Top 10 Quran quotes every woman MUST SEE

by Infidelesto on January 11, 2008 · View Comments

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Tell every woman you know about these verses. The oppression of women that Islam advocates is not only disturbing, but is direct contrast with everything that Western civilization stands for when it comes to the rights of women.

These are referenced from an article published from the American Thinker in 2005. Each one goes into much greater detail if you are interested in reading more on each verse. The article is here: Top 10 rules in the Quran that oppress women

10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.

The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.

The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.

The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:

The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.

The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.

The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:

And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:

And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)

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  • http://capribythelake.blogspot.com Carrington

    This makes me so sick to my stomach. Thank you for sharing this, I will keep this personally. On a side note, thank you for all the content and multiple posts a day, you are doing awesome!

  • Aksa

    you have no idea about women in Islam!!! you have taken things out of context… go educate yourself properly before you make shit posts!!!!!

  • noel

    i agree with Aksa im a muslim women and we are very much respected

  • anti-aksa

    even if he has taken it out of context, it is still there.. so meaning there is a chance of these things being used against women.. so technically, the religion has some flaws in advocating them… don’t u think?

  • with-Aksa

    let me say it like this, if you read: “husband kills wife” , then you’d think this man should deserve the death penalty. but what if the story changed to: “wife attacks husband, husband fights back” . Then the version of the story has changed and you would sympathize more with the man. It’s the same thing. Anyone that would read this would think how unjustice Islam is with women. So why wouldn’t all muslim women leave islam, or why would other women convert to islam in the first place? i know feminists that have converted to Islam just because of the equal treatment for women. first, people shouldn’t misinterpret the words of the Quran because thats not how they’re all interpreted. second, somethings might sound debatable because there’s no explanation. To verify and understand something, we have to educate ourselves and not allow ourselves to believe what everyone wants us to perceive.

  • y.k.

    Not everything is interpreted correctly. There is no where in the Quran where it says a man can marry a girl before passing puberty. either someone just purposely added it, or obviously does not know how to read. so if someone actually wants an interpretation from 1-10, here it is:
    For number 1: It’s not even stated once in the Quran.
    For number 2: it’s misinterpreted wrong. In the Quran it explains that a wife should be respectful and obedient, and so a man has the right to be firm with her, not abuse her!
    For number 3: The verse is right, but the title is wrong. The title claims that a man can just get “rid” of one of his wives, but no where in verse does it even say that. A woman is not a toy, and no where in the Quran does it mention a man is so free.
    For number 4: yes, its correct and there’s nothing wrong with it. What’s wrong if a religion permits polygamy? There are many cultures and religions who have accepted and embraced polygamy. Why is Islam being looked upon as the culprit? It clearly says in the verse that the man must treat them equally, and if he cannot, then one is better. -I can go on for the reasons why polygamy is allowed: As we all know, there are almost double the amount of women than men in the world (due to factors such as men required for war, health, age, etc.). For this reason, Islam has allowed polygamy to give the chance to other women to be married and experience the fruitfulness of marriage. It has even been statistically proven that for every man, there are 3.1 women. If a women prefers to keep the marriage as monogamy, there’s nothing wrong with it.
    For number 5: It is COMPLETELY misinterpreted! During war, muslims have spared the lives of their opponents (male or female) by letting the opponent serve them until free (and not even into slavery as the the previous slavery in america) So the verse says that no man should marry a woman that is currently married, but is permitted to marry the girl who is serving him (completely different back than during slavery in america where no white man was allowed to marry a black women and so forth) For number 6: the verses are right, but the title is misleading making it sound wrong. In Islam, a woman/man shouldn’t get divorced for more than 3 times. If someone got divorced for the 3rd time, then their marriage is basically over. Islam takes its marriage seriously, and if someone’s marriage fails 3 times, then obviously its not going to be heading to the right way. That’s why if a women marries a second man, it would only be realized how serious divorce is and shouldn’t be taken for granted. And for anyone who might disagree with it shouldn’t go against these views as the Roman Catholics don’t even allow divorce.
    For number 7: 100% correct, but needs explanation. First, I must point out that in life, a man/woman should be treated equally. But what is equality? Does equality mean the same? Islam says that both man and woman are equal, but that doesn’t mean the opposite sex are the same (biologically speaking that is) Don’t women go through phases during menstruation, pregnancy? Women are more softer, tender, less offensive. Men are more tough, firm, and straight to the point. Women also tend to forget easier than men. That doesn’t mean men are superior, it just means they’re different. During a testimony, it’s very possible for any woman to soften the tensity of a situation to reduce the burden on an accused individual. Women are women. They’re more biologically soft hearted than men. Knowing that women place such warmth inside, its better if a man testifys along to validate the act as it was. Emotion plays a big part on women’s life and can easily move them.
    For number 8: Also 100% correct and needs explanation. Actually if once understood, any woman would accept it. In Islam, a man is required to attain all the women’s needs as it is a requirement by him in Islam. That doesn’t mean a woman can’t be independent and work, it just means that a woman has the right to let her father, brother, husband, manage her financial income. For this reason, a father that passes away gives his son double that of his daughter as the son is obliged to pertain stability for his own wife and his sister. It is the man’s duty in Islam to look after his wife, mother, sister, in respect to the woman. Having said this, it would only make sense that the man get double, as he is the one who’s obliged to look after his sister. So this is actually making it easier on the woman as she also gets to spend her share of the will with complete freedom.
    For number 9: Also 100% true. I have to say this though, women have always wanted to feel like their status is as equal to those of men. Looking back at history, we have seen feminists fighting for women’s rights throughout the world. But let’s face it, men have always been dominant. Adam was the FIRST man created on earth and Eve the SECOND. The man was always “the man of the house”. The man was always the prophet. Why is it even in christianity that God was chosen as man (referring to Jesus), while Islam claims that God is no man or woman, but merely just the fact that man has played a vital role on earth; yet people want to attack Islam by saying that muslim men claim they are superior? Haven’t all our presidents been men? Great dictators/leaders…men? Man has always seemed to take control. This idea has always played in the nature of men in all generations.
    For number 10: 100% true, but the title misleads the meaning. I’m just going to get this straight out: who Doesn’t enjoy the pleasures of intercourse with their partner? Man OR Woman. I could definitely see whoever is against Islam would debate on this, even though there is nothing really to be combative about. The verse needs understanding. It’s as clear as this: God created Adam along with Eve so that they share companionship, love, friendship. Why didn’t God create another guy Adam? Because for a man and woman it is what they both will ever want from each other. Yes, that includes straight out sex. The verse may sound something different than its true meaning behind it. The verse says that God created man and woman for both its pleasure and fruitfulness. So the verse says to the men to enjoy (the gift of women) and feel free to choose the one they love, exchanging love and passion. What is so wrong with that? Don’t people have intercourse normally with other people? Aren’t there pimps, prostitutes, players out there doing what is that fills their desires? But why is it when Islam forbids adultery, and allows intercourse in marriage to be enjoyed seem to be so wrong? Why is it when a single man and single woman commit adultery to fulfill their desires seem to be normal, but everything that Islam says to protect society from corruption and immortality seem to be restrictive? Why is it that the Torah or Bible are not being inspected by doubts, but the Quran full of flaws and injustice? And why is it that people have to be ignorant and not educate themselves to gain the truth? This is coming from a woman who used to be a skeptic feminist. But I’ve come to a realization that in order for one to understand something, one must willingly free doubtful thoughts and look beyond a meaning that has so much more to it. Islam is not a religion of hate, or unjust to women. It does not advocate violence nor does it permit muslims to commit acts that could violate the rights of others. Would it be fair to say that a group of people are terrorists simply because individuals of that group have engaged themselves to something wrong? Each individual should be judged in regard to themselves as a person. A religion should be judged within the content of its message and not the accusations and hatred coming from a group of opposing individuals. Islam, like any other religion, advocates peace and disfavors domestic violence. If people have nothing else better to do than attack it and run fictional facts based on lies from the media, then we all might as well keep each other off track. Speak kind words. And speak the truth, or better not speak at all.

  • sajid

    thanks for criticising islam i am in search for negative comments so that i can clear out the misconceptions in the minds of peaople islam is the true erligion..i know and its ur ignorance that u are unaware..thank u once again!!bye bye …ha h ah a

  • Rudy

    sajid,

    No one here is ignorant of islam. What we post is truth taken from various media sources, and even quotes from muslims themselves, about intolerance, violence, and hatred. It is you who are ignorant, of the fact that islam is dying, muhammad was a pedophile, a terrorist, a thief, and a lunatic.

  • Woad

    If its possible to interperate things in the way above then some will. btw If women are so respected then why the Burka. . . . .why the stonning to death of those who are suspected of adultry and why (in many places) does the Qur’an equate one man to two women. Why is polygamy allowed and practiced still?

  • y.k.

    To Woad:
    Women wear the Burka so they can be respected. Unfortunately the media likes to display this in a negative way showing that Muslim women are oppressed and forced to wear it.Notice that in the Torah and Bible that women are required to cover.Look at Mary, mother of Jesus. Was she not covered? The Hijab/Niquab/ Burka is worn for modesty.Look at the Amish for example. The girls stick to their traditions by wearing long, wide clothes simply as a sign of respect. Even in churches, it is better that girls cover up. As we all know, girls have become a sex symbol and the challenge to be in the “trend” is on going. Many choose to wear the Burka because they feel a sense of security and comfort knowing that they are not catching the eyes of some predating men whom gaze with lust.
    As the stoning of death for those who commit adultery, one must observe the lust that has spread through out the world. You must consider that Islam, like Judaism and Christianity, condemn adultery simply because it has led to destruction in generations. Everything now is sexual, and people everywhere are displaying inappropriate images. People now cheat more than ever, and the desire to have sex is almost now the standard in Western societies. In order to prevent people from committing such acts, there needs to be a punishment, as any consequence would need.
    As for the equality between a man and woman, please refer to my last post where i stated “number 7″.
    I also mentioned polygamy in “number 4″, but I would like you to get a clear understanding of polygamy. Unfortunately due to all the wars that men have went through, millions of men have died, either being single, being husbands or being fathers. Due to this, there are millions of women who will never get the opportunity to get married simply because there are more women than men in the world. Is it not in everyone’s best interest to find love, get married, have children, and commit to a relationship to start a family? Why should millions of other women not have that opportunity? People think that polygamous marriage might not work, but aren’t there monogamous marriages that fail? It might not be in a woman’s interest for her husband to bring additional wives, but it really depends how one looks at it. There are many women who accept and embrace polygamy because they understand and feel for other women. For other women who don’t, they should not be blamed as it may seem for them a distraction in their current marriage. Everyone has a choice, and a man MUST treat all of his wives equally. If he is unable to do so, then monogamy is best in this case.

  • M. Teli

    I I think many would appreciate it very much if you do not take text out of context, and reread and properly understand Islam before you post your ideas about a religion. Yes, many of your above quotes would seem very vulgar and highly wrong if taken out of context as you very well did. But the fact is each of these horrid sounding statements has other text before and after it with exceptions, explanations, literal vs. figurative definitions, etc. I don’t mean to be rude, but just fyi, this can be taken offensive.

  • Rudy

    M. Teli,

    How about you DO something about all the muslims who use children as suicide bombers, raping their maids and killing them, blowing themselves up in markets, funeral tents, weddings, etc…, and decapitating journalists like Daniel Pearl, instead of whining about “context”. Instead of whining about phrases in the Idiots Guide To Terrorism (the quran) being “taken out of context”, why not DO something to stop muslims from blowing themselves up, flying planes into buildings, and calling for an entire nation to be wiped from the map????

  • Storm-Rider
  • y.k.

    To Storm Rider:
    So you are judging a religion based on what some individuals do? There are numerous of bad people from all religions. Aren’t there people like popes who molest children? Or people like Hitler? Does that mean Christian people are bad? Or Jewish people? The Quran does not advocate violence even if some Muslims choose against it. Also, not all information we get from the media is even true. It’ll always be bias because it’s coming from a group of people who are against Islam to begin with.

  • Storm-Rider

    y.k.

    No I don’t judge the entire Muslim religion as evil. The peaceful practice of Islam – the worship of God – acts of compassion and mercy for the sick and the poor – this I love and admire from good Muslims. There I wish to be your eternal friend.

    I oppose and I encourage eternal warfare against Sharia Law and murdering Islamic Jihad. Thomas Jefferson said it well, and he was speaking against corrupted Christianity at the time, but it applies to corrupted Islam and all forms of tyranny:

    “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

  • jen tha rednek

    “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thank you Storm-Rider, I have always loved that quote, it does not get quoted enough or so I believe. I also like this one, “Anything taken to an extreme can become evil.” Strapping bombs on children, stoning adulterers without a fair trial and condemning those that leave Islam to death…well I think thats extreme and has became evil. Just a thought…

  • Storm-Rider

    “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” Thomas Jefferson

    http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm

    “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” Patrick Henry

    http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/henry.shtml

  • y.k.

    To Storm Rider:
    You are absolutely right. But unfortunately, people do not view Islam or Muslims through positive means, simply because of a few individuals’ actions that give Muslims a bad name. Most of the terroristic acts done are cultural and nothing to do based on the religion. On top of it all, the media is not making it any better. As you can see even on this website it tries to bring people against Islam when in fact these people are making false accusations and have got the wrong idea all together. It’s because of things like this that Muslims have gained so much negative attention.

  • Storm-Rider

    Y.K.

    No, we are not in complete agreement. It is not just the actions of a few individuals that give Muslims a bad name. All of the terrorist acts of murder are religious and not cultural. This website is helping to educate people about the threat to their lives and their liberty which Totalitarian Islam represents. Totalitarian Islam is Murdering Totalitarian Islamic Sharia Law and Murdering Totalitarian Islamic Jihad, and our struggle against it is World War IV; and it will be a long war. There are no false accusations here – yours is a false accusation. Mass-murder and political coercion will gain much negative attention.

    “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

    “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” Patrick Henry

  • y.k.

    I think the problem seems to be that people are obviously getting the wrong idea of “Islamic Jihad”. You and so many others follow what the media wants you to believe. Jihad means to fight for the cause of God. Meaning, if a group of people are fighting off and killing innocent Muslims(which is the apparent situation at the moment) then Muslims have the right to fight back. Should one sit back and wait until his or her entire nation is demolished? Take a look at one of the posts written above by “with-Aksa”. That would seem a good point. The media puts in bits a pieces of a story and leaves crucial details that could change a story. Islam would not be the fastest growing religion in the world if it were truly violent. Nor would it have women converting if it were “oppressing women”. If you want truth, you have to search. And searching means you know both sides because I can assure you that getting info from Anti-Muslims means the reality is only non-existent. Islam, like any other religion advocates peace. Who ever is against it is against it and always will be. As the saying goes: “An eye for an eye” (Exodus 21:23–27) People fight to gain their rights, and that includes everyone.

  • Storm-Rider

    y.k.

    No, we are not getting the wrong idea of Islamic Jihad. Your “fight for god” came to America on September 11, 2001, and that was no “fighting off and killing innocent Muslims” – quite the opposite little man.

    It is we Americans who have a right to fight back against this evil of Islamic Jihad – we will defend our God-given life and liberty.

    “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

    “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” Patrick Henry

  • y.k.

    First, if it “were” Muslims who took part of the tragedy on September.11, then you and I are in complete agreement. Hundreds of innocent people died in the most tragic way. But lets Ignore the fact that I believe that September.11 was an inside job (as so many other American people believe as well), what did Iraq have ANYTHING to do with September.11? What I understood was that these muslim “terrorists” were up somewhere in Afghanistan. MILLIONS of Iraqi citizens are dead, thousands of U.S. troops are dead, and all for what cost? Oil? Trust me, I used to fall for the medias information. I just searched for the missing pieces of the puzzle. Muslims, including Christians, Jews, Athiests, who kill innocent people are just evil. A Muslim man who rapes and kills a girl is not considered to be a real Muslim, or a real Christian, or a real Jew. A Muslim father who kills his daughter for not wearing the Hijab has nothing to do with Islam. It is AGAINST Islam to kill UNLESS you are fighting to defend yourself. In Islam, it is not permitted to kill children women,and innocent men. Who does so is wrong (Muslim or non- Muslim). The absurd killing that you and I hear are so-called Muslims who follow their culture instead of their religion. It has nothing to do with Islam. The things we hear are bias, and the government controls what we hear in our so-called Freedom of Press. The government says they fight terror, but all they do is terrorize not only the American people, but the hundreds that have turned to millions each day.

  • Rudy

    y.k.

    YOu and the idiots who believe 9/11 was an inside job are part of the problem. The media is biased in favor of muslim terrorists. That is why this blog exists. Your lies are pointless, and a waste of your energy on a keyboard. If your claim that “A Muslim man who rapes and kills a girl is not considered to be a real Muslim, or a real Christian, or a real Jew. A Muslim father who kills his daughter for not wearing the Hijab has nothing to do with Islam. It is AGAINST Islam to kill UNLESS you are fighting to defend yourself. ” has any merit whatsoever, why did Muhammad order the extermination of entire tribes of Jews? Why do you, and people of your ilk continue to denounce a blog that reports what is seen in media sources from the middle east, and Asian muslim countries, yet claim we are painting a negative picture of islam? Why do you not denounce imams who strap bombs to little girls and blow them up by remote? If the Government controlled the media, there would be no leftist MSNBC, CBS, ABC, or NBC, so right there your lie is exposed. If the Government controlled the media, Keith Olberman would be in a cell somewhere being tortured, just like they do in Iran and Syria, which, YOU GUESSED IT, are muslim countries. Muslim countries are the ones who censor the media, look at my article here about the Afghani journalist who was sentenced to death for questioning the barbaric teachings of the Hadith. You can serve up all the taqqiya you want, but we here are no idiot socialist puppets. I bet you are one of those kooks who believes the global warming bullshit that fat bastard Al Gore spews.

  • Storm-Rider

    “what did Iraq have ANYTHING to do with September.11?”

    y.k.

    Totalitarian Islam is bi-modal, it is a two headed monster as Norman Podhoretz has described it in his book: “World War IV – The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism.”

    On the one hand you have mass-murdering Islamic Terror organizations whose aim is to establish Sharia Law in non-Muslim lands by force. On the other hand there are Fascist Islamic nations who are terror-supporters, and where Sharia Law is already in place either openly or in the background.

    The United States is now engaged in World War IV against an international conspiracy and alliance of murdering Islamic Terrorist groups and murdering Fascist/Islamic Nations.

    During World War II America was at war with the Axis Alliance – an alliance of murdering Nazi, Fascist and Imperial nations: Germany, Italy and Japan. We were attacked by Japan on December 7, 1941 at Pearl Harbor. America’s first significant execution of Just War against this Evil Alliance was Operation Torch – the Invasion of Morocco.

    People may ask, “Why did America attack Morocco – they didn’t attack us?” People may ask, “What did Morocco have to do with Pearl Harbor?”

    Here’s your answer, y.k.: When a member of an alliance of nations, or an alliance of nations and non-state actors such as terror groups, wages unjust war against a particular nation; that nation is then free to wage just war against the entire alliance arrayed against it – just war in defense of national life – and in the case of the United States – just war in defense of life and liberty.

    The enemy nations or groups do not get to pick the time or the place for America to wage war. Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Syria, are members of the Islamo-Fascist alliance, along with al-Qaeda and other Islamic Terror groups. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Indonesia are probably on the list as well. These are the members of an evil conspiracy and alliance which has declared War on the United States of America, but we are not at war with ordinary good Muslims who are not supporters of the evil International Islamofascist Alliance.

  • y.k.

    Rudy
    Keith Olbermann is an Independent news anchor. One of the good things about America (unlike some Arab countries as you have mentioned yourself) allow people to have a say without being interrogated for it. But people like Olbermann or Michael Moore can only speak out so much until the government bombards more conspiracies to terrorize the public, masking them from reality. Do you think that the mass media is incapable of lying? We’re talking about the most powerful, wealthiest, influential people in the world. They’re very much in control over what we see or hear, and I can assure you that they play a greater role to the American public. You’re talking about a small percent of those who are independent thinkers. How many times do you hear “Muslim Terrorists” compared to “the lies of the U.S. government”? Practically incomparable. There’s more evidence of support coming out from people who say that 9/11 was an inside job than what the government has ever provided. So instead, the government takes advantage of its leading power and uses the mass media to convey the so-called “horrific acts” of Muslims, which they know will be of a greater influence to the people. Every time they bring this up, fear is created, thus internal hatred is building up towards the Muslims.

    As for the Prophet Muhammad “terminating” the Jews. Again you only take the info you want to hear. How about you complete it. How about you mention that the Muslims and Jews at that time were in one land together, living under a Muslim country, which over a period of time the Jews wanted to kill Prophet Muhammad (as they had to pay their taxes), which then led to Prophet Muhammad saying to get rid of the Jews. You leave such crucial points out as if Islam condemns the Jews or Christians. But you would probably ignore the stories about the kindness between the Muslims and different religions. There is a well known story about Prophet Muhammad and his Jewish neighbor. Everyday this neighbor would dump garbage on the doorsteps of Prophet Muhammad’s house. One day Muhammad got up and found his doorstep untouched. Questioning why there was no garbage as every other day, he went to his neighbor to ask why he had not come to dump garbage. Normally, one would just be grateful that their neighbor stopped giving them a hard time. But regardless, Prophet Muhammad went to visit his neighbor, after realizing that day he was sick. It was because of this act of kindness that his Jewish neighbor converted to Islam. No one should go on saying that Muslims hate Jews.Islam is peace. It is because of this reason that so many people convert because they try to understand what Islam is really about without absorbing the negative ideas the media brings out. Just because the Arab media censor some of the things, that doesn’t exactly make them right either. Again that is generalizing. And that doesn’t exactly make the American government right either. You’d actually be surprised how many times these Arab governments take sides with the U.S.. Which is why so many Muslims are against their own government (then again its not surprising).

    Fyi, no I don’t really support Al Gore, Hillary, or Obama for that matter. They’re all the same when you look at it. Different ideas in some points, but all stand for one cause. It doesn’t really matter who I agree with or who you’re against, or vice versa. What matters is people shouldn’t hate each other for choosing to believe something. A Christian may be against the beliefs of Jews, but thats how life is. We’re not meant to agree with each other. We never will, because that’s how we humans are. That doesn’t mean we should all go against each other. Understand that humans are not perfect regardless of what religion. We can’t go on hating a group of individuals just because some morons do something unforgivable. I can’t understand why some people discriminate all Muslims instead of disliking a minority of them. Just like I can’t understand why some Muslims dislike the Jewish population because of a few bad ones. Again, Islam is not hate. People who hate will hate and will continue to hate. But hey, it doesn’t really matter. It doesn’t change the fact that a lot of people are willing to understand and educate themselves. You claim what I and so many others used to believe. The only difference is some people stick to their beliefs unwillingly accepting new ideas as it would cause a controversy to their present beliefs, and then there’s people who accept, change, and embrace to new ideas.
    The brain can be so powerful, but only if one knows how to use it.

  • y.k.

    Storm-Rider
    I can see your point, but that doesn’t mean for those reasons that America had a right to declare these wars. The U.S. claims countries like Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Syria are all linked. But again, what do the allies have to do with this? Shouldn’t the government be looking for its source? Look at the outcome of the war. We’re talking about millions dead, millions injured, millions displaced from their homes. War in general is something risky and should be reconsidered with precaution. America is well known for its numerous battles and wars against nations. That’s why unfortunately so many people are against America.It would only seem from this point that power has played such an important part. The U.S. has been in the lead, and to lose such a vital position is beyond fathomable. To be able to remain in the highest position (and I’m talking about for any country), resources would have to be flourishing, almost ever-lasting (practically impossible), and then the economy would have to have the means to be able to manage the incomes (imports and exports from different countries) which any country would try to avoid as there would be no longer any means to support such financial pays. Which would mean the country would be incapable of being in control of its society, and therefore falling behind. The U.S. definitely seems to have been good in being so powerful for such a long period time, but for what price? The blood of millions? These wars have helped the U.S. remain in the lead. These warfares gave America the opportunity to dominate and control, and use it all for the country’s benefits. To lose it all would be a risk, so to them what harm if there were sacrifices. A sacrifice means nothing to one if there is benefit. What would it matter to the U.S. if they had made other sacrifices? It payed the price thats for sure. To use excuses to allow controversial actions on others by making up propaganda would seem ingenious. It seems to the U.S. that everyone just wants to overthrow the government. Would seem like a good plan to engage in wars, only if the public viewed it the same.

  • Rudy

    Keith Olberman is a leftist tool. Michael Moore is nothing but a propaganda artist who has a talent for cutting and pasting video to make it suit his purpose. They, and their elitist communist bosses control the media, not the government. If the government controlled the media, no one would know abotu Gitmo, or Abu Ghraib. You are right in that they are allowed to speak with out fear of reprisal from the Govt. But they spew forth outright lies, and are often called out on it. They always find a way to make the guy who blows himself up the victim, such as the kuwaiti terrorist who was detained at Gitmo then release due to leftist whining. What did he do? Went right back to Iraq to blow himself up. But I am sure the explosion was “taken out of context”, as the leftists love to say. And who gives a crap about Abu Ghraib. Awww poor terrorist who love to blow themselves up in the name of islam, were made to play naked twister, and had a female laughing at their tiny genitals. Breaks my heart. Maybe next time we ought to be merciful like they are, and just cut their heads off and post the video on youtube. An eye for an eye, but you know DAMN well the US is better than that, and won’t do it.

    And regarding “more evidence of support from people who say 9/11 was an inside job than what the government provided.” So what? People are free to believe what they want. 300 years ago everyone was convinced, they all just KNEW the earth was flat. People today also believed that an ARM was a good idea for buying a home, and that maxing out a credit card because the interest was only 3% was a good idea. How is that working out?

    You distort the story of muhammad eliminating the Jews. Back when the Jews and Muhammads’s tribe were living in the Arabian peninsula together, it was NOT a muslim country. Islam didn’t take its hold until later in Muhammad’s life. The muslim country you speak of was not in existence until that point. That’s when he started his extinction agenda.

    Now, regarding the outcome of the war, where are you getting this “millions of dead” figure? Are you a Rosie O’Donnell follower? As for the millions injured, or displaced, those numbers are misleading, due to the large numbers of Iraqis returning home, now that we are clearly winning in Iraq, something the so called govt controlled media is not reporting to you back in the US. As for what the allies had to do with this, Saddam hosted terrorist training camps, and employed terrorists to kill Iraqi dissidents, both in Iraq, and in Europe, as well as targeting foreign persons with said terrorists. You can find that information in various places. Iran funds and supports Hezbollah, the so-called resistance against Israel, who, by the way just turned their guns on the Lebanese they claim to protect from Israel, killing over 60 Lebanese civilians. The guns they used? Provided by Syria. Pakistan is a threat because Pervez Musharraf has no control over the tribal region of Waziristan, where al Qaeda is holed up. Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Al Qaeda wants to get their hands on one, and WILL NOT hesitate to use it on American Soil. If you cannot process that, it is your problem. As for America being known for numerous wars against nations, you say it like the US is the only nation to ever declare war on anyone. What about The First Reich of Germany against all of Europe? And then Nazi Germany against all of Europe? Iraq attacking Iran in the 80s, andinvading Kuwait in 1991? Or how about the armies of islam invading North Africa and then Europe? 800 years of occupation in Europe included, which resulted in the Crusades to retake the Holy Land, and the Spanish Inquisition, during which fewer people died than on 9/11.into the field in PA? And how about all that genocide and violence in Africa? Sudan, Chad, Nigeria, all muslim, all violent. I guess I am taking the violence out of context.

  • Storm-Rider

    y.k.

    “but that doesn’t mean for those reasons that America had a right to declare these wars.”

    No, y.k., the war was declared by our enemies – the Islamofascist alliance.

    “We’re talking about millions dead, millions injured, millions displaced from their homes.

    No, y.k., there aren’t millions dead, millions injured, or millions displaced from their homes. The vast majority of innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan and Iraq were murdered by the terrorist arm of the Islamofascist alliance.

    “These wars have helped the U.S. remain in the lead. These warfares gave America the opportunity to dominate and control, and use it all for the country’s benefits.”

    No, y.k., this war has helped the United States defend the sacred life and liberty of her people, not to conquer or dominate.

  • http://www,traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Storm-Rider I agree! We needed to just send it faster. Let’s make it a quickie message to the Islamofascist ‘Basket Cases’ of the world. Kick butts and take names! No questions asked! GET-ER Done <:)

  • http://na Shamma

    In refuting your clause 5. Unless you read the previous versus, you wont see teh truth in this. You refered to verse 24, and said that

    “5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.”
    it was written in verse 23 that you can marry slave girls. how is marriage an oppression(according to what you say) i do not know.

    Here are teh TWO verses

    23: Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father’s sisters, your mother’s sisters, your brother’s daughters, your sister’s daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives’ mothers, your step daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in – but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), – the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, All?h is Oft?Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    24. Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has All?h ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All?Knowing, All?Wise.

  • Jillia

    Isn’t it fascinating how completely brainwashed Islam is of it’s own crimes against all of humanity – including their own women? Yet, they have no idea – or are they simply as evil as Moham was? Also,the only benefit you get with being a woman in Islam is : stoning to death, forced imprisonment in your home, being a maid to every man in your life, being forced into marriage, being killed for ______ (pick your crime – Islam has it), and also, let’s not forget another horrific thing that no one speaks about – and that is having your vagina ripped from your body. All of it. I should ask Aisha, does she still have it? PUKE!
    Wake up Muslim women. You’re completely, utterly, hopelessly BRAINWASHED. Use your BRAIN. Free yourself and live your life. You are fools, brainwashed and ignorant. Go visit the site
    http://www.faithfreedom.org.

  • Moni

    Don’t know why you’re complaining so much about Islam and women…Americans are thick, brainwashed, bullsh!tting, thieving, murdering bullies but we don’t go around complaining about it do we?

  • Rudy

    Moni,

    We don’t stone women for adultery. We don’t blow ourselves up chanting “In Jesus’ Name”. We don’t cut peoples’ heads off and put it on youtube. We don’t cut off the clitoris from our women. We don’t call Christianity the religion of peace, while THOUSANDS of Christians blow themselves up, cut non-Christians’ heads off, molest children, rape their maids, beat women for not wearing a niqab, abbayat, etc… That is what muslims do.

    As for Americans being thick, how about those Saudi inbred fucktards known as the Muttawa? You think I don’t know about them, and the truth about islam? Come up with something better than insults. The only thing thick on Americans is our skin. Call us names all you want. You use the internet, an AMERICAN innovation. You use a telephone, right? Guess who invented that? AMERICANS.

  • Moni

    Rudy,

    we don’t do any of the stuff you mentioned. I do know that Americans interfere where they are not needed, go around bombing and murdering for no reason ie Afghanistan. Americans think they are the police of the world. All they are interested in is oil. So what if I use the net and phone? Don’t you put petrol in your car? Where do think that comes from? From Washington DC? Why don’t they try to sort out the problems in say Bangladesh..? Oh, right, i forgot NO OIL.

    It’s not about insults but about you lot not opening your minds. All the stuff you mentioned doesn’t happen. I don’t even know where you got that from. Maybe the media. Your minds are so closed. Many of the converts to Islam are women. If they are so mistreated, why is this so?

    Everything is so pretty and perfect in the USA isn’t it? How about your Christian white boy that with the Oklahoma bombing?

    You know all about muslims don’t you? Course you do, you’re American…

  • Jillia

    To the idiot that doesn’t know why everyone is complaining about Islam?
    And thinks that there was no reason to bomb you bastards in Afghanistan? Did you think 9-11 was a reason to blast you back to the 7th century – back where you terrorists belong? We didn’t – but could of.
    As far as oil goes – it was the west that discovered and made everything to extract that oil off your lazy butts – and you profit from it. Basically you sit on something that you did not develop or know about – and without the WEST you would still be sitting in your caves – although your Master Bin Laden is hiding out in one! Ha!

    Islamic society is very much psychopathic and your people are so mentally ill – you will self destruct. And yes, it’s great living in the best country in the world – the USA – and I bet you’d do anything to get out of the hellhole you call your home if you could get past immigration!

  • Rudy

    Moni,

    Muslims DO commit those atrocities. You can lie to yourself and to us about it, but I see it every day. My friends in Lebanon see it every day. Same in Saudi. Killing done in the name of islam. Sunni vs Shia, Sunni and Shia vs Israeli. Shia vs Druze. Sunni vs
    Christian. I could go on.

    Jillia said it best with regards to oil. The Arab world would be nothing, had the British and American governments not developed the oil discovered here. I do put gasoline in my car. It also comes from Venezuela, Mexico, Canada, The United States, Brazil, and many other places besides the middle east.

    Not one single time have I said everything in the US is perfect. Far from it. We have our problems, and then some. But it is 100 times better than any country where islam is in charge. It is 10 times better than Europe, where muslims riot annually in France, kill people in the Netherlands, for speaking their opinion (Theo van Gogh) and threaten to kill cartoonists in Denmark for drawing the pedophile Muhammad as he truly was.

    Your white boy hero Timothy McVeigh was an anarchist, and not one single time did he ever claim be blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building up in the name of Jesus or God. Nice try though. You name one white guy who did something that over 40000 muslims have done. I guess that balances out, in your feeble mind.

    And for the record, I know plenty about muslims. Most are good, simple people who want to be left in peace. But they do nothing to stop the ones who want to impose shariah across the globe. The United States stopped Saddam from destroying Kuwait completely. Kuwait is now one of the richest countries along the Gulf Coast.

    The United States created, funded and trained the Mujahideen in Afghanistan when the USSR invaded. They thanked us on 9/11. We are responding now. And they are running like the cowards they truly are, since neither allah nor muhammad can stand up to the forces of Freedom and Liberty.

  • Moni

    Americans have bombed nearly 40 countries since World War 2 – what a peaceful nation.

    By the way who caused World War 1 and 2 where millions died? Can’t pin those horrific wars on Islam!

    Funny how people talk about Freedom and Liberty – the forces of Freedom and Liberty are so strong that if people do not accept them the US will just FORCE them onto nations – even if it means by dropping million dollar bombs on them! What better way to promote the ideas of Freedom and Liberty!

  • Moderate Matt

    Moni-

    Think with your head. Americans did not start WWI, it originated in Europe when in fact, the USA had adopted an isolationist policy.

    WWII was not started by Americans, but an evil man intent on controlling the world, and whose major aim was to destroy the Jewish race. Hmm, notice a similarity there between Hitler and radical Islam?

    As to your comment that America has bombed nearly 40 countries since WWII, get real. That is nearly 1 out of every 6 countries in the world.

    Let’s try and count. Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Grenada, Lebanon, Syria, Grenada, Panama, Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

    Forty?? Forty?? Please. Even if I missed a few, that is a far cry from your lunacy. As to our being the world’s policeman, yes, we are far from perfect, but we at least have the moral courage and fortitude and strength to address our enemies head on, in the name of freedom, and above all, EVEN IN THE MIDST OF COMBAT, to spare lives of the innocent.

    Can you say the same for your deceiving, cloaked, cowardly mad bombers and assassins who delight in the murders of children, raids on schools and public transportation as much as the defeat of a soldier?

  • Moni

    To the idiot called Jillia,

    I wouldn’t want to get past immigration of the UK to get to that thieving, murdering country.  Didn’t you know your ancestors murdered the Indians with diseased blankets?  If the mid east turns off the tap tomorrow, your thieving country will be on it’s knees.

    Matt,
    I wouldn’t expect you to know.

    here you go:

    Afghanistan 1998, 2001-present
    Bosnia 1994, 1995
    Cambodia 1969-70
    China 1945-46, 1950-53
    Congo 1964
    Cuba 1959-1961
    El Salvador 1980s
    Korea 1950-53
    Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69
    Indonesia 1958
    Laos 1964-73
    Grenada 1983
    Iraq 1991-present
    Iran 1987
    Kuwait 1991
    Lebanon 1983, 1984
    Libya 1986
    Nicaragua 1980s
    Pakistan 2003, 2006
    Panama 1989
    Peru 1965
    Somalia 1993, 2008
    Sudan 1998
    Vietnam 1961-73
    Yemen 2002
    Yugoslavia 1999


    Afghanistan 2001-02

    You know what the best thing would be for your guys to do?  You know all those women that are converting in places such as Texas?
    For example:
    http://www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9184353144432289069

    Well those ppl are born into liberty and freedom and they don’t want it.  You should let them know how bad Islam is for women because it seems they prefer the respect that is given to them in Islam rather than the liberty and freedom of the USA.

    Talking to you lot is like banging your head against a wall.  Go and listen to your joker of a President and go and bomb some more countries.

  • Moni

    “EVEN IN THE MIDST OF COMBAT, to spare lives of the innocent.”

    God that made me laugh so much…hahaha . Like when you were carpet bombing in Afghanistan ..?

    Goodness, you better let all the converts in your country know what’s really going on…lol

  • Moderate Matt

    Well, Moni, I still don’t see FORTY countries, and I see a helluva lot of justification, including BOSNIA where their is no oil and we went in to save the lives of MUSLIMS.
    We are not perfect, and yes, instances of abuse of power do occur. But it is not mandated by our predominant religion, and while we don’t always succeed, we DO try to protect the rights of the innocent and ensure freedom for all. Again, it ain’t perfect, but other than Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber, we have a lot less cowards and murdereres of the innocents than anyone on YOUR side of the fence. As a matter of fact, there aren’t enough fingers and toes on the congregation of one average mosque to count the number of your sad, pitiful “martyrs” .

    I do agree that we should not hate each other, as your point of view is more sad than deplorable.

  • Moderate Matt

    By the way Moni, to your reply to Julia,
    If the mid-east did indeed turn off the spigot to the west, it would be YOUR kind eating sand and drinking oil. That region, while it could indeed inflict short term economic harm on the west, needs us FAR more in the long term than we need them. Other than oil, sand, camel meat, and hatred, what exactly DOES that region have to offer?

  • Moderate Matt

    Hey Moni- Here’s a list of countries that Muslims have bombed since 1980.:

    Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Tunisia, India, Spain, UK, USA, UAE, Russia, China, Indonesia, Sudan, Chad, Kuwait, Phillipines, Angola, Somalia.

    It is all bac, but the most shameful part of this sad list is how many more innocents died than military targets. 

  • Rudy

    Moderate Matt – SCORE!

    Moni -FAIL

    :D

  • muslimah

    this website makes me sick. the problem is that you all a kuffars, disbeliever and hypocrits. The truth is that you western woman are the oppressed, you have to sell your body in order to get attention. Islam emancipated woman. My husband gives me my rights, and I feel like a queen, all you women get is drunkens, and wife beatersm who cheat on you, and come home in filth and disease. May Allah curse the those who disrespect Allah and His beloved Prophet

  • Rudy

    Matt,

    You left out Algeria, Argentina, Bangladesh, Chechnya, Dagestan, Ethiopia, France, Ingushetia, Gaza, Greece, Kenya, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Maldives, Nigeria, Qatar, Sri Lanka, Tajikistan, Thailand, Yemen, The West Bank, and I am sure with some earnest research there are more.

  • anon

    What on earth is wrong with this Muslimah, her hatred for the West and her appalling,  sexism is obviously getting the better of her. But she non the less freely chooses to live in the West enjoying all the freedoms, benefits and prosperity it has to offer.  Notice the cursing, [ typical] she is obviously seething.  She should seethe in a corner!

  • Jillia

    In response to the comment by Mrs. EMANCIPATED:

    The more pious a muslim becomes – the more murderous they become. They then lose their ability to reason, rationalize, make judgments  – as well as  understand and grasp reality. It must be difficult for you to grow up and learn that everything you have been taught by Islam is a lie. Yes, that must hurt, however, I don’t think you’ve become educated enough yet; you have not yet gotten out from under the thumb of the brainwashing that comes from being born to Islam.
    The other fascinating  thing about Islam is how does a person that has the ability to either see, hear or read honor and  follow  a  man such as mohamad?  How could one read about such a criminal and sit back and say – “Hey, this guy is great – I want to be just like him”? If you can see – you would be able to see the hatefests that monopolize all your time, education and daily activities.  Please explain to us how you can use your mind – use logic – and decide that you want to be like this man? This is an ignorant man who  murdered, engaged in torture, theft, beheadings; lying, enslavement of whole peoples as well as raping small girls?  Can you give anyone a reason to follow such a psychopath evil man, other than the brainwashed masses that is Islam? Do you lack intelligence or is it because you have been so brainwashed with hatred of things not Islam through lies?   Do you want to harm others and you feel you deserve to harm others for not wanting to be like you?  Go look in the mirror, and ask yourself… “do I want to kill  those that refuse to believe mohammed? Do I want to engage in and do I agree with the mass murder of infidels “.  Go ahead. I want to know if that is what you want to do- because your Koran and your “prophet Mohamed” has demanded that in order to be faithful to him – this is what you must do.  Then come back to this post and tell all of us that you have made a decision that if we do not believe in your prophet – that we all deserve to die.  I want to know if then you will understand who you truly are and what Islam is. That is your choice – and you can’t have it both ways. You can believe in equal rights for all people – or you can believe in your Mohammed that says we should be dead because he is the only God. It is not a difficult decision, which shows all of us how corrupt and ill Islamic society is.

    In fact, Islamic Supremacists – which is the core of Islam -  have no capacity  and no understanding of humanistic values, rights and has no civility whatsoever.  It turns even small children into psychopaths – unable to sympathize and empathize with others.  It kills all things that are not like it – and has no respect for the for anything including the earth, nature, animals or any living thing. In fact, identify any area of the world on the map where there is Islam – and you will find out of proportion rape and murder, welfare states, economic despair, crime, polygamy, honor killings, corruption, death, drugs,  and just outright hell.  It’s an imprint Islam leaves all over the world – wherever they plant themselves.

    In addition, I laughed when you brought up womens rights in Islam. I laughed harder when you brought up disease!! You must already know that AIDS is alive and well in all the Islamic countries. In fact, it’s so out of control that Muslims are dying and are about to die in record numbers from AIDS!!! First, because Islam is unable to do anything but hate – ironically enough – will be it’s downfall.   Did you know the reported estimates (Islam will not admit to the disease) of AIDS in Islamic countries is up 300 percent! Remember now, that is just what Islam has been forced to admit because it’s observed from the outside world. Since Islam would like us to think it’s culture is pure, however we already know it is not – it’s this culture of denial  that will lead to it’s own demise – like a suicide mission, simply because your culture of supremacy will not allow you to take responsibility for the disease – and ways to stop it by altering your behavior – and that behavior is allowing AIDS to spread in unprecedented numbers throughout your world. Again, this is Islam. And although Islam can try to blame everyone but themselves for this – we need not do anything to you.  Your “cultures”  supremacist attitudes, your hatred of all others, your lack of responsibility for anything – including your own lives – is what will stop Islam in it’s tracks.  It has already begun.

    Look up AIDS in Islam. It will offer you enough information to grasp how quickly it has spread throughout all your populations to know – but I’m sure you see and hear more about AIDS than any westerner because we in the west tackled the problem decades ago.   Your culture has been dying from this disease for decades. Now it’s so completely out of control that millions of babies are being born every day with the deadly disease. In fact,  there is a special out on Cinemax called Sari’s mother – that talks about AIDS and her inability to get help living in the Islamic world. It will be on this month.  Everyone should watch this. Also, if you google this – it will get you to some information about AIDS in Islam:

    March 29, 2007
    At a UN Development Program meeting yesterday in Bahrain, Sayed Aqa, UNDP’s country coordinator and representative, said HIV/AIDS CASES HAVE INCREASED 300 PERCENT IN THE ARAB WORLD OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS!

    “This is against an annual rate of increase of 20 percent in the United States, Japan, Europe, and Australia.

  • Jillia

    Take a look at this: The Poor Saudis. They import everything – and then take a good at the GDP for these countries. Appalling – and laughable.  Islam has made all those that touch it into useless consumers and killers:

    Sultan al-Mazeen recently stopped at a gas station to fill up his SUV, paying 45 cents a gallon — about one-tenth what Americans pay these days.
    But the Saudi technician says Americans shouldn’t be jealous. Inflation that has hit 30-year highs on everything else in the kingdom is making Saudis feel poorer despite the flush of oil money.
    “I tell the Americans, don’t feel envious because gas is cheaper here,” said al-Mazeen, 36. “We’re worse off than before.”
    While Saudis don’t feel the pain at the pump, they feel it everywhere else, paying more at grocery stores and restaurants and for rent and construction material. While the country is getting richer selling oil at prices that climbed to a record $145 per barrel last week, inflation has reached almost 11 percent, breaking double-digits for the first time since the late 1970s.
    “Gas prices are low here, so what?” said Muhammad Abdullah, a 60-year-old retiree. “What can I do with gas? Drink it? Take it with me to the supermarket?”
    Al-Mazeen says his monthly grocery bill has doubled — to $215 — compared to last year, when oil was at around $70 a barrel. During that time period, the price of rice has doubled to about 72 cents a pound, and a pound of beef has gone up more than a third to about $4.
    Moreover, Saudis are grappling with unemployment — estimated at 30 percent among young people aged 16 to 26 — and a stock market that is down 10 percent since the beginning of the year.
    Many Saudis are realizing that this oil boom will not have the same impact as the one in the 1970s, which raised Saudis from rags to riches. This time, the wealth isn’t trickling down as fast or in the same quantities.
    One reason is the kingdom’s growing population, says John Sfakianakis, chief economist at the Saudi British Bank. In the 1970s, the population of Saudi Arabia was 9.5 million. Today, it’s 27.6 million, including 22 million Saudi citizens.
    That means the state, which controls nearly all oil income, has to spread the wealth among more people. Besides a generous social welfare system that includes free education from pre-school through university and other benefits for citizens, the public sector employs some 2 million people and 65 percent of the budget goes to salaries.
    “The state, yes, is wealthier, but the state has close to three times the amount of people it has to cater for,” said Sfakianakis. “Even if Saudi Arabia had lower inflation (in the 1970s), the country and the needs of the country are bigger than what they used to be.”
    To read the rest of the article:::::::::::::
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_where_s_the_wealth&printer=1;_ylt=Ajmf7D7VssMHx8ydAuJJcioUewgF

  • jennyjen

    Muslimah, I am saddened by what you think goes on in the western world, clearly you are a victim of Islamic propaganda.  I don’t sell my body for attention, I dress to impress myself.  If my man likes it, wonderful, if not, well that hasn’t occurred.  I will tell you this, he will not beat me, rape me or have another woman as Islam allows their men and I use the word “men” loosely, filthy pigs is more fitting. May the one true God bless you with knowledge and empowerment.

  • Jillia

    If Islam stopped it’s murdering and committing genocide all over the world  – we would not be forced to go in to protect the innocent. And we will protect them from you.  Also, you and your homicidal gang – should be GRATEFUL that we left anything at all standing in your murderous nations. But don’t worry – like a pesky gnat  – you do any more harm and we will have all the justification to send you all back to the 7th century – back to your caves – like your leader Osama is – in the dark and hiding. A coward like all of Islam. You will no longer be able to kill Native Africans in the Sudan or any other part of Africa; no longer enslave little boys as sex slaves – no longer be able to pick women out of the Nuba Mountains and make them domestic slaves, sex slaves – or allowed to steal small children from their parents and make them beggars for Islam.  (Such disgrace!)   Islam will not be able to torture animals nor will they be permitted to have the largest dog fighting groups on the planet; nor will they be able to commit genocide on the remaining Albanians left on the planet – since they already killed over a 2 million. Christians and Jews will no longer be slaughtered for your pleasure.  Muslims  will no longer be allowed to sue the innocent for speaking their mind; no longer be able to kill their own daughters after first ripping their sexuality from their bodies. Islam will no longer be able to throw acid in the face of girls; make them marry a man that beats them; will no longer be able to rape any women freely… and well… where should I end this?  This is is a list of atrocities that is only a small beginning of Islam.  You should be ashamed of yourself and your “believers”.  I call your group – Walking Satan – or Satan on earth – the epitome of evil.  Just remember,  the time is getting near when our gloves will come off in fighting you.  It will be a fast and easy fight – even though you fight like cowards.  Then let’s see you cry then. :)

  • muslimah

    you have no idea what your taking about Jennyjen.. if anyone has a closer connection to pigs then its u people, u eat the nasty thing.. so your admiting to eat filth.. couldnt agree more. Unlike your men, our Muslim men wash 5times daily, and prostrate before The One True Allah in Submission and Humility. The One True God has blessed me Alright.. thats why im A muslim and follow the Path of Allah bought by the Last messenger. If you look at the orignal biblical texts u will come to realise that our religions (all abrahemic faiths ) are not that different at all. We have the same goals, and hope to achieve the same destination, but have different means of reaching so. As muslims we respect prophet Jesus (Isa) and his teachings. But over the years its evident that christianity has changed, and so has the Christian nation.
    jillia as for you.. and your long essay of nothing but BS supposedly stating ‘facts’, your living in Lord knows which century.. Muslims didnt kill, or bury there daughter alive.. it was practiced before Islam was revealed, it was the idol worshippers and pagans. As i said Islam emancipated Women. In Islam there is no such thing as forced marriages, unlike some christianity sects (mormons i believe)… Genocide… oh ok..so that Pig who goes by the name of George Bush was spreading Love was he.. ?? Our only leader as Muslims is the greatest of All Prophets, the last Messenger of Allah, Prophet Muhammed Peace and blessings be upon him. what you hear and see on TV are little Pigs like G W Bush tryin to pollute the world with Shaytanic ideology. All that you wrote Jillia was a waste of time because its not Islam.. talk once you actually know what Islam is, CHANCES ARE YOU ALL WONT, SO THATS A ONE WAY TICKET FOR YOU TO HELL THEN I SUPPOSE. HAVE FUN.
     

  • anon

    Oh dear,  Muslimah, has worked herself into a lather again, must be from all that washing! Well, to be fair, between all the washing, the praying and the cursing, she  may not find  time for little  else other than working herself into a lather, every time someone, refuses to submit to her point of view. Calm down, they’ll be no submission, that is a dead cert, so keep right on washing!

    Sorry, but with all due respect, Jesus Christ was not a prophet, to even suggest that, is pure, unadulterated blasphemy, not to mention the little shameful detail of telling porkies whenever it suits her.  He  was the son of God, this is an undisputed fact and  the bible is there to  prove it. Just wish some of these people,  would show some  respect and stop trying to cause insult where non is necessary.

    Frankly, hell sounds far more fascinating, interesting and much more fun,than   being stuck in boring  paradise as a recycled virgin.  No sire, that would not be for the modern liberated woman, who chooses her own man and dumps him if things does not work out. Forget the virginity crap, that is a trap designed to snare all decent, respectable and intelligent women. 

    Please forgive me , but  I am off now, for a bier and a hot dog, to unwind for the day, far better and infinitely more satisfying than  the pie in the sky, or paradise  when you die, kind of thing.

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    [...] this the emancipation, and freedom for women that commentor muslimah is referring to when she calls me a pig and tells me I don’t know what I am talking [...]

  • Rudy

    muslimah,

    I would rather eat pork and other pig products than drink camel piss like they do in the muslim world. Same with molesting little girls, little boys, and buying and selling women as sex slaves. All practiced by muslims here in the middle east, following the example of the pedophile piss drinker Muhammad.
  • Hamza

    that

    is

    complete

    bullshit

    you’re twisting the true meaning and warping the interpretation you retarded idiots, read deeper instead of trying to blemish the worlds most popular religion

  • Rudy

    Hamza, if we are twisting the words, and not reading deeply enough, why are muslims DOING THE VERY THINGS written about in this post? Why are we constantly reading about little girls in Yemen sold into marriage at age 9, or at age 15 in Saudi? Why are women routinely beaten, mutilated and/or killed for “offending the honor” of the family, in Iraq, Saudi, Jordan, Syria, Gaza, Pakistan, and Afghanistan? And why have I met so many women who were divorced on a whim by their husbands here in the middle east where I work? That includes Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, Kuwaiti, and Persian.

    You calling us retarded idiots does not disprove anything written here. However I do give you credit for using proper grammar, spelling and punctuation.

  • muslimah

    YOU FILTHY PIECE OF $H!Tt RUDY. ALLAH’S CURSE WILL BEFALL YOU AND INSHA’ALLAH YOU WHOLE FAMILY AND YOUR LOVED ONES. YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SWEARING AT THE BELOVED OF ALLAH.. FAT CHANCE ! SO YOU DISBELIEVERS AND FUEL OF THE HELL FIRE ( IE THE JEWS, FOR EG AND THE CHRISTIANS) ARE TELLING ME THAT THE NUNS IN YOUR CHURCHES ARE MARRIED TO GOD… RIIIIIIIGHT… YOU PEOPLE ARE TWISTED… AT THE SAME TIME JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD… SO ERMMM … LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT INCEST ALL UP YOUR SYSTEM..
     
    CAMEL PISS… HAHA ! Bs.. U GOT IT TWISTED AGEN YOU FILTHY RAT !
    TO BE HONEST ALLAH HAS ALREADY CURSED THE JEWS AND YOU CHRISTIANS DIDNT DO MUCH IN PLEASING ALLAH, AND NOR DID U TAKE HEED FROM THE MESSEGE OF PROPHET JESUS.. SO UR DESTINED FOR HELL ANYWAY..NO POINT IN ARGUING WITH U SHItt HEADS ANYWAYS. GO GET DRUNK.. HOPE YOU DIE DOIN SO AND  ROT IN HELL SADLY EVER AFTER.
    ISLAM IS THE ONLY SAVIOUR.
    ALLAHU AKBAR !

  • muslimah

    JUST GOIN TO TAKE ONE QURANIC VERSE AND SHOW U HOW THIS WEBSITE HAS TWISTED THE TRUTH

    Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like .

    THE AYAH ( VERSE) IS ACTUALLY SAYING THAT WOMAN ARE LLIOKE FERTILE LAND, PRECIOUS AND SHOULD BE LOOKED AFTER. NOT OVER USED AND TREATED WITH CARE!! NON OF YOU SKETS POSTING ON THIS WEBSITE ARE MUSLIMS.. AS ME , A MUSLIM WOMAN ABOUT ISLAM OF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT NO.. NOBODY WILL ASK A MUSLIM WOMAN , HOW A MUSLIM WOMAN FEELS.. !

    TWISTED KUFFAR !

  • Kal-El

    Muslimah,

    You spelled “SHIT” wrong. Dumbass. You are absolutely correct, we did not take the message from allah. We do not condone molesting 9 year old girls, like Pedophile Muhammad claimed allah made halal for him. Nor do we drink the urine from camels, as Muhammad claimed was good to do.

    And yes allah has cursed us kuffars. He cursed us with good hygiene, the ability to drive a car and buckle our kids up, the ability to discuss the fallacies of our own faith without having to cut people’s heads off. Now I am going to go drink a beer and piss on a quran.

    allahu khanzir, ya manyukah :P

  • muslimah

    good hygiene. your dont even wash you ass after taking a dump.. or your mouths for that matter, considering both are full of sh!Tt.. and i will spell it how i want it bastard. the fallacies of your faith… oh the  faith of the shaytan// full of fallacies.. i agree. you think by pissing (auzubillah minashaytaan nirajeem) on the Quran you will achieve anything, or inflict any harm to our Muslim Ummah? whose the dumbass here!!!!!!!!!!! u thick plank , it makes no difference cos the munafiq and mushriq have done far worse, and paid the price. InshaAllah you will too. do what you will at your own risk.

  • Mazkan

    Ok let’s look at this more closley, and analyse this … each and every point.
    There are unfortunately a mass of mis-interpritations about, but when one simply looks for negativity without questioning the wisdom behind the action, now then we have something called “looking for trouble’ ..or more precisley ‘nit-picking’ …

    A faith with almost 2 Billion  followers cannot simply be ruled out either by the words of a few orientalists, or the actions of a few misguided individuals, … so as a human being with reason, let’s analyse this …

    You stated:
    10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
    … If you understand the arabic language, you’ll understand the beauty of this verse. Now, …one of the most prised posessions of a farmer is his field, and he tends to his field, patiently and with care. You need to look into this more deepy, not simply … ‘a women is like a field’ mentality … no no its not as simple as that my friend. Islam also teaches us, “Do not approach your women like the camel approaches the she-camel” …  In the west it’s very common for women to be treated not only as a sex object, but without dignity, care, tenderness or respect …  The verse above is telling men to treat their women kindly with care and tenderness during sex, any scholar will tell you the same, so please…dude, use your head, and think …like the Qur’an asks you to do.

    9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.
    That is reffering to the Husbands responsibility to provide and be the head of his home. In every other respect women are equal. It’s not rocket science, its siple really… If you go to a school, it has a head, if you go to a country it has a head, in-fact, … its only natural that there is authority, but within a careing and equal framework, and Islam gives us this freedom. The degree, is only small but not a qualifying system for men to abuse their women. Don’t get me started on the abusive marriage breakdowns in the west… and career women not having a family ..etc, i think youve opened a can of worms here and you know it…

    8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.
    Everything a women has from wealth, is her own… the man needs to work and earn it. Within an inheritance situation, the women will allready have her own wealth, and the man’s wealth is for his wife too, hence it makes sense, economically to be fair … dude you need to look at the bigger picture here. You are infact no different from terrorists who take specific verses and read them out of context and come to a decision… come on, read the big picture, look into the Islamic financial system and you’ll understand… :)

    7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.
    Only in serious matters like murder, and major major finance related cases. Islamic Shariah makes it easier for our sisters. Have you been to a court, in a major case? its nerve bending at the best of times, so there are usually 2 women there, not one ..so they can confer and assist one another. Wow, in theory, id like that for myself too! .. neat law if you ask me :) and theres way more to Islamic shariah judicprudance law than simply, a women is half etc … lol come on, again, your reading selected lines out of context, and without full knowledge of Shariah law… 

    6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.
    Divorce in Islam is … 3. Once a man divorces his wife, he is allowed to remarry her. If he divorces her 3 times, he cannot remarry her. The divorce system is so perfect and really gives a chance for couples to make ammends. If after the third divorce, (permanent) she marries another man, and then shes divorced from him (after 3) then why would they even get back together? Again, extremely rare, but …its there regardless, and i say again, what a lovely perfect system.

    5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
    Islam was revealed at a time in the arabian peninsula where there were countless depravities. And the term ‘sexual’ here is not intercourse…  again look at the whole thing in context dude … but i’ll not go into one here and show you up … i think we both know the truth.

    4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
    It clearly states that one is better than 4, and even then a true Muslim will out of fear from being unjust, will only take 1… additionally in the arabian peninsula at the time, it was common to have 100 wives … Islam cut it right down. Now, …how about the ‘very common’ practice of extra marital affairs people have? .. or how about the fact that women out-number men .. additionally, all behind backs, and illegally and no protection financially for the women he is cheating with … what about his wife he is cheating on? … ok Islam protcets us with giving an opportunity to marry ‘upto’ 4 .. and even then, its not common and are many many conditions to it … not as easy as you may well think… again, do your research.

    3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.
    That’s not what the verse you quoted is saying! … infact the verse if you ask me, is clearly asking men to be just and not favour one wife over another… errm get your facts right buddy…

    2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
    ‘hit’ lol a very common misconception … women are elevated my friend and that word is ‘hit’ is not what it implies … english is not as powerfull as arabic to explain everything in minute detail here… but if your confusing it with ‘beat’ like what happens to millions of western women every day in ritual marital abuse ..no it dosent mean that, once again taken totally out of context …

    1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.
    Yes … and you have a problem with this? .. they are NOT allowed to have sex until she reaches a mature age, additionally ..please lets not start talking about how common peadophilla is in the west as apposed to the east. Moreover, again out of context … seriously you make me laugh .. you know we need to start going this with the bible or even other general laws of the land and see how you react ..lol with some facts to remind you of …perhaps how more clergy are secretly forcing kids into sex with them than anywhere else in religious world ..dont believe me? …ask the pope.

    Hmmm ok thats it, ive said my piece :)
    peace to everyone!

  • Rudy

    Muslimah,

    You seem to have some sand in your vagina, have I angered thee? I have asked muslim women how they feel. I dated a Syrian girl, who’s father divorced her mother and abandoned them both. Is that islamic emancipation that you keep babbling on about?

    As for us not being muslims, THANK THE ONE TRUE GOD (not your Arabian moon god allah) we are not. We are capable of rational thought and reason, and as such are immediately disqualified. I too will be getting drunk this weekend, however I will not taint my urine by allowing it to come into contact with a quran. If I do die and wind up in hell, I will be sure to say hello to Muhammad, and all your fellow muslims who have blown themselves up in Iraq, Afghanistan, Spain, Morrocco, Russia, England, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Tunisia, Algeria, etc…

    Kal-El,

    Watch your language hahahaha

  • Charles

    Soz, what’s that Muslimah et al…? Hmmm, Quaran and Hadith are swell…Eh?
    After reading this lets play a quick QnA game: Name 1(just one) Muslim controlled country in the entire world, that offers equal rights MORE than the USA, offers more ANYTHING than the USA,  that has contributed to the global society with inventions, cures, technology??? TY…Enough said.

    Quran 4:89: “They (infidels) desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.”
    Quran 8:12: “Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers;”
    Quran 2:191: “… kill the disbelievers wherever we find them …”
    Quran 22:19-22: “… for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods.”
    Quran 8:12: “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.’”
    Quran 8:7: “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”
    Quran 8:59: “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”
    Quran 8:60: “Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them not known to you.”
    Quran 9.29″ “Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.”
    Quran 47:4: “Strike off the heads of the disbelievers” and, after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.”
    Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6985): “Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: ‘The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.’”
    Quran 9:5: “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
    Sura 3:151: “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for that they joined companions with Allah for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrong-doers!”
    Sura 8:60: “Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power including steeds of war to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides whom ye may not know but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you and ye shall not be treated unjustly.”
    Tabari IX:113: “Allah permits you to shut them (women) in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Quran.”
    Tabari I:280: “Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.”
    Ishaq:327: “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
    These quotations are not out of context. They are representative of dozens and dozens of other messages in the Islamic “holy” texts. Clearly, they have inspired the violent and hateful behavior of followers.
    I know there are many peaceful Muslims who view them allegorically rather than literally. Yet, is it outside the bounds of civil public discourse to challenge such statements?
    I think it would be irresponsible to ignore how the Quran instructs its followers.

  • Kal-El

    Charles,

    Muslim countries have perfected the suicide bomb-vest, an innovation we kuffars would never have dreamed up. :P

  • jennyjen

    Well Muslimahahahahahaha at least I don’t have sand in my vagina, maybe you can get that sand to turn into a pearl and you can buy yourself some freedom!  What the fuck, do not talk bad about American men, especially the Southern gentlemen I have the pleasure of being in acquaintance.
    Yes, I love me some BBQ pig, its what we do in the South! Lets see, oh yeah, your people strap bombs on 8 year-old children and send them out to serve Allah-what a crock of shit! Your people stone women to death for being looked at by another man…what, the men in your country aren’t man enough to fight each other so gotta blame it on the woman! Dirty, lazy, worthless, stankin-ass donkey taint cowards is what you have for men over there so be proud!
    Meanwhile, in a hot Arkansas town, I’m gonna let a good ol’ boy bring me a cold beer and a BBQ sandwich!  SNAPS BITCH!!

  • Kafirboy

    Stupid peaceful Muslims need to understand this: we, the people in the US/West, are not interesting in seeing the entire world converted to Islam. We are not interesting in seeing our own children, their children and their children’s children being forced to read the Quran only. We do not consider Islam to be the true religion. We do not consider Islam to be peaceful, tolerant so as long as stupid peaceful Muslims do nothing against their more radical or fundamentalist peers.

    Most of all, we do not wanted our lives or our descendants’ lives to be dictated solely by the Quran in accordance.

    GOT IT, MUSLIMS?!

  • Charles

    Now now, don’t forget the upright Islamos that strap em onto
    mentally retarded men/women/children as well…Don’t take my
    word for it, let’s take a look at Saudi Arabias textbooks, shall we?
    Here’s but a few excerpts :) No they aren’t madeup or jokes, they
    are actual….

    1st Grade
    “Fill in the blanks with the appropriate words—(Islam, hellfire)
    ‘Every religion other than ____ is false. Whoever dies outside of Islam enters ____.’”
    5th Grade
    “A Muslim is forbidden to love and aid the unbelieving enemies of God….”

    “Which of the following should you love in God, and which of them should you hate in God?
    Example: One of your relatives who does not pray, does not fast, and does not worship God.
    Answer: I hate him in God.”

    “Just as Muslims were successful in the past when they came together in a sincere effort to evict the Christian crusaders from Palestine, so will Muslims and Arabs emerge victorious, God willing, against the Jews and their allies if they stand together and fight a true jihad for God….”

    8th Grade
    “Lesson Goals: 1) The student notes some of the Jews condemnable qualities….”

    “God told his Prophet, Mohammed, about the Jews, who learned from part of God’s book that God alone is worthy of worship. Despite this, they espouse falsehood through idol worship, soothsaying and sorcery. In doing so, they obey the devil…”

    “God told his Prophet Mohammed: say to those who cast aspersions on your religion: has anyone told you who will receive the harshest punishment from God on the Day of Resurrection? They are the Jews, whom God has cursed and with whom he is so angry that he will never again be satisfied. Some of the people of the Sabbath were punished by being turned into apes and swine. Some of them were made to worship the devil…”

    “God punished the Jews in several ways for their unbelief and error. Explain the ways….”

    9th Grade
    “The prophet said, ‘The hour [of judgment] will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, until the Jew hides behind rocks and trees, until the rocks or the trees say, ‘O Muslim! O servant of God! There is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him’….”

    “(1) It is part of God’s wisdom that the struggle between the Muslims and the Jews should continue until the hour of judgment. (2) The good news for Muslims is that God will help them against the Jews in the end, which is one of the signs of the hour of judgment….”

    10th Grade
    “Basic Elements of Zionist Faith:
    The Jews are God’s chosen people and the souls of the tribe of Israel are a part of God. Other souls are Satanic souls that are like the souls of animals.
    The world belongs to the Israeli. It is his right to rule and he has sovereignty over the world in his capacity as God’s chosen people above all humankind….”

    “How the Zionists Achieve their Goals:
    Sedition, ruses, and conspiracy theories throughout history…. The First World War: the Jews played a role in starting it….
    Attempting to inundate peoples with vice and rampant prostitution…. They manage bars in Europe and America, as well as in Israel itself.
    Gaining control over literature and the arts; spreading degenerate pornographic literature, and encouraging perverted trends in literature, thought and art.
    Gaining control over the film industry in the Western world and elsewhere.
    Fraud, bribery, theft, and swindles.”

    “Homosexuality is one of the most disgusting sins and greatest crimes…. It is a vile perversion that goes against sound nature, and is one of the most corrupting and hideous sins…. The punishment for homosexuality is death. Both the active and passive participants are to be killed whether or not they have previously had sexual intercourse in the context of a legal marriage…. Some of the companions of the Prophet stated that [the perpetrator] is to be burned with fire. It has also been said that he should be stoned, or thrown from a high place.”

    11th Grade
    “The Prophet said, ‘Do not greet Jews and Christians with the words ‘Peace be upon you.’ If you come upon one of them on the road, force him to the narrower part.’”
    =-=-=-=-=-
    Me: PHEW! Everyone, it’s ok now…As you can see, we are all just
    hatin on Islamos…That in fact were are crazy, it’s a religion of peace.
    I know you all(especially you jews and christians) will sleep better
    after reading this, knowing we’re safe from them. Wow, I’m sure glad
    that’s behind us….NOT!

  • Jillia

    Hi Rudy and all of you other intelligent protectionists!
    First let me say – Good job. lol. Secondly, I must recommend to you a book called  ‘Slave – My True Story’ by Mende Nazer.  Yes, I know – it’s only one book and I’ve read so many like this as I’m sure you have – but I gain so much more incite when you read from inside – and in this case this woman was a Muslim, but the difference, that no one will tell you about – is the reason that Muslims are killing other Muslims in the Sudan and other countries in Africa. BTW…Islam is killing NATIVE BLACK AFRICANS -which is their land – NOT ISLAMS LAND. The reason they are killing other Muslims is simple – because those Muslims being slaughtered (genocide) are not Muslim enough. In fact, they are kind people and except for a few prayers – and except for female genital mutilation (yes, awful) – they are nothing like Muslims. So of course, Islam has to do what they do naturally – kill them.  The black NATIVE Africans are very different then Muslims – they are warm, intelligent and loving people.  Anyway, back to this book – I think it’s an important read because up until reading this book, I felt that those African tribes were basically ignorant – and not in an ugly way, but ignorant. However, although they have never seen a street lamp, a moving car and other modern things – they are very intelligent and very modern when it comes to loving and caring for people and of course their own people. What does all of this have to do with this topic?  If you had any confusion whatsoever about the genocide of Africans in the Sudan and other places – you will finally understand completely. You’ll understand, on a deeper level – how different they are from Muslims.  The book made me cry for many days – it was about a very young girl named Mende, from the Nuba Mountains – who was stolen after yet another bloody raid by Muslims – a Muslim ring out to steal little boys and girls, to make them domestic slaves, sex slaves and god only know what else. By the way, the head of the ring was a Relgious Muslim. (no surprise there) Poor Mende – like thousands of other little girls and boys (and adults too), was a prisoner in a Muslim household for over 10 years where she was beaten, raped, starved and even told that because she was black – that she wasn’t a Muslim and wasn’t allowed to pray and was even beaten for that.

    Now something important:  We need to create a civilian army to teach, train, practice, and arm ourselves for any coming trouble with Islam. I like to call it a protectionist army.   Some may want to learn and practice weapons, some may want to do administrative or other work – however, it’s so important. I’m ready to now contact all my other groups and I might even write an article. If you’re interested in joining or leading please let me know.
    As far as these Muslim sickos on the this thread – they’re AIDS count is up 300 percent.  Seems that God takes care of those that kill innocents, rape, lie, steal and kill and abuse all others.

  • Frances

    Muslimah

    Oh please, Infidels use the lavatory, not a dump to answer the calls of nature. Certainly, the infidels don’t need lectures on personal hygiene from those who are well known for using their bare hands to clean their bottoms after using the lavatory.

  • Frances

    Mazkan,
    “A faith with almost 2 billion followers…”
    The bigger the con, the greater the deception and the greater the possibility that it will sell, by sheer virtue of its appeal to the herd instinct inherent in mankind. Every con merchant that ever walked the face of the earth, knew that much. The number of followers has nothing to do with credibility or lack thereof in the faith.

    10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into the field.
    I fail to see the beauty be it in Arabic or otherwise, on debasing the intimate relations between a husband and wife to the level of agriculture. But that pales, by comparison to the disgraceful attempt to move from the human realm into bestiality by equating such intimacies with that of the camels.

    It is utterly futile to even attempt to compare the treatment and conditions of women in the West to that of the treatment of women in the Muslim world. There is just no comparison, no more than there is a comparison between the laws of the infidel and that of Sharia. The facts speaks for themselves!

    9. Husbands are a degree above their wives

    Women do not need a man, of any degree to look after them, as they are well able to look after themselves and be responsible for their own families! Career women, in particular, are generally very successful both in the business and family world and this is down to their aptitude for hard work as well as their capabilities.

    7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man testimony:

    There is no “neat” way around this, unless of course, the requirement be made that a women gives ½ a testimony. Hopeless! Anyway, since when did the testimony of two defective women become equivalent to that of one man? Ten, even a hundred defectives, would do no more than compound and multiply the defect.

    5. Slave girls are the sexual property of their male owners

    “The term sexual does not mean intercourse” Really, try spinning it, the other way around, so that you may get it “in context” and the truth will show up somewhere in between.

    4. A man can be polygamous with up to four wives.

    “Before, Islam it was common to have 100 wives”. But, now it is very common to have four wives for the price of one. Extra marital affairs are not recognized by infidel law nor do they fall within the orthodoxy of any of the main religions. In addition, extra marital affairs are not for the men only, women can also avail themselves of the opportunity, if they so wish. Neither are such affairs tolerated within the sphere of the marital home, unlike polygamy. Infidel women have equal rights and the same opportunities as men and as such, do not need a man for the purpose of looking after them financially. That would be akin to legalised prostitution.

    3. A husband may simply get rid of his undesirable wives.

    “Clearly asking men to be just and not favor one wife over another” This has to be the limit in debauchery! Fancy, all the women running around like headless chickens, competing with one another, lined up waiting in turn to get the plonker’s attention. Without doubt, that would make him feel better and more cocky than any rooster in a hen house. The should be no favors whatsoever other than to quickly send the Mummy’s boy packing, all the way back to his mama where he belongs, with his tail between his legs. Followed by a bill for all their trouble in ridding themselves of A Mummy’s Boy. By golly, wouldn’t that be a nice little earner!

    2. A husband may hit his highhanded wives,

    “Hit is a misconception”, to put it in plain, simple English, any man who hits a woman, any woman, least of all his wife or sister or daughter or child is not a man, but an animal! Under the law of the infidel, unlike Sharia, whether a hit is a bit or a light bit of a hit, whether beaten with a whip or a tooth pick, no words, however divine are allowed to justify it. I am very pleased to announce, that there are no misconceptions with respect to the consequences; just hefty prison sentences.

    1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls “have a problem with that”

    Yes there is a problem with that, normal, grown men or adults have no interest engaging with underage children in marriage, be it sexless or otherwise. Individuals with such needs are universally, classified as paedophiles. In addition, to their mental & psychological defects, paedophiles are also known to have problems when it comes to adequacy, at the south end of their belly buttons. Hence their need to dominate the inexperienced and vulnerable, such as underage girls and children.

    I assume by clergy, you mean the catholic priests. All those responsible were held criminally liable for their actions and their victims duly compensated. Furthermore, unlike Islam, their actions were outside the orthodoxy of Christianity as opposed to being sanctioned by it, and they certainly were not following the example of Jesus Christ. So please, do not use cultural relativity and the cover of your so called religion to promote paedophilia, violence, misogyny and women/child abuse. It is more than just offensive, it is plain criminal and that is very much how it is straight across the civilized world from East to West!

  • jennyjen

    Someone put 2 up on the scoreboard for Frances!!!

  • Rudy

    A faith with almost 2 billion followers? Since when is 1.09 billion ALMOST 2 billion? Must be some sort of taqiyya math I am not aware of…

    Frances,

    If I were a ref, I’d be calling the fight on account of your opponent no longer able to stand upright (their argument in this case):D

  • Jillia

    This is an open question to everyone on this board.  Who wants to discuss a legal – protection type army for citizens of the US – and later the world??  We are way overdue.  I’ll start a chapter in Florida.  Rudy?

  • Dan

    I’m sorry to but in but some of the things i am reading here are disgusting.

    Pure baseless racism and hatred, i am hearing people talking about what “you people” are doing, and “your kind” just as the KKK and national front are saying.

    People saying “lets list the countries that muslims have bombed compared to the US”, as Muslims are not a country, maybe it would be fairer to list the countries bombed by christian nations instead, making the list a hell of a lot longer.

    As a scholar of religious text i can say that these quotes on the post are completely out of context, the ploughing one is not about “ploughing your wife” but about treating her in the way that you are expected to treat the earth, not to abuse it and use as you will, and the others are completely misread, from the classic western “orientalism” approach which looks at everyone else as backwards.

    you can take any religious text out of context and use it, just as priests calling for the killing of native americans and even later calling for the killing of black people as not equals, but the target in the modern world is Islam.

    I will not post more, but want to point out (as an englishman who studies such things without ignorance or anti-islamic biases) that some of you here are disgusting me, and calling other humans worthless and lesser.

  • lester

    To be fair; perhaps womaen should read The Old Testament; Leviticus 12-27 for 10 quotes they should know; a woman is woth only abot 40%-50% of the worht of a man, or L18:19 – thous shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness or L20:10…that committeht adultery, the adulterer AND adulteress shall surely be put to death or L21:7 a widow, or a divorced woman or profane or a harlot these sahll a man not take but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife or L21 if a daughter profane herself by playing the whore she shall be burnt with fire.  I don’t know about you, but I find this disturbing and in “direct contrast with everything that Western civilization stands for when it comes to the rights of women.”

  • Dan

    i said i wouldn’t post again… but you reminded me…


    33: …As in all the churches of the saints, 34: the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. 35: If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home, For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.  (1 Corinthians 14)

    “And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.” (Leviticus 21:9)
    “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” (I Corinthians 11:3)
    “For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.” (I Corinthians 11:8-9)
    “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.” (Exodus 22:18-20)
    The last one was especially good, as you have just said how Islam does not accept other faiths, this orders them to kill witches and anyone that is with them!

     

  • Charles

    Dan you make me snicker…You’re equating sillyness…Your
    intelligence or I should your belief in your own BS is funny.

    Ask Nick Berg if he thinks Muslims are good peeps…Oh
    wait, ya can’t…He doesn’t have a head.  Stop arguing stuff
    with the Inquisitions, it shows your ignorance. You haven’t
    but with what I am about to say, you would try…..

    Scholar lol, that means you got a piece of paper, and?

    I don’t see jews or christians blowing up cafes or busses
    with women n children in them…They also do not
    hijack planes or crash them into buildings. They also
    do not threaten Muslim nations with destruction,
    daily…Honestly, cut the crap. Don’t post on here that
    it’s a god da*ned religion of piece, it’s not.  And if you
    believe that, go to Iran wearing a Star of David and see
    what happens….Go to ANY Muslim run country and
    kiss a man or non-married woman in the streets and
    see what happens…You self-absorbed intellectuals are
    the downfall of mankind if anyone listens to you!

  • jennyjen

    Ok Dan and Lester, yes that is in the Old Testament and guess what!?!?! Thats where that crap stays! I am a Christian but I do not follow the bible word for word, that would make me a fundamentalist and if there is anything in this world that I am not, it is that!
    The majority of Christians do not follow the teachings of Leviticus, or the rest of the Old Testament for that matter because it is archeaic. The Old Testament God is a fearful God, in the New Testament, he sprinkles us with forgiveness and sunshine…all due to the birth and death of his only Son. Allah never had a son to my knowledge, if he did, it was with a whore camel. Muhammed taught destruction, rape and  ”convert or die” methods. The main difference between Christianity and Islam…Christians have made it out of the 7th century and evolved into a better people.

  • Frances

    Dan 18/07/08
    Muslims are not covered by the provisions of the Race Relations legislation so your claim for racism is indeed baseless for want of jurisdiction To get it into context, one has to wonder, if your resort to such measures are for want of a better, counter argument or just another means to intimidate and silence anyone who dare express a view contrary to your own? If the latter, then that is fascism and a more suitable comparator for the mindset of the National Front and KKK.
    I have not noticed any views expressed here or anywhere else, calling for; or inciting; the subjugation, violence, or death of men, women and children, be they Muslim or otherwise. On the contrary, it would seem, that the said views, however expressed, are vigorously opposed to oppression, violence, human rights abuses and ignorance, irrespective of race, gender, age, religion etc, etc. But, then, this is not about racism, but rather your problem with freedoms in general and freedom of speech, in particular. As such, your claim, however baseless, is no more than an assault on that particular freedom.
    Finally, if you don’t like what is being said, you are still free not to read it. Spare, your hatred and disgust for our democratic freedoms, in particular, freedom of speech without which, I have to tell you now, no other freedom would be remotely possible!

    Lester and Dan

    Nowadays, as opposed to biblical times, the Old Testament is interpreted according to its spirit as opposed to its letter. Accordingly, you will not hear of any Rabbi, or Christian cleric using it  to promote violence and indignities against women or any other form of human rights abuses. As such, the verses you have given are no longer of any relevance. That is the difference between the Old Testament and the Koran particularly when it comes to women rights or lack thereof.

  • Charles

    It’s simple really, the Jewish Torah and the Christian
    Bible have been revised since written, the Quaran has
    not, it’s still back 1000′s of years ago. For Gods Sake,
    even Arkansas has upped finally the age of consent!

  • Mary

    Wow, I smell ignorant people. Can somebody take those kind of people back to kindergarden?

    Really, what’s the point of judging something that you ACTUALLY don’t know the real purpose of it? Sounds like somebody’s got pessimistic brain. That is, a fact—ha, I ain’t judging because for really, you are doing it. Totally a fact, obviously. Insulting, criticizing, and making others look bad. I think you’re picky as well and who’ve been teaching you to do that? I think you’ve done a really bad job and that’s really sad.

    Annnnd, you should know that not ALL same certain persons are similar. Do you really think that they ALL are the same? Let’s say that this white girl that you’ve met for the first time that you never actually met a white person before and she tells you a secret… she cheated on her boyfriend and admits that she’s a tramp. So, what would you do, huh?

    Thinking ALL white girls cheat on their boyfriends and they are tramps too? Ha, that’s funny. Not true, right? Because ALL of them ain’t the same.

    So, QUIT BEING CHILDISH and GROW UP!

  • Frances

    Mary  according to your logic;

    “ A white girl who cheats on her boyfriend is a tramp
    but  that does  not necessarily mean that all white girls are tramps”!

    It is quite obvious, from your reasoning that you have spent too long in the kindergarten or madrassa.  Get a life and go find yourself a boyfriend or two and forget about the cheating.

  • Tonto (USA)

    I must be a dumbass or something.  If islame is so great, why are the people that LEAVE islam threatened with death?  Why do islamic countries forbid the import of Christian Bibles?  Why are people that are not islaminazis forbidden to mention anything about their religion in islamifascist countries under pain of imprisonment and/or death?  Something seems a bit skewed here.  By the way, I spit on islam, it’s false prophet and it’s moon-godd allah.  
    By the way, why do muslim women need to protect themselves from the gaze of non-family members?  You must have a real important “sexual repression” problem going on over there.

  • Charles

    Mary, lol! You do realize you interjected RACE into this conversation?
    And guess what? You’re a liberal, I’m shocked, really. If a white girl
    was a god da*ned muslim wearing a friggin trench coat in the middle
    of August in Arizona, and it was bulky….I’d say take her arse down
    she’s up to no good. So screw your race baiting bullshit. Jerry Springer
    whores aren’t blowing up kids on busses you POS….

  • jennyjen

    Mary, I heard an Islam Cleric tell the people of Pakistan that Allah will not be happy until we stand upon the White House…and the assholes cheered.  Now from that I deduce that these people have nothing but ill will towards my country and my people and that does not sit well with me…hell, it pisses me off!
    The purpose of Islam is to take over the world and establish its caliphate. My goal is to stop the sorry SOB’s and anyone supporting their bullshit!  This is God’s Country, not allah’s!

  • Kal-El

    Dan,

    we disgust you? Stop being such a pussy, what disgusts me is muslim whackos cutting off people’s heads because they are Jewish or Christian. What disgusts me are muslims who strap bombs on little kids or mentally handicapped women and detonate them via remote. What disgusts me is the rampant pedophelia SANCTIONED by islam. If those things do not disgust you, but reading our writings do, you are likely one of two things. A complete and utter asshole, or a muslim.
    Mary,
    That stink is your upper lip. I suggest washing your face more often, and not sticking your head up your ass. Might help with the smell
  • Charles

    Props to Kal-El for hitting it….

  • Frances

    Charles

    The race issue is only a small part of the story.

    When Mary threw in the example of this “cheating tramp of a white girl” she targeted young women who engage in normal relationships with the opposite sex. Of course, any other example would have done without making a reference to gender or age. For the sake of simplicity, she could have used crows and turned out a bird of a different color for a story:

    “ All crows are black but that does not necessarily mean that all blackbirds are crows”

    But nooooo, there was none of that.

    The example she gave, was a dead giveaway as to the mindset at work. The same defunct, moralist, racist, sexist, ageist mindset who sees nothing wrong in marrying off their underage daughters condemning them to a life of drudgery rather than afford them the opportunity to develop their potential as a human beings. Who are not too troubled or the least bit outraged when a young woman is condemned to death or torture, either by; lashing, stoning, hanging or merely hacked to death, by her immediate family in the name of their so called honour, Sharia style!

  • jennyjen

    Oh I get it Frances…it’s like “all terrorists are Muslims but not all Muslims are terrorist” hahaha!!! Sorry I had to do it…what happened to Muslimah? Did she finally generate her pearl LMAO!!!

  • julius

    Long live John Lennon,Imagine all the people living as one,No religion,No country.

  • Kal-El

    John Lennon was a drug abusing moron who was killed by his own fans. He blasphemed Jesus, and got his chickens came home to roost.

  • jennyjen

    Yeah Julius, Imagine, that’s all anyone can do because the powers that be will never let that happen. There cannot be peace without war, cannot have wealth without poverty, its a yin and yang thing…I’m sure you understand.

    Kal-El, dude!!! Ease up on John Lennon, WTF? He’s one of the greatest singer/songwriters to ever live!

  • Charles

    Kal-El hit the Lennon thing dead on…
    =-
    In the history of our planet, name one peace that was
    EVER achieved by peaceful means….

    Tyrants and Bullies understand only one thing,
    brute force. I don’t honestly care if anyone
    agrees with it, because it is a fact. Iran will not
    relent until they have nukes and then will more
    than likely go after Israel in which case drag
    us into a possible nuke confrontation.

    The Mad Mullahs need to be snipped, Islam
    needs to be squashed and terrorists need
    to understand that to do terror, we will inflict
    terror on them 10-fold. 

    Whine away about the religion of piece, but
    it understood not to touch our soil for the
    last 7 years, BECAUSE of Afghanistan and
    Iraq.

    Hate GWB or Like em, doesn’t negate the
    fact that when that man tells a foreign
    tyrant “be out of Baghdad in 48hrs or we
    are rolling into,” we’ve since learned GWB
    DID roll the damn tanks and military in
    and enough is enough.  Screw the Mullahs
    and all the crackpots in the Middle East,
    if they chant hate, bomb em.

  • Kal-El

    Jennyjen,

    He was a talented musician, and I love “Yellow Subarine”, but he WAS a druggie. He was a fool (did he not proclaim “We’re bigger than Jesus!”?) and he did sell out the Beatles for Yoko Ono…
  • jennyjen

    Kal-El, I didn’t say the man was always right…everyone says something stupid every now and again. And yes Yoko Ono had him by the balls in the end but you admit that he was a talented musician and was part of the foundation of music as we know it. So was Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Bob Marley, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, well I could go on for days….they all did drugs and you say it like its a bad thing LOL!

    And Charles, thank you for reinforcing my “no peace without war” statement. I hate that liberal crap about peace should be obtained in peaceful ways…that’s a wonderful idea but thats all it will ever be! Violence and the almighty Dollar or Euro, wherever you’re from; well that makes the world go ’round.

  • Kal-El

    Jennyjen,

    Drugs aren’t bad???? Then why is everyone on that list dead? :p
  • Charles

    Hmm, not sure let’s ask Janis Joplin or Hendrix
    their opinions on the matter…Oh wait, my bad.
    Well then there’s Bon Scott…Whoops, my bad.
    Hmm, well surely Tommy Bolin from Deep Purple
    will know…Er wait, my bad again. Hmm, let’s us
    ponder and ask Pete Fardon from the Pretenders..
    Dammit, all OD’d…AND dead. Hmmm. Gregory  Herbert
    of Blood, Sweat and Tears, or James Scott of Pretenders
    or Shannon Hoon of Blind Melon, Phil Lynott of Thin
    Lizzy…Well I could go on, but yea yer right…ALL OD’s..
    Well now that’s not true, Bon died suffocating on his own
    puke from being blind stinking drunk and was replaced
    as lead singer for AC/DC by Brian Johnson.

  • jennyjen

    Kal-El and Charles, perhaps you didn’t notice my sarcasm in my previous statement, I thought the “LOL” would give it away. Jimi and Bon both died from choking on thier own puke, a horrible fate for a person of fame as well as a homeless man.
    Are you getting my point now……hope so, I gotta blunt to smoke and a race to watch.

  • Kal-El

    I noticed ;) That is why I stuck my tounge out at you :P We need to come up with a name for their band. How about the Dead Ingrates? :D

  • Kal-El

    Charles, How about we ask some professional athletes, like Curt Hennig (Mr Perfect)… ummm wait, how about Eddie Guerrero… crap, maybe Chris Benoit? :P

  • Charles

    Loved Curt! My fiance’ found a website once that
    listed every person from Wrestling and how they
    died, it was quite sad really. Miss Elizabeth!

  • Charles

    Sounds good! I get sick to my stomach
    seeing lil peeps whining and crying over
    artists that OD, suicide, etc…It’s silly. I love
    most forms of music, but I don’t mourn for
    Cobain, 2-Pac, Biggie, or anyone that does
    crap…You preach violence and live that life
    then it’s not a big shocker when you die by
    it. Love 2-Pac and B.I.G, but talked the talk
    and died it. Game over. In fairness to Cobain
    he WAS married to Courtney Love…That should
    be enough said on his choice.

  • jennyjen

    The Dead Ingrates, LOL!!

    It’s just horrible that people feel that there is no other solution to life’s problems than dying, I mean c’mon wtf? Life is hard but the alternative sucks…unless you’re a Jihadist…then you get 72 virgins (they come equipped with Playstation 3′s, hot pockets and stridex pads LMAO!)

  • Olivia

    I looked up every one of these “verses” in my Qur’an, and the majority of them are not actual verses. Don’t believe me? Look it up yourself.

  • julius

    I wonder what the quran says about lesbions and transgendered folks?

  • Kal-El

    Olivia,

    Do you own a quran written in Arabic, or a sanitized, watered-down English version? I have looked them up, in Arabic, and they are there. You are either being naive and deceived, or are an outright liar.

  • Kal-El

    Jennyjen,

    We can make t-shirts of all the dead celebretards (DEAD INGRATES), and draw little a black “x” over each one of their eyes :D

    Hold on a sec… The virgins come with PS3’s and hot pockets?!?!?!? DUDE!! Sign me up for the jihad!!!! :P

  • jennyjen

    Points on the board to Kal-El…Olivia is on the mat!

    We should have a tee for every dead celebretard so we can piss everyone off! Is it too soon for Heath Ledger!?!? I know its all good on the crocodile hunter, what a tard…you know there was some pissed off crocodiles that damn stingray got him before they did! I’m makin that shirt tonite! :)

  • Kal-El

    ROFL @ points on the board. While I enjoyed Ledger’s last performance, he took himself out of the gene pool, through negligence. Steve Irwin died doing what he loved, and while I did crack up at that joke, I still respect him because he never had any negative press, except that time the media tried to manufacture scandal around him regarding his baby and a croc… :)

    You make those shirts, I want royalties, it’s my idea!!! IAC comments are my proof of copyright!! :P

  • Charles

    Let’s see, what does it say…Well, they get
    executed in Islamic countries…What do YOU
    think it says?

  • Charles

    Which verses Olivia? Cause if you are referring
    to any I have posted, then yours is clearly
    a false copy.

  • Kal-El

    Charles,

    I think you just scored the pinfall :D

  • jennyjen

    @ Julius, the koran doesn’t even recognize the transgender folks and gays…Remember the visit from President “Imadamnnutjob” at Columbia University, he says there are no gays or transgenders in Iran. If they are there and they “come out of the closet” they will only end up dead. Beheaded would be the preferred method of the Iranians but they could get creative…

    Kal-El, don’t worry, you’ll get your royalties haha!!! :)

  • Dan

    just replying to some things that Charles and jen posted earlier in the month

    1) JenJen (and Technically Frances also as he stated something similar) -” Ok Dan and Lester, yes that is in the Old Testament and guess what!?!?! Thats where that crap stays!”
    The book of Corinthians is the writings of Paul, the founder of Christianity in the New, not old Testament. Surely to be a Christian the writings of the bible are to be upheld above all. Many christians still take the word of the Bible and the teachings of Jesus and the works of Paul to be the way the truth and the light. surely this is what following a faith is about.
    And also JenJen, on the 21st you seemed shocked that a Pakistani Imam said that Muslims should burn down the white house, are you not equally shocked that there are Ministers with TV shows in America that say that “America was created to wipe Islam off the Map” and even that “The bible states that the holocaust was to be the Punishment of the Jews for not following Christ.” There are Ranting extremists in all religions I garuntee, such as the IRA, who killed many and blew up innocents near to my home, last time i checked those people blowing up Ireland and London were not Muslims.

    And Charles. On the 18th of July you said “go to Iran wearing a Star of David and seewhat happens….” Just checking, you do know that iran has a Large Muslim Population right? They make a point of Distinguishing between Jews and Zionists, it is something the country is Proud of. Dr Alan bennett even wrote a brilliant Article on it for Reform Judaism journals. There are around 25,000 Jews in Iran, all of which openly go to Synagogue and an practice their religion in peace.  When the Ayatollah came out of exile in 1979 he made an announcement about them not being Zionists. The Jews in Iran are very proud of being Iranian, even under Ahmadinejalad, as they know that he does not think of them as enemies of the country, even though Israeli and American jews are trying to make them move to Isrsael (which has been met with Hostility by the Jews in Iran)

  • Charles

    Dan…Yer a scream, bro!! So, whenever the hitler of iran
    says “kill all the jews” he actually just means Zionists..
    Funny you should mention that word, usually only the
    mullahs and terrorists say it. Proud? I miss seeing them
    anywhere, where is their pride? The homosexuals are
    proud in the USA, and march showing it in parades…
    How come the PROUD iranian jews don’t march shouting
    “All Hail our Hitler!!” Odd, you’d think they would being
    as proud as you claim they are. Exile? Ah, you mean when
    the Peanut Jimmy Carter sold out the Shah, ok. Make them
    move, quote a non-liberal un-biased source for that entire
    paragraph…Don’t waste time with NYT or any other POS
    supposed news source….If they gush over Obama, it’s
    not a legit news source….

    You are a true liberal tho bro, you’re sneaky…Attempting
    to compare a handful of whackjobs in the Christian faith
    to Mullahs and Islamofacists…Cute. Question for ya stud:
    In the wacky christian rant, that would be OPINION and
    NOT fact, since nowhere in the bible does it say what is
    claimed…However, Imams QUOTE THE DAMN QUARAN
    and are NOT interpreting it unlike liberals saying they
    are….Buy a damn Quaran and read the thing…

    I’d like to point out to you Dan, that you just said that
    Christs teachings are to be followed by Christians and
    “surely this is what following a faith is about.”

    Ok, so Jesus said there is no cause for divorce save
    fornication. So let’s start a campaign to get rid of
    No Fault Divorce in all states, Dan. Then Dan you
    might actually want to READ Matthew a few times
    to fully understand Christ….Then g’head for shits
    n giggles skip to Revelations…Which too is Jesus.
    Cept then it’s the firey sword and he’s really pissed
    off….

  • Dan

    Charles, as he ever actually said to kill the Jews? No.
    I certainly know that in the Farsi he has never said to kill the Jews, the closest thing he has said is that “soon the occupiers of Jerusalem will we wiped off the face of time” but never anything about killing all Jews.
    Secondly the news sources I use are Generally the ones that spend money on Journalism, not flashy title sequences and the hairstyles of their presenters, and also my own experiences in going to Tehran and talking to a Rabbi there whilst on the Bus, because before that point I believed that tere wasn’t a largew Jewish population in Iran.
    And I assure you Charles that I have read matthew too many times, as i said before it is part of my Job. The small number of Right Wing christians that you said about unfortunately do have the ear of people such as John McMain and Obama, as McCain actually called Pastor Rob Parsley a “Moral and Spiritual compass” (Not sure if he has denounced him yet…think not) and Hagee also, the one that Quotes the bible and uses it to claim HaShoah as rightful. If that isn’t using religion to terrorise a people, i don’t know what is.

  • jennyjen

    @ Dan, I said it in the earlier post…Christianity has evolved and developed along with the rest of the world…Islam not only hasn’t, but pretty much refuses.  I am not a fundamentalist and most the world’s Christians are not- Charles called you out on your liberal bullshit and I will leave that alone.
    The bible was written in a time when women were oppressed, not only that but it has been translated how many times….exactly! And who did the translation…white men. Im sure you noticed Jesus is described as having “hair like wool” yet in every white church…he has blue eyes and wavy light brown hair. Yes I am white, I am from the South, but I know shit when I smell it. I’m actually quite surprised that Mary Magdaline didn’t get transformed to “Mark Magdaline” when the Catholic Church translated the bible.
    Trust me Dan, I am not surprised by their cheering…I know the assholes have nothing but hate for me and my brothers and sisters Infidels. They will come at us anyway they can and they feel they are right and justified in these actions. Which is why I will feel right and justified in my action of “bustin a cap in they ass”, being totally rude to any Muslim that looks at me funny and I may just run out onto Main Street here in Jonesboro and scream at the top of my lungs…”Muhummad was a Pedophile!!!!” Just to see if I can stir up some shit because that is my right as an American!
    Maybe America was created to wipe Islam off the map? The first settlers wanted freedom to practice the religion of their choice…that’s not too savvy to the  teachings of Islam, is it?
    And I have never read anything in the bible about the Holocaust, someone’s getting smoke blown up their ass! At least the person who said that actually admits that the Holocaust was an event in history…unlike Islamic leaders who say it’s a big lie perpetrated by Jews! How can you deny the Holocaust…it’s like denying 9/11, oh wait..they do that too.
    Defending Islam to me is a waste of your time…take up hemp-twisting or something.

  • P.J.

    I have read most of your comments. y.k & Matt. love your work. Peace, love 
    & happiness, to all. I’m in a cyberspace relationship that started 3yrs. ago as a friendship & in the last months has become serious. He is Islam muslim from Egypt. I am Australian born of northern european ancestry, lutheran. I’ve been studyin his religion & he has told me of his beliefs. We’ve been cam chatting for a very long time & know eachothers thoughts & body language. Which helpsos his english isnt always the best & I dont know how hard it will be to learn Arabic, start my course in arabic tomorrow. I have read many books about egypt more so about islam & muslim. Am currently about to read George Negus the world from Islam. George Negus is one of Australias most respected journalists & has possitive influence & integrity. Unlike the Americans. Alot of us Aussies think American are full of shit & brainwashed to be that way. Not that they are to be blamed. We feel sorry for their stupidity &  believe that their government is to blame. I have been doing my own research on the Islam & Muslim, culture & beliefs. I am inspired to convert, at this stage. I was also,  brought up with the influence of my grandfathers teachings for the Church of Christ. I turned away from religion & found that I am scientific in thinking in some respects. I dont wish to waste my life worrying about what will happen to me when I die. On the other hand I dont want to go to hell if there is one. I am primarily considered a good person with a kind heart. I have two very inderpendant yet respectful & loving children. I teach them by example that the ten commandments is a great thing to live by. To do what you like, as long as you dont hurt anyone. To enjoy love, peace, happiness, respect & selfworth. I believe also believe in Karmic laws & Budism is a great way of life, too. Guess i’m multi relgious as well as multicultural, lol. Until now would not have considered converting to Muslim. Having read what i have & the experiences I’ve had with other religions (I went to a private Catholic girls school for my formal education). I believe that Muslim is the one that most suits me. To make sure & to satisfy my own couriosity i am going to Egpyt soon to find out for myself the truth about Islam Muslims. I can’t believe the media hype. Esp. the Americans who are paid to decieve their own people. & maybe fall in love. There may just be a follow up to those interested….        

  • Kal-El

    PJ,

     You wish to convert to islam, that is your choice. Speaking of brainwashed, why is it you call Americans that, yet it is MILLIONS of muslims that celebrate their fellow muslims who blow themselves up in crowded markets, rape wantonly because kuffar women are not covered from head to toe-blaming the women for their lack of self control- in an abbayat and niqab, in muslim countries, Europe, and even in Oz? How often have you seen Americans holding rallies chanting “DEATH TO ISLAM!”? You haven’t and you never will. Yet it’s funny, I have been in Lebanon, at hezbollah rallies, where the muslims chant death to America. I have seen live video of identical rallies in Pakistan and Gaza as well. 
    You think you are special because you fell in love wit an Egyptian muslim? Big deal, but I find it funny you have to point that out, as if that somehow makes islam good, and erases all the evil it has caused in the last 1430 years. Ask your paramour how he feels when a Coptic Christian Egyptian is beaten to death, by his fellow Egyptian muslims. Ask him how he feels when Palestinians train their children in summer camp, on launching rockets, so when they are old enough all they have to do is aim for Sderot and fire. Ask him how he feels when a muslim tries to blow up an airplane, in the name of islam, or when a muslim succeds in blowing up a train-station. 
     FYI, no one in the States gives a damn what Aussies think, regarding that so-called brainwashing. You call yourself scientific, so why convert to islam? Oh yeah, because your paramour’s faith DEMANDS you submit, in order to marry him. You want to talk about brainwashed? How about someone who WILLINGLY drives a truck filled with explosives into a checkpoint, killing dozens of civilians, to get at TWO soldiers, be they US or Iraqi? How about the muslimah’s who tell their son’s “if you will not be shaheed, I disown you.” 
    You mention the Ten Commandments, saying they are a great thing to live by. Just so you know, islam has no such ideaology. In fact, islamic ideaology is about as close to the exact opposite as can be. They follow pedophile muhammad, robber, murderer, rapist, and liar. Does that mean you see nothing wrong with molesting a 9 year old girl? Does that mean you see nothing with impaling an old lady because she refuses to submit to you? Does that mean you have no problem with slavery? Does that mean you have no qualms about daughters being sold into marriage? Will you be receptive if/when your man tells you he wants a second, a third, maybe even a fourth wife? After all, allah has made that halal for muslims. 
    You want to avoid an eternity in hell (if there is one, as you so scientifically ask)? Don’t convert, pray to God for forgiveness for thinking of something so ludicrous. I feel sorry for your ignorance of what islam really is. But,yalla, come live here, see how it is. How you are inspired to convert by studying a culture that celebrates suicide, killing, pedophelia, and takes its women and treats them as second class citizens, fit only for breeding is beyond me. Not very scientific at all. I pity you. Lastly, if you are going to refer to islam, note that no one calls it “the Islam”, at least not anyone who has a clue. Your research is flawed. Severely. Try doing some thorough reasearch on taqiyya.
  • Charles

    Yes he has said kill the jews..
    =-
    Aussies are living on a former penal colony…And?
    Americans we’re SOOOO worthy of the British
    Empire’s attention, that when we broke off, hell
    broke loose. Aussies? You were so shitty, the Empire
    kicked you to an island prison. Is that enough said?

  • P.J.

    Kal El read the world from Islam from George Negus & properly read the meaning of the holy Qur’an then we’ll talk. I’ll get back to you when i have finished. Also, it’s not ur fault the rest of the world pities Americans because he government has made them all stupid. I feel bad to have to be the bearer of bad news. It’s not a personal attack on you. It’s the government the politicains & media portrayal & some of the Ameriacns I have met. Peace, love & happiness to you. & I’ll keep you posted on my findings. I thank you for your concern. I will note your advice. I just want to know for myself. Not to be corrupted by media & public opinion. Worse case senario my boyfriend keeps me as his slave. lol. I have friends who are in egypt & other friends who go there often & are powerful people so i know i am safe. If i am wrong about what i have said i’ll admit it. At the moment i choose to follow my heart & find out for myself. Have a lovely day. & peace be with you.

  • Charles

    Believe it or not I was going to post more to the Aussie wanker, but
    Mr Kal did it for me! Want funny PJ? Ina  sick sorta way, g’head and
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,394522,00.html
    Check out this story…Or goto
    http://www.michaelsavage.com
    Check out the video of Nick Berg getting beheaded because he is
    an American Reporter? Listen to the background beyond his screams
    of agony as they behead him, to hear them praise Allah.

    Soz, when can we see a video of a Muslim being beheading and hearing
    Praise Jesus!? We cannot…Why? Because the followers of Christ would
    recoil at the thought of such a thing, as it would be against Christ’s
    teachings.

    In the New Testament, Peter asks Jesus this:
    “Lord, how many times may my brother sin against me and I have to forgive him? Seven times?”

    Jesus’s reply was simple:
    “I tell you not just 7 times, but 7 times 77 times!”

    Now do you see the diff?

  • P.J.

    Charles , we paid our way over here, only my great grandfathers family cae from england he came here as a minister to start the first church of christ in Adelaide , no convicts were sent to Adelaide. My family is english french german polish. Hatred is a small death. anger is the murderer of the mind. Respect & love. Peace be with you. & i dont hate Americans. I guess i should stop listen to the media hype on them too. I will find out for myself the truth about america. In the mean time i wish you love  & happiness & will continue with my current studies. America will be next on the list. I asssure you if i find out that the media has misrepresented America i will also get on that band wagon to resolve public opinion. I do not  wish for war. I wish for all to be at peace with eachother. I detest that the world is full of argession. Not good for the soul. 
     

  • Charles

    First church of christ and yet you said you went to a Catholic school..
    Hmm, direct opposition there, wouldn’t you say? Stupid, murder is a
    god damn Scimitar that is rusty going across the neck of a fucking
    human being and slowly cutting that beings head off while praising
    allah…Get it DEE-TA-DEE???? You worthless hippies are just that…
    ROFLMFAO!! Anger is the murderer of the mind? Are you retarded?
    Read the damn Quaran if you want Anger…You’re so big on reading
    as proof, instead of anything, read it and witness true hate and anger.

    Know why the Inquisitions began? In response to Muslims…That’s
    why…Get it now? Only through the mindset of “They bring a knife,
    we bring a gun” mentality did the muslim onslaughts stop. They
    raze a village, “we” obliterate a state,…Get it? If not it’s ok, the
    Muslims back then got it, that’s why the muslims today live back
    in the pre-plumbing, pre-thought days….Guess what’s coming?
    The same crap…There will be an awakening in the old British Empire,
    the old Roman Empire and the future NEW Americas Empire(sic) that
    will deal with muslims. Islamo Fascists are vermin and need to be
    treated as such. LOL I’m shocked, but not really. Hey Mr. Rushdie,
    is there such a thing as a violent Muslim? What? No reply?!?! Oh that
    is right, you are in hiding for your life cuz back in the day you wrote
    a simple book exposing Islam/Muslims…Then got a death warrant
    issued on yer butt….Good thing it’s a religion of peace, RIGHT MR
    RUSHDIE????

  • Charles

    Is the hippie movement drug induced or stupid on purpose?
    Name one god damned peace that was EVER achieved by
    peaceful means? EVER? Answer: It has *NEVER* happened.
    POS’s like you are like Independents , while in the middle of
    the road, you get ran over from both directions…Choose a
    side and back it….It’s on..

  • P.J.

    get a life Charles, it’s people like you who have real issues & give americans the bad name they are accused of. i feel sorry for you. I dont suffer fools kindly.

  • Tonto (USA)

    You know, in the West it is much easier to find out what a complete and total fraud Mohammad was.  We have access to books, histories and discussion that is totally forbidden, on pain of death, in muslim countries.  Mohammad was a very poor copier of whatever religious concepts that he ever could hear of so he could fool the ignorant savages that he was trying to lead in ever more profitable raids and conquests.  That’s all.  Nothing more.  A complete charlatan.  He was the kind of guy you’d see nowadays selling used cars and be a serial killer on the side.  The mullahs nowadays ain’t any better at all.  Any American that says they want to be a muslim is either a poser who is completely ignorant and needs attention or, a complete idiot that thinks he really understand what islam stands for but doesn’t have a single clue.

  • Kal-El

    PJ,

    You have powerful friends in Egypt? Guess what. So did Benazir Bhutto. She’s dead. You want to know islam for yourself? Ask Ali Sina, Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Abul Kasem, all ex-muslim who woke up and left the 7th century death cult behind. For their wisdom, they are hounded by “peaceful” muslims. Ask Salman Rushdie, who has a bounty out for his head, in the name of islam. Better yet, ask Sara and Amina Said, or Aqsa Pervez.

    You lol about possibly being kept a slave, but you won’t when your man knocks your teeth out, or breaks your jaw. You might think I am exaggerating, but look for yourself –
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/honor_killings_islam_misogyny
    Click on some of the links, look for the woman who had  both eyes torn out from her skull, and had most of her nose ripped apart. That is islam, you want to volunteer for it, your loss. You detest that the world is full of aggression? How self-righteous. Then get off your ass and help defeat islam. The cult of islam IS aggression. Look at the life of Muhammad, and all the people he slaughtered, raped, had decapitated, and enslaved. You tell me to read a book by an author I have never heard of. Why??? Have you read “The Satanic Verses”? Have you read the quran? You call it a holy book, and you are right, it is a book full of holes. There is NO peace in islam. They are commanded to make war on infidels. And when they are not trying to kill us, they turn on each other, rabid dogs that they are. Look at Iraq, in the 30 years before Saddam fell. Look at Iran, where the mullahs hang Iranian citizens for drinking, being homosexual, and even just socializing with a woman they are not married to. Look at Lebanon, where every 6 months Shiite terrorist group Hezbollah starts shooting Sunni and Druze Lebanese to gain power in Government. You sound like a typical hippie, talking about wanting everyone to be at peace. If you were sincere, you would want NOTHING to do with islam.

  • Kal-El

    Charles,

    Right on :D Hippies are idiot idealists. They claim they value life, but most are all for abortion. Go figure.

    Tonto,

    I could not have said that any better myself :D Kuffars are Kool :D

  • Dan

    I am not getting involved in this latest arguement, just something to charles.

    “Yes he has said kill the jews..”

    I would like a direct quote asking for the calling to kill an entire race from Ahmadinejad please (and the source you use, natually.)

    All i have is the mistranslation of “بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود ” Meaning to remove from the pages of history, about the Israeli state in Ahmadinejad’s Al-Quds day sppech, which was mistranslated on the BBC as “wiped off the face of the earth” This mistranslatio nhas already been pointed out by countless Government offices and the BBC over here in the UK, as well as over the world.

    So… where is your proof?

  • Kal-El

    Dan,

    You just DID involve yourself. For proof, look at ACTIONS. Hezbollah is financed by Iran, everyone knows that. Hezbollah takes orders from Iran. Hezbollah is sworn to the destruction of Israel. Hezbollah HAS kidnapped Israeli soldiers. They sent back the corpses earlier this month. I was in Lebanon when they had the parade honoring the terrorists released in exchange for the dead soldiers’ remains. Got that? I can draw you a picture if you need something simpler.

    As for the UK Government and the BBC, your government puts jihadists on welfare (Abu Qatada), and the BBC always covers for muslims when they bludgeon a Briton to within an inch of his life, rape a girl, or vandalize private property by calling them “Asians”. Your Government is selling you all into dhimmitude. Enjoy tyranny, it is on its way.

  • Dan

    lets just look at what you said…

    “hezbollah is sworn to the destruction of Israel.”
    “Hezbollah HAS kidnapped Israeli soldiers.”

    No swearing to kill all Jews then?
    that makes it irrelevant to my request.

    And just to Answer your statements on the BBc, it puts “Jihadists” on welfare, yes, but it also puts other kinds of people such as white supremists and right wing christians on welfare also, as well as many people that oppose the government, I do not agree with their doing this, but it is not like the Jihadists get special treatment over others.

    Also it covers for Muslims at times of touble because, it may shock you but NOT ALL MUSLIMS CONDONE TERRORISM, I am sorry that your country does not teach children in schools about Religion (Religious Education is compulsory in public schools in the UK) but we understand that the words Terrorist and Fundamentalist are do not lead to the words “SEE ISLAM” in the dictionary, therefore the BBC remind people that such events as 7/7 are not reasons to attack random Muslims in the street. Infact Hindus, Sikhs and even South East Asian Atheists were victims of some abuse after 7/7.

    Anyway, I am only staying active out of Interest to Charles finding a quote from the Predident of Iran which says he intends to wipe out the worlds Jews, so I am not going to take part in a “your country is obviously with THEM and not US” PC conspiracy debate. sorry…

  • Kal-El

    There is no conspiracy here, so no need to apologize. Israel is, was, and always will be home to Jews. Destroying Israel (Islam’s stated goal) encompasses killing the Jews inhabiting it. And it is not the BBC putting people on welfare, on YOUR pound, but the Government of the Untied Kingdom. While I am fully aware there is no equivalent for the word “wipe” in Farsi, calling for all muslim nations to mobilize to remove Israel is just as bad.

    Here is a Palestinian response to Iran’s call for the destruction of Israel. Read it, and you may be surprised – http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000402.htm

    As for covering for muslims in time of trouble, why? Why cover for terrorists? Why not expose them for what they are, maybe then they will start to reform and stop blowing up your trains and busses, and airliners. You say “but we understand that the words Terrorist and Fundamentalist are do not lead to the words “SEE ISLAM” in the dictionary, therefore the BBC remind people that such events as 7/7 are not reasons to attack random Muslims in the street. ” First, the word “are” is not needed, as it makes the sentence unintelligible. Second, when have you ever heard of an American randomly attacking a muslim in the street??? If you can find an instance, I would love to know.  After 9/11 terrorist fundraiser groups CAIR and ISNA warned of a backlash against muslims. It didn’t happen. Yet you admit that it DID happen in the UK, and purport to “understand that the words Terrorist and Fundamentalist are do not lead to the words “SEE ISLAM” in the dictionary…” Maybe you ought to buy a new dictionary :P

  • Charles

    Fool? Look head in the sand, go watch the Nick Berg video you pop tart…
    LISTEN TO THE GOD DAMNED SCREAMS OF HORROR as they LITERALLY
    take a dull sword/knife and cut his damned neck like a turkey…Back and
    forth, WHILE ALIVE…You feel sorry for me? You make me laugh, it’s peeps
    like me that save gullies like you when loons like Islamos come attackin..

    Sorry? LOL dude, check the mirror with yer shirt off, specifically your
    back and make sure you still got a spine…Then actually watch the
    REAL damn videos of what they do to MEN, WOMEN and CHILDREN…
    Then come talk to me that I am the god damned problem…

  • Charles

    Bro, I am not wasting my time lookin up something to appease a
    man that loves Iran…Don’t care, the piece of shit called for the
    wiping of Israel, that’s enough for me…Take out a barrett, slap a
    really nice ACOG on it, and take his head off…THAT is what I
    would like our black ops to do…Have a nice day. BTW, ever seen
    what a Barrett can do to a head, even at 100 yards? It’s actually
    wicked…

  • Charles

    Kal-El, come on now, stop using logic…It is understandable
    to burn buildings, torture and murder over a simple cartoon…
    It’s you and I that are stupid….. <—-NOT!

  • jennyjen

    PJ, everyone kinda jumped on you so I’m not going to.  Our government hasn’t made us stupid, it’s made itself stupid and I could bitch for hours about how crappy our government handles basically everything but I’m not. I live in the greatest country on the face of the Earth, period. Nowhere else can you do what you can do as a citizen of this country without fear of retaliation, be it political, religious or “other”. I’m allowed to walk the streets at any hour,  and in the good ol’ USA, getting stoned to death is what we do in college, good times man!
    So please, the next time you see Americans being portrayed as “stupid” just remember, we have a media over here too, Aussies aren’t portrayed as geniuses and I don’t assume every Aussie to be a backwoods, inbred alligator wrestler.

  • Kal

    Charles, No more comments like that when I am eating. Expelling spaghetti from my nostrils is PAINFUL (although worth it cause that was damned funny!)

    Jennyjen,

    Aussies don’t all wrestle alligators??? What about Mick Dundee, and Steve Irwin??? :p

  • Charles

    Oh please, I love our government…Let’s see, Bill Clinton can do felonious shit and the media and demmys cover it all up…Bush STANDS BY 13x INTEL reports on WMD’s in Iraq, Gets told by Israel they got pics of phony Red Cross trucks en masses crossing from Iraq into Syria before the invasion(moving the WMDS), Doesn’t listen to pussies like Demmys and bitchy newsies, and gets called stupid. ONLY IN AMERICA can dropouts in hollywood, and loser politicians call a President with 2 GOD DAMNED MASTERS DEGREES from Ivy League schools, an Idiot…What’s not to love? Home of the Traitor Demmys that go sit with any regime and give them an A-OK….That can blatantly lie about our soldiers, when proven wrong, NOT BE JAILED FOR IT…YAY US! Then when the lil bitches on both sides have a fucking vote to give themselves pay raises, THEN AND ONLY THEN DO BOTH THEM LITTLE WEASEL ASS PARTIES FINALLY AGREE OVERWHELMINGLY….YAY US!!!!

    Home of the welfare state that pays illegals to be in our country illegally!!! YAY!!

    Home of the welfare state that grants 7 year tax exemption to foreigners and not BORN AMERICANS…YAY!!!

    Home of the mask called Unfair/Fair where the top 25% of all WAGE EARNERS(That’s rich peeps) pay 87% of ALL FEDERAL INCOME TAXES…The top 50% of all WAGE EARNERS(More rich peeps) pay 97% of ALL FEDERAL INCOME TAXES…Source:  The Internal Revenue Service…

    That means the demmys crying the rich shouldn’t get a tax cut, is kinda stupid and saying they dont pay their fair share an outright god damned lie.
    To put it in welfare stupid terms to understand for the slow:
    What would you rather be paid:
    10% of 20,000 per year = $2,000
    10% of 1,000,000 per year = $100,000

    Hmm let me see, Alex what should I say….Now imagine winning a god damned Lotto for $200M —WOW!—-Whoops, soz winner the IRS requires you to pay them roughly 155M of that or more…Is 45M still alot? Hell yea it is, but if you have any of that the following year guess what? Higher tax bracket…Stead of 28% it’s up to 60%…YAY!

  • Charles

    Sixteen Chinese policemen have been killed in an attack on a border post in the restive Muslim region of Xinjiang, state media say.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7540138.stm

  • Tonto (USA)

    Charles, you are either being deliberately obtuse or you really are that dense.  Since 9/11 there have been 11,579 terror attacks carried out by jihadists, world wide. From 26july to 6aug, there have been 39 attacks by jihadists.  204 killed, 796 injured.  That’s just 12 days sport. And just think, it doesn’t matter to the muj if it’s Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists, Jews or moooselimbs.  They’re so sexually repressed that they have to masturbate their guns….or is it with their guns?  Anyway, I really don’t care to pick nits with you or match wits with you(I hate to fight an unarmed man), but Amadinnerjacket DID say, several times he intended to wipe Israel off the map.  I just wish the Israelis would take the gloves off and show the idiots the asswhippin’ they been missin’. The Americans took out an “army” that Iran lost 8 million troops to….in about 5 days.  The muslims are mostly just talk, talk, talk. Without oil they haven’t amounted to a small mound of mouse poop for 1400 years….and all they did for that was “happened” to be breeding over big pools of oil.  Name me a few muslim accomplishments they have achieved without western help.  Forget it, there ain’t none.  So get off it dude, your just making more of a “tard” of yourself.

  • Tonto (USA)

    Sorry, meant all that for Dan

  • Kal

    ROFL @ Tonto…

    I was gonna say “SAME TEAM!”

    :P

  • jennyjen

    Ah, Crocodile Dundee- helluva man, “thats not a knife, this is a knife mate” LMAO!
    Well, Charles did my bitchin for me, way to go man…I kinda got depressed reading that shit.  Good thing I’m in a country where that can be vocalized without fear of retaliation from the government–Right Charles?!?

  • Kal

    lol @ that Dundee quote. I prefer mine, to the Iranian mullahtards “That’s not a nuke. *points at American arsenal* THIS is a nuke, jihadi.”

  • jennyjen

    Nice one Kal! ;)

  • julius

    To the ausie who wants to convert to Islam/being a Muslim.Be careful when you join a cult of 1 billion,first they brain wash you with the quran,make you think your “One of the family”. Make you forget your past,fun,Boy scouts beer drinking etc,Make you hate infidels, and then bow down to them,shower you with praises and possibly gifts, and finnaly when you are stupid enough to ‘Believe in them they will make you Strap on a suicide bomb in the name of Allah,So aussie are we Americans/infidels stupid now? The closest thing we had here was maybe the Manson family,Oh hes still alive surving a life sentence,sort of like being a muslim,you can never be free,IDIOT.

  • julius

    To the aussie on “thinking about converting to Islam”. You have discovered a path to spirituality from education,travels, openmindedness,these things are all honorable and worthy.But do you really want to be part of a religion whom claim they are true and dont except others beliefs,some do some dont but be very careful how you approach this life altering decision. They are not so good at letting you convert back to anything,Its like being in the Hells angels man.You seem intelligent enough to make your own desicions,I would recomend you to be a spiritual independent and dont surrender to no one, only be true to youself,Remember the truth will set you free.Thats what this site is about.May God(ALLah bless you for trying).Oh by the way doesnt anyone mention DARWIN anymore? Long live John Lennon,Yes I am a liberal,free thinking,bacon eating Hippie(non-Vegan) pot smoking hippie infidel from the U.S.A. and Love myself and Country,Peace.

  • nick

    just on what anti-aksa said

    yes it has flaws but what religion doesn’t? 

    not sure what religion you are from, I’m guessing Christianity because that’s where most of the ignorant islamophobics come from
    the Christian bible has been used by members of the KKK to justify their actions against african-americans
     so before you make comments like, use your brain

    cheers

  • alex

    Rudy,

    Ages back. Couple of basic mistakes in history. The Internet – at least World Wide Web – was invented by an Englishman, Tim Berners-Lee and the elephone was invented by a scotsman, Alexander Graham Bell. Not everything in the world was invented in America. Other people have also made contributions. What usually happened is that the genius came from  Europe but the will and the finance to develop it came from the US.
    Back to the subject. I don’t have the Arabic to read the Qran in original form but I have read it in a good translation (by E.V. Rieu – a highly respected translator of classical writings). Not once did I find any resemblance between what was there and the atrocities now being commited in the name of Islam.  Anyone can take suras out of context and misinterpret them and that’s what both Islamophobes and, more importantly, the extremists are doing. They are no more representative of Islam than the Spanish Inquisition was of Christianity. The free world must distinguish between persons of the Muslim faith – individuals who have a particular belief and Islam – a cultural, political structure based on misogeny, violence and intolerance. The Muslim faith should be as protected as other faiths are; it is a force for good. Islam as practised by Saudi and Iran et al is dangerous and should be crushed; it is a force for evil.

  • Kal

    Nick, You make a valid point, and I detest the KKK. HOWEVER, the message of Jesus is love, compassion and forgiveness for all, including those who do us wrong. Humans mucked that up The message of Muhammad is hate, war, terror, against all who did not/do not/will not submit to allah.

    The KKK is a hate cult, everyone knows that. By that line of logic I can just as easily say islam is a hate cult.

    Cheers

  • Charles

    Ages? LOL! Alex, first off the internet was invented by an American on contract from the United States Department of Defense. 2nd the HTTP protocol was indeed invented by a Brit named Lee, however the only way he could invented it was using the Internet :) And a lil thing called Mosaic.

    Telephone actually credit goes to Antonio Meucci, Philip Reis, Elisha Gray and Alexander Graham Bell. However, the most successful nod was to Bell because his was actually tested and proven to work. If I am not mistaken, he was American at the time of the invention. See most peeps that like “borders, language, culture” in the USA believe once you become a citizen here, you are American first and origin of birth second…That’s why the whole Pledge of Allegiance thang and swearing into being a citizen requires you to state it. So, Bell was an American :) As Morgan Freeman once corrected an interviewer when she called him African-American, he replied: Excuse me, I’m an American only. Understand?

    You’re cute tirade? or was it a dressing down? was just that, cute… Problem? I have read it, and it does state it. So now we have a disagreement. That’s EZ to fix, simply go buy ANY NUMBER of books that will quote it line for line…Oh wait, let me guess….It’s all a conspiracy(Vast right wing???) against the Muslim faith??? Right?

    K, correct me if I am wrong…But the Inquisitions were a direct response to Muslims conquering? The ones kidnapping, chopping heads off of non-believers are Muslims?
    Homosexuals are executed under Islamic law in Iran? The woman who was with a co-worker in Saudi Arabia, then got raped…Was originally given more time in prison, than the rapists under ISLAMIC FUCKING LAW?

    True or False: Women under Islamic law when found guilty of adultry, are buried up to their necks and stoned to death????

    Now, I search all the liberal whiner sites of peeps like you(appeasers), and something stood out….So I want you to g’head and explain how exactly this religion of PEACE can have LAWS with PUNISHMENTS(Um, let me guess….You aren’t aware of the punishments?)…and then stand by and fucking compare it to any religion like Catholics….Cuz if I’m not mistaken, the worst thing that can happen to you in that church(barring molestation) is ex-communication. Hmmm, that means yer no longer allowed in the clubhouse…You don’t die, your family doesnt die, you don’t get tortured…Yet refresh my memory….What is the punishment for showing the image of the Grand Pubah of the Muslim Faith? Or dissin that religion? Let’s ask Rushdie…Aw damn, still in hiding…Let’s ask the Swedish cartoonist…Damn, cant…In hiding for the whole life thang.

    Kal, you and me are stupid and mis-informed…the ENTIRE FUCKING POPULATION of the Muslim faith is nice….So, we can trust them all….Ok?

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Pull the other leg, it’,ll play Jingle Bells…

  • Charles

    To the idiot about KKK and using the Christian bible…

    First off the verses that the Klan used were from the old testament…And? A Christian is a Believer in Christ our Lord and Saviour…That’s the 1st tantamount, the 2nd is believing that he died on the cross for all of our sins…the 3rd is that he was resurrected 2 days later as affirmation and confirmation of who he is and fulfillment of God the Fathers words from the Old Testament.

    With that out of the way, Christ said “To obey MANS laws as well ass His Fathers”.  MANS law as well as Gods was broken by the Klan, and they will pay for that…Bitches like you are chumps and have no real belief system. I do…Don’t think the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is real? Don’t think he was God the Father of Jesus Christ? Then wtf do you care what the Klans motives were? The same friggin God detests SWEARING by his name, and you don’t think he’s pissed off at the Klan for quoting him to justify what they did?

    PHEW! It’s a good think King David didn’t have your faith!!

    The part if I am not mistaken that they used, are the lines about “treating slaves well” or something like that. However, Slavery wasn’t what it was in the 1700′s and up….Back in Biblical days some families did that to make money…IE: John wanted to support his old lady and 8 kids, so he went into Slavery(Indentured Servitude) for X amt of time so that his family would be cared for…IE: If it were for a King, they would be exempt from taxes, etc…That line was not GOD saying Slavery IS ok, that was simply in my  words God saying: You stupid assholes that are mean to a man for earning a wage while working for you, BE NICE TO THEM!

    Kal is more eloquent, but I honestly don’t have the patience for it.

  • Jes

    If Muslim women are indeed respected as equals, then why does the holy book say they are not? That’s ok the Bible doesnt think much of women either.

  • Charles

    Yes women arent respected in the Christian Bible…Hmm, isn’t several of the books in it named after women??? Um, yes. Most beautiful woman in the Bible? Sarah…There are even female preachers in the Christian Bible. SO, in WHAT aspect are women not respected in the Christian Bible? do tell, I await just a glorious response…

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    Well for starters Charles, in the Book of Genesis Eve and womankind are cursed by God for eating the apple. As a result women must bear the pain of child birth.

    According to Jewish Law (in the Old Testament) a common man may have up to 4 wives and an aristocratic man may have up to 18 wives. Kings like Soloman had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

    Also according to Jewish law a woman is born as the property of her father, until she marries and becomes the property of her husband. That’s why during marriages the father of the bride “gives” her away to the groom.

    According to Deut. 22:28 if a man rapes a woman he must marry her. If the woman does not resist/cry out she must be stoned to death.

    According to Moses’s commands in the Book of Number’s virgin women of enemy nations may be kept by Jewish men as sex slaves/concubines.

    According to the Bible if a man and woman are guilty of adultery, the man must pay a fine. The woman must be stoned to death.

    According to Catholicism, God impregnated Mary when she was only 12 years old and already bethroed to another man.

    According to 1 Corinthians 14:34, Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.

    According to 1 Timothy 2:11, A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.

    And that’s just a sample. The Book of Mormon is even worse (for women’s rights).

  • Kal

    Marcus, How often do you see those ancient laws in practice? OUTSIDE of muslim countries that use the quran to justify the same thing, that is.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Marcus you are in the wrong dispensation, Old Testament Law.  God took the rap in OT – now we know, ‘the Mystery.’  Old things have passed away, behold all things are new in Christ.  Read John 10:10 – you won’t believe it, but it wouldn’t hurt you to read some truth for a change instead of all the screwy lies of Islam, the ‘Queeran’ (good name for Satan’s book of lies)

    In Christ there neither male or female.  In the WORD OF GOD, there is no private interpretation, it is GOD breathed, we are to be workman – RIGHTLY DEVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.

    The ONE TRUE GOD OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS THE AUTHOR OF THE BIBLE, and men took the word down by inspiration of GOD, IT IS ACURATE, AND FITS LIKE A HAND IN A GLOVE.  WE ARE NOT TO ADD TO GOD’S WORD OR TAKE ANY AWAY.  JESUS CHRIST IS HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT CAME TO SAVE US AND NOW SITS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD ALMIGHTY. (the Mystery)

    Your god is Satan the little g -god of this world, (Lucifer the fallen angel,) who comes only to steal, kill and destroy, but his day is coming & Satan will be chained in the bottomless pit for all belivers to look at for a thousand years!!! . . .  there are a few more exciting events betwixt, between but no need to give away all of God’s wonderful plan, you wouldn’t appreciate it anyway.  It’s not for you Marcus, IT IS WRITTEN  for true believers in Christ.
    So don’t tell me about women’s rights. You have no right as a rank unbeliever.

    I decided as a woman of God not to sit silent on this one.
     

  • Charles

    Again, still waiting. Oh wait, yer quoting the OT to a Christian.
    That’s you’re mistake.  What happened to the slaves(jews) brought
    out of Egypt when they ignored God??? Anybody, Anybody…How
    many years did they walk around OUTSIDE of the land of Milk
    and Honey for their behavior?
    =-
    Jesus promises Everlasting life in the Kingdom of His Father by
    simply believing…Not cutting off heads, kidnapping, torture,
    not by making peeps believe by force, blowing up women and
    kids in Cafe’s or busses…Yes, Imams do tell you exactly WHY
    and HOW you should beat your wife…Yes, GREAT!

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    First off, I do not practice the Islamic religion. Im from a Catholic backgroud.

    Secondly, not a lot of Muslims are named Marcus, after the pagan Roman God of War.

    Third, if the Bible is the word of God, why is there so much hate, bigotry, and misogyny in the Old Testament??? I mean did the eternal, all knowing God go from ordering the genocide of the Amalakites, Midianites, Cannanites, etc. in the Old Testament, to commanding people to turn the other cheek in the New Testament.

    Why did God who was unitary in the Old Testament, become triune in the New???

    Why are women not allowed to rise to the level of preachers in most of God’s churches???

    And finally Carolynne, why are you as an enlightened Christian so anti-homosexual??? Calling the Koran/Quran the “Queeran” not only reaks of bigotry against Muslims, but also against gays.

    Is it wrong for a loving homosexual couple to have sexual relations, when the God of Christianity goes around impregnating young virgin girls with his seed???

    I humbly await your reply :)

  • jennyjen

    Marcus, I just gotta weigh in on one of your points about women in most of God’s Churches. The church I belong to allows women to rise as high in the Preisthood as they would like to go, my aunt is actually a high priest, my dad is too. I recently went to another church for a funeral, my best friends dad passed away-cancer. The pastor was a woman and a fiery one at that. Other Churches have women teaching and running the morning worship.
    I think its just the Catholics that remain in the dark ages about women and I really have never cared for Catholicism or any form of organized religion for that matter; I was just baptized at an early age and spent my entire childhood at church every Sunday morning, I attend every so often as an adult.  I like to think I’m a spiritual person, just don’t care for the idea of going to church on Sunday morning (I do think it’s good for children, sense of structure and all). God can hear me wherever I’m at and he doesn’t just listen on Sunday’s either.
    Oh, and I’m gonna have to break out the bible on this thing about Mary being a young girl and call my dad, he’s somewhat an authority on these matters. I’ll get back to ya!

  • Storm-Rider

    Marcus: “if the Bible is the word of God, why is there so much hate, bigotry, and misogyny in the Old Testament???”

    As a Christian I accept the moral law of the Hebrew Bible, but not all of the dietary laws and laws relating to the Jewish Temple etc. The Old Testament commands us to hate evil, so that is a good use of hatred. The Old Testament also commands us to love God and love our neighbor as ourselves. I’m not sure where the Old Testament bigotry and misogyny is, so you’ll have to give me some direct quotes first.

    Marcus: “I mean did the eternal, all knowing God go from ordering the genocide of the Amalakites, Midianites, Cannanites, etc. in the Old Testament, to commanding people to turn the other cheek in the New Testament.”

    The Amalakites, Midianites, Cannanites, etc. were at war with God. Yes, God’s relations with people changed after he took bodily form and came to Earth as Jesus Christ.

    Marcus: “Why did God who was unitary in the Old Testament, become triune in the New???”

    God was binary in the Old Testament: God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. I for one see this as simply a unitary God of creation who miraculously makes Himself available to live within man – if man will accept Him within his mind and heart. The Christian Trinity is really not that mysterious either. You still have the same God as Father, the same Holy Spirit of God; but now we also have God the Son. In my mind these aren’t rival gods as in ancient Greece and Rome, but rather manifestations of a single God – King of the Universe – who manifests Himself in three ways.

    Marcus: “Why are women not allowed to rise to the level of preachers in most of God’s churches???”

    Some Christian Churches allow women to be priests or ministers, others do not.

    Marcus: “Is it wrong for a loving homosexual couple to have sexual relations, when the God of Christianity goes around impregnating young virgin girls with his seed???”

    Homosexual acts are condemned in the Old and New Testaments, but those who commit the act can be forgiven if they repent and stop – same is true for heterosexual adultery. As for the virgin birth of Christ, you’ll have to take that up with God as Holy Spirit yourself – this event only occurred once according to the New Testament – not multiple times as you say. As the Christian hymn goes: “God moves in a mysterious way.”

    Marcus, you are free to reject the God of the Bible.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Marcus first of all you are NOT being humble, (meek) or teachable. You digest what I said the first time, then God will give you more.  You cannot have meat  until you get off the bottle and you are not even born again yet.  So no go, for you.  As I said, Marcus this is not for you, only a true believer.  You will never see the truth until you ask God to reveal it to you, and you will have to be saved first.  John3:16 – simple as that.  So until then, you remain in darkness.

  • Charles

    Ignore the nerds who keep analyzing the bible to reason with themselves that God is false so Hedonism is ok…It’s coo! Notice the kids mention Mary’s age and the miracle(that they wont say was a miracle) but never mention the miracle of Sarah getting pregnant as an old woman????

    Let’s stave off the bullshit:

    The requirement of slaughtering of animals to please God is no longer required…Why was it? Well let’s see, they were VALUABLE at the time and
    not made of gold fashioned into idols….”Willingly Ignorant!”

    In essence, God wiped human after human off the map for their BS…It was wasted life he created…He couldn’t metaphorically understand such
    stupidity(GEE, go figure!)…So he came forth as Jesus to “walk a mile in our shoes” and save us from ourselves, because God the Father CANNOT reside next to Sin! He basically gave EVERYONE an “out”  that through Jesus Christ,
    we may actually reside within the Kingdom of God…Get it?

    I was taught that in the passage  where Jesus spoke “Father, why hath thou forsaken me?” and then died upon the cross…I was told that at the exact moment He spoke that it was because at that moment He accepted all of the sin from man from the past, present and future into Himself upon the cross, and God the Father turned away at that moment because He couldn’t stand the sight of the sin in Jesus…And that exact moment for the FIRST time in His ENTIRE life, Jesus lost his link to God the Father…Which lead to the rumours of Jesus dying of a broken heart, not the crusifixtion!

    To imagine a life where you can be linked to God spiritually all of it, then suddenly have it torn away must be damning to ones psyche’….Some also say tthat hell is existance without God for eternity….I cringe at that thought…

  • Tonto (USA)

    Beautiful thread.  I’m learning a lot.  Thank you all!

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    I neither affirm nor deny the God of Christianity.

    I am critical of aspects of Christianity, and if this makes me anti-Christian then I would be in great company with such peeps as Voltaire, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, and Ben Franklin.

    I just feel that if somebody in 2008 believed that the Greek God Zeus impregnated the mortal woman Alcema, and sired Hercules, saviour of mankind, we would feel sorry for their mental incompetence.

    So too we should feel about those that believe that the Christian God impregnated the mortal woman Mary (a 12 year old vigin according to Catholicism) and sired Jesus, saviour of mankind.

  • Storm-Rider

    Marcus, Why do you feel the need to so adamantly post your anti-Christian bigotry and prejudice here?

    Marcus, do you hate Christians?

  • Charles

    Marcus you are a joke…You think you’re what? Smart? Intelligent? LOL! I’m not a Catholic, so I don’t care what they say…No where in the KJV of the Bible does it say Mary was 12, so stick the age comments up your ass…Argue with catholics about that. I am a Christian, not a Catholic. And to equate your silly and whimsical beliefs on this thread, is purposely attempting to start shit. Lap up
    the muslims or ignore them like you do Jesus Christ….Then if peeps like me and my fellow Christians let them take over to prove a point to insepid twits like you, WHEN the chop your fuckin head off, have fun being an Intellectual as your head hits the floor…Then in that 1 sec as you stare up or whichever way it lands, I want you to remember this post and think to your now beheaded head: Fuck, wish I would’ve believed in Christ….Now imma be ass raped for eternity in Hell by someone I HATE with a passion….GO YOU!!!

  • jennyjen

    Charles, U are fuckin hilarious! Keep on keepin on, your awesome! And Marcus, checked that Mary thing out and it’s a no-go…there is no reference to Mary’s age, only that she was a virgin. I then double-checked with Dad and Auntie and well, they had some interesting comments but I ain’t tryin to call you a complete jackass like they did. Looks to me the only point you got is on your head bro! Storm-Rider has an interesting question for you, we await your response….. :)

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    Do I hate Christians???

    No, as I stated earlier Im actually a non-practicing Catholic.

    And of the approx. 1.8 billion Christians in the world, about 1.2 billion are Catholic. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Southern Baptists are a real small minority.

    I just stated that that being critical of aspects of a religion doesnt make someone a bigot.

    For example (in the context of religious misogyny) I am critical of the Christian god impregnating a young virgin girl (Mary), of the Muslim prophet taking a young wife (Aisha), and the Jewish king David ordering young virgins girls (Abishag) to keep him warm on his death bed.

    As the great Bill Maher said, whenever someone starts getting religious revelations its best for parents to hide their young daughters.

    I am however, anti-Jewish :)

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    And Charles, there is a whole lot of beheadings in the Kings James Version of the Bible.

    Infact, a biblical hero named David cut the head of a Phillistine soldier named Goliath, kind of like how Al-Qaeda terrorists cut the heads of US soldiers.

    Jews to this day, use the symbol of David the Decapitator as the symbol of their religion/cult.

  • Storm-Rider

    It is your right to be of some religion of your own making, even if it is atheism - that is your faith. You have yours, and I have mine.

    It is interesting that you enjoy the company of the elitist anti-Christian, anti-Biblical God, European philosopher, Voltaire. Here is some of of what this socialist-elitist believed:

    “Voltaire distrusted democracy, which he saw as propagating the idiocy of the masses. To Voltaire, only an enlightened monarch or an enlightened absolutist, advised by philosophers like himself”

    Here are his dying words:

    “I am abandoned by God and man….. “For God’s sake, let me die in peace.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    Voltaire was the leading figure in the Enlightenment; without that Christians in America would still be hanging teenage girls by nooses for the crime of witchcraft. Adulterers would be stoned to death, and Homosexuals burned.

    And Voltaire was exactly right about the ignorance of the masses. Thats why America’s founding fathers created a Republic, and not a pure democracy.

    To sum up, Voltaire’s contributions to modern Western Civilization far exceed those of Biblical Christianity.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Marcus: Well let’s see you tell God that! 
    You have lost it – BIG TIME.  OH Well!  However the hanging witches part, adulterers stoned, and homosexual perverts burned would do away with most of Washington Demorats.  If that Witch Pelosi had lived in that time, she’d be long gone by now.  Ha Ha!    So you study Voltaire,  which is one of the most boring confusing SOB that has lived besides Barrack Hussinsane Obama.  Why?
    I can remember in History class what a joke that Voltaire was and still is. 
    Marcus:  You are just as much of a joke, if not more, plus boring and very confused!

    I’ll take God’s Word over Voltaire’s or yours any day.
    Marcus: You have what is known as HUA disease!  It is incurable!

  • Tonto (USA)

    Marcus, you’re into way too much mental masterbation…..I don’t know if they even make glasses thick enough for you.

  • Charles

    Ya’ll are makin me laugh somethin fierce!!!(ya’ll is a jab @ miss spears!)..
    K, Marcus let’s break it down, shall we?

    “And Charles, there is a whole lot of beheadings in the Kings James Version of the Bible.”
    Yes Marcus, there are…Many 1000′s of years ago…YAY you!! However, Muslims are cutting fucking heads off *NOW*…The same as 1000′s of years ago…GET THE DAMN DIFF??!?!

    “Infact, a biblical hero named David cut the head of a Phillistine soldier named Goliath, kind of like how Al-Qaeda terrorists cut the heads of US soldiers.”

    Ahhhh, so something that happened 5000 years ago before there were Christians, somehow makes what Muslims TODAY are doing? I like how you say Al-Qaeda and NOT Muslims…that’s cute…Hey Nick Berg, what’s your thought on David….oh wait, the fucker aint got a GOD DAMNED HEAD BECAUSE OF MUSLIMS…ASshole…

    “Jews to this day, use the symbol of David the Decapitator as the symbol of their religion/cult.”

    I’m not a jew or practice Judaism Marcus, what does that mean to this Christian? I have a personal BEST friend and I follow his thought on Jews…Cuz he is one. Jewish is a race, not a religion. Judaism is the religion of the Race of most jews. He is a Christian.

    Yer cute Marcus…You overtly defend Muslims and Terrorists…That’s cute and amusing. Here’s the prob with that….GOD inbued David to do what he did…Muslims listen to a human(dead) that was a rapist, murderer, torturer, child molestor….Get the diff??? Or should we all E-NUN-CI-ATE from now on?

    Let me tell ya somethin, I’m forward and straight about it…I would rather vote for HILLARY CLINTON than Obama or McCain!!! I’m the most Conservative PRICK you will ever meet to boot…At least with Hillary we would KNOW what we are getting!!!

    Volataire? LOL! What happened to most Greek and Roman philosophers??!? TY! If it weren’t for peeps like US on this thread back in the day, there would be no Inquisitions to stop the Muslim onslaught and that is FACT, like it or not!

    Witch Trials…Do some research asshole, like 13 peeps were killed…Whoopty fuck. Guess whom the accused were accused by? Assholes like you liberals…Like certain leading Democrats accusing Marines of shit they never did…Get it? Liberals do WitchHUNTS year after year, and bitches like you Marchus cheer it…Remember Clarence Thomas? Witch Hunt! EVERY damn Judge Bush put up for nomination??!?! WITCH HUNT! Yer weak, and sad…I despise bitches like you…But Men like me pray for shitheads like you….We don’t cut heads off, blow up Cafes or busses…We pray for assholes like you…Asshole!

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    Crazy Charlie;

    There is no such thing as a Jewish race (but there is a lot of Jewish Bullshit).

    The Five Recognized Races are (based on Johann Frederick Blumenbach):
    Caucasian; europeans, persians, arabs, armenians, etc.
    African; african americans, black british, other blacks
    American; mayans, aztecs, cherokees, navajo
    Mongoloid; koreans, chinese, japanese
    Malayan; indonesians, malaysians, burmese

    The United States Census Bureau defines a Jew as any person who is atleast nominally a believer of the religion (really a cult) of Judaism.

    Also I sincerely hope that the “god” who imbued David with the command to decapitate another human being is not my God, the Creator who the founding fathers invoked in drafting the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The “god” of Davy also inspired the murderous Jewish king to kill his friend so he could marry his wife, and thump young virgins on his death bed.

    Al Qaeda being an Islamic terrorist group is pretty common knowledge. Most people also know the IRA are Catholics, and Tamil Tigers are Hindu. Didnt think I needed to mention Al Qaeda members were Muslim, but to clarify, they are indeed Islamic.

  • Storm-Rider

    “Also I sincerely hope that the “god” who imbued David with the command to decapitate another human being is not my God, the Creator who the founding fathers invoked in drafting the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.”

    The Biblical God is the God of our sacred human rights – the God of our founding fathers and the Declaration of Independence. You may not like the Biblical God of creation and of the Old Testament wars, but I do; and, with the exception of Thomas Paine, our founding fathres did. Marcus, I’ve decideded to adhere to the Biblical God along with these great men – and not with you.

    “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”  George Washington

     

  • Storm-Rider

    “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”  George Washington

    “Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favour…”  George Washington

    “The eyes of all should be turned to that Almighty Power, in whose hands are the welfare and the destiny of nations”  James Madison

    “It is impossible for the man of pious reflection not to perceive in it [the Constitution] a finger of that Almighty hand which has been so frequently and signally extended to our relief in the critical stages of the revolution.”  James Madison

    “That they call to mind our numerous offense against the Most High God, confess them before Him with the sincerest penitence, implore His pardoning mercy, through the Great Mediator and Redeemer, for our past transgressions, and that through the grace of His Holy Spirit, we may be disposed and enable to yield a more suitable obedience to His righteous requisitions in time to come.”
      John Adams – Proclamation of a National Day of Fasting and Prayer, March 6, 1799

    “It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.”  John Adams


    “The safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and blessing of Almighty God.”  John Adams

    “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”   John Adams

    “I have always said, I always say, that the studious perusal of the sacred volume will make better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands.”  Thomas Jefferson

    “I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”   Thomas Jefferson

    “Almighty God hath created the mind free. All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens . . . are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion.”  Thomas Jefferson

    “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?”   Thomas Jefferson

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.  That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”  Thomas Jefferson

    “I shall need, too, the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessaries and comforts of life; who has covered our infancy with His providence and our riper years with His wisdom and power…”  Thomas Jefferson

    “I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth:  that God governs the affairs of men.  And if the sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?  We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that ‘except the Lord builds the House, they labor in vain who build it.”  Benjamin Franklin

    “Surely God would not have created such a being as man, with an ability to grasp the infinite, to exist only for a day! No, no, man was made for immortality.”  Abraham Lincoln
    “With Malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds.”  Abraham Lincoln
     
     “In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Saviour gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man’s welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it. To you I return my most sincere thanks for the very elegant copy of the great Book of God which you present.”  Abraham Lincoln
     
    “Now, let us treat the Bible fairly. If we had a witness on the stand whose general story we knew was true, we would believe him when he asserted facts of which we had no other evidence. We ought to treat the bible with equal fairness. I decided a long time ago that it was less difficult to believe that the Bible was what it claimed to be than to disbelieve it. It is a good book for us to obey – it contains the ten commandments, the Golden Rule, and many other rules which ought to be followed. No man was ever the worse for living according to the directions of the Bible.”  Abraham Lincoln

  • Storm-Rider

    Marcus, John Locke was also an enlightenment philosopher; but, unlike the elitist Voltaire, he believed in the Biblical God; and unlike Voltaire he believed in the God-given natural rights of all individuals. John Locke and Thomas Jefferson did not look down their noses at “the masses.”

    “Where revelation comes into its own is where reason cannot reach. Where we have few or no ideas for reason to contradict or confirm, this is the proper matters for faith…that Part of the Angels rebelled against GOD, and thereby lost their first happy state: and that the dead shall rise, and live again: These and the like, being Beyond the Discovery of Reason, are purely matters of Faith; with which Reason has nothing to do.“ John Locke

    ”The state of nature has a law of nature to govern it, which obliges everyone: and reason which is that law, teaches all mankind who will but consult it, that being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty or possessions…“ John Locke

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke/

    “The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.” — Thomas Jefferson

    http://freedomkeys.com/vigil.htm

    Also, almost without exception the great enlightenment scientists were Christians – believers in the Biblical God. These were not philosophers, these were the men who actually discovered the great scientific truths of the enlightenment – they were the men who made the scientific revolution of the enlightenment happen. A partial list would include Isaac Newton, Copernicus, Gallileo, Michael Faraday, and Max Plank, You would be in good company here.

    Even Albert Einstein understood that there is never a conflict between science and faith in God. Such conflict only occurs in smaller minds.

    “the doctrine of a personal G-d interfering with natural events could never be refuted… by science, for [it] can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot.” Albert Einstein

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/avi/shafran_einstein.php3

  • Charles

    Mental Marcus!
    “There is no such thing as a Jewish race (but there is a lot of Jewish Bullshit)”

    Hmm, my friend is the Pastor of his own Christian Church and IS Jewish, says it’s a race and Judaism is a religion…That is fact for him…You are not a Jew, so who the hell cares what an anti-semite thinks?
    LOL! Yer a nerd, ya know it? I’m Cherokee dumbass, That’s my race. I don’t give a fuck what some white dude sittin in a cozy office writes and says as recognized…You’re an idiot.

    The United States Census Bureau defines a Jew as any person who is atleast nominally a believer of the religion (really a cult) of Judaism.

    “Also I sincerely hope that the “god” who imbued David with the command to decapitate another human being is not my God, the Creator who the founding fathers invoked in drafting the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The “god” of Davy also inspired the murderous Jewish king to kill his friend so he could marry his wife, and thump young virgins on his death bed.”
    Wow you are stupid dude…You are a fucking retard!!! Read PSALMS you numbnut, if God inspired David, why in the hell did his hand of protection get lifted so the peoples hearts were hardened against him?!?! Are you WILLINGLY IGNORANT or SOCIALLY? Inspired to do Psalms 35, 69, 109, etc….IS outright FEAR, Anger and finally the feeling of Injustice…He BEGGED God to hold court you twit, and JUDGE HIM for his actions whilst judging his false accusers….HE KNEW he fucked up and what was going on and he was TERRIFIED! LEarn before you speak Intellectual dude, you’re embarassing.

    Last time I checked, liberals said Al-Qaida wasn’t in Iraq…So your statement is false. Liberals/Democrats never lie(right?)…So if they aren’t there, then it isn’t them doing the bombings, kidnappings, executions, etc…Geeze, are you that fucking stupid? OR you’re correct and the Dems are fucking liars….Hmmm

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    Wow, your pastor says Jews are a race so it must be true. I mean an expert on theology must also be an expert on anthropology. Damn those stuck up scientists, who only recognize 5 races; they are anti-semites.

    The Catholic Church once said that the earth was flat, so it must also be true.

    /sarc

  • Charles

    No, Mental Marcus, that is not what I said. I said my best friend that is a Pastor of his own church, not MY church.  Again I say, I am not a Catholic, why do you keep bringing them up? Nobody on here has claimed to be a Catholic, do you hate Catholics for some reason? You ignored me as well, I am Cherokee fucker…Not South Indies, not Aztec, not Incan…I am Cherokee, or from a race known as Cherokee. Get it stupid? And when it comes to jewish shit, hmmm..Whom should I believe, a Jew or your stupid ass?

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    Cherokee’s are not a race freeptard.

    Cherokee was a broad term that the white colonials gave to a group of Indians living in the American Southeast. Today, the term Cherokee is applied to three bands of Indians who together form the Cherokee Nation.

    The Cherokee’s are part of the American race; they are not a race just by themselves.

    And you should definitely believe me over the Jews. Unlike the Jews I give evidence to back up my claims/opinions. Unlike Jews I dont worship murderers, rapists, and pedophiles such as Moses and David.

    And unlike Jews I dont call the Virgin Mary a Jewish whore, and Jesus a bastard and false messiah.

  • julius

    We know Marcus that you dont worship Rapists,murders,or pedophiles,But your Culture is not innocent either,Different tribes constantly murdered,raped,stole from each other,Human sacrafices to false Gods and totems,I think this would fall in the catagory of paganism and idolotry.Modern day new agers and the like gave your people the sympathy vote,But Natives were far from perfect.Starvation,cannabalism,pedophilia,existed,long before the white man arrived.I am not saying what they did was right but now is the time all good people both infidels and others work for world peace.Anger only distorts one thoughts and can lead to murder,So lets all chill the fuck out and keep things in perspective.

  • Charles

    MArcus, stfu and learn. Don’t tell me my shit, and I won’t own yours. Loosely translated it’s Cherokee. I can tell ya to fuck off in CHEROKEE if you want, but you wouldn’t understand it. Just like nobody would understand my fucking tribes name, you fuckin retard. I’m not MEXICAN, I am American, I do not expect EVERYONE to learn my birth language you fucktard… I am Cherokee by race bitch, that’s the way 459 of my relatives were raised and aint no damn white person bitch like you gonna change it. Get it? Jews are a race, Judaism is a religion or for shitfucks like you A BELIEF. You didn’t give shit squat for nothing, you big mouth lil punk. I crap bigger than you. I could care less what you call Jesus, you should stupid. Cuz if we are wrong, there’s no harm and no foul…IF YOU ARE WRONG, guess the ending to that???? Duh? Christians aint done shit that other raises and/or religion didn’t do before it or after…Crusades? LEarn yer damn history fool, the muslims were tyrants from the get! Sally as I call Imad ed-Din, Saladin was just 1 piece of shit….

    And Julius, my peeps wrongs are well noted in our history, whites are the ones that covered it up, not us. And it’s a lot worse than what you typed. Whites were assholes, but it was TIT for TAT.

    To a non anything you should have this as a belief:
    Judaism is a belief, not a fact.
    Christianity is a belief, not a fact.
    All religions are beliefs, not facts.
    Evolution is a BELIEF , not a fact.

    Get it? You claim 1 thing, but harangue Christianity…That’s odd. Wouldn’t that be like Ronald Reagen or Bill Clinton claiming to be Independent?

    You want to know about MY race Marcus, stop listening to old white guys that dont get laid, and actually ask me. Otherwise, STFU….Same for Jews…You twit!

    NOWHERE in the King James Version of the Bible, does it mention MARY’S age….Anything else, like Evolution, would be hypothetical…Despite what idiots say in Davinci Code type books…

  • Charles

    AP reporting:

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is calling Israel a “germ of corruption” that will be “removed soon.”

    The comments were posted Wednesday on his presidential Web site. They appear to be part of an effort to defuse criticism by hard-liners over recent remarks made by a high-level official.
    Last week, Iranian media quoted Vice President Esfandiar Rahim Mashai as saying Iranians were “friends of all people in the world – even Israelis.”
    The comments were rare from a government official in Iran. They sparked domestic criticism of Mashai, with some officials calling for his resignation.
    -0-0
    Hrmmm…Boy it’s a good God damned thing Iran loves jews! WHOOOOOPTY DOO!!

  • Ferheen

    These quotes are false, and fabricated, its easy to write down random quotes and then state that their from the quaran when they are not
    Islam does not teach that women are inferior to men, it promotes the idea that men and woman are equal, and what other muslims say does not mean that it is actually islam. Muslim women wear burkas and such but that is not because the religion says that they must wear it, but rather overbearing men who misuse religion in order to fulfill their own goals. Its very much how the KKK used quotes from the bible in order to justify slavery. Chirstainity is anti- slavery and racism, but that did not the KKK from justifying their actions through Chirstainity. Honor killings, burkas, repression, not allowing women to vote, or to attend school or get jobs is all not apart of islam, and in fact islam condemns such actions.

  • jennyjen

    Ferheen,
    The Islam that is prominent in today’s society seems to be the exact opposite of what you describe. You’re gonna have to do better than that sparky! Quote us some reality then if the verses are wrong?!? And where does Islam condemn these actions, I haven’t seen or heard much out of them besides suicide bombings and oppression on anything that is not Islam.

  • Charles

    Sorry stud, but facts are facts and my quotes are dead on balls
    accurate. Nice try tho! See, I back up my shit with legit translations,
    you back up yours with your opinion. Understand the difference?
    Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia…The list goes on killa!
    All of it is practiced by muslims. Two muslim women stood on
    the steps of a building that was to house the Miss World pageant
    in India. What did they do? Doused themselves in gasoline and
    then lit themselves on fire to protest the bikini portion. Yes, that’s
    intelligent teaching. You’re Imam regurgitation of comparing
    radicals to the KKK or the Christians/Bible is nonsense. Christians
    and the teachings of it in churches have done nothing but evolve.
    Islam/Muslims and the Quaran are still thousands of years of the
    same. Nice try tho!

  • Charles

    Now JennyJen…You and I are crazy, the nice muslims in the Sudan
    are just lied about in the media…Darfur? Silly woman! That’s a
    nice place to vacation!

  • Deborah

    to Moni and Muslimah –
    You say that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.  I say Satan rules the earth and is a great liar, so it just makes sense that your religion is picking up converts. You show your ignorance of the rest of the world and when you foam at the mouth is is  very Islamic.

  • Ferheen

    To jennyjen,
    Do you personally know any Muslims, or do you live in like middle america? Because in reality, yes there are muslims, who do commit horrible atrosities on mankind and women, but dont men of every religion, race and nation  carry out such horrendous crimes? Not to say that justifies, but i just think your misaccurately blaming Islam, when you should blame their cultures and society of those countries.  Not all muslims are like that. The moderate or liberal muslim never recieves a voice in our society, because it is does not make for good headlines. The overwhelming majority of muslims condemn the vicious crimes that occur. Islam came into play during a time period when the arabs, were burying their female childs alive, and islam stopped that. Islam gave women the right to vote in the 14th century. Women were allowed to hold jobs, and in fact the prophet’s wife was a one of arab’s most successful merchants. Women were allowed to own land, and everything. And I think it is not Islam that needs to change, but these backwards cultures of countries in the Middle East. but yeah even though i may have insulted you previously, i think that in general you would be surprised to see the opinions of the majority which are moderate muslims, like ahmadjinedad is a fruitcake, i met one of his advisiors, and i basically was condemned by him for being a heretic, it was kinda lovely, a compliment in fact! But just in general i think the media helps fuel this image that the minority actions represent the majority which is not the case, just like in many muslim countries they fuel anti western propaganda. and i think even other chirstains have believed in putting down our govt and crushing it, thats not islam speaking, thats politics, those are just pakistanis who dont like our govt, and although destroying us is impossible, and not very good for them seeing that we give them bilions. and allah is god, there is no difference, its like saying god in spanish. and there are milions of muslims, yes millions who love the United States, and our rights, and would never give it up for anything.
    Charles
    well lets start with the
    10) it says not “to do what you would like with your wives” , but it says that “treat you wives with some good acts”, and the whole field thing is a metaphor, i mean you can take it as negative metaphor, but it can also be interpreted by believing that wives are like fields, you need them to survive, and they are the very core and essence of your being.
    9) it says that men are more accountable in the divorce, not that women are lesser.
    8) it talks about inheritance if there is no will, and for the most part the male is the one who works, and the wife is taken care of finicially by the husband, but later in the quran it does state that circumstances such as a wealthier son than daughter, then this should be void
    7)   its only applicable to loans as it states previously, and that is b/c of the woman may marry the man, so it is just a precaution to make sure her biases dont cloud the loans.
    6) this is true, but it is also applicable to a male, so that divorce is not treated like a joke, you cant just marry and then decide to get a divorce and then married again                                                                                                       5) States that you can seek their hand in marriage, not have them as sexual slaves, it actually specifically states that you cant have them for such reason “Provided you seek them in marrriage, not lust or illicit sexual conduct”
    4) and yes polygamy is allowed, but the first wife has the right to object, then a husband get cant married to another wife, she can also get a divorce. and polygamy is only for rare situations, such as war has killed most of the men, so there are women who need support. but women dont have to get married if they choose not to
    3) its not saying u can just get rid of your wife, it says the verse above it if the women fears cruelty or desrtation on her husband’s part, she can leave the relationship, it is not the man’s place to decide such, but rather a womens
    2) It doesnt say beat, it says to strike out of their home
    1) these quotes are like from two different paragraphs, when it talks about prepubscent girls, it not referring to the previous statements, it talking about making sure that a women lives the same style of life as you, and not to restrict them for anything that you have, so that would apply to your wife, and to your prebusecent female child as well. not your prepubscent wife, thats gross!
    clearly you must have a better version of the quran that i do, i mean being a muslim, they hand out the fake ones to us. And also i think personal biases cloud intrepretations, maybe you shouldn’t hate so much, although not going to lie, its hard not to hate a religion, when you see as the reasons for all ur misfortunes, but its not the religion, but more so the cultures and societies that cause for mistreatment of women and suicide bombing and just things like that.

  • jennyjen

    To Ferheen- Yeah, there is a growing number of Muslims where I live, some of which I see assimilating to American lifestyle and I feel better around them than I do around the all-American Tweekers that live down the road. Trust me, I know that any religion or race will have it’s nutjobs, it just seems like Muslims and Islam got more than their fair share.
    You seem like you could have a good head on your shoulders, and my mind is never made-up.  I’m open to change- hell, I welcome it if it means no more suicide bombings and the fair treatment of women in all countries.  Get the moderates to neutralize the extremists, stop blowing up Israel and we can all live happily ever after!

  • Charles

    What is “it” in your reference of IT says.  You must be reading that clean white peoples quaran. Nowhere does it state ANYTHING like what you’ve said without violence following you silly ass… Yes it’s such a peaceful misunderstood religion, that in ORDER to fucking stop it which started in with the muslim conquest of Jerusalem in 638, although delayed as a response, the Crusades began to combat muslim aggression! Stop your silly bullshit, I’m not a nerd that will be spoon-fed your crap about islam or muslims.  Let’s quote the diffs, shall we?

    Mark 13:3 (Jesus)
    And you will be hated by all for my name’s sake.
    But he who endures to the end will be saved.

    Quran 60:4
    There is for you an excellent example to
    follow in Abraham and those with him, when they
    said to their people: “We are clear of you and of
    whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected
    you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity
    and hatred for ever, unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone.”

  • Masud Isa

    I have read the Quran. The verses quoted above are from the Quran and most of the Muslims dont know whats in the Quran and dont bother to know the meanings. Unfortunately, women are treated as objects of sex and lust in the Quran and their status is truly low compared to the male. Those who cant accept the truths  please read the Quran yourself and read various translations as well to assure yourself. Like many of the translators who use brackets to justify the contents the way they like to see it – so read without the brackets , like the use of the word “lighty” while beating the wife in the QURAN. I am sorry to say it. I am a Muslim and I have read this. You accept or reject it is up to you. QURAN is a man made book with Arab ethos, culture and tradition in it and Muhammad naturally is the product of his environment. Please dont defend your faith blindly – do try to understand it, read , read and read , be courageous to ask questions, search for knowledge and find out the truth. God does not create inequity and injustice and does not have human frailties. When blind faith leads us to accept injustice  it bemoans the intellect that the Creator of the Universe has given us.

  • jennyjen

    It?? Oh, I mean change, not the Barry O version of it but the realistic sense of it. You know, where people adopt good common sense and realize the Koran is nothing more than a power-trip book written by a pedophile to justify his vile actions. Yeah, I know- it’s a total long shot but one can dream right?

  • Kal

    Masud,

    You hit the nail on the head regarding blind faith.

  • Ameroni

    OK guys…those verses are not complete, so continue writing the “whole” verse then see the difference in meaning, in Islam, you should read more than one verse to get an idea of what God is telling us.
    Well, what about this verse from Al-Nisa
    “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great”
    This verse is frequently interpreted as giving women complete control over their own income and property, while obliging men to be responsible for maintaining their female relatives. A small minority of Muslims interprets the verse as meaning men have an everlasting superiority over women, and thus the authority to beat women with few regulations. This interpretation, however, is neither mainstream nor supported by any prominent Muslim religious leader.

    Muslim scholars cite sayings and traditions of Muhammad in relation to this verse.


    The most perfect believer in faith is one who is the best of them in good conduct. The best of you is one who treats best with his wife among you.”

    I hope you begin to “understand” the beauty of Islam and other religions :)
    Thanks.

  • The Kat

    Thank you for posting this.  It is my belief that Islam is, by and large, harmful to women.  However, you could find just as many terrible quotes towards women in the Bible, easily.  The sooner people realize that it is not just Islam, but all organized religion that is a threat to human freedom and well-being, the better.  I don’t seriously believe Islam is any better or worse than other religions.  They all teach that human beings should not be free and upright, sovereign over their own lives, but instead should be slaves to an invisible, tyrannical master whose wishes can never be truly known.

  • jennyjen

    Free will?? I believe that’s what we all have. The ability to make up one’s mind using one’s own judgment and basic belief in what is right and good. The Golden Rule- do unto others as you should have them do unto you! It doesn’t mean your judgment is to be based on religion but most of the time, for me anyways, it is my Christian faith combined with my in general badassness.  :)
    Islam doesn’t allow free will if your will doesn’t reflect your religion then you are a bad Muslim and there’s a possibility you will be stoned, hung or beheaded. Im just happy to report that I am not a Muslim, will never practice Islam and God help the asshole who tries to inflict it upon me!

  • Bridget

    This is ridiculous, there are very similar quotes in the Bible.

  • Kal

    Bridget,

    Where is your proof? Or do you have none?

  • Rudy

    Now your just being ignorant, It’s like me asking all the christians to stop raping women, being arsonists and jumping off cliffs. Every religion has its flaws not only islam. I could also take phrases from the bibel and make them sound degrading if i put my own theories out. And you make it sound as if every muslim does jihad (“blow themselves up”) wich is ofcourse incorrect, becouse if it infact was true it would mean that 1,5 billion (amount of muslims that exicst) people would do jihad and nevertheless the milions of people that would die with them. You should do your homework abit more often before posting such stupid comments.

  • http://www.zhann.com zhann

    Here are some nice bible quotes for you:

    Rape is Ok …
    Deuteronomy 20:10-14 –
    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

    Murder is ok too …
    Deuteronomy 17:12
    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.

    Killing Homosexuals is a must …
    Leviticus 20:13
    If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.

    Killing non-believers is the word of God, remind you of anyone?? …
    2 Chronicles 15:12-13
    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 

    Shall I continue?

  • Josh

    Ever read the New Testament, Zhann? It’s a little different than the Old Testament. Why no New Testament quotes?

  • Tonto (USA)

    So what?  The Jesus Christ that I know didn’t write or preach that.  And Jesus Christ is the only one that counts with me.  Certainly not some moon-god named allah ( whose real name is ar rahman….or something like that)

  • http://www.zhann.com zhann

    Just a little background on Jews … they don’t believe in Jesus, they believe in what you call the “Old Testament”.  However, a little background on Christians, the Old Testament is a valid representation of God’s will.  So logically, if the God of the Jews was Ok with killing, raping, pillaging and a great deal more, your God is ok with that too.  Oh, and one last thing, the Muslims also stem from the Old Testament, hence their God is the same as your God.  You all worship the same God, have the same rules, yet somehow you just can’t get along.  Strange, no? 

  • jennyjen

    The Pedophile Chronicles is a combo of the old Testament and the Torah Scrolls. The bible has been translated many times and by tyrants and kings who wanted to use it to further their own agenda. Sound familiar?
    I believe that the bible is a collection of stories, both good and bad that one uses to guide themselves thru this journey of life.  It should not be taken word for word, just like the Koran and other holy books.  If you choose to follow the bad, so be it, you will be judged in the end. If you choose to learn from the mistakes of the past, progress your thinking and become a better person- you got the point. Make life better for yourself and all around you. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you and make peace where you can.
    Muslims are not making peace, they are making war. That (among other things) is why we can’t get along.

  • KATHY

    IM A HAPPY MARRIED WIFE TO A MUSLIM READ THE QUARAN BEFORE POSTING UR STUPID QUOTES…………….

  • Liz

    Poor woman married into a religion of mysogney, honor killings (yes it happens here in the US) and more millions illiterate people than any religion in the known world.  Hmmm…I don’t care what the Quaran says. I’m a Christian and my book says all I need to know. the only power your religion has is power of men with guns, bombs and knives.  My God heals, delivers from demons, raises the dead…yes even today, brings peace…you have nothing to offer. If you kill me, I know where I’m going. This life is only a vapor, a moment, and is only the beginning.  I feel sorry for you. 

  • jillia

    Alright people – she’s telling US TO READ THE KORAN? LMAO.  Honey, you need to read the koran!  We know all to well what’s in that violent, hateful book.  Guys, I don’t want to even touch this one.  This one is too ignorant for me – so what does everyone want to tell this person who tells us to read the koran?

  • Charles

    First off, the muslims God is not the Jews/Christians or the Old Testaments God. It’s a Bastardized version of Muhammed. He probably got picked on for being a bitch, no chicks dug him…So he did bullshit where he could have sex with any chick at any age.  No offense bro, to equate anything from the quaran with the Old Testament, is just outright offensive stupidity. That would be STUPIDITY on purpose with no value. Nowhere in the OT does God say “Rape them bitches” or anything like it. Does that make you retarded on purpose or an appeaser or both? You know it.
    =-
    Next asshole that posts some bullshit singing the praises of islam or the muslim faith, at least have the brain activity level of a gnat and research history. Start with the year 608. Get it?  FFS Muslims back then PREFERRED living in Christian held lands as opposed to muslim ones, cuz they had more rights…Get a damn life fools. Even the hillbilly muslims of the past had more brains that you CAIR supporters today…

    I giggle at the mention of the “religion of peace” or is it “pieces”?

  • Liz

    What an interesting thread. I just read it from the beginning.  I wonder if some of these people live here who spout their hatred for all things western. Do they realize that people, non islamic people, infidels,  have died for them to have the FREEDOM to say whatever they want?  If they hate the west so much why are they here? Why not move to Saudi or Iran? They could practice all the Islam they want with no arguments. This is a free country, and we intend to remain that way. And they are free too…but it’s a mystery why they would stay in a country filled with people they hate.

  • Charles

    It’s simple really…Their goal is to convert everyone to their beliefs thru any means necessary. Logically, as you put it…Why live here if you are not wanted, go o Iran, Pakistan, etc…where Islam is the rule and law. They don’t. That should set off the bells of any rational person. I mean, if I were gay, I wouldn’t move to an Islamic country, would I? No, fear of death. So why the fuck would you move here to practice your muslim/islamic faith, if you know it’s a majority ruled country by Christians? Exactly! To tear it apart from within equating to: A house divided cannot stand.

  • Liz

    Charles…I think my question was rhetorical. I believe that too. It’t like my 20 year old daughter wanted to be a hippie and live at home. I told her to go and really be one. The see how much she likes it.   These people want all the freedom and benefits we offer. They don’t really want to live in a repressive Islamic society. But they trumpet the “goodness” of that very thing. I say…be a Muslim. Go live where Islamic law rules. Really experience the reality of that rule. And then tell me how wonderful it is. Don’t live here taking advantage of all the freedom and tell us how fantastic it is to live under repression and tyrrany.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Liz  & Charles you are so right, and that would be the cure.  We don’t want people here that just enjoys our country’s freedom and hate’s America, so just leave.

    This has got to stop, and Obama would make America a Muslim nation, but won’t be able to.  He’s a friggin’ loser.  The video of ‘Hitler as Barack’ is a scream.  Brilliant!   mosquewatch.blogspot.com 

  • FAR

    Oooo we have a lot of CIA paid for bloggers and blog posters eh?
    Can I have some money? The secularist wont give me a job because I don’t look, behave or promote secularism or Christianity or Judaism or anti-islam.
    http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/toc.html
     
    And we all know what Jesus says.
     
    He says in matthew 7:23
    “…f*ck off, noob.”
    Damn that Jesus has a foul mouth.

  • Deborah

    Rudy – 1.5 billion Muslims.   10% want to kill infidels. You do the math. Lots of f*cking crazy muslims.  And FAR -  it says depart from me, lawless ones. You must be muslim, you are foaming at the mouth and showing your inbred ignorance. You don’t have any money because your islamic goverments are so corrupt  and  because you are too busy hating and being a whack-job.

  • Rudy

    Well i guess you stayed out on the school yard while others were actually learning something becouse you sound like a dumb wanker to me. Im no Muslim, and i know that the meaning with islam is greater than what you have seen on TV. We christians are showing our true side at times  of chrises like this. It feels like we have been waiting for someone to blame for all our misstakes. And you are by far the most ignorant dumb c*nt ive seen in ages. Add this to your knowledge: Islamic people got more money than your goverment could offer. 6/10 richest ppl are Muslims, and i bet i could sell my dogg for more paper than your shaggy mother would get for you. So i guess my “wack-job” is paying off quite good

  • Deborah

    You are not a Christian in any sense and you write like an ignoramus. Try using spellcheck!
    Where do you get your information -  “Islamic people got more money than your goverment could offer. 6/10 richest ppl are Muslims” ? 
    This thread is about how islam is oppressive to women and reading all the responses from people like you just reinforce that. 
    And you were foaming at the mouth with your “impressive’ personal attack on me.

  • far

    Yo Debbs,

    foaming? You want me to foam? You telling me who I should be? I got enough of that from the women at college.

    And you were rude to me? Hmm Jesus had many things to say to you folk, but couldn’t. I’m guessing communication was one of those things.

    Anyway, what matthew 7:21-13 says, refers to people say “in jesus’s name”, and jesus curses such people.

    Rudy… Quran 96:3-8, refer to it. And then you’ll know what mistake you just made.

    Wait a minute, rudy is a muslim? Oh no, rudy is defending muslims…

    Well let’s see what the Quran say’s about communication, since Jesus couldn’t say.

    “This Reading (Quran) guides to the best path, and brings good news to the believers who lead a righteous life, that they have deserved a great recompense.” (17:9)

    Always Respond to a ‘Greeting’:
    “When greeted with a greeting, you shall respond with a better greeting or at least an equal one. GOD reckons all things.” (4:86)
    “O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation: “Thou art not a believer!”…” (4:94)
    Always Say ‘Good’ things:
    “Do you not see that GOD has cited the example of a good word as a good tree whose root is firmly fixed, and its branches are high in the sky. It produces its crop every season, as designed by its Lord. GOD thus cites the examples for the people, that they may take heed.” (14:24-25)
    Be ‘Humble’, and speak ‘Lightly’:
    “Walk humbly and lower your voice, the ugliest voice is the donkey’s voice.” (31:19)
    Invite to GOD with wisdom and kindness:
    “Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.” (16:125)
    “It was mercy from GOD that you became compassionate towards them. Had you been harsh and mean-hearted, they would have abandoned you. Therefore, you shall pardon them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult them. Once you make a decision, carry out your plan, and trust in GOD. GOD loves those who trust in Him.” (3:159)
    Be Kind to your parents:
    “Your Lord has decreed that you shall not worship except Him, and your parents shall be honored. As long as one or both of them live, you shall never say to them, “Uff” (the slightest gesture of annoyance), nor shall you shout at them; you shall treat them amicably. And lower for them the wings of humility, and kindness, and say, “My Lord, have mercy on them, for they have raised me from infancy.” (17:23-24)
    Suppress Anger & Forgive People:
    “who (the righteous) give to charity during the good times, as well as the bad times. They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people. GOD loves the charitable.” (3:134)
    Counter Evil with Good:
    “Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.” (41:34)
    “They steadfastly persevere in seeking their Lord, observe the Link (Salat), spend from our provisions to them secretly and publicly, and counter evil with good. These have deserved the best abode.” (13:22)
    Do NOT Say ‘Bad’ things:
    “And the example of the bad word is that of a bad tree chopped at the soil level; it has no roots to keep it firm.” (14:26)
    Do NOT be ‘Arrogant’ or ‘Carefree’:
    “You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth carefree. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs.” (31:18)
    Do NOT engage in ‘ignorant’ talk:
    “The servants of the Almighty are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace.” (25:63)
    Do NOT Curse the Idolaters:
    “And do not curse those who call on other than GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done.” (6:108)
    Do NOT make fun of others, or call them names:
    “O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors.” (49:11)
    Do NOT be suspicious, or spy on one another, or backbite:
    “O you who believe, if a wicked person brings any news to you, you shall first investigate, lest you commit injustice towards some people, out of ignorance, then become sorry and remorseful for what you have done.” (49:6)
    “O you who believe, you shall avoid any suspicion, for even a little bit of suspicion is sinful. You shall not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite one another; this is as abominable as eating the flesh of your dead brother. You certainly abhor this. You shall observe GOD. GOD is Redeemer, Most Merciful.” (49:12)
    Do NOT be ‘Racist’:
    “O people, We created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant.” (49:13)

  • Deborah

    My goodness, you are too funny!! Read what you posted and look then at the “verses” you posted. Guess you go against your own book.  College, you???  HAhahahahahaha!

  • Deborah

    These verses are found in Proverbs in the Christian bible. They apply to you FAR and I will not answer anymore of you ridiculous posts!
    The stupidity of fools is most evident in their speech (14:3; 18:7), which conceals hatred and slanders others (10:18), continuously spouts stupidity and folly (15:2), reveals the foolishness of their heart (15:7), provokes only anger and fighting (18:6), and does not speak proverbs appropriately (26:7, 9). Thus, excellent speech is unfitting for such individuals (17:7), and so the only recourse is simply for them to quit talking (17:28).
    So stop talking.

  • far

    You’re going to stop talking to me?

  • far

    Sorry which verses are taken from the proverbs?

  • FAR

    Yo charles, the arabs of the Gulf state are well… well those arab women demand! ? If you cannot afford the bridal gift they ask for, then that’s you. And they ask for millions.
     
    Charles, you could use some of those Quran quotes I posted above.
     
    Also, please refer to
     
    http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html
    I hear the CIA (term used generally for corrupt intending agencies) give these people full time jobs.
     
    Yo charles, didn’t Jesus teach love? And forgivness x number (was that 400 or 70) of times
     
    psalms 35
    1 Plead my cause, O LORD, with them that strive with me: fight against them that fight against me.

    2 Take hold of shield and buckler, and stand up for mine help.

    3 Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation.

    4 Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt.

    5 Let them be as chaff before the wind: and let the angel of the LORD chase them.

    6 Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them.

    7 For without cause have they hid for me their net in a pit, which without cause they have digged for my soul.

    8 Let destruction come upon him at unawares; and let his net that he hath hid catch himself: into that very destruction let him fall.

    9 And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD: it shall rejoice in his salvation.

    10 All my bones shall say, LORD, who is like unto thee, which deliverest the poor from him that is too strong for him, yea, the poor and the needy from him that spoileth him?

    11 False witnesses did rise up; they laid to my charge things that I knew not.

    12 They rewarded me evil for good to the spoiling of my soul.

    13 But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom.

    14 I behaved myself as though he had been my friend or brother: I bowed down heavily, as one that mourneth for his mother.

    15 But in mine adversity they rejoiced, and gathered themselves together: yea, the abjects gathered themselves together against me, and I knew it not; they did tear me, and ceased not:

    16 With hypocritical mockers in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth.

    17 Lord, how long wilt thou look on? rescue my soul from their destructions, my darling from the lions.

    18 I will give thee thanks in the great congregation: I will praise thee among much people.

    19 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause.

    20 For they speak not peace: but they devise deceitful matters against them that are quiet in the land.

    21 Yea, they opened their mouth wide against me, and said, Aha, aha, our eye hath seen it.

    22 This thou hast seen, O LORD: keep not silence: O Lord, be not far from me.

    23 Stir up thyself, and awake to my judgment, even unto my cause, my God and my Lord.

    24 Judge me, O LORD my God, according to thy righteousness; and let them not rejoice over me.

    25 Let them not say in their hearts, Ah, so would we have it: let them not say, We have swallowed him up.

    26 Let them be ashamed and brought to confusion together that rejoice at mine hurt: let them be clothed with shame and dishonour that magnify themselves against me.

    27 Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.

    28 And my tongue shall speak of thy righteousness and of thy praise all the day long.

    Amen!
     
     
    Pslams 69 & 109 is far too harsh for our enemies after we learned of Jesus’s and then Muhammed’s message.
     
    But unfortunately, the curse of the above chapters have occurred.
     
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=iraq+ptsd&search_type=&aq=f
     
    By the way charles, who is allah? Well they had it in the arabic christian bible, until they changed it to al ilah (which is the biggest joke amongst the arabs, because allah is “al ilah” [the god] but with grammar).
     
    http://www.islamicity.com/quransearch/action.lasso.asp?-db=Quran&-lay=Topics&-format=Reply_SubTopics.asp&-max=30&-op=eq&Topic=Abraham&-Sortorder=ascend&-Sortfield=subtopic&-find
    That is my religion above, refer to the links there.
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM11SAEixY4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpd-Ek1-RRc
     
    http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/toc.html
    Charles, I recommend that to you, but it’s a long read. But it will explain many things.
     
     
    Oh and if anyone said (or you thought they said) that muslims fear women, then that’s not the case. Muslim males duties is to be loving and kind to women, and give them pocket money (poket money for my wife would be minimum £40 a week) and thats even if shes working. Why you say? Because this is the example of the prophet and the Quran.
    “Men are leaders over women, because of the fact that Allah has favored one over the other, and because of the fact that they spend out of their wealth upon them” (quran 4:34)
    Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Number 291:

    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    Hind (bint ‘Utba) said to the Prophet “Abu Sufyan is a miserly man and I need to take some money of his wealth.” The Prophet said, “Take reasonably what is sufficient for you and your children ”
    According to Imam Al-Bukhari, a woman is permitted to entertain and feed others from her husband’s wealth in FAIR measure without waiting for his permission.
    http://www.islamfortoday.com/womens_rights_references.htm

  • jennyjen

    I will agree that the “ugliest voice is that of a donkey’s”. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Biden….the beginning of a long list of jackasses!!

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  • Charles

    Soz stupid Far, you took a Psalm out of context. Time to be schooled.

    David who in essence ignored God and his, lusted so badly after married woman, he sent her husband into battle in the front lines to die so he could have sex with her. It happened, and he did. So the LORD THY GOD(not allah), said “K, time to teach a lesson to my main peep”…He removed his hand of protection from King David…

    So skip ahead, psalms begins because David said “Fuck you God”….Enter Psalm 35…Titled: God the Avenger. David said “Screw this, I’m fucked, and bowed down before the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and basically said this:”
    “I have defiled thy name, but I am persecuted for crimes I did not commit. I ask YOU GOD, to be my Judge and Jury and I ask that the trial of my soul be held here and now.” <— The entire opening of Psalm 35 is the Defendents opening remarks… He stated his case and asked/pleaded with God to Judge him and his accusers…Read Psalms 69 n 109 for other nice requests…Although you heard me before and ignore it…Harsh? Hardly, when put into context. You are apart of the punks that believe Jesus is a hippy with a flower in his hair above his ear….As I stated, skip ahead to Revelations. Muhammed is a joke, Allah as praised by the muslims is a tool…You are a dork for supporting blasphemy, the entire islam nation is condemned by the word of God. Quote and quote, the bible does not lie. Unless Jesus spoke it, don’t quote him as tho he did.

    I dont read arabic bibles, I read Greek. So don’t waste MY time quoting arabic, kid…Curses are/were done and no more the second Christ died on the Cross…Get it? Sins are/were paid for. The fact that you are attempting to quote
    the Judeo or/and Christian bible/philosophy to back up an obvious cult like muslims/islam is silly. Go back to yer hole Saddam….Yer owned.

  • FAR

    Charles: “…muslim conquest of Jerusalem in 638, although delayed as a response, the Crusades began to combat muslim aggression! ”
     
    You forget that the Jews were banned from entering Jerusalem until the mu’slims had taken over the Roman area known as Palestine, the first time in 500 (or was that 300) years were the  Jews allowed to return.

  • FAR

    Comment by jennyjen on 22 September 2008:

    I will agree that the “ugliest voice is that of a donkey’s”. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Biden….the beginning of a long list of jackasses!!

     
    ______
     
    I’d disagree, as they use a sweet tongue, they’re most likely hypocrites than donkies (though democratic emblem is that of a donkey).  As they all share beds.
     
    You read Greek?
    So what’s this say:
    Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
    I believe Jesus is a hippy? WTF?
    Jesus commanded his disciples to hold swords, and protect him while he was worshipping to the god.
     
    Are you sure I read it out of context, or did you give it to me out of context?
     
    You do know that the mu’slims are the largest single religious group on the planet (or do you want to believe that the secularists are a group, I would have thought they were pop-slaves)
    And the number of (well educated) Christian becomming muslim is greater than the number of all the (low educated third world country) muslims becomming christian.
    As for Christ dieing on the cross, how about asking Jesus when he comes back. Then again one could always refer to the gospels.
    Then again you may prefer to believe in an idea that you have to accept one persons sacrifice for some next persons sacrifice to save you. Though, sounds pretty illogical to me, and doesn’t sound like  Deuteronomy 24:16… Seriously, if you got rid of where ever you learned such an idea. So… how do you figure out which is the contradiction and which is the word of the god? You use the Quran (chp 3 verse 1-4).
     

  • jennyjen

    The Democrats share a common voice and a common symbol. It is my opinion that they are Jackasses. Disagree all you want, it is a free country. You know One Nation, Under God, Indivisible with Liberty and Justice for All. Sharia Law doesn’t recognize that, so I will not respect it.

  • fahim

    If you are unable to understand the Quran, this does not mean Quran is wrong.
    I have a question for you as an argument.
    If that so then why are so many women converting to Islam in your so called liberal west?

  • Kal

    fahim,
    Where are your numbers showing so many women converting to islam? I’d like to see your proof.

    Being unable to understand the quran does not change the fact that the quran was used by the mufti of Tripoli (now called Libya) as justification for attacking American merchant ships in the Mediterranean during the 1780′s. Nor does it erase that in the majority of jihad attacks by muslims, the jihadi usually was recruited in the name of islam, because the quran states that he who fights that islam should be superior fights for allah.

  • jennyjen

    To quote the Great American John Wayne, “Life’s hard, it’s even harder if you’re stupid!” They are making life harder on themselves.  I think the last statistic said that one out of every 4 or 5 American’s have a less than average IQ. Also, I don’t think its that they are converting as much as they are “marrying into” the bullshit.
    What about the number of Muslims converting to Christianity? That’s punishable by death in Iran, gotta love that kind of freedom.
    Also, I don’t have to understand the Koran, I understand what people do in the name of Islam, following the doctrine of the Koran. That’s enough for me.  You’re truly wasting your time arguing with me about this, I will never see your side, as you will never see mine.
    Long Live the Infidels!!!

  • Charles

    Fahim, don’t be a hater. Not aware of any female conversions enmasse…The ones I am aware of, are because the woman is thinking with the part of the body that is generally removed underal muslim rule. Get it?

  • Charles

    The lines === on top and bottom surround your words… Anything out is my reply.

    ===
    I’d disagree, as they use a sweet tongue, they’re most likely hypocrites than donkies (though democratic emblem is that of a donkey).  As they all share beds.
    ===
    They don’t use sweet tongues, they lap up BS.

     ===
    You read Greek?
    So what’s this say:
    Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
    ===
    Yes I do actually, as well as 2 tongues in Cherokee, Spanish, German, French , Japanese and oddly enough I feel compelled to sadly admit to my kids I now know Klingon. I’m like the almighty killa, I don’t do tests to prove what I say.  Although I could curse at you  7 languages(not english) and not get banned and you wouldn’t have a friggin clue what I said. Less you cheat of course and use the languages input option in Explorer…Or did you? LoL!

    ===
    I believe Jesus is a hippy? WTF?
    Jesus commanded his disciples to hold swords, and protect him while he was worshipping to the god.
    ===
    Peeps like you do, as usual. No he didn’t, there was no “the god” int he Bible. There was only THE God. But hey, nice try?

    === 
    Are you sure I read it out of context, or did you give it to me out of context?
    ===
    Vague is lame, try something else. Positive.

    ===
    You do know that the mu’slims are the largest single religious group on the planet (or do you want to believe that the secularists are a group, I would have thought they were pop-slaves)
    And the number of (well educated) Christian becomming muslim is greater than the number of all the (low educated third world country) muslims becomming christian.
    ===
    Quoting what? Sighting what source for this? The reason it’s the largest
    is because of the poor in Africa, India, and the Middle East. That’s all.  Show me non-liberal, non-muslim facts to back up your silly assertions…Otherwise they are just that! No offense stud, but in MY estimation(guesstimation) 90% of all muslims are as ignorant as you.

    ===
    As for Christ dieing on the cross, how about asking Jesus when he comes back. Then again one could always refer to the gospels.
    Then again you may prefer to believe in an idea that you have to accept one persons sacrifice for some next persons sacrifice to save you. Though, sounds pretty illogical to me, and doesn’t sound like  Deuteronomy 24:16… Seriously, if you got rid of where ever you learned such an idea. So… how do you figure out which is the contradiction and which is the word of the god?
    ===
    Don’t peeps like you get it? obviously not. Know why? I will quote THE GOD, You are “willingly ignorant.” <—lol! That’s dumb on purpose!

    There are no contradictions in the bible, kid. ZERO. Know why? The King James Bible is the infallable, inerrant word of the Living God.

    Get it? If not, I will pray for you. Next time, let your prejudices towards Americans, Christians and Cherokee’s be muted. You’ve met the 1 that is all 3 I just listed. I have street cred n college papers claiming I know stuff after 12 years of college. Know what? The street part taught 200x more.

    I feel sorry for peeps like you…They say that Hell is this and that…I believe for men Hell is getting bent over for 1000′s of years by your most disdained…In-laws, whatever. Good luck with that.

  • Charles

    Far: The word palestine was invented in the 1900′s….Get it?

  • Tonto (USA)

    All the rhetoric doesn’t mean shit.  Christian, mooslim, whatever.  The bottom line is, you can kinda do what you want as long as you obey the law of the land.  The law of THIS land is based on the 10 Commandments.  Follow them and you can’t go wrong.  Mooslims and super Christians, lunatic church pushers of whatever stripe can all stick it where the sun don’t shine.  Jesus summed it all up in the Sermon on the Mount.  He even taught us the “Lord’s Prayer” (that’s why they call it that).  Mooslims are totally full of shit and Christians have added a bunch of bullshit to the rules that God Himself gave us.  Jesus tried to clear that up…..but humans are natural born idiots and keep fucking with things.  The idiot apostles start fucking up right after Jesus ascended to heaven (it started in “Acts”).  Muslims are the most sexually repressed pud pullers in the world.  Their countries are shit-holes except where oil has paid their bills and bought slaves to do the work they are too frickin lazy to do.  If I was a mooslim living like they do, I think suicide bombing for a “reward” in Heaven would probably look pretty good.  The  purpose of all the terror is to persuade those inflicted with it to join islame and be in the same shit with the mooslims.  (ie: join islam or die) Crap, what a choice!  THAT’S where they get the converts.  Leave islam and you die……but, most that want to leave can’t because they’re too poor to move away from it.  So they just bow their heads and go along with the ruling mook’s program……what a fucked up life!  Anybody that’s mooslim is an idiot or just too damn stupid to realize how fucked up islam is.  At least with Christians, I can tell them to buzz off and get the hell off my porch.  And, I won’t even get a fatwa or get killed for it.

  • FAR

    I’m a muslim…. WHY AREN’T MY COMMENTS POST!!!???

  • FAR

    That’s better

  • Kal

    Far,

    Some comments get tied up in the queue for moderation. We try to approve them as fast as possible, but we do have careers, and are not online 24/7. Apologies for the delay. I will check the spam filter to see if any of your comments are in there.

    Tonto,

    LMAO @ pud-pullers :D

  • FAR

    Type “women + convert” into youtube.
    Let me help you.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=women+convert&page=1
    I’m guessing that these women have read the quran.
    Or are you going to use the excuse that muslim men are so sexually attractive they turn women into muslims?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnsIeh_s05g
     
    Uh oh… something seems fishy somewhere!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LizvxshoOu0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtSnn974cik&NR=1
    Very fishy!
    As for the muslim numbers being the largest single group, refer to CIA fact book. It has catholics as 16.99% as the largest group there, and we all know that the Catholics don’t go to the same place of worship as the others. Where as even if you took out the shiites that would still be 17.85%  (85% of all muslims are mainstream) of global population.
    All these so called muslims have to do is refer to and act upon Quran chatper 96 and that would be the end of their ineptitude but the beginning of their journey to getting back on the straight path.
     
    Have a look at some of your ancestors.
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_Cherokee_tribe_mostly_Muslim
     
    And note that they would not have used bad words or cursed people as in reference to the above Do’s and Don’ts of etiquette.
    By the way what did you study?
    I’m currently beginning a Bsc Computing and Mathematics course with the Open University.
     
    Regarding the bible:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9jbhgjTi_M
    The bible is from the god, but what you have is additions by historians and commentators, added by some scrupilous individuals and called it to be the bible. Refer to luke chapter 1, he says that what he’s writing is a commentary and meaning of the original words.
    The god says that the word of the god will be preserved. But the god also says that such people who say that what they write is from the god, also exist. And they sell their words for a pathetic profit compared to heaven.
    Regarding the King James Version… that’s not the word that Jesus sent, therefore it’s not the bible, it’s bearly a translation of the original words with commentary by paul and friends. You can even refer to oldest manuscripts in greek, they don’t match in many words used.
    http://www.greeknewtestament.com/
    http://www.biblebaptistmeaford.com/versions22.html
    The bible is in the language the prophets spoke.
    As for the King James version and it’s language… old english?  Well… I guess I’d agree on that, we wouldn’t want the children to read Ezekiel 23. Yes don’t read that, read this:
    http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html

  • FAR

    In punjabi, a “pud” would be in reference to the female organ.
     
    But Tonto, think about it… if anyone was trying to convince people to join their cause, would they use force? How does on man convince his enemies to join him?
     
    Think about it again, who would wish that I’slam be like as it seems to be?
     
    Refer to this:
    http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/clash.html
    Give it the benefit of doubt.

  • aisha

    I read this tread from the beginning.  Interesting points of view with all the quotes, counterquotes and misquotes.  I did notice that FAR’s postings have calmed down.  Does he usually rant but is now on medication?  That one poster (Deborah) really got to you – was it the bible quotes or the fact she wouldn’t debate you?  Charles, I think you should translate the Greek that guy sent you -it’s probably taken off a bablefish translation and is supposed to “school” you! Have you noticed that islamic apologetics consist of attacking the other person’s faith but has no proof to substantiate their position? Just my thoughts.

  • jennyjen

    In traditional societies, when a man and woman marry the woman is supposed to take on the man’s religious beliefs. That is why it is hunky-dory for a Muslim man to take a western wife but a fatwa for a Muslim woman to take a Western husband. There’s your conversion factor.
    I don’t give a rat’s hairy ass about the number of people converting to Islam. If 70% of the population was to jump in the path of a train, would you jump as well?? I have a thought process that makes it extremely difficult to follow a religion such as Islam. You state you’re in college, take a philosophy class, Logic and Practical Reasoning is a good one but you’d be wise to leave your Islam at the door, your head may explode.
    Oh, and Ezekiel 23 is very popular, Samuel L. Jackson quotes it in Pulp Fiction right before he kills his enemies. “And I will strike down upon you with great vengance and terrible fury…” God is speaking to those who would try to lead his followers astray, aka Musselmen and Satan.  Or that’s my interpretation and yeah, that’s the one I like! Because really, that’s all we have is what we interpret.

  • jennyjen

    Oh, so now you want me to believe in the illuminati, LMFAO! Get something legit not a played out conspiracy theory! Idiots never cease to amaze me…do you deny the holocaust as well?

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Rainbows Forever:
    jennyjen: Very good and In Christ there is neither male or female.  That will get the Muslim yellow streak backs up, but the Word of God is not bound.  How: dory-hunky!  The Muslims are powerless against God’s powerful word. 
    IT IS WRITTEN, IT IS FINNISHED.
    There is nothing they can do about it, and I have experiential knowledge of that power.  Like the Centurian said to Jesus: speak the Word ONLY, and my servant will be healed.  WOW!  Many, many times, more than I can count, my husband and I have done just that.  We have stood, unrelenting on God’s matchless word and power.  All I can say, is it has worked every time, FOR EVERYTHING.  So I have such confidence in the believers that are joined in heart and trust in God to move miraculously in this election and McCain will rise victoriously.   John McCain is a one of a kind, kinda sorta guy. God is well able to take care of this situation as Liz said we need the enemy confounded tthat is exactly what is happening.  Obama is confused, and he is like a goose that wakes up in a new world every morning, HIS! (funny Obama is all alone in HIS little ego world right now)  Making his “State of the Union Address Speech.”  Who does Obama think he is?  HELL-O!  People just need to be patient and let go and let God!

    I know Sarah  Palin is praying along with her church and us.  God is tuned in, and all things work together for the good, for the called and for those fitting into God’s plan.  Rom: 8:28

    It just took forty days and nights for the whole earth to drown, and Noah, started all over again, with the animals.  Not to worry!
    It’s called the Rainbow connection.  May you have Rainbows Forever!

  • jennyjen

    Rainbows, Sunshine and Good Times! Travellight and have a get right kinda day Carolyn!

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    OK – jennyjen – Cool!  You are the best.

  • Charles

    Aisha – I would, but that isn’t proof. Vista has built in translations, so it’s futile. It doesn’t prove I know any language. I can call someone a “putah” or that my woman gave me a “mamada” last night, but that does not mean I know Spanish, even tho I do.  I coudl say in cherokee “o’sah hinka” and it won’t matter today….Btw the translations mean: Bitch, blowjob and fuck off.

  • Charles

    I’ve argued with Kal(admin) in the past, and that did not affect the length or period with which my posts were approved..Kal is str8-up legit….Take the man @ his word….Which is why I respect him and him alone of the admin on this site….fuck yea, God bless him for the balls to disagree and not shutdown discussion!!! <—Go Kal!

  • Charles

    FYI Tonto was Apache, I am Cherokee…If yu wish to make name-called taunts, get the races/clans/groups/tribes right. My tribe did not believe in nailing fetuses’ to our homes, the Apache did. My tribe did not believe in carving babies out of pregnant women, the Apache did. I take offense to your comment, only because of your ignorance of Indian heritage.

  • Charles

    Soz Far, I thought you were equal to me, which is why I posted to you…You are still in college, I did 12 years already, and am done. You are a noob, so I will go light on you. You are grouping all Indians/Tribes as a people, they were not. For instance the Cherokee of the north were 80% different fromt he Cherokee of the south or west…Get it? Your quote means nothing. Like muslims are different, Cherokee are different. Wait, unless you are saying all muslims are terrorists? Are you? Nah, coz not, you wouldn’t be that stupid. However, the difference between Cherokee and Muslims…The minority rule muslims, not Cherokee. Get it?

  • FAR

    Aisha:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkht3noIK0E
    http://www.hundredyearlie.com/ssi.html
    That athenian greek quote is from John 1:1. And I posted it to ask Charles why it’s translated as it is in English in such a manner. I’m only learning ancient greek.
    http://www.greekbible.com/index.php
    http://www.greeknewtestament.com/
    And do note that the US government pays people to write in blog posts, and I get nothing.
    Jennyjen:
    Illuminati -> organization of gog magog people.
    Ezekiel 25:17 not Ezekiel 23.
    And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.
    Ezekiel 23 if put in film, would be an xxx rated film and a fake snuff movie.
     
    Charles:
    What did you study?
     
    And perhaps we should refer to the Urban diction regarding the term “n00b” :
     
    _____________
    III. Behavior of noobs 
    Since noobs are basically ignorant bastards, they have a lot in common. The most often seen characteristic is their fluency in noobish, which is why it got its own section. They will also be very self confident as if they were the absolute best at what they are in fact the worst at. Also, they are quite agressive and self-centered, and tend to laugh a lot using many L’s and O’s in rapid sucession (the noobish word for laughing like an ultimate retard). 

    It is their instinct to assemble in packs for defense, and they often attempt to organize packs that they call teams. Unfortunately for them, teams usually result in a total loss of communication and they can often begin to fight amongst each other. These teams are quite unlike those formed by non-noobs. 

    Noobs have difficulty reading English and cannot comprehend the idea of authority. 

    Therefore, they have an all-out disregard for rules, basic or not. A good way to identify a noob (bad) vs. a newb (good) is to tell them (or have an authority tell them) which rule they are unknowingly breaking. If they respond with an apology and fix it, they are probably not a noob. If they react by insulting everything around them in rapid noobish and causing general mayhem, it is because they are a noob and have had a small seizure due to their inability to understand what is happening.
    _____________
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noob
    Please Charles, your language style is not befitting someone who is educated.
    Also, you did not say which Cherokee tribe or region you were of or from. You implied that you were “Cherokee” by race; as in general.
     
    Please confirm that I corrected you on the origin of the word Palestine and the fact of muslim numbers.

  • Tonto (USA)

    Charles, This Tonto is Apache (Inde).  The TV Tonto (Lone Ranger Series) was actually a Tewa from New Mexico.  Tewas are a pueblo people who make beautiful jewelry and are excellent craftsmen and farmers.  I live in Cherokee country now, East Tennessee, and love it.  It’s beautiful here.  It’s the #1 motorcycle destination in the nation.  Just FYI.
    Far,   Words often have very different meaning in different languages….it’s pretty amusing sometimes.  “Cock” can mean male chicken, a dick or, in arabic, cookie.  Hoda in arabic is a lovely name for a female, but means fuck in mexican spanish.  “Loam” in American means a type of fertile soil good for growing things, in Vietnamese, it means vagina.
       And all the religious, self righteous crap is meaningless if people use it as an excuse to oppress others, which , at this time, and worldwide, the muslims are doing.  Killing Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc.  All of those religions are basically peaceful, or at least, the proponents of those other religions make a very strong attempt at being peaceful.  They all propound peace, tolerance and loving help to all mankind.  Islam’s koran and hadith, on the other hand is a manual of hate, intolerance and repression.  There are 132 verses that are violent in nature.  The customs of islam dominated cultures are backward, intolerant and violent.  That’s why every islam dominated culture on earth is a violent shithole and the sexual repression there is unnatural and deviant.  There have been a truly amazing number of violent attacks by muslims on everybody else since 9/11 when people start counting.  11,934 attacks, and God only knows how deep the stack of bodies is.  That blows away Hitler, Mao, Ghengis Khan, and maybe even Stalin.  And get this, MOST of the dead are other muslims!  That tells me that not only are muslims nuts, they’re also stupid as hell.  They’re probably better off pulling their peepees, or their puds, and not even consider having kids to raise in that shit.  And, you can take that any way you want to.  There is no way in the world that you can convince me that islam is worth “two dead flies”.  You can’t cause anyone to join your cause by violence….try it and, sooner or later, you get your ass kicked.  Guess you never read Machiavelli, Sun Tsu, or Musashi’s “5 rings”.  If all you’ve read is the koran (which is really a piss poor example of prose, but really big in twisted plagiarism), you’re sorely lacking in education and way behind the curve.  Read up some, or get into a philosophy course or two, and come back and talk shit.  Right now, you’re just laughable.

  • FAR

    Jennyjen, should you be concerned about those who deny the holocaust of the Christians by the Russians and the Ottomans? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_Privileges Or do you hide that which was given to you?
     
    But seriously, Tonto, how much does the US government pay you for talking like that?

  • Liz

    Tonto…I agree with everything you’ve said for the most part. A small thing that I know you know…. Stalin killed at least 15 million, many in Ukraine. Spent some time there, and they hate Russia because of it. Also Hitler killed around 11 million if you count others than Jews. This does not make excuse for Islam. If fundamentalists became a world wide power they would make these 2 look like boy scouts, and kill many more tens or even hundreds of millions. It would be all infidels and any moderate Muslims, since they don’t consider them ”real” Muslims at all. I pray that never happens.

  • jennyjen

    Far, wouldn’t it be nice if Muslims would follow that instead of executing Christians because of their beliefs? The pedophile may have executed that charter but he also executed Christians and Jews. Just because it is written doesn’t mean it is followed. Just as some Christian groups blow up abortion clinics to save lives. Yeah, go fig?? The problem with Extremists is that they always think they are right. 
    Oh and btw, Mohommed’s little charter doesn’t apply to me. See in America, you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Freedom of speech and religion and the right to bear arms. I was born an American and I will die an American because regardless of what anyone says, this is the greatest country on Earth and it is blessed by God! Long Live the Infidels!!

    Also, I’m pretty sure Tonto is not on the governments payroll. He would seriously piss off those liberal bastards in Washington!

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Jennyjen you are right about Tonto:  Maybe he needs to be on the payroll, some one needs to kick a$$ and take names.  John McCain is one man that will along with one woman Sarah Palin, the pit bull with lipstick.   Thank God the believers are on their side. 
    The liberal SOB’s are a lost cause because they have such Toxic Thinking.

  • FAR

    Jennyjen?
     
    Pedophile muhammed? Nonsense, and I’ll show you.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm_fkOBZrOQ&feature=PlayList&p=9B75E9DF00333D58&index=0
    References are here:
    http://www.muhaddith.org/IslamicVideos/ProphetMuhammadAishaMarriage.html
     
    Unfortunately, America was developed from deistic principles. Most of the founding fathers were masonic or had such links. Well this is what I read and hear. And what I read & hear seems somewhat logical.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klwWcp9eiPw
    You should check the references before you disagree.
    And that “terrorism and the illuminati” seems like it deserves at least the benefit of doubt.
    As for those in washington, I see they like to gather in the Bohemian Groves.
    The evidence for gog magog existing is in the ceremony of that “Cremation of Care”.
     
    And why would anyone do infidelity against the god? We hear and obey, and that is what the god tells us to do, and that is what we need.
     
     

  • jennyjen

    the description of n00bs sure fits the description of those Muslim punks running around Europe…did anyone else notice that?? The Hells Angels are coming after them and that makes me smile ear to ear!
    FAR- I spend way too much time working and socializing to make sure I have a biblical chapter number correct for a blog post..excuse the hell outta me!! I think the good Lord will forgive me and the other posters probably will too. 
    Carolyn- hells yeah! I think Tonto would make an excellent adviser or cabinet member, even a Supreme Court Justice! This country needs more people like us- Good God-fearin, Gun-totin’ ballsy SOB’s!  Willing to whip out our balls at the drop of a hat and say “i dare you asshole! Thump’em and see what happens!”  Well for Carolyn, Liz and myself, we speak of our theoretical balls haha!

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    YEA, jennyjen and you got it, and we can speak up when needed.  After all these years we’ve grown a few extra theoretical balls, for reserve.  Ha Ha!  I have this nice lime green concrete hedge apple I use for a door stop or can throw at someone I don’t want to come in, if you get my drift.  Can I invite Obama to my house?  I had a concrete hedge apple (Osage Orange) mold made to go into garden containers, etc.  as ornaments.  They look cool, and can kill you if they hit the right sweet spot. One must never drop one on your toe.  Many weapons exist in gardening, that’s why I like it so much  Not to leave out cooking,  of which I don’t enjoy, but then there is the nice iron skillet weapon, Liz mentioned.   Women just use what’s handy, so don’t make them mad.  LOL

  • FAR

    Well Ezekiel 23 is something you tear out of your bible.
     
    I do understand that such verses that included the porn, rape, and incest were banned in South Africa before the liberalization of that country.
    http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21741635-5001021,00.html
     
    Yes of course, they’re both in the same 20′s and Ezekiel is famous because of Pulp Fiction, anyone could make such a mistake. But I’m sure that they wouldn’t make the same mistake after learning they were different.
    http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html
     
    I didn’t know the Hells Angels were Christian…
     
    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bikers22-2008aug22,0,5062284.story
     
    Oh they’re not.

  • Tonto (USA)

      Ladies,    Many a drunken redneck here in the south has had his attitude adjusted by an iron skillet wielded by an irate female.  Seems to be a historically significant weapon of choice for southern belles.  Also, I’m not afraid to have an opinion, or to stand by it with vigor, even on a physical level.  Of course, if one believes in what one says, they should always be ready and willing to defend, or offend with it. 

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    You are right,  Tonto and no problem with defending or offending.   Training in self defense helps, staying alert wih eye contact and of course getting angry @ just the right moment works wonders.

  • jennyjen

    My Life with an Iron Skillet- My aunt once tied my former uncle up in a bed sheet while he was passed out and beat the sense into him with an iron skillet. My Granny could spin one around with the flick of her wrist and she adjusted many attitudes. My Mom has this mean-ass glare and 12 inch iron skillet, nuff said! I’m a bonafide country ninja armed with an iron skillet!
    Tonto- defend and offend- Love IT!!!

  • jennyjen

    Far- read my iron skillet post then give me more tude. Once again, you ain’t changing my mind! I’ve seen it, I’ve read it, I’ve researched it and your little youtube clips aren’t shit to me.  I’m a hard-headed country girl who has never torn a page out of a bible, blasphemous you are.
    He married Aisha at 6 and consummated at 9- that’s pedophile behavior my friend. Chop it up and serve it however you like, the final dish remains the same.
    If you assume all Hell’s Angels aren’t Christians then I can assume all Muslims are terrorists, right?? (I’d much rather piss off a Muslim than a Hell’s Angel) The one’s in Denmark AK81- are defending their country from punk ass Muslims who on more than one occasion beat up the elderly/disabled/women of Denmark. That’s something you can reference with facts, not web pages.
    So I’m worn out with suffering your ignorance, it’s Friday and I got a pit bull to pick up. Her name is Kafir. (thanks Kal!)

  • Tonto (USA)

    Far,  I don’t care how you dress it up.  Your “prophet” (who never made a prophecy in his life) was a scumbag 52 yr. old having sex with a 9yr. old.  That’s pedophilia.  Admit it, mohammad the perv was a dirty old man that liked banging the really young stuff.  I went to those vid sites you mentioned and I guess if you want to justify your leader as being less than a contemptible piece of shit, you can buy into that decorated garbage.  And that’s what it was.  Among  tribal people, the custom that I saw was marriage eligibility after a ceremony at age 15.  I was raised with Apaches and saw a couple “white painted lady” ceromonies, and saw a marriage ceremony among the Rhade in Vietnam.  A nine year old girl was considered a baby…..and in some tribes, children are allowed to suckle until age 9.  Seems to me you are pretty uneducated.  You need to work on that Far.

  • Tonto (USA)

      I think the sexual repression in islamic society probably has given rise to the extreme sicko deviance and sexual perversion in muslim areas.  Those people are really whacked out.  They are incredibly obsessed with perversion.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    jennyjen I am so glad you are a friend, and Tonto Cherokee, Kai, never want you to turn on me.  I do have some funnies to tell you when the debate is over.  You will LYAO, I had forgotten them until this brought them to mind.  Women can be ruthless, at times.  Catch you after the debates.

    Tonto, the perversion is such a spiritual stronghold deeply embedded into the culture,  that it is passed down from generation to generation.  Sins of the fathers,  has made an obsessed nation.  It can only get worse!

  • Liz

    Not to get back to the subject of women….but I just caught this on thereligionofpeace.com   The hate cleric’s daughter is a stripper.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1062375/Revealed-Radical-cleric-Bakris-pole-dancer-daughter.html

    Oh the shame..I think it’s a riot!

  • ender

    what do some muslim women do when they escape islam, some like to get back at daddy, like this one has

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1062375/Revealed-Radical-cleric-Bakris-pole-dancer-daughter.html

  • Charles

    Actually, tonto I have read your pawns. The prince was retarded :) Mach should’ve stayed a clerk in life..Sun, I quote frequently on my web site…Get that?  Musashi is a rip and nothing more. Read? Did that. See kid, that would be you tonto(notice the lower case), I have disdain for the apache for just reasons and if you know our history, you know why. You’re silly attempt and feasible dissin, is a joke…You were owned the second you mentioned any authors. I wrote my graduating thesis on Sun Tzu you twit….Move on…

  • Charles

    Mr Far:
    Please Charles, your language style is not befitting someone who is educated.
    Also, you did not say which Cherokee tribe or region you were of or from. You implied that you were “Cherokee” by race; as in general.
     
    Please confirm that I corrected you on the origin of the word Palestine and the fact of muslim numbers.
     
    =-=-
    That was your words stud, now mine. According to you, there is only 1 race of Indian, YOUR WORDS quoting the UN dummy…I implied nothing Einstein, I said as a matter of fact “STATED” who and what I am. Fuck implied. And fuck your inuendos otherwise. Screw your belief that there is anything “palestine” pre-1900′s…..Put your terrorist reading down and do some reasearch ….

    It’s funny far, I am focusing on your support of a religion of terrorists, and you are nitpicking my race…I find that amusing in a way that has yet to be found. Seriously.

    O’Sah’Hinke…Next time your in my hood, why dont you give me a Mamada Putah…

  • Charles

    Far bro, yer cute…keep adding quotes from obscure sites…Let’s play the fart gamE!!!!!

  • Tonto (USA)

    Damn charlieboy, I don’t believe you’ve ever written a thesis, much less graduated from high school.  Or perhaps you have, if you color within the lines.  Anybody who regards Machiavelli with such disdain is certainly lacking something.  Perhaps it’s air?  View the world through a glass belly button?   At least you know who Sun Tsu is, that’s a start.  He’s studied in every military school in the world.  Musashi is studied in every business college with the same intensity.  Much of Japanese business is based on strategy from the “5 Rings”, so I’d hardly dismiss it.  That’s the entire reason it’s studied.  To the Japanese, business is war, and if the legend is true, Musashi was remarkable and very cerebral.  Keep stroking yourself charlieboy, maybe you’ll have a pleasant surprise.
      Far, obviously, you’re a “troller”, hope it’s good for you.

  • Charles

    tonto, I find your using of a name offensive and stupid. But did I impress that opinion on you until now? No. Only to prove a point. Use your indoor voice kid or inner monologue because anything else is ludicrous. Perhaps if you took into context I am self-made and retired at the age of 37, without reading your impressives…Well damn, maybe that might impress someone I don’t know or care about??? Mentioning a Japanese anything is silly, being that we crushed that in WW2 and FORCED them to do it our way. They weren’t squat in the business world back then, so stop.  Been to Japan several times, if you are going to praise them, then you really need to mention the negatives. The pervs, the fact that Japanese men are tops in the world for heart attacks at early ages. Sun Tzu applies to life, it’s logical to read. The others are whimsical readings by a liberal attempting to impress people.  If you had any business accumen, you’d understand the Japanese mindset of America…You do not. Stroking myself? Kid you are the one spewing silly peeps expecting others to fall all over themselves cheering you because *YOU* believe they are important. Funny, I’ve never bothered with those two and yet I am financially set for life because of hard work. Not because of fancy talk and your mindset of attempting to talk down to me or others. I can buy and sell college boys like you 20 times over…Know why? I busted my butt since the age of 15 EARNING while peeps like you did whatever it is young liberals do. Sure as hell isn’t becoming a productive member of society.

    Tell me something, IQ Stud…How many welfare recipients has YOUR income supported? Disdain, you need to learn the meanings of words and stop using ones you have no clue to their meaning. I disdain your use of a name from an era that raped Indians and made light of my heritage in movies and tv. The Apache I have MUCH disdain for, because of the problems(lol, study) they caused for the Cherokee Nation and what they did to prolong a feud with white people. That’s true disdain. I do not disdain you as a person, I do find it amusing you believe you are someone intelligent yet use a racist name.

    When I was serving in the first war, you probably were getting high or drunk with your liberal friends. You’re welcome.

  • FAR

    It’s not posting my comments!

  • FAR
  • Aisha

    Maybe the moderator is sick of your inane comments and wants the blog to get back on track!

  • Kal

    Far,

    It just did. Twice…

  • Tonto (USA)

    Gee whizer charles. MY name was won in combat.  It may have started as a joke but now I wear it proudly.  I’m a DECORATED combat vet ( I’ve got all the same medals as Kerry got, except mine were honest and my stars have “V”s on them) and the friend that gave me the name is dead (I called him “Yid” cause he was a jew)…but he died well and bravely.  What war were you in….probably a REMF right?  I was a medic with 1/7th 1st Air Cav. (3 tours).  I was raised on the Rez (San Carlos) from age 8 til 17 by my Apache grandma.  Apaches fought long and fiercely so they would survive and they have some of the largest reservations in the nation as a result.  So do the Lakota, they were fighters too. The Cherokees were basically apples (another name for white eye’s suck asses) right from the git.  That is, except those that refused to submit and took to the Smokey Mountains….now THEY have a real nice rez….complete with a Harrods, over in North Carolina….it’s called “Cherokee”.  I met the chief a couple weeks ago, forget his name, he’s a young guy with a lovely wife and 5 kids.  He says they prefer to be called Tsalagi. 
      I’m retired too big boy, and I still think you’re bullshittin’.  I sent myself through school while working in a factory, worked hard, invested and retired 10 years ago.  I didn’t say the Japs were all that great, just that they put a big hurt and wake up on American industry…probably needed it.  I bumped heads with Ghetto denizens and drug thugs, camel jockeys and other, nicer folks from all over the world in there.  Retired, I either travel or just ride hell out of my scooters around these mountains here.  Sometimes I spank insolent pukes like you just for the hell of it.  You ain’t much, just lucky, IF what you brag is true.  And you got a big mouth and can’t back it up with all that much knowledge.  You need to work on that. Your inaccuracies are numerous and too much of a pain in the ass to correct, but you need to educate yourself.  Also, it’s just too easy to get yer goat…….LMAO.  You feel like an outsider around educated people don’t you?  You’ll be alright when you shuck the anger and inferiority thing.  Education is the key though. I’ve already wasted too much time on your sorry ass so button it up dude.  Yer makin’ me tired. Find a good school and get a couple degrees……then you can hang with the Obamasiah, Kerry, Pelosi, and those guys.  Love ya, mean it.

  • Tonto (USA)

    You really are an apple charlie…you just proved it.  Ask me how.

  • Charles

    LOL! Yer cute. You wanna dis my tribe and racial makeup? hell that’s da bomb. Medic? LMAO! The apaches cut babies out of women and stuck them on their homes as badges of honor you piece of shit…THEY and THEY alone prolonged and escalated violence between the Indian races and whites. And you sit here acting like it’s good? STFU! You are a POS and a liar…Ritired too? Odd, you didn’t mention that in prior postings, hmmm. Name one thing that is is not accurate, kid…Then ride your ass to where I live, I will pay the ticket. Outsider? Son, I give the word to numerous kids like you every day and help them. Next time yer willing to back that mouth up , email me: chareb94@hotmail.com
    Get it? Brag? I posted, you bragged….Kid. When I was a wee chit of 16, I swapped peep show rooms for a living, how about you? I welded background wit that job for 2yrs..how about you? I was having scorpion fights in the middle of Iraq in the early 90′s, when you were suckin teets….All the while my mid-level investments at the age of 18 were in place. It took almost 18 years, but they paid off 20 fold. You put yerself thru school? LOL! Nah, ya didn’t or this would have been mentioned b4…Yer entire post is contrived…Like your sexlife, you don’t have or get none…Stop with the 10PSI required dates, stuffin your face with twinkies and get a life….Seriously, you got no idea or consequence of the definition of big boy kid….

  • Tonto (USA)

    Guess you never heard of the 1st Air Cav huh?  Saved Marine Corps ass at Khe San.  I was there for Tet in 1968, boy.  That flic with Mel Gibson……yep, my outfit, boy.  Scorpions, snakes and centipides were bigger and deadlier there than your sorry ass pussy rag heads too.  VC would put diapers on your mujaheedin, and we wiped THEM from the earth in a month in 1968, the hard way.  Iraqi ”war” was a walk in the park.

  • Charles

    Have and you weren’t in it. However, my 2 uncles were. It’s funny “tonto” you came AFTER my heated dispute with admin on here. We didn’t call them ragheads, hollywood did. Nice try tho :) If you were in house, you’d know that. And if you served at all in real combat, you wouldn’t be shit talking a fellow…Would’ja?  You do know that’s what is is called, right? My bro-in-law was part of the Seal 1st engagement of Iraq the first time around….I told or I should say read him yer post…He found it as amusing as I do. Your lack of protocol is astounding as is your lack of quotes for real fights. No dawg would dis another despite the generational gap, for anything…Nor would a real dawg quote impacts or in civ terms “skirmishes”. to front a fellow dawg. Tell your dad or whatever TY, but you aint Corps…You’re a faker. God Bless America, the Corps and…..Exactly.

  • Tonto (USA)

    charlesboy,  Wasn’t in the Crotch…was Airborne.  And in Vietnam, Republic of.  Ask your uncles who the 1St cav was.  Check your e-mail…unless it was a fake.  I was in country in 1968,69, and 70.  Ask ‘em about Uplift, English, Ike, Two-bits and An Khe……Lane field.  A Shau 3 times.  Dinged there once in 1969, that was #2 PH.  Or were they REMFs like you?  Was North of Hue in ’68s Tet.  Found the mass graves up there.  Was in the PTSD clinic doin’ EMDR for 3 months being deprogrammed…so fuck you.  You wear crotchless pantyhose?

  • FAR

    And in the Quran it says(translation from http://quran-online.net/ and transliteration from http://www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/):

    (here’s A J Arberry’s attempt on tranlsating ch10:v47)

    (47) Every nation has its messenger; then, when their messenger comes, justly the issue is decided between them, and they are not wronged.

    (here’s arabic transliterated)

    Walikulli ommatin rasoolun faitha jaa rasooluhum qudiya baynahum bialqisti wahum la yuthlamoona

    16:35-36

    (35) The idolators say, ‘If the god had willed we would not have served; apart from him, anything, neither we nor our fathers, nor would we have forbidden, apart from him, anything.’ So did those before them; yet is aught for the messengers, but to deliver the manifest message?

    Waqala allatheena ashrakoo law shaa Allahu ma AAabadna min doonihi min shayin nahnu wala abaona wala harramna min doonihi min shayin kathalika faAAala allatheena min qablihim fahal AAala alrrusuli illa albalaghu almubeenu

    (36) Indeed, we sent forth among every nation a messenger,; saying: ‘Serve you the god, and eschew idols.’ Then some. of them the god guided, and some were justly disposed to error. So journey in the land, and behold how was the end of them that cried lies.

    Walaqad baAAathna fee kulli ommatin rasoolan ani oAAbudoo Allaha waijtaniboo alttaghoota faminhum man hada Allahu waminhum man haqqat AAalayhi alddalalatu faseeroo fee alardi faonthuroo kayfa kana AAaqibatu almukaththibeena

    More verses here: ch22:v34 & v67, 35:24, 40:5-6.

    And it does sound like that natives of the America’s were sent messengers of the god.

    Charles:

    I recommend that you take a detox. 

    And if you think that my post here with a link to the JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA regarding the name Palestine and to the CIA World Fact Book is some how terrorist materal, well… hmm I’m not sure I’d agree with you. I’d also disagree that the Urban dictionary is some how obscure. It’s amongst the top 1000 for major English speaking countries.

    http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/urbandictionary.com

    The quran says:

    (64) Say: ‘People of the Book! Come now to a word common between us and you, that we serve none but God, and that we associate not aught with Him, and do not some of us take others as Lords, apart from God.’ And if they turn their backs, say: ‘Bear witness that we are muslimoona (sumbmitting our will to the god).’

    Qul ya ahla alkitabi taAAalaw ila kalimatin sawain baynana wabaynakum alla naAAbuda illa Allaha wala nushrika bihi shayan wala yattakhitha baAAduna baAAdan arbaban min dooni Allahi fain tawallaw faqooloo ishhadoo bianna muslimoona

    http://www.irf.net/irf/dtp/dawah_tech/ques14.htm

    Charles… Why are you attacking Tonto’s people? Oh right…:

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Legislating+women's+sexuality:+Cherokee+marriage+laws+in+the…-a0128027047

    It seems that most area’s where mu’slims lived, the people had in the last century (20th) become white worshipers…

    Today, those immigrants who think they worked their behinds off, end up seeing their children distance themselves away from their parents. Why? Well… I’m going make it easy, and blame it on anti-homeschooling parents.

    Charles you still haven’t said what subject you mastered. OKay, which war did you serve in, the first Gulf war?

    Liz and Ender, regarding Omar Bhakri and his daughter, refer to this:

    http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/toc.html

    Particularly, chapters on the Assassins, The Wahhabis, The Salafi, The Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda

  • FAR

    Tonto:

    As for what the native american’s marriage, MSN Encarta has something to say on this:

    In most Native American societies, children married at a relatively young age. Girls were considered eligible for marriage after first menstruation, around age 13. Boys usually married before the age of 20. However, many young men waited to marry until their early 20s, so they could prove their ability as a good provider. Most societies tolerated sexual activity before marriage, although some, like the Cheyenne and Crow, placed a high value on sexual abstinence before marriage. 

    Parents usually chose a mate for their children. A child’s older relatives might also participate in the choice of marriage partner. In some tribes, marriages were arranged far in advance, during a child’s infancy or early childhood. In other areas—particularly the Arctic, Subarctic, and Great Basin—young people had greater control over their choice of spouse. If a boy and a girl expressed interest in each other, their families would decide whether to permit them to marry. If the families approved, a date was set for a wedding ceremony or an exchange of gifts. Marriage to someone from another tribe was unusual but not prohibited unless the person was from a warring tribe. 

    The only rule that universally governed the choice of marriage partners was the incest taboo, a prohibition against marrying close relatives. Members of the same nuclear family—specifically, sister and brother, father and daughter, or mother and son—were never allowed to marry and produce children. In most societies, the incest taboo was extended to prohibit marriage between some cousins, uncles and nieces, aunts and nephews, and other close relatives. However, each group had its own definition of which relationships were considered to be too close for marriage. Among some groups, such as Northwest Coast peoples and the Chipewyan of the Subarctic, first cousins were preferred as marriage partners. 

    Most North American Indians allowed polygyny, the marriage of one man to two or more women. Often these wives were sisters. But usually only wealthy or powerful men were able to support several wives. In some societies, such as those of the Great Plains, women far outnumbered men, because a large number of men were killed each year through bison hunting or warfare with other tribes. Men were expected to have several wives not only to maintain the population but also to lighten the wives’ crushing workload of tanning, sewing, beading, cooking, and packing camp. The wives could also share childrearing responsibilities. Polygyny was most common in the Northwest Coast region; in some parts of this region more than 20 percent of marriages were polygynous. Other groups, such as the Iroquois and the western Pueblos, exclusively practiced monogamy, the marriage of one man to one woman.

    http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570777_35/native_americans_of_north_america.html

    Here’s another link: http://westgatehouse.com/art161.html

  • FAR

    JennyJen, in Christendom, the lowest age for marriage was 7 years of age for a girl, and consumation of marriage was at the age of 12 for the females.
     
    http://www.muhaddith.org/earlymarriage/Index.html
    Doesn’t like doclinks.
    JennyJen, the Hell’s angels are believed to be promoters of prostitution and drug trade. Why support one organization of criminals (according to the Fed) over a bunch of other organization of criminals or criminal organization?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCuhTppsCXM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rkhbvm5YOo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE4FJL2IDEs

  • FAR

    I see some pictures of Cherokees that look like what someone would call “ragheads” and I’m thinking, they look arab.

  • jennyjen

    LMAO! I checked out the stripper link and that’s great! Oh, I bet daddy aint to happy with baby girl- even tho he financed the boob job that makes them pole dances good for an extra fifty bucks haha!
    Tonto, I agree with ya, the repression causes the perversion. Sick Bastards!

  • Kal

    Tonto,

    I salute you and thank you for your service. I also get a chuckle reading your comments :D

  • FAR

    Actually her father is okay with it, and just wishes she changes her mind… It’s in the article.

  • jennyjen

    Far out there: I never said I fully supported Hells Angel’s. I said I support what they are doing in Denmark- prostitution and drugs are legal in Denmark. Geez, I guess that will leave them free to harass the “Muslim Boys” gang and other groups trying to take away individual freedoms. The Hells Angel’s have taken a stand against Islam, I commend them and wish them the best of luck! 
    On the cleric: My dad won’t by me fake boobs?? He is very much against elective surgery such as that and he’s a preacher, a so-called “man of God”, and he won’t by his daughter fake boobs! My outrage poureth over!
    On Marriage: Well, I guess you got me on the age of A-OK marriages, just one quick thought tho. In mainstream Christianity today, as practiced in the United States and other free countries, Is that still an acceptable age for marriage? You don’t have to answer that, I live in the heart of the Bible Belt, in a dry-county with more churches than trailer parks. I know the answer.

  • FAR

    Jennyjen:
     
    You support prostitution and drugs in Denmark?
     
    Well I wouldn’t buy my wife fake boobs, even though she has small breasts, as it would be against breast feeding.
     
     
    In mainstream Christian societies, premarital sex and fornication is rampant. Especially with the evengelical females who are taught to go after muslim males and convert them with sex –  but marriage first! Heck I was promised everything goes but not sex before marriage by one female (my age) a few years ago, she was full on “Jesus is god” and all that. Good thing my mother convinced me against such females, when she found out that is…
     
    And as for mainstream christianity, we all know that the catholics are the majority group. With 16.99% of global population, the catholic girls are the most sexually deviant of them all!
     
    Heck I barely need any effort in searching for references regarding Catholic girls:
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en-GB&hs=y1g&q=catholic+girls&btnG=Search
     
    Perhaps not even so with other Christian girls and teen pregnancies.
     
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en-GB&hs=13g&q=christian++teen+pregnancies&btnG=Search
     
    If the god has created something natural, why do you put a limit on the age?
    http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/
    Wlhat???
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7awAo6CA5i4&feature=related
     
    What!?
     
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en-GB&q=un+population+reduction&btnG=Search
     
    It can’t be true, can it?

  • FAR

    Sorry, I still don’t agree with gang violence, as such esclates, as those who don’t like the mu’slims, will join the Hell’s Angels. And those who don’t like what the Hell’s Angels are doing, they’ll join these extremists.

  • Kal

    FAR, We did not start this war. Muslims did. 1400 years ago. Time and again muslim armies invaded or attempted to invade North Africa and Europe. In the 20th century they turned to modern terrorist tactics (suicide bombers, IEDs, EFPs, kidnapiing/beheading, etc…). THEY escalated this, not the West. We welcome them with open arms, they thank us with 9/11, 7/7/, 3/11 the muslim gangs running wild in the UK, Denmark, France, Germany, and Holland.

    In every muslim country I go to, I can get laid by muslim women, single, and never married, as pre-marital sex is rampant there too. It is HUMAN NATURE. The muslimahs I know make the Catholic School girls look quite tame in comparison. And that is from a broad sampling, not just myself, but my kuffar compatriots here in the ummah. Women from Morocco, Kuwait, Syria, Saudi, Qatar, all are just as perverted as Catholic School girls. Sexuality is human nature, the drive to procreate. Religion/spirituality is a choice we abide by. And just like Catholic girls, muslimahs are fed up waiting at home while the men are out banging each other in the ass, or banging farm animals and little boys.

  • jennyjen

    The “Catholic School Girl” is a predominant male fantasy, friends of mine and myself have often been asked by our boyfriends to sport the uniform, it’s kinda fun and they like it so we go along. Not a Catholic anyways dude, they are almost as sexually repressed as the Muslims (that’s what gives the uniform it’s appeal). The question was about age of marriage not of consent. As for the rest, Kal pretty much covers what I was going to say, Kudos to Kal!
    And I’m all about population control, I smile every time an Extremist dies. Survival of the fittest.
    And apparently you didn’t pick up on my sarcasm in reference to the boob job. If he wishes she would change her occupation, why does he finance it? In America we do this day-in and day-out with welfare recipients, rewarding bad behavior by supplying these lazy leaches with a check, paying rent and giving them food stamps. Why? No good reason, it’s just easier to support them than to get them to learn a trade or go to work. 
    So, this is what we seem to be doing FAR- you point out extreme Christian teachings and practices and I point out extreme Islam. Neither of which improve or contribute to society yet they still exist, that’s what I can’t figure out.

  • FAR

    Kal…
    Sorry, be we didn’t start this war, the devil did. And no CIAlqaida don’t count, you forgot to read this:
     
    http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/toc.html
     
    And if I’m going to believe your war propaganda, you’ll have to give me more than just $0.
     
    As for your statement of getting laid with mu’slim females, prostitutes don’t count. And no, I wasn’t technically refering to the subject of fornication amongst females, I was refer to the subject of increasing the age of which women could get married. And yes, any society that forbids a woman (post first mensturation) from marriage, then you’ll see a society fornicating left right and centre. And you’ll see birth rates decrease.
     
    As for your insult against mu’slim males, yes I’d expect that from someone who was sexually perverted.
     
    http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en-GB&q=95+percent+of+Americans+had+premarital+sex&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
     
    Jennyjen:
     
    Yes they are sexually repressed thanks to what the church teaches. So much so it doesn’t work, when we find nuns who fornicate with the priests.
    I’slam doesn’t teach that, but allows a girl to get married when she becomes a female, as per the example of the prophets. If the so called muslims do as the prophet gave example, then they wouldn’t follow the UN limit, and they wouldn’t send their children to school (you’ll agree too).
     
     
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/us_premarital_sex.htm
     
    The above has some not so nice statements, but let me know if it’s true.
     
    It might be.
     
    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_ATSRH.html
    Though that doesn’t talk about those under 15.
     
    I got married at 17.

  • Tonto (USA)

    I think you nailed that pretty good Jennyjen.  Biology, not any religion, rules people.  Even strict social mores can be circumvented by determined people.  For some, muslims included, it’s almost a game.  I think that’s where some of the pleasure is derived…..kinda like smoking behind the barn at age 10.  Years of carrying welfare pros have inured the American public to the necessity….until they go nuts and riot.  Even if you can get them to work they’re mostly a pain in the ass to deal with.  Mostly we just sit back and let prostitutes get murdered, ganstas whacked and drug thugs OD and slaughter each other over little rocks.  We just shrug it off and think of it as natural selection.  It MAY not be right, but what can one REALLY do about it?  Or care?
      The crap the muslinuts are doing is more a case of low intensity terrorism.  The Angels have had it.  Wilders says it’s all over Europe and the more mooses they get, the more obnoxious they become.  Strength in numbers…etc.  The only thing that works, ask any Detroiter, is stomp a mudhole through their ass and demonstrate your personal version of the Detroit Demolition on their heads.  That has a tendency to adjust the prevailing attitude.  Gets respect too.  And…..It works on just about everybody.  One on one works best…..2X4 is optional.  So are guns, knives, spears, grenades…..etc.
     

  • Kal

    FAR,

    Right, muslims didn’t start it. Muhammad did not bring islam to the Arabian peninsula through violence. Funny, when he preached peacefully, he only turned 13 followers to islam. Yep, there was no muslim invasion of the Maghreb, nor did the musselman’s armies invade Spain. Your conspiracy theories are nice, but they are sorely lacking. Funny that people like to think the war against islam started on 9/11, or even in the 20th century. It was the muslim Berbers of Tripoli that first declared war on The United States, in 1784/5. And of course the justification given then for jihad is the same one muslims use today. The quran, and it’s command to “slay the unbelievers wherever ye find them”, and that we American kuffar were guilty of not accepting the word of allah.

    LOL @ prostitutes! I thought islam was pure and superior to Christianity, like so many clerics preach? How is it then that there are prostitutes in the ummah? Oh wait, I know why, because the muslims still have an active slave trade, running from Morocco to Afghanistan. They sell daughters in Iran into prostition in Dubai, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon. They do the same in Morocco. FYI, my Syrian ex-girlfiend was no prostitute. Nor is my buddy’s Kuwaiti girlfriend. Nice try, though.

    As for insulting muslim males, that was actually a factual statement about farm animals and little boys. I know of a Syrian clerk in Riyadh, when asked “What is it with Saudi men and sheep?” he replied “We ask the same in Syria!”. And of course you have the madrassas in Pakistan where recently 500 boys came forward alledging sexual abuse at the hands of the ‘teachers’ there. And of course there is the ever famous Afghan quote heard by many of my contractor buddies that “Women are for babies, little boys for pleasure”, where the men gather little boys to themselves for “Man/boy love Thursdays”.

  • Liz

    Kal…my husband is a contractor in Afghanistan, and he has heard that comment many times. And you know that children who are sexually molested will molest when they are adults. I wonder how far back in time this goes.

  • jennyjen

    Thanks Tonto, glad to see we both look down on the current welfare state! I’m a property manager and the way some people play the housing authority- well, I think I die a little inside everytime I fill out Section 8 paperwork.

    And Far out there, like Kal said, it’s human nature. We manipulate everything for our own pleasure/satisfaction. Saying human’s don’t sin is like saying fish don’t swim. Asking forgivness and being forgiven is the key. Do you really believe that God didn’t intend on humans finding pleasure in sex? God made us, He knows we ain’t perfect. He just ask that we do our best. You are doing what every other critic of the bible does so please don’t think you’re original in any form or fashion. I think most people will agree that the bible is not intended to be taken word-for-word and that’s where critics get their fuel, word-for-word.

    Kal, I love that Afghan quote! You brightened my Monday!

  • jennyjen

    Just a random thought: I would absolutely lose my mind if my old man cheated on me with another female. I can’t imagine the rage of muslim wives when their men screw sheep and little boys! Wow! That’s sickening! Do you think they even know, they’d have to with as little as they bathe. Old man coming home with his balls smellin like a barnyard-Shew-whee nasty!

  • Merima

    id like to say that our holly book the Qur’an doesnt imply anything about sex and us Muslim women do treat our men like royalty and we all do belive that they have the word in everything and are the men of the relationships. im sorry if you other women dont look at it that way but if us Muslim women dont say its wrong then i dont see why you are all saying its wrong.. its our religions and we respect it no matter what

  • Tonto (USA)

      The famous Marco Polo wrote about encountering boy child prostitution in his travels.  He said the “pretty little” boys were “broke in” by their fathers and were eventually sold as sex slaves(big money and “honorable” profession) or as part of a rich man’s hareem.  He also mentioned the use of “butt plugs” in the training. Other, less attractive kids, had to become farmers or something.  That was back in 1400 something.  Evidently, the practice was ancient at that time.  Female prostitution is supposed to be the second oldest profession (next to religion) and I favor it, because with prostitution, you at least get something for your money besides promises.
       I believe that God gave us the rules…..we call them the 10 Commandments.  Jesus ascribed to the same belief,  He said so.  When He talks, I listen.  The Lord of us all gave us “free choice” too.  The problem is:  What is right, and what is wrong and who has the right to interpret what those things are?  Who is anyone to punish me for anything?  As a society we agree to live by a set of our own rules that we (together) decide, and the punishment for transgressions.  If you don’t like it you may leave, or form a society that has different rules.  You can see where that has gone.  Brings on a whole lot of head bumping that really doesn’t get anywhere.  In America, we have a Constitution that outlines the whole deal and the recourse we have to modify things as time goes by.   Some aspects and values of life can never be compatible….but the rule of law tells us how we can either get along or suffer consequences.  In other words, if you come here, PLAN on being tolerant and accepting.  That’s what moslems can’t get through their heads, so they need a good, old fashioned, country ass whippin’  occasionally (and around Detroit, they often have) so they get a better grasp of the “code” of society.
      jennyjen, I’m sorry but there’s lots of folks, boys and girls, that cheat.  Not just that but the animal thing ain’t all that uncommon in the US either.  Maybe you’ve never heard the stories, but I have.  I think most males have.  I heard of “personal experiences” from guys too.  Disgusting!  Think about it?  Jokes about chickens, sheep and suckling calves.  You ever hear any of those?  Basis in truth.  Inbreeder jokes too……basis in truth.  I’ve personally concluded that most people are just plain crazy in some way or another.  I just try to slide though with my Honor intact, and my hair staying on my head.  Sometimes I think my wife has “designs” on that.
     

  • FAR

    Kal, I already know about the state of Arab youth and western lifestyles they desire, so much so that new mu’slims in America see these Arab muslims in america in a poor light (same thing goes for those new muslims who have been to pakistan).
     
    Refer to Dr Jeffrey Lang’s “Losing my Religion: A Cry for Help”
    Below is part 1.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMANKaX8khw&feature=related
     
    Oh and Kal, I’slam is not a race, neither can it be promoted with low literacy rates, or limited education of I’slam, or so called “clerics” that are funded by certain organizations which promote counter i’slamic ideals. Refer to Aisha Bewley’s “Muslim Women: A Biographical Dictionary”, and refer to Malek Bennabi’s “Islam in History and Society”, and we already have Dr Jeffrey Lang’s take on it above. And there’s always “Terrorism and the Illuminait” –  refer to the chapter on “The Assassins”:
     
    http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/assassins.html
     
     
     
    Also, how does 1 man, with 13 followers, who gets kicked out of place of birth… end up being the commander and chief of a large part of Arabia? He gathered an army? Where did he get the financing from? His wife? She died, and the Meccans took her stuff.
    As for Muhammed bringing I’slam, didn’t Jesus bring it to his people, what about Moses to his people?
    As for who started the war on Earth. Bringing a battle and calling that the beginning, is one way of pulling wool over people’s eyes.
     
    As for Spain, there was no Spain before I’slam, it was nothing special. But when the mu’slims came there, it was something. So much so, the later Spanish authorities have done much to hide the history of Spain.
    And any fool who refers to such an incident in 18th/19th century near Tripoli would be able to smell the fish. Why on Earth was Thomas Jefferson secretly helping the British, Russian and Catholics???
     
     
    Kal, don’t try and pull more wool on people’s eyes. Especially when such people try to with ch9 verse 5. How about reading the quoting the whole verse? Let me help you:
    (A. J. Arberry translation  http://quran-online.net/)
    (5) Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.
    Faitha insalakha alashhuru alhurumu faoqtuloo almushrikeena haythu wajadtumoohum wakhuthoohum waohsuroohum waoqAAudoo lahum kulla marsadin fain taboo waaqamoo alssalata waatawoo alzzakata fakhalloo sabeelahum inna Allaha ghafoorun raheemun
     
    Does the Quran stop there? Well you can always go to verse 1 of chapter 9…
     
    (1) An acquittal, from God and His Messenger, unto the idolaters with whom you made covenant:
    Baraatun mina Allahi warasoolihi ila allatheena AAahadtum mina almushrikeena
     
    Oh right… a covenant (treaty) must be first established.
     
     
    JennyJen, I’m saying that modern people have raised the bar on marriage. When in the past you were a woman when you first mensurated and a man, when you could support a woman.
     
    If you’re promoting fornication, then no asking forgiveness would ever convince the god. And as for word for word, I would take the words of the god for word for word, and take away those words that were added in by historians and poets and separate the words of the prophets.
     
     
    The Christians were once against fornication, today they just don’t care…
     
    You know what the quran and the traditions of the prophet say, and you’ll agree with me that according to those, fornication is forbidden. If a man and a woman commit a sin, okay perhaps it’s a one off… but when it becomes an epidemic, where mass abortions and ruined family lives occur, with mass divorces, increase in crime and etc etc. Do I say “oh people are weak” and turn a blind eye. Or am I going to find the causes of the weakness and address that?
     
    Here are the causes of modern discontent:
    Lack of homeschooling and self education, lack of teaching others. Because people did not teach I’slam to the Africans, or did not some how achieve teaching others in Europe and regions of China.
    The problems of fornication comes from: preventing new women getting married (whether they be 9 or 12 or whatever) & consuming for pleasure.
    Relying on synthetic nutrition will also cause many problems, and then a desire for pleasure.
     

  • Charles

    Wow, did ask chub…Soz, I mean you…No idea wtf you talking about. One(Jerry) did say you sounded a lot like Kerry in the 70′s tho….Hmm.

  • Charles

    Far, bro…Quit diggin for help in your muslim love complaint back 200 years…Yer speaking of tribal shiat that happened a minimum of a century ago…Logical arguing on my part is that was then, this is now. Muslims STILL do it today.

  • Charles

    Far, my man…Shhhhhhh. Yer brain is workin faster than the logical and rational part of it can comprehend. Most Christian(Despite you mothership muslims believe) families do not raise their girls to convert muslim men. Most muslim/terrorist men hate women and most Christians know that.  CAIR is a Terrorist sympathizer as are your beliefs. I wont even bother using the term “whimsical” for your posts, I will say nonsensical are just that…

  • Charles

    Right on Kal…however you forgot to mention the “red district” in Muslim controlled countries, that house homosexuals. They are the same as American homos(only using that now and from now on to shorten typing) except they do not feel the need to protest, march or be “in your face”.  They openly live a gay lifestyle and are ignored unless they become “political”.

  • Charles

    Interesting, when I was in Kuwait the first war around…several locals were quite humorous about pics they had seen of a certain Palestinian leader(now dead) with young boys…….

  • Charles

    Tonto, bro yer odd…I’ve been to all 50 states and 13 countries in my short life of 37 years…I’ve NEVER heard jokes about having sex with animals as frequent as you claim they occur…So either you are one of the ones that do it or you live in corn row….Dude, all of our disagreements aside: Yer creepy.

  • FAR

    Charles you sound like a good man, don’t ever google “sex with animals”, trust me it’s not pretty.
     
    As for the what people used to do 120 years ago but now don’t or muslims do (majority unfortunately don’t), that is to marry their daughters before they mensurated, and send them to their husband’s house when they mensurated. Fornication in the women population will bearly develop if they went back to those days. Women will no longer be sexually repressed. And if they’re sex lives are crap, they even have the right to divorce on that alone. Such may or may not require polygnistic relationships.
     
    Yes, scrap the schools, scrap the idea of “give them condoms” and instill the idea of get them (girls) married early (the mu’slims will need to defeat the policies that prevented that polygnist christian group from doing so), home school them (girls and boys), teach them about chastity (comendable practice by the christians), teach them about modest clothings (comendable practice by some christians and the amish), instill the idea getting ahead of the massive atheistic influx of top scientists and making the research open source, get rid of the UN, IMF, WTO, EU, and the rest here at .org/wiki/List_of_intergovernmental_organizations or at least open them up and investigate the corruption  etc etc etc.
     
    As regards to mu’slim controlled countries… if they were muslim countries, they’d be doing the above.

  • Tonto (USA)

    Charles, Thanks.  I’ve just been around longer and worked in a factory and heard lots of wierd shit.  If you think it’s creepy, just watch Pelosi for awhile….that’s creepy….and weird.  And look at Obama too.  He reminds me of a real classy pimp.  Why did the chicken cross the road?  Had a hillbilly with a hard-on after him.  Never heard that?  If a married couple from Georga came to Detroit and got a divorce, would they still be brother and sister?  Never heard that one?  Sheltered life, dudette.  You need to get out more.

  • jennyjen

    You know why they don’t teach sex ed and drivers ed on the same day in Pakistan?
    Too hard on the camel.  :)

  • jennyjen

    Far, I’ve decided that your one of those people that are put on earth for my entertainment, much like Oprah, Jesse Jackson, Clay Aiken and many others. Don’t feel bad tho dude, if you open your mind and become a more accepting person; you could possibly bounce out the rut you’ve wedged yourself into.
    Here you are, passing judgment on the way we live in the US. Citing anti-porn, anti-Christianity websites and statistics that are gathered from teenagers about their sex lives. Yeah, that’s some accurate info.  In the same respects, I can run Islam into the ground citing websites and news from the middle East. Once again, only as accurate as the people posting the news.
    Here’s the brass tacks- the US is so free that it looks screwed up from the outside but on the inside it works in the same fashion as your modern-day dysfunctional family. We fight and bicker amongst ourselves but when it comes to another group hating on us, the true Americans stand up and say, “this is my family, don’t talk shit!” The liberals will cry, the conservatives will rage and everyone in the middle will knuck up. You can’t find that in an Islam state. The citizens are scared of the extremists running the government and issuing fatwa’s on mickey fuckin mouse! No freedom of speech, no freedom of religion and no basic human rights. You are pressured to convert to Islam or die. You convert, then they want you to blow yourself up and be a good little follower. Fuck that!  I’ll take my chances in the US all day everyday over that.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    jenneyjen”  LOVED THE CAMEL JOKE, as Far adding to your comedy entertainment, yea right,  sick comedy!  Join with you, I’ll take my chances anyday over that crap religion Islam. 

  • Aisha

    Far -

    Obviously you are mentally deficient.  You need to get a life and stop spending all your time posting ridiculous stuff and silly links that wouldn’t persuade anyone who lives in a free place of jack sh*t. You can’t understand us because we are free and not oppressed. You live in a repressive system , no matter WHERE you live, because you ascribe to the tenants of islam.  When a pedophile went into a cave and had a demon whisper in his ear, we got islam.  You will continue to make an ass of yourself until you break free of all the contradictions and garbage that make up the koran.  And yes, I have read the quran – my translation is by Ahmed Ali and was given to me by my brother-in -law who is a muslim from Persia (Iran).  My sister doesn’t worry about all the crap because she lives under the laws of the good old US of A and did not “convert” to islam.

  • Kal

    Aisha,

    Come now, you have to admit, Far’s posts ARE entertaining ;)

  • Aisha

    Kal -
    It might be entertaining, except Far really believes all the crap he’s slinging. It’s more along the lines of pathetic and misguided, IMHO.  Does your IQ have to be below 80 to convert to islam?  Maybe not but I guess it helps!

  • Kal

    Aisha,

    LMAO@ the IQ question. I think even 80 is too high, but that is just me. Otherwise there would be a ton of my fellow rednecks, hillbillies, beaners and hicks converting :P

  • Tonto (USA)

    Damn, I full of questions tonight. Far, why do you persist?  This site puts so much disrespect and aprobrium on islam it’s pitiful.  Just about everybody here has the utmost contempt for your phony, pedophile  prophet, your unintelligible koran, the shitholes that islam festers in, and your really backward, inane, philosophy.  Why do you bother?  Masocistic, stupid, feel you have a mission?  Really.  I’d like to know.  Absolutely amazing to me……maybe you just feel lonesome and want to talk to somebody and you can’t afford a shrink?  Was up buddy?

  • Charles

    Sorry Far, Muslim controlled countries will beat a man for simply drinking a beer. Same for being seen in public with a female any age. Some go so far as to claim only men can buy “cucumbers” because of the shape. Muslim controlled countries also sentence women whom were raped to prison time, lashings for being alone in public, talking to a man, etc…

  • Charles

    Tonto, imma ignore you now. Yer lame bro, sheltered? Well again, if you consider being shot, stabbed, arresting over 300 sexual predators/rapists/etc…, defending our country, blah blah as sheltered…Alrighty then, KID. But then I’d say “consider the source, Charles”…Get it? I live in Wyoming, MI…Any time you wanna look me up, you hit me up, K killa?

  • FAR

    Actually I’m technically procrastinating here. I’m behind on an assignment (if I want free time that is).
    Aisha-

    Author: S V Mir Ahmad Ali; Title: The Holy Qur’an with English Translation and Commentary according to the version of the Holy Ahlul Bait; Published 1964. Also spelled Ahmed. Commentary was from Hujjatul Islam Ayatullah Haji Mirza Mahdi Pooya Yazdi. After brief review, I found more narrowing of meaning in the translation than seemed justified. Yet, the commentary was satisfyingly flexible, informative. Seems well liked by Shia enthusiasts. One reviewer makes the following observations “Vindicates on the authority of the Qur’an itself such sectarian doctrines of Shias as Imamat, Muta’a (temporary marriage), the nomination of Ali as the Prophet’s successor, Taqqiyya (hiding the faith), Tabarra (cursing), and mourning in the month of Muharram. Invectives used against both the Umayyad and Abbasid rulers. Strongly refutes the view that the Shias believe in the alteration (Tahreef) of the Qur’an.”

    http://www.clay.smith.name/English_Translations.htm
    Sounds like a very biased translation.
     
    The one here: http://www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/ (not picthall) is by a Jew.
    And unless you’ve read the arabic, you ain’t read the quran (that’s what I get told).
    Let me know which i’slamic things you did not like (the ones above are easily debunked). Oh and JennyJen disagrees with your remark that the prophet was a pedophile.
    As for your other remark that I’m mentally deficient, maybe you’re right. I’m only in my early 20s, and I spend most of my time online or studying maths, my IQ is bearly 130. Most of the time I feel an airhead.
     
     
    As for the Laws of the US of A, let me know if the crime rates are better than those in muslim countries. Oh and let me know if the youtube video “30 Little Known Facts about America” is true or not or if the patriot act or the state of the US economy is fine with you.
    As for you being free and not opressed, orwellianism doesn’t count.
     
    I’d have to say thanks to Aisha.
     
    Tonto, all I can say is… where do I unsubscribe?

  • jennyjen

    I like Aisha, the IQ joke is too awesome, maybe lower that to 70 though. I graduated with a guy who’s IQ was 78, he started his own business and has been successful, much like the tale of Forrest Gump!
    I think FAR assumes that Islam can save the world. The problem: No one can be saved unless they want to be. When they decide to be saved and their IQ is over 70, they will go to church, accept Jesus and start doing right by the people they have wronged.  There has to be a will to do good even though it’s the path less traveled.

  • FAR

    My post is waiting moderation.

  • jennyjen

    Mohammad was a pedophile. He was in his 50′s and he had sex with a 9 year old girl, not a woman mind you, a girl.  In modern society, he would be jailed. The jailers would let the other members of his cell block know exactly what he had done and then he would know the true meaning of “convert or die” as his asshole gets expanded every night by a large man named Billy Bob.  He would eventually hang himself in his cell and would have never wrote that terrible book the Koran or started a war-mongering religion.  Dammit! That pedophile walked the earth way too soon.

  • FAR

    Jennyjen, in modern society, half of all your ancestors and of the animal kingdom would be put in jail for practicing as such.
    “On Marriage: Well, I guess you got me on the age of A-OK marriages, just one quick thought tho.” – jennyjen
    WTF jennyjen? Those people made america, and the later generations destroyed america.
    And let me know what a general of an army, a desert warrior slightly taller than someone of medium height, would do to someone Billy Bob.
     
    How do I unsubscribe!?

  • FAR

    First I need the will to unsubscribe!
     
    Can I do it!?
     
    Yes I can!
     
    Do I want to do it!?
     
    Maybe I don’t!
     
    Are there idiots on this site!?
     
    Maybe there are!
     
    Am I taking the example of the idiots!?
     
    I am now!
     
    Ah heck, peace to you all.

  • jennyjen

    One little problem, Islam is stuck in the dark ages and instead of abhorring the practice they embrace it.  Did you read the rest of that post about marriages, the part of my post you’re quoting is sarcastic, oh that’s right, you’re a Muslim, you only believe what you want to believe and anything past that is a sin punishable by death.
    And I would tell you what Billy Bob would do but it’s a little to graphic for this site. Lets just leave it at one very dead pedophile. Desert warrior, bitch please!  He gets write a book about himself and he depicts himself as a warrior, hell I would too, but I’d be right!
    You stated your IQ is around 130, you should be able to figure out how to unsubscribe dipshit.

  • FAR

    I’ve gone now because aisha told me to get a life, do you want me back?

  • Aisha

    No, PLEASE go away.  You are a lost cause – you have too much ego and are unable to grasp new concepts.  And your IQ – so what.  Mine is 147 and I am a doctor, but I am not bragging about it, unlike you.

  • FAR

    (I get a lot of “get lost” remarks from women who study science.)
     
    Aisha:
    I was agreeing with your statement of me being mentally deficient.
    New concepts? Are you trying to tell me that you’re a Fortean?

  • Tonto (USA)

    Far,   Winston Churchill on islam: “How dreadful are the curses which muhammadism lays on it’s votaries!  Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.  Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the prophet rule or live.  A degraded sensualism deprives this life of it’s grace and refinement; the next of it’s dignity and sanctity.  The fact that in mohammadan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property–either as a child, a wife, or a concubine–must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of islam has ceased to be a great power among men.”
      And in my mind, the sooner islam becomes extinct, the better for the whole world.  At this point in time, islam is the greatest force of repression and backwardness in the world today.  It (islam) needs to be extinguished.  And I would just love to help the world attain that end.
     

  • FAR

    Tonto
    I’ve already left, I’ve been jeered and booed like they jeered and booed at Churchill in walthamstow, the town I live…
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/raico-churchill1.html
     

  • Undercover Jordanian

    In order to maintain some sort of authority, you should be sure to change these quotes to actual quotes from a translation recognized and respected by Muslims, rather than the interpretations of Maududi.  His interpretation was just that – an interpretation and not an attempt at actual translation.  In addition, many Muslims consider him to be a bit of a whacko, so if they read this here, they won’t say, “Oh man, this *is* what the Quran says,” they’ll just say “Oh that whacko Maududi.”  I recommend changing your quotes to those from Yusuf Ali, MM Pickthall, Thomas Cleary, Muhammad Asad, or MH Shakir.  Some of these can be found in their complete versions on the internet.

  • http://geocities.com/yahwehcalls/ Haroon Rasheed

    What you are saying is very much true brother. But most Muslims woman won’t agree.
    A frog which has lived in a well its entire life will not agree if you tell it there is
    a great world outside. It will not leave the well. So also it is with Muslim woman.
    Muslim woman have been indoctrinated by the terrorist dogma of Muhammad and they won’t admit the faults of Muhammad so easily.
    We ourselves are a group of ex-muslims from Kashmir who left Islam because Christ is heaven, Muhammad is hell.
    Visit out site http://geocities.com/yahwehcalls/ and download our book on Muhammad, “The Truth about Muhammad”.
    Reach about his leecherous ways and how he created Allah out of thin air to satisfy his lust for women and wealth.

  • Charles

    Jordanian, can I actually quote you:

    Many muslims consider him to be a bit of a whacko <— Seriously????
    As opposed to removing or my bad, I should’ve said gutting clitorises, blowing up busses and buildings and ships and barraks and squares?!?!? REALLY?

  • Brother from another mother

    Charlesie
    Jamaat-e-Islami
    Maududi’s organization^ an off shoot of the muslim brother hood.
     
    USA vs the muslims
     
    Who has killed the most in the last 10 years?

  • Kal

    Brother from another mother,

    That is tough to call. Are you talking just military conflicts, or are you including daily suicide bombings, honor killings of muslimahs, carbombs that take out 60 muslims and one infidel, and the weekly executions in Saudi?

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    jennyjen how profound “the path less traveled.”  i have gone that road all my life, lonely at times but beautiful for the heart and soul.  You can walk at your own pace, not having to hurry to keep up with the world.  You can stop and enjoy the journey not worrying so much about the destination, knowing you will get there in due season.  I have learned this one important assurance, God has never left me or forsaken me, at times I thought I had lost my way. I kept the faith to just keep walking, I wasn’t lost, I just needed to take a detour.   John McCain examples that as he said, he likes being the underdog, how sweet, how faithful, how profound.  Have you ever watched an underdog, he/she just waits, until his time comes.  McCain’s time has come, he will prevail.  I am thankful for that and our country.  You and Liz have been inspiration for me, on my journey in learning patience, and endurance.  Sarah Palin examples, that endurance we all need, our country needs.  Infidels Are Cool.  All the guys on here standing against this reprobate evil, you will overcome because you are doing what is right.  You overcome evil with good, and thanks guys.  We are United We Stand, and it has been such an honor to have known you for a moment in time.  God will honor our faith, our stand and our walk on the “road less traveled,” which has made all the difference.   It will make a big difference  Oct. 7th for John McCain.  Thank God for him to have revelation to say just what is needed, and be effective in giving you know who,  a spiritual knock out punch then come in for the kill the next time after he is down.  Thirty days until D-Day.  God doesn’t need that long, but we as a country do, so get ready it’s going to be a bumpy ride for the enemy, but smooth sailing for John McCain/Sarah Palin.  

  • M

    And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
    But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

  • Omer

    Rudy, Either these things are taken from anti Islamic sites or those sites which have the Islamic name but are only for propaganda giving out the false accusations against Islam and or incomplete verses of the Quran and half explanations intentionally to misguide people. This is the true fact. Now if you will go to an auto workship to buy grocery will it be logical. So please read the original script with explanation. Listen to Zakir Naik. And believe it that he is a very logical person. Read the sayings of Muhammad with explanation. Then ponder upon what you read. ANd the most main thing. Try to read the whole surah(chapter) of a thing. Remember there are many sides of a point. IF anyone can thing that making a resemblance of woman as fields and man having sex with his wife is like plowing in the field in QUran and thats absurd.The other point of view can also be this that Islam resembles women as fields so that men should think that they have to work hard on their relationship with their women. Like you have to water the crops. Work hard day and night to get a fruitful crops. Like wise you have to take care of you wife and set a good example in your relationship so that your wife is also happy and you have healthy mentally strong and content children to face the harshness of the world. The crops standing high and proud facing the sun.

  • jennyjen

    Oh, now I get it! It must be internet day at the asylum! :)

  • Charles

    Brother? Come now, we can be intelligent. Who has killed the most? Overall, the USA has…Directed? The USA has. Why? Because Muslims are too stupid to direct explode their enemies for lack of caring….Who has kill more humans over all? The muslims have, stupid.  I got a question for ya:

    Who has allowed more women/girls to go back to college/school? Well shit, that would be the USA.

    Who has save more women from the removal of their clitoris? Well shit, that would be the USA.

    Any more? I know:

    Who has put to do death MORE gays for being gay in the last ten years?

    Whoops, that would be Muslims, wouldn’t it?

  • Hohum

    What a bunch of ignorant haters. I bet most of you don’t even have any real Muslim friends. Majority of Muslim married people are living quite happily thank you very much and I don’t need to remind you of the 66%+ divorce rate in the UK and USA especially do I? Look if you want to quote things like this then you should also quote a whole load of crap from the likes of the Bible and the Torah (Jewish scripture for the ignorant). In fact most religious texts you can find stuff to try to scare other people with.

    And that is what this, and many of the hateful posts here, are all about: you’re a bunch of chickens who live in fear, let yourselves be ruled by fear, and hate out of fear.

    And if you want to talk about death and destruction why don’t you take a good long look at TWO WORLD WARS. Honestly you people must have very sad empty lives that you need to fill up that emptyness with hate.

  • Aisha

    duudes, how about you refrain from being racist assholes =)
    Just about ALL religions think of women as ‘below’ men..oh well?!  
    The texts from the Qur’an have most probably been misunderstood/misinterpreted.
    If you want to pick on someone..how about Christians =] they aren’t the best bloody religion either..and have caused enough problems, but you don’t see them getting picked on. -_-
    Its the people..[psychotic, fer sure] not their religion..although I suppose it has an influence.

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    @Hohum: Actually we do have Muslim friends. We’re not talking about good Muslims who choose their religion and keep to themselves. It’s the others that want to promote Islam to the point where it is the majority and eventually institute Islamic Law when given the chance. These are radicals posing as “moderates” simply because they aren’t violent. Oh and don’t forget to mention the millions that ARE violent. Those too.

    Your typical response is jumping to complain whenever anyone criticizes Islam, yet choose to be silent when the evil within your own is taking root and growing larger and larger. You sit back and do NOTHING and that makes us question whether or not you are really a “peace loving Muslim”

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Hey, HoHum is right.  I’m not taking long at this, because you aren’t worth my time today or any day.  Who the hell wants a Muslim friend, not me.  I want someone I can trust as a friend.
    OK SO NOW!  This “DICK” LUGAR,  is a red non-American Flag, and is one of Obama’s pals and advisers!  Hello-ooo out there, Lugar is anti-Israel kinda guy, big time.  A dead give-away to  Obama’s intentions.  Pay attention!
    Wake up Israel, and America!!
    If you vote for Obama: you get!
    Nuke made in Iran  (Dick Morris a Jew himself, says not to vote Obama if you know what’s good for you.)
    Four years of Michelle’s bitter rants and 3 AM phone calls.
    Your tax dollars given to Trinity Church, Odinga, ACORN
    Your taxes going up up up and away, to redistribute wealth, JUST ASK JOE!
    JOE IS  ’IN THE KNOW!’
    GOT TO GO!  THANKS TO FANNIE, FREDDIE, ACORN, OBAMA AND PALS
    I OWE I OWE SO OFF TO WORK I GO.  HI HO! HI HO!

    I’m off to Florida next week to visit my new grand girl, keep up the good work IAC.  Kick A$$ jennyjen, and Liz keep the faith, and happy blogging to all.
    traveLight  – breaking news – Southwest possible bomb on board??
    Could it be an Obama pal plant??

  • Tonto (USA)

    ayesha, I told you before.  You can apologize and tell bullshit lies about “how really gentle islam is”, but we ain’t buying it.  You can go on and on about how it has been “misinterpreted”, but bullshit is easily recognizable as bullshit.  Nothing racist or islamiphobic about it.  I’m not prejudiced, I just don’t like islam and the peckerheads that promote it.  See, islam is like something that’s broke, and you can’t fix it (cause the mullahs won’t let any creeping progressiveness in).  So you need to dump it and find something new.  There it is in a nutshell poopsie.  Like it, or lump it.

  • Tonto (USA)

    Hohum, it says right in the muz war manual (koran) that muz are not to have non-muz friends…thems words right from the shithead muhamad.  So how can you have muz friends?  Apologists and borderline apostates may be practicing that quaint muz custom of takysomething that allows them to scam non-muz people at will, so I wouldn’t trust too much in them anyway.  Speaking of divorce?  I remember an Afghan woman in Detroit who divorced her husband. They found her body but never did find her head, or her husband.  I knew at least 5 muz ladies that divorced their husbands.  One was killed alongside her boyfriend as they slept, but the rest were doing OK since I saw them last.  The rate people divorce and why ain’t none of my business, and not yours either.  What makes you think it’s your right to judge anything other people do in their personal lives?  Did somebody forget to tell me that we have morality police now, and you’re captain of the force?

  • Deborah

    1.5 billion muslims.  10% want to kill us. You do the math!  Sure looks like a problem for the rest of the infidel world.  And BTW, I DO have muslim friends – they are ashamed of the behavior of these few but are afraid to protest because they don’t want to be targeted by extremists.

  • Charles

    I don’t have muslim friends – And? Because I have a few polish
    ones I cant listen to or tell polish jokes? Ptth, they are the ones
    that give me the best ones. So logically, if I don’t have MUSLIM
    friends, I have to believe what I am told by those that do? Again
    that would be stupid.

    WW1 was not started by Britain or the USA. WW2 was started by
    an anti-God nutjob. Stalin? Loved no-God theory. Muslims? Sorry,
    but I’m not really seeing Christians burning women for wearing
    a bathing suit or no mask.  And as several peeps on here have
    pointed out before Kal-El and Tonto I believe:
    Muslims have not changed or adapted in the past 1k years or more
    and still live in shitty beliefs and shitty squalor by choice. Once
    again blaming all their problems on Israel and the West.

    Sorry, aren’t most of those shitty countries OIL RICH? Why don’t they
    do what Alaska and Brunei do with THEIR oil money? Ahh, interesting
    question huh? WHY doesn’t Saudi Arabia fund arab countries and not
    terrorist schools for boys only?

    No offense to your highness(correct spelling for intent), but did muslims
    stop to think for one tick, that had it not been for the ALLIES in WW 2
    the muslim faith would no longer exist? Mosques would no longer
    exist? And they muslim asses would be doing what all others would be
    doing: Speaking german, eating mostly crappy food and hailing Der
    Fuhrer. Well actually, no that’s not true. NON-Blondes/Blue eyed
    muslims would all be dead. Get it? Are we clear? GET IT? The western
    countries that you despise, SAVED YOUR RELIGION….Get it? LOL!
    Communists SAVED YOUR RELIGION! French resistance SAVED YOUR
    RELIGION! Christians SAVES YOUR RELIGION! JEWS SAVED YOUR
    RELIGION! Get it now or do you require more?

  • jennyjen

    Who wants a real Muslim friend? They stink, I had class with them in college and I wouldn’t sit within 15 foot of them! I’ll take a westernized Muslim who bathes regularly and realizes Islam is bullshit and America Rocks!! And I think Tonto and Charles have said it best, that’s right Muzzis- kiss our western asses!

    Carolyn, have yourself a wonderful time with your grand-girl! Much Love!

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  • Omer

    Back there I read a post which says non muslims are against those muslims who want to impose Islamic law. First they are not imposing ISlamic laws on non muslims. Second Islam differs from all other religions. It is not the thing of going to church or shrine on Sundays and confess and do what ever one wants on the rest of the working days. Islam is a complete code of life. It is the true way of life. Without its laws implemented it has no life. Nonmuslims in an Islamic state have equal rights. Not even secular states give these rights to foreigners or minorities. As you can see in America mexicans had to fight to get their right and separate identity. Many students were tortured in the ralies. Like wise in India which is the largest democracy according to population you can clearly observe the human rights voilation of the muslims, christian , low caste hindus, and sikh minorities. So even if on the paper you right that secularism is the best what matters is the core psyche of a human being. He will never do justice according to his made rules. To solve this problem in ISlam God is the supreme authority and not the public. In America once the senators passed a bill in the favor of prohibition of alchohol. The nation protested and the bill was taken back. Because of ALchohol and other drugs many disasters happen. Accidents happen. Murders happen. The crime rate of the west is the highest because of the limitless freedom which is also dangerous like no freedom. As Aristotle says ” Excess of every thing is the undoing of man”. Like wise freedom should also have some boundries and some limits. Those boundries has been set by God in the form of Islam. And I think if you read and understand it properly you will find that it is the most peacefull religion. Unlike the Christian Priest rulers in the ancient west. Christianity has been corrupted and modified because bible has been modified. That is why you can’t compare those cruel priest rulers with Islam. People who know Islam if come in power will definitely set things right and make this world a beautiful prospering world. Rather to be a world of monsters and dictators who wage war on other nations for oil and economic boom.

  • Omer

    Islam is against racism where as racism is practiced in so called secular states. The blacks and foreigners are mistreated in the west and are thought to be aliens or worse than animals.

    But Prophet Muhammad clearly states in his last lecture

    ” All of you are the children of Adam. And Adam was made from dust. No rich is superior to poor. No poor is superior to rich. No white to black. No black to white. No Arab to non Arab. No non Arab to Arab. All the humans are equal in the eyes of God. And if any one is superior to other he is only in good actions.”

    Islam is the religion equality and beauty. Come oh good fellows. Come to  Islam. Come to wisdom. Come.

  • jennyjen

    Omer,
    Spare me the crap about the so-called religion of peace, if it’s so damn peaceful why have there been wars in the middle east since the birth of Islam?
    Also, tell the families of the Christians killed in Mosul that Islam is a peaceful religion, make sure you call the family of the Christian aid worker beheaded in Somalia as well.
    If I come to Islam, I’m kickin ass all the way thru it son!

  • jennyjen

    I think there’s a fatwa on Les Paul’s and pit bulls so I wouldn’t be welcomed anyways :P

  • Omer

    First of all define two world wars. And the justification of Bush’s Slaughter for oil.

  • Omer

    Prophet Muhammad and Aisha Siddiqa®?
    by Sabeel Ahmed

    Through the centuries, orientalists have advance numerous accusations and far-fetched

    theories to discredit Islam and its last Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). Praise be to

    Allah alone, all such accusations have been successfully refuted by the Muslims Ummah.

    Currently, one of the ‘reinvented’ accusations against the noble character of the Prophet is

    about his marriage to young Aisha Siddiqa ®.

    Let’s probe some of the orientalists’ charges in detail in the light of modern research,

    historic evidence and the Islamic sources of the Quran and the Sunnah to separate truth from

    falsehood, and display to the world that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is indeed an

    exemplary for all of mankind.

    Two main theories are often advance by orientalists to attack the pure character of

    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) on his marriage to Aisha ® at her young age.

    A. He was a Pedophile.

    B. He was involved in child abuse.

    Let’s analyze each theory to dig out the truth, through the Guidance of Allah (SWT).

    A. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha ® because he was a pedophile?

    Definition of a Pedophile:

    “Pedophile: also spelled PEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult’s arousal

    and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children.

    The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may

    have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with

    an adult.” Encyclopedia Britannica, 1998

    “pe.do.phil.ia n [NL] (1906): sexual perversion in which children are the preferred

    sexual object — pe.do.phil.i.ac or pe.do.phil.ic adj.” Merriam Webster’s Collegiate

    Dictionary

    The diagnostic criteria for pedophilia according to American Psychiatric Association:

    # Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent intense sexual urges and sexual

    arousing fantasies involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children.
    # The person has acted on these urges, or is markedly distressed by them.
    # The person is at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child or

    children in A.

    DSM-III-R Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, ed 3, revised,

    copyright American Psychiatric Association.

    “In addition to their pedophilia, a significant number of pedophiles are concomitantly

    or have previously been involved in exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape”. (Voyeurism’s the

    recurrent preoccupation with fantasized or acts that involve seeking out or observing people

    who are naked, or are engaged in grooming or in sexual activity”. Synopsis of psychiatry,

    Harold I.Kaplan et al., 5th ed., pg360, Publishers: Williams and Wilkens, 1988
    Does the Prophet fit the above criteria of a pedophile?

    With the above criteria of a pedophile in mind, lets analyze the lifestyle of the

    prophet and his marriages.

    Name of Bride     Bride’s age at marriage     Comments
    Khadija bint khawilad     40     Twice widowed before
    Sauda Bint Zama     50     Widow
    Aisha bint Abu Bakr     9     Started living with the prophet at the age of 9.
    Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab     22     Widow
    Zainab bint Khuzaima     30      
    Umm-I-Salma bint Abu Umayia     26     Widow
    Zainab Bint Jahash     38     Widow
    Juwaeria Bint Harith     20     Widow
    Umm-I-Habiba bint Abu Sufyan     36     Widow
    Marya Qibtiya bint shamun     17     Virgin, Egyptian
    Safia bint Hayi bin Akhtab     17     Widow
    Raihana bint umru bin hanafa     Not available      
    Maimuna bint harith     36     Widow

    Source: The Prophet of Islam, the Ideal Husband, by Syed Abu Zafar Zain, Kazi

    Publications, Lahore, Ist Ed., pg. 10-12

    Statistics from the above table:

    Percentage of his wives who were 17years and older = 91 %

    Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%

    Comment: The statistics show that the prophet’s marriage to Aisha at her young age was

    an exception and not a norm of his other marriages. Furthermore ‘a pedophile’s main mode of

    sexual satisfaction is with prepubescent girls’, which is contradictory to the 91% of

    prophet’s marriage to women 17 years and over. An unbiased examination of Prophet’s life and

    his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of his lifestyle fitting that of a

    pedophile. All his brides were aged widows (except Aisha and Marium).

    Moreover, according to the criteria in the references cited above in ‘Synopsis of

    Psychiatry’, a vast majority of pedophiles possess a history of exhibitionism, voyeurism, or

    rape. Again, there is no single reference from either religious or secular sources that the

    noble Prophet ever indulged in such sadistic behavior (God forbid). This truth is observed

    and accepted by both Muslims and unbiased non-Muslims scholars.

    “It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of

    Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that

    mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to

    you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I

    re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian

    teacher.” – Annie Besant, THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD, Madras, 1932, p. 4.

    B. Others claim that the noble Prophet (peace be upon him) indulged in child-abuse when

    he married Aisha at her young age.

    Let scrutinize this allegation…

    Definition of Child Abuse:

    Child Abuse, also called CRUELTY TO CHILDREN, the willful and unjustifiable infliction

    of pain and suffering on children. The term can denote the use of inordinate physical

    violence; unjustifiable verbal abuse; the failure to furnish proper shelter, nourishment,

    medical treatment, or emotional support; incest; other cases of sexual molestation or rape;

    and the making of child pornography. Frequently described by the medical profession as the

    “battered-child syndrome,” abusive treatment of children is almost universally proscribed by

    criminal statutes. Child abuse can have serious future consequences for the victims

    involved. Delays in physical growth, impaired language and cognitive abilities, and problems

    in personality development, learning, and behavior are common following instances of child

    abuse or neglect.Encyclopedia Britannica, 1998

    Comment: None of the criteria of child-abuse applies to the noble life of the Prophet

    (pbuh). There is no single incident of any infliction of pain and suffering by the prophet

    on Aisha or any other human being for that matter. Neither any instance of verbal or sexual

    abuse can be concluded from the relationship of the prophet with Aisha ® or any of his

    wives.

    An abused child can have serious future consequences…delayed physical growth, impaired

    language..learning and behavior…etc (above definition). As one examines the chaste life of

    Aisha ®, her personality, physical, mental and spiritual development are all contrary to

    that of an abused child. In fact through the Prophet’s marriage and his guidance to Aisha,

    history testifies that she should be labeled not as an abused child but as a ‘blessed

    child’.

    After analyzing and refuting the accusations against the noble character of Prophet

    Muhammad (peace be upon him), the only viable alternative left with us is:
    C. The Prophet married Aisha for the benefit of Islam and Humanity.

    Lets analyze…

    # The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:

    # To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest

    companion).
    # To educate and train Aisha so she may serve the purposes of Islam.
    # To teach her to utilize her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

    # Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahi (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from

    the Prophet, ‘He said, “I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you

    were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed

    me by opening your face. You are just like that…” Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p.285.

    #   Aisha ® was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from

    the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

    #   In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she

    came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close

    companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

    Aishah lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been

    his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of

    the two most important sources of God’s guidance, the Quran and the Sunnah of His Prophet.

    Aishah ® was one of the three wives (the other two being Hafsa ® and Umm Salamah ®) who

    memorized the Revelation. Like Hafsa ®, she had her own script of the Quran written after

    the Prophet had died.

    # So far as the Hadith or sayings of the Prophet is concerned, Aishah ® is one of four

    persons (the others being Abu Hurrah, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Ana ibn Malik) who transmitted

    more than two thousand sayings. From her, 2210 Hadith have come, out of which 174 Hadith are

    commonly agreed upon by both Bukhari and Muslim. Many of her transmissions pertain to some

    of the most intimate aspects of personal behavior which only someone in Aishah’s position

    could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of Hadith was passed on in

    written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah who became one of the

    greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions. It is the claim of the Scholars

    of Islam that without her, half of the Ilm-I-Hadith [knowledge, understanding of the Hadith

    (and Islam)] would have perished.

    #   Many of the learned companions of the Prophet and their followers benefited from

    Aishah’s knowledge. Abu Musa al-Ashari once said: “If we companions of the Messenger of God

    had any difficulty on a matter, we asked Aisha about it.”

    “Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu

    Musa al-Ashari came to Aishah, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him

    peace, and said to her, “The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to

    bring before you has distressed me.” She said, “What is that? You did not ask your mother

    about it, so ask me.” He said, “A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not

    ejaculate. “She said, “When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is

    obligatory.” Abu Musa added, “I shall never ask anyone about this after you.” Al-Muwatta of

    Imam Malik Hadith 2.75

    Arwa Bin Zubair says, “I did not find anyone more proficient (than Aisha ®) in the

    knowledge of the Holy Quran, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited),

    Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to

    consult Aisha ® in resolving intricate issued”.Jala-ul-Afham by Ibn Qaiyem and Ibn Sa’ad,

    Vol.2, p.26

    Abu Musa al-Ashari says: “Never had we (the companions) had any difficulty for the

    solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from

    her”.Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, pg. 163

    # As a teacher she had a clear and persuasive manner of speech and her power of oratory

    has been described in superlative terms by al-Ahnaf who said: “I have heard speeches of Abu

    Bakr and Umar, Uthman and Ali and the Khulafa up to this day, but I have not heard speech

    more persuasive and more beautiful from the mouth of any person than from the mouth of

    Aishah.”

    The Prophet said, “The superiority of ‘Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of

    Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection,

    but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of

    Pharaoh.” Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Narrated by Abu Musa Al Ashari Hadith 4.643
    Musa Ibn Talha ® says, “I did not see anyone more eloquent than Aisha ®” Mustadrak of

    Hakim, Vol.4,p.11

    # Men and women came from far and wide to benefit from her knowledge.

    Aisha’s great interest in the study of the Qur’an is understandable. She was an

    eye-witness to a number of revelations and had therefore a clear idea of the circumstances

    in which they were revealed. It was on her bed alone (and no other consort’s) that the

    Prophet received Wahi (Divine Revelations) several times. This helped her in interpreting

    the verses.

    # At the time of the Prophet’s death, the Prophet’s head was on her lap. It was in her

    quarters that the Prophet was buried.

    The life of Aishah (R) is a proof that a woman can be far more learned than men and that

    she can be the teacher of scholars and experts. Her life is also a proof that a woman can

    exert influence over men and women and provide them with inspiration and leadership. Aisha

    (R) is a continuing inspiration and role model to today’s youth who are diligently searching

    for an example amongst the pop stars, movie actresses and sports stars. May the memory of

    her’s live forever in the heart of the Muslim Ummah and may Allah grant her the highest

    abode in Paradise…Aameen.

    Conclusion:

    It was the aforementioned qualities of Aisha ® and the Prophet’s guidance in molding

    these capabilities for the service of Islam, were the main reasons, why the Prophet Married

    young Aisha ®, and not the perverted reasons brought forth by misguided orientalists.

    Muslims invite all sincere humans to study the life of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon)

    in the light of the authentic sources of the Quran and the Sunnah (exemplary sayings and

    deeds of the Prophet) and judge for themselves where the truth lies. Indeed, by recognizing

    the truth of Islam as the final and complete Guidance sent by our Creator can humanity find

    lasting peace in this world and a means of salvation from the hell fire in the hereafter.

    “I have studied him – the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ,

    he must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume

    the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that

    would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of

    Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be

    acceptable to the Europe of today.” George Bernard Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol. 1, No.

    81936.

    Though, the Prophet is not among us in his flesh, but his exemplary life has been

    preserved for all humanity to follow.

    When Truth comes Falsehood disappears, Islam came, now Shirk (polytheism) must clear

    Welcome to Islam…

    [While writing this article, MR. SABEEL AHMED (E-mail: [email]islam662@cssn.net[/email] or

    [email]Islam_662@hotmail.com[/email]) is at the final stage of his medical programme in Ross University,

    New York. He is the Co-chairman of the Da’wa Committee and Board of Director at the Muslim

    Community Center Masjid (the largest mosque in the Illinois state). He is also a member of

    the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) where he is actively involved in the ‘toll free

    da’wa hotline’ 1-800-662-islam, having first hand experience in handling calls by

    non-Muslim. He was a student of Shaykh Ahmed Deedat and his main field of interest is in

    comparative religion.]

  • jennyjen

    Last time I checked, the first world war was started by an assassination in Eastern Europe and the second was started by Hitler. Correct me if I’m wrong but the bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese engaged the US in war, not the other way around. Japan was an ally of Germany so we had to fight them as well and save the world from Hitler. Say it with me Omer, “Thank you America for saving my country and religion in WW2 so my sorry ass can criticize your policies currently”.
    You say Bush’s war is for oil, he says its for WMD’s. I guess we have ourselves a standoff seeing as no man is better than any other man. That’s what you stated in your earlier post.
    Mohammed was a pedophile. It doesn’t matter how many wives he had that were over the age of 17, all it takes is one under. I’m currently in the middle of, “The Jewel of Medina”, that Aisha was a little less than honorable wasn’t she??

  • Kal

    Omer,

    Nice cut and paste job of propaganda there. But just because muslims refute Muhammad being a pedophile does not make it so. As for islam being against racism, then why are African women sold into prostitution in Dubai, Manama, and many other islamic places? Why do the Indonesian, Phillipina, and Bangladeshi maids get such harsh treatment in Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi, and Lebanon? If islam is for equal rights, why were there riots in Kuwait over the workers being paid 70 dollars a month to work 14 hours a day?

    As for the World Wars, the first one was triggered by an assassination which compelled allied nations to support one another until it got out of hand, and the second by Hitler, a big fan of Muhammad (who also slaughtered Jews, in addition to raping little girls), calling for the destruction of the Jews. Funny, they survived, insha allah, because ya manyuk muslims are too busy blowing themselves up to do anything of any consequence in the world.

    You whine about Bush’s war for oil, how about islam’s wars on Europe, and the US, and North Africa? All three were attacked by muslim jihadists in the last 1400 years. To say America is to blame for islamic terrorism is a sorry serving of taqqiya, the muslim Berber Pirates attacked the merchant vessels of the United States and Europe in the 1780s. They also invaded Africa in the 8th century, and tried to invade Europe twice, succeeding the first time.

    When truth comes falsehood DOES disappear, that is why so many are leaving islam, and why muslims are killing them for it. Everyone knows islam is a crock of shit, and the only thing muslims can do to stop people from leaving is kill them. That’s some religion of peace there, khanzir

  • Deborah

    Omar -

    Guess you have never lived in a “free” society.  Unfortunately, you have been brought up in a cauldron of shit and as a result you don’t know shit if you see it.  If you could ever open your eyes and look past the insane rhetoric, you might possibly see that apologetics in islam mean attacking the person asking questions, not giving answers. Logic and evidence have no place in islam. BTW, your prophet did not question the accuracy of the Bible.  The lie that the Bible had been corrupted came centuries after Mohammad died when muslim scholars realized there were contradictions between the koran and the Bible and the koran points to the Bible as truth over 120 times. 
    Also, Shiites claim that Uthman left out 25% of the original  verses for political reasons. And how about the verses left out that talk about worshiping 3 goddesses – daughters of allah?  I especially like sura 66 in which Mohammad gets allah’s permission to break a promise to Hafsa and screw the Christian slave-girl.  NIce, but  what do you expect from the god of a pedephil?
    The Bible has no such inconsistancies and has been verified by the Dead Sea scrolls which do not vary from modern texts.

  • Charles

    I see Kal posted, so I don’t have to read more than a paragraph of yer crap filled post Omer, he’ll pretty much nail ya head on. Yes equal rights, that’s why in the
    first Gulf war we were told to put crosses and star of davids tucked into our
    shirts as it was against the law to be shown. LOL EQUAL INDEED! Same shit 2nd
    time around. Punishment for having a Victorias Secret which shows NO nudity? Well if yer a US Soldier, Not death. If yer a visitor or Arab? Death. If the “judge” and I use that term VERY lightly, is in a good mood you only get whipped for an hour.  God forbid yer a woman that gets raped, then the real EQUAL shit kicks in and the MUSLIMs compassion for Womens rights….Then she get 3yrs in prison…YAY! YOU SURE ARE EQUAL! LOL! Kal pointed this out, I echoed it in later posts after him:
    The difference between Muslims and Christianity:
    Christianity is not sitting in 600 AD. Muslim faith is the same NOW
    that it was then. Know what’s funny? Alot of non-jihad muslims back
    then preferred to live in “conquered” lands by Christians, they were
    treated better. See that? Not your dilluted version of history, but actual
    history. Name one non-destructive invention ANY muslim run country
    has EVER invented that helps HUMANITY and not just muslims????? Hmmm?
    I know the Jews have, Christians have, Hindus have, hell even Indians of
    America have…When I say Christians I blanket all(CRC, Catholics, etc…).

    Dammit even Atheists have!!!! How sad is that? In THIS country, I could
    believe in Zeus, Kal could believe in Gaia, Jen could believe in Christ, etc…
    YET WE ARE NOT HUNG FOR IT, OPPRESSED FOR IT, DENIED FOR IT,
    and we can ALL get not only an EDUCATION but HIGHER to boot…How about
    in a muslim land???? Can Jen? How about a woman that believes in Wiccan
    theory? How about a Gay man that happens to be a follower of Christ and
    has a jewish mate, and both are handicapped? LOL! Only in America can
    any of those scenarios go well….

    Jen/Kal Was only an example, I didn’t mean to imply you believed that…Only
    used a couple of names known on here for posting. Apologies if I offended.

  • Tonto (USA)

      Dang!  You guys pasted Omar’s phony ass to the wall!  Good job!  You’re right.  The convoluted unreasoning is hard to decipher and one can lose sight of the original point of contention.  Actually, it was all pointless.  A child rapist remains a child rapist.  The swine was a lecherous puke and wanted to stick his peepee into whatever turned him on.  That’s why he said not to eat pig meat….he really LIKED pigs.  He also forbade wine, cause he knew that too many coolers made the piggies look even better that usual.  Those are some bits of lore the didn’t put in the hadiths they published.
    Omar, personally, I think muhamad (piss be upon him in hell forever) was driven crazy by the chinle (evil spirits) of the people he slaughtered and robbed and raped and he got more crazy as time went on. The little prick died at a young age for a leader of his time you know.  So I wonder what he died of.  Ayiesha lived for 50 years after muhammad (the raper of small rodents) so it probably wasn’t STDs…….I wonder if he was quietly murdered.  That is/was a very prevalent MO of the times, and would have been easily covered up by the successors of his evil empire, and the empire could continue.  And Ayiesha did actually become a big leader of the empire after that, and she didn’t have to put up with muhamad’s (may a swarm of fleas inhabit his snuggies) poking any more.  Makes ya think, don’t it?

  • Omer

    Jenny. SO you fought agianst the Japanese by killing millions of innocent civilians. The public. How dare you justify your points. Islam says not to kill children, old men.women, plants animals. those who don’t want to fight, retards, and your government killed innocent civilians. Even now the children of those who survived from the nuclear attacks bore retarted children. The whole generation of those people are retarted for ever. How could you justfiy that. Forgot sake they were innocent civilians. HOW DARE YOU JUSTIFY THAT.  Today a barbarian muslim named Omer is shocked to read such an insane post which is disgrace to human rights. Which is disgrace to life, Which is disgrace to freedom. This is your morality and values. This is your high standard democracy. If one muslim country launches a missile and I am saying missile not a nuke on AMerica then she will try to wipe out every Muslim country on the Planet Earth. And you are justifying the barbaric action of you government knowingly so bluntly. The pilot of that plane from which that nuke was launched commited suicide by jumping from the plane. Because he was told that these nukes are not being launched on the population but the forests or other place. The co pilot got mad after knowing what he has done. And you are defending it. How pathetic. You can see for your selves if you are reasonable. That who is the terrorist now.

  • Omer

    I know that either of us have not met each other or seen each other. But imagine I am looking in your eyes. I ask a question from you. You people say that Islam is the religion of Barbarians and it has many strict punishments. You people give the ideas like eliminate crime not the criminal. You people say that Islam is not the religion of peace because it teaches that if a person commits theft his hands should be cut. And you prefer to educate the thieve. But you people want to eliminate terrorism by killing terrorists. While overlooking the root cause or eliminating terrorism instead of killing terrorists. I ask where is your education now. Where is your moral ideals. Where is your character as a super power. This is itself a disgrace to humanity and a hypocrisy in itself.

  • jennyjen

    Omer, I didn’t fight anyone, I wasn’t around when Japan sneak attacked Pearl Harbor with the absolute intention of engaging the US in war. The Japanese thought they could grab the bull by the horns, they found out quickly it was a bad idea.  Do I completely agree that bombing the shit out of Japan was the best solution, no. Do I agree that it was a solution, yes. It was done out of defense, what Muslims are doing to Christians is fueled by evil. So be shocked Omer, I’m shocked that Islam is reconized as a religion instead of a war-mongering, pedophile worshipping hate cult.
    The pilot of that plane did not jump out and commit suicide, he passed away a couple of years ago peacefully in his home. I watched the interview where he stated he did not regret volunteering to fly the Enola Gay, someone had to do it and he was proud to serve his country. The co-pilot volunteered as well so take that taqiyya somewhere else shit for brains. Go play with a pig if your just gonna make up lies.

  • Chris
    Omer,

    Islam is all about bigotry and that is seen in the persecution of Christains and Jews across the Islamic. These actions will speak louder then your lies ever will.

    Obviously America is not trying to wipe out every Muslim on the planet. At least try and come up with something better then that.

    Islam is the disgrace to humanity.
    Islam itself is the root cause of terrorism. Go prosteltize somewhere else.
  • Joan

    Jenny,
    In addition to your observations, which to my best belief and knowledge from my parents who had close first hand knowledge from WW11 I would like to add, that the dropping of the Atomic weapons or bombs on the two Japanese cities, while regrettable were brought about by the refusal of Japan to surrender.
    Japan was given every chance but refused, the Allies then gave them a second ultimatum to surrender, and they did refuse a second time so the second bomb or A Weapon was dropped, which brought about surrender.
    No such weapon would have been dropped at all if they had accepted surrender, they were on both occasions given the facts and in addition allied bombers dropped leaflets in Japanese to warn of what was to come.
    In view of all this, which is accepted Historical fact and can be obtained with a simple search engine,one would conclude that it was in the hands of the Japanese themselves who did cause the A Bomb or weapon to be released. While regrettable, it saved millions of Allied lives and after being given every chance to surrender they made it clear they would not, a land invasion was the only alternative, which would have caused great allied loss of life, which was unacceptable both at that time and in the present also.
    Japan was told of the weapon and what power it held, and what was going to happen, also they had chance to evacuate via the leaflet information, dropped by Allied planes.

    Joan

  • Omer

    BY you I am saying the Americans. The Americans fought. And what ever the strategic motives, it was wrong to target the innocent population. You said that we had to fight with Japan to stop Hitler. So it means you clearly agree with the Nuke Blasts. If you have eliminated Hitler so what. You have created new Hitler new dictators and new butchers like bush.  Yes and you justify killing innocents out of defense. And now you are the people who scream out loud whenever a country becomes a nuclear power especially if she is a muslim country. Even the pig headed russians didn’t blast an atomic bomb but so called Freedom loving America did. And still you are pathetically justifying that act. I wonder why then and still these so called human rights organizations which are puppet organizations say America bad for doing bad and evil things. I wonder whether they are also political organizations who are used for  political motives.

  • Chris

    Mohammad OKed the killing of men and women on night raids.

    Koran verse 5 32 says that Muslims can kill anyone for spreading “mischief” in the land.
    Mischief can be anything Muslims say it is.
    005.032
    YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
  • Chris

    Omer, 

       We are not going to accept Islam nor are we going to turn against our own country for you. When we ended the Japan war with those bombs, more lives were saved in the long run.
    This thread is about women and Islam and I am not sure why any Muslim here is being allowed to constantly take the focus off of Islam.
  • Joan

    Chris,
    It is a diversion tactic. I suggest we just ignore it and stick to topic.

    Joan

  • Gregory

    Omer. Who died and made you the big expert on how to end a war? And that statement about the co-pilot committing suicide is a joke. I got news for you. He came from a generation where men were MEN. and in Japan there were NO INNOCENT CIVILIANS.  That whole society supported the aggression and the war. Those idiots actually thought that their emporer was a god and that their superiority allowed them to take over the world.  Sheeesh.

  • Joan

    Gregory,
    You are right, now who do they remind you of today ?

  • Omer

    Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!. (Al-Ma’idah 5:32)

    Where does it say that it allows the murder of innocents.

    [Ibn Katheer | Tabari | Qurtubi]

  • Omer

    What is Jihad according to Quran and Hadith?

    Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. 2:190

    And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. 2:193

    And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: “Our Lord! rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help! 4:75

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 65:

    Narrated Abu Musa:

    A man came to the Prophet and asked, “A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah’s Cause?” The Prophet said, “He who fights that Allah’s Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause.”

    “Do not kill any old person, any child or any woman” (Abu Dawud).

    “Do not kill the monks in monasteries” or “Do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship” (Musnad of Ibn Hanbal).

    “Do not cut off ears and noses and other parts of the body. Do not kill women and children, the elderly, and men of religion in their places of worship. Do not cut down date and other trees, and do not tear down buildings.”(Bukhari)

  • jennyjen

    Omer, please crack open a history book or google the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Japan struck the US first. The US had intended to stay out of the mess of WW2 until Pearl Harbor. What about the innocent people that were killed at Pearl Harbor? Do they not matter?
    As Joan points out, they were given time to surrender but refused so Japan is responsible for it’s own fate. We didn’t fight Japan to stop Hitler, we made an example out of Japan to stop Hitler- it worked. Hitler is responsible for 6 million deaths, there could have been more if not for America flexing muscle and kicking ass. So once again Omer, you could be speaking German if not for America, be grateful you fool.

  • Joan

    All this talk of whom does not allow the murder of innocents is rather perplexing.The people travelling to work on the London underground were non combatants and those in work at the World Trade Centre were also non combatants I believe.
    Is Jihad not the slaughter of non combatant innocents.

    Joan

  • jennyjen

    Joan, OH SNAP!!! Excellent!!
    Jihad is the spreading of Islam via the sword or bomb, plane, AK, whatever you got handy. Combatant or non combatant although they prefer for the victim to be unarmed. The sheepbangers need an unfair advantage to win.  It could also explain why they are so oppressive of women and have issued a fatwa on tomboy behavior. Inferiority complex combined with sand in their asses makes them a little testy!

  • Joan

    The followers of Islam have declared war on the west. Jihad is murder in order to dominate the world. The killing of innocents as the tool of terror is obviously allowed in the violent and hate filled verses of the Koran.

    The suicide bomber gives the innocent no chance at all, none of the victims are armed, the Jihad that is waged against unarmed civillians is both cowardly and unlawful in the terms of battle.

    Snipers pick off allied forces in Afghan and Iraq, hiding in the bushes armed with an AK47 which has no doubt been freely given by Iran, they act like this as it is a fact they cannot defeat our forces on the fields in battle. And they never will.

    Joan

  • Deborah

    Omar –
    You say “Don’t kill people sitting in places of worship”?  Didn’t the crazies target a school for rabbi’s recently and don’t they usually target Jews in Temple or on the Sabbath?  Or are only muslims “innocents” by your definition so Jews and Christians are fair game?   You are obviously mentally deficient and you sound just like FAR who posted earlier.

  • Joan

    As for whose Religion says do not kill, take a look at the Christian Bible. I am not sure if it applies to the Jewish Religion but the Holy Bible I read, says

    Thou shall not kill.

    The koran has verses and verses of Jihad related violence. The Bible is quite clear.

    Joan

  • Charles

    Just another to top off the WW2/Japan thing:

    If I am not mistaken, the ultimate decision to nuke the first
    city was due to evidence received by the U.S. that the Emperor
    had ordered: If mainland Japan was invaded, all POW’s were to
    be killed. At that time, the #’s were in the 100,000′s. We nuked
    the first city….The Emperor denied it to his people and refused
    to surrender. Then we nuked the second one.

  • Joan

    You are correct Charles. 
    That together with the unbelievable loss of Allied life that would have happened on landing invasion.

    so it has no bearing on today and the Islam problem, none whatsoever, all this is just a smokescreen to get the heat off Islam, because we are saying the truth.

    Joan

  • Tonto (USA)

      Who are you kidding Omer?  Since 9/11, when we began counting, jihadis have attacked others, for whatever reason connected to islam, 12130+ times.  I have no idea how many innocents were killed, but at an average of 5 persons dead per attack (for example), that means they killed at LEAST 60,650 people.  Remember that’s a minimum.  It’s one thing to kill several people from dropping a bomb from an airplane, and quite another to kill face to face.  You claim that islam is gentle but that lie is easy to call.  All one must do is go to any of several video sites in which one can find MANY fine examples of islam killing people by stoning, burning them to death, shooting, hanging, or decapitating them.  What fun it wuld be to be islamic and a psychotic at the same time.  I wonder if BEING a muslim might make a person a psychotic killer….seems that they are the main group in the world which indulges themselves the most with killing others.  And they seem to delight as much in killing other muslims as killing people that they are “gently” trying to convert to islam.  It’s always islam, not anybody else that has been agrieved somehow so they were “forced” to kill whoever it was that transgressed against islam.  And that seems to be their FIRST resort, never their last.  So bag your horse puckey and try selling it to some one less gullible.  Muslim have PROVEN themselves to be killers that will lie and smile to your face and stab you in the back, and scream alla akbar while you die.  You muslims are disgusting.

  • Tonto (USA)

      Omar, Wasn’t The King of Jordan killed by a Palestinian while the king was praying in the mosque?  That was King Hussein’s father wasn’t it?  That’s why King Hussein was so rough on the Palestinians when he kicked them out in “Black September”?  Didn’t Jordan’s bedouin army kill about 30,000 Palestinians who were trying to flee Jordan because they weren’t moving fast enough?  I heard they “put them to the sword”, literally. Lots of good old blood and guts on that one, huh?  And how many millions of muz were killed by muz in Saddam’s war against the Iran mullahs?  About 10 million died in those 8 years, right?  Yep, good old islam being peaceful there.

  • Omer

    You people have proved that American nation as well as American public are insane. You have also proved that you have started the countdown of your destruction. If America wants war we will give war. And don’t forget the rape of women by US soldiers in Vietnam. Your own movies show it.

  • Omer

    “Support our troops.” I see the slogan on cars and lawns daily. However, if supporting our troops results in incidents anything like the immoral and bloody incidents listed above, I can see no place for support for them by any person with a conscience. I think that the absolute best way to support our troops is to give them a competent commander. What if the head of Texaco controlled the most powerful military on Earth? Would you really trust that Texaco and its Army were fighting for honorable and noble purposes? If the thought of a coroporate ruler disturbs you, then shouldn’t the thought of a president with corporate ties also be disturbing? I don’t know a single person who was not disgusted when he or she heard about an internal corporate memo that admitted deadly flaws in a company’s product, yet the calculated cost of lawsuits was cheaper than the cost of recalling and repairing the problem (e.g. the Ford Pinto’s tendency to catch fire, similar to the more recent lawsuits about the Crown Victoria). Would you be willing to put your life on the line for someone who determines your fate based on what good it will bring the economy? Such reasoning is beyond corrupt, yet it has been practiced by nearly every US President since the second World War, including Bush. It is for this reason that I feel he should not be re-elected. I do have hopes that Kerry would do better in this reguard, because he did speak out against the war in Vietnam; however, the historical record shows that American presidents are unlikely to approach war in anything but economic terms. Invasion of oil-rich Kuwait brought quick American retribution, yet Rowandan genocide barely got a headline.

    Therefore, the impetus to have a President as far removed from corporations as possible makes some sense. If you know which corporations are funding the presidency, you have a pretty good idea of whose interests the administration is serving. The modern-day Gettysburg Address might conclude as follows: that government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations, shall not perish from the earth.

    To call the current system a true democracy is a bit far fetched. Less than half the population voted in the 2000 election (read: democratically speaking, America is not a democracy), and to be on the ballot you must be extraordinarily wealthy. At present, the US has no chance of having a blue-collar president. What exists here is more aptly described as a plutocracy, or in the case of the Bushes or Kennedy’s, an oligarchy. Democrats and Republicans alike are entreched in playing the same foul game, yet neither side offers something that is truly different. It’s like this country is stuck in a deranged South Park episode where the only candidates available are either a giant duche or a turd-sandwhich. And the alternatives are not allowed to speak. During the final Bush-Kerry debate, the Libertarian and Green party candidates, Badnarik and Cobb, were tactifully arrested and prevented from entering. I find that a bit spooky in a country which supposedly champions the rights of free speech and democratic elections.
    Corporate Influence in Politics

  • Omer

    I suspect many of Top 25 Republican Donors would also pay their dues to a Democratic president to get their way. If you’ve ever withheld money from a pan-handler because you suspected that he would use it to buy alcohol, then you can understand why companies with strong political ties should be boycotted. Think of it this way: going to DisneyLand, drinking a Pepsi, buying a Ford, filling your car, or using Microsoft Windows indirectly results in the overthrow of a foreign government or the death of its citizens.
    Top 25 Rebublican Donors

  • Omer

    All statistics from http://www.opensecrets.org
    1. Altria (formerly Philip Morris)   2. AT&T   3. Microsoft Corp.   4. United Parcel Servies   5. MBNA   6. Citigroup   7. Pfizer   8. FedEx   9. Bristol-Myers Squibb  10. GlaxoSmithKline  11. Wal-Mart  12. General Electric  13. ExxonMobil  14. AOL Time Warner  15. Anheuser Busch  16. ChevronTexaco
    17. PepsiCo  18. Schering Plough  19. Archer Daniels Midland  20. Wyeth (formerly American Home Products)  21. Alticor Inc.  22. American Airlines
    23. Ford  24. BP Amoco  25. Disney
    Suggestions for change? Get money out of our politics. End handouts to corporations: the possibility for corruption is too great. Foreign policy? Stop screwing around with the affairs of others. Be a good neighbor: follow the Golden Rule. If we wouldn’t want a foreign country overthrowing our democratically elected leader, why should we overthrow someone else’s? Accountability for politicians who crossed the line. For example, if it is well-known that Lyndon Johnson cheated in his Texas election to governor with the fabricated votes in Alice, why is he still honored as having done America some sort of service? His dishonorable morals are a disgrace. One of the most pathetic shows of loyalty I have ever seen was the Chinese unfailing allegiance to their beloved Chairman Mao. Yes, he put China on the map, but his disasterous social policies killed more Chinese than any foreign invasion. The American party system? If these are the only choices we have, something must change. If valid alternatives are arrested before they can debate, how can we possibly hear our options for change? The most important thing, however, is for the citizens in this country to inform themselves. The politicians work FOR the citizens. The people of this country are their boss. But if we don’t know what the issues are or how the system works, we are being a lousy boss. In that case, laws will continually be rewritten in favor of the politicians and the corporations funding them.

  • Joan

    Christ, some of these posts are rants alright, I am just wondering does anyone now if secure mental establishments allow inmates to have access to the internet ?
    What state are these posts coming from, perhaps we could make contact with the institution concerned on the grounds the internet may perhaps be harmful to the mentally ill.

    Joan

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Joan: Girl/Boy you got that right!  This Omer character, does he ever take a breath of fresh air?  He’s been on here for weeks and all the counseling in the world has only made things worse.  Quick story just to break up the monotony.
    I asked this lady at the card shop to help me pick out a birthday card for a friend and she said:  “What’s your friend like?”   So I told her.
    Then she told me to get out or she would call security!

    Oh happy days are here again,
    No more to hear of Obama & friends
    If you have a brain vote McCain
    Oh happy days are here again!

    One horror story this Halloween and if this doesn’t scare the hell out of you nothing will.   Obama says if he loses (and he will)  he’ll be back in four years, which means in two.  That sucker has been on the campaign trail from dusk to dawn for two long meaningless years.  We must start NOW to stop Obama so this won’t ever happen to our country again.  Obama has wrecked havoc in America.  “Obama quit running for President.”  BHO go back to where you were born, Kenya,  they need you there,  we don’t want or need you in America. 

    Kenya is already bankrupt and down right mean, so with all the money you wasted here, you could have made that Godless place into how you wanted.  Then do you think you would be happy?  NO NO NO Obama, because with a wife like Michelle,  if Michelle ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy. 

  • jennyjen

    Omer, I love this country. Do you want to know why? Because in this country I can tell a narcissistic asshole such as yourself to fuck off! You point out these so-called horrible things the US has done but you fail to see the provocation that led to the act. 
    You point out corporate donations that bother you for some reason. They don’t bother me, someone has to donate money and if the big corps give ass loads to the candidate then they are less likely to bother me about it, Hoo-fuckin-RAY!
    I don’t have time to read all of your ignorant posts, I just have one more thing to say: This country is GREAT and I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else. I can criticize my government but love my country all at the same time because I am FREE! The greatest gift God gave man is freedom and I enjoy it so take your Islam and shove it straight up your nasty ass. Oh, and Happy fuckin Halloween, remember to check your candy.

  • Joan

    No, I am not diturbed because it is the truth, I know what is the truth and what is not.
    In all true  civilisations people turn to God at times of evil, Islam is pure evil in its worst form, I am just reminding the good people on here that the True God will help them through times of evil and darkness.
    I prayed for the victims of terror at the attacks on New York and in my own London and for their families.
    I pray that both America and the UK are guided out of the threatening abyss that is masked as Islam and the Religion of Peace.
    That should disturb nobody except the evil.

    Joan

  • Joan

    Just to add Jenny and carolynne I see a breaking news story coming from skynews.com that the first threat to the new American president WILL be the threat of Bio and nuclear terrorism, and the sources need to be sealed, now i wonder who that threat is from ? Do you think it could be the Religion of Peace or maybe the Catholic or Protestant church, now who do you think it is from ?
    Guess right and you get a gold star.

    Joan

  • jennyjen

    OH! I got my hand up I know!!! I know pick me! pick me! :P

    It has to be that trouble-makin religion of pieces. In the pics I’ve seen of the Vatican there’s no visible missile silo so I’m pretty sure it’s not them!

  • Joan

    well, you are right, it is the evil Islam.

    Joan

  • Chris

    Omer do not play word games with me. It  says you can kill someone for spreading mischeif in the land. Mischeif can be anything. It does not have to exactly say innocent people. The readers here are not stupid.

    I don’t know why everyone is letting Omer turn the subject to America. I do not even see why he is here.
  • Joan

    Here Here,
    we could not go on their ungodly sites.

    Joan,

  • jennyjen

    10-4 Chris and Joan.

  • Joan

    Could we go on an Islamic board and bash Muslim nations ? No we would be banned at IP address, and have a fatwa issued to chop off our heads.
    BE GONE SATAN.

    Joan

  • Chris

    Ayatollah Khomeini

    Khomeini accordingly delivered notorious rebuke to the Islam-is-a-religion-of-peace crowd: “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…. Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

  • Joan

    Foolish people who believe the claims that Islam is a peaceful religion will one day be dead foolish people as Islam gets more powerful, and they rampage through our countries demanding more and more.

    Joan

  • Deborah

    Chris – love that quote!!  And Jen, Joan, Carolyn, Tonto and Charles ~ Omar is a lost cause.  He is so screwed up and into his religion, he will never hear the truth. We need to ignore him as we did FAR and get back to the point that islam treats women and girls as property and men as all powerful.  No wonder the men in islam don’t want the women to ever hear an outside perspective. NO wonder they keep trying to “educate” us on islam.  BTW, the 12th iman is like the Christian Anti-Christ and the Shiites are trying to bring him forth.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Deborah:  You go girl.  Right now just be thanking God for a win for McCain/Palin  – do what matters most.  God bless all of you and our country, God makes all the difference.  Persistence,  and not give up.  Trust in God only, looking away from anything else.  Obama is the only thing scary about Halloween.  McCain must win Ohio.

  • Joan

    I agree, just ignore the pro muslim rubbish. Take away the soap box.
    I am sick of hearing about the anti-christ prophet of the pig farm

    Joan

  • Joan

    carolyne,
    I hope you get your wish for the right president.

    and remember

    “The Devil cannot bare to be mocked”

    C.S. Lewis

    Joan

  • Chris

    Deborah,

       Thanks. Just so everyone knows. He studied Islam since he was 6 and He was named Times Man of the Year in 1979 and also one of Time magazine’s 100 most influential people of the 20th century.
    So they cannot say that he does not know Islam or did not have much influence.
  • Chris
    For those do not know much about the apocalyptic President of Iran, he is a true believer of Islam. He is awaiting for the return of the Mahdi (the 12th Imam) who went missing in the 9th century. For him to return there has to be world chaos with blood running on the planet.

    http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/07/mindset-of-madman-of-iran.html

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Chris:  How nice!   Is this when Hell freezes over as well?  Or could this 12th Iman be Obama?  Three guesses and the first two don’t count?  Obviously I know of none of this, which is a good thing, but I would say my second guess is pretty close.

  • Chris

    Moni,

      So going into Afhganistan was not necessary?  Explain why and explain your comment about us wanting the oil. Because we have NOT taken anyone’s oil or money. As Iraq has a surplus of at least $70 billion dollars. 
    Do you not use oil? The computer that you are using is made from oil and no one said America is perfect. Do you have an inferiority complex?
    The women who convert to Islam are lied to. That is not so hard to figure out and many that have left have said so.
    The Oklahoma bombing does not compare to the daily events of Muslims and no one made him out to be a hero like Muslims do of homicide bombers.
    Without the US the world would be much worse.
  • Chris

    Carolyne,

       I am not religious but Islam is biggest threat to life as we know it. The more you read about it, the worse it gets.
    Obama is a snake in the grass, just look at his friends.
  • Charles

    Omar bro, get a life. When you pull shit from back in  the 50′s, you’ve lost. Would you like a count by count of the Crusades? Factually of course, not what the Muslim groups have lied about??? I can do that, but why waste the time, anyone can look it up themselves.

    Omar, President Bush was elected legally. Despite whinings, or my brothers that are democrats, Al Gore is the one that started filing court filings by the 10′s and 20′s…Thereby usurping the Democratic process…Did dems whine? No. They only whined when Bush said “fuck it, let’s go to the TOP court”. Interesting.

    Omar, Hollywood movies aren’t history, they are entertainment, know the difference. Kal, Me, Tonto and Jen can make a damn movie saying Bill damn Clinton caused AIDS, release it, DOES IT MAKE IT TRUE? No. ANY propaganda movie released against the War or the President *HAS FAILED*. There is a reason for that.

    My beef with Bush? He refused to call the whiners bluff and use the pictures and factual data provided by Israel of the WMD’s being SMUGGLED out of Iraq via FAKE Red Cross trucks into Syria. Were they in Iraq? Hell yes they were…OR the top 12 spy/intelligence agencies in the entire world were all wrong. Duh?

    You think muslims are badasses? Wait until the Christian/Jew believers get pissed off and fed up, then the proverbial shit will hit the fan.

    Boy Omer, you make me lol: Hahahahahahaha. TY!

    Folks, let’s all take a trip and you tell me if I am wrong, ok?

    There were times in the USA that if a black boy walked down the
    street with a white girl in certain states, he’d be beaten, hung,
    tortured or whatever? We rose up and said No more. There was a
    time when women were not allowed to executive positions(let alone
    most jobs) because of the hazards of having a vagina. We rose up
    and said No more. There was a time a f*ckin person in a wheelchair
    was looked down upon, and had no damn access to god damned
    buildings due to lack of foresight or caring…We rose up and said
    No more. I could go on, why? You get the point. We FIXED em all,
    after drawing a damn line at outmoded thoughts. There was a damn
    time where if a woman/girl was raped, it was HER fault?!?!?! We grew
    up as a Nation…

    Now comes the big baby muslim mouth, saying WE are bad? I’m sorry
    WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAVED A HOMOSEXUAL FROM DEATH
    for simply being gay? WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAVED A
    WOMAN/GIRL FROM PROSECUTION/PERSECUTION FOR BEING RAPED?

    Where’s your damn “ANY PEOPLE” charities? Got any other than
    MUSLIM ONLY? How about feeding your poor that happen to be
    non-believers? Sorry, the difference here is the UNITED STATES
    OF AMERICA GREW UP AND OUT OF ITS EARLIER SHITTY BELIEFS…
    Muslims have not. If a baby in your muslim held lands is born
    retarded or GOD FORBID deformed, do you accept it and not
    only special school it(it being him or her), cheer it on that it can
    do anything despite its ailments or physical appearance? FUCK NO
    you don’t, you shitheads are just as bad as the Nazis…

    Our damn country may have its “burps” in our time and timelines,
    IE: Rodney King, Gay bashing, etc…But dammit we aren’t fucking
    beheading reporters, kidnapping non-Americans, blowing up
    police stations, etc….How dare you even assume or PRESUME
    to compare a shitty backwards belief to the United States of
    America…How dare YOU! Do any MUSLIM countries give aid or
    money to both Israel and their own? HELL NO! *WE DO*!

    I am against abortion and against the gay lifestyle…Know the diff?
    I respect the rights of others asshole, my beliefs are for me and not
    mine to shove down anyones throats…..Why dont you pricks learn
    that belief and stay in your squalor shitty controlled countries that
    are so ass-backwards, you make the damned Ozarks look like NYC.

    How fucking depressing your lives must be, that the only damn news
    station you get is Al-Jazeera. I dislike the liberal media here, but dammit
    I have the choice of changing to another….Muslims are so mindset
    against progress, you are missing out on the value Women can add
    to your society….

    THAT is why the muslim faith will die out in the future, THAT is why
    the muslim faith is a joke, THAT is why the muslim faith is disdained.

    Yer a joke. Even our dumbest female is smarter than most of your
    men. Our smartest women? Would OWN YOUR MEN in the arena
    of ideas, philosophy or ANYTHING…

    Quit yer whining, I was “checked” by the moderators here as well,
    so STFU they didn’t single you out for your beliefs.

    To all: Notice how Omer went from being all peaceful and shit to
    threatening??? Interesting…

    To end this, I shall quote an Eminem song:
    You a fad, that means your something that we already had
    But once you’re gone, you don’t come back, too bad

  • Omer

    Even if we talk of today. Is America making this world better or peaceful. Actually you have lost but you don’t realize it. All this moral education democracy and being civilized crap of the west ends here. And you people clearly prove that those terrorists who even are not muslims because Norway and Holland deserved their violence more because they have insulted our Prophet by making our cartoons. Even they who aren’t muslims are better than you. Because they openly accept after the disaster they bring. But you are too naive that you still believe that your government is doing right.

    [2:11] When they are told, “Do not commit evil,” they say, “But we are righteous.”

    [2:13] When they are told, “Believe like the people who believed,” they say, “Shall we believe like the fools who believed?” In fact, it is they who are fools, but they do not know.

    And I think you should thank to those terrorists who saved you from Soviet Union whose weapons could do you far worse than these small groups of terrorists. The way you accuse the way you abuse our religion and Prophet. The un ethical way of discussing or arguing of yours. Is the fact taht you are the creators of terrorism and are inviting your own doom.

  • Charles

    Omer, thanks for showing yer true colors bro…If we are the creators
    of Terrorism, then logically like a parent, we brought you into this
    world, we can/will take you out…Get it? Yer cute, I snicker @ you.

    I’ve known Norwegians for over 14yrs stupid….Although I disagree
    with their socialism type BS, most of the peeps there are coo!
    They are intellectually astounded by the likes of poopy(yes I used
    the word poopy) thinkin muslims. Study THEIR culture stupid….
    Where the hell were the muslims in WW2? I know where the hell
    the majority of Norwegians were, where were ya’ll? Exactly…While
    they and WE fought, you bitches sucked yer thumbs while waiting
    for the real men n women to protect you. You do realize right, that
    women were involved in WW2 right? Ya know whats funny? Who
    protected yer muslim asses in WW2? Homosexuals, Communists,
    Jews, handicapped peeps, fornicators, WOMEN, etc….Get that?
    The peeps you HATE the most fought for your survival stupid.
    The peeps you would behead, DIED to protect you retards….Get it?
    ((I didn’t mention the Christian peeps, that’s a given!))

  • http://oddinnuendo.wordpress.com Scream Riot!

    I just read the first bunch of comments and it’s very interesting that whenever a Muslim fundamentalist goes and makes a hate speech or there’s a Muslim suicide bomber, the other Muslims stand up and defend the religion and say ‘Oh but they aren’t real Muslims. Yes they are real Muslims because I’ve read the Qur’an and it’s quite clear what it all means.

    Talking about taking the Qur’an out of context, uhm, it’s supposed to be the perfect book isn’t it? How can the perfect book be taken out of context anyway? Let me guess, you will now argue that it’s a human flaw that we take it out of context, and that a book with a bunch of pages is actually perfect? Then I argue, if Allah knew we were capable of taking it out of context, then why didn’t he make it more clear, eh?

    As an ex-Muslim, I’ve finally seen the ‘light’. I too used to make excuses for the religion, hopelessly clinging onto it to try and convince myself that it is the right religion. I’m an Atheist for a reason, and reasoning and logic are the only things I believe in now. Woohoo for infidels!

  • Omer

    Bull crap. You people give no facts in your discussions. You can’t because the truth is far from you.  You know what. Piss on America on her culture on her constitution. ANd Piss Be Upon You. You ass holes.  SHit of all the countries who dislike you. YOur so called dipshit liberty. When you had no other valid argument you just abused me. Well I give back your abuse to you. Eye for an eye rule. Piss on you. And fuck you. All the non muslims arrogants who have abused my religion. Blood leaks from your buttocks and vaginas. Get the heck out of our land. You assholes. Our great Muslim Scholar Allama Iqbal said 70 years ago before the partition of India that Western Civilization is going to destruction you animal semen drinkers. And the end of your foolish pathetic and barbaric civilization is going to end soon. You pAthetic little westerns. Muslims have 70 % of the natural resources of this world. And the west is after this wealth for her economic boom. You people want to invade and and set puppet rulers their so that you could steal those resources or get those resources cheap. You have set Israel as your agent and you think you are using her to suppress muslims. Where as the jew bastards are using you to take vangence against the muslims because they were given the leadership of religion or imamat by God. ANd before muslims jews were the leader. Because of that jealousy they are using you against us. And my foot that I am jealous of such naive and foolish people like yours. You are the people who invade other countries and kill innocents for your benefits. But soon the destruction of Muslims will end. Mehdi didn’t get missing. He will come in the future which has been told by our prophet. And he will help the muslims eliminate the evil. Islam is light and actually ignorance and worshipping ones country is evil. You assholes. Let me remind you that in the time of Shah Fahad of Saudi Arabia Zulifqar ALi Bhutto of Pakistan advised the arabs to stop trading oil with USA. ANd the USA’s ass was fucked because of the lack of supply. But then Shah Fahad was assassinated by his nephew because of a jew agent who persuaded him to do so. CHina is a far better country. Because she uses her resources and is progressing in economy. America never can stand any other power in his way that is why she has attacked on Afghanistan to use her as a striking place so that she could easily attack and finish off China. This is your true image and small thinking. And Insha Allah by the Grace of God you will loose very badly like in Vietnam and Cuba.  Khomeini has not created Islam neither is he our Prophet. Islam is the religion of God sent to 124,000 prophets and completed on the last Prophet Muhammad. So it doesn’t mean what anyone will say is right. The sources of Islam are two. Quran the word of God. And second thing is Hadith. The sayings and actions of Muhammad. You haven’t read about islam that is why you are saying it. God may guide you. And that verse you have previously posted is about the mischief spreaders. Any one who will be innocent will not spread mischief. Children first of all are innocent by nature so they will never spread mischief. Those women even if spread mischief will be dealt differently from men. Mischief means disturbance. Chaos. Anarchy. Or bloddshed. And women are gentle creatures. They don’t take part in war. And they as well as men will not remain innocents when they will spread mischief. Iran so far has not attacked on US. Not even one soldier has fought in their. And your own American has written the truth about you in the article America The Terrorists. Please re read it and then read your own posts and then analyze aren’t you skipping the facts.

  • Omer

    The target will be a purely military one and we will issue a warning statement asking the Japs to surrender and save lives.”
    Diary of President Truman
    July 1945

  • Omer

    “…If terrorism is the massacre of innocents to break the will of rulers, were not Hiroshima and Nagasaki, terrorism on a colossal scale?… “- Patrick J. Buchanan,  August  2005
    “…The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a war crime worse than any that Japanese generals were executed for in Tokyo and Manila. If Harry Truman was not a war criminal, then no one ever was..” , 2001
    “The atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a criminal act on an epic scale. It was premeditated mass murder that unleashed a weapon of intrinsic criminality ” , 6 August 2008
    “…I voiced to him [Stimson, US Secretary of War] my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the [atom] bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of such a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that movement, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face’.” Doubleday & Company Inc., New York, 1963, pp. 312-313

    “Throwing a bomb is bad,

    Terror, no need to add,
    Depends on who’s wearing the hood.”
    R.Woddis ‘Ethics for Everyman’ 

  • Omer

    A survivor described the damage to people:
    The appearance of people was . . . well, they all had skin blackened by burns. . . . They had no hair because their hair was burned, and at a glance you couldn’t tell whether you were looking at them from in front or in back. . . . They held their arms bent [forward] like this . . . and their skin – not only on their hands, but on their faces and bodies too – hung down. . . . If there had been only one or two such people . . . perhaps I would not have had such a strong impression. But wherever I walked I met these people. . . . Many of them died along the road – I can still picture them in my mind — like walking ghosts.

  • Joan

    This is a discussion board for the west to leave their comments and to expose the eilness of the satanic cult of Islam. These long and ridiculous posts serve no purpose  other than to show us what we are up against. We have no common ground with these people at all. It is clear that what Islam wants is to dominate the west, can we have omars propaganda posts deleted please ?

  • Robert B.

    Joan, I concur.

    I suppose all blogs have their trolls. A pity this troll has no class at all. Goes with having no brain.

  • Omer

    You people because can’t give relevant  arguments to support your Islamic Phobia ideas so I will not further  discuss with you. And yes these logical posts confirm and tell you what are you against and tell you how wrong you are in perieving Islam. And if you are right then give valid arguments with correct sources and references. It was not my ambition to abuse you or anyone and threat your country in any way. But after being reasonable about the Islamic Law post when observing that some people were using abusive language against me I responded that only. Hatred makes Hatred. So cool of your processors and re read these posts neutrally and if you have any disagreement just speak and write them like civilized and educated people. Without Cursing any religion or any one’s prophet. And without using those phrases like every one kicked some one’s phony ass and this and that. I believe that not every person is wrong if the government does wrong. And let me remind the person who said look first he was peaceful and at once he got threatening. Well mister or miss if you will abuse without cause any person will get angry. Act like adults please. Be reasonable and post your disagreements about the rights of women on Islam as you have mentioned I am going off topic. I posted these topics because a previous post object about the muslims who want to impose Islamic law. I think that was the start of straying from the topic. And I only responded it. I responded gently but some jack ass used in appropriate words. I am not here to fight with anyone and I don’t think it is fruitful. Any how. I only want to ask a question in a good sense. Why did America had no female or black president. Any particular reason. And why did Britain only one female Prime Minister. Is it against the American constitution for a woman to take part in politics and just recently been changed. Or women in America don’t like politics. And I have seen talk about women rights every where. Please tell me about these rights. What are really the women rights according to  feminists or the American constitution. And please tell me also are the Women rights Organizations governmental institutions or are made by public.  Another question is that media all over the world plays some negative roles. Especially in elections and the boosting the negative sides of a candidate or public figure while overlooking the facts. Now please explain why aren’t laws made so that media could be made responsible. I think I am being reasonable in this post and I hope every one will co-operate.

  • Joan

    Like adults ? Civilized people who debate in a logical manner ? Gentle responses ?
    Act like adults please ?

    Stoning people to death after burying them neck deep, with a cheering crowd.
    Beheadings
    Peodophile prophet
    Religion that allows Peodophillia
    Religion that uses suicide bombers to force submission

    Can everyone please co operate as we have been told and add to this list.
    As you all see fit please. I am waiting. I request you be reasonable and co operate with my request please.

    Joan

  • Omer

    Come on. Isn’t anybody online here? I think I talk reasonable when I say don’t abuse so that I also not become offensive.

  • Joan

    Islam is offensive.
    Are you online on a Friday night or at prayers.
    The west is mostly Christian, perhaps they are at Church, but a follower of Islam is so selfish that someone else’s beliefs have to take a back seat.

    Joan

  • Omer

    How Islam is offensive. Please Explain. Not all the chrisians are at church. And even if they are at church that doesn’t make any difference. they will repeat the same sins after confession. My argument remains the same. is there any valid disagreement. Please explain also why you disagree. Give examples.  If I say John is bad and I don’t give the reason what bad he has done I will be called a dumb person. And you are not dumb I guess.

  • Omer

    May God guide us all. And give us all a life of peace and prosperity. May no nation wage war upon other for any reason. May the children’ fathers and the wive’s husband not die. May all live. May not anyone tempt others to fight. May not any one disturb the peace. But if one may become a transgressor. Then may the evil doers fail and May the truth win and succeed. And may truth make an example of evil that no evil again raise her head and spread mischief in this world. And may accusers be clarified and repent on their accusations and be guided. And may peacefull people come to power and stop creating chaos. And may the aggressors learn the lessons for not trying to invade those nations who made more huge and strong aggressors backoff from their lands. And may God give guidance to those who do not know what they are doing. And may God bring them to the right path who knowingly do wrong. And may we all live happy. And Oh lord make the righteous strong against evil. And Oh Lord make people see what they can’t see.

    And I was in a cave
    And was ignorance ‘s slave
    But when found the light of truth
    I chose the right path and became brave

    Truth is not revealed by ignoring the reality
    Action is not the teachings validity
    Producing a fire from a match
    cooking food or burning the humanity

    Aggression doesn’t stop by doing aggression
    Worshipping ones country is fool’s passion
    Don’t think that might is right
    Others can also using that might

    Nations rise nations fall
    But what matters is how you fall
    Power doesn’t prove how much you are tall
    Mighteous fell badly don’t you recall

    Stealing others money is not the right thing
    Treat others good or wrath you will bring
    The one who fires should think first
    What will happen if you get hurt

    Don’t curse apples because these are rotten
    Inquire you just first why these are rotten
    Know before departure where you are heading
    Know which leg is broken before mending

    Don’t waste energy don’t rush up
    Nothing is for free No tea no cup
    Let there be balance or will get hate
    As they say Haste makes waste.

  • Joan

    I have given 4 reasons, I feel sure the list can be added to as to why we feel Islam is offensive.

    Joan

  • Joan

    Yes, may God guide us all, and not let our heads be cutt off by evil Islam

    Joan

  • Omer

    Quite an interesting post that I am doing Propaganda. And my posts should be deleted. What a request. Let me tell you if this happens. And some of my posts have been deleted. But if it happens then you will prove that the right to express yourself was also another lie of the west. And the lady before who said that I have never lived in a free society will also have to give an explanation for dumping down my voice. I didn’t start the Jihad topic by the way it was started by you people previously. Read the earliest posts your selves. And any how now that I have posted posts about women in Islam. Now why don’t you give valid disagreements. This site’s intention is if to do propaganda against islam. Then I will make it fail. I promise by God. But if you want to clear misconceptions then you are welcome to ask any question decently regarding Islam. And I will try my level best to answer those answers decently. But abusing me will not do any good. And I will not back off no matter what.

  • Joan

    “This sites intention is if to do propaganda against Islam. Then I will make it fail, I promise by God”

    That is clear enough then. It is good that you get yourself into a little paddy, then we see you for what you really are.

    Joan

    BTW Carolynne and Jenny, look forward to your contributions, and watch your heads.

  • Joan

    Can i go into an Islamic nation and express myself ?

    Joan

  • Joan

    No answer yet, I thought not.

    Islam is the biggest threat to the world that has ever been, and probably the biggest threat there  ever will be
    It is up to each and every one of us to make sure that we make that threat known to as many people as we can.

    Joan 

  • Omer

    Of course you can. But can I express my self safely. Because Since I have started posting here you people are using abusive language constantly. THe question to your answer of pedophile. I have posted an article Prophet Muhammad ANd Aisha Siidiqa. Please read it and it is a clear truth. Then you have said stoning to death while burried in the sand uptil neck. What a joke. WHere have you heard it from. Or is it your imagination. Or have you recently seen a movie on Pope Rulers in the medieval west. I also said please give references not only lies which you have invernted.

  • Deborah

    Omar ~  I would explain where you are wrong,  point by point, but there are two problems with that: 1. you wouldn’t agree if I were right and 2. I can barely understand what in the world you are talking about.  Half of what you are saying makes no sense due to the way you have worded it.

  • Joan

    If you look at skynews.com it is there. So laugh away Omer. We are all well onto you.
    And furthermore i don’t answer to your orders.
    I see that a so called Cleric in the news today kept a little boy back in a Mosque then raped him.
    The Joke is Islam

    Joan

  • Deborah

    Omar:
    Obviously you have internet or you wouldn’t be here. Try looking at some western news sites instead of just  Al Jazeerea and Al Arabiya and you will see what we see in the west -  people being blown to bits by islamic “martyrs” almost daily. That doesn’t speak toislam being a religion of  peace.  There are frequent stories of honor killings too and those are  directed at women.  If you want weblinks, I would give them to you but I don’t think anything we can say will change your mind.   We see the news that is not filtered by the islamic goverments and that is why we know how bad islam is.  I am truely sorry for you and sad that you would not even look at what the rest of the world sees regularly.  You want me to read your posts and ponder them but you wouldn’t do the same for me.

  • Omer

    Keep on doing your work and I will keep on mine. I have posted on the rights of women. the concept of Jihad. Since some of my post are missing and I know not. it can make a sense that my wording is in sequenced or whatever. Secondly I posted about the nukes since you people claim that terrorists are muslims. WHere as keep in mind this simple point that ” A terrorist has no religion, no culture no language but terror.” If you understand this one most important point. You will understand all this thing. And no more conflict will be left. Now pleas go and scroll upwards. My first posts were very gentle and polite. But what I got. Abuses for no other reason but Islamphobia. Deborah you look like a decent person so I will want to have a decent discussion with you. My posts are only to support my arguments. Else I know the basic arguments even though I don’t remember the verse number. But if you can’t accept mere arguments and want references then I will have to post articles of well researched scholars of Islam.

  • Deborah

    Omar -
    Please read this and then tell me what you think. I will be interested in your response.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445962,00.html

  • Joan

    What filthy, disgusting barbarians followers of Islam are.

    Just as I said, that link proves it all.

    Is this what we really want for our own ?

    Joan

  • Chris

    Islam allows pedophilia.

    Omer this site is not for you to prosletize. We have shown Islamic scholars who have said that Islam allows sex with children and that Islam breeds and allows terrorism.
    End of story.
  • Omer

    Well. This was a very wrong act. Because first there had to be investigations. Secondly the girl was innocent if she was raped. Infact the three men deserved hundred lashes according to islamic law. That girl was innocent according to the story. And I condemn it. This is not the teaching of Islam. however if she willingly voluntered in illegal sex and if after investigation it is proved that any woman is willingly involved. There are two punishments according to the nature and intensity of crime. First is Jail sentence for the whole life and full separation from the society. Second, hundred lashes to both men and women if married and commit un marital sex. If a women does prostitution because she has not a job. Then the government is to be punished and she has to be provided with sufficient needs. Third if the witnesses can’t prove that there has been an illegal marital sex and just accuse the right women. They (witnesses) are to be lashed 80 stripes and they will never be believed as witnesses again for any other case. If a husband says her wife has commited michief he has to Swear upon God four times in Court. If the woman in response swears upon God four times and claims she is pious then she is to be released. And God in the life here after will do justice. He fully knows. This is called the limitation of law in this world.

  • Omer

    let me here correct on thing of my post. If a woman is married and commits illegal sex. She can be stoned to death or confined in jail. Secondly if an unmarried women commits sex has to be punished by hundred stripes.
    Likewise is the case of married and un married men.

  • Deborah

    Omar
    “Well. This was a very wrong act. Because first there had to be investigations. Secondly the girl was innocent if she was raped. Infact the three men deserved hundred lashes according to islamic law. That girl was innocent according to the story. And I condemn it. This is not the teaching of Islam.” According to the story, there was an investigation but she was then judged and killed according to islamic law.  These are the kinds of stories we in the west see and base our view of islam on.  I could show you 10 stories a day of how people following islam do terrible things in the name of their god.  That is why we, on this blog, have such a distain for islam.  You don’t agree with how this was handled and see it was wrong. That is good.  Maybe you could also see, how many times, terrible things are being done to innocent people in the name of islam.  Don’t you agree?

  • Omer

    She was not judged according to Islamic law I have previously posted but if you want to keep on repeating your post then carry on.

  • Omer

    And also there was no lawyer and without trial she was punished. Please don’t skip the things in the notion of hating the religion. The previous post about the ten quotes was not against America. Why it got deleted.

  • Omer

    the work you people are doing will spread more terrorism more violence more misconceptions and more war and trouble for all. Your own documentary movies prove that sep 9/11 is the conspiracy of Jews. That jewish secretary of Bush.
    I will post again those quotes. Discuss logically if you want. Why are my posts being deleted. IF you can’t bear me. then ban my ip please.

  • Deborah

    Omar -
    After looking at the list of punishments for various crimes, do you think this was an honor killing instead?  Now that the girl was defiled, do you think her family killed her and not the courts?

  • Omer

    the list of punishments implies on certain circumstances. Aren’t you reading or trying to understand the whole thing I have posted. God bless you Deborah and all of you here. Amen.

  • Robert B.

    Joan,

    Please do not feed the animal. No amount of logic will drag him away from his 4th century, camel humping, pedophile.
    I think John will take care of him.

  • Omer

    According to islamic Law that girl is innocent. First she is un married and only the married women who commits the sin of un marital sex is stoned to death or sentenced to lifetime jail. Secondly she has been raped. IT was not her will to be involved in this act. So according to islamic law those three men are to be stoned to death. And not this innocent girl. I have very briefly clarified this in the previous post but I don’t know why you don’t understand. i think you just read 2 statements of my post and then say he is wrong and then just post your comment. AM I guessing right?

  • Omer

    Please do not fool around. And don’t mend with other countries internal affairs if you want to live in peace. And you people are also living in the century before christ. Xerxes attacked with his mighty forces on Sparta and claimed to be God but was defeated with brave 6000 soldiers only. You are also doing the same but will be defeated. So you yourselfves are living in the century when the calender even was not started.

  • Joan

    Thank you Robert.

    Joan

  • Chris

    Omer,

      You will not spam this site and in case you did not notice no one is chaging their mind about Islam.
  • Chris

    There are no misconceptions about Islam here except what Omer posts. I obtain my info from Islamic scholars.

    Omer,
      There is a comment section, not an essay section. Take the hint.
  • Charles

    Interesting footnote, feel free if yer bored enough to look through Omers post:
    Notice how when he was trying to be intelligent and arguing as such, he used terms like “our country(USA)”, “our President”, etc…Soon as his shit went south and he started threatening shit, it was “your country” “your president” etc…

    Hehe, why it’s almost like he was a plant to convert….Time before him, same shit cept name was FAR. Interesting.

    My hotmail page is set for displaying 20-25 I believe, emails per page…My spam is set to high, so I generally only get non-ads. In a 24hour time period since last night, I had 2.5 pages of mails for posts from here.

    Read the bottom 3, top 3 and middle 2 :)

    Omer, go away now.  The chick that was raped was sentenced to 3 years in prison under Holy Court crap under Muslim Law.  Only through outrage from the USA and other Western nations, was that revised.

    I saw 300 too, it was fun. They fell only because of a traitor…Remember that. We have our traitors too, all are muslims or sympathizers. However, the Spartans although on the surface democratic, they weren’t.  Our Congress listens to the roar of their voters…Check immigration bills :) And efforts to pull our troops out and home like bitches….

    You’re fun Omer, ty for being a sounding board. You might wanna check historical footnotes and quotes, specifically what the Emperor said after the bombing of Pearl Harbor…Take note if it, remember it…I love sleeping in my country, safe and sound. And one of those reasons? I watch the Military channel…I like weaponology and shit, it gets me giddy. The weapons created for our Military are so far whacked in superiority, I sometimes get stiff. When it’s not our companies, it’s the British/French and Israelis….YAY TO THE WEST!!

    Anywho, you have fun with that whole Allah thing and “lalalalalalalala”. Have fun waving a scimitar in the air acting like an ass, have fun shooting crappy rusty AK-47′s in the air….Have fun with shitty Scuds….The shit we’re puttin out can hit within 2inches of point from 2k miles away :) Barret just expanded the distance for its sniper rifle with special new ammo YAY! Hell we can shoot grenade launchers around corners now….So your threats honestly, make me giggle…You think Pakistan is armed? Syria? Iran? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Invade Los Angeles, that’d be funny. How about Texas?? Miami? Detroit? LOL! Shit brother no offense to Islamo’s, our fuckin Countries gangs out number all you and are better armed. 

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Joan:  We will watch our heads, we have a two edged sword, that can do some damage, if you get my drift.  God’s Word is a two edged sword, that can cut some folks ACORNS OFF, SO THEY BETTER BE LOOKING OUT FOR FALLEN ACORNS, because I plan to come out swinging if given any lip.  I’m really tired of this crap, from Obama and his Islam pals.  He calls us selfish if we don’t share the wealth,  let’s see how far that gets the HUA, SOB.  He’s asking for it, their is going to be a lot of typical white folk, black folk, and brown folk, that will get plenty tired of Obama getting into their wealth.  That will not work.  Revolution I reckon, and the military are ready for a coo if need be.  Already heard that by the grape vine.  So to keep the peace, McCain/Palin better win.
    Over 50,000 women/men are in Team Sarah, Obama will be defeated one way or other, this evil government can not prevail any longer in America.  McCain/Palin Power Now.   Job let his hedge (fund) down through fear, but  God will make a way, and turn the captivity of America and restore it double, like he did for Job, when he prayed.
    Fear NOT only Believe!  I claim it in the name of Jesus Christ.

  • Chris

    Charles,

      Your post was dead on. Omer thinks he is out smarting everybody.
  • Omer

    I think you have some problem in your mind. I posted the American Terorrist article. Which was not written by me but Americans themselves. And he wrote our country our this our that. Now I truly understand that your accusations are based on your foolish imagination.
    here read it and I will like comments on this.
    http://digg.com/arts_culture/Female_American_Soldiers_Are_Raped_and_Silenced_in_Barracks

    And if you don’t believe me about that article then this is the url for the article America The terrorist
    http://www.pocopico.com/rants/america-the-terrorist.php

    And my name is Omer. Not FAR. nor there is no link of mine with FAR. nor I know him. I know not what you people are thinking about. OR you just are drunk when you visit forums. Oh mY GOd.

    Hahahahhahah. You all people are making me laugh.

  • Omer

    Why. Because Obama is black. Well this shows your concept to democracy because according to various sources He is christain. And the only reason left of your rejection is that He is black. America the democratic country. AMerica the Beautiful. America the Racist.

  • Omer

    I would also like your comments on this

    http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3848/why_soldiers_rape/

  • Omer

    I would like comments on one question. If USA blasted nukes to stop Japan and make her surrender. Can Pakistanis also use nukes on USA to stop agression on Muslim countries or to surrender. I would like your comments on that.

  • Chris

    This not the get Omer’s approval site. Enough with the typical Muslim games Omer.

  • Deborah

    Wow Omar, I was just trying to understand what happened to this girl.  I actually read all your posts and that’s why I asked the question I did.

  • Chris

    Deborah,

      People like Omer are across the net. They will say anything to try and get people to accept Islam.
  • Robert B.

    Let’s see… Pakistan has detonated one nuke. Maybe has a dozen left. Limited range missles to deliver them, max range to Euope.

    USA has thosands of nukes, in bombers, silos, and submarines. Tested hundreds over the last half century. Milssiles that can strike anywhere on the planet within minutes.

    Bottom line is that no one will win. But my guess is that we will have a lot more survivors with which to mop up the remnants.

  • Omer

    Chris and Deborah. You will say anything to prove your country right even if it means the murdering of millions of people. This trick ain’t going on any reasonable man. Why haven’t you read the links I posted and why aren’t you people not commenting on your own crimes. Why are you feeling any shame. Or is your conscience alive. Hello

  • Omer

    I am not saying you or anyone to accept islam. I am giving the facts you so stubbornly deny. My duty ends here. Now it is your choice to accept or reject. However if some one wants to further ask a question on Islam on any other topic. i would appreciate it and answer it.

  • Omer

    No my question was not that who will win or who will loose. Its range still reaches to Israel first of all. And America will never want anything to happen. My question was is it justifiable for Pakistan to blast nukes on USA as she did with Japan for surrendering.

  • Chris

    First of all I am against the Iraq war. Secondy if the US military killed every Hamas, Hezbollah and AQ member I would not shed a tear.

    I have posted facts from Islamic scholars, that know more about Islam then you will ever know. Islam is against my way of life and I will continue to speak out against it.
    The West does not condone murderers like so many Muslims do with homicide bombers.
    No, I do not want to ask you about Islam, I know about it, and no one asked you to come here for advice and con on Islam.
    I reject Islam and I will reject your from here if you do not stop playing games by trying to get the focus off of Islam and on to America.
    We do not want your approval or that of the Islamic world. The two ways of life do not mix.
  • Chris

    Omer when YOU get the Middle East to stop preaching hate, let us know. Until then we will continue to speak up.

  • Chris

    Omer has said we can ask him about any topic.

    Like we need his advice!! LOL!!
    Omer lose the superiority complex, no one is impressed.
  • Chris

    We were attacked by Japan first so comparing them to Pakistan is plain stupid.

    Pakistans nukes are not intercontinental and cannot even reach here.
  • Deborah

    Wow Omar, I was just trying to understand what happened to this girl.  I actually read all your posts and that’s why I asked the question I did. And BTW, the US didn’t drop a nuke on Japan,  it was an atomic bomb.

  • Omer

    Well I am far from them. If I visit a Middle Eastern Country I will give them your message. Thats your point of view.  I stumbled from this site and saw many things wrong. I just wanted to share my views. And stop using the words games. Becasue I can dump this thread very easily by posting the whole internet crap. I have only posted the relative things here not for spamming but for telling. You can’t criticize others or hate others just because their way of life is different. Every one is different. Let me tell you one thing. America is isolating her self because of her policies. And whenever I posted about women. You people pointed out suicide bombings and Jihad. That is why I pointed these things out. That if the crime or terror ratio is considered and observed. America has done far worse and far huge impact crimes than these suicide bombers. I only defend those suicide bombers whose attacks are against the army and is an Army tactic which modern technology has no solution.  Like wise I  condemn those who who blast the innocent people in a market or any place where there are civilians and I am totally against them. You don’t know Islam thats why you people are saying these things.

  • Chris

    No Omer YOU are the one saying that Islam is peaceful. So YOU go prove them wrong. My point of view is taken from what Muslims say. Scholars, unlike YOU.

    Do not threaten this site and I can criticize anyone I want. I will criticize Islam and Muslims who think that they will impose Islam on non-Muslims,
    Violence is only part of the problem that Islam brings to the world as political Islam is an even bigger threat to non-Muslims then potential suicide bombers.
    America will reunite with the world as the world is waking up to Islam. China and Italy have started their crackdown and others will follow.
    The bottom line is that I do not seek your approval on any of my beliefs.
  • Omer

    Again wrong answer . I asked is it justified for Pakistan to commit this action against the American civilian Population. If any other country, leave Pakistan if any other country make New York Nagasaki. Like in the novel The Survivalist. So I am asking is it right. Deborah I answered your question that what happened to that girl was wrong. My posts don’t show from anywhere that it is allowed. Nor it is Islamic cheating. And you Superiority Complex guy. I have no complexes buddy. Why don’t you people change your tone

  • Omer

    Sorry the word was teaching not cheating

  • Omer

    No threat to this site. I was just saying what is spamming. Ok as you wish.

  • Deborah

    Omar – thanks for the answer. Just wondering if it was an honor killing but I guess you can’t tell. 
    I just wondered why “Dozens of men stoned Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow to death Oct. 27 in a stadium packed with 1,000 spectators”. I guess it’s because “fighting is a daily occurrence, with violent deaths reported nearly every day due to islamic militants with ties to Al Qaed.” But islam is peaceful, right?

  • Chris

    Why don’t you stop telling people what to say?  You seem to think that you can come here and dictate what goes on.

  • Charles

    Omer, didn’t I tell you to go away?  Pakistan…It has no more nukes son. You know that little marshall law thingy? Know why it was done? It was done to sneak their nukes away from the power with the President of Pakistans help in case a Muslim won the Presidency. The Presidents of both our countries didn’t want Pakistans nukes in the hands of a kooky muslim nutjob.

    Even if not, then let us play your game and ignore the posted flawless logic on here, of RANGE of missles…Our ANTI-ICBM setups all over Europe that pissed the Russkies off, would strike Pakistans nukes down before they left their Continental shelf. Ours however, would strike on target, fast and so accurate the god damned fly it castrated on its way to the ground wouldn’t be able to get out a moan before it was vaporized.

    Here’s some of your sides problem, you are not used to an informed public/mass. We are informed. Most practitioners of Muslim faith are not.

    Eventually We The People are going to tire of Islamo-Facists, and vote into offices of every branch, peeps that follow the movie “Swordfish” policy. Want movies? Ok go wit that one. See, Imma let you in on a little secret, shhh don’t tell.

    We aren’t afraid of the Chinese(1BILLION STRONG) for many reasons. In a ground war, what good is that many troops when a non-nuke bomb that
    we have can destroy 100 sq. yards of area in 1 go??? The USA leads the field
    in anti-tank, anti-aircraft, anti-missile, anti-submarine, anti-foxhole, anti-everything….Get it? Blow up a bar or cafe in the USA? Lose 2 cities to history via
    annihilation.  Here’s the bitch to boot: We don’t do suicide bombs, Islamos do..
    You hate women that produce MORE….Hehehe, we don’t.  Eventually according to the Law of Numbers and Averages, you will run out of bombers…We won’t run out of troops or strength. Golda Meir knew how to handle em, Reagan did
    as well….Mr. Bush does…Get it?

    Obama is black, big deal so are 3 of my nephews. Racist? None of my family
    bloodline ever beheaded someone for not believing something.

    Obama is a facist loser that supports taking from the successful and giving to the lazy. He also supports illegals taking American jobs. I could go on, but no
    reason to. I was for Fred Thompson, imma have to swallow it and vote McCain
    simply cuz I don’t want my Capital Gains to hit the roof. I’m already taxed at
    55% of my earnings. If Obama wins, that will go up to about 70%. The Gov_ment has enough of my money already.

    It is cute tho how you tried to cause fights amongst all of us, injecting Obama and Race into the arguement under the headline “Infidels are cool!”.

    Nice try…..

    If it helps, I’d vote for Obama over any POS Islamo *ANY* day.

  • Charles

    Amnesty: Somali rape victim, 13, stoned to death Email this Story Nov 1, 11:34 AM  Take action with Mercy Corps now actioncenter.org MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) – A 13-year-old girl who said she had been raped was stoned to death in Somalia after being accused of adultery by Islamic militants, a human rights group said. Dozens of men stoned Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow to death Oct. 27 in a stadium packed with 1,000 spectators in the southern port city of Kismayo, Amnesty International and Somali media reported, citing witnesses. The Islamic militia in charge of Kismayo had accused her of adultery after she reported that three men had raped her, the rights group said. Initial local media reports said Duhulow was 23, but her father told Amnesty International she was 13. Some of the Somali journalists who first reported the killing later told Amnesty International that they had reported she was 23 based upon her physical appearance. Calls to Somali government officials and the local administration in Kismayo rang unanswered Saturday. “This child suffered a horrendous death at the behest of the armed opposition groups who currently control Kismayo,” David Copeman, Amnesty International’s Somalia campaigner, said in a statement Friday. Somalia is among the world’s most violent and impoverished countries. The nation of some 8 million people has not had a functioning government since warlords overthrew a dictator in 1991 then turned on each other. A quarter of Somali children die before age 5; nearly every public institution has collapsed. Fighting is a daily occurrence, with violent deaths reported nearly every day. Islamic militants with ties to al-Qaida have been battling the government and its Ethiopian allies since their combined forces pushed the Islamists from the capital in December 2006. Within weeks of being driven out, the Islamists launched an insurgency that has killed thousands of civilians. In recent months, the militants appear to be gaining strength. The group has taken over the port of Kismayo, Somalia’s third-largest city, and dismantled pro-government roadblocks. They also effectively closed the Mogadishu airport by threatening to attack any plane using it.

  • Charles

    After that post…WTF you got to say Omer?

  • Joan

    Carolynne,
    I found your post answer to me very informative.
    I will not be able to reply on here though, as I do have something to add.
    But I do understand your message and what you have said, that is coming here too.
    Best be like squirrels then and gather your nuts in for winter, cars will not start if it gets too frosty, the cold gets into the engine and stops it working.

    Joan

  • Joan

    Charles,
    Did not Khan sell Pakistans nuclear capabilities as a one stop shop solution to Terrorists ?
    There was a documentary programme on here in the UK a week or so ago.
    He is now under house arrest in Pakistan after being stripped of his hero status after an undercover joint operation by the CIA and M15 to take him out, he was getting diplomatic status from Pakistan so was untouchable for quite a while.
    when terror suspects were arrested with nuclear items they were found with Khan’s flashy tailors bag’s, so linking him to them.
    He was selling Pakistans nuclear capabilities for his own personal gain to the highest bidder. Some of the stuff is not accounted for.

    Joan

  • jennyjen

    1,000 practicing members of Islam watched a 13 year-old girl get stoned to death for being raped. Omer argues that she should not have been because she wasn’t tried properly according to Islamic law. Go tell her that. Oh wait, she’s dead- bummer. No solace there.
    Pakistan doesn’t have the capabilities to attack on US soil, that’s why Islamic terrorists pull small attacks on unarmed Christians and human rights workers in Islamic countries.
    And Omer, I would love for our troops to leave Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. but they can’t because Islamic law would run amok and that’s a good enough reason for me and many others to keep troops stationed in these countries.  We could strike a deal, all Muslims in the US and Europe go back to their shitholes and all Americans and Europeans will leave and stay out the the shitholes. Then all the shitheads will be in thier respective shitholes.  Then the shitheads can battle it out, Shia and Sunni to the death- then Israel can take over the entire middle East and the world will be a better place. No more Muslims, no more Islam, finally Peace!

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Yes jennyjen finally, Peace!    Finally, no Muslims, or Islam.  Now I don’t think Obama is going to go for that or give us any peace from his bankrupt personality disorder.  These Muslims are multiplying like flies.  Omer or whoever he is or whatever is not going to either,  FYI  I don’t read a word he writes.  Too boring and long.  Whew!  There is no answer anyway, so it’s hopeless with all the Obama’s and Omer’s in the world.  God will have to send his son Jesus Christ back for any peace whatsoever.  That’s the bottom line.

  • jennyjen

    Carolyn, I felt like I had solved the middle East crisis when I typed that last post! I felt an overwhelming feeling of peace. I’m not expecting the 13th Madji (is that how you spell it?, like I give a rats hairy ass) to reappear. Just a question, where’s that muzzy supposed to be anyway?
    God will send Jesus back, I’m feeling pretty strong on that one. I try not to let religion get in the way of my spirituality as that seems to be the fanatics major malfunction. The world is full of evil, 10 million Muslims was the last head count and don’t forget the pseudo-Christians such as the KKK and Black Liberation Theologists. Excuse my language but it’s a fucked up world!

  • Hafsa

    These quotes were put completley out of their context so that you can apply them to whatever you might think about Islam. Women in Islam are in no way oppressed in comparison to women in the West; they are seen as nothing but sexual objects to fulfill the needs of men. However with Islam which was brought down more than 1,000 years ago, women had the right to have businesses, be involved in politics and so on however, in the West, women were only recently allowed to vote, work and own property. Women such as the Suffragettes would sometimes die for the rights of women whereas in Islam, women already had these rights more than 1,000 years before.

    And as for hijaab, it is far from oppresive because if anything, it allows the woman to be seen for her intelligence, personality etc. rather than as some peice of meat. I’m afraid to say it but women that aren’t covered these days can’t walk around without being looked at.

    Islam is the fastest growing religion in the word, I wonder why?

  • Chris

    Do not even begin to compare women in countries like SA and Pakistan to women in the West.

    Islam is the fastest growing religion because of birthrate and fear of leaving.
    Why are Muslim so afraid of other religions?

    Wearing a hijab has nothing to do with intelligence.
    I will save you some time, your con will not work here.

  • Charles

    Islam is gone? Hell someone better tell Nation of Islam that. And half of the middle east. Lies? Really? Then why was a buisness women beaten when arrested in Saudi Arabia? Crime? She was at a coffee shop with a male co-worker. Hmmmm. BTW, yer full of shit. Ever seen a vile fucking muslim do a clitorectomy? Unfortunatly, I did on youtube. They held the 12yr old girl down(the women did), then another one tore it off. There was about a gallon of blood on the floor from it….No sedative, nothing, just RIP!!! Now, what was any of you Muslim lovers saying about Women have rights? BTW, that video was 2007. I watch shit like that, to keep myself in check that your religion needs to go. If I were racist? Logically I would make my kids watch it and fill their head with the truth about Muslims. Alas, I am a Christian and cannot do that.

    Muslims claim we should fear them because of their unwavering love of Allah.
    I acknowledge your “check”, but I must “checkmate” you all with:

    Muslims need to thank their God that Christians love Jesus Christ more than they despise Muslims.

    THAT is the difference, get it? Jesus Christ is LOVE, not HATE.  He won’t do the HATE thing until the end. So while muslims raise their brats to hate, we raise our brats to be kind and loving. You got NO FREAKING idea what cauldron you would be stepping into, bringing that muslim terrorist shit to the USA.

    USA finds reasons to get unified, do not doubt that. When that prick Hussein started shit and it looked like another war with them under Clinton, even Rush Limbaugh look str8 at the camera and clarified our unity….Make no bones about it, “WE WILL SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT NO MATTER WHAT!” <–Limbaugh ABOUT BILL CLINTON! Get it?

  • Deborah

    Hafsa -
    Too bad you are brainwashed into your religion.  Women (and men)are treated the way they act. As to some reasons islam is the fastest growing religion – breeding like rabbits, fear of leaving and satan started it and he rules on the earth with God’s permission.  That is why islam is a mockery of Christianity – it’s satan’s counterfeit religion and is a lie. It’s said  the best lies are the ones closest to the truth. Thats islam. That’s why there are misquoted Christian scripture in the koran, to fool the ones that are  easily lead and don’t think for themselves.

  • Omer

    First of all I think you are sensible people and you should try to understand and read the complete posts. She didn’t have a fair trial because there it is said she was stoned to death and was not consulted by any lawyer. Secondly she was wrongly stoned and it was an act of ignorance because she was the victim here not the criminal because she was not willing. And punishment to her only implies if she were willing hundred stripes if unmarried. Stoned to death if married. Third may be it could have been honor killing. But what I am trying to say in all these posts that if you don’t approve the war in Iraq likewise Islam also doesn’t approve these acts. This is the mistake of those who misinterpret and those who don’t follow the teachings. Only government has the right to give punishment. Thirdly I posted all those links because I wanted to say before targeting Islam see what your own government and Army is doing. I say we should love our countries but not worship it. Because if we worship it we will see any action fit no matter it is against morality if it serves the our national interests. Thirdly the question was is it ethical or right to use nuclear weapons against USA. Is it ethical. The point I am trying to prove is don’t treat others bad if you want to be treated justly. These were the things I wanted to say in my posts.

  • Chris

    Islam is barbaric and does not fit in with Western culture.

  • Charles

    Omer:
    I’m back in “fair” mode. Tell me something, as you “splain” away…Where the hell were muslims like *YOU* on TV saying what happened was WRONG? I missed it. I do ask, PLEASE CITE ONE GOD DAMNED NEWS AGENCY THAT SHOWED ONE MUSLIM ANYWHERE THAT CONDEMNED IT??!?!?! Seriously bro, stfu. I lower-cased the “stfu” because now yer just enabling. Logically, if Muslims believed it was wrong or against their beliefs, they would have spoke out…None did. Therefore, they logically believed it to be ok. Shhhh, go to sleep now.

  • Omer

    America is a barbaric country and does not fit on the planet earth.

  • Charles

    Sorry Omer…Hate to burst yer bubble, but America is…Therefore, Islam/Muslims cannot be. You are a threat to Capitalism, Democratic rule, Social life, fabric of humanity…You represent a CLEAR danger to humanity as a religion. I as a Human rule your religion guilty of crimes against Earth and its inhabitants. I sentence you to quietly fall away into the night and remove yourself from the memory of all. No go away, and don’t come back.

  • Omer

    I have not said about the believes of Muslims. Muslims like me may be in home or doing something else. Not every one can reach on any channel and just say his comments. The thing is that Islam’s teachings can’t be percieved by misguided actions of some muslims. I don’t attend a lecture of a professor. After ten next lectures I visit. Will it be ok for me to accuse him that he has not delivered me the previous lectures. Or he is incompetent to give this lecture. Because I am not understanding him well. Where as the truth is that I have skipped ten lectures before and Now I can’t keep them up. Secondly not every muslim country practices these things. For instance in some countries there are honor killings but it is not included in the constitution or from the government or from the majority of the population. Exceptions or minorities don’t make rules. And I condemn them. Let me remind you I don’t say they are right. But What I say that these are not the teachings or common practice in the majority.

  • Charles

    Soz Omer, that makes you an Enabler. You are enabling the terrorist. Now go away.

    Failure to stand up and make a stand against WRONG, makes you not only weak and an enabler, but a sellout. There is no argument to it, you just admitted it.

  • Omer

    What i have admitted. Sad that you can’t understand what I have said. will it be right to perceive you for the foul actions of your government. That is the point I am making. I have not admitted any new thing. Just told you what is the reality. And how the small wrong action is being mispercieved and posted as an abuse and used for the majority which believes in peace. I am very clear in my thinking by the grace of God. And I am standing on my point. How I am enabling the terrorists. You are confused I think.

  • Charles

    Omer, I could’ve sworn I outted you…Now, go away and pretend you weren’t. Shhh.

  • Chris

    Omer,

      You are nothing more then an excuse maker. 
    Your comment about calling them the minorities is a bunch of nonsense. If they were only a minority, groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood would not have so much power.
  • Omer

    And why you keep on telling me what to do and go back or come here. Go back yourself. You don’t own this site. And if you do own then this forum is for every ones comments. Like you comment i comment too. SO you go away. Your crimes are interference. Rape, murder and in order to protect your national interests un ethical crimes like atomic blasts. Spreading lies and invading other’s countries where as you preach even invading other’s privacy is wrong and against the US law. These are your crimes and I sentence you for this. You and your weapon are a threat to planet earth. So Go away yourself.

  • Chris

    The reality is that Omer is full of it. He is only here to try and silence us but does not say a word to the Islamic preachers of hate across the world.

    Those millions who voted fro Hezbollah, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are not for peace. It very telling that no other religion is causing so many problems across the world.
    1400 years and “moderate” Islam has not been able to take control.
    No one is buying what you are selling Omer.
  • Omer

    Well. As far as Hizbullah is concerned I am happy that it has defeated Israel when she wanted to invade Labenon and it is a clear message to every nation who is trying to invade Muslim countries. And secondly I don’t know about the other agencies. If they are for protecting their countries I support them as well. But if they are interested in blowing up civilians then I am against it.

  • Chris

    Omer,

      Stop with the games. Hezbollah started the war and Israel had every right to go and fight to try and get their soldiers back. Israel only stopped because of an over concern for civilian deaths. Next time Lebanon will not be so lucky, you shelter terrorists and you will pay the price. The truth is that if Isael decides to take the gloves off, their Islamic neighbours will not stand a chance.
    You are clearly the enemy of non-Muslims.
  • Omer

    You yourself terrorists and racists and rapists who have set Israel as your agent in the land of Palestine. In which the jews have no right to capture and claim the land and make their country named Israel. Israel stopped because she had faced a regrettfull strong defeat. If Israel so much cares about innocent civilians explains its countless voilence and murder in Palestine. You coward terrorists.

  • Chris

    The UN set Israel there and they have the right to exist. They gave the Palestinians Gaza and all they did was move the rockets closer Israel and destroy the greenhouses because the Jews made them. Now they deserve nothing.

    Lets be real Israel could destroy Lebanon in a few days. That stopped because of the whiney liberals.
    BTW, Islam is not a race.
  • Chris

    Omer came on this site trying to act friendly and get us to back off on Islam. Since that did not work, now we can all see his true colors.

  • Joan

    Chris,
    True colours of Islamic terrorists and their partners and supporters will always shine through, for all to see.
    Like a glass vase you can see right through them. They are as transparant as Islam itself.

    Joan

  • Chris

    Hey Joan,

      What are you doing up?
  • Joan

    well, being a fun day I thought I would get up early, say my prayers for a successful day, get the crisps and sweeties in and watch TV.
    And wish you luck in getting the right president.

    Joan

  • Omer

    The UN is a joke organization which only agrees to USA. And when USA breaks UN’s resolution then she keeps quiet and can do nothing. As UN passed resolution against America’s idea to attack Iraq. Like wise UN has no right to set any group of people to set on any peace of land and say its your country now. This is a bogus argument of having anyone;s right to invade. Secondly you wanna know what Israel has done in ISrael

    Read this and I will like your comments on this

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

    And this
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081022123518AAdoiTI

    There was another person who posted that I was from an misinformed civilization and you people are very well informed.

    Unfortunately your information didn’t work when you attacked a country named Iraq which was not a threat to any one according to your own views and later on you people learned that she has been made a terrorist heaven by you. what a super intelligence and well informed organization you got there named CIA and other well informed agencies.

    How ISrael Defeated?

    Read this ANd I will like your commetns on thsi

    http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=9533

    And this

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3500889,00.html

    And this

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1001303.html

  • Chris

    Thanks we appreciate that mate.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Double thanks, Joan and I may can sneak an e-mail, if we get approved, got to work polls tomorrow.  With this coal bankrupt deal, and the electric prices that Obama has plans to sky rocket, this election is going to be a win for America, and for McCain/Palin.  I’m thanking God now, and much love to all of the true believers that wins over the hate.  YEA!!!!!!  Love never fails!

  • Joan

    Carolyne,
    I pray you get the right man.
    Or if you get the wrong man you get a good replacement within 6 months.

    Joan

  • Joan

    yes carolynne sneak email.

    Joan

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Joan: We’ll get it right, but this six month thing, that could end up to be Pelosi,  YUCK!  unless the military forms a coo.  Got to get it right this time, America can’t wait. . . 1 month let alone 666, if you get my drift.   YES!

    Confusion: Liz & being rude jennyjen.  This grandmother (rather odd)???

    XOXO – wouldn’t be bad to get code, in this crazy, crazy world.

  • Bosniak

    Your post has taken the word of the Qu’ran out of context.

    More or less the same sentences can also be found in the Old Testament of a Christian Bible aswell. However, the context in which you use these passages can alter the stance of them. In their natural verses, they are supported and benelovent loving passages showing true respect towards women. When put in red font, and written in bias terms, they seem negative.

    Shame on you, you have used trickery to inspire fear into the hearts of misinformed people, bent on finding a scapegoat. So, next time you slander a Muslim, or try and taint Islam – in any respect – remember the scapegoat of 1930′s and 1940′s and how their reputation was degraded in much the same fashion…

  • Bosniak

    oh and I’m a white American Muslim, and I love Christians, I love all my neighbours and treat them how I would like to be treated, just like Prohphet Jesus pbuh said to.

    And in the end – people of all race, creed or religion – do bad things, people do evil things. But this is due to Satan our common enemy, and we all worship the sam God. Allah is only the Arabic name used for God, God is Yahweh, Allah IS the Christian God. So why fight over details, on the “path”, when we all want to end up at the same destination.

  • Joan

    Carolyne,

    “Wolf and Horse, old sign of might.
    Lend your strength to me this night.
    The pain and grief, Muslims so easily give,
    Must be returned, so they may live,
    To know and feel, what they have done.
    And change their ways with harm to none.
    Send back the pain,teach them this night.
    And help them do, what they know is right.
    Go outside, throw dirt to the winds,
    Knowing that Muslims will realise,
    what they have done”.

    Realisation to Muslims Spell.

    Joan

  • Tonto (USA)

    Omer, You’ll be glad to know that I was “tailgating” at a football game last W/E and met a “Green Beret” that had been on several missions in Afghanistan.  He said the whole terrorist war thing was not about religion at all.  It’s about having total power over anyone under their eyes.  The Taliban rules, not FOR religion, but BY religion.  Islam is just the tool they use for an explanation of what they do.  Happily, they are the worst troops in the world.  “Spray and pray” is their main tactic and our coalition soldiers kill them by the hundreds.  Brave, but stupid.  The warlords are about power and control…..as they have been for a thousand years.
      Hezbulla is a tool of Iran, Omer.  And Iran is trying to make an empire of the Middle East, just like Saddam was.  Israel poses a threat and a focus for the muz leaders in the  Middle East.  The muz leaders use islam to repress their people.  Israel shows a successful society without the repression of islam, and a much better way of life.  Israel does not repress 50% of it’s population (females), but, in fact, makes them full partners.  Israel is about progress and working hard to live well.  The surrounding muz countries are filthy rich with oil money, and what have they done?  The barest minimum for their people.  Why?  To keep them in poverty, ignorance and under their leader’s thumb.  God forbid that the people should wake up and realize that their leaders have been misleading them and fucking over the people for their own aggrandizement.  If it’s up to muz leaders, their countries will remain shitholes with only the elite leaders living well and the rest as the slaves of the leaders.  Iran is descending into that shithole mentality.  The productivity, education levels, and standard of living is at the worst level in 60 years.  They have gotten millions slaughtered in stupid wars with Iraq.  They have slaughtered, or caused to be slaughtered, millions more worldwide by supporting muz movements for total power.  Al qaida is also supported by Iran, and if the truth were to be told, Iran is engaging in a world wide guerrilla war to promote the power of iran’s influence.  Iran also supports hamas and hezbulla, and almost any terrorist org that will help further the influence of Iran’s mullahs.  Iran has almost bankrupted itself in this attempt….and is due for another revolution.  Mark my words.  Iran will have another revolt.  It will probably start after iran is beaten militarily from outside.  Then there will be a choice for the minions of islam.  Convert or die.  Just like they gave everybody else over the centuries.
      By the way, Israel and the USA have shown remarkable restraint in dealing with all the muslims.  Who else has helped muz in times of disaster than the US?  Earthquakes, floods and tsunami aid.  Drought and famine aid.  Even protection for oppressed muz in Serbia and Croatia.  I remember aid being sent to iran after their last disastrous earthquake.  Where were their muz “brothers”?  Back home playing in their harems?  There is no doubt, as noted by others, that when the time comes, the world will “clean house” and islam will suffer a huge defeat.  They talk a good game, but are as small children having a moment of stupidity and tantrums.  The “spanking” is coming!  Do yourself a favor, Omer.  Convert now and avoid the rush.

  • jennyjen

    Well dip me in shit and roll me in cornflakes, I actually agree with a statement Omer made, “the UN is a joke organization”. Damn right they are, Hezbollah and Hamas use the UN to push the Muslim agenda. The UN needs to find a home in Iran or Pakistan and get the hell out of my country!  The US was doing a damn fine job of keeping our borders safe and country prosperous then the UN drug the US into diplomatic wars. Oh, Israel will thump Palestine, Iran and Pakistan without breaking a sweat, just an FYI.

    Joan, much love for the Muslim Spell, very true!

    Carolyn, I’ll be praying for McCain/Palin all day!

  • Deborah

    Well said Tonto!

  • Chris

    Tonto,

       I believe that the Green Beret is ignorant about Islam. They are doing what their religion tells them to do and until the world faces the root cause of the problem, which is Islam we will never win this war. The GB should look across the world and see that Muslims are calling for their won Islamic states in the France, China, Russia, Thailand, the Phillipines etc….but it has nothing to do with religion, yea OK.
    1400 years of the same problem and most of the world just cannot face it, because it is a religion. (That was not meant for you Tonto).
  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    @Bosniak:

    Your response is so typical. Spare us with the same rhetoric that all “moderate Muslims” take. Why is it so hard for you to recognize the evil within your own? Why blame us? We did not bring the hate upon the world. Islam and Mohammed did. Or do you just not pay attention to the news? 99.9% of all terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims. Why are you being dishonest?

  • Chris

    Bosniak,

       That is why there is a New Testament and all one has to do is look towards the  MIddle East to see how women are treated under Islam.
    Then you bring up the hatred that was preached against the Jews int the 40′s. Funny how you do not say a word about the hatred that Muslims preach against Jews NOW.

    Introduction 
    Depicting Jews – and sometimes also Zionists – as “the descendants of apes and pigs” is extremely widespread today in public discourse in the Arab and Islamic worlds.

    For example, in a weekly sermon in April 2002, Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the highest-ranking cleric in the Sunni Muslim world, called the Jews “the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs.”

    In one of his sermons, Saudi sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam and preacher at the Al-Haraam mosque – the most important mosque in Mecca – beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are “the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs.”

     

    Save the Islam means peace lie for another site.

  • Chris

    Nice one Joan, they need a taste of their own medicine.

    The Pope is holding another interfaith meeting calling for equal rights for non-Muslims in Islamic countries. 
  • jennyjen

    Chris, I believe you just handed Bosniak his ass! Congrats on a job well done my fellow infidel!

    In reference to the pope’s new meeting, could there be a bigger waste of time? He could check his email or update his myspace page and accomplish more than he will holding this meeting.  All this PC crap combined with election day- I’m gonna need a beer after work.

  • Chris

    Thanks fellow non-believer.

    I know the Pope is wasting time but…….does he have something else planned,
    like using this to show he tried? Most people do not know this but a couple of years ago the Vatican had a conference/exibition to show why the Crusades were ordered.
    Now look at how tough Italy is cracking down on Islam. Does the Pope have a say in this?
    Italy crackdown on Islam.
    http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/08/muslims-not-welcome-at-interfaith.html
  • jennyjen

    Chris, I catch what you throwin and I like it. He is putting out every effort to bridge the gap and Islam keeps tearin it down. I love what Italy and China are doing and hope the rest of the world will follow in step.

    Maybe he’s setting the stage for another Crusade of sorts?

  • Omer

    No. When you people point out that this this and this is wrong in Islam. But when i point out you that what you are doing is wrong according to so and so link. Why people don’t comment on this. This is the fact. See yourself before attacking or criticizing others. This is total stupidity targeting others while ignoring your mis deeds. Wake up.

  • Chris

    JJ,

       Exactly!!
    Omer, 
     Islam is a threat to our way of life. When I say we, I do not mean you. If you do not like what is being said here, do not come here. You will not change the subject. America is not perfect, but it is a million times better then what Islam brings to the world.
  • jennyjen

    Omer,
    Listen to Chris, we don’t need Islam to govern our lives. You use anti-war and anti-American blogs to back up your crap. We ain’t anti-American on this site, we are pro-guns, pro-death penalty and pro-throwin every Muslim in this country out on their collective asses. That’s how we roll, don’t like, don’t read it but this is America and we have the right to say it!

  • Omer

    If Islam is a threat to your way of life. You people are threat to life itself of others.

  • jennyjen

    Omer, Are you bragging that Afghani Children play with guns? You are sick and twisted and may you rot in hell with your pedophile Mohammed, fleas be upon him.
    You criticize America so much but we are used to it because being right doesn’t always make you popular or loved. It usually brings outlandish criticism coupled with hate. The US can handle that, can you?

  • Chris

    Islam is a threat to the freedoms of the world. Just look at the Middle East.

  • Charles

    Allah has abandoned muslims, because they are and were weak…They lost
    the war for Israel even tho they outnumbered the jews 5-10 to 1…If Allah
    exists, and I were muslim…I’d be pretty pissed off @ him for that.
    However, the Jews taking it and keeping it for 40 years, tells me the God
    of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob kept his promise to them.

    Muslims don’t sink fear into the heart of anyone, they are a joke. They are
    bout as scarey as a Mon-Chi-Chi….They are like the inbred uncle or cousin
    yer embarassed to have in the family…

    Terrorists are weak lil wimps…In the battlefield(real one) against the USA armed forced, the war would last all of 20 mins. They hide like lil weasels and dwell
    in caves cuz nobody wants to be around them, cuz they smell FROM being in a
    cave. Try shaving, cuttin hair, brush the teeth, bathing and quite possibly women wouldn’t have to be beaten to fuckin marry them.

    Hezbollah “won”? Where was I. What I saw was a bitch leader in Israel cuffing the hands of his military. Guess what? That prick is gone. Try again, would love to witness the difference.  Golda Meir owned the MIDDLE EAST! How about that? Getting bitchslapped by a Jewish woman! LOL!

    Muslims are so afraid of women, they no longer allow them to purchase Cucumbers….LOL! Talk about penis envy! Is that the problem? Terrorists all
    have small penises? Is that why they are so angry?

  • Bosniak

    just saying that, Muslims are the new scapegoat. I am a fourth generation white American, and it saddens me, when I meet someone – and they can’t tell my religion – but when they learn, how their reaction turns. I have no hate towards anyone just because of religion.

    its pointless arguing, and a search engined that quote, and all the refrences were from anti-biased websites, just saying… dont persecute someone on the actions of others. (But we are sort of off women rights-topic here. Especially with the whole terrorism thing. I see that as a move to use fear to win an argument ecetera.)

    and Charles, ”If Allah exists”, and I were muslim…I’d be pretty pissed off @ him for that.
    However, the Jews taking it and keeping it for 40 years, tells me the God
    of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob kept his promise to them. ”

    “IF Allah exists” Allah and Yahweh are the same God. Allah is the God of Abraham. Islam decended from Abraham. LOL. So yeah, theres no doubt that “Allah” exists unless your an atheist.

  • Chris

    Bosniak,

        Muslims are to blame for problems across the world. As they are constantly trying to impose Islam on non-Muslims, theatening people and calling for their own Islamic states within non-Islamic countries. So do not act like people are criticising them for no reason. 
    All save the anti-biased website excuse. Non-Muslims have every right to speak about these issues and the Islamic world invites a world of criticism. As so called moderate Muslims sit around and do not even attempt to take control of the Islamic world.
  • Chris

    Bosniak probably does not even know much about his own religion.

  • Charles

    I was listening to a Michael Savage show on the radio one
    time…It was interesting, he had a muslim caller. The caller
    agreed with him about needing to stand up against the
    radicals. Michael asked him why they didn’t…The muslim
    replied something like: In my community 90% are normals
    and 10% are radicals, but the 90% are afraid of the 10% and
    terrified to speak out. -end quote-

    Hmmm, how is that possible since there are only
    misunderstood muslims, and no violent ones? Keep
    in mind, this was an American Muslim, in American
    town, which is why the ratio was so off. Wonder
    what that ratio is in Saudi Arabia?

  • Deborah

    Charles  ~  1.5 billion muslims / 10% want to kill us. You do the math!  Scary.

  • Charles

    Omer yer an idiot and via the postings, proven so, go away now and let the normal adults talk.

    Deb, sorry Imma ask you to do the math, reverse that replace 10% with 90%…Get it? Then research 600AD, specifically the Crusades…Seriously research, and find that most MUSLIMS at the time preferred living under their “conquerors” the Christians @ the time, because they were treated better and had more freedom and rights. See the problem in todays lights?

    You aren’t thinking globally, so let’s do that. Who stands to lose greater numbers in a war, the country with 400M or 1.2B? If Country A) drops a nuke on Country B) that houses 1B muslims, is the death rate going to be higher or lower than if Country B) drops a dirty bomb on Country A)????

    Obviously the answer is ez to get….Logically then we can assume, 1B Chinese won’t be a problem, neither would any little shitty  muslim controlled country….So using that math, let the muslims rattle their sabres, they are obsolete in a military conversation. Bomb our city, we nuke your country, enuff said.

    Whoops, my bad…Obama is going to be our President now, so negate everything I just said. When a person running for office of the Presidents
    gets praises from Commies and Terrorists, what does that mean for Defense?

    Exactly.

  • Omer

    Charles you are idiot and bullshit extremist person which is shown by your posts. So get lost your self. America is shit. She wants democracy in the world but supports dictators for her national interests. American nation is stupid enough that she is being fooled by the jews who control the western media and she is being fooled by the government as well. It is a disgrace to a nation who calls herself educated and civilized. America is a terrorist. And hates muslims because they fucking her furiously and in reality she is a mean little bitch and will never succeed in her motives in order to disrupt world peace in the notion of creating world peace. And 90% of the Americans are ignorant fools who know nothing reasonable. The remaining ten percent who are sensible are foreigners and blacks. So Go to hell.

  • simon

     I don’t believe in god… so to me everything you say sounds like the ravings of a lunatic, who has committed his life to believing in complete nonsense

  • simon

    … well don’t worry the sun wont catch the moon because one orbits the other…

    The trouble is… all of this is a load of bulshit… if you want to believe the the so called words of wisdom of mohammed the peodophile, then go ahead… its a free country. 

    Obviously Islamic countries are not free, as if you stop believing that bullshit they you will be killed under sharial law for apostacy.

    Do you believe in fairies as well?

  • simon

    …. well these might be rules you want to live by… but I certainly don’t… 

  • simon

    … weird rules, you cannot have anal sex with your wife, but you can lock her in a room and beat her… what a load of nonsense

  • Omer

    And by the way in second World War Muslims were fighting the British Oppression. They were not fighting with Hitler because they were fighting to Britishers at that time. And Hitler because made the British weak so he indirectly helped muslims liberate their country.

  • simon

    … also interesting to note your defence of child sex… what you are saying is: Because mohamedy had sex with one nine year old (that we know of), and his other wives were older he was not a peodophile.

    And because the nine year old enjoyed it, it was not child abuse.

    So as long as a man havs sex with lots of old women before he havs sex with a child, and as long as the child does not cry, then everything is ok.

    shit… has any one got gary glitters number… I think he has suffered a massive miscarriage of justice.

    you are one sick puppy Omer

  • Tonto (USA)

    Please let me clarify a couple points.  Bosniak, islam did NOT descend from Abraham, the arabs did.  The “handmaid” of Abraham’s wife was impregnated by Abraham, and her son was the “heir” until Abraham’s wife finally had a son.  The the hand maid and her bastard were thrown out, at the request of Ruth, and from the bastard descended the arabs.  So, I guess, arabs are pigs and apes too….at least if the Jews are, cause they had the same Daddy.  And bastards too.
    Omer and Bosniak both, most of us don’t hate anybody because of their race, religion, national origin or whatever.  I DO hate assholes, and ignorant assholes that are threatening to kill me and harm mine are at the top of my list.  The word is out that muslims hate the US and Israel and they make no mistake that they want to destroy both.  The muz PROVE how nuts they are by killing anybody and anything for whatever goofball reason they can come up with.  I think if the muz were properly armed they would slaughter everybody in the world that ain’t another muz……but that’s wrong, they kill hell out of other muz too.  I think islam has to be eradicated.  It’s like a zit that needs to be popped or a tooth that needs to be pulled.  A stone in the shoe of the world, so to speak. The world would be a better place without it.  I have a feeling it will happen.  Already mullahs are bitching about how apostates are increasing.  Iran has many people that wish to return to the old Zoroastrian religion….and then the Bahais have started a new one (and of course they’re catching hell for it).  Funny thing about repression though.  It has a tendency to turn back on itself and bite it’s own ass.  I think they’re big teeth too.
     

  • simon

    nicely put  Tonto

  • Deborah

    Not to nitpic, but Abraham was married to Sarah. Ruth was a widow and lived at a later time. :)   I think the rest of what you said was spot on.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Barbara you are right, it’s Sarah.   Tonto you are very patient with all the questions, and with all the stupidity coming in here with these Musses.  I am not sure of anything much anymore myself,  so just keeping quiet,  silence is golden.   Not to nit pic, these top 10 quotes have turned into the top 10 quotes times 10 thousand now, that no one can ever trackback to.   I think the mission here is pretty much at a stand off, and it’s been kept pretty secret so far and I quote.  “No one is the wiser here.”  For sure they are still very brain dead  and quite impossible to untangle, very Godless.  Sorta reminds me of the Furor BO!

  • Deborah

    In the Christian bible Rev 22:18-19 tells us  ” For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
    That, among a myriad of  reasons, is why Christians and Jews will never accept islam. According to the Bible, it is a counterfeit religion and if you read the Bible and the koran you would see the koran contradicts the Bible (and itself).

  • jennyjen

    Question for Omer and Mohammed: You say the bible has been changed, due to various translations, I know this. I want to know how you can blindly believe that the Koran has never been changed or altered and it is the true “word of allah”? How can you be so sure? Where is your verification other than ” if allah says so, so it must be true”?

  • Gregory

    To jennyjen:  You don’t know squat about the Holy Bible. If you desire to be intellectually honest  you had better go read up on the dead sea scrolls. They are far older than the printed Bible but they confirm over 98% of the old Testament. Nothing in the Holy Bible has changed enough to change the meaning and intent of the original scriptures. Now go do some reading jennyjen.

  • Deborah

    BTW, your “prophet” did not question the accuracy of the Bible.  The lie that the Bible had been corrupted came centuries after Mohammad died when muslim scholars realized there were contradictions between the koran and the Bible. The koran points to the Bible as truth over 120 times. 
    Also, Shiites claim that Uthman left out 25% of the original  verses for political reasons. And how about the verses left out that talk about worshiping 3 goddesses – daughters of allah?  I especially like sura 66 in which Mohammad gets allah’s permission to break a promise to Hafsa and screw the Christian slave-girl.  NIce, but  what do you expect from the god of a pedephil?
    The Bible has no such inconsistencies and has been verified by the Dead Sea scrolls which do not vary from modern texts.

  • jennyjen

    Gregory, slow your roll, man!  I’ve put in my fair share of Sunday school hours (my Dads been a preacher most of my life) and I believe the Bible to be the Word of God. Things get lost in translation and supposedly there are many books of the Bible that were left out due to redundancy or they weren’t deemed important enough to be in the Bible.  Is it a sin to be curious about the Bible and to maintain an open mind? I’d like to think not. If you never ask any questions, how do you get answers?
    Also, both Omer and Mohammed stated that the Bible has been horribly altered by man. I disagree with that statement and I want them to ‘splain it to me. They say the Koran is the untouched word of allah but the Bible is a bastard book even though Christianity is hundreds of years older than Islam. I wasn’t trying to slam Christianity or the Bible, sorry if you got that vibe.

    On another note, has anyone heard how the pope’s getting along in his inter-faith meeting? I’m sure the progress is minimal to say the least.

  • simon

    .. the bible wasn’t altered by man.. it was written by man… simple really…
    And if age is any proof of veracity then buddhism is the oldest… so that must be right. Hang on Sun worship is older.. so that must be right.  
    They have all been written by people… none of the people that wrote the gospels even met jesus… One thing I’m sure is god (if he exists) can’t hold a pen. 

  • Aisha

    Simon – you are ignorant.  The gospels were written by the guys that hung out with Jesus. This site is about how islam treats women, not site disputing the bible.

  • simon

    Well if you use one belief system to attack another then they are both up for examination. Please don’t tell me I can’t dispute the bible.. why not. Which gospel was written by someone that hung out with jesus?

    Furthermore if we believe in freedom of speech then if I think the bible is a pile of nonsense (which i do) then i am free to say so. 

  • simon

    … but anyway ignorant or not you say the gospels (plural) were written by guys that hung around with jesus. Please tell me which gospells (plural) you are refering to an what evidence you have that the writers were contepories of jesus.

    I await your reply in anticipation and ignorance

  • Kat

    Hey Simon,

    It’s useless, man.  I tried to make this point months ago, that it’s not Islam that’s the problem but all organized religion to greater or lesser degrees.  They won’t hear it.  They aren’t interested in reason or truth.  They’re only interested in making sure “their side” wins, for no other objective reason than it’s theirs.  They recognize that Islamic terrorism is wrong but they are impotent to defend that position without recourse to an imaginary sky-daddy.

  • Aisha

    Go to a different site to debate the bible.  Read the book Case for Christ by Lee Strobel to learn more.  This site is about how islam is unfair to women.

  • Aisha

    Kat – I don’t need a “sky-daddy” to know islam is wrong.  I just have to look at the news and see the stonings, murders ect. perpetuated by this “religion” to know it’s f*cked up.

  • Kat

    Aisha – but why?  Can you tell me why it’s wrong, can you defend it rationally?  Obviously I agree that it’s wrong, but let’s say I didn’t.  Let’s pretend I feel that what the terrorists did is right.  I believe it with all my heart, I believe it is a just cause they fight for.  My God tells me it’s the right thing to do, and I can’t go against God regardless of what human sympathies I may have.  What response would you have for me then?  Why are your feelings, your deeply held-beliefs more genuine or valid than mine?

  • Aisha

    Kat – it doesn’t matter what I answer since your scenario includes belief in a psychotic, murderous god.( Oh wait, that’s islam.)  There is no rational answer the way you have set up your questions since apparently there is no right or wrong in your world.

  • Kat

    You’ve missed the point, I’m afraid.  I do understand right and wrong, I understand it very well.  What I am trying to show you is that you cannot justify your view of right and wrong, that you are powerless to defend against the viewpoint I described, if you can only refer to feelings and intuitions.  Right and wrong are not self-evident, obviously, since people disagree.  If it were obvious to everyone we wouldn’t have a problem.  No, right and wrong must be discovered, teased out, justified.  It takes work.  Religion is just a shortcut, and a bad one at that.

  • jennyjen

    Kat, I understand what you are saying. Basically people use religion to justify their actions, good or bad. The weak-willed will quote their own holy verses in defense of whatever action when really it is just the hate they carry in their hearts.  What we are dealing with is a level of decency, right and wrong, good and bad.  Am I in the ballpark?
    I believe in God, the Golden Rule, Common Sense and “turn about is fair play”. It works for me and I don’t try to force my belief system on anyone (try finding an atheist in Arkansas, you’ll find 10 working meth labs before you’ll find an atheist). And that’s funny to me, you’re claiming to be a good person but you cook dope. A guy I used to know, his mother would gather the components and say a prayer over them before cooking the meth. Like I said in an earlier post, it’s a fucked up world.

  • Deborah

    Just a thought here – most cultures have 2 intrinsic taboos and those are against random murder and incest.   I think the discussion has gone off topic a bit, unless you are saying that islam and islamic women use religion to justify their actions, even if others find them objectionable.  Where are Omar & FAR for comic relief??

  • Joan

    Hands up who read Omer’s posts ?
    Hands up who think’s Omer and his Religion of Peace is a bloody bore ?
    Hands up who wants to talk about the Islamification of the world ?
    Hands up who is going to complain about Omer and his long boring essay’s ?

    Joan

  • Deborah

    I, as well as you, am bloody tired of his cut and paste tirades.  Sorry I asked for comic relief, he’s more of a sleep aid!

  • Joan

    I am sorry to leave but I really just can’t stand it.

    Good luck.

    Joan

  • Chris

    Omer if you flood the board with cut and pastes one more time you will be banned, it is that simple.

  • simon

    Aisha… you have accused me of being ignorant. You come out with stuff that is quite clearly wrong, and then start calling other people names.

    … having said “the gospells were written” by the guys that hung around with jesus”… you completely failed to say which one… don’t you know?… could you be completely wong – ironically while accusing others of ignorance?

    I can only assume this is because, having made a stupid statement that shows no knowledge, you are now trying to avoid the question.

    As far as i am aware (and you seem unable to support your own counter argument up). NONE of the gospells were written by contempories of jesus…. let me spell it out… not one gospell writer ever met jesus… and not one lived at the same time.

    The gospells were written a very long time after the death of jesus… centuries in some cases. NONE of the gospel writers new jesus, or were contempories of jesus. 

    Let us take just one as an example… Paul… previously known as Saul… check out some facts Aisha… tell me when he wrote his gospell… i think you will be surprised.

    he saw a blinding light fell of his horse and had a divine vision.

     I know someoeon (his name is Phil butler)  who saw a blinding light, nearly fell of his bycicle , and and says he was probed by aliens.

    the similarity in these stories is amazing. Neither of them lived at the same time as jesus, both saw a light, both had a spiritual experience. In my opinion they were both attention seeking storytellers. Of course they may also be psychotic.

    but Aisha I have given you plenty of time, please amaze me and all the biblical historians, and back up your extraordinary claim that the gospells were written by the “guys that hung around with jesus”

    If of course you can’t back up your nonsense, then we will have to assume that you admit you were completely wrong on this one.

    this would of course mean that you have established a whole belief system for yourself based on a staggering ignorance of the facts. And have backed up your belief system with falsehoods.
    and you call me ignorant… maybe you should read more than just that one book… oh and why not start by answering the question i have asked you three times….

  • aisha

    I will not debate you because it does not matter what I say, you are ensconced in your atheism. You would never acquiesce to my point of view. If that belief system works for you, fine.  Again, I say this blog is about islam and if you want to debate about the bible, go elsewhere.

  • Charles

    Omer, you just dissed muslims and blacks, wow you a hater. See blacks make up 12% alone, so that means you hate hispanics too, asians, whatever % muslims makeup in the USA….All this anti-female rants, wow, get a life. I would’ve said “laid” but obviously you don’t, ergo the anger.

  • Tonto (USA)

    Thanks for the correction….right, it was Sarah not Ruth.  ‘Preciate it.
    The koran WAS abridged, even though the muz won’t admit it.  So were the hadiths.  Some things in the original were edited out and some things that were not in the originals were added, just like the Bible.  The Bible had some “books” completely eliminated (some were “lost”ie. The Gospel of Thomas, and The Gospel of Mary and more) and some of the translations, which went through 3 or more languages, are less than 100%.  The Dead Sea scrolls are helping to straighten some of that out, and re-translations are helping with other probs.  I don’t know what the various Christian Churches make of all that.
      I think ya’ll are right about this thread, it’s a magnet for muz buttheads now.  I quit, ain’t writin’ here no more.
     
     

  • Chris

    Tonto stick around, I am in the process of putting an end to that.

    A couple of them that add commnts is OK, but these pages of Islamic propanganda will be put to an end.
  • Chris

    OMER HAS BEEN BANNED, TOO MANY COMPLAINTS AGAINST HIM.

  • simon

    Aisha I never raised the topic of the bible. 

    I was responding to it’s authority being waved about in this thread as if it had any serious validity. 

    and if you don’t want to debate with me fine, 

    but the fact remains the associates of jesus were not the men who wrote the gospells. You said they were. (oops!)

    - A startling example of a lack of basic knolwedge of your own faith. 
    its not really a debate as such.  

  • Charles

    Chris, come on now! He was fun to debate(argue?) with! You have
    to admit, it was ez to reply to him??? His posts were filled with
    more holes than the movie!

    Dude, seriously…His posts are a joke to rational humans, including
    his distortion of his own faith. It’s actually cute watching you guys
    rip it to shreds so I don’t have to! I’m a lazy typer :)

    I say again: Notice he flipped from nice and stuff to angry threatening
    muslim??? Went from America, Our country to YOUR country and
    name calling against it??? That’s ez…..

    Anyways, Chris, like Kal, you are a thought provoking poster, you
    should let noobs like him stay, I really do enjoy reading your posts,
    Kals, possibly some of Simons and Tontos….

  • Charles

    There was no “Gospel of Mary”, since Mary wasn’t an
    Apostle. She had writings, but they are/were not
    tanamount to the Bible, as they were her beliefs not
    the Holy Spirit inspired writings. The peeps that wrote
    the Bible, were filled with the Holy Spirit and wrote
    what they wrote. Mary was not one of them.

  • Charles

    Simon:
    It’s a given in the thread history on here, that most of the arguers against
    Islam/Muslims/Faith of them/Quaran are Christians. I believe, Aisha
    was working on that assumption, not arguing against an Admin that does
    not believe in her beliefs or is different(Agnostic/Atheist/whatever).

    I will debate you. Parameters will of course be agreed upon.

    The Bible may not have authority here, but to a Christian it is the
    inerrant word of the Living God…Oh, and is infallible :)

    See, the difference between Christians(legit) and Muslims? We don’t
    do the whole razing villages thing, beheading non-believers, etc…

    When I get into an argument with a non-believer or non-Christian
    It boils down to a simple response: I have faith in my beliefs, you
    do not….No harm, No foul.

    I don’t believe in anything outside of the Word of God in regards
    to Christianity or the KJV of the Bible. That includes the Dead sea
    scrolls. I don’t believe the Catholic systems of belief, they go
    in part, against the Bible.

    Jesus’ words in regards to his mother were in the Bible, he questioned
    the audacity of her to request interupting his sit-down, with
    asking who is what and such. The point obviously he was making,
    was that even tho he sat with sinners, they are still his brothers…

    So email me and we can hookup online and debate, or in person if
    you like, that is fine.

  • simon

    … thanks for that post. The trouble with all this is when you say the bible is the infallible word of god. Obviously I don’t believe that, and it sound no different to the sort of thing a moslem would say. I know they are nasty and you are nice etc, but to me it sounds the same sort of I have no other word than nonsense.

    but ok if you want to believe that then that is really nothing to do with me, but the problem I have is that people who believe they have divine authority for their beliefs are all potentially worrying.

    However the real nub of it for me, is I was brought up a christian, went to sunday school etc. And if there is one thing I would say, the teachings of Jesus are as moving as they are profound. I have a feeling a lot of it has been twisted over the years but never the less, it is a deeply spiritual teaching, that i can’t disagree with.

    But the problem is there is a danger in believing you have divine authority for your beliefs.

    Am i right in saying the life of christ and the teachings of christ are measure of a chritians life.

    that is (correct me if I am wrong) meekness, forgiving, compassion, non judmentalism, the ability to turn the other cheek, and love.

    Who could disagree with that… well not me.

    The trouble is, when christians start getting really fundamental, they in contrast seem to become more and more agressive…. he is doing gods work, ordering the bombers out of their hangers. I don’t think jesus would have used napalm on other people. I don’t think he would fire nuclear tipped warheads at other human beings. I think (just my opinion) if the world is to progress I think the christians should emulate the qualities of christ. And not be claiming that what they say is gods will.

    So here’s a poser… seeing as i believe the qualities (as listed above)  of christ to be the yardstick for a meaningful spiritual life (just my oppinion of course).

    i just don’t see how the people who call themselves christians… Bush and his cronies… and tony “now im a catholic” Blair, can cause so much death an suffering.Effectively in the name of christ. 

    Mother Teresa on the other hand seems to be a great example of a life in the service of others.

    why aren’t more christians pacifists. Jesus had a country occupied by rome, and he didn’t advocate violence (o.k. he had a hissy fit in the temple with some knotted ropes, but there is no report of him actually hitting anyone”

    Put in modern terms, if america was occupied by say… well say anyone… Lybia, Russia, Iran. That was the situation Jesus lived in, and yet he preached absolute non violence. 

    Think about that…. 

  • Charles

    Soz, I wasn’t brought up a Christian :) And I am not ordering anyone to do
    anything. It’s ez, you simply have to look at the picture:
    12 of the worlds top intelligence/spy gathering/agencies all agreed on
    (1) thing…..Iraq had WMD’s….Now either those 12 top agencies were all
    stupid and wrong, or they were right in which case Israel was right when
    they Hussein smuggled out the WMD’s in Red Cross trucks to Syria,
    and all….The suffering was caused by Hussein and propped up by
    terrorist/sympathizers….Never EVER forget, before the US invasion,
    the rape rooms, the torture rooms, et al…..I’m sorry, but when the
    neighbor of husseins son simply asked him to turn his party music
    down cuz he had kids sleeping, then Quasi-ey had him beaten and
    killed for it….When that happens, it is wrong. Women/girls/females
    can now go to school…Soz, I file it under no harm no foul. When
    females are told they can no longer buy cucumbers, only men can
    …That’s silly! When my bro sends me a DVD from Iraq showing a
    little girl walking up to him and hugging him, then thanking him
    because now she can actually be educated?!?!! FUCK! I say TY! God
    I TY FOR THIS! Jesus was a pacifist to peeps @ the time, not in the
    book of Revelations…..Get it?

    He preached what he preached @ the time, because Christ was paving
    the way before the Jews(his peeps), for the mongrels(us), to be saved
    and able to enter into the Kingdom of God. When a Roman soldier can
    show more faith in him, than his own peeps…Get it?

  • simon

    … no thats just it I don’t get it at all. I can only go by the teachings of christ, an he preached non violence, overcoming hatred by love. He never ever preached fighting or killing.

    So no… I really don’t get it.

  • Omer

    There was a person who told me previously that he has quoted text from the muslim scholars who has far more knowledge than me on Islam. I would like to say that knowledge is not some one’s personal possession. Every one has the right to gain knowledge. And even the greatest of scholars have made mistakes. So any one who can define the thing clearly is a scholar no matter what amount of knowledge he has. As a matter of fact I have the basic knowledge of Islam. I have attended lectures as well as I ponder on the teachings and I keep on researching. So giving this argument that because I am not a professional scholar then I am wrong is a lame argument.

  • jennyjen

    Charles,
    Are you speaking of the book of Mary, mother of Jesus, or Mary Magdaline. Both had writings about the life of Jesus. Mary Magdaline was the first to see the resurrected Christ. Christ knew that she would believe in his resurrection and appeared to her first to go tell the other apostles that “He has risen”. I’m not trying to enduce a large argument but I do feel that what she had to say is important to the understanding of Christ’s life, as well as Mary, mother of Christ. I’ve always been intrigued by the gap in Jesus’ age not covered in the Bible, 12 to 33 just like that.  Seems like the mother of Jesus would have some insight to those years that we as Christians could use in our lives. That age range is a tough time for all of us and to understand how Christ handled it, well, it just seems it would help guide us in our troubled times.
    I agree with your stance on Catholicism- that’s a troubled church.

  • Tonto (USA)

    Charles, I was talking about the “lost Gospel” of Mary Magdalene.  That I know exists and was unincluded in the Bible revision @ 600a.d. along with a bunch of other things.  The rumor that Christ was preaching reincarnation got me looking for lost books one time.  I don’t know if Mary, mother of Jesus wrote anything.  If she had, I never heard of it.  jennyjen, do you know for sure?  I’ll look for it.  The Gospel of Thomas is terse and to the point.  He only hit the “high spots”.  Very interesting though, to say the least.

  • Charles

    Tonto, I know which Mary you were speaking of. Again, the “Gospels” were writings by the Apostles of Christ. Mary wasn’t an Apostle. They can be claimed as such,(they being anything) but they are not. It’s semantics although, but official “Gospels” are the writings of Jesus’ Apostles, no one else. Assuming we’re speaking of “the Gospels” and not “any ol gospel”.
    Christ never preached about reincarnation, “coming back to Earth as something or someone else.”
    =-
    Simon, Christ didn’t only speak pacifist ideals. He was quite clear the future of anyone that would turn a child against him, and it wasn’t only a threat, it was a promise. The same for divorce and adultry. The same firey eyed sword wielder in Revelations, is Jesus Christ.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    People don’t know or care, are destroyed for the lack of knowledge.

    II.Tim:3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God.  (God breathed) is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instruction in righteousness:
    That the man/woman of God may be perfect, throughly furnished  to all
    good works.  Note the word: throughly – threw and threw, like a ship is fully equipped, nothing lacking.  Artios!  not thoroughly.  Look it up, you could say:
     (threwly)  people miss that little word and they miss the real meaning.

    So you are right the Word of God is the the accurate Word,  without error.
    God breathed.
    Men of old just took it down as God gave it to them.  Now where people get
    confused is by adding their own interpretation, which is not to be done.
    Scripture is interpreted in the context, the verse, or first usuage.  Not for any private interpretation. 
    Each of us have our own style of writing, and command of the language.  That
    explains the difference of how the books of the Bible sound when you are reading them.  David sounded poetic, Paul sounded rough, Peter smooth, John eloquent, and on and on.  The original text had no error, but must be researched with a concordance because of the different meaning of words, etc.
    Greek, Hebrew, English, Arabic, it can seem difficult but really God’s word fits like a hand in a glove.  We are to rightly devide the Word of Truth, studying to show ourselves approved of God  &  pay attention to the dispensations.  So people miss it, why it’s hid in a mystery only meant for the believer to understand and know.  Otherwise it is foolishness to the fools.  (heathen)

  • simon

    I like the bit about god breathing… never imagined him with lungs… interesting

  • Charles

    It’s put into human terms that WE can understand. The same as Revelations.
    God in the OT, was presented as things like Firey Bush, because God the Creator, cannot be physically in the presence of sin, or his VERY presence would “nuke” it.

    God breathed life into Adam. Literally? No, he didn’t create a corpse and give it mouth to mouth. God speaks, it is done. Faith in God, gives US “super” powers as promised by Jesus. Jesus said if you have 100% faith in God, you could tell a  mountain to move and it would. Liberal scholars would call that a metaphor, I would not. Because you have a better (odds) chance of winning the lotto 10 times in a row, than any human EVER have 100% faith. I WISH I COULD! But obviously, as a human with doubt of any kind, that little black spot in our heart and mind that doubt surrounds leave a teeny weeny(lol) spot for “what if”. I do believe that the “Greats or Apostles” had distinctivly high degrees of faith, which is why they were granted oratory skills, etc..It has been told to me that Peter was a foul mouth “jerk” before following Christ. That if there were a book of profane words, Peter knew em all. Some were thieves, etc…

    Ask yourself this: The rich dude, that asked Jesus “How can I guarantee my spot next to you in Heaven?” and Christ replied “Simple, give away all of your wealth and possessions to the poor and follow me.” Well he was rich as crap, and walked away sad. That one, what would he have received HAD he done just that? Christ then said something like: It would be easier to put a camel through the eye of a needle, than for a wealthy man to get into the Kingdom of my Father.

    That’s doesn’t mean rich peeps cant get into Heaven, however, Rich peeps that covet money and possessions more than their eternal soul, cannot.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Simon, it’s a ‘figure of speech,’  lot of those in God’s Word too.  Yea, and God said: it’s done.  God had to explain himself in the word in human terms so we could relate.   E.W. Bullinger  Figures of Speech in the Bible will keep you busy until the kingdom come, clearly explains the meanings and usage. 

  • simon

    ok.. so we can’t take it literally. God breathed… but didn’t really breathe…

    this is an interesting point: Carolyne says (above) Now where people get
    confused is by adding their own interpretation, which is not to be done.

    you now presume to interpret jesus’ words. He quite clearly and unequivocally says a rich man cannot go to heaven.
    you then have to interpret this as “That’s doesn’t mean rich peeps cant get into Heaven, however, Rich peeps that covet money and possessions more than their eternal soul, cannot.”

    So even when jesus says something totally clear and simple, you cannot accept it, and twist it to mean what you want.
    He said a rich man cannot enter heaven… you contradict him and say a rich man can….

    so what is the point? jesus preached love and peace, yet christians feel quite justified in launching wars.

    basically believe what you want seems to be the way things work. Doesn’t matter how clear the words of jesus are…. interpret them the way you want… you can even justify killing and torturing in the name of christ.

    It’s just a bloody joke. 

  • Tonto (USA)

    Charles, There is some controversy about whether Mary Magdalene was an apostle or not, or maybe even Jesus’ wife.  He kissed her on the lips….often I’ve heard and that’s recorded.  There are places on the web where the “Gospel of Mary Magdalene” is available, so the question in kinda still in play.  The Magdalene was a whore story came out much later when the “Church” was trying to empower the priesthood @ 600ad. .  That’s what I’ve read anyway.  Have you encountered any of that too?  Yeah, I kinda debunked the Christ/reincarnation thing with whatever I was unable to scare up, but thanks for confirmation.

  • Charles

    Simon, you are digging instead of listening. Listen to the words….
    Simon, Jesus is the son of God the Father…

    How can I put this:
    When speaking of God the Father, I mean the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They were Jews…Throughout the OT, God was pretty fedup with the waste of life and couldn’t fathom(my words) the human beings NOT following him…So he sent someone to “walk a mile in human shoes” to find out WHY we(humans) didn’t. That was Jesus Christ, his Son. Jesus’ attitude and belief system was different from God the Fathers, because Jesus in fact “Walked a mile in human shoes”…THAT was the point of him being here!!! Before Christ dying, no “mongrel” or “non-jew” could get into Heaven, but since we(mongrels or non-jews) can! Why? Because Christ at the moment of his death, the point when God the Father turned his back on him, Christ accepted ALL sin from ALL peeps past, present and future into his life/body, and his father(GOD) couldn’t stand the sight of him(filled with sin) which led to Jesus saying before death “Why hath thou forsaken me…” Do you REALIZE how powerful and sad that is? To be born with God in your “ear”, Angels at your “back” and in an instant lose all of it???? THAT is where rumors began that Christ died of a broken heart!

    Basically? View the words through the love of God’s eyes, and you will get them. If you do not, keep workin on the relationship with God and you will!

    I contradict nothing, you are inferring. He said “Verrily, ” that means “it’s ALMOST impossible”.  So logically it is meant that as long as the Rich love their money and possessions more than their soul, it is impossible to get into Heaven!” Therefore: “The meek shall inherit the Earth.”

    Simon, seriously, playing Devils Advocate with the word of God(real), won’t work…I cannot be defeated, because Gods word is true. My saviour washed the feet of a sinner to prove a point…He HUMBLED HIMSELF before God the Father.
    When tempted for 40 days n nights, he quoted SCRIPTURE to Satan, get it?

    You are saying I “presume” to interpret scripture…Simon, anyone with Christ in their heart reads it the same as I do :)

  • Charles

    Tonto, there is no Gospel of Mary, because Mary was never Jesus’ Apostle. Anything stating otherwise, is a lie. The Roman Soldier that had more faith in Christ to “save” his son, more than any jew! Doesn’t have “Gospels”…He affected Christ the most out of all, because he was a “mongrel”. Read the Bible for the result in that faith, it was good! He had SOOOOO much faith, he stated to Jesus he didn’t even have to GO to his house to save his, just speak it and it would be done. THAT WAS A ROMAN SOLDIER, NOT A JEW!!! Do you have any idea how much that probably FLOORED Jesus?!?!?! A Friggin ROMAN SOLDIER having that much faith in a “jewish person”!!?!?!?!?

  • simon

    OK charles well thank you for taking the time to reply.

    I am not a christian, so obviously I don’t believe any of it.

    However, what i can’t understand is you do believe jesus was god’s son. then he should be an example to all christians. And christ never preached violence in form. While his country was occupied he NEVER supported even the slightest violent resistence.

    So to follow the path of the prince of peace one should be meek, compassionate, loving and most of all forgiving.

    And my problem is people who keep going on about being christians (blair and Bush for example) lauch wars, drop bombs, kill and torture.

    So by my reckoning, , they are not christians. you can call yourself a christian, but that doesn’t mean you are one. Forgiveness is the key to everything in my view (non christian view obviously)
    …. something that seems to be in very short supply in the christians I run into.

  • aisha

    Simon sez “forgiveness … something that seems to be in very short supply in the Christians I run into”  If you are an antagonistic asshole to them, they might not feel too forgiving.

  • aisha

    I see from the posts of others, trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to have a discussion with a muslim. Neither of you will listen and seem to feel the need to be superior to everyone.

  • Charles

    Christ never had a country Simon. Yes Christ DID preach violence, I said that earlier, in regards to divorce and adultry and see Book of Revelations. Jesus was God the Fathers will, not mine, so I cannot answer his thoughts. God the Father DID believe in war, period. You are being obnoxious as to Christ’ teachings. You are in essence attempting to bastardize my beliefs…how cute. I find that on atheists web sites and terrorsts websites, that’s cute. Son, and you are, I am a Christian. Kid, and you are one compared to me, not only have I learned forgiveness, I have loved it….If you knew my past, you would see that. Since you seem to want to PRESUME instead of investigating, you are ASSuming I do not forgive.I have been SHOT and STABBED in my life, fought an ex in court that had a lawyer and I did not, but still won custody of our kids…Do not PRESUME to ASSume I cannot forgive or have not…She owes me 12 THOUSAND dollars in back child support, but I do not hold a grudge. As I speak, they sleep with her on visitation I allowed out of love and forgiveness. Get it?

    Wars are ok if you are combating enemies of God the father…Get it? If you doubt, I recycle Christ’ words in regards to divorce and adultry…..Get it now?

  • simon

    … Sorry i obviously misunderstood the words of jesus… so charles.. jesus did preach violence, he did say war is ok.. and Aisha you don’t have to forgive antagonistic assholes.

    wow… i really don’t recognise this as the christianity I was taught

  • simon

    one other thing… if you look at my posts, i am not being antogonistic, or nasty… i am genuinely asking questions about bits of christianity i don’t understand, and i get met with aggression and abuse… 
    typical christian response… you have made my point for me.

  • simon

    .. by the way, can anyone actually quote the line where jesus said war is ok?..violence is ok???…. I can’t find it.

  • simon

    … by the way on the subject of “presuming” you seem to be presuming i am an atheist… i am not

  • simon

    And Aishs having a discussion with you is like talking to an immam. I Question your beliefs and you become agressive, insulting.

  • aisha

    Simon – the last 2 posts with the name Aisha were not from me.

  • jennyjen

     it is human nature to fight. It doesn’t have to be preached, just preached against. Nor does it have to be associated with any religion, the people fighting pull religion into it and fight over it.  They need justification.  The flaw is in humans not the religion.

  • simon

    …Exactly jennyjen, that really is my point.  I am not a christian, but I am a fan of the teachings of Jesus. I have studied the words of jesus, and find only love compassion and peace.. an example to everyone.
    Charles seems to think that the teaching of christ justifies war and violence, although as yet he has not been able to quote one of jesus’ teachings that backs up his point… I have never found jesus saying any such thing… I will wait for charles to come up with the words of jesus that support violence and war… I will be waiting a long time methinks.

    sorry aisha… no offence.. i guess you have a popular name.

  • Charles

    Simon, you are assuming a lot…Jesus tells us to obey His Fathers laws. We are also told to obey MANS laws. What you speak/spoke of in regards to invading countries falls under MANS and God the Fathers. God did not stand by and allow BS to occur, he took action. Honestly bro, simply look at the REAL actions of all and compare. Not what a liberal like Murtha says happened, but REAL actions. Our enemy is 10 fold more worse to innocents and prisoners, then ourselves. It is OUR duty to rectify that.

    Instead of peeps clouding their allegience beliefs to the Democrats or Republican party, they might actually try thinking for themselves. If ANY real whiner Democrat or Republican had actually STUDIED Iraq(for example), through various sources, the BADS far outweigh the GOODS.

    My friend, I would give my life to protect a fellow human from enduring even 1 minute of a torture room/rape room or onslaught from a crazy Islamo-Facist. I as a human being that loves Jesus views it this way: If Christ can be tortured for almost an hour, then legs broken, nailed to a cross, crown of thorns et al….For ME?!?!? Without whining or complaining??? Hell the DUTY of any self-respecting Christian is to lay down there lives for saving Friend, Family and all INNOCENTS. 

    Simon, torture to you or the democrats, is not torture to me. I myself have been waterboarded, it’s not that big of a deal.(Oddly enough it was a Frat thing :) Mine was for 15 mins, I gave up only because I had to urinate and didn’t wish my idiots to snap a Polaroid of me wetting myself. It’s an irritating thing, not a painful thing.

    Simon, be aware that the Evils in this world require tit for tat or pre-emptiveness. Make no bones about it. I know for a fact there were WMD’s, so I have no problems with the actions done. I lost 4 friends over there, 2 in the first one. And I stand by the actions. I believe Clinton SHOULD have been impeached and Clinton back in the 70′s AGREED. I also believe that Bush lied to Conservatives about BEING Conservative and should be removed from the Republican party for it. I believe if there is ANYTHING of the sort in any way shape or form that Dick Cheney did “nefariously” that helped an old friend/s financially, HE should be tried in a court of law. I believe that Obama stole the nomination from Hillary Clinton. I believe Hillary Clinton should be President, and neither Obama nor McCain. And I am an ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE that thinks Reagan was too liberal in areas.

    I believe that God wants me to stop swearing so much, smoking, drinking….

    Just a few of well rounded beliefs. I am ME, and I do not speak for all Christians. I speak for myself. I believe that God uses us to affect others.
    either in a good or a bad way, it varies. Is it possible for God to use us
    to do bad on others? Yes. Why? Because he believes those peeps that are
    being harmed, are worth changing and saving. Jesus said if he had 100 believers and 1 left, he would leave the remaining 99 to go after the 1 that
    left.

    Perspective(not to prattle on): Saddam Hussein had free choice, he chose
    what he chose. Iran has the same, as does Russia and everyone. If Russia
    CHOOSES to support Iran, then let them. Then comes:

    FIAT JUSTITIA RUAT CAELUM

    If a people that are innocent of their leaders mess, allow the leaders
    to continually rule with an iron fist, cause trouble internationally,
    torture, etc….And do nothing to stop them…They get what they get.
    The blood of innocents in places like Iraq, is on its citizens for doing
    nothing to stop the mess that was there. Why? No matter HOW many
    are in the military, the #’s of the citizens were 4-8x higher. Most of
    their military gave up…Why did it take an invasion to do that?

    Instead of asking the USA why we did what we did, ask the Iraqi’s
    why they did nothing.

    Simon, never stop asking questions like you are asking, God loves it!
    You might be a test for me, who knows?

  • Charles

    Unless you can stand here today, and say you can forgive someone for doing something to you or a family member that hurt you, don’t generalize Christians.
    I can and HAVE forgiven many deep stab wounds to my heart from friends, loved ones, etc….It is possible to forgive ANYONE for ANYTHING, it just
    takes faith and a willingness to acknowledge the hate you are feeling inside
    is a BAD and WRONG feeling. The WORST hurt I felt, took me a year of fasting
    and praying, but I forgave in the end. I also lost over 90lbs! LoL! I hold no
    animosity or anger in my heart or head for that person, only pity now.

  • Charles

    Sorry Simon, I read for latest, to oldest in emails.
    Then you were taught about Christianity wrong. Doubt me? Pick up the
    Bible and read it yourself.

    If yer posting to someone specific, include their name plz.

  • Charles

    Simon, any Christian that attacks a legit(that’s you) questioner
    of our faith, needs to check themselves. You are not in the
    wrong for questioning. As I posted before, God LOVES when
    peeps ask questions to his followers!! They apparently either
    do not read the bible or forgot that. Ask Away bro!!

  • Charles

    Simon, you said: Can anyone quote the line…violence, etc… is ok:

    Can you quote the line that says a Country founded on the Christian
    God(USA) cannot defend itself or its interests against pagans, non-
    believers or outright killers??? Yes that is a serious question and not
    a smartass one.

  • Charles

    Simon, I have posted it. Are you not reading?  Tell me one line
    in ANY of Jesus Christ’s words that negated ANYTHING his FAther
    spoke of in regards to violence? If he didn’t, then it is still law. Get
    it?

    Easy, Jesus negated writs of divorce by Moses, and explained. That
    became(Jesus’ version) the NEW law…Like others. But the last time
    I checked, Christ never uttered one word negating MOST of what the
    God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob spoke. Pick something, it doesn’t
    matter…If Jesus did not NEGATE it, then it IS in effect. Example?
    Homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord thy God, don’t do it!
    Read the penalty.

    If Christ negated ALL of the prior laws made by God the Father, he
    would not have mentioned specific ones.

    And if you have trully studied ALL of Christ, then that would include
    Revelations.

    You seriously, act as tho a Christian should sit by and do nothing
    while the world goes to hell by facists and dictators and crazy
    bombers…That’s illogical. To do nothing would be lazy. Jesus
    Christ was on this Earth for 1 reason, to die on the cross for
    EVERYONES sins, so that ALL may have a chance to reside by
    His Father, in the Kingdom of Heaven. WITHOUT that, only Jews
    could.

  • simon

    Thank you for that charles, I agree with many things you say. Yes your enemies are worse than you ( i don’t think you are too bad! :) )

    I agree that iraq was a terrible place, under that monster Saddam. Although unlike you I believe the WMB was from the begining a cynical ploy to invade a country with the second largest supply of oil outside Saudi Arabia.

    the reasons the iraqis did nothing, was because Saddam whas a psycopathic maniac with a massive internal security system. Just like Stalin… anyone… absolutely anyone who said anything, would be killed.

    Actually after the first gulf war. Bush senior, encouraged the iraqis to rebel. They did, the kurds rose up, the marsh arabs rose up. Sadam turned the republican guard on them, 80,000 people were killed by the security services. And what did we do while these people rose up?… we sat with arms folded and watched as they were slaughtered. Possibly the most shameful period in our recent history. In answer to your question, the iraqis did try and do something. After encouraging them bush senior just watched as they were slaughtered.

    I think blaming simple iraqi peasants, for allowing saddam to do what he did, is a silly argument. They really had no choice… he had the weapons, the secret police. The entire government was made up of his direct family, or members of his tribe. You can’t really blame normal iraqis for saddam.

    Having just seen a video of chechens beheading russian soldiers, I have to agree with you some belief systems need confronting sternly.

    But being an admirer of the teachings of jesus, although not a christian. Can you quote one speech, or even one line where he advocates violence?… I am not trying to provoke you, i really am asking in all seriousness.

    cheers bro

    It is interesting to note there are two clips on u tube, one is of Mcain saying “if we can secure our energy needs, then we wont have to send our boys abroad to die”… ie wer’e in iraq for the oil. There is another clip of Sarah Palin saing the same thing. 

    But we can disagree about the motives behind invading Iraq, however we can agree getting rid of Saddam was a good thing.

    On the subject of torture… yes we disagree. Waterboarding is torture. There is no doubt about that. Bush has circumvented the Geneva convention, creating a whole new type of prisoner “enemy combatant. 

    After the second world war, the allies held the Nuremberg trials. During those trials 8 japanese officers were put to death for waterboarding, captured americans. Presumably as you think waterboarding isn’t that bad, you would agree that those officers should be posthumously pardoned?

    Listen chris, we are supposed to be the good guys, we are supposed to represent democracy, human rights, a beacon to the world if you like.

    By abusing other people we completely lose our moral authority. We lose our integrity, and everything else we are supposed to stand for. torture is not the way we do things… waterboarding, should make us all ashamed. 

  • simon

    Hi charles… sorry i just read your other posts (i’m 8 hours ahead of you guys)

    On the point about forgiveness… we agree… if someone hurt my family, i would find it very hard perhaps impossible to forgive, but esentially that would be my failing… it is the way to go, but not always easy, and maybe sometimes impossible. In the end though, not forgiving is the wrong way to go. But I am not perfect in any way. I can say this, but may not always be able to practice what i preach.

    On the subject of violence. I was reffering specifically to the words of jesus. Oh yes i know the bible (esp the old testament) is full of blood and thunder, and god’s revenge, and gods punishment.

    Personally, the only thing that chimes with me in the bible is the life and words of Christ. That is why I limited my question to his words. To be honest i am an admirer of jesus… but not necessarily the rest of the bible. That is why I ask you specifically about Christ… i.e did he EVER preach violence of any sort?… 

    The connection I feel to christianity, is through christ, not the rest of the book.
    I am also very interested in Buddhism, and the words of the buddha, are in many ways a parallet to christs. The buddha said really our main aim in life should be to purify our minds of all traces of the “defilements”… ie hate sensual desire, aversion, ignorance. 

    That is really to say, our job is to rid ourselves of all (what christians would call) evil. In our own minds and hearts. we should treat all people equally, and love everyone equally despite their faults. we are taught to imagine that everyone in the world has at some time been our mother or child.

    Now i’m not expecting you to accept any of that, but the idea of boundless love for all beings, is something I also see in christ’s teachings.

    Having said that, if someone attacked my mother, I, with all the love in the world, would break their face.

    So i wouldn’t rule out self defence. But apart from that violence is out of bounds for me.

    There is no doubt we have a problem with the moslem ideology. But Newton taught every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

    The germans bombed england in the war, it didn’t make us crumble, we fought back even more ferociously. The same thing after 9/11 for us.

    But the Buddha said “hatred cannot overcome hatred, only love can overercome hatered… this is the eternal law.

    I agree with that, sometimes it pays to stop fighting “enemies”.. and try talking and understanding. Bombing and fighting people just radicalises them (as in the two examples given above) 

  • Charles

    Already did Simon.

    No Simon, the japs you mentioned that were on trial should not be awarded. Why? Well let me see, what torture techniques did the Japanese Regime use as a whole? Let me see, they cut babies out of bellies in China, Raped, Pulled fingernails off of fingers, burned with candles genitalia, shall I go on?????

    I’m sorry, what were gas prices under Bush 1? 78 cents a gallon. When we left and ignored, what happened? They rose to $4.50/gal….Since the fight for the White House with an alleged Muslim(Obama)???? Wow, the gas prices have steadily decreased….Hmmm, what was that about oil?????

    I’m sorry, what video on youtube? You supposedly quoted it, but didnt give me the link, why?

    Simon, server 4 years, then you and me can talk about Iraq. K?

  • Charles

    //*Personally, the only thing that chimes with me in the bible is the life and words of Christ. That is why I limited my question to his words. To be honest i am an admirer of jesus… but not necessarily the rest of the bible. That is why I ask you specifically about Christ… i.e did he EVER preach violence of any sort?…*///
    Your words above Simon. Again, read my prior post, you cannot take The Son, without The Father. It doesn’t work that way. But nice try :)
     

    //*The connection I feel to christianity, is through christ, not the rest of the book.
    I am also very interested in Buddhism, and the words of the buddha, are in many ways a parallet to christs. The buddha said really our main aim in life should be to purify our minds of all traces of the “defilements”… ie hate sensual desire, aversion, ignorance. *//

    I am not hindered by your religious dilemma of non-belief in one God, you are. That is your war to fight my friend.
     

    //*That is really to say, our job is to rid ourselves of all (what christians would call) evil. In our own minds and hearts. we should treat all people equally, and love everyone equally despite their faults. we are taught to imagine that everyone in the world has at some time been our mother or child.
    //*
    That would be silly, then our enemies would walk all over us. See, that’s the problem with not picking a side, Simon…In the middle, you get run over by
    both sides.

     
    //*INow i’m not expecting you to accept any of that, but the idea of boundless love for all beings, is something I also see in christ’s teachings.
    //*
    Then your failure to read the Christian Bible as a whole, is your failure, not mine.

    Having said that, if someone attacked my mother, I, with all the love in the world, would break their face.

    So i wouldn’t rule out self defence. But apart from that violence is out of bounds for me.

    There is no doubt we have a problem with the moslem ideology. But Newton taught every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

    The germans bombed england in the war, it didn’t make us crumble, we fought back even more ferociously. The same thing after 9/11 for us.

    But the Buddha said “hatred cannot overcome hatred, only love can overercome hatered… this is the eternal law.

    I agree with that, sometimes it pays to stop fighting “enemies”.. and try talking and understanding. Bombing and fighting people just radicalises them (as in the two examples given above) 
     
    //*
    I’m sorry, Simon…buddha is an idol of a false religion. Your quoting him to me, means nothing to me. I understand the USA enemies, they live by the sword…Thus, they must die by it. It’s quite logical actually. If someone right
    now murdered my mother, I would ask GOD to punish them, and would
    move on. There’s a difference between personal and country , get it? Psalm
    35 tells us of that. If you do not understand 35, read 69 or 109.

    I do understand you are attempting to limit the conversation to Christ words
    only, and that is flawed. Because Christ spoke with authority, see? So
    logically, if he counter-mands certain laws of the OT and not ALL, then
    logically the ones he didn’t usurp, are still laws…Including Dissing God’s
    word. Get it? So to answer your question, Jesus spoke proudly of violence
    and revenge and defense, by PROXY….

  • simon

    ….. the point about the japanese officers was that they were put to death for waterboarding… something you think is ok to do.

    And no one has clean hands when it comes to bayonetting babies. the british did it in india and Africa, and the americans did it in the Mai Lai massacre. 

    I am not defending the actions of the japanese (who the hell would?) the point i was making was specifically reffering to waterboarding which i (and the nuremberg trials) defined as torture. The Geneva convention was designed, and very carefully worded to stop anyone torturing… Bush side-stepped it. Also of course using “extraordinary rendition”… getting other countries (egypt mainly) to torture for us.

    I am completely against torture… you are not. we will have to differ on this.

    gas prices have gone up world wide.. not just for you guys. And i also don’t think Obama is a moslem… I have no doubt about that. I have never heard of a moslem buying a dog for his daughters.

    I will look up the u tube link.. it will take a bit of trawling but i will find it.

    Why should i do 4 years in iraq? I disagree with that war, and feel sorry for any of the poor bastards that get sent there.

  • Charles

    Simon, if my posts are going to be edited or held for viewing b4 posting, delete me now please….That’s just outright gay.

  • Charles

    Simon, come now…Mai Lai, produced 1 conviction of 4 years, come on now.
    And no offense, because you are Admin I will word my words carefully and not the way I want to, when you refer to my friends as “bastards” for serving in Iraq…Why? Then you can get a clue what WE are doing there.

    Wow, now my posts are being supervised, WOW!

  • simon

    … what do you mean I am Admin?… what does that mean?

    the word bastard i think you have misunderstood. I am Welsh and our language may not always gel the expression “poor bastard” is not a rude one, on the contrary it expresses sympaythy.

    For example if i said someone i know just got beaten half to death by someone with a metal bar. The person i am talking to might say “poor bastard”. and i would say yes.

    So please don’t misunderstand that… i certainly meant no disrepect for the lads out there… it was an expression of sympathy… just a linguistic difference… a bit like “I’m smoking a fag at the moment”

    oh and here is the link…
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c0GWoxbMs1k&feature=related

  • simon

    …. I am not Admin… whatever that is, 
    i am actually enjoying our discussion, although we come from totally different points of view. But it is a really good thing that people who disagee so strongly can discuss things in a civilised manner, and exchange ideas rather than personal insults.

    I took it from your last post that you were holding back because i am admin (what the hell does that mean?)… You don’t have to hold back, but at the same time there is no need for abuse!

  • simon

    charles… what are you talking about… editing posts… posts being supervised?… who is doing this? and why do you think i am Admin?… have i been promoted without my knowledge?… where are you getting this information?

  • simon

    Bloody hell… i never would have thought it, sarah palin, and mcain agree with me.
    the iraq war is a war for oil….

    or maybe they are BOTH wrong ha ha!

  • simon

    Wow my posts are now awaiting moderation! Thats amazing!… what have i said?
    Looks like we have been naughty boys charles!…. wonder what we have said?

    quoting the Buddhas teachings on universal love…  that probably swung it :)

  • Storm-Rider

    Simon: “I am not defending the actions of the japanese (who the hell would?) the point i was making was specifically reffering to waterboarding which i (and the nuremberg trials) defined as torture. The Geneva convention was designed, and very carefully worded to stop anyone torturing… Bush side-stepped it.”

    Waterboarding is not torture because it leaves all body parts and body functions intact. Real torture is gouging out of eyes, amputating hands, feet, genitals, etc. Real torture is dragging a person behind a car with a chain, setting them on fire, piercing their bodies with red-hot screwdrivers, etc. etc. etc. This is something that even my children understand perfectly; why is it that an adult like you can’t? The answer is that this is not a matter of intelligence, it is a matter of wisdom; and there you fail the test – at least on this point.

    “War is evil, but it is often the lesser evil.”  George Orwell
     
    “We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”  George Orwell

    “We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.”  George Orwell

    “There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them.”  George Orwell
     

  • Storm-Rider

    Simon, you need some remedial education on torture; but how does one obtain remedial wisdom?

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=20919

  • CM

    “I have never heard of a moslem buying a dog for his daughters.” — lol, simon. I will never stop laughing about the dog references.

  • aisha

    Simon, are you saying that Jesus never got angry or is that not part of the discussion?  I have been gone and missed a few posts and my gosh there have been some long ones while I have been gone, but none from Omar.

  • simon

    storm rider. I checked your link, what it basically says is that al kaida do bloody awful, inuman things to prisoners.. they do terrible torture. Yes they do… they are completely mad. They and their sympathisers are monsters… we agree on that. There is no need even to debate that. 

    The completely seperate question of waterboarding…. I am making two points ont that:
    I. that it was defined as torture during the Nuremberg trials, and 8 japanese officers were put to death for doing it…. if it is NOT torture then they really deserve a pothumous pardon. I am not supporting the japanese, I am simply saying if people have been hung for doing something that America now does … and sees nothing wrong with…  then there has been a miscarriage of justice 

    2 is waterboarding torture?… well the Nuremberg trials (presided over by the allies) said it was. The geneva convention thinks it is… but only applies to prisoners of war. The term “enemy combatant” was INVENTED by the bush administration. they invented it so as to avoid having to call the captured men prisoners of war. thus side stepping (apparently) the Geneva convention. Guantanamo bay was placed in Cuba (nice to see you guys dealing with cuba again!) So as not to be on American soil, and thus not be under American judicial influence…. Cool now we can do what the fuck we like to these guys!

    Personally, I think waterboarding is torture, i think if it ever comes to court there will be people in this administration will be found guilty.

    We have a different point of view…. I am pro American, pro democracy, pro human rights, pro israel. I am completely opposed to Islamic ideology and think it needs to be confronted… that is how i found this website.

    I think the values of freedom, democracy and justice that America really does represent, and I believe it does represent those qualites. Has not been served well by the present administration. By throwing the rule book out, and abusing people (whether innocent or guilty). Is shameful. It completely undermines our moral authority….just my point of view.

    aisha (is this the right aisa?)… no I am not saying jesus never got angry.. he clearly did in the temple with the money lenders. I was simply asking the question “did jesus ever preach violence, or fighting”… I don’t think he did… and if he did, could someone give me a quote cos i can’t find one.

    CM.. nice to see you back mate!  

  • simon
  • Storm-Rider

    Simon,

    Waterboarding is not torture or abuse if it is reserved for our enemies in war; those who have demonstrated actual physical violence against our life and our other God-given human rights – we both know what real torture is. Waterboarding is a means of defending our nation, our families and our lives; and the failure to defend life and human liberty is not only cowardly, it is immoral. Your use of lies such as “Cool now we can do what the fuck we like to these guys!” only confirms that you are anti-American; and your comments here give aid and comfort to our violent, totalitarian enemies. Lying in regards to a nation engaged in just war, i.e.: the defense of life and liberty is evil; it becomes propaganda of great use to our enemies. If you do this knowingly, then you are our enemy; if you do it out of ignorance or moral confusion, it is still a grave mistake which has the effect of promoting Islamic Totalitarianism.
     
     
    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=20919

    Some (but not enough) Japanese officers were put to death for real torture and for war-crime murder, not for waterboarding. If waterboarding results in loss of limb or organ, or in death; then it is no longer just waterboarding, it becomes real torture or murder. You are in need of some remedial education in regard to the war crimes and real torture of the Japanese during World War II. I don’t have a dispassionate interest here; my father fought against them at the battle of Saipan, and he witnessed their inhuman brutality. Compared to my father who fought these animals, you are a hyper-complaining child; and I am disgusted by your lies and uninformed opinions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

    By the way, the Nuremburg trials had nothing to do with the Japanese – get your facts straight.  “The Nuremberg Trials were a series of trials most notable for the prosecution of prominent members of the political, military, and economic leadership of Nazi Germany.”
     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
     
     

  • simon

    “most notable for the prosecution of prominent members of the (blah blah) Nazi Germany”— it says most notable… so?

    .. ok so we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Me and I would guess most of Europe think it is torture, a few people on this forum disagree… or possibly a large part of your country would agree… possibly mine as well – i hope not.

    either way we seem to have a different opinion on that one. 

    and as for anti american… that is completely not true. I fucking love america… i just don’t like your paticular view of what it is to be American.  I have been to your wonderful country several times. I spent six months working as an illegal in florida (sorry).

    you are completely wrong mate. It is just that we have radically different cultural perspectives.

    i would also have to remind you that you don’t speak for your country exclusively.  Im sure i could find very many people in your own country who would completely be horrified by your views. – Pinko liberal scum no doubt

  • Charles

    I speak for myself, never claimed to speak for anyone else. And I doubt seriously if the majority of whiners about “torture” have ever had it done
    to them, so it honestly doesn’t really matter of their opinion. I have, and
    to prove a point, my wife agreed to do it as well. Give ya the results
    tomorrow.

  • Charles

    Storm he was questioning how (me) or peeps like (Bush)
    can say we are Christians and do what we do(the war
    and me supporting it and waterboarding.) That is all.

    It was/is a legit question of a Christian, of which I am
    and President Bush says he is as well.  Course, Bill Clinton
    says he is too :) (sic) sorry, that was mean spirited.

  • Charles

    Simon, you’re hearing aid was turned off. She didn’t say that
    as a statement, it was a statement in response to the claims
    of it being over oil…”With Alaskas oil blah blah, we better
    not be at war over oil.”

  • Charles

    Simon, I think it is from us just posting a lot
    in a short period of time. It’s automatic.

  • simon

    thank you charles… i think you have summed it up perfectly. I wish I could be so succinct.

    … but also as someone who while not christian, has the greatest and highest regard for the person, the message, and the qualities of Christ.

    And in that light, I do have to ask you Charles, because i am a bit confused on this whole christianity. Is there any thing christ ever said that condoned violence – of any kind against another person…. anywher… ever? 
    how many quhotes can you give me?  

  • Charles

    Simon,
    You are playing semantics and ignoring my statements. By default
    yes he has, since God the Father did and he never rebuked it.  What
    do you think plagues, locusts, and a huge sword are? For a tea
    party?

    FYI, he couldn’t be violent or think violence as a human, that would
    have proven Lucifer right. Mr Simon, I am not Christ, nor is anyone
    else on the planet. None of us are perfect like he was. So your question
    of violence or preaching of it by Him, is moot.

    I say again: Psalm 35, 69, 109. Read em, that’s not David asking God
    to give his enemies a time out. That’s David asking his loving and
    vengeful God for His help. God The Avenger!

    Not only should we have not stopped at Iraq, we should’ve taken Iran
    as well…Then decimated Syria for pick a reason <insert here>, there
    are plenty to choose from.

    War for oil, lol! We get 75% of our oil from Canada and Mexico, feel free
    to check it out @ CIA.GOV <—It’s there. Yes, we are going to spend
    billions of dollars for what amounts to 10% from Iraq. LOL!

  • simon

    … ok charles… great, so. The first… factual (not semantic) point

    the only time jesus preached violence was when he said nothing. By not saying anything, he was condoning violence.

    O.k. now I see how some of this could fit together. He never, ever, ever condoned violence of any kind. But when silent… then anything previously said in the old testament applied.

    but when Christ did speak, he spoke about humility, compassion, forgiveness, gentleness and most importantly love. 

    So when he spoke about “let him without sin throw the first stone” 
    but when he became silent on the subjece he was condonin the stoning of adulterers.

    what a head fuck!… i’ll have to look at the rest of your post… I just need some time to digest that last bit.

  • simon

    it does sound crazy… but that is what you are saying

  • Chris

    Simon,

       Waterboarding was used only a few times and it saved lives. It is war and no one wins a war by being nice.
  • simon

    … so that’s a vote for waterboarding… it’s not so bad… little more than a frat game so i’ve been told.

    … Nice to know what you guys find acceptable.

    I can only say i hope a court one day will find someone guilty for this. It’s a slim hope, but maybe one day.

    I guess I’m just disappointed

  • Chris

    Don’t take up arms against Coalition troops and you do not have to be worried about being waterboarded.

  • Storm-Rider

    Simon,

    Any so-called court which finds self-defense to be a crime is a criminal court. History is full of criminal courts which themselves became the enemies of sacred human rights.

    “Law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.”  Thomas Jefferson

    One thing you should understand, America is the embodiment of European rejection. We rejected your totalitarian monarchies. We rejected your totalitarian fascist dictatorships. We rejected your communist dictatorships. The problem with Europeans, and I realize there are exceptions, is that you have never overcome the toxic societal and political sequelae of the Roman Empire. To this day Europeans, like moths to a flame, gravitate toward worship of the all-powerful State – usually embodied in a “great leader” or in a socialist oligarchy of some sort. Your affinity toward the United Nations is also a sign of misguided European sociology and politics. The UN is corrupt; it is corrupted by totalitarian member states; and here Europe, to its shame, has not stood up for the sacred human rights of mankind. Moral truth, i.e.: the knowledge of right and wrong, does not emanate from the United Nations.
    “All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.”  Thomas Jefferson
     

    “The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.”    Thomas Jefferson
     

  • simon

    …. well thats beutiful… hard to disagree with.

     We rejected your totalitarian monarchies. We rejected your totalitarian fascist dictatorships. We rejected your communist dictatorships….and we slaughtered every native american we could find… we wiped out entire nations, broke every treaty we ever signed….  while dragging slaves behind us

    for goodness sake… get over yourself!…. you think you are so bloody perfect. No country is perfect…. no people are perfect…. I think there may be a bit of  a whiff of the Rome Empire about some of the ways you guys behave.

    But I still think you are great…… like a younger, bigger brother :)

     

  • Charles

    Mr Simon, you are speaking as a smartass. It’s unbecoming of your liberal
    haughty nature. Ahhh, so YOU personally believe that Christ’s beliefs were
    ALL spoken of, and if he did not speak it, it was ok to do??? Ok, he never
    said NOT to invade a country, so it must be ok. Right ??? I am using YOUR
    flawless(or flawed?) logic…Right? He never said “It’s bad to molest children”
    so using YOUR logic, it is ok. He never said “DO NOT RAPE”, so using
    YOUR logic, it must be ok. Get it ???? Do not presume to barb me on
    MY beliefs, non-Christian. I will own you.

    Follow YOURS and leave mine to the expert: Me.

    BTW, Christ never said we couldn’t or shouldn’t torture animals,
    cut down trees, rape the planet, shit on left handed people,
    execute gays, burn down book stores….Does that means since he
    didn’t PREACH it, it is ok to do???? Of course, using YOUR logic.

  • Storm-Rider

    Simon: “and we slaughtered every native american we could find… we wiped out entire nations, broke every treaty we ever signed….  while dragging slaves behind us”

    No, Simon, our ancestors (Europeans in the beginning) fought a series of wars with American Indians; and both sides broke treaties. To say that our ancestors “slaughtered every native American we could find” is a lie. Your tendency to lie about the United States has not gone un-noticed. It was Europeans who invented the trans-Atlantic slave trade for profit, and who brought the evil of human slavery to North and South America. Our ancestors, during our Civil War, paid in blood to abolish that evil which began with European slave-traders.

    Not being an American is no excuse for ignorance of American history. The Indian wars in America were in fact initiated in 1609 with the murder of John Ratcliffe who was leader of the Jamestown settlement, which was established two years earlier in 1607. Conflict between the settlers and Indians became outright war in 1622 with the Jamestown massacre where 347 settlers were slaughtered in an act of genocide. Almost one third of the settlers were murdered.  

    Educate yourself before you spread any more lies about my country.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre_of_1622

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ratcliffe

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre_of_1622

  • Charles

    Simon, until you have endured Waterboarding, taken a course on it by the U.S. Military, witnessed it in person…STFU on it. dripping then dropping water on a head is not torture, you plebe….It’s MINDGAMES…GET IT?

    So shhhh, and be thankful the U.S.A protects wusses like you in the arena
    of Ideas that allows you to still speak out in your own language and not
    German, Russian or Arabic.

  • Charles

    Chris, in regards to your post “Don’t take up arms”…WORD! <–Seriously,
    that’s all I can say….Dittos? Right on!!! Ok, not all, but word!

  • Storm-Rider

    Simon,

    Compare the mass-murdering ways of Europe to that of the United States. We can do without your self-serving European lies about America.

    According to The Black Book of Communism the total murdered by Atheist-Communist regeims approaches 100 million people killed. According to R.J. Rummel (author of Death By Government), the figure could exceed 250 million. There is some uncertainty over who is the all-time killer: the Soviet Union or China. The Black Book of Communism attributes roughly 20 million deaths to the USSR (Lenin and Stalin) and 65 million to China (Mao). Rummel’s best estimates are 62 million USSR deaths and 35 million Communist China deaths (but could be up to 127 and 103 million, respectively).

    R.J. Rummel credibly estimates other death counts throughout history, and he pulls no punches or otherwise minimizes the death counts from Christian and Western movements.

    • European slave trade with New World – up to 2 million.
    • European Christian Crusades – 1 million.
    • Spanish Inquisition – 350,000.
    • North American Indians – up to 25,000.
     

    http://theblackbook.wordpress.com/

  • Charles

    Storm, BRAVO!!!! On your posts!
    =-
    Ignore Simon, he’s ignorant of factual American History.
    Hey, I know…Let’s ask a real Indian about Indian slaughtering???
    Shall we?? Ok, I am here.

    Did white anglo Euro/American peeps slaughter yours? Yes.

    Why? Because you(Indians) slaughtered them(anglos) as well as carving fetuses
    out of pregnant womens bellies, and hanging them up on your
    “t-pees” as a sign of Bravado.

    Hmmm, are you sure that occurred? Yes actually I am. My tribe keeps
    actually detailed records of our own race(Cherokee) as well as the
    Comanche and Apache.

    Why? Well because at the time they were off the wall
    “mavericks” in the Indian zone, and best to keep the
    crazies listed and detailed for future problems.

    Were the anglos innocent? No, they were not. I could
    list their crimes such as rape, etc…But all is schooled
    to kids about the anglos mischief, not ours. It was/is
    a dark chapter in our history that we sunk to lows that
    matched our “enemy”, but we did.

    Guess what Anglo Euro guy? None of you fuckers ever
    lifted a god damned finger to help us either….But now
    you sit back and cast blame on the Anglos that did
    what they did to us….You are guilty by standing aside.
    Anglo Euro guy, guess what? Our fighters were SOOOO
    fierce and barbaric, we got mentioned in a Vikings
    journal from Leif Erikkson(sp?), praising us for our
    abilities to fight and destroy in combat. We are the only
    peeps next to the berserkers that earned that honor.
    Did you KNOW THAT?

  • Chris

    Charles I am just sick of people being so concerned with the enemy. We would of never beaten Hitler with that mentality.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Chris:  Perfect Logic.  Who gives a care about the enemy.  The End!

  • Charles

    Anyone, correct me if I am wrong, but barring biblical days, slavery
    came from Africa(Time-Life books). Not the same as slavery in
    America obviously, but the practice of tribes “selling” strong black
    males to other tribes, was a common practice back in the day. It
    served several points: The king of the tribe sold off the strong that
    could one day usurp his throne, and he got goodies in return: IE:
    molasses, rum, etc…Indentured servitude was a common practice
    as well, as the male would leave his tribe to work for a rich man
    somewhere else, to support his family. When the anglos from America
    came, they purchased the strong black males from a tribe with the
    above mentioned items including fur, and the black tribal chiefs
    loved it…So they had no competition for their throne.

    Obviously I am not saying it was ok, I am simply retelling what I
    read.  If you get a chance read a cool book written by a Slave
    called “Puttin on ‘ol Massah”, obviously it was written by someone
    else, but was transcribed. VERY cool book!

    Before I give you my memory excerpt(from my memory), let me just
    say that It’s sad after you read it, that a man can be so used to
    beatings, that when he speaks of them, it’s “blase’” and no emphasis
    was added, because he was so used to it. However, what I am about
    to quote or tell you about, he used MAJOR emphasis, cuz it was in
    regards to love…..John Doe is his name for this post, I cannot
    remember his or the womans or anyones:

    He basically heard thru the grapevine(they did that then too!), of
    a “witch” that sells “spells”, and John thought long and hard about
    buying a love spell for Jane Doe, but he didn’t get paid much cept
    the amount he gets from small here and theres. But he OH SO HAD
    A SHINING FOR JANE!!! So he did it, he bought the spell.
    <insert the spell practice here, and his feeling like an ass doing
    it, but focusing on her>
    He had a chance to arrange a meeting with Jane afterwards, but
    he knew it was against his rules to be out and off the grounds
    at that time, without the Massah’s knowin bout it. But he did it.
    Him and Jane met up, and so the love spell worked right? He
    didn’t bother with talk, he grabbed her and kissed her. She
    squealed loudly, pulled away and slapped him, then ran away.
    And all John could think of, was what a stupid think witchcraft
    is!! When John went home, cussing himself for wasting money
    on nonsense, he knew what would be waiting for him. And it
    was…After his beating, he promised himself to never fall for
    such a silly thing as witchcraft again! He would get Jane by
    his own , he didn’t need silly spells.

  • Charles

    Chris, you are ABSOFRIGGIN right! We wouldn’t have…And
    Obviously, with most that believe that, I don’t have to
    mention that reporters today said the shit about us(USA)
    back in the day, would be executed for Treason.

    What’s even funnier is the Liberals of the world n their fasination
    with McCarthy…They 100% ignore in the 1970′s
    Venona decrypted Soviet messages backing up what he said!

  • Charles

    Omer, you simpleton…130B in China? Wow! The Earths total is 6 to 7 B
    peeps….If I am not mistaken, China has 1B!

    Then you call Americans Cowards? I’m sorry, who is living in caves?
    The taliban or the US Military? Who kills jewish babies, girls and boys
    in cafe’s and busses??? Plebian is the Omer or as I like to call his kind:
    rectal-loving-identifiers….

  • Tonto (USA)

    Omer, get yer mama OFF the street.  She’s too ugly to make any money that way.

  • Charles

    I’m going to start a FOR-PROFIT fund, for Omer to get laid.
    Everyone donate $10, anything left from getting him laid
    will goto Jewish Orphans….Come on now, don’t be tight
    with the cash, we won’t buy him ANY blowup doll, we
    will get a state-of-the-art one that he can beat into
    submission! God Forbid he have to go on looks alone to
    get laid, we will help him!

    If you are compassionate for an angry muslim being sexually
    deprived(except obviously sheep), plz call and help!!
    1-800-too-lame

  • Chris

    Thanks Charles,

      Omer reminds of me of other Muslims who tell me that there are billions of Muslims in Islam.
    Omer was banned but he loves us so much he snuck back on.
  • Omer

    Fuck the dipshit Americans they are mental case people who don’t know the reality. But soon when all of their Army will come to US in coffins they will know what they are made of and what mUslims are made of. As Richard Nixon of US says. It is the man behind the Gun.

  • Charles

    Islam is safe! LOL!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKdAYOFC2SQ

    As I say Omer: You bitches can hide in caves for only
    so long, before a bunker buster hits yo ass like a 2-ton
    heavy thing.

  • Tonto (USA)

      Omer, I talked to a Green Beret the other day who had done several missions in Afghanistan.  He said killing muz there was almost too easy.  He said they were idiots that actually believed they were good fighters.  He said the best he saw over there was a Chechnyan, that wounded 2 guys before they killed him.  Must have been trained in the Russian Army.  He said we kill THOUSANDS of muz there with very few US casualties.  We talked about the value of a Viet Cong vs a jihadi in war capability.  He said the VC were so much better that there was no comparison.  My stepson has done 2 tours in Iraq.  He said that even the vaunted Republican Guard were lousy troops.  Slovenly in weapon maintenance and piss poor in marksmanship and fire discipline.  He said the guys that tried to attack them were dumber than dirt and didn’t have a clue as to how to execute an ambush.  They killed them all.  Guess religion is not a real good substitute for brains and training.  Keep trying though, scumbag.  The more muz we kill there, the fewer we’ll have to kill elsewhere.

  • Charles

    My favorite British guy!!! OF ALL TIME!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHh0NdR5Jh0

  • Omer

    Americans are mother fuckers bullshit and fetuses

  • Charles

    Omer, go away now. Intelligent species of humans
    are speaking intelligently. Ignorance is not allowed.
    We apologize for this error, and will attempt to
    rectify it as soon as the Green Party Canidate wins
    the election for US President.

    <insert ass.wav>
    play ass.wav

    We’re sorry, but the number you have reached:
    Infidels, is temporarily disconnected…We are
    making repairs to keep out retards…If you feel
    you have reached this number by mistake, plz
    hold and a mundane underpaid operator in
    India will speak to you with an annoyingly
    not-close-to-English speech pattern that will
    take down your complaint…Thankyou.

  • Chris

    Omer I knew that you were playing games here when you were acting friendly. Now we see the real you.

  • Deborah

    Wow! Omar is back with his prolific cut-n-paste!  Have you noticed how there is nice Omar and evil Omar?  Maybe on meds Omar and off meds Omar?   LOL at his rants.  Maybe he needs a hobby or a friend …

  • Charles

    Omer, I did not say “1B”, did I? Osama is a bitch in a cave
    like Saddam was a noob in a ditch…Get it GOTARD?
    I ask that your stupid ass watch the Military channel on
    USA Cable….Reference these weapons:
    Shoot grenades around corners
    Destroy buildings with 1 touch
    Vaporize 100SQ yards of forest and rock
    Easy convert from M4 to sniper rifle
    Extended range for Barret that can take off head
    Etc…
    No point in going on, you get the point. Bring russia,
    china and all the muslims….Know what 2-3B peeps mean?
    More die with 1 blast. The USA thanks to US and Israel
    and the French, own the entire arsenal of the future
    weapons tech grid….Get it? You and the commies are in
    the past, you’re a fad….Now fade away.

  • Aisha

    ROTFLMAO  – Omar sounds like a kindergardener who just learned some naughty words.  Your mommy better wash your mouth out with soap and maybe a spanking ~ wait you probably like it when your mommy spanks you.

  • Charles

    Omer didn’t I tell you to fade away? You go now! Obama WILL!
    But you need to fear what comes AFTER Obama….

  • Storm-Rider

    Omer,
    You and Osama bin-Laden are evil men, and so are the totalitarian leaders of Russia, China, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Libya, etc. etc. etc. I hate your evil in my bone marrow and in my soul; and like my father, I am not afraid to die in defense of sacred human life and human liberty. But make no mistake, Omer, like General George Patton said: “Let the other poor dumb son-of-a-bitch die for his country”, or in your case, for your totalitarian religion. Evil may prevail in some areas of the world for a time, but you will be defeated by the Divine force of truth and human liberty. You and your totalitarian allies will end up on the ash-heap of history in unmarked graves – just like Adolph Hitler.

    It is time for Americans to beat our plowshares into swords and our pruning hooks into spears; and to loose the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword – just war in defense of sacred human life and human liberty.

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    Omer has been banned again. He’s now been banned under two IP’s.

  • Charles

    Speak the truth Storm, SPEAK IT!

  • Chris

    Simon,

      Lets go with facts. The US does not control Iraqi oil or their money.
  • simon

    …thats’s true.

    Chris… this is a serious point about Christs teachings… i am not being a smartass. I am trying to understand your version of christianity, because it is differentf from mine. I am not a christian, but you might find this  strange I accept the teachings of Christ.

    But this is what I don’t understand:
    YOU said… when christ didn’t specifically say anything, then everything in the old testament still applies.

    so… by your logic… not mine… when christ said, love thy ememy…. all the bit you quoted about revenge still is acceptable.

    when he preached “let him without sin cast the first stone”… in his subsiquent silence he also agreed with stoning adulturers ( because it is in the old testament)

    …. this is the position your proposition leads us to. its not my logic… it’s yours.

    Now the only way christianity works for me … is if we follow the teachings of christ (hence the name).

    I think his life superceeds (or should) all previous examples, and all previous texts should be disregarded. He is the font of all knowledge on this matter. His specifict teachings are the one to follow. In terms of a spiritual life – his specific teachings, and life example… is ALL we need.

    … thats how I interpret it. If you want to throw all that other stuff in from the rest of the book, then that, I believe, is where things start going wrong.

  • Tonto (USA)

      Infidelesto, thought you’d already smoked that omer-puke.  When I stepped in here last night and saw a vast omer-regurgitation I was real surprised.  The lad did get a bit evil, wicked, mean and nasty there at the end.  Makes me wonder how mouthy he’d get in a face to face situation.  This is what I meant when I was talking about guys that are mice on the street and lions on the inside.  I think this kind of taqiya thing is manifest in what we call “moderate muz”.  They’re all frickin’ tangos, and we all saw omer evolve through “the transformation”.
      simon, get a Bible (New Testament) with the “red words” in it.  These are the words that they say Christ actually said.  When you read nothing but these words, you will see that, all religion aside, and focusing on spirituality and common sense alone, the impact of the wisdom can be incredible.  Good luck with your search.  Ignore religion altogether.  Ignore the Old Testament.  Ignore everything but the red words and the 10 Commandments.  That in itself will be a revelation to you.  Right now, you’re trying to pole vault over a mouse turd.  Chill dude, it ain’t hard.
     

  • jennyjen

    Whoa! I missed a lot while sick in bed, Obama induced head cold I believe. Let’s see, where do I begin….
    1. Water boarding- not enough torture for me. The enemy will do worse and we must make the enemy fear us if they will not respect us thru any other means. See General Pershing, the epitome of hardcore!
    2. Storm- you rock dude! I love your posts!
    3. Omer- the rantings of a lunatic, I respect my dog more than I respect you. At least she knows to shit outside.
    4. Simon- Yin and Yang. No peace without war, no good without evil. “War is HELL” if it wasn’t, it would be labeled a tea party.
    5. And on the teachings of Christ and why I only attend Church on Christmas, Easter, Mother’s and Father’s Day- my spirituality is for me to develop, I’m no biblical scholar, but I am an inherently good person who will go ape shit if my family or friends are attacked and do not fuck with my dog, “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”.
    Omer keeps calling America “she” so the above quote is for him as well and it bears repeating, “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”! I will go “iron-skillet ninja” on any man or woman who tries to limit my God-given rights.
    I line I read in a book this weekend, “If our enemy wishes to fight, then we must fight in our defense”.

  • Chris

    Simon,  

     I think that you confused me with someone else here, I am not religious.
  • simon

    … thank you storm rider… I certainly agree with your last post

    sorry chris… I think i meant charles.. apologies

  • Chris

    No big deal.

  • Storm-Rider

    Corrected Text:
    Simon,

    There seems to me to be a close parallel between the North American Indian wars and the wars of the ancient British Isles. I’m not a historian, but I read Winston Churchill’s four volume “A History of the English Speaking Peoples.” In prehistoric times the Neanderthals inhabited your beautiful Isles, but they were annihilated by the Celt Cro-Magnons. The Celts were then defeated by Angles and Saxons and driven into what is now Scotland and Ireland. The Anglo-Saxons then defended Britain from the Danes, and were eventually conquered themselves by the Normans. The English nation and eventually the British Empire followed. I don’t believe the Celts and the Anglo-Saxons are still harboring resentment for the Normans, and there won’t be a push for reparations. History has played her hand, and the British Isles have prospered and made a mark on history which will be difficult for any nation to ever match. There is no sense of shame today in Great Britain, and there shouldn’t be; and the same holds true for my country. If we press this irrational idea to its logical conclusion, we would be forced to genetically engineer some Neanderthals and have them kick us all out.

    There is now evidence that the Eastern American Indian tribes originated in Europe rather than Asia, and that they arrived here over an ice bridge which spanned the North Atlantic about 15,000 years ago during the last Ice Age. There is genetic evidence for this as well as arrow points from the Eastern Tribes which match those of prehistoric caves in France, but don’t match those of the Western American Indian tribes. If true, the analogy between North America and the British Isles would be even more interesting and closely associated.

    http://www.pbs.org/saf/1406/segments/1406-4.htm

    http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/native/am-indian.htm

    SR

  • Charles

    Simon,you mistook Chris for Me….I again point out, to your flawed
    logic the following for the last time, eat it and agree or dont and
    drop it:
    If using your flawed logic, Christ, automatically negates God the
    Fathers words on everything(LOL!), then he need not speak to
    specifics, need he? Yet he did, he specifically chose to call out
    WRITS OF DIVORCE and cancel them. Why? Logically(mine), using
    flawed logic(yours), all he would say is: Writs of divorce are bunk,
    they no longer exist. Yet he didn’t and do you know why? Same dam
    reason he didn’t list of ALL laws from God the Father to debunk, he
    agreed with them and God the Father is BOSS, not Jesus Christ. Christ
    is our personal Saviour…..Thru HIM we(non-jews) can not only
    witness the Kingdom of God, but live in it…Otherwise, we could not.

    I’m sorry, I miss how you are having a problem with this? Ahhh,
    are you specific with your problems? Are you a thief? Adulterer?
    Gay? Liar? What is your problem with the truth? It’s ok, God finds
    the ACTIONS an Abomination, not the person…Unless he/she
    makes no changes to stop the actions.  The problem with you
    reading this, is you are being told The Word….Once told, and
    you die, without changing, you cannot use ignorance as your
    excuse :) I usually warn peeps about that before “preaching”
    The Word to them, my bad. Now you know The Word. Liking
    Christ’s teaching is good , believing the tanamounts is better.
    Jesus Christ is our personal Lord and Saviour.
    Jesus died on the cross for our sins.
    Jesus was resurrected as affirmation and confirmation of
    The Word, who He is, and What’s at stake.

    I say again, using flawed logic(yours)(in regards to Christ), Since
    Christ did not speak it, the 10 commandments are no longer
    in effect?!?!?!?!??!?! Christ never affirmed the Book of Genesis,
    so it’s not true????

  • Chris

    Charles,

      I missed one of you posts before. In my view the NYTimes should of been charged with treason for their leaks and Jimmy Carter should of been charged with the Logan Act when he went over to chat with his Hamas buddies. For the most part our leaders are gutless.
  • Chris

    Charles,

      I actually missed two of your posts. lol!! Sorry.
    Omer would still be here if he just left comments, but that was not good enough for him as he was being spiteful by continually posting those long essays and Infidelesto wanted to give him the boot also. Thanks for the compliments and you keep up the good work also. This is all part of the information war.
  • hater of stupidity

    Your quotes are from Mawdudi, an ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST FROM THE 70′s, not the Quran.

    You need to take things in CONTEXT. While I’m no fan of Islam as my own personal religion, Christianity also has a quote “and as Christ is leader of the Church so is a husband his wife’s lord” or some shit like that.

    Equality of women is stated many times in the Quran and *must* be taken in context.

    EXAMPLE: Inheritance? Women get half because they can keep it and do with it as they please, while men are required by the tenets of their faith to use their money to take care of females. Like I said, the rules mentioned are based upon other stipulations in their text.

    There are moderate/westernized Muslims just as there are moderate Christians.
    Not all of them are bad here people.

    The Taliban, who confined women almost all of their lives, deprived them of anesthetic for child birth, killed gynocologists as women ‘weren’t worthy’, and killed them daily for walking the streets without a man by their side? THEY’RE THE ONES WHO NEED TO BE TARGETED HERE.

    I’ve done a decent bit of studying as far as Islam is concerned, and it’s a religion that has been tainted by patriarchal interpretations and abuse as well as radical fundamentalists gathering the impoverished people of failed countries under their butchered rendition of the religion.

  • Chris

    Please save the excuses about Islam. Mohammad himself was a terrorist.

    Translated by Islamic scholar Pikthall and Ali.
    It does not have to be all of them, just like it did not have to be all Germans.
    BTW, Those quotes are from the KORAN. 
  • Chris

    Hey maybe Mohammad himself butchered the religion that he invented. LOL!!

  • Chris

    There were thousands of modern American Muslims who attended those pro-Hezbollah rallies here and attend the dozens of Mosques that have been caught preaching hate here. It’s the same problem across the world.

  • simon

    Charles, of course the book of genesis is not true, it’s a creation myth, every culture has one… aborigonies believe in ants dreaming, Hindus believe in Shiva dancing, christians believe there was a garden with only one man in it, and a woman was made from his rib. It’s clearly patent nonsense. Its just a story that has been made up. What I find incomprihensible is that anyone actually believes it.

  • simon

    one other thing charles when you ask me “ your problems? Are you a thief? Adulterer?
    Gay? Liar? ”
    I take it from that comment that you lump gay people with thieves liars and adulterers…  I can’t say I find that offensive because it is so ridiculous…. and so very Islamic

  • Joan

    same goes for the koran and it’s nonsense of myth, i find it incomprehensible that Muslims believe a sexual pervert like Mohammed was a prophet and pray 5 times a day, in this time facing towards mecca on a prayermat, making such an exhibition of themselves. Some of the nonesense is far to laughable to write, so i find myself in agreement with Simon, patent nonsense written to control. where i come from there is a saying about the koran,
    “stop. me sides are splitting ”
     
    Joan

  • Chris

    Simon, 

      If no one is forcing Christianity on you, what do you care what people believe?
  • jennyjen

    Hey maybe Mohammad himself butchered the religion that he invented. LOL!!

    Chris, I gotta agree with you on that, it was never meant to be a religion, just a control mechanism.

  • Chris

    Yep, that is why it is full of contradications. Because he said and did what ever he needed to do to get what he wanted at the time or to justify what he was doing. He was just another con man.

  • simon

    Chris
    … I don’t really care, although if Charles’s rampant homophobia is based on a particular belief system, then I feel it is my duty to critisize and mock that belief system wherever I find it.
    The same is true of Islam.

  • simon

    … it’s nice we agree now and then Joan! :)

  • Joan

    yes simon,
    I think so too, you batting for the Muslims and me batting for the Christians, it is cosy.

  • Chris

    Thanks Simon.

    Royd another UKer was supposed to stop by. I wonder what happened to him?
  • jennyjen

    I think what Charles is saying is that homosexuals, thieves, murderers are all sinners as defined by the good book. To what degree of sin, not sure if a murderer and a gay man would fall under the same. I have no clue myself, and I don’t want to ponder such things as I am not a theologian and I thank God for that everyday.

  • simon

    .. well exactly jennyjen, and that’s why I think the good book is horseshit.

    and joan please… I am NOT batting for the moslems. I’m bowling against them

  • jennyjen

    Well Simon, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and usually someone thinks it stinks.

  • Joan

    I knew my new agreement with simon would never last.

  • simon

    … exactly… 

  • Charles

    Quote: ”
    Author: jennyjen
    Comment:
    I think what Charles is saying is that homosexuals, thieves, murderers are all sinners as defined by the good book. To what degree of sin, not sure if a murderer and a gay man would fall under the same. I have no clue myself, and I don’t want to ponder such things as I am not a theologian and I thank God for that everyday.” (((((END QUOTE)))))
     
    My reply:
    Actually, we can take the Bible as an example of what Gods views are on sin. ALL is equally bad. I mean, if God wouldn’t/couldn’t appear as self before Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Moses, et al…Logically as he stated himself, death would occur because of his truthness and majesty. Does that mean the thieves, homosexuals, and murderers are going to burn in hell? Depends. If they confess to Jesus their sins(acknowledge them), ask for forgiveness and mean it in their heart – THEN turn their backs on that lifestyle and live not doing it, then they will surely be in Heaven. All can be wrapped up with:

    These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
    1) A proud look(Hmm, Pride? We know God hates Pride!)
    2) A lying tongue(Lying is a sin, because God is Truth.)
    3) Hands that shed innocent blood(Who is innocent? Unborn babies!)
    4) A heart that devises wicked plans(You rely on you and not God!)
    5) Feet that are swift in running to evil(Steal? Lie? Plot?)
    6) A false witness who speaks lies(Worst than liar! You frame!)
    7) One who sows discord among bretheren.(Biggie!!!)

    Cure yourself of all of these, and you are pretty GOOD to GO! Contrary
    to popular belief or opinion , God see no difference between a little
    white lie or a biggie!! Come now, Peter lied 3 times to save his own
    ass, despite his Lord being the object of the questions.

    David lied to God and himself, by plotting to knock boots with a
    married woman.

    Remember: LIES kill relationships of ANY kind. ANY kind of lie or
    relationship!

  • Charles

    Simon, what I find amusing is your faith in nothing. I find your audacity of anyone speaking out against “Sticking your penis into another mans ass” is
    a phobia. I find you amusing in totality. I have no phobias, I do have some
    annoying quirks, and some sins like cursing.

    What is most amazing, is the hijacking of the Education system by liberal
    minded fellas like yourself, to shove unprovable theories down our throats
    as though it were fact. My faith in my religion is the same as anyone that
    laughingly believes in Evolution, they are both religions because BOTH
    require faith. You believe you are smart, you are not. Smart is knowing
    you may be wrong, but believing anyways. I’ll say to YOU boy, what I
    said to the muslim: Be glad people like me love Jesus Christ more than
    we dislike YOUR views….The terrorist for the years have gotten a taste
    of their own medicine and crybaby liberals wanna stick their tits into
    their mouths and hand over their countries to that hateful religion.

    You say Genesis is shit? I say a fool like you is doomed to repeat the
    same timeline as a muslim. Alvin Simon and Theodore, you fail in
    the life lesson and that’s sad. See, you are mistaking niceness for
    weakness. The muslims made that mistake in Iraq as well. What
    pub you goto over there?

    Christians, all listen up….Simon wants us to listen to how stupid
    our belief system is, so it breaks down to this:

    God created the Heavens and Earth, and all the animals, etc….

    Simon says that silly to believe.

    Evolution says:
    The Universe farted us into existence. For no reason, it just did.
    we were primordial ooze basking in a pond of nothing. Then slowly
    for no apparent reason, turned into life, crawled out and began living.
    Ahhhh but it doesn’t stop there, we EVOLVED! Yes, I know it’s hard
    to believe. They cannot tell us what happened to the peeps in mid-
    evolution, IE: a whale evolving into a cow…When it is neither a
    whale or a cow, but we must trust their word.  Dinosaurs EVOLVED
    into birds, you can see that right? And humans? We evolved, well they
    think we evolved from Apes, but that pesky missing-link thing that
    confounds them cannot be found..Yes we were all just birthed after
    birthed, changed from protruding mouths, covered in fur, with tails…
    to cavemen.  Apparently, that’s a fact that cannot be disputed except
    for lack of evidence, which if ever brought up, you fail in the college
    course for having the balls to question it.

    You can see how believing in a COMMON DESIGNER is silly, right?
    Stupid Christians, why can’t you believe the big bang? Huh? Besides,
    If science is EVER wrong, they can always add a new line to it:
    Physics gets Quantum !

    The biggest, SIMON, racists in the world in our history were haters
    of Christianity and LOVERS of Evolution! TY Stalin, we didn’t like
    those 30M peeps anyways! Go you! Pol Pot, Hitler!! YAY!!!! Yes,
    the Christian faith is SOOOOOOOO bad!!! LOL!

  • Charles

    BTW, the following link is an article about a Muslim
    professor that believes not only that Muhammed didn’t
    exist as the quaran says, the muslim faith is not what
    it appears :)
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JK18Aa01.html

  • Joan

    Liberals have no faith in nothing and the biggest tool they have is to laugh and skit at those who have, but by and large, those who have belief of God and Christian morals and values are the best structured ways of living, a far happier and productive home life and i would swop my belief in God for anything.
    Christian values are what has made the west a better society, and i feel it worth fighting for. To have a society based on lies and deception, like Islam, is nothing more than a sham. We in the uk are living that sham, to the sries of the bullying liberals, who really believe in nothing.
    Joan

  • simon

    Hi Charles, yes I think you believe nonsense, and you think I believe nonsense… but that’s ok.  there is nothing wrong with that. Thats what is so good about the societies we live in… we are both free to believe what we want.

    Freedom of expression and belief is key to our countries constitutions. The fact I can say to a Christian I think the bible is horseshit, is actually fantastic. If I said the koran was horseshit in Saudi Arabia, I would be most likely killed.

    Actually I do have an element of faith in my life, I just don’t tend to go on about it, as it is just that “faith”.

    For the record, and I wouldn’t normally talk about my faith, but I have been a Buddhist, since 1994…. and of course in our wonderful countries, you are free to mock my faith… if you know anything about it… as I am free to mock yours. Go ahead, I won’t be offended. As i have said before, I am not a christian, But I hold the teachings of christ in the highest regard… I am a fan of Jesus. The rest of the bible doesn’t work for me. But Christs teachings do. 

    The problem we should be addressing is the totalitarian nature of Islam… a totalitarianism that would crush both our freedoms to believe in our own faiths. 

    But to critisize one religion (Islam) by quhoting another religion (christianity) as if it is the truth, is where I have issue with you.

    For example if every time I critisized Islam, i did it with scriptural references to the Buddha, you would probably find that incomprehensible.. even laughable. So I don’t, I am just sticking to the secular facts, that Islam is an facist religious system that does not allow for other points of view. 

    Thats the problem we are facing. If you are a christian, fair enough… good for you.. and if it makes you loving, honest tolerant and kind… fantastic. My faith is based on the same principles of integrity, and respect for others.

    But we don’t need to quote our faiths to justify our dislike of islam. There are many agnostics/athiests who would not want Sharia Law. As soon as we start quoting the bible. or the pali cannon, we are trying to defeat one religion with justifications brought in from another religion.

    We don’t need to do that, and if we do we will lose the sympathy of the vast majority who don’t share our respective faiths. 

    Finally I don’t think the christian faith is “bad” as you say… I just don’t believe it myself. But from my perspective that seems fair enough.

     

  • Joan

    At the moment we are free to believe what we want, but for how long we can stand up and say that is really the question. Islam does not allow that.

  • simon

    … I agree with you again Joan… oh no! I’m getting really sick of this now :)

  • simon

    But that is really the nub of it for me, believe what you want, is cool with me, but it is not cool in Islamic countries. I don’t want to be whipped for dancing (somaila) or beheaded for changing religion (Afganistan)… or murdered for falling in love with a non-moslem (UK)

  • Joan

    Ther used to be a place in Hyde Park called speakers corner, long gone now, and anyone could go there and get up on the soap box and say what was on their mind, it could be religion to hatred of mice, it did not matter, you could go there and say it, to anyone who would listen, that is what made us great, we were free. We fought and won and that was the sign of it, we could say it. When that went it was a sign we were no longer free.

  • simon

    … has it gone?… I didn’t know that… when?

    I remember seeing a moslem preacher there saying he wanted to smash an old moslem mans face in because his daughter was wearing make up.

    It is to my shame that I never heckled.. actually I was too scared to

  • Joan

    simon,
    It has been gone for years, unless it is just there for Islam.
    It has officially been gone for donkey’s years.

  • simon

    1999 that was when I was there last. Under what pretence was it abandoned?

  • simon

    well I have just checked with wikipedia and it doesn’t say anything about it not exsisting any more… I’m not saying you are wrong, but I have never heard that it has stopped

  • Joan

    on the pretenc it was offending muslims, after the attack on america in 2001 our people were getting up calling them murderers and it was apparantly upsetting.
    I will get back with the exact terms i have to go out now.

  • simon

    have a nice day…. :)

  • Joan

    It officially was banned, but it may be unofficially be used as i d not live in London, but i do remember it was officially discarded as racial incitement.

  • simon

    … bloody hell! that’s bad :(

    especially as moslems aren’t a race, but a dark ages religious system.

    the only hate I ever heard there came from them

  • isaac

    W00t!  go women on all thingy and quote rock :P

  • Charles

    Ah but Simon, the UK doesn’t have full freedom of Speech or Expression like it used to, thanks to the muslims. You cannot bash their religion in print, can you? Even with facts. Without the threat of a lawsuit or fines.
    =-
    That was a “Simon lite” response after a way different post regarding Christianity. Nice switch. I muse to myself, your fantasy about loving
    Jesus and his teachings. Ignoring Revelations and His words in it.

    I find it also amusing, that Christ specifically stated there is only one
    God, and that was His Father. His Father was/is not buddah. So to
    say you agree with all of his teachings, means you agree that buddah
    is NOT God, but Jesus’s Father of the OT, IS.

    The only arguements that muslims cry on about, is “mis-quote”. That
    really is all they can say. Even if you had one of theirs read to you
    word for word, with 20 others reading the same thing word for word,
    the muslim would call them all haters and that they all mis-read it.

    Read “The Politically Incorrect Guide to ISLAM (and the Crusades)”
    It’s a hoot! In regards to its author Robert Spencer, a post was
    done on revivingislam.com that stated:

    “May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains
    in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and
    over again. Amen”

  • simon1

    Hi Charles,
    well you are right about freedom of expression in the UK… hate speech is now illegal, although it is interesting to note the only people who have been prosecuted under it are moslem clerics… so that is a positive sign.

    and there was no switch… and there is no fantasy involved.. I never said I “loved” Jesus (those are your words not mine)

    I see no contradiction myself, if there is a god, and I’m not saying there isn’t (how would I know) then he would be the father of Jesus, in fact he would be the father of me you and the whole of creation.

    I also agree that the Buddha was not god… of course he wan’t he was a man. But if god created heaven and earth and all the things in it, then he is the father of us all…

    I don’t really have a problem with the idea of a god, in fact I have a suspicion there may be one, but not the sort described in the OT.

  • Chris

    Simon,

      That well know anti-Islamic blogger was also arrested in the UK.  Lionheart is his name and he had a huge following from what I understand.
  • Guided_By_Allah

    Ok .. everyone.. I understand it is the “HYPE” now to critisize the beautifull teaches of Islam and the message of Mohammed (saw). All I really want to emphasize is that it is completley false and ignorant to say things about Islam that have no meaning to it . I have respect for all religions. because in depth there is no religion that supports evil doing .. So if one wants to bash Islam then get the education on it FULLY!  to make your points validity if there is . As for the seriousness of the reply from the Islamic community on the cartoons of prophet Muhammad (saw). It was ofcourse a reply that should of been waited for. Muslims a true one that is, take their religion seriously to the core and to come out with pictures of the prophet (saw) in a way that was not acknowledged by the holy book is a sever insult. Muhammad was the greatest man to walk the earth and that newspaper that published it was completley out of their mind .. It’s seen that Jesus is poked fun at and made into movies with depicted pictures .. but the christian community does not react imn the same way as the muslims did .. and to me that just comes to show .. that muslims hold their religion with great value and at a high stance .. and to insult the religion of islam to a muslim will be insulting to the core and it will be offensive because being a muslim is their identity … following Islam is their way of life. There is no way that everyone in this world will agree to one opinion, but thats just how life is and this world is .. but Seriously lets have some class and respect and if you do not believe in the religious teachings of ANY religion … then you dont have to be vulger and rude about it

  • Chris

    Guided by Allah,

        I learned about Islam from the words of Islamic scholars…and you are?
        Christians are more civilized than Muslims and that is why they do not go nuts over stupid things like cartoons. Islam gives no respect and deserves none back.
    If any of this insults you that is your problem. It is freedom of speech, if you do not like it stay off of the net.
  • jennyjen

    Guided by Allah:
    I think the use of the image of Jesus in movies and TV shows that Christians have a sense of humor and recognize freedom of speech and expression. The reaction of Muslims after the Mohammed cartoons shows that they are a bunch of lunatics who love to be oppressed by their religion. There are quotes from the Koran  telling Muslims to kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.  I’m an unbeliever so I have a problem with that.

  • simon1

    me too…. that’s one of the milder quotes!

  • Tonto (USA)

      When I see some of the broken English writings of these muz guys on this site, I wonder what they are thinking.  What is (saw) anyway?  (stupid assed wog) ?  I don’t know. Why do they do that?  Is it to fill some necessary need that they feel?  Is it to re-validate the beliefs they have been taught all their lives?  It must be very hard to come to the west and experience the culture shock of seeing non-slave people doing whatever they want, when they want.  To see women dress as provocatively as they do here, and almost nobody will do more than just admire.  To see people congenially disrespectful and questioning of hundreds of ideas, and arguing over them.  To see people that vehemently disagree with things they have been taught to believe unquestioningly, and just say go screw yourself to those muz ideas, must really mess with their minds.  Almost makes me feel sorry for them…..almost.

  • http://www.hahaha.com Mahmoud

    Hello/Assalam alikum
    Wow That Was a Long Story, I Even Forgot What was The Main Topic. :D
    I Like The Sand in Pussy Part. lol
    Remember my friends Fighting like this is not the Solution.
    We are In 2008 almost 2009.
    We should be more Gentle and we should Learn How to Debate properly.

    I Like Islam Because I’m A Muslim…
    I Like Christianity Because I’m a Muslim…
    I Like Jew Because I’m a Muslim…
    I Like Asian Girls Because I’m a Muslim. :D
    I Like Life Because I’m a Muslim.
    I Like Big Boobs Because I’m a Muslim.
    I Like G-String Because I’m a Muslim.
    I Like IV and AV DVDs Because I’m a Muslim.
    And
    I Like “Fights”!!!
    Cat Fights and wrestling!
    Because I’m a Muslim!!
    See?
    We Muslims Never Hate. :D

  • http://www.hahaha.com Mahmoud

    We should make aBrand new Holy Book With this Page :D

  • Charles

    Mahmoud, I am a Christian, I like honesty. You’re religion is
    the direct opposition to honesty. You are the weakest link,
    Goodbye!

  • Shaykh Abdallah

    As Salamu Alikum,

    LA ILLAH ILL ALLAH MUHAMMADA RASOUL ALLAH WA ALI AMERUL MUMEEN WALI WALIUL ALLAH WA IMAM MAHDHI ANNA MAULA ZAMAN.

    please research Islam before making foolish slanders

    does not it say in your books "do not judge lest ye yourselves be judged"

    Sincerly

    Al Muitjehad Al Shaykh Abdallah Rahman Kalonji
    damma dillahou as sharef
    muitjeema (taught by) Al Mawlana Al Marja Al Ayatollah Suielmon Al Whahabb
    damma dillahou as sharef

  • Charles
  • jennyjen

    To the tard: "Ye without sin cast the first stone". Translation: "Judge not less you be judged first". Jesus taught love and understanding and Mohammed the pedophile taught war, hate and oppression. I don't want to read any crap back from you about how Jesus is referenced in the Koran, I know he is because I've read and researched your filthy book. Jesus was the son of God, Mohammed was mental case with (I think Tonto provided this) delusions, paranoia and obsessive compulsive disorder. Probably from all that camel piss he was drinking!

  • Kal

    @Shaykh Abdallah:

    I judge others, but nowhere near as harshly as I judge myself. I have lived in the ummah for the past 5 years, and have seen firsthand the honor killings, the beatings, the rapes, the suicide bombs, the car bombs, the hatred preached in mosques and all the above that makes the civilized world fear islam.

    Sincerely,

    Kal-El Kuffar

  • Charles

    WTF does sexual infections have to do with this topic??? Митрофан

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    Charles, thanks for the link. Reading crap like that reminds me that I'm one lucky gal living in the greatest country in the world.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Migro Migro

    As for me I did research all the issues connected with islam extremely good. I also read the koran – and I was shocked! By no way it is a word and message of God! I come from a country which in the medieval times was constantly attacked by the muslims from the Ottoman Empire – it is beyond description what they did to my people beheading, raping and enslaving them. All I can say about islam is that it is an extremely violent, humiliating and full of hatred cult!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    I did research Islam. The translations were from Islamic scholars. Do you know more about Islam than them?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    You last sentence is nothing more than a lie. Do you really believe that anyone is buying it?

  • Hiddenfaces7

    Oh man give this list to Letterman and have him read it as his Top Ten List for the night!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    I think he has some kind of identity disorder? I like many of those things as well but I don't associate it with being white or American, I associate it with being a human. This guy may need shock therapy haha!

  • idnot

    The verse you are refering is chapter 9 verse no 5:
    It says "When the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans whereever you find them, and seize them,beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem(of war); but if they repent, establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them . …."

    Please notice "the pagans" it is refering to only those who were in a war with muslims at that time.

    in the next verse it says
    009.006 If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

    Al-Qur'an, 009.006 (At-Tawba [Repentance, Dispensation])

    Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.910"

    Look, Allah says in the second verse here, "escort him to where he can be secure" . What else can you offer in a war with enemies?

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    5 32 Says they can kill anyone for spreading mischief in the land. Mischief can be anything.
    9 29 Calls for the domination and extortion of non-Muslims.
    5 51 Says for Muslims not to become friends with Jew and Christians
    Mohammad was a rapist, looter, terrorist who even justified the killing of women and children in night raids.
    "Because they are from amongst them".

    Ayatollah Khomeini

    Khomeini accordingly delivered notorious rebuke to the Islam-is-a-religion-of-peace crowd: “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam
    says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…. Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    "establish regular prayers and practise regular charity"

    So if they do not accept Islam, they will be attacked.
    We see this same type of behavior today, accept Islam or else. It is obviously not a peaceful religion.

  • Seraphim

    As a member of the Church of Christ, and a follower of him, I would have you understand what is meant by," Mathew 7:1" Judge not,that ye not be judged. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete,it shall be measured to you again."

    Silly muslim. We are here to judge your actions by the words new testament and the blood of Jesus Christ. We do not use our own judgment.

    Your koran is wrong. Simply because your obedience to allah, you have proved to the world that your religion is sorely lacking. You will never win. "As a man reaps,so shall he sow".

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    Seraphim,

    Amen! :D

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    "Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them,"(Sura 2 Verse 191).
    Idnot, I think this is the verse I was speaking of, quit trying to make Islam look civilized. It's barbaric and should have died with Mohammed (fleas of a thousand camels be upon him).

  • Charles

    Was on youtube arguing against this muslim, this was in my email….Enjoy! :)

    Reply from offffffficer on "the real islam"‏
    From: YouTube Service (service@youtube.com)
    Sent: Mon 12/15/08 9:37 AM
    To: Chareb94 (chareb94@hotmail.com)

    help center | e-mail options | report spam
    offffffficer has replied to your comment on the real islam:

    you just pig jew
    You can reply back by visiting the comments page.

  • maurice

    Amen

  • Joan

    And does it say in your book
    "Thou shall not kill" or does it say "kill"

  • truth seeker

    lesbian

  • truth seeker

    (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

  • right4us

    truth seeker – (or blind leading the blind) – And, yet, this is not how christians act. Nor have acted for centuries.

    HOWEVER – this IS how many muslims declaring Islam ARE ACTING NOW.

    It is ironic that your name indicates such deception. But, in typical fashion – muslims/muslim apologists – recite ancient biblical text not enacted for centuries to divert attention – while ignoring mutliple, almost daily examples of such ACTUAL depraved and inhuman acts – beheading, mutilation, death and destruction – even over cartoons. And, which religion TODAY declares publically, forced conversions or death?. Suicide bombers, honor killings, and stonings (of even young girls), hanging gays, and on and on – in front of the world, NOW – you idiot. Not centuties past. NOW, you IDIOT.

  • Joan

    It takes the heat off Islam and what is going on now, the Bible, the crusades, The catholic priests, the British Empire, etc, etc,
    I used to argue it out like you just have, now i just ignore it. It just disrupts the board, what it is done for. , so the question of how Islam followers are acting is left alone.

  • right4us

    Joan – of course it is. Such logic and reason is rejected – and reality distorted, in Islam. And it shows just how flawed their whole premise is of a claimed peaceful, and briilliant religion. And, should be kept in the debate, as far as I'm concerned. Absurdities should be continually highlighted – as in:

    Death is in every turn in Islam – insulting words or cartoons = death. Rejecting Islam = death. Leaving Islam = death. Insult the "honor" of a muslim man/father/brother = death. Not praying 5 times a day = death. Not following Islamic edicts = death. Acheive martyrdom for allah = death (die trying/killing others). Islamic clerics/preists call for (((death))) in mosques all over the world, in an ongoing basis – unlike ANY CURRENT RELIGION TODAY.

  • Joan

    Right 4us,
    You left something off your list.
    Imams or whatever they call themselves, raping little boy's in the Holy Mosques. Now how could you make such a slip ? Shame on you.
    I thought there were no homosexuals in Islam. Is it not against the perfect religion they have ?

  • is it important

    WELL it shows how ignorant u r ppl.when u want to speak about something u better know it first, it made me laugh alot i mean all the things u said in these 10 things r totally wrong,if u want to understand it u better know arabic first,and dont tell me u read the english version coz its the translation its not even the true words of Quran,,so pple go and educate urselves before coming and saying stuff coz u made me laugh alot!!! u know its good that islam does this to u. since when u care about religions and wanted to know more?,,ha ha!!! but here is the thing, hate it as much as u want to, its there and always will be before and after ur death ,islam doesnt even know u r there r talking behind his back ,listen to this HE DOESNT CARE TO WUT U R SAYING AT ALLL ,and (when ppl talk behind ur back , u better know u r in the front of them)….salam

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    Can anyone else interpret this jibberish? I get the part about talking behind Is-lame's back, well I understand what is trying to be said but the logic is sorely flawed. Is-lame to the best of my knowledge has no front or back, it is an ideology therefore I'm allowed to poke holes in its ideas, question its teachings and the source, the pedophile himself. If it is indeed a true religion, the questioning will not damage the message of Islam. Christianity teaches us to be good people, forgive and love your fellow man. Question the bible all you want, the message Christ teaches is a good one. Live a good life- be it Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, atheist or even Muslim.

  • is it important

    well well this is i dont know wut to call it when u dont know wut does (saw)means how u start saying stuff about islam while the most simple thing u r not aware of,,,hmmmmm interesting for me and so so so funny,,thanxx u made me laugh enough for one night!!!!!!!!!!…here is wut civilized ppl say to u EDUCATE URSELF ,,READ …THINK..THEN SAYYYYYYYYYYYY…..SALAAAMMMM

  • thecoach

    Screw Islam

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    @ is it important,

    here is wut civilized ppl say to u EDUCATE URSELF ,,READ …THINK..THEN "SAYYYYYYYYYYYY…..SALAAAMMMM"

    Marhaba. I have, I did, I do. That is why I say the things I say. Because I am fully aware that islam is a crock, a fantasy, cooked up in the mind of a pedophile while he was off hallucinating in a cave.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    Yes, I can interpret, as I learned gibberish back in 1995, watching the movie Billy Madison :D

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    YES IT IS!!! And they will even kill you to prove it! :P

  • Peace

    hey all
    i just want to say that the 10 pints stated are not right! and i have read the Holy Quran and so i know!!
    please dont judge withoout researching and hearing both sides .

  • forever free

    Let us make all muslims martyrs, we will do them a favor, they will love us for sending them to allahland with the seventytwo prepubescent virgins and mohammet their idolized child molester and this planet will be awesome without them. Can you imagine just how much ignorance could be eliminated from the human race with the complete obliteration of islam? it could possily even tip the scales of humanity toward real intelligent life on planet earth.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/badsamy badsamy

    because you all are sooooooooo stupid

  • http://nintendo-wii-download.blogspot.com/ Kanina anindita

    whooaa! That's VERY UNTRUE! I'am a moslem woman from indonesia. DO YOU EVER HEARD NAME: MEGAWATI? yeah, she is a WOMAN and SHE IS A PRESIDENT OF INDONESIA (1999). Indonesia is the Largest moslem population in the world and we are very tolerate. islam is very nice toward women. if there is someone who is being harsh and evil to woman, then he'is not a moslem. God Bless U

  • Beej

    Um … am I correct in thinking Bali is part of Indonesia? Bit of an explosion at a nightclub, I seem to recall. All those evil holidaymakers wiped out. Very tolerant, are you? Islam is very nice towards women? Wear whatever clothes you like, do you? Perhaps you like being so bodily covered, but suppose you decide to dress in "Western" clothes: OK, is it? Those who are harsh and evil to women are not Muslim? Like those who stoned to death the 13 year-old girl after she was raped? They were being nice to her? Whooaa, I am being SO untrue, aren't I? You poor ignorant wretch, can't you see the rest of the world is on YOUR side – the side of downtrodden Muslim women? Do you honestly believe you are not subservient to your "men"?

  • Mo_Jamal

    A fine display of Context-dropping, Is this supposed to be objective ? what happened to explanation by context? or do you think the Quran is a series of one-liners? There are plenty of verses in the Bible that are very incriminating when taken out of context, as well as any other Holy scriptures so why the double-standards and context-dropping?

    To Jennyjen: do you honestly believe your self-righteous/delusional rant? and if you were intending to portray any semblance of reason, why the profane and the unseemly?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    A fine display of you trying to con us. We were objective, now we see the hate coming from Islam.
    Ayatollah Khomeini

    Khomeini accordingly delivered notorious rebuke to the Islam-is-a-religion-of-peace crowd: “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…. Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    The quotes are from the Koran and go take it up with the Saudis and how they treat women.

  • Mo_Jamal

    A fine display of Context-dropping, Is this supposed to be objective ? what happened to explanation by context? or do you think the Quran is a series of one-liners? There are plenty of verses in the Bible that are very incriminating when taken out of context, as well as any other Holy scriptures so why the double-standards and context-dropping?

  • Mo_Jamal

    Interesting how my previous post (I reposted) was deleted.Gatta love the American sense of Freedom of speech…bigotry does run amok regardless…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Here is where another Muslim plays the victim card. Being against the bigotry of Islam does not make one a bigot.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    wrong, it wasn't deleted. stop telling lies. We welcome dissent and debate. Just read around a little bit and you'll see. Your sarcasm is rather annoying I must say.

  • Mo_Jamal

    To Cristopher L and John: I must commend you with your quick and very efficient replies an unfortunate mistake I might add, I refreshed and it did not occur to me that the placing of the posts would change (previously above that of Kanina's)

    Cristopher,whatever gave you the idea I was muslim and do you have to be that obviously defensive? and who is khomeni to speak for a whole religion?

  • Mo_Jamal

    and if my ill-placed sarcasm was lost on you, I was referring to the my post (mistakenly) being deleted…im not as narrowminded (wow, is anybody?) as you believe and maybe hope?

    but that has an interesting implication.Does your definition of a logical discussion mean that, if you are pointing out faults in reasoning on subjects it automatically makes you on the other side? and supposing I am, does it, by your standards automatically mean I am too biased to discuss rationally?

    If you would care to explain Christopher L.

  • Mo_Jamal

    "A fine display of you trying to con us. We were objective, now we see the hate coming from Islam.
    " then a speech by Ayatollah Khomeni in response to an earlier post-Christopher L

    Is this your idea of a rational debate, your assumption that khomeni represents Islam is fallacial and misleading.

    Also,by your words you were objective and I am supposed to take your word for it then?

    Priceless.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    I am not looking to debate you, I have made my mind up about Islam. I stand against your religion. But I am sure that you know more about Islam than the Islamic scholar Khomeni knew. lol!!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Here is the deal, I come across people like you all time and I have heard it all. Do you have to be that obviously an Islamic excuse maker? Mo Jamal is here to tell everyone they are wrong about Islam, but he is not a Muslim….
    Khomeni was a scholar, and you are?

  • Mo_Jamal

    You really think alot of yourself, why would I want to change you? and Christopher you should look up 'debate' sometime you might be surprised.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    No I do not think a lot of myself.

    Debate
    2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.

    What you fail to realize is that I see what your goal is and I am not concerned with what your opinion is.

  • Mo_Jamal

    Typical, stereotyping people in small boxes and smaller boxes, somewhat illogical i might add.

    Interesting thought process nevertheless, khomeni being one Islamic scholar from a multitude of others is for some reason the ideal standard bearer for Islam. So basically by the same logical assumptions, evolution shouldnt be called a theory if Darwin's every claim (or lack of) is to be taken literally.

    same with Einstein and Special Relativity (and some very special relativistic circumstances) but why go back to such archaic thinking?

    a simple rule of thumb:if you want to negate something try to use your mind rather than emotions.It might be hard but its worth it. (nothing to do with religion and everything to do about everything else)

    I will not repeat this again, I am an existentalist objectivist from toronto, who happening to have lived in Saudi Arabia for a number of years developed a great respect to the people and Islam and in religion in general. I would not have not objected if you brought forth logical and reasonable primaries and conflicting deductions but what you are doing is no different than the fanatics in the middle east you so despise. Propaganda in a form religious ultra-fanatics would have been proud in.

    You sir and your worthy comrades are the epitome of what people should really fight against, the negation of the reasoning mind.

    I expect another round of nit-picking,faulty deductions and self-righteous outbursts, do not dissappoint.

  • Mo_Jamal

    Exactly what is my supposed goal you seem to have so intuitively uncovered?

    If you still dont know, you might never. Which would be unfortunate.

    Good job looking up 'debate'! Incidentially were you surprised by the other defintions you so suavely ommitted?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    No you are typical Islamic excuse maker with an elitist attitude. Other Islamic scholars and leaders have stated the same. I am not going on emotions, so do not talk about what you do not know.

    Right, we are do not have reasoning minds all because YOU say so. LOL!!

    I have no respect for anyone that respects Islam, and only a idiot would compare us to the Islamists as we are not looking to impose a set of barbaric laws on the world.

    I expect another round of your elitist attitude and Islamic ass kissing. BTW, you have brought nothing but your meaningless opinion. The articles on the forum speak for themselves.

    Maybe as you look down your nose at me, you will figure out that I do not care what you think of me Mo.

  • Mo_Jamal

    "Right, we are do not have reasoning minds all because YOU say so. LOL!! "
    ————————————————-
    Wherever did you get the 'we' part from, you are mistaken it is You that is irrational.

    Go through the junk that you wrote , you dont even have a logical thinking pattern.Anyone with half a brain could take you on in a set debate .On basis of Semantics alone.

    "The articles on the forum speak for themselves."
    ————————————————-
    Alas,but I speak for me.

    "Maybe as you look down your nose at me, you will figure out that I do not care what you think of me Mo."

    ————————————————–

    My high-horse maybe a sight to look at, but unfortunately thats twice you've said it. Why the desperation? theres no reason to care whether other people care, its too reliant.I am not a approval seeking puppy neither should you constantly deny it (truthfully or not).

    I highly suggest you catch up on some reading- The FountainHead might be a good place to start.If not Dr.seuss.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    1.You are too stupid to see that I am not trying to debate you.
    2.Yes you do speak for you, and your opinion is meaningless.
    3..I had you pegged right from the beginning. You are NOT in Canada, you are posting from an Islamic country. I can see this because I am an administrator here. So you are just another lying Muslim who is posing as a non-Muslim to try and garner support for Islam. I highly suggest you lose the elitist attitude as you are not nearly as smart as you think that you are.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    1.You are too stupid to see that I am not trying to debate you.
    2.Yes you do speak for you, and your opinion is meaningless.
    3..I had you pegged right from the beginning. You are NOT in Canada, you are posting from an Islamic country. I can see this because I am an administrator here. So you are just another lying Muslim who is posing as a non-Muslim to try and garner support for Islam. I highly suggest you lose the elitist attitude as you are not nearly as smart as you think that you are.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    1.You are too stupid to see that I am not trying to debate you.
    2.Yes you do speak for you, and your opinion is meaningless.
    3.I had you pegged right from the beginning and that I why I do not care for your opinion or have any respect for you. You are NOT in Canada, you are posting from an Islamic country. I can see this because I am an administrator here. So you are just another lying Muslim who is posing as a non-Muslim to try and garner support for Islam. I highly suggest you lose the elitist attitude as you are not nearly as smart as you think that you are.

  • Mo_Jamal

    1. and 2. no comment.

    3.Wow, you dont care what I think but you happened to check my ip address location!

    I do not feel compelled at all to discuss my situation with you, but for entertainment sake I will humor you. I AM from York Toronto,Canada (loved Roger Clements), did my highschool in Saudi Arabia while my dad was working there and am currently doing my undergrad in Turkey.

    Thanks for the accusations and outbursts, all expected none avoided and all dismissed.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    You tried to pass yourself as a non-Muslim in Canada. Now you try and backtrack. There were no outbursts, I just have no respect for you at all as saw right through you on your first post. I checked your address just to confirm my thoughts.

    Am I supposed to be upset that some lying Muslim "dismissed' my posts? Too funny….. Thanks for the laughs as you got caught up in your own game. End of conversation liar.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    You tried to pass yourself as a non-Muslim in Canada. Now you try and backtrack. There were no outbursts, I just have no respect for you at all as saw right through you on your first post. I checked your address just to confirm my thoughts.

    Am I supposed to be upset that some liar "dismissed' my posts? Too funny….. Thanks for the laughs as you got caught up in your own game. End of conversation liar.

  • Mo_Jamal

    sum up: Ip address as evidence! (exposed,damn)
    therefore——> end of discussion.

    Better get an education kid.
    Good day to you, I must agree, very amusing. you made my day!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    One more for the sake of comedy. The evidence was you trying to avoid anyone knowing that you are posting from an Islamic country, and your attempt at whitewashing Islam. My education was enough to expose you, your mission failed and that is all that matters.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    So you lived in Saudi, and came to respect a people who do not allow their women to drive, or leave the house/country without permission from a male relative, who still behead people publicly in Riyadh central square on prayer day, who are funding wahhabist mosques across the globe that preach hatred of infidels (you included if you are non-muslim), still practice slavery actively and beat their maids when their sons are not raping them? Every single person I have met living in the middle east is lazy, and does next to nothing regarding actual work. They have their bangladeshi/pakistani/indonesian slaves doing all the work for them.

    Call me racist, call me an islamophobe, you won't be the first. You are not the only person in this forum to have spent time in the middle east.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    You also fail to realize that islam permits no debate. Question any of the barbaric laws imposed by shariah, and you might just end up in jail, like Salahudin Choudhury, or you might have to go into hiding and live under 24 hour protection, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali. And you profess to respect a cult that does this to people who question it?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    The difference is that Christians evolved, and stopped practicing those barbaric lines. What have muslims done? Continue to live in the 7th century.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    (loved Roger Clements)

    LOL yea you must really love they guy. Maybe you should start with learning to spell his name. Do you even know what sport he plays? What position he plays?

  • Beej

    Mo_Jamal, I have read your rambling messages, but have not been able to make much sense of them, but your references to Darwin and Einstein (his Special Theory, anyway) brought me to a state of alertness. What have you to say about them? Got some criticisms? If so, please bring them to my attention forthwith. (I am itching to know what you mean by "some very special relativistic circumstances".)

  • Beej

    Mo_Jamal, I can say from experience that posts DO get lost, because it has happened to me, too, and the last thing I shall ever be is a Muslim. If, for some reason, the Moderator deliberately deletes a message (I wish he/they would not do this) you will be informed. Don't try to belittle American freedom of speech: it is a quality no Islamic state will ever enjoy.

  • Beej

    Superb, Christopher; magnificent! Hell's teeth, how the Muslims must squirm when they read your post! More strength to your arm, old chap.

  • Beej

    Mo_Jamal, I just re-read your post. Which of Darwin's "claims" do you suggest cannot be "taken literally"?
    Are you telling us that the Special Theory is "archaic thinking"? If so, it must have been radically updated. By whom? When? Where?

  • Beej

    JI, I saw Clemens at Fenway Park when I taught at Andover. Bit of a legend, that one.

  • Beej

    Putting people in boxes? Great idea, provided they are Muslims.

  • Beej

    Mo_Jamal, gnash your teeth that Jennyjen is not your wife. Just think of the enjoyment you'd derive from beating her. Ohhhhhhhhh! Hardening?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Same to you Beej. We are in this together.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/passivenot passivenot

    "Plenty of of verses in the Bible…"? Really! Why don't you give us some New Testament quotes that resemble the following. The fact is, Muslim apologist, context is not always required for a clear statement of a thought or belief, as in: Quran 22:19-22: "… for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods." Disgusting. And only New Testament quotes, please.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/passivenot passivenot

    "Plenty of verses in the Bible…"? Really! The fact is, Muslim apologist, context is not always required for a clear statement of a thought or belief, as in: Quran 8:7: "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'" And Quran 47:4: "Strike off the heads of the disbelievers and, after making a ‘wide slaughter among them,’ carefully tie up the remaining captives." Disgustingly clear with no necessity, whatsoever, for context. Now you give us New Testament no-context-required quotes as savage and primitive as those.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/passivenot passivenot

    Almost everything muslim nations consume is produced by non-muslims: cars, building materials, communication technology, medicines, electronics, weapons, etc.

    Nobel science prize winners won by ALL muslim nations in the last 50 years? 3! America, alone: 171!

    Number of muslim universities? 600 — for 1.5 billion people! But over 3,600 universities…in the US and UK, alone!

    The United Nation’s Human Development Index ranks nations in terms of life expectancy, education and standard of living. The top 50 are non-muslim (except for 5 toy nations like UAE): #12 is US; #76, Saudi Arabia; #102, Indonesia; #136, Pakistan; #140, Bangladesh; #174, Niger.

    Almost every conflict in the world involves Muslims: Kosovo, Chad, India, Nigeria, Philippines, Somalia, Sudan, Thailand, Corsica, Cyprus, Uganda, Chechnya, Uzbekistan, Kashmir, Bosnia, Algeria.

    Wonderful culture, that Islam.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/passivenot passivenot

    You need to look up the word, "anecdotal."

    And notice how muslims resolve their support of all the savagery inflicted on us by them? "Real Muslims don't do those things."

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    Actually it is more like 5700 Universities, in the US alone. I read an article about that yesterday – http://www.studying-islam.org/articletext.aspx?id…- which you should check out too.

    And for conflict zones, you forgot Lebanon, Israel, Iraq, Ingushetia, Turkey, China (they have a muslim province inhabited by the Uighurs, who are of Turkmen descent), Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Seychelles, and Kenya. :P

  • Mo_Jamal

    Beej thanks for your interest, what I meant was that humans are not infallible and they are prone to mistakes, even geniuses but even then they are incredibly revealing.Hell I would give my eyeteeth to make some of the mistakes of the level of Einstein, enough of the commentary and to the facts.

    If you are familar with the definitive theory of relativity he presented to the Prussian Academy of science in 1916 he published an equation with a fictitious constant, lambda (equation below)

    The Cosmological Constant:Gμv – λg = – κ (Tμv – 1/2gμvT)

    To allow the equation to describe a static universe. In 1929 Edwin Hubble found that the universe is, in fact, expanding.

    Einstein objected when one colleague dared use general relativity—a geometric description of pliant space-time—to predict a cosmic phenomenon in which space, time, and the laws of relativity cease to exist. The phenomenon is now known as a black hole, a collapsed star that has formed a "bottomless pit" of gravity. Einstein's equations pretty much give up and go home when you try to calculate what conditions might be like near the center of a black hole. Einstein also doesn't work quite right when you're dealing with the world of the very small, scales the size of an atom or smaller. In those realms, scientists use the laws of quantum mechanics to guide their experiments, which don't always agree with Einstein's theories.

    Scientists now find themselves in a situation quite similar to the one right before Einstein came along, when Newton's equations, while still wonderfully powerful tools to understand the universe, were starting to show a little wear. The same is now true with Einstein. His description of gravity still works incredibly well, good enough for anything we encounter on Earth or the near universe. But there seem to be some problems with Einstein's equations when conditions get really extreme, when gravity gets out of control.

    This is where quantum mechanics enter, a notion Einstein thought as a random, unpredictable element in the basic laws and never fully accepted it. His feelings were expressed in his famous God-does-not-play-dice dictum.

    If Einstein's Idea of a static universe and relativity as the swiss army knife, were taken to be the standard for man's understanding of the universe; until now. Wouldnt that be fallacious?

    Dont misunderstand me, I highly respect Einstein and his accomplishments but I just used this to highlight Christopher L's faulty argumentation in his post about khomeni, No man is not infallible and cannot equal the ideal he set out to emulate. Except, maybe, in eye of the beholder?

    ====>"special relativistic circumstances" is a little misleading, I meant relativity during very special circumstances: such as in the world of very small scales,points of singularity which is better explained by quantum mechanics.

  • Mo_Jamal

    All of what you mentioned occur or have occured but you make it out to be they are common-place and excepted as the norm (maid rape?slavery?!). Its true that there is some form of ignorance but that is due to the prioritiy misplacement of the royal family who favor ruling at the cost of progress.

    Referring to general matters,you are making a mistake in judging by comparison, trying to superimpose pre-conceived notions on (not that I dont agree) morality,culture and philosophy on people that couldnt be any more different. Not everyone is American/Americanized or lives in America.

    Incidentially, America too has its share of problems like organised crime,drug trafficking,school shootings,discrimination,one of the highest prison populations,high murder rate. (to name a few)

    America commited some of the worst atrocities in the 20th century (besides Hitler) and are bent on being on the list again in the 21st, even your allies in Europe constantly call America as the most dangerous nation beating China and even Iran (see Financial Times link below)

    Speaking of slaves.Are your Mexican illegal immigrants any better than the negroes you've so recently freed?

    Hopefully Obama will be able to clean up the mess that is America.

  • Mo_Jamal
  • http://intensedebate.com/people/passivenot passivenot

    Of course you will repeat "this" again, because Allah commands that you lie and dissemble as long as you live. You and Muslim apologists like you will never "sign off" with us infidels because that's how you define the salvation of your miserable souls: engage, lie, engage, lie…and some fools will be convinced that you are peaceful human beings — but not enough are that stupid, Mohammed. We're onto your game.

    Here is another tidbit about Saudi Arabia for the heartless fascist/liars/defenders of primitive Muslim savagery: "March 11, 2002, in Mecca, 14 girls burned to death: Religious police (Mutawa'een) prevented them from escaping from the fire because they were not wearing headscarves and their male relatives were not there to receive them. The religious police are also reported to have prevented rescuers from entering the school because they were males and therefore not permitted to mix with females." Amnesty International is investigating.

    This guy Mohammed would call that "nitpicking."

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    yea too bad he was caught doing steroids during his prime…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/passivenot passivenot

    Thanks. I've added those to my list.
    It's a pity that our children are not being taught about the mayhem which Islam is infliciting on all non-Muslim cultures, worldwide. On the other hand, most Americans, in spite of the multi-culty BS being taught in our governement schools, are keenly aware of the real threat of Islam to our culture.

  • Beej

    Thank you. Mo_Jamal, for your post.
    1. You specifically mentioned the special theory (1905) and not the general theory (1916) when you originally raised the matter. Again, I ask: where can it be shown to be deficient? The quantum boys use it all the time.
    2. When Einstein brought forth his general theory he produced a set of equations that troubled him because they proclaimed an expending universe. Just think of the genius of that! There was, at that time, not a shred of evidence to indicate the universe behaved in this fashion, so Einstein adjusted his equations through the introduction of the cosmological constant: the theory must fit the observable facts, as science always insists. He was unhappy doing so, but science is a harsh, unforgiving mistress.
    3. Later, Hubble came along and revealed the expanding nature of the universe through OBSERVATION. Red shift, and all that. Immediately, Einstein realised his "mistake" in introducing the cosmological constant: his original equations were right on the money. They even predict the existence of black holes, and pointed to a "big bang". I know of nothing more impressive in the history of science than his set of original equations. He called his introduction of the constant his greatest blunder, but he was too harsh on himself: he was only obeying the sacred tenet of science. The observations were wrong!
    4. Along came the quantum lads, and that gut-wrenching uncertainty reared its head, defying all we hold true based on everyday observations of the world. Probability came to the fore, and Einstein hated it when he realised his general theory, while describing beautifully events on the celestial or macro scale, did not "work" at the sub-microscopic level. His "dice" comment is well-known. Suddenly we had TWO sets of Physics: one for the big; one for the small. Most upsetting. Something ain't right. Both sets continue to live side by side, and every physicist hates it. For the remainder of his life, Einstein strove to unify them into a single description of the universe, seeking a unified field theory, but never got there. The quest continues, a damnable problem being the GIGANTIC disparity in magnitude between the "electric" force and the gravitational one.
    5. Despite there being two sets of physics, attending to two different jobs, they work happily side by side until we go back to 10 exp -42 second after the proposed big bang. Physics breaks down at that point, must to the delight of certain religious apologists. Gravity is the big one, so we hunt for gravity waves in order to get closer to the ultimate truth – not that this distressing state will ever be achieved, in my humble opinion.
    6. The general theory still throws up remarkable predictions, and it attracts more attention than it ever did before. Quantum theory is similarly secure. But they MUST be united.
    7. The special theory is as spot on as ever it was.

  • Beej

    Passivenot, that is a MASSIVELY IMPORTANT message of yours. You do the world a service. Perhaps you should post it every day!

  • Mo_Jamal

    With his original equations he would have been correct.Einstein did not need to introduce a fictitious constant just to corroborate with the agreed notion of a dynamically static universe.He could have at least suggested the possiblility of such a concept of an expanding universe.Science is not about seeking approval but of the truth.

    On GTR and Quantum mechanics I agree, the General Theory of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics should be UNITED, neither can describe the universe alone. My point is (the context is Christopher L's post) that one man cannot know everything and an ideal cannot be held responsible for what he does or does not know. It would be very misleading if one said that, since you are attacking an ideal not on principle but by setting up a suitable puppet (preferably shit filled) and beating the hell out of that.

    Side note: If the LHC gets in order we might be able to throw a little light on a pre-planck wall universe , hopefully.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    Beej,

    Could you repeat that please?:P

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Your comment about the Mexicans shows you for the anti-American trash that you are.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Islam calls for the death of Jews
    But maybe all these scholars/leaders are wrong, all because Mo the liar who has given nothing but his opinion says so…… OK Mo, now you get to talk in circles and convince no one of anything.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcjpTyflYmM&eu

    Based on Koranic Verses, Interpretations, and Traditions, Muslim Clerics State: The Jews Are the Descendants of Apes, Pigs, And Other Animals
    By: Aluma Solnick *

    Introduction
    Depicting Jews – and sometimes also Zionists – as "the descendants of apes and pigs" is extremely widespread today in public discourse in the Arab and Islamic worlds.

    For example, in a weekly sermon in April 2002, Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the highest-ranking cleric in the Sunni Muslim world, called the Jews "the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs."[1]

    In one of his sermons, Saudi sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam and preacher at the Al-Haraam mosque – the most important mosque in Mecca – beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs."[2]

    "Read history," called Al-Sudayyis in another sermon, "and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others'] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers… the scum of the human race 'whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs…' These are the Jews, an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption…"[3]

    In a sermon at the Said Al-Jandoul mosque in Al-Taif, Saudi sheikh Ba'd bin Abdallah Al-Ajameh

    Al-Ghamidi explained that "the qualities of the Jews" were present at all times and in all places: "The current behavior of the brothers of apes and pigs, their treachery, violation of agreements, and defiling of holy places… is connected with the deeds of their forefathers during the early period of Islam – which proves the great similarity between all the Jews living today and the Jews who lived at the dawn of Islam."[4]

    In an August 2001 sermon, Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi, Palestinian Authority official and imam of the Sheikh Ijlin mosque, Gaza City's main mosque, called on the Palestinian people to forget their internal disagreements and turn all weapons against Jews: "lances must be directed at the Jews, the enemies of Allah, the nation accursed in Allah's book. Allah described [them] as apes and pigs, calf-worshipers, idol-worshippers…"

  • Mo_Jamal

    I meant GTR not Special relativity, an innocent mistake.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    When have I ever said America does not have problems? I admit that freely. We are not perfect. But the difference between us and the muslim world is WE TRY TO IMPROVE.

    As for judging by comparison, that is the only way to judge. Not just American society, but European, and Australian. Neither Europe or Australia are Americanized, yet they are 100 times more evolved than the muslim world.

    As for the worst atrocities in the 20th century, can you give an example? And how about in the 21st? I am curious to know what you consider atrocities. Especially since you tell me Europe considers us more dangerous than China (which routinely executes people with a bullet to the head in cold, dark basements en masse), and Iran, which imprisons, tortures and executes people for leaving islam, and openly call for the destruction of a legitimate state (Israel). The European leadership (not all, but too many) are pussies, being overrun by jihad, and doing everything they can to avoid naming the invading enemy (islam).

    Speaking of slaves, unlike the Africans who were brought against their will, no one forces the wetbacks to cross the border illegally. They come of their own free will, because Latin American governments make the US Government look clean and incorruptible by comparison. That and the minimum wage in some Latin American countries being 200 dollars a month or less.

    Obama hasn't even been President for a week and he is already making an even bigger mess of things, closing Gitmo Resort and releasing jihadists, many which will no doubt wind up back in the field waging jihad and killing innocents. But at least it feels good to close a terrorist holding facility, right? And how about that trillion dollar spending plan, doubling what Dubya wanted to waste our money on? Yeah, B Hussein Obama is doing a great job there. Not to mention him whining like a 6 year old girl when a reporter asks him a tough question and he doesn't have a teleprompter or a scripted response from his handlers.

  • Beej

    Sorry, Kal; I don't understand. Repeat what? What have I said? When? Which post? Bruce and Kev in the pub?(Hell, I could have made that MUCH longer!)

  • Beej

    Innocent? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm………………

  • Mo_Jamal

    Beej, I am sorry that we were interrupted, my post was apparently deleted for no reason (I can think of plenty)

    Care to explain Kal_El?

  • Beej

    Ah, got you, Kal. Hell, I can be obtuse, sometimes!

  • Beej

    Einstein's original General Theory equations WERE correct, but it took a formidable genius to "correct" them, as he did, in order to bring them in line with what was believed to be reality. Einstein DID NOT propose a static universe; his equations suggested otherwise, but all available evidence pointed to a static universe, so, being true to science, he adjusted. To damn him for not sticking to his guns and not SAYING in WORDS that expansion is occurring, even though his equations said precisely that, is to pour scorn on his rigorous adherence to the principles of science. Only a pseudo-scientist would think of him in this light.
    Time passes and we learn more as we go along. Guess what? Einstein's cosmological constant is now receiving the attention of the finest physicists, for it might turn out to be of great value after all!!!
    Why do you choose to tell ME that science is not about seeking approval, but seeking truth??? Do you think I need instruction in the ethos and nature of science? I might not be a great scientist, but I sure as hell know the nature of the beast, having devoted many decades to its study.
    So, then, Mo_Jamal, expand upon your use of the word "archaic" when you referred to relativistic theory.
    Oh, yes: what was that about Darwin? I'm ready to cross swords with you on the matter.