (will be said): Did you reject the faith after accepting it? Taste then the chastisement for rejecting the faith. But those whose faces will be white, they will be in Allah's mercy, therein to dwell" (Holy Qur'an 3:106-107).

I I think many would appreciate it very much if you do not take text out of context, and reread and properly understand Islam before you post your ideas about a religion. Yes, many of your above quotes would seem very vulgar and highly wrong if taken out of context as you very well did. But the fact is each of these horrid sounding statements has other text before and after it with exceptions, explanations, literal vs. figurative definitions, etc. I don’t mean to be rude, but just fyi, this can be taken offensive.

I don't believe anyone is worried at all about offending anyone.

To be sure, I looked up all the texts in question. Yes, there are verses before and after. Yes, the translations vary slightly in wording (my copy uses older english like "tilith.") But the meaning of these verses has not been distorted; their corresponding verses do not change the intent one whit.

If we all went around worried that at any moment we might offend someone, nothing would ever get accomplished.

M. Teli,

How about you DO something about all the muslims who use children as suicide bombers, raping their maids and killing them, blowing themselves up in markets, funeral tents, weddings, etc..., and decapitating journalists like Daniel Pearl, instead of whining about "context". Instead of whining about phrases in the Idiots Guide To Terrorism (the quran) being "taken out of context", why not DO something to stop muslims from blowing themselves up, flying planes into buildings, and calling for an entire nation to be wiped from the map????

Rudy

Your heart is as ugly as your face. whatever you are saying is wrong. ISLAM HAS NO FLAWS IN IT. it is just SOME ppl who are practicing it have flaws. NOT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIM!!! go dump that sh!t out of ur disgusting mouth to sumone who cares. btw, you're getting sins for saying that. Just like wat Fatima said, you'll remember me, Allah (THE GREATEST), Mohammad, and Islam when u burn.

=p keep that in mind.

right!!!!!!!!!!no flaws and the earth is flatter than a pancake.

@Analise

More than 90% of terrorists worldwide are Muslims. You just need to read news to figure that out. Islam teaches its followers to kill everybody or convert them to Islam.

Define terrorist. Terrorist is taken to me "to threaten or take actions of violence or fear against unarmed civilians." American and British troops in Iraq and Afghanistan can be taken that way. Israeli attacks against Palestine, and palestinian attacks again Israel can be taken the same way.

And where are you getting the statistic of 90%? Out of your ass?

It is a very small percentage of Muslims that are blowing themselves up, and those actions are condoned by the vast majority of Muslims of the world. You next door neighbor who is a Muslim is not a terrorist. It's not written anywhere in the Quran to hurt the innocent, in fact Muhammad and many (though not all) Muslim commanders to follow were very merciful on the cities they captured and would not kill civilians or even soldiers that gave up peacefully.

And the Quran does not tell its followers to convert everyone, it actually states that people of the book (Christian, Jews, Zoroastrians, so on and so forth), since they believe in the one God and the day of judgment and doing good deeds, are to not be converted unless hey want to be.

I really am curious, where are you getting your statistics from?

Actions speak louder than words whether the words are in or out of context. It appears to me that the words are in context and that the actions of Muslim men are in line with the words of the Quran.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/4CDF1CEC-779C...

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable....

http://www.cathud.com/LINKS/pages_GL/Islam.htm

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable....

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=2...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm

http://infidelsarecool.com/2007/12/19/top-musli...

http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/16...

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=h...

To Storm Rider:
So you are judging a religion based on what some individuals do? There are numerous of bad people from all religions. Aren't there people like popes who molest children? Or people like Hitler? Does that mean Christian people are bad? Or Jewish people? The Quran does not advocate violence even if some Muslims choose against it. Also, not all information we get from the media is even true. It'll always be bias because it's coming from a group of people who are against Islam to begin with.

y.k.

No I don't judge the entire Muslim religion as evil. The peaceful practice of Islam - the worship of God - acts of compassion and mercy for the sick and the poor - this I love and admire from good Muslims. There I wish to be your eternal friend.

I oppose and I encourage eternal warfare against Sharia Law and murdering Islamic Jihad. Thomas Jefferson said it well, and he was speaking against corrupted Christianity at the time, but it applies to corrupted Islam and all forms of tyranny:

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

Well said. And that being said, you are within the same mind frame as most Muslims in the world. I am happy someone who is intellegent and well spoken and well read is on this board.

Thank you.

storm rider..
what do u know abt sharia law..???
to study complete sharia is equivalent to 2 PHDs of scientific stream...
and do u know even definition of jihad... its not the thing which u hav heard from roadside scholars... jihad is not abt bombing , shooting etc which media has defined it to be... even u can do it for urself if u know what it really means...
to judge sharia and jihad by having fraction of knowledge leads u to the group of IGNORANTS..
may God bless us all..!!

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thank you Storm-Rider, I have always loved that quote, it does not get quoted enough or so I believe. I also like this one, "Anything taken to an extreme can become evil." Strapping bombs on children, stoning adulterers without a fair trial and condemning those that leave Islam to death...well I think thats extreme and has became evil. Just a thought...

The Underground Railroad is up an running once again. The Underground Railroad was used to help slaves escape from slavery in America. Today those women who want to escape Islam are using the Underground Railroad with the help of American non-Muslims.

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." Thomas Jefferson

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/i...

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Patrick Henry

http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/henry.shtml

You have forgotten something Storm-Rider which is unfortunate of widely-read people like you, too much books written by men of 'men's integrity'. Look at the definition of the best form of government today, I mean the American form of government, "The government of the people, by the people and for the people" so sweet an equation as postulated by our dear man-made authority- Thomas Jefferson. I ask where is God in that equation? That is why all your thoughts are human and cannot be anything better than human.

It is rather unfortunate to see this analogy in our political system. I ask, adultery is a sin in Islam, Christianity, Jew and my native law in our village (I don’t want to mention the name because I don’t want you to attack my village and leave the issue at hand) and criminal. Don't deny that you don't know the meaning of criminality. An offence becomes criminal when the punishment for it is severe.

Most countries of the world following the American and United Nations (to me both are same of same) classified it as 'Extra Marital Affairs' in your civil code. Yet you use the Holy Books of Muslims and Christians in your land to swear to support these laws that are anti-Holy books. While that ceremony is going on, people like you who know too much books are there sitting but not able to see this deficiency.

I then fully understand why you cannot understand the simple provision of God in those books. Don’t tell me that Jesus stopped the Jews from stoning a woman to death, because that is what next people devoid of understanding will say. Jesus only put the spirit into the written law but did not stop the LAW!!!! THINK!!!!! He did not by his statement abolish the LAW, he only said that he who must go to equity must do that with clean hands and even as worse as they were, they knew he was right and they stopped. This did not remove the fact that the woman has sinned, THINK!!!

This is what the Qur’an has been teaching you. We are not as well read like you. The only difference I can see from these discuss is just that some people read with the name of God, thus they THINK, others read in the name of man or themselves and they STOPPED THINKING.

READ IN THE NAME OF YOUR LORD THAT CREATES MAN……….HE THOUGHT MEN WHAT HE KNOW NOT.

To Storm Rider:
You are absolutely right. But unfortunately, people do not view Islam or Muslims through positive means, simply because of a few individuals' actions that give Muslims a bad name. Most of the terroristic acts done are cultural and nothing to do based on the religion. On top of it all, the media is not making it any better. As you can see even on this website it tries to bring people against Islam when in fact these people are making false accusations and have got the wrong idea all together. It's because of things like this that Muslims have gained so much negative attention.

Y.K.

No, we are not in complete agreement. It is not just the actions of a few individuals that give Muslims a bad name. All of the terrorist acts of murder are religious and not cultural. This website is helping to educate people about the threat to their lives and their liberty which Totalitarian Islam represents. Totalitarian Islam is Murdering Totalitarian Islamic Sharia Law and Murdering Totalitarian Islamic Jihad, and our struggle against it is World War IV; and it will be a long war. There are no false accusations here - yours is a false accusation. Mass-murder and political coercion will gain much negative attention.

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” Patrick Henry

I think the problem seems to be that people are obviously getting the wrong idea of "Islamic Jihad". You and so many others follow what the media wants you to believe. Jihad means to fight for the cause of God. Meaning, if a group of people are fighting off and killing innocent Muslims(which is the apparent situation at the moment) then Muslims have the right to fight back. Should one sit back and wait until his or her entire nation is demolished? Take a look at one of the posts written above by "with-Aksa". That would seem a good point. The media puts in bits a pieces of a story and leaves crucial details that could change a story. Islam would not be the fastest growing religion in the world if it were truly violent. Nor would it have women converting if it were "oppressing women". If you want truth, you have to search. And searching means you know both sides because I can assure you that getting info from Anti-Muslims means the reality is only non-existent. Islam, like any other religion advocates peace. Who ever is against it is against it and always will be. As the saying goes: "An eye for an eye" (Exodus 21:23–27) People fight to gain their rights, and that includes everyone.

y.k.

No, we are not getting the wrong idea of Islamic Jihad. Your "fight for god" came to America on September 11, 2001, and that was no "fighting off and killing innocent Muslims" - quite the opposite little man.

It is we Americans who have a right to fight back against this evil of Islamic Jihad - we will defend our God-given life and liberty.

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” Patrick Henry

Storm-Rider......911 was an inside job. Research that one. Otherwise I am in agreement with you.

Name the insiders and give me some links to the actual evidence.

Storm,

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for actual evidence...

another poor statement of 9/11 event....
still blaming Bin Laden...
poor American people fooled by their heads...

i could give you many informations on 911 if you are interested storm and kal el :)

The inside Job was 19 warriors of allah coming inside America to blow us up. For 1500 yrs Muslims have invaded lands and then claimed it for themselves. Spain is one and Sudan and Egypt. Count Dracula stopped Muslims from taking Northern Europe in the 14th century.
The Mafia stopped Islam from taking over the Vatican. GO MAFIA.

Jihad simply means "Struggle", usually and internal one here you fight the temptations of Satan to continue to live a good and righteous life. It has been invoked in the past for wars and such, but is regarded by today's Muslims (and not Islamists; Islamists are terrorists, Muslims are the followers of Islam) to mean a non-violent struggle within ones-self to be a better person.

When September 11 happened, Muslims were killed as well. It wasn't just Americans, it was Muslim Americans as well. September 11th is not an example of a Muslim Jihad, and every real Muslim condemns it.

First, if it "were" Muslims who took part of the tragedy on September.11, then you and I are in complete agreement. Hundreds of innocent people died in the most tragic way. But lets Ignore the fact that I believe that September.11 was an inside job (as so many other American people believe as well), what did Iraq have ANYTHING to do with September.11? What I understood was that these muslim "terrorists" were up somewhere in Afghanistan. MILLIONS of Iraqi citizens are dead, thousands of U.S. troops are dead, and all for what cost? Oil? Trust me, I used to fall for the medias information. I just searched for the missing pieces of the puzzle. Muslims, including Christians, Jews, Athiests, who kill innocent people are just evil. A Muslim man who rapes and kills a girl is not considered to be a real Muslim, or a real Christian, or a real Jew. A Muslim father who kills his daughter for not wearing the Hijab has nothing to do with Islam. It is AGAINST Islam to kill UNLESS you are fighting to defend yourself. In Islam, it is not permitted to kill children women,and innocent men. Who does so is wrong (Muslim or non- Muslim). The absurd killing that you and I hear are so-called Muslims who follow their culture instead of their religion. It has nothing to do with Islam. The things we hear are bias, and the government controls what we hear in our so-called Freedom of Press. The government says they fight terror, but all they do is terrorize not only the American people, but the hundreds that have turned to millions each day.

9-11 was an inside job, the Saudis did it. Them and those Americans traitors drunk on their petro - dollars...

While I personally don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, I do believe the government (mostly George Bush who had received notice that an attack was possible and ignored it) didn't do enough to protect its own people, and it was carried out by Saudis rather than Afghanis or Iraqis.

Also, might I take the time to point out that those are not Muslims, those are Islamists, or extremists "Muslims", and that their actions were not condoned by any of the real Muslims of the world.

y.k. is right. ;)

y.k., No...Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9-11. That was Bush's personal war against Saddam! See, he didn't like the fact that Saddam put a picture of his daddy, Bush 41, on the floor of some building in Bagdad, so people could walk across his daddy's face. And for that, America went to war with Iraq again! Many of us American's were furious with Bush over this! He took us away from the real war with the Satanic, Muslim Crusaders, in Afganistan! Now we
have to go back and finish the job. But I don't think our President and the Pakistani's, have the guts to finnish this war! Many of us tried to vote out Bush for his second term. But he stole the election, much the same way as he stole the 1rst one! Just like the way the Dictators in Iran, Afganistan & Pakistan do! Don't get me wrong....I'm not some liberal pussy that just didn't like Bush! I'm not a cheerleader for the current administration by any means! But I'm not a hard line, right wing, war mongerer either. I am a middle of the road American. I consider myself as an independent. And next election I plan to vote out every incumbant on the ticket! But here are the facts: My Country was brutally attacked on 9/11/2001 by a bunch of cowards that used their (Religion of Peace) as an excuse for their actions! Any Religion, or agents of such Religion, can only be considered Satanic! Any Religion that was started by a person that rapes young girls & animals as well, must be Satanic! Any Religion that allows for the rape of young girls and then allows for the beheading of said girls, cause their the real problem, must be Satanic! I myself am not a very Religious person. But I do believe in God and Jesus Christ and that means there really is a Devil too! And I'm pretty sure his name is Mohammed! And the goat humper, Bin Laden, is his prophet! Along with millions of other lost souls! Some muslims on this site say their's is the fastest growing Religion. Well, Satan is building his army! And 2012 is comming! And some say the final war will be started just before Christ's birthday that year! If that is true...than it makes perfect sense that Satan's army is already on Earth! I give you the Muslim Religion! I believe that there will never be Peace on Earth untill all these followers of Satan, oops Islam, are destroyed!!! Storm Rider says it best. And if he runs for public office...I'll be sure to vote for him.

y.k. See my post in reply to aksa - (10 things every woman should read.)

y.k.

YOu and the idiots who believe 9/11 was an inside job are part of the problem. The media is biased in favor of muslim terrorists. That is why this blog exists. Your lies are pointless, and a waste of your energy on a keyboard. If your claim that "A Muslim man who rapes and kills a girl is not considered to be a real Muslim, or a real Christian, or a real Jew. A Muslim father who kills his daughter for not wearing the Hijab has nothing to do with Islam. It is AGAINST Islam to kill UNLESS you are fighting to defend yourself. " has any merit whatsoever, why did Muhammad order the extermination of entire tribes of Jews? Why do you, and people of your ilk continue to denounce a blog that reports what is seen in media sources from the middle east, and Asian muslim countries, yet claim we are painting a negative picture of islam? Why do you not denounce imams who strap bombs to little girls and blow them up by remote? If the Government controlled the media, there would be no leftist MSNBC, CBS, ABC, or NBC, so right there your lie is exposed. If the Government controlled the media, Keith Olberman would be in a cell somewhere being tortured, just like they do in Iran and Syria, which, YOU GUESSED IT, are muslim countries. Muslim countries are the ones who censor the media, look at my article here about the Afghani journalist who was sentenced to death for questioning the barbaric teachings of the Hadith. You can serve up all the taqqiya you want, but we here are no idiot socialist puppets. I bet you are one of those kooks who believes the global warming bullshit that fat bastard Al Gore spews.

one day, you'll regret what you just posted, Rudy.

Why so rascist? Why claiming that "IMAMS STRAP BOMBS TO LITTLE GIRLS?" As i was reading your awful comment, i was thinking, "wtf is Rudy saying this? why do ppl have to be so mean?" YO, RUDY, go see what Muslims posted up there, trying to defend their religion. I guess you would be mad too if i offended/critisized your religion.

Remember what i said, one day you'll regret you posted this, RUDY.

good for you, you are not brain dead like these conspirators.

Rudy,
I think there is a Muslim here who wants to slit your throat or rape your wife or daughter - and do it legally - under that God-damned Islamic Sharia Law.

Really? Under what Sharia law is that OK? I ask only because it's so obvious that you know so much about Sharia law, why don't you give us an exact chapter and page and quote. I have a book of Sharia law right here with me.

I don't remember you giving other examples of your foolish theories other than about middle eastern countries..you think muslim countries are resumed by Iraq, Iran,Syria and other middle eastern countries? There is also Morocco, Tunisia or Algeria and none of them have had any issues abt women being raped or lapidation..there also has been a terrorist attack in Morocco a couple years ago, so that shows that it is not a problem that islam brought, it is what mankind used as an excuse to hurt people.
There are extremists in every religion and there are serial killers who don't believe at all, all those people who committed crimes had their motives, personal ones, even if they claim they did it in the name of God, or some Guru; it's still their own decision and they themselves decided to kill and take someone's life..
I think some of you have crossed the line with really hard words without any real advancement about the subject; nothing but a simple statement, others are discussing here and giving their point of view with arguments whether they're right or wrong, i think it can make mentalities progress, i appreciate that :)

Rudy, Storm-Rider, how much i pity you Too much reading devoid of God's light, what else do you expect. I am enjoying this blasphemy and like the othe guy said, i want to pray that you will not regret it when dead, but the regret will start and be longer for you when alive so that you will be used to help others to live a good life with God's Light.

Ride ON.

hahaha.....10,000 accusations by media to Muslims should be believed.. but when they say 9/11 is inside job... they suddenly become biased in favor of Muslims...WTF

"what did Iraq have ANYTHING to do with September.11?"

y.k.

Totalitarian Islam is bi-modal, it is a two headed monster as Norman Podhoretz has described it in his book: "World War IV - The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism."

On the one hand you have mass-murdering Islamic Terror organizations whose aim is to establish Sharia Law in non-Muslim lands by force. On the other hand there are Fascist Islamic nations who are terror-supporters, and where Sharia Law is already in place either openly or in the background.

The United States is now engaged in World War IV against an international conspiracy and alliance of murdering Islamic Terrorist groups and murdering Fascist/Islamic Nations.

During World War II America was at war with the Axis Alliance - an alliance of murdering Nazi, Fascist and Imperial nations: Germany, Italy and Japan. We were attacked by Japan on December 7, 1941 at Pearl Harbor. America's first significant execution of Just War against this Evil Alliance was Operation Torch - the Invasion of Morocco.

People may ask, "Why did America attack Morocco - they didn't attack us?" People may ask, "What did Morocco have to do with Pearl Harbor?"

Here's your answer, y.k.: When a member of an alliance of nations, or an alliance of nations and non-state actors such as terror groups, wages unjust war against a particular nation; that nation is then free to wage just war against the entire alliance arrayed against it - just war in defense of national life - and in the case of the United States - just war in defense of life and liberty.

The enemy nations or groups do not get to pick the time or the place for America to wage war. Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Syria, are members of the Islamo-Fascist alliance, along with al-Qaeda and other Islamic Terror groups. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Indonesia are probably on the list as well. These are the members of an evil conspiracy and alliance which has declared War on the United States of America, but we are not at war with ordinary good Muslims who are not supporters of the evil International Islamofascist Alliance.

Like i have said sevral times, READ IN THE NAME OF YOUR LORD THAT CREATES.

You read too much books and you are not doing so for God but for man and vainglory. I am enjoying how people are devoid of God's understanding. Qur'an has said it, They have eyes, but they cannot see, they are like sheep.

think about that again.

Rudy
Keith Olbermann is an Independent news anchor. One of the good things about America (unlike some Arab countries as you have mentioned yourself) allow people to have a say without being interrogated for it. But people like Olbermann or Michael Moore can only speak out so much until the government bombards more conspiracies to terrorize the public, masking them from reality. Do you think that the mass media is incapable of lying? We're talking about the most powerful, wealthiest, influential people in the world. They're very much in control over what we see or hear, and I can assure you that they play a greater role to the American public. You're talking about a small percent of those who are independent thinkers. How many times do you hear "Muslim Terrorists" compared to "the lies of the U.S. government"? Practically incomparable. There's more evidence of support coming out from people who say that 9/11 was an inside job than what the government has ever provided. So instead, the government takes advantage of its leading power and uses the mass media to convey the so-called "horrific acts" of Muslims, which they know will be of a greater influence to the people. Every time they bring this up, fear is created, thus internal hatred is building up towards the Muslims.

As for the Prophet Muhammad "terminating" the Jews. Again you only take the info you want to hear. How about you complete it. How about you mention that the Muslims and Jews at that time were in one land together, living under a Muslim country, which over a period of time the Jews wanted to kill Prophet Muhammad (as they had to pay their taxes), which then led to Prophet Muhammad saying to get rid of the Jews. You leave such crucial points out as if Islam condemns the Jews or Christians. But you would probably ignore the stories about the kindness between the Muslims and different religions. There is a well known story about Prophet Muhammad and his Jewish neighbor. Everyday this neighbor would dump garbage on the doorsteps of Prophet Muhammad's house. One day Muhammad got up and found his doorstep untouched. Questioning why there was no garbage as every other day, he went to his neighbor to ask why he had not come to dump garbage. Normally, one would just be grateful that their neighbor stopped giving them a hard time. But regardless, Prophet Muhammad went to visit his neighbor, after realizing that day he was sick. It was because of this act of kindness that his Jewish neighbor converted to Islam. No one should go on saying that Muslims hate Jews.Islam is peace. It is because of this reason that so many people convert because they try to understand what Islam is really about without absorbing the negative ideas the media brings out. Just because the Arab media censor some of the things, that doesn't exactly make them right either. Again that is generalizing. And that doesn't exactly make the American government right either. You'd actually be surprised how many times these Arab governments take sides with the U.S.. Which is why so many Muslims are against their own government (then again its not surprising).

Fyi, no I don't really support Al Gore, Hillary, or Obama for that matter. They're all the same when you look at it. Different ideas in some points, but all stand for one cause. It doesn't really matter who I agree with or who you're against, or vice versa. What matters is people shouldn't hate each other for choosing to believe something. A Christian may be against the beliefs of Jews, but thats how life is. We're not meant to agree with each other. We never will, because that's how we humans are. That doesn't mean we should all go against each other. Understand that humans are not perfect regardless of what religion. We can't go on hating a group of individuals just because some morons do something unforgivable. I can't understand why some people discriminate all Muslims instead of disliking a minority of them. Just like I can't understand why some Muslims dislike the Jewish population because of a few bad ones. Again, Islam is not hate. People who hate will hate and will continue to hate. But hey, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are willing to understand and educate themselves. You claim what I and so many others used to believe. The only difference is some people stick to their beliefs unwillingly accepting new ideas as it would cause a controversy to their present beliefs, and then there's people who accept, change, and embrace to new ideas.
The brain can be so powerful, but only if one knows how to use it.

Storm-Rider
I can see your point, but that doesn't mean for those reasons that America had a right to declare these wars. The U.S. claims countries like Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Syria are all linked. But again, what do the allies have to do with this? Shouldn't the government be looking for its source? Look at the outcome of the war. We're talking about millions dead, millions injured, millions displaced from their homes. War in general is something risky and should be reconsidered with precaution. America is well known for its numerous battles and wars against nations. That's why unfortunately so many people are against America.It would only seem from this point that power has played such an important part. The U.S. has been in the lead, and to lose such a vital position is beyond fathomable. To be able to remain in the highest position (and I'm talking about for any country), resources would have to be flourishing, almost ever-lasting (practically impossible), and then the economy would have to have the means to be able to manage the incomes (imports and exports from different countries) which any country would try to avoid as there would be no longer any means to support such financial pays. Which would mean the country would be incapable of being in control of its society, and therefore falling behind. The U.S. definitely seems to have been good in being so powerful for such a long period time, but for what price? The blood of millions? These wars have helped the U.S. remain in the lead. These warfares gave America the opportunity to dominate and control, and use it all for the country's benefits. To lose it all would be a risk, so to them what harm if there were sacrifices. A sacrifice means nothing to one if there is benefit. What would it matter to the U.S. if they had made other sacrifices? It payed the price thats for sure. To use excuses to allow controversial actions on others by making up propaganda would seem ingenious. It seems to the U.S. that everyone just wants to overthrow the government. Would seem like a good plan to engage in wars, only if the public viewed it the same.

Keith Olberman is a leftist tool. Michael Moore is nothing but a propaganda artist who has a talent for cutting and pasting video to make it suit his purpose. They, and their elitist communist bosses control the media, not the government. If the government controlled the media, no one would know abotu Gitmo, or Abu Ghraib. You are right in that they are allowed to speak with out fear of reprisal from the Govt. But they spew forth outright lies, and are often called out on it. They always find a way to make the guy who blows himself up the victim, such as the kuwaiti terrorist who was detained at Gitmo then release due to leftist whining. What did he do? Went right back to Iraq to blow himself up. But I am sure the explosion was "taken out of context", as the leftists love to say. And who gives a crap about Abu Ghraib. Awww poor terrorist who love to blow themselves up in the name of islam, were made to play naked twister, and had a female laughing at their tiny genitals. Breaks my heart. Maybe next time we ought to be merciful like they are, and just cut their heads off and post the video on youtube. An eye for an eye, but you know DAMN well the US is better than that, and won't do it.

And regarding "more evidence of support from people who say 9/11 was an inside job than what the government provided." So what? People are free to believe what they want. 300 years ago everyone was convinced, they all just KNEW the earth was flat. People today also believed that an ARM was a good idea for buying a home, and that maxing out a credit card because the interest was only 3% was a good idea. How is that working out?

You distort the story of muhammad eliminating the Jews. Back when the Jews and Muhammads's tribe were living in the Arabian peninsula together, it was NOT a muslim country. Islam didn't take its hold until later in Muhammad's life. The muslim country you speak of was not in existence until that point. That's when he started his extinction agenda.

Now, regarding the outcome of the war, where are you getting this "millions of dead" figure? Are you a Rosie O'Donnell follower? As for the millions injured, or displaced, those numbers are misleading, due to the large numbers of Iraqis returning home, now that we are clearly winning in Iraq, something the so called govt controlled media is not reporting to you back in the US. As for what the allies had to do with this, Saddam hosted terrorist training camps, and employed terrorists to kill Iraqi dissidents, both in Iraq, and in Europe, as well as targeting foreign persons with said terrorists. You can find that information in various places. Iran funds and supports Hezbollah, the so-called resistance against Israel, who, by the way just turned their guns on the Lebanese they claim to protect from Israel, killing over 60 Lebanese civilians. The guns they used? Provided by Syria. Pakistan is a threat because Pervez Musharraf has no control over the tribal region of Waziristan, where al Qaeda is holed up. Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Al Qaeda wants to get their hands on one, and WILL NOT hesitate to use it on American Soil. If you cannot process that, it is your problem. As for America being known for numerous wars against nations, you say it like the US is the only nation to ever declare war on anyone. What about The First Reich of Germany against all of Europe? And then Nazi Germany against all of Europe? Iraq attacking Iran in the 80s, andinvading Kuwait in 1991? Or how about the armies of islam invading North Africa and then Europe? 800 years of occupation in Europe included, which resulted in the Crusades to retake the Holy Land, and the Spanish Inquisition, during which fewer people died than on 9/11.into the field in PA? And how about all that genocide and violence in Africa? Sudan, Chad, Nigeria, all muslim, all violent. I guess I am taking the violence out of context.

y.k.

"but that doesn’t mean for those reasons that America had a right to declare these wars."

No, y.k., the war was declared by our enemies - the Islamofascist alliance.

"We’re talking about millions dead, millions injured, millions displaced from their homes.

No, y.k., there aren't millions dead, millions injured, or millions displaced from their homes. The vast majority of innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan and Iraq were murdered by the terrorist arm of the Islamofascist alliance.

"These wars have helped the U.S. remain in the lead. These warfares gave America the opportunity to dominate and control, and use it all for the country’s benefits."

No, y.k., this war has helped the United States defend the sacred life and liberty of her people, not to conquer or dominate.

Storm-Rider I agree! We needed to just send it faster. Let's make it a quickie message to the Islamofascist 'Basket Cases' of the world. Kick butts and take names! No questions asked! GET-ER Done <:)

In refuting your clause 5. Unless you read the previous versus, you wont see teh truth in this. You refered to verse 24, and said that

"5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners."
it was written in verse 23 that you can marry slave girls. how is marriage an oppression(according to what you say) i do not know.

Here are teh TWO verses

23: Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives' mothers, your step daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in - but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), - the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, All?h is Oft?Forgiving, Most Merciful.

24. Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has All?h ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All?Knowing, All?Wise.

mUHAMMAD SAID SCREW SLAVES GIRLS AND if YOU WANTED TO MARRY THEM INSTEAD OF SELLING THEM YOU COULD. mUSLIMS MEN DID COITUS INTERRUPTUS AND THEN SOLD THE SLAVE GIRLS BECAUSE THEY WERE PROPERTY AND WERE NOT CONSIDERED WOMEN. mUHAMMAD WAS SLICK HE MARRIED ALL OF THE WOMEN HE WANTED AND MADE the rest slaves and still sexed them. As slaves they were not off limits, so no adultery was committed. Muhammad sexed his wife SAWDA slave, Mary the Coptic slave who had a son by Muhammad. The boy was not Muhammad but was a young slaves son. Muhammad had no sons.
Nor did Allah. Harems were made so Muslim men could sex as many women as they wanted and castrated all genies so they didnt get no sex. Selfish

Isn't it fascinating how completely brainwashed Islam is of it's own crimes against all of humanity - including their own women? Yet, they have no idea - or are they simply as evil as Moham was? Also,the only benefit you get with being a woman in Islam is : stoning to death, forced imprisonment in your home, being a maid to every man in your life, being forced into marriage, being killed for ______ (pick your crime - Islam has it), and also, let's not forget another horrific thing that no one speaks about - and that is having your vagina ripped from your body. All of it. I should ask Aisha, does she still have it? PUKE!
Wake up Muslim women. You're completely, utterly, hopelessly BRAINWASHED. Use your BRAIN. Free yourself and live your life. You are fools, brainwashed and ignorant. Go visit the site
www.faithfreedom.org.

Don't know why you're complaining so much about Islam and women...Americans are thick, brainwashed, bullsh!tting, thieving, murdering bullies but we don't go around complaining about it do we?

Please don't say it. just as name-calling and narrow mindedness has set some people of the world against Islam (for no real reason if they'd do their research), please don't turn your back on Americans. We are not all so ignorant or arrogant; I am a religious studies major with an emphasis on Islam and an American, and I will not clump myself together with these mislead individuals as a representative of America.

Take us as we come, not on the whole. Even on the whole, you may be surprised.

Moni,

We don't stone women for adultery. We don't blow ourselves up chanting "In Jesus' Name". We don't cut peoples' heads off and put it on youtube. We don't cut off the clitoris from our women. We don't call Christianity the religion of peace, while THOUSANDS of Christians blow themselves up, cut non-Christians' heads off, molest children, rape their maids, beat women for not wearing a niqab, abbayat, etc... That is what muslims do.

As for Americans being thick, how about those Saudi inbred fucktards known as the Muttawa? You think I don't know about them, and the truth about islam? Come up with something better than insults. The only thing thick on Americans is our skin. Call us names all you want. You use the internet, an AMERICAN innovation. You use a telephone, right? Guess who invented that? AMERICANS.

We don't? How about the people who were blowing up abortion clinics in the 80's and 90's? Um, Roman Catholocism (which I am baptized in) claims to be a Peaceful religion, and how many priests have been accused (and convicted) of molestation?

ALL RELIGIONS are capable of being misinterpreted and exploited. The terrorists are simply looking at individual verses of the Q'aran (which, by the way, the author did too) and practicing their doctrine based on them (without looking at the other verses which give them context).

It was explained to me like this once by a 21 year old Muslim man. Do you know what a Muslim was before Mohammed? A Christian. And before Jesus? A Jew. Islam believes that Abraham was the FIRST great Prophet. Jesus was the SECOND great Prophet and Mohammed is the THIRD great Prophet.

Now, let's compare to Mormon (Latter Day Saints) who say that Jesus returned and that Brigham Young is a prophet. Oh, and at one time (if not still) embraced polygamy.

I do have another question for someone else though. World War IV is going to be the war against "Islmofascism" (according to the book that you cite). When the F*** did we fight World War III? I've been alive since 1970, and I remember growing up worrying about World War III. But, unless I did some really awesome drugs in my 39 years, I don't ever remember it being fought.... Clarify this for me please? Or is your author allowed to just skip ahead to the good parts?

I'm calling Bullshit on this entire thing. I've actually READ the Q'aran as part of a college course. I've heard from Catholic Priests who have told me that Islam is a peaceful religion and that they are supposed to actually treat Christians and Jews with kindness and respect.

Here's an example of how things are misinterpreted to meet someone's needs. In the 80's, hostages weren't called hostages. They were "guests". Why? Because the Q'aran says that kidnapping is illegal. So, the terrorists at the time (Shiite muslims) claimed they were "guests". Does that mean that all Muslims wanted to kidnap? FUCK NO. It means that a small sect was twisting the words of their Bible to justify their BULLSHIT. Just like now. A small sect of people is twisting their Bible to justify their BULLSHIT. (You'll note that I didn't say Muslims here. Jews are doing it in Israel, Christians are doing it in different places. Druids are doing it in places. Hindi's are doing it in India and other Asian countries)....

Have a great day :)
Patrick (I'll claim this in name only, but won't register as I probably won't post very much here).

that was very enlightening and very very noble of you

Patrick: "World War IV is going to be the war against "Islmofascism" (according to the book that you cite). When the F*** did we fight World War III?"

World War III was the "Cold War" which in fact included a series of hot wars fought against Internationl Communism: Korea, Vietnam, Central America, Africa...

http://fora.tv/2007/11/30/Norman_Podhoretz

http://fora.tv/2007/11/30/Uncommon_Knowledge_No...

Joseph Smith said he wanted to be the next Muhammad, He copied from Muhammad, polygamy, marrying babies, lying etc. He also cursed black people and said as Muhammad said that being white was the best.

Rudy

The religion has no flaws in it. SOME people practicing it have flaws. {got it mister?}

The flaw in your Islamic Religion is the presence of unholy, mass-murdering Islamic Jihad; and the presence of unholy, totalitarian Islamic Sharia Law.

You can keep the peaceful practice of Islamic prayer and worship, but you must renounce and remove murder, mass murder, threats of violence, coercion, social and legal supremacism, totalitarian law, etc.; Got it?

Storm Rider,

Dont tell me what to do. Is it in my hands of why 9/11 or these "mass murders" and "threats" happen?? It is not in Islam-anything about watever u just wrote.

Analise; I'll tell you exactly what to do - get the hell off my individual, and my free country's, God-given life, liberty and property (pursuit of happiness); and go to hell.

“Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and program, regardless of which nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State….Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single State or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution.” Syed Abul A’la Mawdudi

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable....

Quran, Surah 2, Verse 191: “And kill them wherever you find them”

Quran, Surah 4, Verse 56: "Those who have disbelieved our signs, we shall roast them in fire"

Quran, Surah 4, Verse 89: "They but wish that ye should reject faith...so take not friends from their ranks untill they flee in the way of Allah, but if they turn renegades, seize them and kill them wherever ye find them"

Quran, Surah 8, Verse 12: “Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Quran, Surah 8, Verse 39: "Fight them until there is no dissension and the religion is entirely Allah's”

Quran, Surah 8, Verse 60: "Prepare for them whatever force and cavalry ye are able of gathering to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah"

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagem...

Analise doesn't like being told to renounce and remove murder, mass murder, threats of violence, coercion, social and legal supremacism, totalitarian law from his Muslim Religion. The same can be said for every Islamic Terrorist, starting with Osama bin-Laden.

I'll never stop telling you because I hate evil with eternal hostility.

“I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

Hizb ut-Tahrir: Spread Islam in the United States or Die Trying

"And this is our charge today - we have to keep working until Allah has allowed us, us today in the United States and around the world, living in this blessed time, that we have the honor of working to establish Allah's word supreme on this earth…that if they offer us the sun, or the moon, or a nice raise, or a passport, or a house in the suburbs or even a place to pray at the job - on the condition that we stop calling for Islam as a complete (Totalitarian, Murdering) way of life - we should never do that, ever do that unless and until Islam becomes victorious or we die in the attempt."

http://www.investigativeproject.org/1098/hizb-u...

I believe this Muslim, Imam Jaleel Abdul Adil, just declared political war on the United States of America; and since he calls for this with death as the cost, he is preparing American Muslims for violent jihad, i.e.: Muslim war of aggression or conquest, against the United States in order to establish an un-Declarational and un-Constitutional Totalitarian Islamic Government. This guy is no different from Osama bin-Laden or Syed Abul A’la Mawdudi.

“Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and program, regardless of which nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State….Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single State or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution.” Syed Abul A’la Mawdudi

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable....

They met in Oak Lawn Illinois in July at the Hilton Hotel and said that.

Rudy,

we don't do any of the stuff you mentioned. I do know that Americans interfere where they are not needed, go around bombing and murdering for no reason ie Afghanistan. Americans think they are the police of the world. All they are interested in is oil. So what if I use the net and phone? Don't you put petrol in your car? Where do think that comes from? From Washington DC? Why don't they try to sort out the problems in say Bangladesh..? Oh, right, i forgot NO OIL.

It's not about insults but about you lot not opening your minds. All the stuff you mentioned doesn't happen. I don't even know where you got that from. Maybe the media. Your minds are so closed. Many of the converts to Islam are women. If they are so mistreated, why is this so?

Everything is so pretty and perfect in the USA isn't it? How about your Christian white boy that with the Oklahoma bombing?

You know all about muslims don't you? Course you do, you're American...

To the idiot that doesn't know why everyone is complaining about Islam?
And thinks that there was no reason to bomb you bastards in Afghanistan? Did you think 9-11 was a reason to blast you back to the 7th century - back where you terrorists belong? We didn't - but could of.
As far as oil goes - it was the west that discovered and made everything to extract that oil off your lazy butts - and you profit from it. Basically you sit on something that you did not develop or know about - and without the WEST you would still be sitting in your caves - although your Master Bin Laden is hiding out in one! Ha!

Islamic society is very much psychopathic and your people are so mentally ill - you will self destruct. And yes, it's great living in the best country in the world - the USA - and I bet you'd do anything to get out of the hellhole you call your home if you could get past immigration!

You do realize that the person you just replied to is your next-door neighbor right? Unless they actually said they're in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.... lol

Here's a title of a book for you to read. "The Meaning of the Glorious Koran". I don't remember the author's name, but it's an English Translation of the Q'aran. I highly suggest that you (and everyone else posting) read the entire book BEFORE you spout off. You'd be surprised to find out that the quotes you see in the Media and on sites like this are only a SMALL portion of the book, and that the majority of the book has NOTHING to do with these subjects.

Have a great day:)
Patrick.

(And again, for the record, I'm a baptized Christian..... Oh wait. I'm Roman Catholic, which by some people's standards means that I'm NOT a Christian-- because I haven't been SAVED yet).

I am living in the middle east, about a 2 hour flight from Riyadh. You say that a few muslims are terrorists. Do you know how many a few out of a billion works out to? Try MILLIONS. That includes the khanzir who blows himself up for allah, the money launderers, the "peaceful" muslims sending money from the US and Europe to Hizbullah, Hamas, and al Qaeda. That includes the "peaceful" muslims who shelter terrorists (see Swat Valley in Pakistan). Think about that when you say we are stereotyping, and that only a "few" muslims are terrorists.

As for those asshats who were bombing abortion clinics, I am pretty certain that if/when they got caught, they got a pretty steep punishment. But I love the irony that liberals cry out that it is a woman's right to kill her baby, but then bitch and moan whenever a terrorist is killed or made to play naked twister (abu ghraib). It's ok to kill an unborn infant, but not ok to kill terrorists. Gotta love that liberal mindset.

As for WWIII, that was the Cold War. War changes. In the Civil War men fought in Cavalry lines. In WWII men fought with planes and two atomic bombs. IN WWIII men fought using espionage, subterfuge and the threat of mutual nuclear annihilation.

You can call bullshit on anything you like, you have that right, thanks to The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. Try questioning or challenging the status quo in a muslim country, and you might disappear into a dank prison cell, like so many Iranians.

I have met plenty of GOOD muslims in Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Jordan, and Lebanon during my travels. They hate the hardliners. They hate terrorists. But they do nothing to stop them. They do nothing to challenge the mentality of the jihadi. When I ask them why, they claim that it is God's will if it happens, and God's will if it does not (insha' allah). I asked my ex-girlfriend from Lebanon about that, and she said, no matter the sectarian or cultural differences, muslims stick together.

This war did not start on 9/11. It didn't start in Tehran in 1979. It was declared on the United States, by muslims, in 1783. Do some unbiased research on the Barbary Wars. And remember, in 1783 the US had NO FOREIGN POLICY to speak of. Thomas Jefferson asked the mufti of Jerusalem why had the Berbers attacked American merchant vessels, and the mufti replied that we were guilty of not accepting islam. Read the Hadith and the Sunna, and learn where muslims get their justification for always inciting violence wherever they go: UK? Violent muslims. France? Violent muslims. Australia? Violent muslims. Argentina? Violent muslims. Sudan? Violent muslims. Indonesia? Violent muslims. Lebanon? Violent muslims. And don't try the moral equivalence argument, because I cannot remember the last time I saw a Christian act out like muslims do, and invoke the New Testament, or blow himself up as he shouts "In Jesus name, AMEN!".

Thanks for posting, you write some insightful comments.

Moni,

Muslims DO commit those atrocities. You can lie to yourself and to us about it, but I see it every day. My friends in Lebanon see it every day. Same in Saudi. Killing done in the name of islam. Sunni vs Shia, Sunni and Shia vs Israeli. Shia vs Druze. Sunni vs
Christian. I could go on.

Jillia said it best with regards to oil. The Arab world would be nothing, had the British and American governments not developed the oil discovered here. I do put gasoline in my car. It also comes from Venezuela, Mexico, Canada, The United States, Brazil, and many other places besides the middle east.

Not one single time have I said everything in the US is perfect. Far from it. We have our problems, and then some. But it is 100 times better than any country where islam is in charge. It is 10 times better than Europe, where muslims riot annually in France, kill people in the Netherlands, for speaking their opinion (Theo van Gogh) and threaten to kill cartoonists in Denmark for drawing the pedophile Muhammad as he truly was.

Your white boy hero Timothy McVeigh was an anarchist, and not one single time did he ever claim be blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building up in the name of Jesus or God. Nice try though. You name one white guy who did something that over 40000 muslims have done. I guess that balances out, in your feeble mind.

And for the record, I know plenty about muslims. Most are good, simple people who want to be left in peace. But they do nothing to stop the ones who want to impose shariah across the globe. The United States stopped Saddam from destroying Kuwait completely. Kuwait is now one of the richest countries along the Gulf Coast.

The United States created, funded and trained the Mujahideen in Afghanistan when the USSR invaded. They thanked us on 9/11. We are responding now. And they are running like the cowards they truly are, since neither allah nor muhammad can stand up to the forces of Freedom and Liberty.

Americans have bombed nearly 40 countries since World War 2 - what a peaceful nation.

By the way who caused World War 1 and 2 where millions died? Can't pin those horrific wars on Islam!

Funny how people talk about Freedom and Liberty - the forces of Freedom and Liberty are so strong that if people do not accept them the US will just FORCE them onto nations - even if it means by dropping million dollar bombs on them! What better way to promote the ideas of Freedom and Liberty!

Muslims bomb every country they can: Spain. USA, UK, Bali, Israel, Eqypt, Pakistan, India, etc. They have and continue to massacre and persecute Christians in almost all their countries. It bespeaks the work of Satan. Americans at least worked to free nations not kill "infidels" for no reason and they do not TERRORIZE people.

You and your fellow muslims hate freedom and deny it to Christians and others. You are in profoundly deep ignorance. Get a bible; read it, and find the truth.

Some things are worth dying for; and by the same token, worth killing and bombing for. Just war is waged in defense of our sacred, God-given life and liberty.

"Liberty, is one of the most precious gifts heaven has bestowed upon Man. No treasures the earth contains or the sea conceals can be compared to it. For liberty one can rightfully risk one's life." Miguel Cervantes

“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” George Washington

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson

“As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also.” Thomas Jefferson

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” Patrick Henry

"Live free or die." Gen. John Stark – Hero of Bunker Hill

No matter how you put it: Liberty is Life more abundant, thanks Storm Rider. Thanks again and again. GRRRR

Moni-

Think with your head. Americans did not start WWI, it originated in Europe when in fact, the USA had adopted an isolationist policy.

WWII was not started by Americans, but an evil man intent on controlling the world, and whose major aim was to destroy the Jewish race. Hmm, notice a similarity there between Hitler and radical Islam?

As to your comment that America has bombed nearly 40 countries since WWII, get real. That is nearly 1 out of every 6 countries in the world.

Let's try and count. Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Grenada, Lebanon, Syria, Grenada, Panama, Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

Forty?? Forty?? Please. Even if I missed a few, that is a far cry from your lunacy. As to our being the world's policeman, yes, we are far from perfect, but we at least have the moral courage and fortitude and strength to address our enemies head on, in the name of freedom, and above all, EVEN IN THE MIDST OF COMBAT, to spare lives of the innocent.

Can you say the same for your deceiving, cloaked, cowardly mad bombers and assassins who delight in the murders of children, raids on schools and public transportation as much as the defeat of a soldier?

To the idiot called Jillia,

I wouldn't want to get past immigration of the UK to get to that thieving, murdering country.  Didn't you know your ancestors murdered the Indians with diseased blankets?  If the mid east turns off the tap tomorrow, your thieving country will be on it's knees.

Matt,
I wouldn't expect you to know.

here you go:




Afghanistan 1998, 2001-present
Bosnia 1994, 1995
Cambodia 1969-70
China 1945-46, 1950-53
Congo 1964
Cuba 1959-1961
El Salvador 1980s
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69
Indonesia 1958
Laos 1964-73
Grenada 1983
Iraq 1991-present
Iran 1987
Kuwait 1991
Lebanon 1983, 1984
Libya 1986
Nicaragua 1980s
Pakistan 2003, 2006
Panama 1989
Peru 1965
Somalia 1993, 2008
Sudan 1998
Vietnam 1961-73
Yemen 2002
Yugoslavia 1999




Afghanistan 2001-02

You know what the best thing would be for your guys to do?  You know all those women that are converting in places such as Texas?
For example:
www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-918435314...

Well those ppl are born into liberty and freedom and they don't want it.  You should let them know how bad Islam is for women because it seems they prefer the respect that is given to them in Islam rather than the liberty and freedom of the USA.

Talking to you lot is like banging your head against a wall.  Go and listen to your joker of a President and go and bomb some more countries.

Moni
Muslims sold Africans to white Europeans as slaves and sent the quran along which said allah created Africans black to be slaves to whites and the europeans felt gooooood. American Indians had slaves of other Indians and also had black slaves bought from whites. When the whites finally read the bible which said slavery was equal in sin to sodomy 1 tim 1:6-10 they stopped and the Civil War claimed 500000 whites. Islam has NEVER stopped slavery. Today they, muslims sell slaves for $13 each for girls and 86 for boys. Islam scholar say slavery is Islamic and any one who saYS NO IS UNISLAMIC.

"EVEN IN THE MIDST OF COMBAT, to spare lives of the innocent."

God that made me laugh so much...hahaha . Like when you were carpet bombing in Afghanistan ..?

Goodness, you better let all the converts in your country know what's really going on...lol

Well, Moni, I still don't see FORTY countries, and I see a helluva lot of justification, including BOSNIA where their is no oil and we went in to save the lives of MUSLIMS.
We are not perfect, and yes, instances of abuse of power do occur. But it is not mandated by our predominant religion, and while we don't always succeed, we DO try to protect the rights of the innocent and ensure freedom for all. Again, it ain't perfect, but other than Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber, we have a lot less cowards and murdereres of the innocents than anyone on YOUR side of the fence. As a matter of fact, there aren't enough fingers and toes on the congregation of one average mosque to count the number of your sad, pitiful "martyrs" .

I do agree that we should not hate each other, as your point of view is more sad than deplorable.

By the way Moni, to your reply to Julia,
If the mid-east did indeed turn off the spigot to the west, it would be YOUR kind eating sand and drinking oil. That region, while it could indeed inflict short term economic harm on the west, needs us FAR more in the long term than we need them. Other than oil, sand, camel meat, and hatred, what exactly DOES that region have to offer?

Hey Moni- Here's a list of countries that Muslims have bombed since 1980.:

Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Tunisia, India, Spain, UK, USA, UAE, Russia, China, Indonesia, Sudan, Chad, Kuwait, Phillipines, Angola, Somalia.

It is all bac, but the most shameful part of this sad list is how many more innocents died than military targets.

Moderate Matt - SCORE!

Moni -FAIL


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this website makes me sick. the problem is that you all a kuffars, disbeliever and hypocrits. The truth is that you western woman are the oppressed, you have to sell your body in order to get attention. Islam emancipated woman. My husband gives me my rights, and I feel like a queen, all you women get is drunkens, and wife beatersm who cheat on you, and come home in filth and disease. May Allah curse the those who disrespect Allah and His beloved Prophet

mUSLIMAH
oH NOT YOU DIDNT.
allah said you are stupid tabari 1:280
allah said you must share with 4 other permanent wives And as many temporary wives as your man wants. Muhammad had sex with a six yeAr old wife. Muslims can sex a two month old baby. IrAN IN 1990 THE LITTLE GREEN BOOK.
iF iSLAM FREES WOMEN WHY ARE 95% UNEDUCATED IN iSLAMIC WORLD. Taliban in Pakistan has burned down girl schools.
you are free to:
get your butt beaten
share with many women
Infidel women can choose thier own men not forced to marry an old behind rusty impotent man.
You condemn infidel women yet you are using the internet invented by infidels. Not one thing have muslims invented. NOT ONE THING. things you claim are after you invaded other lands and stole them like the zero muslims stole from Hindu after killing 80 million Hindus.

Matt,

You left out Algeria, Argentina, Bangladesh, Chechnya, Dagestan, Ethiopia, France, Ingushetia, Gaza, Greece, Kenya, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Maldives, Nigeria, Qatar, Sri Lanka, Tajikistan, Thailand, Yemen, The West Bank, and I am sure with some earnest research there are more.

What on earth is wrong with this Muslimah, her hatred for the West and her appalling,  sexism is obviously getting the better of her. But she non the less freely chooses to live in the West enjoying all the freedoms, benefits and prosperity it has to offer.  Notice the cursing, [ typical] she is obviously seething.  She should seethe in a corner!

In response to the comment by Mrs. EMANCIPATED:

The more pious a muslim becomes - the more murderous they become. They then lose their ability to reason, rationalize, make judgments  - as well as  understand and grasp reality. It must be difficult for you to grow up and learn that everything you have been taught by Islam is a lie. Yes, that must hurt, however, I don't think you've become educated enough yet; you have not yet gotten out from under the thumb of the brainwashing that comes from being born to Islam.
The other fascinating  thing about Islam is how does a person that has the ability to either see, hear or read honor and  follow  a  man such as mohamad?  How could one read about such a criminal and sit back and say - "Hey, this guy is great - I want to be just like him"? If you can see - you would be able to see the hatefests that monopolize all your time, education and daily activities.  Please explain to us how you can use your mind - use logic - and decide that you want to be like this man? This is an ignorant man who  murdered, engaged in torture, theft, beheadings; lying, enslavement of whole peoples as well as raping small girls?  Can you give anyone a reason to follow such a psychopath evil man, other than the brainwashed masses that is Islam? Do you lack intelligence or is it because you have been so brainwashed with hatred of things not Islam through lies?   Do you want to harm others and you feel you deserve to harm others for not wanting to be like you?  Go look in the mirror, and ask yourself... "do I want to kill  those that refuse to believe mohammed? Do I want to engage in and do I agree with the mass murder of infidels ".  Go ahead. I want to know if that is what you want to do- because your Koran and your "prophet Mohamed" has demanded that in order to be faithful to him - this is what you must do.  Then come back to this post and tell all of us that you have made a decision that if we do not believe in your prophet - that we all deserve to die.  I want to know if then you will understand who you truly are and what Islam is. That is your choice - and you can't have it both ways. You can believe in equal rights for all people - or you can believe in your Mohammed that says we should be dead because he is the only God. It is not a difficult decision, which shows all of us how corrupt and ill Islamic society is.

In fact, Islamic Supremacists - which is the core of Islam -  have no capacity  and no understanding of humanistic values, rights and has no civility whatsoever.  It turns even small children into psychopaths - unable to sympathize and empathize with others.  It kills all things that are not like it - and has no respect for the for anything including the earth, nature, animals or any living thing. In fact, identify any area of the world on the map where there is Islam - and you will find out of proportion rape and murder, welfare states, economic despair, crime, polygamy, honor killings, corruption, death, drugs,  and just outright hell.  It's an imprint Islam leaves all over the world - wherever they plant themselves.

In addition, I laughed when you brought up womens rights in Islam. I laughed harder when you brought up disease!! You must already know that AIDS is alive and well in all the Islamic countries. In fact, it's so out of control that Muslims are dying and are about to die in record numbers from AIDS!!! First, because Islam is unable to do anything but hate - ironically enough - will be it's downfall.   Did you know the reported estimates (Islam will not admit to the disease) of AIDS in Islamic countries is up 300 percent! Remember now, that is just what Islam has been forced to admit because it's observed from the outside world. Since Islam would like us to think it's culture is pure, however we already know it is not - it's this culture of denial  that will lead to it's own demise - like a suicide mission, simply because your culture of supremacy will not allow you to take responsibility for the disease - and ways to stop it by altering your behavior - and that behavior is allowing AIDS to spread in unprecedented numbers throughout your world. Again, this is Islam. And although Islam can try to blame everyone but themselves for this - we need not do anything to you.  Your "cultures"  supremacist attitudes, your hatred of all others, your lack of responsibility for anything - including your own lives - is what will stop Islam in it's tracks.  It has already begun.

Look up AIDS in Islam. It will offer you enough information to grasp how quickly it has spread throughout all your populations to know - but I'm sure you see and hear more about AIDS than any westerner because we in the west tackled the problem decades ago.   Your culture has been dying from this disease for decades. Now it's so completely out of control that millions of babies are being born every day with the deadly disease. In fact,  there is a special out on Cinemax called Sari's mother - that talks about AIDS and her inability to get help living in the Islamic world. It will be on this month.  Everyone should watch this. Also, if you google this - it will get you to some information about AIDS in Islam:

March 29, 2007
At a UN Development Program meeting yesterday in Bahrain, Sayed Aqa, UNDP's country coordinator and representative, said HIV/AIDS CASES HAVE INCREASED 300 PERCENT IN THE ARAB WORLD OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS!

"This is against an annual rate of increase of 20 percent in the United States, Japan, Europe, and Australia.

Take a look at this: The Poor Saudis. They import everything - and then take a good at the GDP for these countries. Appalling - and laughable.  Islam has made all those that touch it into useless consumers and killers:

Sultan al-Mazeen recently stopped at a gas station to fill up his SUV, paying 45 cents a gallon — about one-tenth what Americans pay these days.
But the Saudi technician says Americans shouldn't be jealous. Inflation that has hit 30-year highs on everything else in the kingdom is making Saudis feel poorer despite the flush of oil money.
"I tell the Americans, don't feel envious because gas is cheaper here," said al-Mazeen, 36. "We're worse off than before."
While Saudis don't feel the pain at the pump, they feel it everywhere else, paying more at grocery stores and restaurants and for rent and construction material. While the country is getting richer selling oil at prices that climbed to a record $145 per barrel last week, inflation has reached almost 11 percent, breaking double-digits for the first time since the late 1970s.
"Gas prices are low here, so what?" said Muhammad Abdullah, a 60-year-old retiree. "What can I do with gas? Drink it? Take it with me to the supermarket?"
Al-Mazeen says his monthly grocery bill has doubled — to $215 — compared to last year, when oil was at around $70 a barrel. During that time period, the price of rice has doubled to about 72 cents a pound, and a pound of beef has gone up more than a third to about $4.
Moreover, Saudis are grappling with unemployment — estimated at 30 percent among young people aged 16 to 26 — and a stock market that is down 10 percent since the beginning of the year.
Many Saudis are realizing that this oil boom will not have the same impact as the one in the 1970s, which raised Saudis from rags to riches. This time, the wealth isn't trickling down as fast or in the same quantities.
One reason is the kingdom's growing population, says John Sfakianakis, chief economist at the Saudi British Bank. In the 1970s, the population of Saudi Arabia was 9.5 million. Today, it's 27.6 million, including 22 million Saudi citizens.
That means the state, which controls nearly all oil income, has to spread the wealth among more people. Besides a generous social welfare system that includes free education from pre-school through university and other benefits for citizens, the public sector employs some 2 million people and 65 percent of the budget goes to salaries.
"The state, yes, is wealthier, but the state has close to three times the amount of people it has to cater for," said Sfakianakis. "Even if Saudi Arabia had lower inflation (in the 1970s), the country and the needs of the country are bigger than what they used to be."
To read the rest of the article:::::::::::::
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_where_s_the_wealth&printer=1;_ylt=Ajmf7D7VssMHx8ydAuJJcioUewgF ---

Muslimah, I am saddened by what you think goes on in the western world, clearly you are a victim of Islamic propaganda.  I don't sell my body for attention, I dress to impress myself.  If my man likes it, wonderful, if not, well that hasn't occurred.  I will tell you this, he will not beat me, rape me or have another woman as Islam allows their men and I use the word "men" loosely, filthy pigs is more fitting. May the one true God bless you with knowledge and empowerment.

If Islam stopped it's murdering and committing genocide all over the world  - we would not be forced to go in to protect the innocent. And we will protect them from you.  Also, you and your homicidal gang - should be GRATEFUL that we left anything at all standing in your murderous nations. But don't worry - like a pesky gnat  - you do any more harm and we will have all the justification to send you all back to the 7th century - back to your caves - like your leader Osama is - in the dark and hiding. A coward like all of Islam. You will no longer be able to kill Native Africans in the Sudan or any other part of Africa; no longer enslave little boys as sex slaves - no longer be able to pick women out of the Nuba Mountains and make them domestic slaves, sex slaves - or allowed to steal small children from their parents and make them beggars for Islam.  (Such disgrace!)   Islam will not be able to torture animals nor will they be permitted to have the largest dog fighting groups on the planet; nor will they be able to commit genocide on the remaining Albanians left on the planet - since they already killed over a 2 million. Christians and Jews will no longer be slaughtered for your pleasure.  Muslims  will no longer be allowed to sue the innocent for speaking their mind; no longer be able to kill their own daughters after first ripping their sexuality from their bodies. Islam will no longer be able to throw acid in the face of girls; make them marry a man that beats them; will no longer be able to rape any women freely... and well... where should I end this?  This is is a list of atrocities that is only a small beginning of Islam.  You should be ashamed of yourself and your "believers".  I call your group - Walking Satan - or Satan on earth - the epitome of evil.  Just remember,  the time is getting near when our gloves will come off in fighting you.  It will be a fast and easy fight - even though you fight like cowards.  Then let's see you cry then. :)

you have no idea what your taking about Jennyjen.. if anyone has a closer connection to pigs then its u people, u eat the nasty thing.. so your admiting to eat filth.. couldnt agree more. Unlike your men, our Muslim men wash 5times daily, and prostrate before The One True Allah in Submission and Humility. The One True God has blessed me Alright.. thats why im A muslim and follow the Path of Allah bought by the Last messenger. If you look at the orignal biblical texts u will come to realise that our religions (all abrahemic faiths ) are not that different at all. We have the same goals, and hope to achieve the same destination, but have different means of reaching so. As muslims we respect prophet Jesus (Isa) and his teachings. But over the years its evident that christianity has changed, and so has the Christian nation.
jillia as for you.. and your long essay of nothing but BS supposedly stating 'facts', your living in Lord knows which century.. Muslims didnt kill, or bury there daughter alive.. it was practiced before Islam was revealed, it was the idol worshippers and pagans. As i said Islam emancipated Women. In Islam there is no such thing as forced marriages, unlike some christianity sects (mormons i believe)... Genocide... oh ok..so that Pig who goes by the name of George Bush was spreading Love was he.. ?? Our only leader as Muslims is the greatest of All Prophets, the last Messenger of Allah, Prophet Muhammed Peace and blessings be upon him. what you hear and see on TV are little Pigs like G W Bush tryin to pollute the world with Shaytanic ideology. All that you wrote Jillia was a waste of time because its not Islam.. talk once you actually know what Islam is, CHANCES ARE YOU ALL WONT, SO THATS A ONE WAY TICKET FOR YOU TO HELL THEN I SUPPOSE. HAVE FUN.

Muslimah
Muhammad said Most muslim women are in hellfire with the balck Satan.
Since hellfire is a gnostic lie which Muhammad stole from them, this makes Islam a false prophet and a false religion. HELLFIRE IS NOT HOLY FROM GOD. HELL IS THE GRAVE FROM DUST TO DUST ONLY.

Oh dear,  Muslimah, has worked herself into a lather again, must be from all that washing! Well, to be fair, between all the washing, the praying and the cursing, she  may not find  time for little  else other than working herself into a lather, every time someone, refuses to submit to her point of view. Calm down, they'll be no submission, that is a dead cert, so keep right on washing!

Sorry, but with all due respect, Jesus Christ was not a prophet, to even suggest that, is pure, unadulterated blasphemy, not to mention the little shameful detail of telling porkies whenever it suits her.  He  was the son of God, this is an undisputed fact and  the bible is there to  prove it. Just wish some of these people,  would show some  respect and stop trying to cause insult where non is necessary.

Frankly, hell sounds far more fascinating, interesting and much more fun,than   being stuck in boring  paradise as a recycled virgin.  No sire, that would not be for the modern liberated woman, who chooses her own man and dumps him if things does not work out. Forget the virginity crap, that is a trap designed to snare all decent, respectable and intelligent women. 

Please forgive me , but  I am off now, for a bier and a hot dog, to unwind for the day, far better and infinitely more satisfying than  the pie in the sky, or paradise  when you die, kind of thing.

"He is the son of God, this is an undisputed fact and the bible is there to prove it." Jews will dispute that fact until their "Messiah" comes.... And the BIBLE (as well as the Q'aran and the Torah) are all books written by human beings. They aren't God's word handed down on Stone tablets (which were carved by a human being as well).

A bible is Mans interpretation of what THEY think God said. Nothing more. This goes for the Q'aran and the Torah as well as any other bible or doctrine of any religion. Unless someone can show you the actual tablets that GOD created, it was created by a human hand, and the human's mind will have altered it in some fashion.

Have a great day:)
Patrick.

muslimah,
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<div>I would rather eat pork and other pig products than drink camel piss like they do in the muslim world. Same with molesting little girls, little boys, and buying and selling women as sex slaves. All practiced by muslims here in the middle east, following the example of the pedophile piss drinker Muhammad.</div>

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you're twisting the true meaning and warping the interpretation you retarded idiots, read deeper instead of trying to blemish the worlds most popular religion

Hamza, if we are twisting the words, and not reading deeply enough, why are muslims DOING THE VERY THINGS written about in this post? Why are we constantly reading about little girls in Yemen sold into marriage at age 9, or at age 15 in Saudi? Why are women routinely beaten, mutilated and/or killed for "offending the honor" of the family, in Iraq, Saudi, Jordan, Syria, Gaza, Pakistan, and Afghanistan? And why have I met so many women who were divorced on a whim by their husbands here in the middle east where I work? That includes Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, Kuwaiti, and Persian.

You calling us retarded idiots does not disprove anything written here. However I do give you credit for using proper grammar, spelling and punctuation.

YOU FILTHY PIECE OF $H!Tt RUDY. ALLAH'S CURSE WILL BEFALL YOU AND INSHA'ALLAH YOU WHOLE FAMILY AND YOUR LOVED ONES. YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SWEARING AT THE BELOVED OF ALLAH.. FAT CHANCE ! SO YOU DISBELIEVERS AND FUEL OF THE HELL FIRE ( IE THE JEWS, FOR EG AND THE CHRISTIANS) ARE TELLING ME THAT THE NUNS IN YOUR CHURCHES ARE MARRIED TO GOD... RIIIIIIIGHT... YOU PEOPLE ARE TWISTED... AT THE SAME TIME JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD... SO ERMMM ... LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT INCEST ALL UP YOUR SYSTEM..
 
CAMEL PISS... HAHA ! Bs.. U GOT IT TWISTED AGEN YOU FILTHY RAT !
TO BE HONEST ALLAH HAS ALREADY CURSED THE JEWS AND YOU CHRISTIANS DIDNT DO MUCH IN PLEASING ALLAH, AND NOR DID U TAKE HEED FROM THE MESSEGE OF PROPHET JESUS.. SO UR DESTINED FOR HELL ANYWAY..NO POINT IN ARGUING WITH U SHItt HEADS ANYWAYS. GO GET DRUNK.. HOPE YOU DIE DOIN SO AND  ROT IN HELL SADLY EVER AFTER.
ISLAM IS THE ONLY SAVIOUR.
ALLAHU AKBAR !

JUST GOIN TO TAKE ONE QURANIC VERSE AND SHOW U HOW THIS WEBSITE HAS TWISTED THE TRUTH

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like .

THE AYAH ( VERSE) IS ACTUALLY SAYING THAT WOMAN ARE LLIOKE FERTILE LAND, PRECIOUS AND SHOULD BE LOOKED AFTER. NOT OVER USED AND TREATED WITH CARE!! NON OF YOU SKETS POSTING ON THIS WEBSITE ARE MUSLIMS.. AS ME , A MUSLIM WOMAN ABOUT ISLAM OF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT NO.. NOBODY WILL ASK A MUSLIM WOMAN , HOW A MUSLIM WOMAN FEELS.. !

TWISTED KUFFAR !

Muslimah,

You spelled "SHIT" wrong. Dumbass. You are absolutely correct, we did not take the message from allah. We do not condone molesting 9 year old girls, like Pedophile Muhammad claimed allah made halal for him. Nor do we drink the urine from camels, as Muhammad claimed was good to do.

And yes allah has cursed us kuffars. He cursed us with good hygiene, the ability to drive a car and buckle our kids up, the ability to discuss the fallacies of our own faith without having to cut people's heads off. Now I am going to go drink a beer and piss on a quran.

allahu khanzir, ya manyukah :P

good hygiene. your dont even wash you ass after taking a dump.. or your mouths for that matter, considering both are full of sh!Tt.. and i will spell it how i want it bastard. the fallacies of your faith... oh the  faith of the shaytan// full of fallacies.. i agree. you think by pissing (auzubillah minashaytaan nirajeem) on the Quran you will achieve anything, or inflict any harm to our Muslim Ummah? whose the dumbass here!!!!!!!!!!! u thick plank , it makes no difference cos the munafiq and mushriq have done far worse, and paid the price. InshaAllah you will too. do what you will at your own risk.

Well, well, well. Your devotion to your faith seems evident enough by your writing muslimah...which is admirable in its own way. I'll not pick on your spelling or grammar, as I suspect English is not your 1st language. However...the vicious and vituperative comments detract entirely the value of the point you are trying to make. No point in getting so upset...just because you are wrong, misguided, brainwashed, and stupid. Nothing wrong with you a good ass fu$#&ing won't cure!!!

Knotty,

That was very naughty. But HILARIOUS nonetheless =)

Ok let's look at this more closley, and analyse this ... each and every point.
There are unfortunately a mass of mis-interpritations about, but when one simply looks for negativity without questioning the wisdom behind the action, now then we have something called "looking for trouble' ..or more precisley 'nit-picking' ...

A faith with almost 2 Billion  followers cannot simply be ruled out either by the words of a few orientalists, or the actions of a few misguided individuals, ... so as a human being with reason, let's analyse this ...

You stated:
10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
... If you understand the arabic language, you'll understand the beauty of this verse. Now, ...one of the most prised posessions of a farmer is his field, and he tends to his field, patiently and with care. You need to look into this more deepy, not simply ... 'a women is like a field' mentality ... no no its not as simple as that my friend. Islam also teaches us, "Do not approach your women like the camel approaches the she-camel" ...  In the west it's very common for women to be treated not only as a sex object, but without dignity, care, tenderness or respect ...  The verse above is telling men to treat their women kindly with care and tenderness during sex, any scholar will tell you the same, so please...dude, use your head, and think ...like the Qur'an asks you to do.


9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.
That is reffering to the Husbands responsibility to provide and be the head of his home. In every other respect women are equal. It's not rocket science, its siple really... If you go to a school, it has a head, if you go to a country it has a head, in-fact, ... its only natural that there is authority, but within a careing and equal framework, and Islam gives us this freedom. The degree, is only small but not a qualifying system for men to abuse their women. Don't get me started on the abusive marriage breakdowns in the west... and career women not having a family ..etc, i think youve opened a can of worms here and you know it...


8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.
Everything a women has from wealth, is her own... the man needs to work and earn it. Within an inheritance situation, the women will allready have her own wealth, and the man's wealth is for his wife too, hence it makes sense, economically to be fair ... dude you need to look at the bigger picture here. You are infact no different from terrorists who take specific verses and read them out of context and come to a decision... come on, read the big picture, look into the Islamic financial system and you'll understand... :)


7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.
Only in serious matters like murder, and major major finance related cases. Islamic Shariah makes it easier for our sisters. Have you been to a court, in a major case? its nerve bending at the best of times, so there are usually 2 women there, not one ..so they can confer and assist one another. Wow, in theory, id like that for myself too! .. neat law if you ask me :) and theres way more to Islamic shariah judicprudance law than simply, a women is half etc ... lol come on, again, your reading selected lines out of context, and without full knowledge of Shariah law... 


6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.
Divorce in Islam is ... 3. Once a man divorces his wife, he is allowed to remarry her. If he divorces her 3 times, he cannot remarry her. The divorce system is so perfect and really gives a chance for couples to make ammends. If after the third divorce, (permanent) she marries another man, and then shes divorced from him (after 3) then why would they even get back together? Again, extremely rare, but ...its there regardless, and i say again, what a lovely perfect system.

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
Islam was revealed at a time in the arabian peninsula where there were countless depravities. And the term 'sexual' here is not intercourse...  again look at the whole thing in context dude ... but i'll not go into one here and show you up ... i think we both know the truth.

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
It clearly states that one is better than 4, and even then a true Muslim will out of fear from being unjust, will only take 1... additionally in the arabian peninsula at the time, it was common to have 100 wives ... Islam cut it right down. Now, ...how about the 'very common' practice of extra marital affairs people have? .. or how about the fact that women out-number men .. additionally, all behind backs, and illegally and no protection financially for the women he is cheating with ... what about his wife he is cheating on? ... ok Islam protcets us with giving an opportunity to marry 'upto' 4 .. and even then, its not common and are many many conditions to it ... not as easy as you may well think... again, do your research.

3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.
That's not what the verse you quoted is saying! ... infact the verse if you ask me, is clearly asking men to be just and not favour one wife over another... errm get your facts right buddy...


2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
'hit' lol a very common misconception ... women are elevated my friend and that word is 'hit' is not what it implies ... english is not as powerfull as arabic to explain everything in minute detail here... but if your confusing it with 'beat' like what happens to millions of western women every day in ritual marital abuse ..no it dosent mean that, once again taken totally out of context ...

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.
Yes ... and you have a problem with this? .. they are NOT allowed to have sex until she reaches a mature age, additionally ..please lets not start talking about how common peadophilla is in the west as apposed to the east. Moreover, again out of context ... seriously you make me laugh .. you know we need to start going this with the bible or even other general laws of the land and see how you react ..lol with some facts to remind you of ...perhaps how more clergy are secretly forcing kids into sex with them than anywhere else in religious world ..dont believe me? ...ask the pope.

Hmmm ok thats it, ive said my piece :)
peace to everyone!

I'd like to thank you for posting this.
The fact that I already posted a comment of my own, which was basically focused as a "Western perspective", and there are still some things I don't agree with; like committing to polygamy, but that's because of how I was raised and what kind of society I was brought up in.
But yea, thanks for giving me that little piece of enlightenment.
Salaam.

Muslimah,

You seem to have some sand in your vagina, have I angered thee? I have asked muslim women how they feel. I dated a Syrian girl, who's father divorced her mother and abandoned them both. Is that islamic emancipation that you keep babbling on about?

As for us not being muslims, THANK THE ONE TRUE GOD (not your Arabian moon god allah) we are not. We are capable of rational thought and reason, and as such are immediately disqualified. I too will be getting drunk this weekend, however I will not taint my urine by allowing it to come into contact with a quran. If I do die and wind up in hell, I will be sure to say hello to Muhammad, and all your fellow muslims who have blown themselves up in Iraq, Afghanistan, Spain, Morrocco, Russia, England, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Tunisia, Algeria, etc...

Kal-El,

Watch your language hahahaha

Soz, what's that Muslimah et al...? Hmmm, Quaran and Hadith are swell...Eh?
After reading this lets play a quick QnA game: Name 1(just one) Muslim controlled country in the entire world, that offers equal rights MORE than the USA, offers more ANYTHING than the USA,  that has contributed to the global society with inventions, cures, technology??? TY...Enough said.

Quran 4:89: "They (infidels) desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."
Quran 8:12: "Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers;"
Quran 2:191: "... kill the disbelievers wherever we find them …"
Quran 22:19-22: "… for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods."
Quran 8:12: "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.'"
Quran 8:7: "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
Quran 8:59: "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy."
Quran 8:60: "Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them not known to you."
Quran 9.29" "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Quran 47:4: "Strike off the heads of the disbelievers" and, after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives."
Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6985): "Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: 'The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.'"
Quran 9:5: "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Sura 3:151: "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for that they joined companions with Allah for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrong-doers!"
Sura 8:60: "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power including steeds of war to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides whom ye may not know but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you and ye shall not be treated unjustly."
Tabari IX:113: "Allah permits you to shut them (women) in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Quran."
Tabari I:280: "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."
Ishaq:327: "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"
These quotations are not out of context. They are representative of dozens and dozens of other messages in the Islamic "holy" texts. Clearly, they have inspired the violent and hateful behavior of followers.
I know there are many peaceful Muslims who view them allegorically rather than literally. Yet, is it outside the bounds of civil public discourse to challenge such statements?
I think it would be irresponsible to ignore how the Quran instructs its followers.

Charles,

Muslim countries have perfected the suicide bomb-vest, an innovation we kuffars would never have dreamed up. :P

Well Muslimahahahahahaha at least I don't have sand in my vagina, maybe you can get that sand to turn into a pearl and you can buy yourself some freedom!  What the fuck, do not talk bad about American men, especially the Southern gentlemen I have the pleasure of being in acquaintance.
Yes, I love me some BBQ pig, its what we do in the South! Lets see, oh yeah, your people strap bombs on 8 year-old children and send them out to serve Allah-what a crock of shit! Your people stone women to death for being looked at by another man...what, the men in your country aren't man enough to fight each other so gotta blame it on the woman! Dirty, lazy, worthless, stankin-ass donkey taint cowards is what you have for men over there so be proud!
Meanwhile, in a hot Arkansas town, I'm gonna let a good ol' boy bring me a cold beer and a BBQ sandwich!  SNAPS BITCH!!

Jennyjen, have you ever heard of the Oglala Sioux? The word "oglala" means "throws sand", and it was done in exactly that place you describe. That's what their captured women did to discourage rape by enemies.

Stupid peaceful Muslims need to understand this: we, the people in the US/West, are not interesting in seeing the entire world converted to Islam. We are not interesting in seeing our own children, their children and their children's children being forced to read the Quran only. We do not consider Islam to be the true religion. We do not consider Islam to be peaceful, tolerant so as long as stupid peaceful Muslims do nothing against their more radical or fundamentalist peers.

Most of all, we do not wanted our lives or our descendants' lives to be dictated solely by the Quran in accordance.

GOT IT, MUSLIMS?!

Hey kafirboy, thank you for telling us that..
Very important to know.
Yes, we got your point, clearly.
I believe you're satisfied now? Then please get back to your couch and watch your TV while enjoying your burger and fries.

To my fellow Muslims who follow this website... remember people only hear what they want to hear, there's no use to respond. Let's live life the way we believe in...

You are allowed to "live life the way we believe in" as long as it doesn't subvert the American Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights; in that case you become our enemy.

As a Muslim you are not allowed to practice Islamic Supremacism under Sharia Law, because that violates our Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

As a Muslim you are not allowed to commit Islamic Jihad murder or mass-murder, because that violates our Declaration of Independence:

"That among these (God-given rights) are life..."

As a Muslim you are not allowed to suppress freedom of speech for Muslims or non-Muslims under Islamic Sharia Law, even speech which is critical of Mohammad, or the Quran, or your god Allah; because that violates our Declaration of Independence:

"That among these (God-given rights) are life, liberty..."

And it violates our Bill of Rights:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

As a Muslim you are not allowed to levy the jizya tax of Islamic Sharia Law on non-Muslims because that is a tyrannical violation of our right to personal property, i.e.: pursuit of happiness; and that violates our Declaration of Independence:

"That among these (God-given rights) are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (property)..."

As a Muslim you may practice your religion as long as it does not subvert our God-given equality under law which derives from "We the people;" law which secures our God-given rights to life, liberty and property. If as a Muslim you attempt to negate or subvert our Declaration of Independence, Constitution or Bill of Rights; it is an act of war.

Great comment. I fully agree. Masha'Allah that there is normal people still out there.

Now now, don't forget the upright Islamos that strap em onto
mentally retarded men/women/children as well...Don't take my
word for it, let's take a look at Saudi Arabias textbooks, shall we?
Here's but a few excerpts :) No they aren't madeup or jokes, they
are actual....


1st Grade
"Fill in the blanks with the appropriate words—(Islam, hellfire)
'Every religion other than ____ is false. Whoever dies outside of Islam enters ____.'"
5th Grade
"A Muslim is forbidden to love and aid the unbelieving enemies of God...."

"Which of the following should you love in God, and which of them should you hate in God?
Example: One of your relatives who does not pray, does not fast, and does not worship God.
Answer: I hate him in God."

"Just as Muslims were successful in the past when they came together in a sincere effort to evict the Christian crusaders from Palestine, so will Muslims and Arabs emerge victorious, God willing, against the Jews and their allies if they stand together and fight a true jihad for God...."

8th Grade
"Lesson Goals: 1) The student notes some of the Jews condemnable qualities...."

"God told his Prophet, Mohammed, about the Jews, who learned from part of God's book that God alone is worthy of worship. Despite this, they espouse falsehood through idol worship, soothsaying and sorcery. In doing so, they obey the devil..."

"God told his Prophet Mohammed: say to those who cast aspersions on your religion: has anyone told you who will receive the harshest punishment from God on the Day of Resurrection? They are the Jews, whom God has cursed and with whom he is so angry that he will never again be satisfied. Some of the people of the Sabbath were punished by being turned into apes and swine. Some of them were made to worship the devil..."

"God punished the Jews in several ways for their unbelief and error. Explain the ways...."

9th Grade
"The prophet said, 'The hour [of judgment] will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, until the Jew hides behind rocks and trees, until the rocks or the trees say, 'O Muslim! O servant of God! There is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him'...."

"(1) It is part of God's wisdom that the struggle between the Muslims and the Jews should continue until the hour of judgment. (2) The good news for Muslims is that God will help them against the Jews in the end, which is one of the signs of the hour of judgment...."

10th Grade
"Basic Elements of Zionist Faith:
The Jews are God's chosen people and the souls of the tribe of Israel are a part of God. Other souls are Satanic souls that are like the souls of animals.
The world belongs to the Israeli. It is his right to rule and he has sovereignty over the world in his capacity as God's chosen people above all humankind...."

"How the Zionists Achieve their Goals:
Sedition, ruses, and conspiracy theories throughout history.... The First World War: the Jews played a role in starting it....
Attempting to inundate peoples with vice and rampant prostitution.... They manage bars in Europe and America, as well as in Israel itself.
Gaining control over literature and the arts; spreading degenerate pornographic literature, and encouraging perverted trends in literature, thought and art.
Gaining control over the film industry in the Western world and elsewhere.
Fraud, bribery, theft, and swindles."

"Homosexuality is one of the most disgusting sins and greatest crimes.... It is a vile perversion that goes against sound nature, and is one of the most corrupting and hideous sins.... The punishment for homosexuality is death. Both the active and passive participants are to be killed whether or not they have previously had sexual intercourse in the context of a legal marriage.... Some of the companions of the Prophet stated that [the perpetrator] is to be burned with fire. It has also been said that he should be stoned, or thrown from a high place."

11th Grade
"The Prophet said, 'Do not greet Jews and Christians with the words 'Peace be upon you.' If you come upon one of them on the road, force him to the narrower part.'"
=-=-=-=-=-
Me: PHEW! Everyone, it's ok now...As you can see, we are all just
hatin on Islamos...That in fact were are crazy, it's a religion of peace.
I know you all(especially you jews and christians) will sleep better
after reading this, knowing we're safe from them. Wow, I'm sure glad
that's behind us....NOT!

Hi Rudy and all of you other intelligent protectionists!
First let me say - Good job. lol. Secondly, I must recommend to you a book called  'Slave - My True Story' by Mende Nazer.  Yes, I know - it's only one book and I've read so many like this as I'm sure you have - but I gain so much more incite when you read from inside - and in this case this woman was a Muslim, but the difference, that no one will tell you about - is the reason that Muslims are killing other Muslims in the Sudan and other countries in Africa. BTW...Islam is killing NATIVE BLACK AFRICANS -which is their land - NOT ISLAMS LAND. The reason they are killing other Muslims is simple - because those Muslims being slaughtered (genocide) are not Muslim enough. In fact, they are kind people and except for a few prayers - and except for female genital mutilation (yes, awful) - they are nothing like Muslims. So of course, Islam has to do what they do naturally - kill them.  The black NATIVE Africans are very different then Muslims - they are warm, intelligent and loving people.  Anyway, back to this book - I think it's an important read because up until reading this book, I felt that those African tribes were basically ignorant - and not in an ugly way, but ignorant. However, although they have never seen a street lamp, a moving car and other modern things - they are very intelligent and very modern when it comes to loving and caring for people and of course their own people. What does all of this have to do with this topic?  If you had any confusion whatsoever about the genocide of Africans in the Sudan and other places - you will finally understand completely. You'll understand, on a deeper level - how different they are from Muslims.  The book made me cry for many days - it was about a very young girl named Mende, from the Nuba Mountains - who was stolen after yet another bloody raid by Muslims - a Muslim ring out to steal little boys and girls, to make them domestic slaves, sex slaves and god only know what else. By the way, the head of the ring was a Relgious Muslim. (no surprise there) Poor Mende - like thousands of other little girls and boys (and adults too), was a prisoner in a Muslim household for over 10 years where she was beaten, raped, starved and even told that because she was black - that she wasn't a Muslim and wasn't allowed to pray and was even beaten for that.

Now something important:  We need to create a civilian army to teach, train, practice, and arm ourselves for any coming trouble with Islam. I like to call it a protectionist army.   Some may want to learn and practice weapons, some may want to do administrative or other work - however, it's so important. I'm ready to now contact all my other groups and I might even write an article. If you're interested in joining or leading please let me know.
As far as these Muslim sickos on the this thread - they're AIDS count is up 300 percent.  Seems that God takes care of those that kill innocents, rape, lie, steal and kill and abuse all others.

Muslimah


Oh please, Infidels use the lavatory, not a dump to answer the calls of nature. Certainly, the infidels don't need lectures on personal hygiene from those who are well known for using their bare hands to clean their bottoms after using the lavatory.

Mazkan,
“A faith with almost 2 billion followers…”
The bigger the con, the greater the deception and the greater the possibility that it will sell, by sheer virtue of its appeal to the herd instinct inherent in mankind. Every con merchant that ever walked the face of the earth, knew that much. The number of followers has nothing to do with credibility or lack thereof in the faith.

10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into the field.
I fail to see the beauty be it in Arabic or otherwise, on debasing the intimate relations between a husband and wife to the level of agriculture. But that pales, by comparison to the disgraceful attempt to move from the human realm into bestiality by equating such intimacies with that of the camels.

It is utterly futile to even attempt to compare the treatment and conditions of women in the West to that of the treatment of women in the Muslim world. There is just no comparison, no more than there is a comparison between the laws of the infidel and that of Sharia. The facts speaks for themselves!

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives

Women do not need a man, of any degree to look after them, as they are well able to look after themselves and be responsible for their own families! Career women, in particular, are generally very successful both in the business and family world and this is down to their aptitude for hard work as well as their capabilities.

7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man testimony:

There is no “neat” way around this, unless of course, the requirement be made that a women gives ½ a testimony. Hopeless! Anyway, since when did the testimony of two defective women become equivalent to that of one man? Ten, even a hundred defectives, would do no more than compound and multiply the defect.

5. Slave girls are the sexual property of their male owners

“The term sexual does not mean intercourse” Really, try spinning it, the other way around, so that you may get it "in context" and the truth will show up somewhere in between.

4. A man can be polygamous with up to four wives.

“Before, Islam it was common to have 100 wives”. But, now it is very common to have four wives for the price of one. Extra marital affairs are not recognized by infidel law nor do they fall within the orthodoxy of any of the main religions. In addition, extra marital affairs are not for the men only, women can also avail themselves of the opportunity, if they so wish. Neither are such affairs tolerated within the sphere of the marital home, unlike polygamy. Infidel women have equal rights and the same opportunities as men and as such, do not need a man for the purpose of looking after them financially. That would be akin to legalised prostitution.

3. A husband may simply get rid of his undesirable wives.

“Clearly asking men to be just and not favor one wife over another” This has to be the limit in debauchery! Fancy, all the women running around like headless chickens, competing with one another, lined up waiting in turn to get the plonker’s attention. Without doubt, that would make him feel better and more cocky than any rooster in a hen house. The should be no favors whatsoever other than to quickly send the Mummy’s boy packing, all the way back to his mama where he belongs, with his tail between his legs. Followed by a bill for all their trouble in ridding themselves of A Mummy’s Boy. By golly, wouldn’t that be a nice little earner!

2. A husband may hit his highhanded wives,

“Hit is a misconception”, to put it in plain, simple English, any man who hits a woman, any woman, least of all his wife or sister or daughter or child is not a man, but an animal! Under the law of the infidel, unlike Sharia, whether a hit is a bit or a light bit of a hit, whether beaten with a whip or a tooth pick, no words, however divine are allowed to justify it. I am very pleased to announce, that there are no misconceptions with respect to the consequences; just hefty prison sentences.

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls “have a problem with that”

Yes there is a problem with that, normal, grown men or adults have no interest engaging with underage children in marriage, be it sexless or otherwise. Individuals with such needs are universally, classified as paedophiles. In addition, to their mental & psychological defects, paedophiles are also known to have problems when it comes to adequacy, at the south end of their belly buttons. Hence their need to dominate the inexperienced and vulnerable, such as underage girls and children.

I assume by clergy, you mean the catholic priests. All those responsible were held criminally liable for their actions and their victims duly compensated. Furthermore, unlike Islam, their actions were outside the orthodoxy of Christianity as opposed to being sanctioned by it, and they certainly were not following the example of Jesus Christ. So please, do not use cultural relativity and the cover of your so called religion to promote paedophilia, violence, misogyny and women/child abuse. It is more than just offensive, it is plain criminal and that is very much how it is straight across the civilized world from East to West!

You definitely fall into the ignorant category quite fittingly. Women to this day in 2009, make far less than men do in any economy in every country. One ignorant comment, and your whole post is not worth the full read. Next! Sad that just by your words alone its easy to picture you as a stuffy and definitely an old hag. You should be put out to pasture. if you havent already been.

Calling someone ignorant does not change the FACT that everything Frances mentions happens here in the middle east. I have lived here for the last 5 years, and have seen firsthand. You level insults, about someone needing to be put out to pasture. Funny, I was thinking you need to see a chiropractor, get some much needed help pulling your head from your ass.

Oh my, it sounds like you have a bee in your bonnet and it sure is not about equal pay. You are upset because you have a major problem with “women” in general and “equality” in particular. The words “successful woman” stings you like a wasp in the over sized butt!

Someone put 2 up on the scoreboard for Frances!!!

A faith with almost 2 billion followers? Since when is 1.09 billion ALMOST 2 billion? Must be some sort of taqiyya math I am not aware of...

Frances,

If I were a ref, I'd be calling the fight on account of your opponent no longer able to stand upright (their argument in this case):D

go read the chrisstian montior genius

This is an open question to everyone on this board.  Who wants to discuss a legal - protection type army for citizens of the US - and later the world??  We are way overdue.  I'll start a chapter in Florida.  Rudy?

I'm sorry to but in but some of the things i am reading here are disgusting.

Pure baseless racism and hatred, i am hearing people talking about what "you people" are doing, and "your kind" just as the KKK and national front are saying.

People saying "lets list the countries that muslims have bombed compared to the US", as Muslims are not a country, maybe it would be fairer to list the countries bombed by christian nations instead, making the list a hell of a lot longer.

As a scholar of religious text i can say that these quotes on the post are completely out of context, the ploughing one is not about "ploughing your wife" but about treating her in the way that you are expected to treat the earth, not to abuse it and use as you will, and the others are completely misread, from the classic western "orientalism" approach which looks at everyone else as backwards.

you can take any religious text out of context and use it, just as priests calling for the killing of native americans and even later calling for the killing of black people as not equals, but the target in the modern world is Islam.

I will not post more, but want to point out (as an englishman who studies such things without ignorance or anti-islamic biases) that some of you here are disgusting me, and calling other humans worthless and lesser.

To be fair; perhaps womaen should read The Old Testament; Leviticus 12-27 for 10 quotes they should know; a woman is woth only abot 40%-50% of the worht of a man, or L18:19 - thous shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness or L20:10...that committeht adultery, the adulterer AND adulteress shall surely be put to death or L21:7 a widow, or a divorced woman or profane or a harlot these sahll a man not take but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife or L21 if a daughter profane herself by playing the whore she shall be burnt with fire.  I don't know about you, but I find this disturbing and in "direct contrast with everything that Western civilization stands for when it comes to the rights of women."

i said i wouldn't post again... but you reminded me...


33: ...As in all the churches of the saints, 34: the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. 35: If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home, For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.  (1 Corinthians 14)


"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." (Exodus 22:18-20)
The last one was especially good, as you have just said how Islam does not accept other faiths, this orders them to kill witches and anyone that is with them!

Dan you make me snicker...You're equating sillyness...Your
intelligence or I should your belief in your own BS is funny.

Ask Nick Berg if he thinks Muslims are good peeps...Oh
wait, ya can't...He doesn't have a head.  Stop arguing stuff
with the Inquisitions, it shows your ignorance. You haven't
but with what I am about to say, you would try.....

Scholar lol, that means you got a piece of paper, and?

I don't see jews or christians blowing up cafes or busses
with women n children in them...They also do not
hijack planes or crash them into buildings. They also
do not threaten Muslim nations with destruction,
daily...Honestly, cut the crap. Don't post on here that
it's a god da*ned religion of piece, it's not.  And if you
believe that, go to Iran wearing a Star of David and see
what happens....Go to ANY Muslim run country and
kiss a man or non-married woman in the streets and
see what happens...You self-absorbed intellectuals are
the downfall of mankind if anyone listens to you!

Ok Dan and Lester, yes that is in the Old Testament and guess what!?!?! Thats where that crap stays! I am a Christian but I do not follow the bible word for word, that would make me a fundamentalist and if there is anything in this world that I am not, it is that!
The majority of Christians do not follow the teachings of Leviticus, or the rest of the Old Testament for that matter because it is archeaic. The Old Testament God is a fearful God, in the New Testament, he sprinkles us with forgiveness and sunshine...all due to the birth and death of his only Son. Allah never had a son to my knowledge, if he did, it was with a whore camel. Muhammed taught destruction, rape and  "convert or die" methods. The main difference between Christianity and Islam...Christians have made it out of the 7th century and evolved into a better people.

Dan 18/07/08
Muslims are not covered by the provisions of the Race Relations legislation so your claim for racism is indeed baseless for want of jurisdiction To get it into context, one has to wonder, if your resort to such measures are for want of a better, counter argument or just another means to intimidate and silence anyone who dare express a view contrary to your own? If the latter, then that is fascism and a more suitable comparator for the mindset of the National Front and KKK.
I have not noticed any views expressed here or anywhere else, calling for; or inciting; the subjugation, violence, or death of men, women and children, be they Muslim or otherwise. On the contrary, it would seem, that the said views, however expressed, are vigorously opposed to oppression, violence, human rights abuses and ignorance, irrespective of race, gender, age, religion etc, etc. But, then, this is not about racism, but rather your problem with freedoms in general and freedom of speech, in particular. As such, your claim, however baseless, is no more than an assault on that particular freedom.
Finally, if you don’t like what is being said, you are still free not to read it. Spare, your hatred and disgust for our democratic freedoms, in particular, freedom of speech without which, I have to tell you now, no other freedom would be remotely possible!

Lester and Dan

Nowadays, as opposed to biblical times, the Old Testament is interpreted according to its spirit as opposed to its letter. Accordingly, you will not hear of any Rabbi, or Christian cleric using it  to promote violence and indignities against women or any other form of human rights abuses. As such, the verses you have given are no longer of any relevance. That is the difference between the Old Testament and the Koran particularly when it comes to women rights or lack thereof.

It's simple really, the Jewish Torah and the Christian
Bible have been revised since written, the Quaran has
not, it's still back 1000's of years ago. For Gods Sake,
even Arkansas has upped finally the age of consent!

Wow, I smell ignorant people. Can somebody take those kind of people back to kindergarden?


Really, what's the point of judging something that you ACTUALLY don't know the real purpose of it? Sounds like somebody's got pessimistic brain. That is, a fact—ha, I ain't judging because for really, you are doing it. Totally a fact, obviously. Insulting, criticizing, and making others look bad. I think you're picky as well and who've been teaching you to do that? I think you've done a really bad job and that's really sad.


Annnnd, you should know that not ALL same certain persons are similar. Do you really think that they ALL are the same? Let's say that this white girl that you've met for the first time that you never actually met a white person before and she tells you a secret... she cheated on her boyfriend and admits that she's a tramp. So, what would you do, huh?


Thinking ALL white girls cheat on their boyfriends and they are tramps too? Ha, that's funny. Not true, right? Because ALL of them ain't the same.


So, QUIT BEING CHILDISH and GROW UP!

Mary  according to your logic;

“ A white girl who cheats on her boyfriend is a tramp
but  that does  not necessarily mean that all white girls are tramps”!

It is quite obvious, from your reasoning that you have spent too long in the kindergarten or madrassa.  Get a life and go find yourself a boyfriend or two and forget about the cheating.

Actually, I understood her logic and will translate it for you.

If you had an ex-boyfriend (or husband) (or in the case of the men on here, an ex-girlfriend or wife) that cheated on you, do you automatically assume that all men (or women) will cheat? I don't, and I have had this.

So, why do you automatically assume that all Muslims are terrorists because a few are? Why do you automatically assume that all Muslims believe and follow the portions of the Q'aran that the terrorists focus on?

In other words, stereotyping is wrong and still stereotyping, regardless of whether it's based on race, religion, or any other factor.

And by my earlier comment in this post, I'm not saying that everyone one here assumes that ALL Muslims are following the doctrine that terrorists are. ONLY those posters who have stated it in their replies. Some people have acknowledged that there are peaceful Muslims who don't follow the doctrine.

Have you ever heard of the principle ofCOMMON CAUSE Patrick?
It's true that most muslims don't commit terrorist atrocities but how many aquiesce in the misdeeds of their coreligionists?
The inescapable hypothesis is that there arew quite a lot!"
When I see demonstrations of righteous muslims protesting the evil crimes of their ummah brethren
;then I 'll applaud and come round to your point of view.
So far I've seen little evidence.(in fact non at all)

I must be a dumbass or something.  If islame is so great, why are the people that LEAVE islam threatened with death?  Why do islamic countries forbid the import of Christian Bibles?  Why are people that are not islaminazis forbidden to mention anything about their religion in islamifascist countries under pain of imprisonment and/or death?  Something seems a bit skewed here.  By the way, I spit on islam, it's false prophet and it's moon-godd allah.  
By the way, why do muslim women need to protect themselves from the gaze of non-family members?  You must have a real important "sexual repression" problem going on over there.

Mary, lol! You do realize you interjected RACE into this conversation?
And guess what? You're a liberal, I'm shocked, really. If a white girl
was a god da*ned muslim wearing a friggin trench coat in the middle
of August in Arizona, and it was bulky....I'd say take her arse down
she's up to no good. So screw your race baiting bullshit. Jerry Springer
whores aren't blowing up kids on busses you POS....

Mary, I heard an Islam Cleric tell the people of Pakistan that Allah will not be happy until we stand upon the White House...and the assholes cheered.  Now from that I deduce that these people have nothing but ill will towards my country and my people and that does not sit well with me...hell, it pisses me off!
The purpose of Islam is to take over the world and establish its caliphate. My goal is to stop the sorry SOB's and anyone supporting their bullshit!  This is God's Country, not allah's!

Dan,
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<div>That stink is your upper lip. I suggest washing your face more often, and not sticking your head up your ass. Might help with the smell</div>

Props to Kal-El for hitting it....

Charles


The race issue is only a small part of the story.


When Mary threw in the example of this “cheating tramp of a white girl” she targeted young women who engage in normal relationships with the opposite sex. Of course, any other example would have done without making a reference to gender or age. For the sake of simplicity, she could have used crows and turned out a bird of a different color for a story:

“ All crows are black but that does not necessarily mean that all blackbirds are crows”


But nooooo, there was none of that.

The example she gave, was a dead giveaway as to the mindset at work. The same defunct, moralist, racist, sexist, ageist mindset who sees nothing wrong in marrying off their underage daughters condemning them to a life of drudgery rather than afford them the opportunity to develop their potential as a human beings. Who are not too troubled or the least bit outraged when a young woman is condemned to death or torture, either by; lashing, stoning, hanging or merely hacked to death, by her immediate family in the name of their so called honour, Sharia style!

Oh I get it Frances...it's like "all terrorists are Muslims but not all Muslims are terrorist" hahaha!!! Sorry I had to do it...what happened to Muslimah? Did she finally generate her pearl LMAO!!!

Long live John Lennon,Imagine all the people living as one,No religion,No country.

John Lennon was a drug abusing moron who was killed by his own fans. He blasphemed Jesus, and got his chickens came home to roost.

Yeah Julius, Imagine, that's all anyone can do because the powers that be will never let that happen. There cannot be peace without war, cannot have wealth without poverty, its a yin and yang thing...I'm sure you understand.

Kal-El, dude!!! Ease up on John Lennon, WTF? He's one of the greatest singer/songwriters to ever live!

Kal-El hit the Lennon thing dead on...
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In the history of our planet, name one peace that was
EVER achieved by peaceful means....

Tyrants and Bullies understand only one thing,
brute force. I don't honestly care if anyone
agrees with it, because it is a fact. Iran will not
relent until they have nukes and then will more
than likely go after Israel in which case drag
us into a possible nuke confrontation.

The Mad Mullahs need to be snipped, Islam
needs to be squashed and terrorists need
to understand that to do terror, we will inflict
terror on them 10-fold. 

Whine away about the religion of piece, but
it understood not to touch our soil for the
last 7 years, BECAUSE of Afghanistan and
Iraq.

Hate GWB or Like em, doesn't negate the
fact that when that man tells a foreign
tyrant "be out of Baghdad in 48hrs or we
are rolling into," we've since learned GWB
DID roll the damn tanks and military in
and enough is enough.  Screw the Mullahs
and all the crackpots in the Middle East,
if they chant hate, bomb em.

Jennyjen,
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Kal-El, I didn't say the man was always right...everyone says something stupid every now and again. And yes Yoko Ono had him by the balls in the end but you admit that he was a talented musician and was part of the foundation of music as we know it. So was Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Bob Marley, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, well I could go on for days....they all did drugs and you say it like its a bad thing LOL!

And Charles, thank you for reinforcing my "no peace without war" statement. I hate that liberal crap about peace should be obtained in peaceful ways...that's a wonderful idea but thats all it will ever be! Violence and the almighty Dollar or Euro, wherever you're from; well that makes the world go 'round.

Jennyjen,
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Hmm, not sure let's ask Janis Joplin or Hendrix
their opinions on the matter...Oh wait, my bad.
Well then there's Bon Scott...Whoops, my bad.
Hmm, well surely Tommy Bolin from Deep Purple
will know...Er wait, my bad again. Hmm, let's us
ponder and ask Pete Fardon from the Pretenders..
Dammit, all OD'd...AND dead. Hmmm. Gregory  Herbert
of Blood, Sweat and Tears, or James Scott of Pretenders
or Shannon Hoon of Blind Melon, Phil Lynott of Thin
Lizzy...Well I could go on, but yea yer right...ALL OD's..
Well now that's not true, Bon died suffocating on his own
puke from being blind stinking drunk and was replaced
as lead singer for AC/DC by Brian Johnson.

Kal-El and Charles, perhaps you didn't notice my sarcasm in my previous statement, I thought the "LOL" would give it away. Jimi and Bon both died from choking on thier own puke, a horrible fate for a person of fame as well as a homeless man.
Are you getting my point now......hope so, I gotta blunt to smoke and a race to watch.

I noticed ;) That is why I stuck my tounge out at you :P We need to come up with a name for their band. How about the Dead Ingrates? :D

Charles, How about we ask some professional athletes, like Curt Hennig (Mr Perfect)... ummm wait, how about Eddie Guerrero... crap, maybe Chris Benoit? :P

Loved Curt! My fiance' found a website once that
listed every person from Wrestling and how they
died, it was quite sad really. Miss Elizabeth!

Sounds good! I get sick to my stomach
seeing lil peeps whining and crying over
artists that OD, suicide, etc...It's silly. I love
most forms of music, but I don't mourn for
Cobain, 2-Pac, Biggie, or anyone that does
crap...You preach violence and live that life
then it's not a big shocker when you die by
it. Love 2-Pac and B.I.G, but talked the talk
and died it. Game over. In fairness to Cobain
he WAS married to Courtney Love...That should
be enough said on his choice.

The Dead Ingrates, LOL!!

It's just horrible that people feel that there is no other solution to life's problems than dying, I mean c'mon wtf? Life is hard but the alternative sucks...unless you're a Jihadist...then you get 72 virgins (they come equipped with Playstation 3's, hot pockets and stridex pads LMAO!)

I looked up every one of these "verses" in my Qur'an, and the majority of them are not actual verses. Don't believe me? Look it up yourself.

I wonder what the quran says about lesbions and transgendered folks?

Olivia,

Do you own a quran written in Arabic, or a sanitized, watered-down English version? I have looked them up, in Arabic, and they are there. You are either being naive and deceived, or are an outright liar.

Jennyjen,

We can make t-shirts of all the dead celebretards (DEAD INGRATES), and draw little a black “x” over each one of their eyes :D

Hold on a sec… The virgins come with PS3’s and hot pockets?!?!?!? DUDE!! Sign me up for the jihad!!!! :P

Points on the board to Kal-El...Olivia is on the mat!

We should have a tee for every dead celebretard so we can piss everyone off! Is it too soon for Heath Ledger!?!? I know its all good on the crocodile hunter, what a tard...you know there was some pissed off crocodiles that damn stingray got him before they did! I'm makin that shirt tonite! :)'

ROFL @ points on the board. While I enjoyed Ledger's last performance, he took himself out of the gene pool, through negligence. Steve Irwin died doing what he loved, and while I did crack up at that joke, I still respect him because he never had any negative press, except that time the media tried to manufacture scandal around him regarding his baby and a croc... :)

You make those shirts, I want royalties, it's my idea!!! IAC comments are my proof of copyright!! :P

Let's see, what does it say...Well, they get
executed in Islamic countries...What do YOU
think it says?

Which verses Olivia? Cause if you are referring
to any I have posted, then yours is clearly
a false copy.

Charles,

I think you just scored the pinfall :D

@ Julius, the koran doesn't even recognize the transgender folks and gays...Remember the visit from President "Imadamnnutjob" at Columbia University, he says there are no gays or transgenders in Iran. If they are there and they "come out of the closet" they will only end up dead. Beheaded would be the preferred method of the Iranians but they could get creative...

Kal-El, don't worry, you'll get your royalties haha!!! :)

just replying to some things that Charles and jen posted earlier in the month

1) JenJen (and Technically Frances also as he stated something similar) -" Ok Dan and Lester, yes that is in the Old Testament and guess what!?!?! Thats where that crap stays!"
The book of Corinthians is the writings of Paul, the founder of Christianity in the New, not old Testament. Surely to be a Christian the writings of the bible are to be upheld above all. Many christians still take the word of the Bible and the teachings of Jesus and the works of Paul to be the way the truth and the light. surely this is what following a faith is about.
And also JenJen, on the 21st you seemed shocked that a Pakistani Imam said that Muslims should burn down the white house, are you not equally shocked that there are Ministers with TV shows in America that say that "America was created to wipe Islam off the Map" and even that "The bible states that the holocaust was to be the Punishment of the Jews for not following Christ." There are Ranting extremists in all religions I garuntee, such as the IRA, who killed many and blew up innocents near to my home, last time i checked those people blowing up Ireland and London were not Muslims.

And Charles. On the 18th of July you said "go to Iran wearing a Star of David and seewhat happens…." Just checking, you do know that iran has a Large Muslim Population right? They make a point of Distinguishing between Jews and Zionists, it is something the country is Proud of. Dr Alan bennett even wrote a brilliant Article on it for Reform Judaism journals. There are around 25,000 Jews in Iran, all of which openly go to Synagogue and an practice their religion in peace.  When the Ayatollah came out of exile in 1979 he made an announcement about them not being Zionists. The Jews in Iran are very proud of being Iranian, even under Ahmadinejalad, as they know that he does not think of them as enemies of the country, even though Israeli and American jews are trying to make them move to Isrsael (which has been met with Hostility by the Jews in Iran)

Dan...Yer a scream, bro!! So, whenever the hitler of iran
says "kill all the jews" he actually just means Zionists..
Funny you should mention that word, usually only the
mullahs and terrorists say it. Proud? I miss seeing them
anywhere, where is their pride? The homosexuals are
proud in the USA, and march showing it in parades...
How come the PROUD iranian jews don't march shouting
"All Hail our Hitler!!" Odd, you'd think they would being
as proud as you claim they are. Exile? Ah, you mean when
the Peanut Jimmy Carter sold out the Shah, ok. Make them
move, quote a non-liberal un-biased source for that entire
paragraph...Don't waste time with NYT or any other POS
supposed news source....If they gush over Obama, it's
not a legit news source....

You are a true liberal tho bro, you're sneaky...Attempting
to compare a handful of whackjobs in the Christian faith
to Mullahs and Islamofacists...Cute. Question for ya stud:
In the wacky christian rant, that would be OPINION and
NOT fact, since nowhere in the bible does it say what is
claimed...However, Imams QUOTE THE DAMN QUARAN
and are NOT interpreting it unlike liberals saying they
are....Buy a damn Quaran and read the thing...

I'd like to point out to you Dan, that you just said that
Christs teachings are to be followed by Christians and
"surely this is what following a faith is about."

Ok, so Jesus said there is no cause for divorce save
fornication. So let's start a campaign to get rid of
No Fault Divorce in all states, Dan. Then Dan you
might actually want to READ Matthew a few times
to fully understand Christ....Then g'head for shits
n giggles skip to Revelations...Which too is Jesus.
Cept then it's the firey sword and he's really pissed
off....

Charles, as he ever actually said to kill the Jews? No.
I certainly know that in the Farsi he has never said to kill the Jews, the closest thing he has said is that "soon the occupiers of Jerusalem will we wiped off the face of time" but never anything about killing all Jews.
Secondly the news sources I use are Generally the ones that spend money on Journalism, not flashy title sequences and the hairstyles of their presenters, and also my own experiences in going to Tehran and talking to a Rabbi there whilst on the Bus, because before that point I believed that tere wasn't a largew Jewish population in Iran.
And I assure you Charles that I have read matthew too many times, as i said before it is part of my Job. The small number of Right Wing christians that you said about unfortunately do have the ear of people such as John McMain and Obama, as McCain actually called Pastor Rob Parsley a "Moral and Spiritual compass" (Not sure if he has denounced him yet...think not) and Hagee also, the one that Quotes the bible and uses it to claim HaShoah as rightful. If that isn't using religion to terrorise a people, i don't know what is.

@ Dan, I said it in the earlier post...Christianity has evolved and developed along with the rest of the world...Islam not only hasn't, but pretty much refuses.  I am not a fundamentalist and most the world's Christians are not- Charles called you out on your liberal bullshit and I will leave that alone.
The bible was written in a time when women were oppressed, not only that but it has been translated how many times....exactly! And who did the translation...white men. Im sure you noticed Jesus is described as having "hair like wool" yet in every white church...he has blue eyes and wavy light brown hair. Yes I am white, I am from the South, but I know shit when I smell it. I'm actually quite surprised that Mary Magdaline didn't get transformed to "Mark Magdaline" when the Catholic Church translated the bible.
Trust me Dan, I am not surprised by their cheering...I know the assholes have nothing but hate for me and my brothers and sisters Infidels. They will come at us anyway they can and they feel they are right and justified in these actions. Which is why I will feel right and justified in my action of "bustin a cap in they ass", being totally rude to any Muslim that looks at me funny and I may just run out onto Main Street here in Jonesboro and scream at the top of my lungs..."Muhummad was a Pedophile!!!!" Just to see if I can stir up some shit because that is my right as an American!
Maybe America was created to wipe Islam off the map? The first settlers wanted freedom to practice the religion of their choice...that's not too savvy to the  teachings of Islam, is it?
And I have never read anything in the bible about the Holocaust, someone's getting smoke blown up their ass! At least the person who said that actually admits that the Holocaust was an event in history...unlike Islamic leaders who say it's a big lie perpetrated by Jews! How can you deny the Holocaust...it's like denying 9/11, oh wait..they do that too.
Defending Islam to me is a waste of your time...take up hemp-twisting or something.

I have read most of your comments. y.k & Matt. love your work. Peace, love 
& happiness, to all. I'm in a cyberspace relationship that started 3yrs. ago as a friendship & in the last months has become serious. He is Islam muslim from Egypt. I am Australian born of northern european ancestry, lutheran. I've been studyin his religion & he has told me of his beliefs. We've been cam chatting for a very long time & know eachothers thoughts & body language. Which helpsos his english isnt always the best & I dont know how hard it will be to learn Arabic, start my course in arabic tomorrow. I have read many books about egypt more so about islam & muslim. Am currently about to read George Negus the world from Islam. George Negus is one of Australias most respected journalists & has possitive influence & integrity. Unlike the Americans. Alot of us Aussies think American are full of shit & brainwashed to be that way. Not that they are to be blamed. We feel sorry for their stupidity &  believe that their government is to blame. I have been doing my own research on the Islam & Muslim, culture & beliefs. I am inspired to convert, at this stage. I was also,  brought up with the influence of my grandfathers teachings for the Church of Christ. I turned away from religion & found that I am scientific in thinking in some respects. I dont wish to waste my life worrying about what will happen to me when I die. On the other hand I dont want to go to hell if there is one. I am primarily considered a good person with a kind heart. I have two very inderpendant yet respectful & loving children. I teach them by example that the ten commandments is a great thing to live by. To do what you like, as long as you dont hurt anyone. To enjoy love, peace, happiness, respect & selfworth. I believe also believe in Karmic laws & Budism is a great way of life, too. Guess i'm multi relgious as well as multicultural, lol. Until now would not have considered converting to Muslim. Having read what i have & the experiences I've had with other religions (I went to a private Catholic girls school for my formal education). I believe that Muslim is the one that most suits me. To make sure & to satisfy my own couriosity i am going to Egpyt soon to find out for myself the truth about Islam Muslims. I can't believe the media hype. Esp. the Americans who are paid to decieve their own people. & maybe fall in love. There may just be a follow up to those interested....

PJ,
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<div> You wish to convert to islam, that is your choice. Speaking of brainwashed, why is it you call Americans that, yet it is MILLIONS of muslims that celebrate their fellow muslims who blow themselves up in crowded markets, rape wantonly because kuffar women are not covered from head to toe-blaming the women for their lack of self control- in an abbayat and niqab, in muslim countries, Europe, and even in Oz? How often have you seen Americans holding rallies chanting "DEATH TO ISLAM!"? You haven't and you never will. Yet it's funny, I have been in Lebanon, at hezbollah rallies, where the muslims chant death to America. I have seen live video of identical rallies in Pakistan and Gaza as well. </div>
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<div>You think you are special because you fell in love wit an Egyptian muslim? Big deal, but I find it funny you have to point that out, as if that somehow makes islam good, and erases all the evil it has caused in the last 1430 years. Ask your paramour how he feels when a Coptic Christian Egyptian is beaten to death, by his fellow Egyptian muslims. Ask him how he feels when Palestinians train their children in summer camp, on launching rockets, so when they are old enough all they have to do is aim for Sderot and fire. Ask him how he feels when a muslim tries to blow up an airplane, in the name of islam, or when a muslim succeds in blowing up a train-station. 
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<div> FYI, no one in the States gives a damn what Aussies think, regarding that so-called brainwashing. You call yourself scientific, so why convert to islam? Oh yeah, because your paramour's faith DEMANDS you submit, in order to marry him. You want to talk about brainwashed? How about someone who WILLINGLY drives a truck filled with explosives into a checkpoint, killing dozens of civilians, to get at TWO soldiers, be they US or Iraqi? How about the muslimah's who tell their son's "if you will not be shaheed, I disown you." </div>
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Yes he has said kill the jews..
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Aussies are living on a former penal colony...And?
Americans we're SOOOO worthy of the British
Empire's attention, that when we broke off, hell
broke loose. Aussies? You were so shitty, the Empire
kicked you to an island prison. Is that enough said?