Video: Geert Wilders 'Fitna Trailer'… update Video Released

by Infidelesto on January 22, 2008 · View Comments

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The Geert Wilders Fitna Movie has finally been released. It’s being hosted on Liveleak for now. Google and Youtube are also carrying it…for now.

*UPDATE* Liveleak Caves! …removed the video from their website after death threats to their staff members. Here is their statement:

Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could directly lead to the harm of some of our staff, Liveleak.com has been
left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers.

This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to
place the safety and well being of our staff above all else. We would
like to thank the thousands of people, from all backgrounds and
religions, who gave us their support. They realised LiveLeak.com is a
vehicle for many opinions and not just for the support of one.
Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a
discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can
accept one anothers culture.

We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.”

Previous posts on Geert Wilders:

This is the trailer for the movie everyone is talking about. “Fitna” by Dutch lawmaker, Geert Wilders. This guy has some balls doing what he’s doing. Good for him though. Good to see someone stand with courage and speak out against the rise of Islam in Europe.

Thank God for these brave anti-jihadists who are willing to put their lives on the line to get the message out.


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  • Jeff Siddiqui

    Excellent!!
    There is nothing like a load of ignorance and bigotry to turn an ignominious film into a hit…especially when it is made and released in a hotbed of growing hate towards Islam!
    Bravo! Hitler and Habyarimana would be proud!

    The help add credence to the show, Robert Spencer is out there as a commentator, adding more falsehoods to the mix (The prophet Mohammed slit the throats of 800 Beni Quresh Jews! If he can do this, can you understand how many people the ordinary Muslim is ready to kill?).
    Robert Spencer knows how to talk glibly, but knowledge of Islam is not even his weak point, let alone his strong one.
    I am aware he has written three books on Islam…at least that is what he would like people to believe; The fact is that any fool can churn out reams of bigotry steeped in ignorance, but that does not an expert make. I have actually read one of his works of fantasy that Spencer would like to describe as a book on Islam, but I doubt if any Muslim (let alone a Muslim scholar) would consider it to be describing Islam.

    I wish I were in the Netherlands because I would challenge Geert Wilders to a media-covered discussion of the points of his film…and he would be shown up as the ignorant bigot that he is. Heck, almost any reasonable Muslim can demolish his arguments, it really does not need a scholar to discuss at Wilders’ level!
    Any of you promoters willing to make it happen by buying me a ticket to the Netherlands?

  • Infidelesto

    you said: “I wish I were in the Netherlands because I would challenge Geert Wilders to a media-covered discussion of the points of his film…and he would be shown up as the ignorant bigot that he is.”

    Let’s do it here. I’ll speak for Wilders and you can debate me instead, K?
    –Please tell me where he Wilders is wrong?
    –Where is Spencer Wrong?
    –Please enlighten us to the wonderful secrets of this great religion of peace.
    –Please explain to us the life of the most loving, peacfeful man, Mohammed, who’m you love so much.
    –Please explain to us the beautiful penalty of Apostasy in Islam. –Please explain to us the rights that Women in Islam have.
    –Please explain to us the beautiful practice of Honor Killings that Islam so proudly advocates.
    –Please describe the quotes of the Koran and Hadith that advocate the conversion of death of Infidels.
    –Please describe the Jizza tax.
    –Please describe Taqiya.
    –Please describe Free thought, Freedom of speech and free press in Islam.
    –Please explain the 99% af all terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.

    I’ll help you out…all things things can be summed up quite easily…THIS IS ISLAM. SUBMIT OR DIE. Read the Koran, read the Hadith, look at the life of Mohammed…nuff said.

  • Catholic appreciative of Islam

    If you take anything out of context you can make it look to be whatever you wish. Let’s examine how terrible a religion Christianity is – how vengeful. How Jesus preached hate. How Jesus preached vengeance… WHEN you take it out of context. Don’t read only the hateful books that discuss Islam, read books that show it to be a positive religion – an ex-nun Karen Armstrong is one such source.

    Religions start out with good intentions, it is what successive generations of followers do with those intentions that matters… what Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and others do today matters for if we don’t learn it peacefully we may have the terrible outcome President Hitler, I mean Bush, has predicted.

  • Jeff Siddiqui

    Hello and thank you for exciting argument you conducted with yourself… In your e-mail to me, you ended with, “Thank you for proving my point for me”.

    I guess there is no more agreeable audience than when one is speaking to ones self, is there?
    You very clearly spoken to yourself, answered yourself and thanked yourself for speaking so intelligently and proving your own points so articulately.
    Remember to pat yourself on the back; people need encouragement to continue in their work.

    Your posed questions, for which you don’t appear open enough to consider responses, prove that you have no idea of what is in the Quran and it is likely that you are simply re-quoting other bigots.
    They show no serious knowledge of world events, which tells me you probably only read stuff to “prove” your own self.

    In fact, they tell me your mind is sealed shut as far as Islam or Muslims are concerned.

    With such a limited mind-set, I am not at all surprised that you would swallow Spencer’s fantasies as readily as you appear to do.
    To know where Spencer is wrong, you need at least a basic knowledge or Islam and the Quran. If you are unwilling to verify your theories, then you will always be guaranteed a supply of enemies because YOU are always going to BE the enemy; facts only seem to impede your passion.

    As for telling you where “Wilders is wrong”, I have heard enough in the trailer to know he has insufficient knowledge of Islam to even form a valid opinion, let alone to make the self-promoting film that he did.

    I guess it should not surprise me that the people with the tightest of sealed minds against Islam and Muslims, should rail so long and hard at the lack of “Freedom” in dictatorships ruled by Muslims.

    I wish you an open heart and an open mind and if you are Christian, I wish you the love Jesus spent his life teaching.

  • stevek

    jeff is another fine apologist. instead of answering any question put to him, he just puts down those who would differ with him. for being able to tell so well who or who does not possess even the slightest knowledge of islam, jeff should be an imam.

    jeff shows us another example of those not able to defend the indefensible. he gives us not one single example where a critic of islam is wrong.
    typical

  • Jeff Siddiqui

    As a rule, I do not engage in these rather pointless debates because the other parties do not identify themselves and usually show a singularly closed and ignorant mind.
    STEVEK, the reason I did not answer your questions is that it was obvious you had a lot of hate and VERY little (if any) knowledge of Islam; if you had ANY knowledge of Islam, other than from trash that is put out by other bigots, you would not have put forth those ignorant challenges.
    Besides, while I can demolish every one of your great ‘points’, it is an exercise in futility to argue with a closed (AND ignorant) mind.
    It would further discussion (not necessarily agreement) if you read the Quran and THEN throw challenges. If you did read the Quran, I am betting you would not have a leg to stand on when you argue about the “evils” of Islam.
    I am not likely to be responding to further comments.

  • Jeff Siddiqui

    To those who might wish to study about Islam and the prophet mohammed without reading the Quran.
    Former nun and current religious scholar, Karen Armstrong wrote two excellent books: ISLAM is one and MOHAMMED is the other. They are easy to read and provide ecxcellent insights from a non-Muslim perspective.
    I don’t want people to LOVE Islam, I just want them to understand it before they decide to shoot spitballs at it,

  • Storm-Rider

    Mr. Siddiqui,

    1. Do you believe that all people are created equal?

    2. Do you believe that all people are endowed by the Creator with liberty?

    3. Do you believe that liberty means freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, right to bear arms and act in self-defense, right to own the property that you worked to create, right to privacy at home, and the division of political power into equal legislative, judicial and executive branches?

    4. Do you believe in the separation of church, mosque and synagogue from state?

    5. Does your religion support our God-given liberty, or is it the enemy of liberty?

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  • FD

    Thank goodness someone is making anything that critiques Islam. We should not live in fear of death threats just we say something remotely negative about a religion.

  • Gabriel Hrodrick

    I was raised Catholic, have plenty of Muslim friends as well as some Jewish. While the friends I know are Americanised m\Muslims, they tell me (as well as I see) that there are factions of Islam that do preach hate (towards non converts) and world domination by forcing Islam on the world, (they want to take over Europe and North Africa like they had in the past ( Ottoman Caliphate and the Spanish Portuguese Caliphates). Yes Christians did the same, as well as other non religious groups (Roman Empire, British Empire, Spanish Empire) but that is all behind us now and Islam is growing and doing this now. Most moderate Muslims do not openly decry these more radical Islamists. I did not see very many Muslims denouncing the 9/11 attacks or Osama Bin Laden’s hatred towards the west, although a lot of these same ‘moderate’ Muslims live in the west. I think we are growing too “Politically Correct” and are becoming scared to see and or say things as they are. I am all for all religions and atheists alike, as long as they respect other peoples, creeds, colors, ethnicities and sexual preferences.

  • Hollyman

    Iam European & iam afraid.
    Once i lived in quarter where many Islamic people live.
    I had to move uptown with my family because some reasons.
    My kids where treaten cause we are Christian & from Islam beleve outcasted by the fact only Muslim is right and the others wil die by the hand of Allahs arm.
    Iit was not posible to start debate cause all discussions only point to the direction that means we have to read the Koran and learn Arabic.
    When i start an discussion with my knowlege about the Koran, i always get the answer to read it so often until i respect the fact, that al others beside the Islam is waste outcasted and final destination to die.

    Shure it could be fine to talk with people who realy debate, but i can not. All real discussions wil be done in Arabic to exclude us (The outcasted).

    Maybe it would be different if those who try to take position for the Koran give clear statements. I know they can not cause the Brainwash while visit the Koran school.
    I know what iam telling about.
    In my child time i visited differend Koran schools cause of my open mind and interest what those telling about when kick my balls after school cause iam a christian.
    It was shocking the girls hat to stay outside to keep them in the role of slavenis of the boys.
    Boys never realy learn to think independent cause they get hitten by the teacher and at home from good daddy who have to take care that his son grow up to a good solder of Mohamed. I personal saw friends laying on the ground flowing blood from the wounds the Imam, teacher or daddy did to them cause they where tired from reading and take a short breef to collect theyr mind for further studies. The answers always where “He has to learn for Allah if he not does he wil be an outcasted later like you!”. You Christian shit wil not understand that. Convert to Islam and we wil tell you. Long youre no Islamic, we are not able to teach you.

    I was confused from so hard agression and took a look for an other side from that time.
    Not kind to tel someone all non Islamic wil die after positive biological infiltration !? I wil never forget this tatement. The only real statement i got from an hardcore Islamic.

  • Hossam

    Storm-Rider, i have just read your post right now. I am a Moslem, and i have replies.

    “1. Do you believe that all people are created equal?”

    Yes i do.

    “2. Do you believe that all people are endowed by the Creator with liberty?”

    Yes i do.

    “3. Do you believe that liberty means freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, right to bear arms and act in self-defense, right to own the property that you worked to create, right to privacy at home, and the division of political power into equal legislative, judicial and executive branches?”

    Yes, i do. But the current good division of power into legislative, Judical, and executive branches are only a modern invention that can, and will be improved in the future. I do not believe that they are the only possible way to run the country in a way that provides Fairness, and justice in a certain country. I am sure that the human mind will keep on improving the country structure to suit his evolving needs, and society.

    “4. Do you believe in the separation of church, mosque and synagogue from state?”

    I do not believe in this in the western way. You chose to take that way possibly because of the hisoty of church oppression, and dictatorship in the past. Religion is an integral part of the life of people. It cannot be really separated. You cannot force a jew to eat pork, and you cannot force a devoute christian to have divorce. Same thing for Islam. Having mixed society in a certain country can easily have solutions to its problems other than having to separate them from their religions.

    “5. Does your religion support our God-given liberty, or is it the enemy of liberty?”
    Yes, Islam supports Liberty. It is very strange that you say “OUR God”. Actually we believe that there is only ONE God. And that that one God is the same as Jewish God, and Christian God. THE ONE GOD.

  • Failure to understand Islam in its context can be dangerous to your health

    I applaud Mr. Wilders, he’s standing up for the freedom of speech.

    Personally, I don’t have a problem with ordinary Muslims. My beef is with Islam and the violence it teaches along with its open ended commands. It’s not the average ordinary every day Muslim out there waging Jihad on the west….or is it? When Muslims stop preaching hate, stop remaining indifferent to the violence Islam teaches, and the killing in the name of “Big Mo”…..until then, Islam will never be a religion of peace…and I’ll not respect it.

    Thus far, I’ve yet to see anyone scripturally refute what Infidelesto posted . And while at it, if one so desires to undertake this task, please explain “al-Taqiyya” and the concept of “al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh”, it will help with the understanding of Islam.

    Follow these links to become more familiar with the above concepts: http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm
    http://www.islamreview.com/articles/quransdoctrine.shtml

  • Hossam

    I would say it is very dangerous to judge Islam by different terms that comes out of context and generalise it to all religion. The questions of Infidelesto are very detailed to answer, and would take a lot of space to do that in details. However, i would like to point to something very important. There are 1 Billion moslems in the world. The vast majority of them are peacful people with no hate to others. There are some others who are full of hatred and violence. I cannot imagine that only the minority would be right, and the majority wrong in interpreting the Islamic teachings. I agree that some aspects in Islam might look strange, but again if explained in their context right understanding would be reached.

  • Infidelesto

    What’s very dangerous is to look past the estimated 91 millions radicalized Jihadists around the world, not to mention those who are not radical, but still support TERRORISM for the sake of Jihad.

    I can imagine if it was just a small sect, but cmon, 91 MILLION????

    You have a huge problem on your hands, Hossam

  • hossam

    Of course i know we have a problem. No sane person can claim otherwise. We have been suffering from it in our own countries since the late 1980s. But we are trying to say all the time, is that the problem is not coming out of Islam. It is the result of recent political history, and huge economical, and social problems. I can tell you that the main wave of terrorism is coming from former warriors in Afghanistan (in the 1970s). Those warriors were brain washed with mistaken islamic concepts that really suited the purposes of the USA to fight against communist Soviet Union, and stop its spread in mid Asia. When the war was over, those warriors found nothing to fight so they turn around to fight their own countries first, then the west later.

    And come on. even if 91 millions is the correct number. Do you think less than 10% is good represntation of the whole population??

    My main aim here is not to deny the problem, but to tell you that Islam is not its source. Islam has been used as a tool here to attract ignorant people (which are in plenty supply due to lack of good education, and due to poverty) to such groups.

    I can tell you that also hundreds of Islamic scholars are trying hard to correct the wrong concepts in people’s minds, but this will take time, it will not happen overnight.

    I would like also to mention that i am not denying Jihad is in Islam. But Jihad is the term used which exactly means the purpose of any legitimate army in any modern country; to defend the country against attack. The only difference is that Islam considers all moslems to belong to the same group. So in modern terms it means that countries should engage in a common defense alliances.

  • Jihad is the pinnacle of Islam – “Big Mo”

    “But we are trying to say all the time, is that the problem is not coming out of Islam. It is the result of recent political history, and huge economical, and social problems. I can tell you that the main wave of terrorism is coming from former warriors in Afghanistan”

    Terrorism-Jihad is not coming from Islam…..really? Jihad comes from the Qur’an & Hadith and it’s not an “inner struggle”. If the elderly and disabled are to be exempted from it, how can it be perceived as an inner struggle?

    This problem is not new. Have you heard of ibn Taymiyyah (1263-1328)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Taymiyyah

    Would these folks be considered socioeconomically deprived?

    Mohamed Atta, educated at the Technical University of Hamburg.
    Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, did undergraduate work at the London School of Economics.
    Khalid Shaikh Mohammed graduated from North Carolina A&T in 1986.
    Ayman Zawahiri graduated from medical school in 1974.

  • Futura

    Hi there, here Futura from the Netherlands.
    I saw your discussion.
    I have no problems with the religion of diferent streamings, but the way the extreme moslims react are not right!
    In the Netherlands they can build their moske’s and have there own believing.
    But when christians want to build a church in their country ….you have a big problem.
    The most big problem is (i think) the tollerance of these extreme moslims.
    I know some moslims and have some friends among them, but they can accept the way i think and my religion.
    Geert wilders is for many dutch people the hero to say that the tollerance should be equal for all religions.
    I hope that the most of these extreme moslims once can understand that this is not the right way to live with other people on one planet.
    All the wars ever been are a result of difference in religion.

    The dutchman Futura

  • Stelwagen

    Where ever a Muslim government has the upperhand, Christians are being persecuted, their houses and churches burned, killed or at times tortured/raped, getting lowliest of jobs or none to get by wirh…. A converted Muslim is facing literal hell on earth, where is all this happening? In about 36 countries, mostly in Africa, Asia, Indonesia and also South America…
    Tell me this is not so and I’ll give you more proof…. S

  • Hossam

    I did not say Jihad is not in Islam. Of course it is. But some people are still thinking of it in the 7th century context. The modern context of Jihad is to defend your own country against attack/invasion, etc… Ayman Zawahry and the likes are not the victims of socio-economic problems, but they are the victims or originators of a pervert interpretations of islamic teachings.

    Look, the current problem is so complex, and it came up because moselms have been so weak for a few centuries, and many problems have accumulated in the social, economic, cultural, and even religious fronts. New issues came out with no good scholars to tacle them in the correct way. So some people reverted to old scholars scriptures seeking a solution not valid to the modern world.

    Ibn Taymeya decalred Jihad againts Mogols because they invaded moslem countries, and actually did a lot of masacres in the countries they took. It was a self defense against attack. Please check the whole situation before judging.

    All what is happening in Moslem countries regarding the intolerance or discrimination against other religions is coming from ill fanatisism, and not from Islamic teachings or spirit. It happened through out hisotry that other religions followers florished under moslem rulings.

  • Following The Example of The Prophet

    “Ayman Zawahry and the likes are not the victims of socio-economic problems, but they are the victims or originators of a pervert interpretations of islamic teachings.”

    Doesn’t the example of the prophet muhammad, and his actions, define Jihad / terrorism? I suppose the most important collection of hadith should be disregarded?

    Doesn’t Sahih al-Bukhari contain over 199 references to Jihad with all of them referring to armed warfare against non-muslims? In premodern times Jihad only meant one thing, an effort to expand the territories of muslims at the expense of non-muslims. dar al-Islam vs. dar al-harb. Are not muslims encouraged to follow the example of the prophet?

    What would have changed since then?

    “Please check the whole situation before judging.”

    Of the 78 battles in which muhammad himself was engaged, only one was defensive (the battle of the ditch). To me, that sorta blows the “inner struggle” concept of Jihad all to hell. Those unwilling to recognize it for what it is, IMHO have either fallen to, or are deceived by those practicing al-Taqiyya.
    What exactly touched off the European Crusades? The muslim crusades? – Jihad? – expansionist Islam?
    http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/the_truth_about_islamic_crusad.html
    Watch and see, if the movie FITNA happens to make it on television, the SHITNA will HITNA the fan…..

  • http://N/A Stelwagen

    Hossam is downplaying the brutal mistreatmant or worse of many Christians in Muslim countries and blaming such on ‘ill fanaticism’…Then, who is in control? Isn’t it a well known fact that in a Muslim society Church and State are one? Turkey and Egypt are trying to be impartial (: in order to appease the international community. Shari law in a muslin country will be maintained under all circumstances. There is no doubt that the major goal is indeed the expansion of muslim territory and has been through the ages. Soon after Muhammed’s death, Islam conquered much of the Middle East and swept through northern Africa, crossed the strait of Gibralter , conquered Spain- over the Pyrenees into France….where they were finally defeated by Charles ‘the Hammer’ Mantel in 732 at Poitiers…
    Later in the 1500′s they came from another direction, conquering eastern Europe, central Europe, the Balkans- even into Germany and Austria advancing as far as Vienna, where they were beaten back twice- last time in 1683.
    Is it a small wonder that the church in Rome wanted to proclaim a crusade to put “the Holy Land” in Christian hands? Ironically, today’s crusaders are the Muslim extremists, who similarly believe that killing Americans and dying in jihad against the West will mean instant paradise. Either by the sword or massive migration. If this is not according the Quaran, then let the ‘good’ muslims speak out against it….I am listening.

  • http://atthebackofthehill.blogspot.com/ The Back of the Hill

    Minor correction – that is not a trailer, merely a website where the film will be view-able at some point in the future.

    Should probably also mention that I’m very much looking forward to the movie – I don’t agree with Geert Wilders on very much, but I applaud his courage and conviction. It is greater than that of the entire rest of the parliament combined.

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  • Laxman

    Hi all,
    Freedom is the most valuable thing in this wonderful civilized world of ours.So if any one or any concept threatens that one must do its utmost to clamp it down.We had suffered 600 years with these goons.We know more than anyone else about them!
    Thanks
    Laxman, a Hindu in India

  • Hossam

    I am very sorry, but i can say that you do not know anything about the internal affairs of Moslem countries. Governments are in control yes, but those governments are very far from Islamic teachings. They are more more dictators than being even close to the least islamic governments. They say they rule in the name of Islam, but they are not.

    Prophet Mohamed wars should be stricly seen in their context. In the 7th century war was the means of any strong community which wanted to expand their control over other parts of land. The reason have varried a lot. Roman, and Persian empires wanted more money, and influence. Moslems wanted to get their relgion known to other people. But please check the difference between the expansion of the Roman empire, and the expansion of Moselms. Roman empire persecuted and enslaved all other countries. They persecuted Christians when they were pagan, and then persecuted Orthodox, when they became Catholic. Can you ever say Chritianity encouraged persecution because of this, of course not. Islam on the other hand did not force the people of the conquered land to become Moselms. Yes, there was the Jezya tax. But didn’t any empire impose taxes??? non-moslems were not asked to defend their land when under moselm ruling. So some sort of taxes had to be in place. Jezya has no place now in the modern world.

    There is a BIG difference between 7th century solutions to 7th century problems, and Islamic guidelines, and teachings. Yes, we are encouraged to follow Porphet Mohamed example. But some aspects cannot be done literally. We have to understand the aim, and follow them, not necessarliy stick to the means to them.

    About Taqeya… Taqeya is only adopted by extreme sects of moslems. But i can tell you it is absolutely not encouraged by true Islam. Islam is against deception, and lies. A moslem is only permitted to lie to the enemy when in a state of war. And Moselms are not always in a state of war against non-moslems as said by many. A Moselm is at war with non-moselms only when attacked. And war does not mean terrorism to innocent people. War has strict rules and guidelines in Islam.

    Please note that our own citizens are suffering from the terrorism you are speaking about. And they are moslems alright. So do not tell me if it happeneing only against non-moselms.

    Finally, good moselms, and good moselm scholars are always speaking against terrorism. It is just that you are really not listening.

  • http://N/A Stelwagen

    It seems you are only addressing the problem of terrorism but there is a difference between terrorism and persecution, which is taking place against Christians, not only in Muslim, but also in Communistic countries like China and North Korea. The secular media will totally ignores such conflicts, to be fully informed a worldwide clearer picture is given in ‘Voice of the Martyrs’, the atrocities committed in countries like Nigeria, Indonesia, Sudan, Turkey and many other countries even China and India are indescribable, it is literally the Sword against the Word, but then Jesus fortold such would happen to his followers…Neither do I hear condemnation of these despicable acts…

  • Infidelesto

    No we’re not addressing “terrorism”. We’re addressing Islam. Terrorism is just a bi-product of the teachings of Islam.

    The countries you list: Nigeria, Sudan, Turkey are all ISLAMIC countries. Again…Islam.

    Of course there are other problems around the world like China and N.Korea, but on this website, we focus our attention on what we believe is the biggest threat not only to modern civilization but the entire world. Islamic radicalism is practiced by 100 million people around the world, and many more who claim to be “moderate” still support the worldwide Jihad of Islam, even if they’re quiet about it.

  • Tonto (USA)

    Got to agree with Infildelesto, It’s about islame. Islame is the religion of slavery. The goal of islame is to make everyboy a slave to it…..any way necessary. Terror, murder, rape, slavery, kidnapping, extortion are all allowable to a “good” muslim….and these modern fanatics feel that anyone who doesn’t ascribe to that attitude is apostate. So no “good” muslim would ever be moderate. When was the last time you heard a islamic leader (not a secular suckass) condem any act of islaminazi terror?

  • Andrew O’Neill

    people claim that it is Non muslims who do not understand islam and muslims and have no right to comment on it. Surely it is the other way round. Muslims cannot see beyond their own noses and realise just how oppressive islam actually is. Muslims have no capacity for reflection, introspection or self criticism. However Non muslims can see islam from a non biased view. Only non muslims can see how islam really is. We dont need to study it for a lifetime to see its influence on people.

  • http://www.MovieRush.com Mike

    It is deplorable that a USA based company would bend down and surrender the First Amendment rights. Network solutions has no authority under the US constitution to do this period. What about the anti Christian move “There will be blood”? Also what about any other move that a group of people don’t like? There is no way the Supreme Court can stand idle on this one.

  • Thomas Denardo

    It’s real simple, folks. Islam is the only religion in the world today that teaches and practices intolerance and conversion by force. Mohammed was a violent, brutal warrior who invented a phony religion in order to spur on his troops with visions of rewards in paradise when they die in battle while looting Arabian cities. Islam is not a religion of peace, unless you use the Nazi’s or Communist’s definition of “peace.” Perhaps the majority of Muslims are not violent, but they are sitting on the sidelines cheering on the jihadists, so that makes them all our enemy. The bottom line: it’s us or them, there just isn’t any middle ground in this case.

  • JordanEngland

    ISLAM is the Koran And the koran calls on the beheadings and mass killings of non-believers. There can only be peace when all non-believers of Islam are killed or converted. I for one will not bow down to this muslim threat. Islam and many muslims still live in the dark ages where woman are still seen as objects. This is why there women wear burkas. Islam is a cruel religion and MoreHamHead beheaded 600 jews himself. Muslims believe he was the pefect man and every one should be like him so yes True Muslims can and will kill non-believers for the sake of Islam. Islam wants world domination simple. The Koran Commands It. They can also lie to non-believers for the sake of this world domination. Taqeya that has been said before on here. Muslims are are war an so for Hossam can lie his socks off all he wants. I can not trust any muslim. 7th century ISLAM and MUSLIMS still live and think like that. So called “good” Muslims are speaking out about terroism? Don’t make me laugh they arn’t real Muslisms if they do not follow the Koran and MoreHamHead Which tells Muslims To Kill Non-Believers. Yet Again There Is A War Between Muslims And Non-Muslims. Muslims Decleared It. The War Is On And Muslims Can Use Taqeya To Gain The Upperhand. OPEN YOUR EYES MUSLIMS WANT YOU DEAD. You could have a muslim friend and if he is a true muslim he will cut off your head when the shit hits the fan. Terroism Is Islam.

  • Rudy

    Bottom line, islam is NOT a religion. It is a cult invented by a madman who had a delusion by himself in a cave that an angel spoke to him, and gave him permission to behead anyone who insulted him (it IS in the quran), marry a 6 year old girl and take her at 9 years old (it IS in the quran), take slaves and keep slavery alive, expand the faith either by forced conversion or murder of those too smart to submit (also IS in the quran). Ordinary muslims remain silent because they are simply employing taqqiya to lul us into the false sense of security that resulted in 9/11. Terrorism is NOT the result of American Foreign policy, as anyone with half a brain that is literate (that eliminates 95% of muslims and their apologists) can read history books and learn about islam’s terrorism vs Europe from the 8th century to the present day, including the caliphate, the berbers, and why so many spanish and portuguese words have arabic origin. All courtesy of islam’s terror campaign against the smart, civilized men of the West.

  • Tony

    Guys Please stop this non-sense attacks on Islam and stop the hatred as well. Because this will take us nowhere in the future. the world is changing constantly and we should try to know and understand each other rather than attack and dehumanize one another. Us a Muslim living in the USA I have many great friends from different religions (Jewish, Catholics, Christians, and Buddhist…) we all hangout, party, help and love each other. None of us judge each other based on one’s religion. We are human and friends first. Peace to you all and by the way I disagree with network solutions, they have no business censoring the Internet. It is the only true freedom we have out there. So, Geert Wilderso should be able to voice his opinion without being punished or insulted.

  • Confucion

    Do not understand that islam people are burning the Dutch National Flag for a movie that has not yet been published at all. And at the same time I see a lot of very sad people that claim to be islamic posting really horrible and aggressive movies on U-tube. Should we now start burning flags of Iran, Iraq, Afganistan, Turkey, Indonesia, Tsjaad, Marroco, Lybia, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Qatar….. ??? Because we as dutch people feel offended? We do not do that in such a way, that is probably the difference between European Democratic Societies and these islamic people from these countries with their totalitarian regimes, leaning on the Koran as their guidance in fear and opression. Tha is the real problem of Islam. How it is interpreted by all these frighting countries in the world. ( By the way most leading rich sjeiks in Saudi Arabia live most of the time in the god-forbidden USA!!, in their second mansion, while they tell their “flock” in islamic S.A. not to abandon their allah, while dancing themselves in a Disco in New Yor or L.A ).

  • Rudy

    Tony,

    We do not hate peaceful folk like you who adapt to your new enviromnent. What we hate is the ideology of hatred towards westerners, attacks on civilians, death threats against those who draw cartoons of mohammed, etc… I agree we are all human, but too many muslim fanatics want to dominate the world, force the people of the world to convert, submit or kill them. The very people you ask us not to hate, would kill you for being an apostate. May I ask ow long have you lived in the US, and where you came from? I am curious because you can offer more insight into what it’s like living abroad.

  • celle

    Islam now or never. LONGLIFE ISLAM..!

  • Storm-Rider

    celle,

    Long may your religion of Islam live, as that is a way for you to pursue happiness.

    Death to your totalitarian Islamic Sharia, because it is a threat to our God-given liberty.

    Death to your mass-murdering and coercing Islamic Jihad, because it is a threat to our God-given life.

    Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness!

  • Rudy

    celle,

    I am going to say NEVER, just like the Christian Alliance did at Vienna in 1683. We beat the muslims then, and we will beat them again now.

    I vote to nuke mecca, and fill the crater with pig blood. Do the same to medina.

  • kevin

    I work with both factions from the former Yugoslovia and while I am more spiritual than religeous I keep an open mind and talk to anybody.I have felt the indifference from the Muslims who will not learn any American culture,the English language nor be open minded enough to learn any more than they have to to do the job which is very safety sensitive.On the other hand a Christian co- worker from that country is very open and honest.He has become an American with out a second thought and has melted in just like the rest of us.The Muslims will stay in their own little circle and speak their home language so you do not understand,While asking you to show them how to spell English words.The Christian has more respect for people of all backgrounds and fought in the war in his homeland until he could not kill any more.The Muslims want every thing handed to them to use so they wont have to buy it and when they break your tools they say they did not and took it without asking.The belief system never ceases to amaze me. Enjoy ….P.S. These actions speak more to who the real Infidels are..

  • Land of Confusion

    Celle,

    Your words speak volumes about your ignorance and your wanton lust for blood. As a fellow human being, I expect better. Shame on you.

    Hossam,

    I disagree with you on some points, but I thank you for both taking the time to present logical arguments in a respectful manner.

    Rudy,

    Celle was completely out of line, I agree. I should not have to remind you that Celle’s words do NOT allow for a “quid pro quo” verbal assault. I am astounded that you rose to such shallow words and continued the idiocy rather than ignoring it. I myself am not a Muslim, but I have several friends who are. We like each other as friends and respect the differences between us.

    As for the movie itself: it is very revealing and informative of the radical factions of Islam. However, the reactions and counter-reactions to videos like this will sound across the globe. Fools on both sides will likely build off of each other’s hate (if Celle and Rudy are any indication), and I greatly fear for what little chance for peace the world has left. If this continues at its current pace, it will be a matter of decades at best and months at worst before Earth sees another wave of genocide, if not the outright extinction of the human race.

  • Robert, Ireland

    I believe in God. Religion I have my doubts about, but in a free society I am allowed to have my doubts. I have friends of many faiths, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Baha’i, Hindu, even a few Wiccan. I have spent time serving with the United Nations in Lebanon where I have witnessed first hand Jihad against the Israelis (and been caught up in the crossfire fire between the IDF and Hezbollah more times than I like to think about.) Normal Muslims, and by normal I mean those who live and let live are the salt of the earth. However, when you look at the news, for instance and see Muslims dancing in the street when a rocket attack kills women and children, or burning flags and pronouncing death sentences on people who print anything that Muslims don’t like (Sir Salman Rushdie, The Danish Prophet cartoonists, Geert Wilders) You have to wonder exactly how peaceful this religion is.
    There was rioting in the streets of the middle east when a story leaked out for Guantanamo Bay about “interrogators” damaging a copy of the Koran, but it’s okay for the Iranians to victimise, torture, murder and otherwise denigrate another religion, Baha’i's, because it sees them as Apostates?
    The whole world needs to take a stand against RADICAL ISLAM immediately, and not give up ANY freedoms to those who would see us under Sharia law or dead. I for one will die to defend everyones choice of religion, Islam included, without fear of being persecuted because of that Faith, or having to hide that Faith. I will fight to defend Freedom of Speech and Expression, unless it’s an incitement to racism, hate or violence.

  • Carl

    I only would like to live in a free western country. If the extremists are looking forward to stop us expressing our will, we have to stop them. Freedom is not doing what we want but be able to partecipate to the development of our happiness, helping other people of our civilization. So when someone comes to us asking for work and freedom he has to take his role in our society, respecting our rules. Otherwise we will defend from this danger. the Wilders film is just expressing the people’s desire of protection, covered by the fears of politicians that are allowing the extremists invasion.

  • Youkhana

    Dear Wilders,
    I truly congratulate you and your fellow dutch people for producing this Film. As an Assyrian Christian from Iraq who has been in Australia for over 40 years, I will never understand how much freedom the western society is giving the Islamic Culture in general. And its sad to say that Islam is destroying Europe and the rest of the Freedom that we have left in this beautiful world of ours. Although I work with a Muslim worker and I must say he happened to be Gay as well, this guy is one of the nicest human beings I have worked with ever. So you must say that there are very few Muslim people around the world who are Law abiding citizens and its a shame that these few are being diluted or lost among the Exteremists who are loud, crude, disgusting and sick, there are no words to descibe these individuals. Even in other religions you will find sick and horrible people. But you must agree that Islam as a religion is descructive and damaging to all humanity, god bless what we have left and god bless Geert Wilders and the Dutch Society,
    youkhana

  • David Sirka

    Catholic appreciative of Islam: “Let’s examine how terrible a religion Christianity is – how vengeful. How Jesus preached hate. How Jesus preached vengeance… WHEN you take it out of context.”

    That’s ridiculous. Give me one quote from Jesus in the Bible that can possibly even be misconstrued to make it seem as if He was preaching hate or vengeance? Seriously, please! Because everything Jesus said (love your enemies, turn the other cheek, etc) and did was blatantly in the opposite direction. Shame on you for even making such comments.
    The prophet Mohamed on the other hand wrote scriptures and lived a life that exemplified violence, intolerance, and hatred. This is explicit in the Koran.
    The comparison between the two is unjustified, to say the least.

  • David Sirka

    3. Catholic appreciative of Islam: “Let’s examine how terrible a religion Christianity is – how vengeful. How Jesus preached hate. How Jesus preached vengeance… WHEN you take it out of context.”

    That’s ridiculous. Give me one quote from Jesus in the Bible that can possibly even be misconstrued to make it seem as if He was preaching hate or vengeance? Seriously, please! Because everything Jesus said (love your enemies, turn the other cheek, etc) and did was blatantly in the opposite direction. Shame on you for even making such comments.
    The prophet Mohamed on the other hand wrote scriptures and lived a life that exemplified violence, intolerance, and hatred. This is explicit in the Koran.
    The comparison between the two is unjustified, to say the least.

  • Mona

    Uhhh! Propaganda? What’s all the hype. That was a total disappointment. Simple film for simple minds. It actually made me smile. It was kinda funny. His mother should have clearly had an amniocentesis.
    Lets discuss numbers.. lets all do a body count. Opposed to Christians or just non Moslems, all together have bee killed. How many Moslems have killed. Let’s say in Bosnia, Kosavo, Samalia, Iraq, Afghanastan, Palestine. Sorry, to disappoint you all but the number is in the millions. One million in Iraq alone, in the last 3 years. And take a guess.. who killed them all? Uh Duh!

    Now lets take the immigration problem. I live in America, and we have immigration problems from South of the boarder. Nevertheless, it seems to me that these “moslems” taking over the entirety of Europe will become a major problem. Now how do you resolve this problem? Europe and America will have to stop invading sovereign nations and perhaps this will end your immigration problem. There are 8 million Palestinian refugees and now 4 more million Iraqi refugees and millions more Afghans. Where do you think they will end up? How do I know this? I worked with Lutheran Family Services and have friends that still do. Let me tell you where they are ending up.. Europe and America!!

  • Svenne azur

    I just dont get it, the 1 thing that happens when the truth is out, everyone starts to condem it, it is a known fact that islam is pure and simple evil, just ask salman Rushdie, the koran clearly states that muslims must take over the world in any way they can, and infidels are not worthy and must die, that sounds alot like hitlers policy on the same issues, we have been overun by islam and their evil ways. I havent even seen the movie yet, cause the sites are being threatend to remove it problery by insane islamists or cowardly politicians. The socalled prophet was accordlingly to islamic history married to a 9 year old girl, then why cant wil call him for what he is a pedophile?

  • Erkki Nordberg

    I just saw this trailer and I couldn’t see anything false on it. I have written a book that has been published, unfortunately only in Finnish language. The name of the book is Islamistinen terrorismi ja sen vastainen sota, if translated ‘Islamic Terrorism and Defence against it’. Actually it is a research work.

    The only thing that is not mentioned on the trailer is that most, probably even 1 billion of the whole muslem population are hard working and peace loving people. But then there are those, approx 3 million hotheads that cause the probleam all over the world.

    If Geert Wilders had only been mentioned that, the trailer of his film had not been removed from most pages of the net.

    Erkki Nordberg

  • Savid Dirka

    Catholic appreciative of Islam says “Let’s examine how terrible a religion Christianity is – how vengeful. How Jesus preached hate. How Jesus preached vengeance… WHEN you take it out of context.”

    That’s ridiculous. Give me one quote from Jesus in the Bible that can possibly even be misconstrued to make it seem as if He was preaching hate or vengeance? Seriously, please! Because everything Jesus said (love your enemies, turn the other cheek, etc) and did was blatantly in the opposite direction. Shame on you for even making such comments.
    The prophet Mohamed on the other hand wrote scriptures and lived a life that exemplified violence, intolerance, and hatred. This is explicit in the Koran.
    The comparison between the two is unjustified, to say the least.

  • nicole

    i m a muslim and i think: Our Religion, our nation, our countries can only be protected from all kinds of dangers and enemies through the enormous Power which will be generated by the religious brotherhood and solidarity of Muslims and this will serve to the general Global Peace.

  • http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/03/28/liveleak-caves-to-islamist-threats/ LiveLeak caves to Islamist threats | Infidels Are Cool

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  • nicole

    O mankind! We created you from a single pair of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. (Quran, 49-13)

  • Rudy

    nicole,

    Your statement just proved, that as a muslim, you do NOT think. If you did you would realize muhammad was a terrorist, a pedophile, a psychopath, a liar, and a thief. Your posting of the garbage from the quarn is pointless. Who is the WE, if allah is a single god?

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/wilders-video-strife-laden/ BlairSupporter

    I am thoroughly ashamed of the press in my country. According to Liveleak’s website they were forced, under threat, to take down the Wilders video. Unbelievable. The “free speech” liberal intelligentsia in Britain are conniving in threats!?! I hope they have reported it to the Police.

    I have been watching and listening to the news all evening here in the UK. It is now 40 minutes after midnight and I have heard NO reference on the BBC to this video or its downing by the threatening press. If I hear nothing soon, I will be posting anew in the morning naming and shaming the British media. These “freedom lovers” need to know that free speech is ours too.

    As for the video – I have no truck with racism or anti-religious attitudes BUT the video is a compilation of actual happenings, linked to excerpts from the Khoran. Fair enough. These things DO happen under Islam, and while it is Islamist terrorism that is killing people all around the world, they have a long way to go to reassure us that good Muslims will prevail.

    It’s up to them to sort themselves out. We really don’t want to have to do it for them.

  • http://Infidelsarecool Tony

    The power that comes from a loving God, the creator of all, even demented, ignorant islamists, is the supplier of the baddest, most powerful juice on the planet. Love.

    That loving God is the source of power for all who seek to further his good will. Islam is an exhibition of human frailty and ignorance, seeking to enslave, born of fear.

    Bring your jihad if you must, your desire to shove Gods love out of the picture will be
    your peril.

    Tony

  • http://www.google.com r!tz

    Allahu Akbar !
    you, Geert Wielders, make another suffering of mankind mind, i mean moslems all over the world. islam is PEACEfull, Rahmatanlilalamin. Peace for all of you, not only 4 muslimin but 4 all of humanbeing.
    So don’t make me sad. sad about the unsolved problems on the world. For me the different is RAHMAT, diferrent not mean freedom of hurt another heart!
    so you have responsability to end all of contra-production. Assallamualaikum.

  • melanie Hugien

    I as a european am so ashame of such movie and religion intolerance.In the past we killed 6millions jews in the name of nazism and today in holland we see a ploitician going in the same path.I hope the muslims will forgive him his ignorance and know that he talks for himself and not for eurpeans.Love and Peace.Melanie

  • Z

    One million in Iraq alone, in the last 3 years. And take a guess.. who killed them all? Uh Duh!…

    Um…other muslims?

  • DTI

    Soon Islam will feel the heat of a thousand suns and the desert of their holy places will turn to glass! Allah is the henchman of Satan and his fires roast the souls of Islam’s believers!

  • magankis

    i m a muslim and i think: Our Religion, our nation, our countries can only be protected from all kinds of dangers and enemies through the enormous Power which will be generated by the religious brotherhood and solidarity of Muslims and this will serve to the general Global Peace.

  • jonh lenon

    While the unbelievers got up in their hearts, heat and cant – the heat and cant of Ignorance – God sent down His tranquillity to His Prophet and to the believers, and made them stick close to the command of self- restraint; and well were they entitled to it and worthly of it . And God has full knowledge of all things.

  • Robert, Ireland

    Melanie, it is people like you that will hand over our freedoms without so much as asking anyone else whether we agree with you. I don’t, and I know a lot of people that don’t.
    The polite term for people like you is quisling, I can think of many more, less polite terms that I will not use.
    Remember one thing, we did not kill six million jews, the NAZIS did, and the majority of the free world banded together to stop Hitler.
    We will do the same to stop the rise of radical Islam.
    Do not apologise for Geert, he is only saying what the majority of the world is thinking.
    You are a traitor not only to your own country, but to the free world as a whole.
    If you love Islam that much, move to Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia or one of the other Muslim countires, then you will truly learn about hate, religious intolerance and ignorance.

  • Dagmar

    Robert, I do agree with you, people like Melanie are traitors – they are ignorant and don’t see the danger that is coming from the Islam. It is good that there is someone who shows us the truth about the Islam!

  • Frieda Bailey

    March 29, 2008

    Like it or not, there is a clash of ideologies going on in the world right now, which is going to lead to more violence and death. I liken it to what was happening when Nazism started to raise it’s ugly head. In novels and cartoons there is often someone who wants to control the world, and that is what we see happening today. There is a group of people who want their repressive ideology to rule the world. With that type of control, slavery ensues. Freedom as we know it disappears, because freedom is not compatible with central control. These were my concerns as I went to bed last night. And this is what came to me in the early hours of the morning. I felt compelled to write it down, and to send it to you:

    GOD IS. It is man’s perceptions of God that differ, but God IS. God is found whenever an act of sacrificial love is performed. God is in acts of compassion. God is in the situations when one person is willing to give up his life to save that of another. God is in acts of humility, when self-pride is laid aside for the sake of peace and harmony. God is in truthful, fair, and just dealings between one person and another – one nation with another. God is NOT found where there is hate. God is not there when violence is done. God is not found in the home where obscenities are screamed – where there is abuse, physically or mentally. Let us not be swayed by those who say they must kill in the name of God. With God ALL people have value; each life is precious. With God is unity, not division. GOD is LOVE. LOVE is GOD. AMEN

  • Chris Hooymans, Canada

    Pretty much a bunch of inflammatory rhetoric – I am sure the same could be done for the christian bible … but this does not excuse the violence perpetrated on our societies or to the very real threat of numerical political encroachment – putting our democratic system into the hands of the most prolific breeders. In time Islam will rule using the tools and freedoms granted by our forefathers – founders that would never accept that our democratic systems are being taken over by religious fanatics. Will I have to start sleeping with some stones under my pillow!

  • Arif – Malaysia

    From Islamic perspective, Muhammad was a man who received divine revelations from the true and only God (Allah) to spread absolute truth, uphold justice and given a very heavy responsibility from Allah to bring peace to every corner of the world. Its the same noble mission for other prophets like Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc.

    Each verse from the Quran was revealed to him according to his circumstances in carrying out the noble mission, at ease or at pain. Islam spreads all over the world through defensive and offensive wars, agreements, trades or any means of human interactions, because of this noble mission.

    Clearly whoever trying to stop his mission are the ones who erred, no matter his position, either Sultans, Caesars, Presidents, Prime Ministers, priests, monks, man or woman, adult or child.

    Muhammad and his true followers’ enemies are the individuals, organizations, states or countries that are cruel, injustice and subjugate people for their own benefits. These enemies are the same enemies for any noble person, non Muslim alike, that working on the same noble mission. These enemies were very obvious that need to be killed instantly wherever you found them, because of their treacheries and immoral maneuvers. The verses from Quran quoted by Mr. Weert were describing the right treatment to these enemies! THE INFIDELS OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE!

    Which side are you?

    Unfortunately the gaps of misunderstandings have grown wider. The video is the testimony of what non Muslims, easterner or westerner, currently understands Islam. Muslims should embrace this issue openly and use its popularity to explain the true Islam without getting apologetic. It is the golden opportunity you cannot missed ….

    Sincerely yours,
    Arif.
    p/s. From authentic tradition (al hadith) Muhammad married Aisha at her age 6 and consumed it at 9. It is something common and customary at the 7th century for a man to wed a girl that is very young to today’s standard. No Romans, Jews, Christians or Pagans at that time objected to this marriage per record, indeed it was celebrated in a grand manner by the realted families. Anyway it is a marriage recorded and known to everyone, not something secretive like adultery, rape or pedophile kind of things.

  • ISHTIAQ

    every Muslim also believe in freedom of speech/press.
    Freedom of truth does not mean to mis guide the people.
    i can give hundreds of examples of concealing of truth by media controlled by non muslims.
    The war in Iraq was fought being the threat of weapons of mass destructions as per westren media where are those weapons.No body speaks about it.
    Sadam may have killed people in hundreds but King of terror is killing in thousands. No body speaks where is freedom of speach.
    Fighting against invader was once called petriotism but westren media has changed it to terrorism is it freedom of speech.
    the same way this film is mis leading one and bundle of propeganda.
    thats all.

  • Storm-Rider

    The Christian Bible, i.e.: Jesus, does not teach violence; and the violence of the Hebrew Bible was taught only for an age gone by – not and never for the here and now.

    Violence for Jews and Christians (I am a Christian) is only acceptable today in defense of life, i.e.: self-defense; or in defense of liberty, i.e.: just war against terror or tyranny.

    As for Islam ruling America through some slight of hand – using our liberty as a means of establishing tyranny in the United States, I don’t think it will happen. For one thing, the immigration of Muslims into America will have to be stopped, and secondly our Declaration of Independence would come into play.

    Get out your copy of the Declaration of Independence and read the second paragraph: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

    We the American people have the God-given right to alter or abolish any American government which does not secure our God-given rights to life, liberty (it says liberty!), and our pursuit of happiness. We are authorized by God – so says the Declaration of Independence – to wage war against such an Islamic government, or any other tyrannical government in the United States.

    http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm

  • Rhonda Blair

    Jeff Siddiqui,
    Perhaps you could do all of us “infidels” a favor, yes? Why don’t you admonish and condemn all Islamic murderers and terrorists publicly? Would you do that please? Would you be willing to announce, in a public forum, that Muslims who murder and terrorize are wrong, and condemn them as an abomination to Allah? Would you also please enlighten us as to some verifiable documentation of Muslims denouncing, and/or condemning, the Jihad being waged by their Islamic terrorists brothers and sisters all over the world?
    I’m sure this will not be an easy task. What do you say?

  • Khalid

    Listen All!!!!.
    islam and Jihad is 100% different what is being project on this website. this all due to what the hate they hv for this beautiful religion.
    islam its self mean “Peace”. Peace to humanity. and Allah loves peac on the land. Allah says in Quran.
    002.011 When it is said to them(kafir): “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “Why, we only Want to make peace
    002.012 Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.
    002.205 When he turns his back, His aim everywhere is to spread mischief through the earth and destroy crops and cattle. But Allah loveth not mischief(terrorism).
    All the coments and veido against Quran in this website
    are out of context . this is all actually related about defense or during battlefield.
    If you want to see what actually the terrorism then see the American army what they doing in Iraq and Afghanistan and see the Israel what they doing with the innocent philistines
    Learn Islam¦the peace to humanity and stop supporting real terrorist!!!!!!

  • Robert, Ireland

    A Number of Points!
    First of all Arif;
    It was never customary for any one to consumate (I hope you meant consumate anyway) a marriage at age 9, 15 or 16 years of age maybe down as low as 13, but at least AFTER they had started menstrating. But hey, you believe in a paedophiles vision of right and wrong, it’s your choice.
    Secondly, to quote you “Muhammad and his true followers’ enemies are the individuals, organizations, states or countries that are cruel, injustice and subjugate people for their own benefits.”
    I take that means Iran, Iraq under Saddam, Nigeria, Sudan, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under the Taliban and other ISLAMIC countries that rule through fear, intimidation, executions and secret police.
    And as for you Ishtiaq, Saddam didn’t just kill people in hundreds, he invaded Iran, an Islamic country, he invaded Kuwait, an Islamic country, the true number of his own ISLAMIC countrymen he murdered out of hand. The Kurds in the north, The marsh arabs in the south, launcing rockets at Israel. Saddam was a mass murderer that killed PROBABLY OVER A MILLION PEOPLE, THE VAST MAJORITY MUSLIMS!
    And who is responsible for nearly 95% of civilian casualities in Iraq at the moment?
    That’s right, MUSLIMS! As I have said in another post, Sunni’s killing Shia’s, Shia’s killing Sunni’s, Suicide bombers killing dozens of innocent MUSLIM civilians to get at one soldier or police officer. And most of the “insugents”, A.K.A. terrorists are not even from Iraq. Exactly how is killing your fellow muslims good for business?
    Believe me, if that’s what you mean by Muslim solidarity and brotherhood, keep it. That kind of dysfunctional family dynamic, I don’t need.

  • Savid Dirka

    The main argument made by Muslims here is that Islam is a religion of peace that is being misunderstood. I’m sorry to say this but it’s time for your religion of peace to do some house cleaning, just like Christianity did in it’s reformation. You can’t just stand by and watch or people are just going to assume the worst about all Muslims. So stop defending Islam as a religion of peace to others and begin to defend it against those who are ‘perverting’ it, if thats what they truly are doing.
    If you make it the responsibility of the West to do this, it will be a lot harsher and you’ll get caught in the crossfire.

  • Richard

    There is no such thing as a religion of peace. One may strive for peace as an act of faith, but faith and religion are not at all synonymous. Religions are constructed, maintained, and administered by men, and the history of mankind is a litany of struggles for power and wealth.

    Ancient man rounded up members of other tribes for mass sacrifices to their gods of thunder, pagans slaughtered each other to bring bountiful harvests, medieval Christians fought one another (and slaughtered pagans) over the date of Easter and to resolve disputes far outweighed by the things these people had in common, and now a significant number of Moslems are struggling to wage a war to shove the Koran down everyone else’s throat. This is not a characteristic of Islam… it is a characteristic of religion.

    In every instance of religious warfare, from the Aztecs through the Israelites all the way down to the jihadists running amok today, the religious element is window dressing on a campaign of conquest and subjugation intended to advance the worldly position of a small group of humans, each not much different that any one of us, who seek to expand their wealth and influence.

    Religious tolerance is our greatest impediment in the West to understanding the threat that “radical Islam” poses – we fear to be charged with religious persecution, so we indulge unconscionable acts so long as they are motivated by religion. Until we tear away the veil of legitimacy that shrouds the instigators of these “holy” wars, and come to regard them as the megalomaniacal brigands and thieves that they are, we bind our own hands and leave ourselves vulnerable.

    Dealing with these people in the context of their real-world actions and their consequences, rather than examining their ideologies and criticizing their interpretation of religious texts, needs to be done immediately if we are to humanely forestall a horrendous slaughter… because if the West ever truly feels threatened, if Europe and America ever come to believe that their power and wealth might slip away, then they will rain fire and destruction upon the Islamic heartland that will seem truly biblical.

  • Rudy

    Khalid,

    You left out the part where Muhammad molested a 9 year old girl, slaughtered entire tribes of Jews and Arabs, robbed caravans, ransacked villages, beheaded people who insulted him, took sex slaves and raped women in front of their dying husbands, and proclaimed “I am made victorious through terror” and the verses in the quran about making war against unbelievers. Your taqiyya will do you no good in this place.

  • AssyrianMight!

    Let me tell you the truth about islam, and even muslims agree because they know the truth. This is a fact. First, Islam was not started by muhammad! He was just 17 years old when Islam began. Islam was founded in the early part 700′s, almost 650 years after Christ, by a Christian priest! Yes! A Christian priest! At the time, many “churches” were popping up for political power and monetary reasons! One great example is The Roman Church. The start of the Holy Roman Empire meant political power and money to come. So this Christian priest, used muhammad to start his new religion. muhammad , at the time, was a street criminal. He was what we would compare a pick pocket to, or a purse snatcher! This priest took him in and laid out the plan. The priest would go down a well and throw his voice and proclaim muhammad the only true prophet of God. People would think it was God’s voice and then the priest and muhammad would reap the new financial benefits of their knew religion. But muhammad was sneaky and had other ideas. After “God” proclaimed him the true prophet from the well, muhammad told the people to throw stones into the well as a form of sacrifice. This was smart because the priest was killed and no evidence of the sham religion remained! This is where they got the kaba stone from. After that, the 17 year old married a 56 year old woman who was wealthy wido. She had a lust for the young muhammad. As it states in the koran, muhammad was caught by his best friend while in the act of raping his friends daughter! His friend was about to kill him with a sword but some how, muhammad convinced him that God chose him to be muhammad’s right hand man and that God wanted his daughter to be willed to muhammad! muhammad also raped his own daughter, and while he slept, she cut half of his moustache off. In that time, this marked a man as a rapist, so muhammad shaved his face completely so know one would know his crime. But a man with out facial hair was deemed a homosexual. So he had to “hide”. This is explained in the koran as him going into the desert for 40 days to pray. muhammad also was an embezzler! He was chased by people he scammed. He fled to Mecca to hide. This is where they came up with their Haj. The journey to Mecca!!!! muhammad was also a known homosexual and pedophile. He had harems of women, yes! But also harems of young boys as well. All middle-eastern Christians know this and all Arabs do as well. The western world never hears these things. When a muslim dies and goes to his paradise, as it says in the koran, his 72 virgins are not women, but untouched teenage boys! This is a fact! All Muslims will attest to this! You see, there is much that people in this country don’t know about Islam! And when muslims here in the U.S say they are Americans and not in support of terrorism, they are lying! You can believe me when I say to you that we are in trouble if we continue to trust them! islam is not a peaceful religion. They are all animals and should be treated as such. They slaughtered more Christians than the Nazi’s killed Jews. What upsets me is that if you make a drawing or joke about that faggot mohammed, they get upset. and the reason is because they know about the sham! They just have to protect the lie. They are a filthy people. They approve of sex with young boys and disgrace women! They prya to a moon god! They donot believe in the God of Israel ,The Father of Christ! They will perish from this earth!

  • Rudy

    Assyrian,

    Wow…

  • AssyrianMight!

    RUDY, You are 100% right on that response to khalid! Islam is a hateful , evil cult! We need a new age Crusade. There are some in America that are organizing from what I have heard and read! People have really opened their eyes!

  • Rudy

    We have indeed begun to open our eyes. As happened after Pearl Harbor, the slumbering giant is waking from a restful sleep, to squash the terrorists and send them all to the abyss that awaits them.

    I count myself among the New Crusaders :D

  • Storm-Rider

    Rudy,
    I’m with you buddy, and I’ve got your back. To hell with the totalitarian Islamist enemies of American liberty. As President Bush once said, they will end up in the same unmarked grave as Adolph Hitler and his Nazis.

    First the British Empire tried to snuff out our God-given liberty in 1776, then the Nazis and Japanese tried hard in the 1940′s, then the Soviet Union tried to kill our liberty in the second half of the twentieth century. We were left standing on the battlefield – our liberty defended.

    Now there is a new enemy of our liberty – a political and military machine in the guise of religion. God-damn them all.

    My father was in on the action in the 1940′s, and he left the battlefield standing. He now looks down from heaven with Thomas Jefferson at his side – both with eternal hostility against this evil tyranny.

  • AssyrianMight!

    The only ones to fear are the non-believers! “Woe To The Assyrians! The Rod of My ANGER”!

    Islam will never prevail! We ASSYRIANS are the first civilization and the first Christians! Most of the Apostles were Assyrians! The Original Church was Assyrian and it has stood to this day and will never fall! ST.THOMAS spread Christianity to INDIA and MONGOLIA, He was ASSYRIAN. We are The Whip Handle of God’s Wrath! We are the HAMMER of GOD! WE ARE THE NEW CRUSADERS!

  • AssyrianMight!

    Let me also tell you about the British! They will fall quick to islam! They betrayed the Assyrians in WW II! We crushed the arabs and nazi’s for them and were promised our homeland, which is now Iraq. But they sold us out for oil and money. They made deals with the arabs. They turned us over to be massacred by the muslims. Them and the Roman Church! The arabs used British soldiers as women when they captured them. The same will happen to them when the vermin convert them! But any true Christian will chose death before denying Christ!

  • Invitation

    If we’re really genuinely seeking the truth, we then surely need sincerity and real, true, hearty intentions. Who really turns to their Lord in humility whilst acknowledging his/her complete poverty and utter dependance on Him and asks from the bottom of their heart for Him to guide them? It’s a journey and it starts with our ownselves and our own sincerity. As humans, we have to surely put aside our prejudices and have a spirit of real reflection and real willingness to be open-hearted and fair. There’s the old famous English saying ‘A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing’. Absolutely anything can be taken out of context by anyone of any religion or none. But, if we truly want to understand, it requires a level of honesty and maturity and sincerity. If we want things to be how we think they are, or are not really interested in the truth, then why waste precious time? For anyone who is interested and genuinely wants to know a little about Islam, an author that can be recommended as a starting point is Gai Eaton who has written a number of books: ‘Remembering God- Reflections on Islam’ , ‘King of the Castle- Choice and Responsibility in the Modern World’ , and ‘Islam- The Destiny of Man’. May we all be blessed in our own journeys- may they be beautiful ones and may we all live to see peace and kindness amongst all the children of Adam (peace be upon him). Let’s perhaps all of us resolve to do something kind for someone today- something that will warm their heart. Discussion is good, but lets walk the walk. Kind regards everyone. Peace

  • Khalid

    My all brother and sister….plz read carefully with peace, patiance and sincerity.
    The Main Question IS:

    Why are most of the Muslims fundamentalists and terrorists???

    Answer:

    This question is often hurled at Muslims, either directly or indirectly, during any discussion on religion or world affairs. Muslim stereotypes are perpetuated in every form of the media accompanied by gross misinformation about Islam and Muslims. In fact, such misinformation and false propaganda often leads to discrimination and acts of violence against Muslims. A case in point is the anti-Muslim campaign in the American media following the Oklahoma bomb blast, where the press was quick to declare a ‘Middle Eastern conspiracy’ behind the attack. The culprit was later identified as a soldier from the American Armed Forces.

    Let us analyze this allegation of ‘fundamentalism’ and ‘terrorism’:

    1. Definition of the word ‘fundamentalist’

    A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.

    2. Not all ‘fundamentalists’ are the same

    One cannot paint all fundamentalists with the same brush. One cannot categorize all fundamentalists as either good or bad. Such a categorization of any fund amentalist will depend upon the field or activity in which he is a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist robber or thief causes harm to society and is therefore undesirable. A fundamentalist doctor, on the other hand, benefits society and earns much respect.

    3. I am proud to be a Muslim fundamentalist

    I am a fundamentalist Muslim who, by the grace of Allah, knows, follows and strives to practise the fundamentals of Islam. A true Muslim does not shy away from being a fundamentalist. I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim because, I know that the fundamentals of Islam are beneficial to humanity and the whole world. There is not a single fundamental of Islam that causes harm or is against the interests of the human race as a whole. Many people harbour misconceptions about Islam and consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. If one critically analyzes the teachings of Islam with an open mind, one cannot escape the fact that Islam is full of benefits both at the individual and collective levels.

    4. Dictionary meaning of the word ‘fundamentalist’

    According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.

    According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’.

    Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.

    5. Every Muslim should be a terrorist

    Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.

    6. Different labels given to the same individual for the same action, i.e. ‘terrorist’ and ‘patriot’

    Before India achieved independence from British rule, some freedom fighters of India who did not subscribe to non-violence were labeled as terrorists by the British government. The same individuals have been lauded by Indians for the same activities and hailed as ‘patriots’. Thus two different labels have been given to the same people for the same set of actions. One is calling him a terrorist while the other is calling him a patriot. Those who believed that Britain had a right to rule over India called these people terrorists, while those who were of the view that Britain had no right to rule India called them patriots and freedom fighters.

    It is therefore important that before a person is judged, he is given a fair hearing. Both sides of the argument should be heard, the situation should be analyzed, and the reason and the intention of the person should be taken into account, and then the person can be judged accordingly.

    7. Islam means peace

    Islam is derived from the word ‘salaam’ which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose fundamentals teach its followers to maintain and promote peace throughout the world.

    Thus every Muslim should be a fundamentalist i.e. he should follow the fundamentals of the Religion of Peace: Islam. He should be a terrorist only towards the antisocial elements in order to promote peace and justice in the society.

  • Rudy

    Invitation,

    We know plenty about islam, thanks to sites like faithfreedom, thereligionofpeace, islam-watch, all run by people seeking the truth. We also learn plenty from muslims who kill their daughters for chatting on facebook, or not wearing a headdress, or being too westernized. We learn even more when we see and hear imams preaching hate, intolerance, and violence to their brainwashed muslim followers. How do you suppose all that is taken out of context? Do you even know what “context” means, or are you simply parroting those imbeciles in the media who tell outright lies, get caught then try to say their lies are taken out of context?

    How is it that by seeing exactly how muhammad lived (as a pedophile, mass murderer, megalomaniac, robber, rapist, etc… which are all documented in the quran and hadith) and then seeing muslims do exactly as he did that we are taking ANYTHING out of context?

    A little knowledge IS a dangerous thing. And muslims everywhere are aware of the danger they are in, because islam is being exposed for the barbaric, terrorist cult that it is. That is why they escalate the violence, just like muhammad would. Infidels all over the globe are gaining KNOWLEDGE about islam. That will be its undoing

  • Storm-Rider

    Khalid,

    1. Your fundamentalist Muslim religion does not violate the founding principles and laws of the United States if it is just peaceful worship of God and performing charitable works – that would be fine.

    2. Your fundamentalist Muslim religion is contaminated by sharia law which is totalitarian and the enemy of American liberty – it violates our Declaration of Independence because it does not lead or govern with the consent of the governed. Sharia law can be interpreted by your religions judges in any way they see fit in order to advance your Muslim religion and its unjust political system of coercion and control of the masses – similarly to Nazi or Communist law.

    3. Sharia law is the enemy of American because it suppresses liberty – which in this country has been declared to be from God Himself. Your sharia law destroys freedom of speech without which there is no liberty. Under your Islamic legal system no one can speak publically against your religion, your god or your profit – that would result in imprisonment, torture or death. No freedom of speech – no liberty.

    4. Sharia law is unjust and evil as it sanctions lies, coercion and violence against non-Muslims as a means of spreading the Islamic religion.

    5. Sharia law represents official and legalized bigotry against all non-Muslims including Christians and Jews. We would have to pay a special tax to your Islamic government for the purpose of enriching Muslims at our expense, and it would also serve for you the useful purpose of intimidating and humiliating all non-Muslims. Christian churches are forbidden to perform repairs or expansions, and no new Christian churches may be built.

    6. Sharia law sanctions the murder of any Muslim who leaves the Islamic religion. Murder is evil, therefore sharia law is evil.

    7. Sharia law does not allow for full legal or political equality for women – sharia law is a great injustice here as well.

    8. Sharia law sanctions the sexual mutilation of little girls.

    9. Sharia law sanctions the murder of homosexuals.

    10. Sharia law sanctions the rape of non-Muslim women if it has the effect of advancing the Muslim religion.

    11. Sharia law allows for the murder of any non-Muslim, as all non-Muslims are considered non-innocent.

    13. Islam is also contaminated by the evil of terrorism, coercion, murder and mass-murder. You say that every Muslim should be a terrorist, and I believe you.

    Khalid, your religion is possessed by the evil of sharia law, jihad and terrorism. Maybe someday Islam will be a religion of peace, but for now it is a religion of injustice, terrorism and wars of aggression; and your contaminated religion is therefore the enemy of America.

  • lol lol lol – Indonesia

    I’m Christian, and i’m from Indonesia….(jakarta)
    yes it’s true that there’s intolerance in islam. me-myself experienced my church being sealed, and my cell group being thrown with stone…
    but I think we can’t judge them by one or two group that do that things, there’s so many misunderstanding and misconception between Islam and the world (especially western country).
    Islam hate western country….and western country see the rise of Islam as a thread…I don’t know why…
    I never agree with terrorism, and i see the thread of jihad that islam carry…and i salute geert wilder that have a balls to speak like that, it’s his rights…
    but i also see the good relationship between moslem and non moslem in my country, for example when tsunami hit aceh our nation stand together as one, helping each other to ease the burden, when there’s earthquake in Jogja it’s the same…there’s still many example that i see when moslem and non-moslem were stand together help each other..
    so please think if we use violence to confont a violence, harsh word to confront one we will never make the world better, it’s just to satisfy our passion deep inside us…
    please think , we are human that God created, clean and pure when we were born, full of love if we taught to…if you don’t agree , what will you do if you look a poor people lying in the street suffer with hunger, just imagine that…
    how many of you cry when you see a movie that present a picture of people suffer from hunger, disease, etc…
    yes, there’s love deep inside everyone, not only christian…
    and there’s hate and violance inside everyone not only moslem..
    i know what i’m saying maybe won’t mean anything to world that already been like this, but i’m hoping there’s a better future for everyone, God Bless You All…

  • Rudy

    Also, islam is derived from submission, NOT from peace. It smells like taqiyya in here. Storm-Rider, you smell that? Stinks like B.S. lol

  • Storm-Rider

    lol lol lol,

    Yes, there is good in every person, but there is also an evil tendency in every person as well.

    What you say about the good people in Islam could also be said about the good people in Germany and Japan in 1933. The goodness within the German and Japanese people did not stop Hitler and Tojo and the death of 20,000,000 soldiers and 40,000,000 civilians. That’s 60,000,000 people killed – let that sink in – let that sink in. The responsibility for this enormous evil largely lies at the feet of nations that had a lot of good people.

    Our founding fathers found out that having a number of good people in society will not prevent totalitarian evil. Goodness within the hearts of many people just isn’t good enough – it is not good enough to stop evil, mass murder and genocide. What is required is goodness within the culture of a people – good values within a culture and its government.

    Justice and goodness within a government requires that the government rules with the consent of the governed. Justice requires God-given human rights – not government derived human rights. The right to God-given life, liberty and pursuit of happiness must be declared, and that declaration must be enshrined forever – not subject to any future votes – not subject to constraint by a constitution or government of any kind – the purpose of just government is to secure God-given liberty, not become the source of liberty. Justice requires that liberty for each individual be defined as freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, right to bear arms and act in self-defense, right to own property and privacy at home, democratic elections and division of powers between executive, legislative and judicial branches of government.

    Good luck to you.

  • lol lol lol – Indonesia

    @ Rudy : hehehe :) , i’m really a Christian, I believe that Jesus is my saviour , and i’m actively preach my faith to all my friends and neighbours, sometimes by word but mostly with being example with my act and behaviour :)
    it’s hard to confront faith in public area here (indonesia), but i found out moslem people are not as scary as most of you think they are, yes there some moslem radical that suit your perception, but they are some moslem i know who curse the act of terror too..and there more of them have open heart to listen and want to understand what i’ve preach, and i know a friend of mine that have a courage to talk his faith for Jesus in bus, plane, an public areas to them and almost everytime end with the person he talk to crying (in the bus, plane or etc), if we ask why they are crying , everytime they said that their heart is touched..

    @ storm-rider
    yes i agree with you , a goodness in many people’s hearts can not compete with the badness of a culture, but if we do not start to spread love instead of hate, then who know what will happen next? I must say that i hate some teaching in Islam especially why they always forbid us to sing loudly in the cell group or church, but they can scream loud and clear with the speaker in their mosque every morning when everyone still asleep..hehehe but it didn’t give me the rights to judge them…
    no, no, i didn’t say that i know the right act and behaviour in this but all i know is what Jesus teach me to not judge other people, it’s God’s bussiness to judge them, and some of our countrymen believe that tsunami that hit aceh was one of God’s judgement.. after all there’s God watching us… if you believe, like the song ‘from a distance’ by Bette Middler said God’s watching us…

  • Storm-Rider

    lol lol lol,

    Yes, we must spread love instead of hate, but we are commanded in the Bible to hate evil – love our enemies and hate evil – these are not mutually exclusive.

    Jesus tells us not to judge others – that means not to judge their eternal souls – only God can do that. We must judge other people and other nations and other cultures in relation to ourselves as individuals, and in relation to our own nation.

    When an evil person becomes a threat to you or your family you judge them as evil, and you defend yourself and your family.

    When a foreign nation or culture becomes a threat to the life and liberty of your nation, that is if you have a free nation, then you wage just war in self-defense – in defense of life and liberty.

    Our founding fathers were Christians too, and thank God they had enormous wisdom, intelligence and common sense. I’ll stick with them – and with Jesus.

  • Khalid

    Brother Rider,

    Plz let me clear one thing first. Don’t quote or say anything for which you don’t have any reference. I will not answer any of your wordings which is only propaganda against Islam. If anything you feel belong to Islam then quote the reference otherwise I will not answer that.

    But still I tell you something important about your points in short. We will discuss one by one according to your numbering.

    1.Islam is complete way of life it give complete guidance to the follower in each and every part of life. Not just worship in masque or give charity. Whether waking up, eating, sleeping, putting on clothes, being in the presence of a woman, looking at a woman, going shopping, going to the bathroom, looking in the mirror, traveling, visiting the sick, sitting in a non-religious meeting, taking a bath, having sexual intercourse with one’s wife, yawning, cutting you nails, sneezing, greeting people, talking, hosting guests at home, walking, exercising, fighting a Battle field (Jihad), entering one’s house, praying and many other acts. Islam gives all details in each aspect which any other religion cannot.

    2. Sharia law CAN NEVER NEVER be interpreted by any religious judges. All commandments are actually came from Allah and even Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) was not allowed to make new article in faith by his own, then how comes any other judge can be allowed to do this?
    Allah say in Quran to Prophet (peace be upon Him)

    066.001 O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    3. Actually my brother you don’t know Islam in depth. Islam give 100% liberty and freedom of speech. One day the second Khalifah Umar (who was the ruler of 2.6 million KM) made a commandment that I want to fix the amount of Mahar (the amount that man have to give to woman for marriage). As people is lot of Mahar now a days. An old lady said “O Umar how can you fix the Mahar which Allah has not fixed in Quran, Allah says, a husband cannot demand to give back the Mahar amount after he divorce her even if the Mahar is heap of Gold. Heap of Gold can be small or big” Umar said, “Oh!!! Umar Forgot the lady said the truth”
    Then Umar (May Allah be Please with him) rolled back the commandment.

    What liberty and freedom of speech you demand? (sorry to say) Can under this liberty I can abuse your mother and sister and can I say that they both are prostitute woman?? I cannot even say more dirty words even for example. Because I am Muslim, there should be limit under shadow of liberty and freedom of speech.

    If you say that you have full rights in freedom of speech then why you people have been banned to talk about Holocaust? Is it what you say freedom of speech?

    4. This is white lie that Islam permits lies and violence to spread Islam. Even Allah says clearly in Quran,
    Allah giving the commandments to make friend from those who are your ‘enemy’, don’t hate your enemy but deal politely.

    041.033 Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and says, “I am of those who bow to His will”?

    041.034 Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: Then (you will see) he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!

    003.104 Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: They are the ones to attain Success.

    5. Islam came for whole of humanity. Islam is nothing to do specially with USA. This religion of peace belongs to all human kind regardless color, sect, and location. This religion belong to Allah and came for whole of human kind. Allah says in Quran.

    062.002 It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered a messenger from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;-

    6. As Islam is complete way life. It also give the rules and commandments on some very serious issues. And one serious issue is what penalty should be given to that person who leaves Islam.
    First of all, Islam gives an open option to any non-believer to accept Islam or Reject Islam. Even if he can take years to make research on islam before accepting islam. No compulsion on him to accept it. Allah says in Quran.

    002.256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

    088.021 Therefore (O Prophet) do thou give admonition, for thou art one to admonish.
    088.022 Thou art not one to manage (men’s) affairs.
    088.023 But if any turn away and reject Allah,-
    088.024 Allah will punish him with a mighty Punishment,
    088.025 For to Us will be their return;
    088.026 Then it will be for Us to call them to account.

    It was Jews plot to become Muslim apparently and then after few days revert back to Jews again so that those who are true muslim can start thinking why they reverted back to jews, do they knew some thing against islam?

    This was the scheme that they plotted. So Allah gave orders clearly till day of judgment that if any body want to be muslim he or she should make fully research and can take years for that. And no body can force him or her to accept islam. But when he or she become muslim, its not allowed to revert back to save other muslim to become confused.

    8. its white lie..give me reference then we will talk abt it.

    9. For your kind information the homosexuality was banned few years ago. Its now slowly and slowly becoming legal in many countries.
    I think people should leave these countries, because who knows? If one day the “homosexuality” become compulsory to stay there in these country ………….

    I THINK YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT ITS BETTER TO GIVE STRICT PUNISHMENT TO THE HOMOSEXUAL RATHER THAN SPREADING THE DISEASES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
    IF YOU MURDER ONLY ONE AS PUNUSHMENT of homosexuality I think we can save life of millions of people from dying due to AIDS.
    Plz keep this disease in your countries only and don’t let this disease come in our holy countries.

    10. its also white lie, give me reference then we will talk.

    11. Shria law does not allow at all in murdering of any non-mulsim unless two reasons. Read the verse.

    005.032 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

    I pray from Allah to show you the right path.

  • Rizwan

    Brother Khalid,
    you are right they are all illiterate regarding Islam. They just know those thing which is showing by the Media. If they want to know the right about Islam they would have to study the Holy Quran.
    I personally think that they are just worried of Islamization which is spreading all over the world rapidly and no one can stop it.

    Finally , I would like to appreciate your effort to give the Answer of their Questions

  • Rudy

    Khalid

    You are full of crap. There is NO freedom of speech in islam.

    Here is one proof – http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200804/CUL20080402b.html

    Threatening people over a video that makes fun of a backwards cult from the 7th century?

    But you are right in one thing. Islam has NOTHING to do with the USA. The USA represents FREEDOM to say what you will. Feel free to insult my mother, at least she doesn’t worship a pedophile terrorist like you do.

    I have done all the research I need to on islam, and I will NEVER accept that barbaric cult.

  • AHuntrGw

    As to “…the love that Jesus spent his life teaching.” Define that love. Please. Love of…what? Who? Yes, most certainly, God loves us and wants us to be with Him, but Jesus said that He (Jesus) is the only way to get to God. (His words, not mine — John 14:6) Islam teaches that there is no god but allah, and muhammad is his prophet. We have to believe that or will perish most likely, horribly, in this life, at the hands of on of their adherents.

    So, if you’d like to think that Jesus and Muhammad are saying the same thing — OBTW, they’re NOT / NOT — consider the mark of true spiritual power: the way adherents to a given religion (for lack of a better term) respond to those not wanting to follow their line. The more the adherents raise a ruccus and call for the death of an individual because he / she doesn’t believe their religious teaching, the less real spiritual power there is therein.

    Example:

    1.) A real Christian — “Bible-believing,” etc. — shares Jesus / witnesses to someone, as all of us claiming the Name of Jesus should do. That person doesn’t accept the message, at least at that point in time. The Christian has done his duty of spreading the Word as a “sower scattering seed.” The Christian, in true Christian form, should go right to God with the matter in prayer, for God to work His Ways in the situation. (II Peter 3:9) The real Christian would not advocate lobbing off the witnessee’s head if he / she doesn’t repent. It would then be a matter between that witnessee and God Almighty. (See also I Corinthians 3:5-8)

    2.) Adherents of Islam will not respond with something like, “Okay, fine, that’s cool, maybe we’ll get to talk about it again.” No, on the contrary, this witnessee would still be a “dhmini” (please forgive the spelling error) and the adherents of Islam would eventually riot or otherwise call for, and subsequently carry out, the “penalty” for us non-believers.

    Makes me glad that I accepted the way, truth, and life that Jesus preached. The only thing that another human can do to me is kill my body, even wound my soul with unkind words. But he can NEVER / NEVER send me to hell, because he cannot touch my spirit. That belongs to Jesus. I’ve made my physical body His as well, but I still tend to take back control of it from time to time. I get His forgiveness and move on again.

    //s// AHuntrGw

  • Arif – Malaysia

    Hi Robert,

    You got the point right; the girl must at least menstruate before sexual relationship. Thank you for clarifying it, and not to forget that in Islam it must be in a marriage. Actually in rural areas of some countries, Muslim or non-Muslim, marriage at young age is still happening. There is no right and wrong here, as different communities at different places at different times have different circumstances, which we can only appreciate if we were there to understand. Let us allow the TRULY selected leaders choose the greater good for their community or nation.

    Dear All,

    This forum shows that in general non-muslims think the countries where muslims live or come from, are Islamic countries. Indeed there is not even a single Islamic country in this world currently that rules like Muhammad and his three successive generations (The Salafs). Not even come close to the next several generations (The Khalafs). After that was deterioration period and what’s left is so superficial, body without essence. Muslims nowadays in general are bankrupt physically, intellectually, emotionally and spiritually. How can they be a great example? Let alone as a country.

    As many as bad Muslims, there are many good ones too. As many as false resources about Islam, there are many true ones too. This is the age of Internet where everybody, who has the opportunity to access it like us, has a level playing field to acquire knowledge, logic and wisdom. The first step is to do justice to ourselves, read on both sides of arguments, be honest, and we will find the TRUTH!

    It is again the real enduring struggle of GOOD versus EVIL.

    Which side are you?

    Last but not least, Islam and its great principles found in the Quran, exemplary actions, words and gestures by Muhammad as recorded in the authentic Hadith, are still there preserved for everybody to study, UNDERSTAND IT IN A RIGHT CONTEXT, and be convinced that hopes for peaceful world is very promising and very near.

    Sincerely yours,

    Arif.

  • Rudy

    Arif,

    I agree with you about muslims being bankrupt in all those areas, an affliction common to all humans, regardless of race, religion, creed. The problem we have is that good muslims will not speak out against acts of terror committed by goog muslims. They are no better than the “good” Germans and Austrians who simply stood by silently as the Nazi’s murdered over 30 million civilians.

  • Khalid

    REPLY TO Geert Wilders’ Video
    Let’s discuss the verses of Quran mentioned in the Geert Wilders’ Video. Does these actually showing the same meaning??
    Before going to discuss The verses in detail. Let me tell you few examples to explain what meaning we can get quoting something out of context……
    In Islam, on every muslim its compulsory to offer prayer five times a day. Allah says in Quran.
    002.238 Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind).
    But if a person who is against offering Prayer he can say ….OHH I will not offer Prayer because Allah has made it Forbidden AND QURAN EXPLAIN TO US, “DON’T OFFER PRAYER!” He can quote following verse from Quran.
    004.043 O ye who believe! Approach not prayers!!!
    Anybody can take such wording out of context from Quran and say. Don’t pray!!! Quran has forbidden it.
    Will you believe on such kind of Person Quoting from Quran???????
    Actually Allah is saying in this verse; Don’t go near Prayer if you not fulfill few requirements until you clean.
    004.043 O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say,- nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (Except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body. ….
    SO WE CAN GET ANY MEANING FROM ANY BOOK IF QOUTING OUT OF CONTEXT.
    LET ME SAY AGAIN
    WE CAN GET ANY MEANING FROM ANY BOOK IF QOUTING OUT OF CONTEXT.
    We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the American President said, “Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.
    Lets Discuss the verses used in the Video.
    Two verses he took from Surah Al-Anfal (surah # 8)

    It was revealed in 2 A. H. after the Battle of Badr, the first battle between Islam and kufr. As it contains a detailed and comprehensive review of the Battle, it appears that most probably it was revealed at one and the same time.
    Muslim were being attacked with 1000 armed person from Makka city and they meet with Muslims in the battlefield of Badar near Madina City. Muslim were only 313 among them only 70 were equipped with sword and rest was only holding sticks, Only 2 horses and 70 camel. It was very little and ill-armed army who gave very bad defeat to Kaffir of Makka who attacked Muslim fully equipped and full of pride.
    This surah is mentioning all about this Badar War. Many commandments for the soldiers and for the army commander.
    Geert Wilders used this surah and pick verses which Allah send down during battle field of Badar to boost the mural of soldiers.
    At the start of battlefield Prophet (s.a.w) was making lot of Prays from Allah for His help. Allah mention that in the start of surah , verse 9 and 10
    On reaching the verse 15 and 16 Allah gave the following Commandments to the companion of Prophet (s.a.w) to don’t be scared , don’t show your back, fight. Just like any Army General give such commandant to his soldiers. Allah says.
    008.015 O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array of Battle, never turn your backs to them.
    008.016 If any do turn his back to them on such a day – unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!
    In all this surah the commandments and techniques of war has been briefly explained by Allah. Then by Reaching the verse 39, (which is used in the video) Allah say to the companion Prophet (s.a.w) that fight and kill them don’t be coward. Now by Reaching this verse 39 Allah says.
    008.039 And fight them on until there is no more tumult/oppression (Fitna), and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
    The verse clearly speaking by itself and meaning is so clear. Wilder , so cleverly not only pick this verse from whole commandments but also only a part of this verse. He even not used full verse. Because if he use full verse the verse itself explaining about “cease of war”, This war is allowed only until they “cease”, if they not cease the war then keep on fight and kill them.
    Now we keep going ahead of the surah.
    By Reaching Verse 46 and 47, Allah giving commandments to the companion of Prophet s.a.w The be Firm in war and keep remembrance of Allah and keep obeying the Prophet as Army General so that you remain like a unit in Battlefield.
    After many commandments regarding battlefield one most important commandment was to collect maximum possible power with weapon, horses etc so that when next time this kind of attack on city comes your position in equipment and weapon should not be that weak.
    Allah says in verse 60
    008.060 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah does know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
    And next verse Allah explain more details. Inclined towards PEACE!!! if the enemy also incline towards Peace.
    008.061 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
    Now Wilder only pick verse 60 for that video proving some surprise thing from it. Totally different kind of meaning he is wishing to Get from this verse totally out of context.

    We can only Pray…O Allah give them light of Islam so that they can also prosper.

    (Remaining verses used in the Video will be discussed in next episode insha Allah)

  • Rudy

    Khalid,

    None of what you wrote changes the fact that muslims commit acts of terror every day in the name of islam, and cite the quran as their motivation. Stop wasting time telling us lies, we know islam is a violent cult. Muslims PROVE that every day with their actions.

  • Khalid

    Lets talk about remaining three verses used in the Video
    Chapter 47 Surah Muhammad Verse number 4

    Wilder very cleverly again pick few initial wording of the verse to completely change the whole meaning of verse. Getting the surprise meaning from it.
    The translation of some part of the verse he used in video is as under.

    “Therefore when you meet the unbelievers, Smite at their necks and when ye have caused a bloodbath among them bind a bound firmly on them“
    Now the exact verse with exact translation is as under.

    So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, smite the necks; then, when you have overcome them, make (them) prisoners, and afterwards (set them free) as a favour or for ransom till the war lay down its burdens…..47:4

    This passage mentions the only case in which prisoners of war can be taken, and thus condemns the practice of slavery, according to which men could be seized anywhere and sold into slavery. Here we are told that prisoners of war can only be taken after meeting an enemy in regular battle, and even in that case they must be set free, either as a favour or after taking ransom. It was the former of these alternatives that the Holy Prophet adopted in most cases; for instance, in the case of the prisoners of the Bani Musaliq war, in which a hundred families were set at liberty, and in the case of Hawazin war, in which fully six thousand prisoners of war were released merely as an act of favour. Only in the case of the seventy prisoners taken at Badr war, where there is mention of redemption having been taken, but this was when Islam was very weak and the powerful enemy was determined to crush it
    Anybody can clearly see what actually the verse explaining is good for humanity but Wilder use the verse as if it is against humanity, that what we can do if quoting out of context.

    The remaining two verses were taken by Wilder from Chapter 4 Surah An-Nisah

    004.056 Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
    I thing if a person have little knowledge about Islam or even a child can understand that this verse is not related about worldly life its about Hereafter. Verse saying that those who will not believe in Allah, The only Lord of Worlds, such persons will be put in Hell Fire. This is same message which is being given by all Messengers including Moses and Jesus and Jews and Christian believe in it.
    What a surprise that “Mr” Wilder use such verse to prove islam promote violence, which is clearly not the meaning of the verse.

    Last verse used in the video by Wilder is verse number 89 chapter 4 Surah An-Nisah

    This Verse is actually against Wilder’s ideology but still so silliness he is using the verse which actually showing great favor for humanity. its talking about hypocrites, a hypocrite is just like a spy who apparently look devotee or patriot but actually he is supporter of enemy. So what is the ruling for that kind of persons in Islam? Allah explaining this in the following verses.

    004.088 Why should you, then, be two parties in relation to the hypocrites while Allah has made them return (to disbelief) for what they have earned? Do you desire to guide him whom Allah leaves in error? And whomsoever Allah leaves in error thou canst not find a way for him
    004.089 They wish that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved so that you might be on the same level; so take not from among them friends until they flee (their homes) in Allah’s way. Then if they turn back (to hostility), seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take no friend nor helper from among them,
    004.090 Except those who join a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you and fight you not and offer you peace, then Allah allows you no way against them (to war against them)

    The verses showing clearly that even hypocrites (Munafiq) were not to be killed or fought against if they refrained from fighting, though they may have gone over to disbelief after accepting Islam. Note also that here Allah clearly commanded that if any people offered peace, they were not to be fought against.

    Islam is a complete way of life and a beautiful religion. We pray for all those who still not believe that may Allah let them become honest with themselves and help them to see the light of Islam before their death.

  • Khalid

    Lets talk about remaining three verses used in the Video
    Chapter 47 Surah Muhammad Verse number 4

    Wilder very cleverly again pick few initial wording of the verse to completely change the whole meaning of verse. Getting the surprise meaning from it.
    The translation of some part of the verse he used in video is as under.

    “Therefore when you meet the unbelievers, Smite at their necks and when ye have caused a bloodbath among them bind a bound firmly on them“
    Now the exact verse with exact translation is as under.

    So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, smite the necks; then, when you have overcome them, make (them) prisoners, and afterwards (set them free) as a favour or for ransom till the war lay down its burdens…..47:4

    This passage mentions the only case in which prisoners of war can be taken, and thus condemns the practice of slavery, according to which men could be seized anywhere and sold into slavery. Here we are told that prisoners of war can only be taken after meeting an enemy in regular battle, and even in that case they must be set free, either as a favour or after taking ransom. It was the former of these alternatives that the Holy Prophet adopted in most cases; for instance, in the case of the prisoners of the Bani Musaliq war, in which a hundred families were set at liberty, and in the case of Hawazin war, in which fully six thousand prisoners of war were released merely as an act of favour. Only in the case of the seventy prisoners taken at Badr war, where there is mention of redemption having been taken, but this was when Islam was very weak and the powerful enemy was determined to crush it
    Anybody can clearly see what actually the verse explaining is good for humanity but Wilder use the verse as if it is against humanity, that what we can do if quoting out of context.

    The remaining two verses were taken by Wilder from Chapter 4 Surah An-Nisah

    004.056 Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

    I thing if a person have little knowledge about Islam or even a child can understand that this verse is not related about worldly life its about Hereafter. Verse saying that those who will not believe in Allah, The only Lord of Worlds, such persons will be put in Hell Fire. This is same message which is being given by all Messengers including Moses and Jesus and Jews and Christian believe in it.
    What a surprise that “Mr” Wilder use such verse to prove islam promote violence, which is clearly not the meaning of the verse.

    Last verse used in the video by Wilder is verse number 89 chapter 4 Surah An-Nisah

    This Verse is actually against Wilder’s ideology but still so silliness he is using the verse which actually showing great favor for humanity. its talking about hypocrites, a hypocrite is just like a spy who apparently look devotee or patriot but actually he is supporter of enemy. So what is the ruling for that kind of persons in Islam? Allah explaining this in the following verses.

    004.088 Why should you, then, be two parties in relation to the hypocrites while Allah has made them return (to disbelief) for what they have earned? Do you desire to guide him whom Allah leaves in error? And whomsoever Allah leaves in error thou canst not find a way for him
    004.089 They wish that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved so that you might be on the same level; so take not from among them friends until they flee (their homes) in Allah’s way. Then if they turn back (to hostility), seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take no friend nor helper from among them,
    004.090 Except those who join a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you and fight you not and offer you peace, then Allah allows you no way against them (to war against them)

    The verses showing clearly that even hypocrites (Munafiq) were not to be killed or fought against if they refrained from fighting, though they may have gone over to disbelief after accepting Islam. Note also that here Allah clearly commanded that if any people offered peace, they were not to be fought against.

    Islam is a complete way of life and a beautiful religion. We pray for all those who still not believe that may Allah let them become honest with themselves and help them to see the light of Islam before their death.

  • Allah-Ho-Suwar

    Khalid ; Every sensible Human beings unlike Inhuman Muslims know ” How Evil Islamists are Acting” not how you Muslim apologists are interpreting Evil Islam( as religion of PISS) According to your Evil Book of prostitution called Qu’rand.

    You “hypocrites (Munafiq)” do some readings of your Fu’kin Unholy Qu’rand.

  • khalid

    Suwar! after reading my comments and your comments any body can know who is talking like “inhuman”, people can see what is the diffirance in talk between a muslim and non-muslim after seeing your words…i can only pray for you

  • solehah

    the way you act is same like a Lucifer kind of satan! the world want peace, but the west always accuse us with terrorism, hey wilders you haven’t study the whole Quran and islam and yet you made the muslim, the majority in the world hate you more and more! we never disturb the west and the jewish also, just because we stay calm you simply think we can be fool…. is this your most joyful april fool? you’ll regret what you`ve done, satanic wilders!!!

  • solehah

    our prophet is the most best human in the world and he did’nt teach us the way of terrorism. we’ll fight to defend ourself, ok you`ve said that islam is the `terrorism`, all muslim act crazily, but is christian is good enough? answer me,with the non-understandable trinity of jesus, are you going to make the world notice christian as a holy religion? don’t you know that the concept of trinity is mad? it’s also getting you mad !

  • solehah

    go back to home and study both your great unholy bible and the quran of muslim’s, try to differentiate them, you fool! have you finished studying bijbellezingen? are you an expert in christian ?

  • solehah

    wilders and his bosom friends forever, robert try to create havoc in a dangerous situation..malaysia also bans your country’s product, let your government suffer..

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  • Allah-Ho-Suwar

    Khalid! you are praying for me : there is no doubt; as you are Praying for ALLAH-HO-SUWAR Only Inhuman Moooslims like you can pray for Allah who is nothing but a PIG.BTW most of your comments are Copy/Paste only.

    Want to learn more about Evil Islam visit.

  • http://deleted solehah

    rudy you have not understand our Koran yet. the word WE in the koran symbolises a great power, or the word we it shows power, if Allah says He is one, it is single and can be challenged, but He uses we to show His strength and His kingdom. and, excuse me, where did you get those story about muhammad was a paedophile, have you seen him alive? then how do you know his actions? using magic,eh? you don’t even know or meet him before, how can you tell such a fairy tale…opps maybe the story is one of tha fairy tale your father used to tell before bedtime. such a fairy tale cannot be trusted. ohh yea, another question, how many centuries you take to study about islam and tell people abotu this nonsense stuff? or you just want to say that christian is better, from what side, liberalism? without any faith in god? listen, the late anna nicole smith was a CHRISTIAN, lack of faith in God forces her to take a great amount of drug and killed herself. Or, CHRISTIAN encourages lie if enjoyment without any barrier, for example having sex in front of the public\ internet similarly like ANIMAL!! where are the christian’s shameness? lost with the cat that always make love everywhere? tell me, why are the Father are forced not to be married, as marriage is a must in every normal human?

  • Jeff

    Solehah, Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her and 9 when he had sex with her. How is this not pedophilia?

  • khalid

    Mr.Jeff,
    Keep this thing in mind! that marriage does not only mean “Sex”, Marriage is a holy relation and Prophethood is big responsiblity, the most beloved wife of Prophet was Ayesha, she became a student of islam under Prophet’s kind teachings on her very early age, that’s because the knowledge at the age of child is like line on stone.
    Ayesha who became Prophet’s student only at the age of 9, became a big source of knowledge after Prophet’s Death. and all most famous scholar and companion of Prophet were always refer towards Ayesha (May Allah please with her) after Prophet’s death on very critical issues.

    You people mind only fill with Sex! you people life starts from sex and end from sex, nothing else can come in you people’s mind.

    When Prophet Muhammad was only 25 years old (at this age level all power of sex should be at peak in every person), he got marriage with 40 years old lady who was widower towice, then untill that lady remain alive Prophet did not marry with any one else. and after her death and when Prophet’s age was 50 years old (when almost all sex needs gone away) Prophet did marry with remaining wives, if it was only for sex when why not Prophet married in his youth age?

    Prophet’s most of Marriages are belong to spreading of Islamic knowledge to all tribes of Arab.
    if you will wish i will tell you all marriages and its background and purpose behind the marriage.

    Do think other than sex!!! many things here in this world more valueable.

  • elle

    to khalid -
    first off, i want to say that i am a christian, and my faith is also very important to me. like you said, it affects 100% of my life – it is the lens through which i see everything. i do not believe we worship the same God, but rather than get into a long theological discussion, i want to actually say thank you!

    islam is an extremely emotional topic of conversation, and many people in my country (USA) live in a real terror because of past memories, loss of loved ones and the fear of future devastation and cruelty as well. because this has happened to us, and because of what we still see every day (even though it may be only a certain section of islam), many people on this forum have replied in vitriolic and yes, hateful, messages against islam, and you have answered gently and patiently with long explanations from the quran and your own thoughts. you have such earnest and kind responses and have refused to return insults. thank you for responding like this, continuing to reach out to others when they seem closed off.

    i hope that you, too, will continue your own search for truth. if you ask God to reveal Himself to you…show you who He really is…He will.

    May you experience God’s great love for you.

  • khalid

    Dear Brother elle!

    I do respect of your all comments and appreciating words. May we all feel the need to be positive in approach while discussing any issue

    Brother you said “i do not believe we worship the same God”, but I believe according to Bible and Quran me and you must have to worship only one God, the Almighty. That’s what both Jesus and Muhammad said according to Bible and Quran.
    Just like Muhammad (SAW), Jesus (peace be upon Him) too said the same.

    “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
    [The Bible, John 5:30]

    Allah said to Prophet Muhammad to explain this.

    Say(O Muhammad) : “I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me.” Say: “can the blind be held equal to the seeing?” Will ye then consider not? (Al-Quran 006.050)

    Every Christian is bound to obey the commandments and do righteous deeds to get salvation.
    Jesus said it very clearly,
    “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [The Bible, Mathew 5:17]
    Same thing in Quran, All Muslim has to follow the law of all Prophets
    The Messenger (Muhammad) believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. “We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers.” And they say: “We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.” (al-Quran 002.285)
    Every Muslim has to follow the commandments to get salvation. While sending Adam to earth Allah gave this clear statement to Adam and all coming humans.

    We said: “Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

    “But those who reject Faith and believe not on Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein.” (Al-Quran 002.038-039)

    When Prophet Moses came he preached the main basic creed
    The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):
    “Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad”.
    It is a Hebrew quotation which means:
    “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord”
    [The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]

    When Jesus came he approved the Moses statement as Jesus came to fulfill the previous Prophet’s law.
    One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:
    “Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad.”
    “Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
    [The Bible, Mark 12:29]
    Same what Quran says.

    Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
    Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
    He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
    And there is none like unto Him.
    (Al-Qur’an, 112.001-004)

    The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah God almighty says.
    “I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.”
    [The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]
    “I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me.”
    [The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]
    “I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.”
    [The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]

    And according to book of Deuteronomy
    “Thou shalt have none other gods before me.”
    [The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7]

    Same massage in Quran.

    022.073 O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!

    Dear brother, according to Moses in Old Testament, Jesus in New Testament and Muhammad in Final and Last Testament …………our lord, our creator, our sustainer, our savior is One and Only one GOD

    That’s what You and Me must Believe to get salvation.

  • http://deleted solehah

    pedophilia occurs when a man uses his strength on a girl. if Muhammad is apedophilia, then why did He marry only aishah?

  • http://deleted solehah

    khalid, use your skill to give this people a sense of realize. i’m supporting you from back.

  • http://deleted solehah

    dear rudy, there is the freedom of speech in islam, but at least it won’t make a sense of sensitive, we are encouraged to speak whatever we want, but in orderly, properly manner. but, think first before you wish to say something… people are similar through their physical structures only, but through their faith, it is different. there are rules to speak, with teachers, parents, for example, we are not allowed to say or speak harshly as they taught us knowledge without barrier, parents also risked themselves to raise and feed us. same like a country filled with multiracial people, to avoid ethnic war, any racial issues from another ethnic must not happen, or illegal

  • khalid

    Yes my dear brother Solehah, May Allah give you reward of all your efforts for this beautiful religion Islam.
    its our duty to do this jihad in spreading The Truth.
    Allah says in Quran.

    003.104 Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: They are the ones to attain salvation.

    003.110 Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book(Jews and Christian) had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

  • Robert, Ireland

    Solehah, a freedom of speech that is limited by what one group finds offensive is not a freedom of speech, it is a manifesto. You say “To avoid ethnic war, any racial issues from another ethnic (group) must not happen, or illegal.”
    So what exactly do you call groups of people marching on the streets in Islamic and unfortunately Western cities calling for the death of people who have exercised their God-given right to free speech? That is offensive to westerners in case you haven’t noticed, but I have yet to see you condemn those people for spreading hatred.
    Khalid, you just take the biscuit. You call Christians and Jews perverted transgressors, and yet in Iraq, in Baquba a muslim suicide bomber killed over 45 people at a funeral of 2 Sunni’s who were fighting against Al Qaida. All those people killed were muslims!
    How is that not a perversion of this so-called Faith of Peace?
    Unfortunately for you and your ilk, the west is waking up to your evil intentions and the grassroot resistance movements are starting to take shape.
    I believe America will be the backbone of this resistance and those of us in Europe that believe in Freedom will not give up quietly without a fight.
    If Islam insists on perpetrating acts of terror on our soil, then beware. We are not afraid to get down in the gutter with you and turn your own methods against you.
    Those hate filled Imams who preach Jihad just might find themselves in front of a video camera, and not one operated by the goddamn MSM dhimmis.

  • khalid

    Dear Robert,

    Being positive in approach is the need of time. To blame or make propaganda are the easiest activities and a very good weapon of this modern era. That what western countries doing against Islam.
    About Baquba a Muslim suicide bomber killed over 45 people at a funeral, I think it should be a good news for you people, that’s what Americans wish. The same strategy of “Divide and Rule” Americans have adopted which once British had adopted. Its very clear that if this division and civil war was not erupted then long time ago the America would have gotten very bad defeat and being expelled from Iraq.
    This is now an “Open Secret” Americans want to loot the Oil, and these dacoits are using every options to stay there in Iraq even if they have to adopt the policy of divide and Rule and thousands of people dying due to this. Americans hands are red with the blood of Iraqis. There was no such war among Muslims before American attack.

    If you know the history then you will realize that most terrorist attacks were only done by the non-muslim and muslim were never been blamed about this before.
    A large number of terrorist acts in the 20th and 21st century were committed by non-Muslims.
    The so-called global phenomenon of “Islamic terrorism/militant Islam” was a creation of the western governments and their media outlets.
    “Politics lies at the heart of labeling Muslims across the globe as perpetrators of terror acts,”

    “in Bible the Book of Numbers says whoever worships other than God should be killed,”, referring to the Bible, yet such militant verses were conveniently ignored by the Western media.
    According to Bible in the book of Samuel 15:3 God says.
    “Now go, attack the amalekites and totally destroy everything that belong to them, Do not spare them; Put to death men and women, Children and infants, Cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys” Samuel 15:3
    There are so many verses in bible promoting violence if we quote them out of context.

    Actually, No religion encourages terrorist acts or violence. The word ‘Islam’ itself means ‘Peace, obtained by submitting yourself to the Almighty’. Anyone, be it Muslim or non-Muslim, who kills an innocent Muslim or a non-Muslim, kills the entire humanity. However, Islam goes a step further to say that if one saves innocent lives, the whole of humanity is saved.
    Injustice is the root cause of terrorism.
    Palestinians are called terrorists just because they are fighting to get their land back. LTTE (in Sri Lanka), IRA (in UK), Lord’s Salvation Army, which trains the young children to conduct terrorist attacks, and many other non-Muslim terrorist outfits, the lives claimed by these outfits are more than the ones by the Muslim terrorists.
    Naxalites/Maoists across India and the LTTE in Sri Lanka were non- Muslim terror organizations, which had developed pan regional bases beyond national boundaries. Other such non-Muslim terror outfits included the United Liberation Front of Asom, National Democratic Front of Bodoland and All Tripura Tiger Force in the Northeast.

    the Japanese Red Army, Lord’s Salvation Army and the ETA in Spain were also non-Islamic in character and composition.
    “So nothing is more removed from truth as to suggest that Muslims have monopolized terrorism,”. Irish Republican Army, which was considered to be terrorist group, has a history of 100 years of violence against the British, but the British government doesn’t seem to be scared about them as they are about radical Islamic groups.

    “Even a single killing by a Muslim is condemned by Islam, whatsoever the reasons.”
    This is what the religion of Peace

    Quran says.

    005.032 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

  • jen tha rednek

    Khalid, comparing the IRA to Islamic terrorist is ridiculous! The Irish were not trying to take over the world, they just wanted the British to respect them and their land! I want Islam to respect me and my land but I am a female and according to the rubbish in the Koran, I’m only half a citizen and an infidel none the less. However in America, where everyone is entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, I matter! The argument is not about religion, it is about basic human rights and dignity, which Islamic fundamentalists wouldn’t recognize if it sat on their face!! SNAP!

  • solehah

    hi robert,
    listen we are muslim brothers who want people understand islam more and better. we are not spreading lies or fitna. the missionary uses their skill to make islam bad. christian missionary 1946 plan to convert all muslim into christian because they want to weaken islam. they use secularism or separating the world from religious believe. the demostration on the street is made because there is no appropriate action taken on the problems we’ve faced. another country also approves demonstration? then how you stopped us from doing the same. wilders made us really angry and alter the true meaning of quran our holy book. that’s why we carry out demonstration. we never disturb or talk about any of the bible’ sect
    such as matthew. luke or barnaba or andrew and differentiate between islam and christian. why geert wilders did such things, or is it just for power and popularity, publicity? why america accused us after the tragedy of 911? why didnt they accuse another extremist group or warren jeffs? why us?

  • Khalid

    Dear Jen!

    Does Islam degrade women?

    The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media.
    Before we going any further let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam
    In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust
    The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of
    women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied
    basic human dignity:
    a. Babylonian Civilization:
    The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian
    law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife
    was put to death.
    b. Greek Civilization:
    Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations.
    Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and
    were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called
    ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks
    considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of
    women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks
    were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution
    became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.
    c. Roman Civilization:
    When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the
    right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common
    amongst the Romans.
    d. Egyptian Civilization:
    The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.
    e. Pre-Islamic Arabia:
    Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and
    very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.
    Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women
    Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of
    exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour.
    Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually
    degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies
    who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers,
    hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.
    USA has one of the highest rates of rape
    United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries
    of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the
    world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average
    1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said
    that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The
    year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans
    got ‘bolder’ in the following years.
    Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijab is followed in America. Whenever
    a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his
    mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijab, that is the
    complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After
    this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such
    a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or
    will it decrease?

    According to the Oxford dictionary, ‘Women’s Rights are the rights, that promote a position of social and legal equality, of women to men’
    Islam’s radical revolutionary support, gave women their due right and status in the days of ignorance… 1,400 years ago.

    Approximately one fifth of the world’s population, consists of Muslims’
    There are different Muslim societies – Some may be close to Islam, some may be far away from Islam
    The ‘Women’s rights in Islam’ should judged according to the authentic sources, and not what individual Muslims do, or what the Muslim society does.
    The authentic sources of Islam, are the Qur’an, which is the word of God, and the authentic Sunnah, and the traditions of our beloved Prophet (may peace be upon him) which is called “Hadith”.

    As far as ‘Women’s rights’ are concerned, we can divide them into 6 broad categories.
    The first are ‘the Spiritual rights’, second are ‘the Economical rights’, third are ‘the Social rights’, fourth are ‘the Educational rights’, fifth are ‘the Legal rights’, and last are ‘the Political rights’.

    Islam gives all these rights to a women equal to men 1400 years ago, to go into detail is not required here, but I will definitely refer you some material about this.

    There is lot of material available but I think for your easiness you can go and visit

    http://www.irf .net/irf/download/index.htm

    (remove the space between “irf” and “.net”)

  • jen tha rednek

    A rapist does not rape b/c of the woman, it is b/c of his own inadeqaucies. If a man cannot handle the temptation of a woman, then he is no man he is an animal.

  • Robert, Ireland

    Solehah, the reason the whole world blames Islamic terrorists for 9/11 is because all of the hijackers have been identified as muslims.
    Protesting is one thing, peaceful protests are indeed a freedom of speech, but calling for death to whomsoever disagrees with the Islamic vision of the whole world united under Sharia law, that isn’t peaceful protest.
    Khalid, the IRA.
    Two points.
    The original IRA, as founded by General Michael Collins was fighting a war with the British Army who were illegally occupying Ireland. They never trained children to blow themselves up, targeted civilians and they engaged in proper engagements while wearing uniforms when necessary. It was never based on religious lines, one of the greatest Irish Patriots, Wolfe Tone, was a Protestant.
    The “modern” IRA is a terrorist organisation that, while deserving to be wiped off of the face of the earth was nowhere near as callous as Islamic terrorsits. They have also disbanded, disarmed and gone into power-sharing with their old enemies, the Loyalist terrorists.
    Even that conflict was between those that wanted The six counties of Northern Ireland To re-unite with The Republic of Ireland, (Eireann go Breadh!) and those who wanted the six counties to remain part of the United Kingdom. Religion was just used as a handy media inspired partition.
    Jen, I have to agree with you, a real man doesn’t rape, and NO woman deserves to be raped just because of what she is wearing.
    Only a cowardly rapist and paedophile would blame the victim for their own twisted desires and, as you so rightly point out, inadequacies.

  • solehah

    sorry jeff i hadnt reply your question. the prophet didnt marry aisha at 6, but around 14 until 17years old.ulema have 35 hadith to prove this statement.khadija is around 28 years old when muhd marry her. all of muhd `s wives were old, age around 50 years and above. if he is a sex maniac,t hen he can simply marry younger women. but his wives,xcluding aisha n khadija were old

  • solehah

    i`m sorry robert, looks like youve lost some news.reopen 911 told that almost 5000 jews who work in wtc new york were not working that day. a few minutes before the tragedy, bush said that there will be a great massive destruction, he alsotold the press or reporter that he had seen the tragedy and described it vividly ten minutes bfore the collision going on air. the rescue team heard some explosion inside the building…it means there`re bombs planted inside the building.the founder of 911 concludes that the tragedy was a smooth plan by whitehouse to gain stock of crude oil due to an internal economic crisis in usa

    can you make a research on your own about this organization? youll understand what has happened in 911

  • Storm-Rider

    solehah,

    “a few minutes before the tragedy, bush said that there will be a great massive destruction”

    Our President knew nothing of this attack beforehand.

    “the rescue team heard some explosion inside the building…it means there`re bombs planted inside the building.”

    No, what they heard was either the noise from structural failure of steel beams, or possibly nearby explosions set off by some of your Islamic Jihad friends.

    You are a liar, and lying in regards to the Islamo-Fascist attack on my country on September 11, 2001 makes you the enemy of the United States. You’re lying rhetoric and propaganda provides aid and comfort to the evil Islamic Jihadists and to those like yourself who agitate for the evil of Islamic Sharia Law.

    solehah, you are not an innocent peace-loving Muslim; you are our enemy.

  • solehah

    o god, this is jimmy carter`s research,well-known news in your country…aiyoo…why dont you think…if and IF im a liar, then what your country have done in abu ghraib, please? and what`s her name, somewhat england like that… you know it is an uncivilized act,huh? o god, what`s the use of modernization in USA, with a monkey-like defence system…you`re not studying before you speak…we`re not using emotional expression,dude… we`re using KNOWLEDGE…check your bible once more…try asking reporters on 911. study please

  • Storm-Rider

    Where is your reference to Jimmy Carter’s research on this subject so we can check it out; and, who said Jimmy Carter is not a liar also?

    Here’s the research and the proof that you are lying about the 9-11 attack on my country.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

    http://www.videosift.com/video/Penn-Teller-911-Conspiracy-Theory-Bullshit

    http://thatsjuststupid.com/911.htm

    Here’s a conspiracy theory for you: Islamic Terrorists, as a part of the worldwide Islamo-Fascist Alliance against America, trained Islamic Jihad Warriors to fly American jets into American buildings. We haven’t forgotten about this, and we are going to defeat you both in politics and in battle. Our Declaration of Independence and Constitution will defeat your Islamic Sharia Law; our Military forces will defeat your Islamic Jihadis. solehah, you are a liar about the 9-11 Islamo-Fascist attack on the United States of America, and you are therefore our enemy.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5435311044755464205&hl=en

    If you want to see real torture and real murder – look at your Islamo-Fascist Alliance.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=20919

  • Rudy

    Abu ghraib was a situation where terrorists were humiliated and mocked by US Soldiers who behaved irresponsibly. No one cares. At least we didnt cut the terrorists heads off and chant “In God’s name” like your haji buddies do when they decapitate an infidel. And the use of modernization is lost on you, being the backwards minded muslim that you are. You claim to use knowledge, yet you display nothing but lies, intolerance and ignorance. We have studied. That is why we know islam must be destroyed. It is a death cult, muslims worship a pedophile, who condoned terrorism, robbery, murder, and rape.

  • Batool

    Dear Rudy and Storm- Rider,
    I am a muslim girl.You all asked if we condemn the terrorist attacks in the western countries by those called muslims terrorists,and the ANSWER IS YES WE DO CONDEMN THEM and actually we don’t consider them real muslims,because they are killing innocent people and destroy the right image and the truth of our religion.we condemn 9/11 and all the attacks in the west.
    but please note that i differentiate between tow types of who you are calling muslim terrorists, the first type is: the muslims who kill and commit murders in the west countries to innocent people and these muslims are as i said are not considered real muslims by us and like you said we consider them TERRORISTS.
    the second type is the muslims who fight foreign soldiers in their home countrey in order to gain back their freedom ( such as in Iraq and Palestine) and this is Jihad to defend one’s country and they are considered real muslims and heroes.
    as well as we condemn the war crimes committed by the American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanestan,and come on admit it, everybody knows that America is in Iraq only to steal its oil. and the soldiers are committing awful crimes but you don’t hear about it in your media and don’t tell me that you have knowledge you don’t know the real situation unless you live in Iraq.
    and even though the American Army is committing the most awful crimes of killing innocents in Iraq and Afghanestan, you never hear us say that ALL AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS, and never hear us say that all Christians are criminals. so please stop offending our most beloved prophet, you may not love him you and you are free to do that but without offending him.
    and as you noticed Khaled and Solehah and any muslim here had never offended Christianity or any chrsitian or Jesus because we respect and believe in Jesus as prophet not as a God. anyway,there are many differences in our religions but we should both respect each other,and as i told you we condemn those who kill western people and we do not agree with them and we think they are wrong.
    The majority of people in the Moslim Countries believe the same, and as you know every nation have good people and bad people and Moslim nation is the same, just don’t belive these twisted and sick people who commit crimes in the name of Allah,because they are crazy and Allah and Islam doesn’t support what they are doing.so don’t connect between the two.

    by the way, Khaled you are a truly respectful and dignified Muslim who represents the right and beautiful image of Muslims.

    Thank you for reading.

  • Storm-Rider

    Batool,
    Murder is always evil, and I believe you are correct in that a few American soldiers are guilty – they should be prosecuted for murder, and if guilty, they should be severely punished.

    It is not true that our troops are guilty in general – that is a lie. The large number of innocents killed in Iraq and Afghanistan were murdered by Islamic terrorists – not American soldiers. The terrorists hide among women and children – and that is evil – and that always results in tragedy when the battle comes.

    Our soldiers came to Afghanistan and Iraq to free the people from the evils of Islamic political tyranny and from Fascist state tyranny – not to steal oil – that is another lie. We buy oil like everyone else. We are at war with the international Islamo-Fascist alliance, not with ordinary Muslims who reject the evil of murdering Sharia Law and murdering Islamic Jihad.

    I am all for your right to worship in your Muslim way – no problem there. In order to have peace with the United States, however, you must reject the evils of Islamic Sharia Law and Offensive Islamic Jihad & Terrorism. Islam is contaminated by Totalitarian Sharia Law just as Nazi Germany was contaminated by Totalitarian Nazi Law. Islam is contaminated by murdering Jihad just a Nazi Germany was contaminated by the SS and the Gestapo. Keep your religion, but leave the rest behind.

    Batool, because of your lies I’m led to believe that you are a supporter of the evil Islamo-Fascist alliance, and are therefore our enemy.

  • jen tha rednek

    Batool, We have our own oil we don’t have to steal it but if we want to, we will. I am saddened by your situation, I wish you could experience the joys of true freedom but sadly you are a Muslim. You have been raised to believe the propaganda of your religion against all open minded thinking. I have access to unlimited amounts of information and I can say what I want, where I want, how I want because I am an American (Southern by the Grace of God).

  • Batool

    Dear Storm-Rider and Jen tha rednek
    Well it seems that this is a futile discussion,you people are the ones who ARE SOOOOOO closed minded you are not open minded as you claim and thats obvious by the way you are talking like (you are our enemy, the Crusade wars) you seem to be just like the islamic terrorists you are speaking about,the Crusade wars in the past attacked nations and killed them to spread Christianity so you want to do it again!! then why are you condemning the Islamic terrorists then? because its not killing in the name of Christianity?
    the other point is that the American government is a greedy government, i know you have your oil but hey,if you can get for free why not.and the proof that America is stealing Iraqi oil is that Iraq have the biggest oil reservation in the world and yet after three years of the American occupation, Iraq now has an OIL CRISIS!!so you are the one who tells lies. and by the way why every time your lovely President Bush visits a foreign country there will be protests against his visit all over the country and don’t tell me its just in Islamic countries no in Taiwan and Mexico and other countries,I will tell you why, because America won’t just leave people alone to live in peace!
    and Storm-Rider,please! Your soldiers came to Afghanistan and Iraq to free the people from the evils of Islamic political tyranny, we didn’t ask for your help. WHY DON”T YOU JUST LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE! and try fixing your own countries where there is the biggest rates of crimes,rapes,poverty, murders and the most awful crimes we never heard of and Racism at least we in Arab Muslim countries aren’t racist toward black people like you.
    And Jen tha rednek, you know what I am Free and i am proud to be A Muslim, you are the ones who are imprisoned to their mundane needs and sexual pleasures without any intellectual or spiritual values or any purpose in life thats why you have a big suicide rate in your countries,So i am saddened for you, you are spiritually empty and i thank god every day that i am Muslim,Freedom for you is to Insult anyone you want ,having sex with strangers and cursing any one you wish to thats your freedom,sorry but thats not freedom thats IMMORALITY so i am the one who pities you.
    And actually before i read your comments i always thought that American people are ignorant and don’t have any idea about the world outside their country but now you have just proved my point by your ignorant childish comments.
    By the way i don’t care if you consider me your enemy or evil. i don’t and won’t consider you my enemy,cause your are niether fit nor equal to me to be my enemy, you can’t raise up to that statue.
    and Jen tha rednek, you said if you want the oil you will steal it! you really proved my point that you are an immoral nation,individuals don’t have any morality!! GOOD FOR YOU and you want to spread democracy and morality around the world….hehehe you are really funny! try spreading it in America first.
    So at the end i suggest you to leave us alone with our Evil islam and Islamic political tyranny,why do you care about us to come and save us we are after all EVIL people so the biggest punishment for us is to leave us alone in our misery..hehehe
    Just keep your sick criminal soldiers and your rotten concepts of freedom in your Dear America and don’t go attacking and occupying other countries and spreading evils and immorality around the world.How about that!

  • Norah

    Oh for God’s sake…Do you honestly think we give a rat’s ass what a bunch of ignorant Ku Klux Klan, who’s brains are no bigger than a gnat’s think of Islam or Muslims?

    We DON’T.

    So yeah, Storm Rider, I AM YOUR ENEMY. Send your holy army after me. I’ll just be in my EVIL corner of the world, shaking in fear.

    Idiots.

  • http://www.megadeth.com Talal

    jen tha rednek

    You think we give a shit if you are fu*** American ,no we don’t
    Go and study your country map first as 90% of Americans dose not knows where is the hell s America location. and contenant

    You keep silent or i will call Dick cheny as he might hit you with his rifle by mistake huhuhuhu

    Fuck off im your enemy and i used to be sad about the 9/11 but believe now im very happy and proud of bin-laden.

    We Muslims are proud to be Muslims ,and im writing in this way to show you that i don’t give a shit about you and your idiot ppl.

    Your calling your self the strongest nation in the world , and until now you feel afraid from one single fucking man who is not letting you to sleep in peace ,and then you will come and tell me you want to give me freedom.

    Fuck your freedom i don’t need it go and give a job for the jobless ppl you have in your country ,or reduce the rape rate which happen every 5 minutes in your country.

    I advise all the Muslims not to comment on this as these ppl are not from our level their brains are damaged and are heavily washed.

  • solehah

    hey…where do we stop…oh about jimmy carter…it is a well known organization in u.s. but why do you denie the truth…yeah at least you all wont cut off ones head right…right? but what about shooting someone in arab world from s short distance…until the head is just like… butter? then for what you lovely ilk george bush sent thousands of army…few years ago and wont go back home…very full with the luxury of petrol,huh? oh, just get out…saddam has nothing to do….he`s dead already…dont ever try to act like a peacemaker…you know nothing about islam…they need freedom to rule their country..not a puppet ruler made from US…they wont disturb you,as long s you stop your non stop digging oil from their country..dont think that youre going to be peacemaker it gives you PA to dig their country`s wealthiness…so desperate to find oil huh? just trade oil from their country…no FTA…no vengeful arms…you give me headache already…were talking about fitna, then 911…lots of topic, i guess

  • solehah

    islam is a really balanced religion and care about equality…and fitrah among gender…as you dont know the hod knows that every paired creatures on the earth have feelings for each other..and islam encourages its ummat in marriage to avoid rape.. you know that father- i mean, those who stay in church…cant be married…that`s why the case of rape in australia, done by the priest, actually they are just same like us, need the feel to be loved, and sharing life with the opposite sex…they cant marry any one, thats why they’ve done it…
    it is soo cruel, forcing people not to marry in order to be a priest, dont you think of that? in islam, marriage as soon as possible whenever a person meets their lover, its just good for them to tie  the knot….can you think, human?

  • Kal-El

    solehah,

    What the hell are you babbling on about? I see cases in the international news EVERYDAY where a muslim rapes a non muslim woman, blaming her for his lack of self control. How is that balance? You say marriage as soon as possible? So you encourage pedophelia, and child rape? That is some balance.

  • http://Infidelsarecool.com MIG

    Batool:It seems that you are ignoring history when you say that the Crusades were to attack nations and kill them?!?! to expand Christianity. Most serious people -wether Muslims or Non-Muslims- know that before the first Crusade was ever launched, the Muslims had already being waging war against their neighbors and other countries of the world (Europe) for several centuries, very often committing a lot of atrocities, murders, rapes and enslaving large groups of people. It was Islam that was trying to expand!!

    This is something that cannot be denied, because is part of History and History will always be remembered somewhere in the world, even if there are some governments that try to erase it. It is similar to the Armenian Genocide , carried out by Muslims (Ottoman Turks) against Christians (Armenians) and that the Turks deny it to this very day! Well over a million Armenians were brutally murdered (men, women, elderly and children) in different ways, by both the civilians and the military.

    The children were separated from their families and many girls were raped in front of their dying parents, and then murdered or taken as slaves. There were many others that were “adopted” and raised as Muslims, in spite of the fact that these were Christian children, born to Christian parents and had being raised to that point as Christians. What do you have to say about this? Do you think it is an invention from the West? Did your religious teachers justify it? Maybe they deserved it because they wanted to be free and belonged to that corrupt religion of Christians, you may say. They didn’t accept the teachings of The Quran and those of the Prophet. They were “Infidels”!! They deserved it!! And this was long before 9/11!!! So, who is it that tries to force others into their religion and ways of thinking through the use of violence, if needed?

    You may answer that people have a choice, that they may reject it or ask for some more time to study the Quran, before making a decission. But that is just a nice statement. That is it!; If not, ask the millions of people that have been killed thoughout history in the name of Islam. It is not just now, in the present time, that we are seeing these outbursts of violence and fanatism from the Islam!! There is not respect for the Sanctity of Life!! and Islam has shown -unfortunately for all other religions- that It is a Violent Religion!!

  • http://Infidelsarecool.com MIG

    Batool, In regards to the Invasion of Iraq and the suggestion that the U.S.A. is stealing its oil; that there are shortages of oil in a country that used to have the largest? oil reserves in the world; and that a lot of places that the President Bush visits see a lot of protesters; I have the following comments to make:  The U.S.A. is not stealing Iraq’s oil -on the contrary- it is spending billions of dollars trying to rebuild the country (while the insurgents are trying to destroy it). I -personally- was never in favor of going into Iraq, but must also say that Saddam Hussein was not what you would consider a “Holy” man and that The United States was attacked by Muslim Terrorists several times, before it decided to respond in full force! The only reason why the country (Iraq) might be having some OIL PRODUCTION PROBLEMS, would be because of the constant bombings and sabotage actions carried out by the terrorist elements that don’t care about anything. Iraq had the second largest (proved) oil reserves in the world, if I am not mistaken. If that is not the case anymore, the reason could lie in the fact that there have been some huge reserves discovered recently in other parts of the world (Venezuela, Brazil, etc.). And, finally, concerning the protesters that have been showing up in the recent visits abroad made by President Bush, it is nothing new. Every time a U.S. President travels to another country, there are some people that want to voice their opposition to one or another Foreign Policy of the country, or to something else. That is the price of being the only Super Power left in the world today, as well as the most admired/hated country on earth.
    On another topic, You said that your people are not racist against black people. Well, if that is the case, Why do you refer to them as “slaves”? Long after the end of slavery – which by the way was practiced by muslims as well – it seems that you guys continue “labelling” them as such. Isn’t that a form of racism, by deiminishing them and fomenting stereotypes?
    The other statements you made, just show a lot of hatred, bias and ignorance. I am not going to comment on them.
    Just one final reflection, in reference to this statement:
    “By the way i don’t care if you consider me your enemy or evil. i don’t and won’t consider you my enemy,cause your are niether fit nor equal to me to be my enemy, you can’t raise up to that statue.”
    It shows a lot of PREPOTENCE, PRIDE, SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS AND A “HOLIER-THAN-THOU ATTITUDE! Is this an isolated behavior, or is it symptomatic of all muslims vis-a vis the non-muslims?
    I sure hope that you could reflect upon these statements and that the Light from the Almighty God may descend on you and your fellow muslim brothers, allowing you to see the only path that will lead to the “Eternal Life” and “Salvation”, which is accomplished only thru the Grace and Infinite Love of “Our Redeemer and Savior”, Our Lord, JesusChrist”
    Asalamalekhum.

  • http://Infidelsarecool.com MIG

    Talal, I just have these simple questions for you: Is this the way muslims show their respect for women? Do you have any sisters, aunts, a mother, perhaps, who is still alive? How would you feel if somebody were to treat them the same way as you have treated Jen tha rednek? Would you try to defend their honor by beheading the offender? Is it okay to disrespect (or hate) somebody because they think differently from you?

  • http://Infidelsarecool.com MIG

    Solelah, If Islam is a really balanced religion and cares about equality, Why is it possible for men to have more than one wife and a number of concubines, while women cannot do the same? Is this what you call equality?
    You say that it is cruel to force people not to marry (refering to priests), but that is actually another false statement from Islam against Chistianity. In our religion nobody forces anybody to do anything they do not desire to do. The Priests -as well as the nuns- choose that noble way of life because of their desire to Serve The Lord and to do good to their fellow human beings. It is called “Vocation”. And it is a long process of formation (academically, spiritually, psychologically and emotionally) before they are ready to go forth to serve the world (humanity). As part of this process, they have the opportunity to withdraw their application if they consider that the religious life style is not what they thought it would be (there are a few who do so, althought the vast majority continue with their Apostolate Mission to the end). It is one of the most profound offerings a human being could present to the Lord: Their Own Life! A life of personal sacrifice and service to the Lord and to mankind. It is a different kind of marriage -not with another human being, but with The Church- and if there are a few individuals who sin against the Lord and fall into temptation, they constitue the exception, rather than the rule. I guess it is difficult to comprehend what they do, to somebody who could only think of his or her own self-gratification, marry more than one wife (in the case of Muslim men), or get any concubine -as long as they get a blessing from one of their religious leaders-even if they just plan to have sex with them and divorce them later.
    Also with the harsh punishments against rapists and other criminals (“Shariah” Law), you wonder why there are still criminals who commit these abominable crimes. In the case of rapes against women, it is often the woman who is at fault, because she was dressed in a way that was inappropiate, or because she was not in company of her husband or a male relative at the time when the event occured, or maybe it was because she looked in a provocative way or talked to the agressor.
    Is this the equality you are talking about? or the balanced religion?

    And how about all the young girls that are forced into marriage or to have sex with older men every year? or the ones that are abused by their own relatives at home? or the ones that are traded and sold as sex slaves into other arab (muslim) countries, such as Dubai and Saudi Arabia, to the wealthy Sheiks that rule them? Is this the religion of Peace and Tolerance that some of you want us to believe it is? or Is this the Great Babylon that the Bible talks about?
    It is your call!!  Just remember that biblical passage that states:”…and by their offspring you shall know them…”

  • jennyjen

    Talal,
    I just gotta say get fucked and fuck your Islam! Since you like Bin Laden so much why don’t you go head and crawl off in a cave with him and the other vermin thats hiding from my armed forces!! And Trust Me, If me and Mr. Cheney were to go huntin well, lets just hope we find you!
    Sincerely yours, An American Woman with more freedom in her pinky finger than you’ll see in your lifetime!

  • jennyjen

    Oh, MIG thanks for gettin my back, I appreciate that, I had forgotten about Talal with all the freedom I enjoy on a daily basis not living in a Muslim country; God Bless Us!

  • Kal

    MIG,

    Amen. Right you are.

  • solehah

    i’m answering to kal el and mig…why we do put much attention to men,because men are created to lead the weaker gender, the women…the ability for men to marry up to four depends on their ability to support their wives, feed them, care about their finance and many more. but some of them dont understand the meaning of true marriage in islam…if a man cant support one of them, such as loving attention or finance, its better for them to have only one wife. referring to rape cases that occur widely, it depends on the strength of their faith…most of them dont pay much attention during prayer,and think about their tight schedule, works, money matter etc. less attention in prayer affects their attitude, the way they behave because they dont realise the aim for life; doing good deeds to attain gods blessings. they cant get rid of globalisation around them, that offers variety of food, fun and fashion. these things go through printed text, video, and through communication. only true muslim will avoid these ill thing…its hard to find one nowadays…in islam, there are two major sects, sunni and shiites..

    those who follow the shiites they encourage the followers to marry children, and their belief are totally against what is being told in quran

    in poor countries most parents are forced to marry off their children to older men who is wealthy to support their economical burden. i cant deny that it occurs in yemen… if both of you are really poor…do you ever think twice to sacrifice something in order to feed your family…especially when you have nothing but a daughter… do you ever think that your act is against the religion…

    christians also do the same thing
    there are many followers of different religions are doing the same

  • Jillia

    In your comment and I quote you – “in poor countries most parents are forced to marry off their children to older men who…”  Do you people UNDERSTAND that when people engage in SEXUAL INTERCOURSE -  it makes babies appear?  After the babies are made – they need to be FED  – which costs money!  Why is Islam so ignorant about the CONSEQUENCES of SEX?  Remember, if baby number 1 has no food, why do you continue to have children that you cannot feed?  Why do so many Islamic people engage in that behavior?  We do not understand this reasoning or logic, except that Islam has none.
    Also, where are your own people that sit on oil and just collect money and never have worked for anything?  You know, those that buy 24 carat gold plated cars and live in castles? Why is it the WEST has to supply Islam with billions of dollars of AID to feed your children?
    Everything, and I mean everything about Islam is ugly,  violent, cruel, evil and irresponsible. Islam has not a trace of decency.

  • http://rediffmaiul.com ravikumar

    We HIndus have faced Islamic terror- or terrorism from 9 centuries. But nobody acred. WE have the oldest religion on earth, preached ‘world is onefamily’  ‘let all live happily’, ‘It is better to die in one`s own religion’, ‘there are several paths to God’, etc., many of the wisdoms and truths other religions claim have been told over 5000 years aga by HIndu sages. Yet, Christians come to india to convert people whom they only looted for 250 years, and made poor. Brittain propped up Pakistana gainst us, They propped up Taliban against communists, they still call Islam as a reliogion of peace. We are the only people muslims could not convert and destroy. We will survive. But , Christians are reaping teh fruits of their sins against us.

  • Liz

    I’d like to say that I thank God for the 1st and 2nd Amendments. Free speech and the right to bear arms are the protections we have. Every Muslim in the United States has the right to say what they believe. Some as Khalid are quite reasonable. Others preach hate and violence.  As a Christian I see our rights to speak what we believe erroded by liberal courts every day.  We need to stand up and protect these rights at any cost.  In the Muslim community, they do not speak out because of fear. The fear of radicals who will threaten their lives and their families lives.  So even if those who are peaceful and claim that jahid is an inner struggle will bow to the radicals who will kill them. They do not consider you Muslim if you are a moderate. And the more that people are quiet, the more the others take control. So eventually Islam will not at all be a religion of peace for anyone, anywhere.  As with Nazi Germany, people didn’t stand up to the bullies, and the brownshirts. Pretty soon Hitler took over the whole world and we had to go to war to stop him.  I know you’ve all seen this poem. I’d like to submit that Khalid and others have the right to speak, and we need to defend that right. We also need to stand against tyranny wherever we find it.
    When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.
    When they came for the trade unionists,
    I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.
    When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;
    I wasn’t a Jew.
    When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out.

    God help us all if we neglect our God given rights to speak out against evil, even at the cost of our lives.

  • james

    And the truth will set you free

  • james

    This should be broadcast on television around the world.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Templars Templars

    Hi James, its the frustration of watching those voted in Government to protect you not abiding by the oath they took to do so, none Transparency has been going on in the UK for 40+ years, and our Culture now fractured, its so concerning that this is just the beginning, it is well on the way to being unstoppable, more and more anti-jihad'ists are taking up the struggle, is the start of the next Holy War? what defense do we have they are all ready here and breeding uncontrollable, the cost of the Social Services surviving in say 5 to 10 years time is mind boggling, Europe is the same with allegiance now being sworn to the Muslims by Police forces within Europe .

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Templars Templars

    Bravo Jillia, the constant production of off spring is to swell the population, they Immigrate to a civilized country such as the UK, they can have as many children as they wish and Islam allows more than one wife, no need to feed the children yourself the British Tax Payer does that and the Government of the day 'Labour' is right behind all that just to fit in with Europe, a Policy of None Transparency allow things to be done you and I would not allow, not figures are ever published it would frighten you to death. I agree with you again on the comment of Islam being Ugly, Cruel, Backward, Violent and evil, but that's what we will have to suck up to if we do not do something very soon, Good Luck.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Templars Templars

    Bravo Jillia, the constant production of off spring is to swell the population, they Immigrate to a civilized country such as the UK, they can have as many children as they wish and Islam allows more than one wife, no need to feed the children yourself the British Tax Payer does that and the Government of the day 'Labour' is right behind all that just to fit in with Europe, a Policy of None Transparency allow things to be done you and I would not allow, no figures are ever published it would frighten you to death. I agree with you again on the comment of Islam being Ugly, Cruel, Backward, Violent and evil, but that's what we will have to suck up to if we do not do something very soon, Good Luck.

  • Templars

    Hi Batool, concerning Oil Reserves Saadiqi I think you will find America has the largest Oil reserves, Alaska!!
    the continuation of everyone using Oil from the MidEast will continue, Then where will the world be, Who has all the Oil then? once again you have been outsmarted!!!!

  • http://www.lulu.com/content/2457373 USpace

    .
    Defending your life and culture is not racist or xenophobic.
    FREE Partij voor de Vrijheid! The Koran shouldn't be banned. Mein Kampf isn't a 'Holy Book', but it shouldn't be banned either, but you should be able to criticize it and the idiots who agree with it.

    As many sane people know, Geert Wilders is NO racist. He is simply against out-of-control immigration; and against immigrants who won't assimilate; and the ones who beat Gays and rape non-Muslim women for not being covered up. He is also very much against the ones who kill their own daughters and sisters for their 'family honor'.
    .
    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe says
    just pretend to defend

    human rights while stopping
    speech defending human rights

    .
    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe says
    outlaw self-defense

    exposing violent gangs
    shall be deemed hate speech

    .
    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe says
    decide to change your race

    just simply change religions
    your religion is your race
    .
    All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech there can be no real freedom.
    .
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/KillFreeSpeech
    .
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/stoningsarefun
    .

  • http://idoccorp.com/ electronic discovery

    The main problem was loss of respect, if all people would just each others opinion or point of views then there will be no war, no misunderstanding.. (but life will surely be boring if this happens for its the balance the keeps things in cycle)

  • http://idoccorp.com/ electronic discovery

    The main problem was loss of respect, if all people would just each others opinion or point of views then there will be no war, no misunderstanding.. (but life will surely be boring if this happens for its the balance the keeps things in cycle)

  • Y'all are crazy.

    If you read the Quran (THATS HOW U SPELL IT) and actually understood the meaning of it. Youd know that its not submit or die. idiot. Before Mohammed came, people used to bury babies alive because they were female. He came and spread Islam and told how high womens rights are and they are to be respected and not buried alive. GET IT RIGHT. why dont you SHUT UR YAP and go study Shia Islam fully and properly.

    There are many different types of muslims in the world. and theres many types of idiotic ignorant stupid people like you in the world also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The terrorists that you see in the media are people called WAHABIS and TALIBANS. Shia muslims dont believe in violence… although i could go for hitting u about now. but wahabi and taliban believe that u will go to heaven if u kill unbelievers. THIS IS A LIE. Shias do not believe that. We are totally against violence and if u wanna go learn more……….. You should go to Sayedammar.com that dude will explain in english. He has many speeches. listen to him if u really want to learn more.

    so dont go accusing us for shit we didnt do. OR I KILL YOU. i joke i joke…..

  • Y'all are crazy

    Also…. Sayedammar.com has a reply to the Dutch MP…..

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    “Shia muslims dont believe in violence… “

    you're a fu**ing moron if you believe that. Ever heard of Hizballah? How
    bout the Mahdi? Know what has to happen for the return of the Mahdi? Do you?

  • Solkhar

    The average Shia Muslim wants to feed his family but grows up in a society filled with ugly politics and Shia Muslims are prone to this politics more than others and that is why I have not muc respect for Shi'ite philosophy. As a Sunni, and a Sinast to measure, Shi'ite ideology for me has two major flaws. The first one is the belief of Imam-ship, that there has to be some leader and that he is as close to perfect as possible. Sunni's are not supposed to accept that as even Prophets were not “perfect” but men, perfection belongs alone to God. Thus the power of an Ayatollah and so-called spiritual leaders is much more significant and that is a factor of why the Iranian Revolution became turned into a personality cult. The second issue with Shi”ites for me is that personality cults is that in the end the personalty and even his image becomes more important than the faith itself. Thus you have inside Shi'ite mosques posters or paintings of the so-called 12 imams and even the current Supreme Leader and the father of the revolution Khomenei. A sunni is forbidden to pray in a mosque were he can see any image and even images of Mohammed are not accepted as the concept of prayer is for God alone, not even his Prophets.

    Though the average Shia Muslim believes in and wants peace, the reality is that they are the most easily pushed, propogandised and the susceptable to political ideologies that use and abuse their version of faith.

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