Islamic Caliphate: The ultimate Muslim dream

Awesome job!

Most excellent essay, I linked to your article from Islam is a Phony Religion

lol sorry you make me laugh! firstly the goal of the islamic state, yes, is to conquer and amke people muslims but then they have a choice. first they will be asked to accept Islam, if not then they will be asked to pay the "jizya," this is a tax which is paid by non- believers, this tax will guarantee thier safety under the caliphate and provide for them. if the second option is also not chosen then the non- believers will be put to the sword by people who "love death as much as how non-believers love this world." The calpihate will provide something much more better than what the governments of today can give by making sure people under its protection even if they are non- muslims have what they want. This means poverty, the worlds no 1 issue in the world will stop because everyone will get a house to live in, and in this recession also everyone under the calpihate will get a job. Thier is no denying that once the caliphate comes into power it will not listen to the butchers of Bosnia, afghanistan,iraq and Palestine. The punishers willbe punished!

You make ME laugh! Paying "jizya", a "tax" to guarantee an infidels "safety" is extortion, a racket in any other lawful society. In a free society, you have the opportunity to earn as much money as you're capable of to obtain the best home you can regardless of your religion. Only if you prove unable to manage to that for yourself, for whatever reason, and in the case of able body people there are times when they aren't able to obtain a job, only then does the government have to help them. Ironically, in most Muslim countries, it's the infidels that wind up with the jobs and running the businesses and making the money, despite having to pay the "jizya". Muslim countries are among the poorest countries in the world, unless they happen to be sitting on oceans of oil, which they have to have extractred from the ground by western companies because they don't have the expertise. Then we find the Muslim countries that have the oil money have a problem sharing it with their Muslim brothers that don't, unless it's to give them guns, missles and ammuniton for "jihad". The truth is you only punish yourselves by refusing to live in peace with the rest of the world because the rest of the world are infidels in your eyes. It is you that insist on "jizya" and "jihad" and eventually you will bring destruction on yourselves because of it.

Hamsa you live in a fantasy world!
Does it make sense to you that civilised people would pay a tax to a bunch of culturally backward ragheads and accept their superiority?Llike all you members of this planet's silliest death cult you have this asinine idea that a religion of stone age stupidity will triumph and Mo the murderer and imaginary Allah will be the accepted
as reality.
Hamsa I suspect you are a chronic wanker with your fantasies beginning to rule your mind.

HSB and FBF, I love your words.

Thanks Beej,and greetings to you FBF,
I'm starting to get nostalgic for the drivel of Shukri,Xcon,and the harpie Belladonna.
I think we've scared them off?
Come on you muslims! I'm starting to miss my daily fix of fractured thinking
from the mental pathology that afflicts the adherents of Islam.
Roll back the stone from your respective caves and let's have some
threats of punishnent and suffering for eternity from angry Allah.
Maybe our new pal Hamsah will make some tasty offerings of dogma that
we can deride.
Honestly,it would seem that muslims have no staying power;if they can't kill you ;they lose interest.
Maybe they're too busy wanking?


we can deride.

HELL ..O SNACKBAR,
Where do u live ...in first world country,,u children of BLUE BLOODED GOD..civilised since how many days do u think u r culturally forward fu***** your own mothers and sisters ,brothers like the street dogs.Who crucified Jesus the party of Jews..who bombed Nagasaki,Hirosima,Germany,........WHO PUT THE jews in GAS CHAMBERS.The planets ugliest living cult u have fine idea that a modern age idiot will triumph and u .....all the murderers will force us to accept a shiting human BEING to be a GOD as our master.HELL O SNACK BAR I accept u are a fool with your very modern fantasies forcing your rule on others mind.....

Most embarrassing. I was trying to click" reply" and I clicked "like" on this piece of insane raving. I wonder if a clinical psychiatrist would have things to say about this entry. Is the writer's only problem that he does not speak English or are the incoherent, furious, ravings indicative of a brain injury caused by Islam? Faiyaz appears unable to think reasonably. This is really begging to be studied. I hope someone gets to it right away.

Studied like a stool sample.

Stool being an alternative name for Islam!

You great people only know the meaning of embarassment and are a sane in lot.People of first world country and we are from third world this is your love and affection towards non europeans you haters of humanity.everyone has right to express and say one's feelings i cannot put yes on your each and every thoughts and views.You are very reasonable people study nicely about us what virus we possess very difficult to scan by mean minds.

Well Zaiyaf from your writing you appear to be a third worlder?
We don't hate third worlders per se ;but have a deep contempt for some third world culture and Islam in particular with its
ruffian pyschopathic prophet.
We resent most deeply the ingress of Muslims who whilst educationally deficient; have the temerity to refer to us as Kuf;r believing(quite absurdly)that they are favoured by an imaginary silly bastard called Allah.
So if you belong to the wailing pathetic murderous throngs who believe in Allah the space monster;then ask yourself what benefit Allah the pitiful; has been to you?
The predictable answer is none at all;making you a hapless fool for following such fanciful fairy tales.
Infidels always win;because Islamic third worlders are convniced that an Xrated paradise awaits them when they expire.
Maybe you're in the market to buy a few tons of sand?

Yes very loving people during Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Eisenhower gave the orders and within minutes everything in Japan was brought to ground.See the statute of that man he is holding cross and bible the followers of psychopath god.You refer us as swines and gentiles and think that you are a choosen people what benefit you people are getting from a shitty god.Recession all over are to be seen .Allah is Most Beneficient My life belongs to Allah the Creator See the sky,moon,sun,mountains,seas,oceans your shity father has created as if you talk.Kufr means anyone who denies the law even if I do so I am a kafir.Yes go and visit the Christian cementeries all your forefathers who expired are waiting for XXX rated heaven.Alleast I am buying sands what are you selling only hatred and anger,jealousy.

Here's some advice Zaiyat.
Dump Allah the useless(you've never met her and never willshe's a figment of your silly cultural upbringing.
Next get yourself an education in that which is real(physics and maths would be a good start)
Accept democracy, free from the insanity of your baseless belief in Allah the monster.
Islam equals failure as evidenced by your current circumstances and perceived victimhood by a demonstrably superior culture.
There is no fanciful paradise of rivers of wine,black eyed virgins or nubile rent boys(if you're that way inclined)
Consider the quagmire of stupidity in which you find yourself bashing your cranium against the hard floor in supplication
to a fiction created by Mo the mad.
And consider the facile futility of your prayers.
I believe that in the future people will laugh themselves silly when your circus of the insane is reenacted as a stage play.
Islam is failure!
Got that?
And don't be surprised when you are greeted by the word Imshi!

Saw your silly filthy and useless advices which is dumped in a dumping bin.Where were you when you were not how was you in your mother's womb do you remember don't see any wisdom in your comments.What physics teaches us nothing new only it experiments the things which is existing and created by the Creator.Democracy for the people by the people and of the people is seen every where no need to advice on this matter.Monster have you seen the god.People of stone age you talk of superior culture you aliens.You are like street dogs vagabond and we are chained under the masters order and are not out of bounds.We have everything but on a permitted manner.You follow the mad Pauls fiction and dreams the satanic vision.What future.. have you seen it you silly people laugh at human beings and try to show off with your materialistic advancement which has a end.Failure are you bunch of idiots still cannot scan the virus of the 3rd world people as you say.Live in fiction and dramas this you people know who has failed ask yourself your magic is not going to work against the truth.Greet me with any word this is your culture I will tolerate this is my culture.

Saw your silly filthy and useless advices which is dumped in a dumping bin.Where were you when you were not how was you in your mother's womb do you remember don't see any wisdom in your comments.What physics teaches us nothing new only it experiments the things which is existing and created by the Creator.Democracy for the people by the people and of the people is seen every where no need to advice on this matter.Monster have you seen the god.People of stone age you talk of superior culture you aliens.You are like street dogs vagabond and we are chained under the masters order and are not out of bounds.We have everything but on a permitted manner.You follow the mad Pauls fiction and dreams the satanic vision.What future.. have you seen it you silly people laugh at human beings and try to show off with your materialistic advancement which has a end.Failure are you bunch of idiots still cannot scan the virus of the 3rd world people as you say.Live in fiction and dramas this you people know who has failed ask yourself your magic is not going to work against the truth.Greet me with any word this is your culture I will tolerate this is my culture.

Oh dear Zaiyaf you seem rather offended by my friendly advice.
I think you must have been overcome by an anger tantrum as your use of English atrophied into meaningless nonsense.
I claim no chauvinismwith respect to language. lmshi is the only Arabic I know(apart from Hellosnackbar which I stole from a group of yelling Muslims in fancy dress inLondon some years ago)
Allah the creator?that's wrong! Allah was created by that murdering madman Mohammed; up to then s he didn't exist;
certainly no one had ever heard of her before.
It's my opinion that Allah doesn't exist and is no more than a comic book villain mentioned in your holy comic book the Koranus.
That's what we do here Zaiyaf we laugh at Islam(the world's longest running black comedy).
Now surely Zayaf you're a busy man;infidels to kill,small girls to genitally mutilate,,or perhaps some adulterer to stone.
What a life in the paradise on earth that Islam creates.

Dearest snakebar right to call you it seems you are a great psycho specialist reading minds.It seems you are acting like a saint and angel of truth you are gone mad .With one stolen arabic word you are satisfied foolish natured man.Read history and bible written by the english language experts of the great flourishing european union union christian chaliphate about Allah your physics and maths are not working now.You believe in democracy and give personal opinions where is the funda of majority must be granted only to see one side of a coin laughter brings cries.Your comments are of a comedian on a drama stage without any weight.Yes you are killing the innocents in Iraq,Afghanistan,Palestine by drones and carpet bombing.Bombed Hiroshima,killed people in Vietnam and used blacks as slaves for centuries torturing and flogging the negroes without any cause just to steal the wealth of their country.Where is your paradise on earth and from where are you using the funda of paradise its not in your laughing dictionary.

Just getting around to this.....sorry I missed the fun!
Gotta tell ya Z.....I'm already tired of seeing your references to Hiroshima. LEARN THE FACTS & HISTORY OF THE EVENT. Learn all the factors that brought that horrific event on the Japanese people before bringing it up again.
I had to laugh at "our fore fathers waiting for XXX rated heaven" HA! That's a good one!
You read like a raving lunatic in a dark room with Quran verses written in hummus on every inch of the walls.

Infidels are so hot you funny lot truth is tiredness for you.For you people
i have to learn facts and historical events for us it doesn't applies as per
your superior complex attitude.you had mentioned xrated paradise this is not
my thinking when its for you you give a sadist laugh.Yes Hitler had put the
Jews in dark gas chambers where biblical vesres were written.

You seem to misunderstand the meaning of the word truth Zaiyaf!
Truth is that which can be observed or logically deduced from fact.
Islam satisfies none of these precepts(there's no evidence for Allah or angel Gabriel or djinns)
Just look at the fanciful nonsense in your holy joke book;a literate five year would laugh at the nonsense within.
The sun (that's a star with 99% of the solar systems mass) settling into a muddy pool at night.
Or mountains acting as enormous tentpegs to stop the land sliding into the sea(Truth??)
Ah but it's the word of Allah!
Clearly Allah had little knowlege of plate techtonics or cosmology or biology(pig ignorant)
Dump your perversion and join the real world.
Islam is acting like a knowlege anaesthetic;and maintains your ignorant stupor.

Yes mr snackbar great thinker and people of understanding(literate pig).The fundamental difference in the scriptures of Christianity and Islam is the fact that Christianity does not have a text which is both revealed and written down as Quran which fits this description.The Quran is the expression of the Revelation made to Muhammed( pbuh) by the Archangel Gabriel which was immediately taken down,memorized and recited by the faithful in their prayers..in contrast to this,the Christian Revelation is based on numerous indirect human accounts.We do not in fact have an eyewitness account from the life of Jesus(pbuh),contrary to what many snackbar type of men imagine.The question of the authenticity of the Christian and Islamic texts has thus now been formulated.We have to take into consideration the objective facts of religious history,we must place the Old Testament,the Gospels and the Quran on the same level as being collections of written Revelations but people like you in the west under the pre dominantly Judeo-Christian influence refuse to ascribe to the Quran the character of a book of Revelation.6 centuries after Jesus(pbuh) Quran was revealed and resumes many datas found in Hebraic Bible and the Gospels Torah..All Muslims are directed to believe in the scriptures that precedes Quran.Jesu's birth is described in the Quranand likewise in the Gospels,as a supernatural event.The facts written above concerning Islam are not generally known in the West by the people like you who possess the superiority complex you think a quote from Quran is a reference to the Devil! this shows how (pig ignorant this is your supplied word i am compelled to use it for your understanding) you are of what Islam is in reality,and retain notions about the Islamic Revelation which are entirely mistaken. this much for now see you again.

How strange Zaiyat your English has changed from almost incomprehensible to almost excellent within a couple of hours.(Is one of your wives more competent at English than yourself?)
It's no use quoting the Koranus or the Bible to me;I don't believe a word of either;that means they're an irrelevance; in my life you might as well quote from a Batman comic.
You are typical of someone who was never trained to think;pumped up as you are with the drivel from that silly book of yours.
Cultural superior well you're right about that!the evidence is manifest even the computer you use is a product of
western science.
And why are the peons from Muslim countries trying to enter the west?
It's because of a better life isn't it Zaiyat?
Islam maintains a mindset of backwardness and ignorance;what annoys me is that they bring their cultural ignorance with them and want us to respect it;and when we don't; they start killing us because they believe Allah has commanded them.
Try www.religionofpeace.com to understand what a pile of dung Islam is.
If I had been born as Muslim I'd be embarrassed at the insanity of it and would have dumped Allah and his inventor Moped by the age of seven.
For your education visit www.patcondell.net to get a taste of my true convictions with respect to your abominable death cult.
.

Now you feel strange on my English very luckily a blackman has found a English blonde as now you are my bro in law good.Yes wives ok but not the cougars or the prostitutes.For me to quote from a Batman comic is also of no use its more irrelevant.You are also hysterical of some tpye who hasn't learnt to think.You know that I am a Muslim then what do you expect from me I will use Quran whether you digest it or not but be tolerant as per the norms of Western Democracy freedom of thoughts and expression.i am not against the computer but a silly westerner like you is answered by this technology which you do not like here I see your hatred and jealousy.Peons are entering ask them and the westerners the thugs are entering Muslim countries its not my job to decide.You write like Zionist forces of the west hostile to Islam to divert Muslims away from their faith,trying to spread atheism and employing regimes which pay lip service to Islam while undermining concepts and values.Praise be to Almighty God, who has created brought into being darkness and light;yet those equals to their Lord.It is He who has created you out of clay and then has decreed a term(for you),and there is another term known only to Him.Yet you are still in doubt.He alone is Almighty in the heavens and on earth.He has full knowledge of all that you keep secret and all that you reveal.He knows what you earn.6:1-3.
The evidence of creation and life is placed in powerful confrontation with atheism.When it is put to people like you, you find yourself to resort to force and devious arguments.I consider the existence of this universe and the system that governs it,I am bound to conclude that naturally and logically,it is the worl of a Creator who has devised its elaborate system.It is impossible for me to perceive that something comes into existence out of nothing,unless I acknowledge the existence of a deity who creates,originates and brings into existence.You Atheist is trying to mend the flaws in your argument through adopting a over waning attitude.For education come to any third world country or go to China and dump your Atheist faith.

" Quran was revealed "

Nope. It was INVENTED by a desert's marauder and pedophile.
Mohammad was a MASS MURDERER, profession unbecoming
to anyone aspiring the coveted title of "prophet".

Your brazzen attempt to compare the thug, self-appointed "prophet"
Mohamad ( PBUH : Piss Be Upon Him) to Jesus is utterly preposterous
for both were in diametrically opposite sides regarding human character
and daily behavior.

Mohammad was a lewd scoundrel. Jesus was a honorable Rabbi.

Jewhawk watch Pat Condell's video www.youtube.com/user/Pat Condell called :The crooked Judges of Amsterdam.
In his own vitriolic way he castigates the Geert Wilders trial.
You'll love it!

Yes who murdered millions of Jews in Europe,millions of Muslims were butchered in Bosnia,Millions of innocent people were bombed and killed in Japan,
Vietnam,Cuba,Palestine,Afghanistan,justify don't show your hatred and atomic power on humanity make love and peace on earth.Occupiers of ...others property and land.Read your Greatest and honourable Rabbi's prophecies regarding Muhammed in the bible it seems you even do not follow Jesus PBUH.

Please Zaiyaf, be honest to admit that you don't give a damn about the six million Jews
that were murdered during the Holocaust.
WHY?
Because muslims wanna do the same to another six million Jews that live in Israel!

Could you DENY that?

" make love and peace on earth "

Would that be Hamas' motto?
Really?

" Occupiers of ...others property and land"

Funny.That's how I could describe the muslims that call themselves "palestinians"
that are currently dwelling and besmirching the Land that God gave to the Jews.
Yes. It's written in the Bible. The muslims are fully aware of that.

A phobia is being created that Islam is about to overwhelm the world.This Islamophobia is raging through Europe.It is a psychological illness.The fact is that Europe remained Christian despite 800 years of Muslim rule over Spain and the entire Europe benefitted from the Muslim scientist's contribution for over 500 years.So please screen the text books against all contents that malign any community and remove misconceptions against religions and use all democratic measures to to search and find solutions .
Friend go to the UNO for the justice and bring to books the killers and the murderers of chlidren of Israel the chosen ones.Muslims are not only in Arab lands its the political problem in your land of have and have not's where are Palestanians from and what do they want history is witness.Go and live in Israel leave the universe what for you all are in the west and scattered..Bible has many prophecies not only for the Jews but for the other communities are you aware of it or not.

"A phobia is being created that Islam is about to overwhelm the world"

WHO is creating this phobia ?
My mother?

Remember that "phobia" means FEAR.
Shouldn't we, infidels, have no fear of being BEHEADED just like your
brothers did to Daniel Pearl ?

Did you call me "Friend" ?
Was that your feeble attempt to making a joke?


Could you actually see your face in your mirror?
Have you got any shred of decency and humanity

HOPE, WE BELIEVE
Islamopithecus Imbecilicus...one day you'll evolve and
become a Neanderthal...maybe more 400 or 600 years.

Your deceit is so pervasive that it has become difficult to tell the truth.Of late you have put in place a mechanism to show and spread hatred against the Muslims.The rights of Muslims as minority are sought to be curbed by raising the boegy of terrorism in the west.This is you peoples latest manifestations of discrimination.A violent act by an individual from yhe Muslim community as drubbed terrorism while a similar act by a fundamental christian or organisation from the majotity is merely called communal.It si evident from your decrees in the west over prohibition against building a minaret mosque in switzerland on the express plea of such a structure affecting the cityscape.Decency do you possess ha ha and humanity is absent in your dictionary only lip talk.Truth will prevail.Do not get angry friend this is not a war only exchanging ideas in a democratic way freedom of expressions.

The problem is, there were no muz scientists that didn't steal the knowledge they used from others. Even the koran has blatant scientific errors that only demonstrate the ignorance of mohammad, the real author. God never makes mistakes, so the mistakes in the koran are PROOF that islam is a lie. Yes, read history, not the crap you get in muz school. It'll be a real eye opener for ya. As to the banning of minarettes in Switzerland.....don't you get it? People don't like you muz scumbags! Islam conquer the world.....don't make me laugh. Plenty of bullets to take care of that little problem. They just haven't opened season on muz yet.

Humanity has been killing each other since the beginning of civilization in the name of some "god" or other. The sad thing is that we continue to slaughter each other in their names, even though no one can see them. We obey some humans who claim they can speak to them, even though there's no way they can prove they do. Or we obey their written instructions written down thousands of years ago in books we call "holy" and wind up like lemmings being lead to the sea. Humans can find enough reason to kill each other without listening to some invisible, unseeable, unknowable, ancient entity. When will we learn to truly think for ourselves?

Let's get something straight about Japan. If anybody ever had it coming, they did, & their citizens who survived the bombs KNOW this. Read up on the rape of Nan-King. The Japanese made you guys look like Disneyland.

A Red Chinese exchange exec at Ford told me that in some cities in China, visiting Japanese are told not to go out at night because their lives would be in grave danger. In Nanking and Shanghi, there is not a single Chinese native who has not had several relatives killed by the Japanese in WWII, and they're still very pissed.
I have the honor to be a nephew of the guy who invented the trigger for the bombs that leveled Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Tonto, History books still didn't bother to put in detail the unspeakable horrors
the Chinese people endured not only during WWII, but long before that period.
The Japanese occupation of the China is yet to be properly written.

Please, google those two litte stories about the Japanese role during WWII:

" UNIT 731"
" PHILIPINES, February 1945"

After reading that, people will wonder why ONLY two nuclear devices were dropped on Japan...

No, history books do NOT do justice to this. I know I never learned about it in school, & that was before they spent 20 minutes studying WW2, & 2 DAYS studying the US hockey team winning the Olympic medal. Disgusting.
Anyway, "White Light Black Rain" was a really amazing film. Like I said in my reply to Tonto, I didn't get to see the very beginning & don't know if they address WHY the bombs were dropped. I detest reading comments from people condemning the US, when I KNOW they have no clue >: [
Anyway, I had always heard the term "rape of Nanking", but had to google it to learn about it. There is a small movement going on to bring the event into the light. I found an article by Ami Chen Mills. http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.12.9... who says during a heated discussion over dinner, they were talking about "understanding the bombing of Hiroshima, but why Nagasaki?" Her quiet little aunt (who survived Nanking) bellowed out " I think they should have bombed the whole country!"

Wow Tonto!! That's amazing! I wonder if I caught a glimpse of you uncle in "White Light Black Rain"! That was an awesome documentary. I did not get to see it from the very beginning, do they explain the Japanese assault on China at all?

Course, I'm assuming you SAW the film before asking you that. LOL! Derrr!

The Book of Revelation was not "revealed" to John? Oh but the Quran, that's a legit revelation. I'm sorry......what?
The Gospels were written by people who knew Jesus, within FIFTY years after his death. Not SIX CENTURIES later.
Here's my take: (humor me Beej & HSB ;-)
Ishmael & Hagar were sent away, while Issac got Abraham's inheritance. That had to make your people pretty angry! So....what do you do when you're not the favorite of the Hebrew God? You make up your own version of things of course. And who was there to help 'ole Mo as a muse? I'll give you 3 guesses, & it wasn't Gabriel.
I don't consider myself superior to you, Z. You just have to calm down at the keyboard & be coherent. You seem to be getting there & I can actually make some sense of your comments now.

The christian revelation is based on numerous indirect human accounts.We do not have an eyewitness account from the life of Jesus,contrary to what many christians imagine.The confrontation between the texts of the scriptures and scientific data has always provided man with food for thought..The biblical exegetes and scientists are in opposition to one another because as science progressed it became clear that there were discrepancies between Biblical scriptures and science.When science and religion are discussed in the west you people are quite willing to mention Judaism and christianity and hardly ever think of Islam.So many false judgements based on inaccurate ideas have indeed been made about Islam and you find difficult to form exact notion of the reality of Islam.The total erroneous statements made about Islam by people like you are the result of ignorance and planned systematic denigration.The untruths you write about Islam are however those to be dealt with facts,for mistaken opinions are excusable,presenting of facts running contrary to the reality is not.It is disturbing to read blatant untruths in the writings of the superiors whites of the west who think of themselves highly qualified and cultured the all knowing just to give a false impression of the Quran and Islam.Learn the meanings of actual,truth,tolerance,justice be open minded if you are a believer.Jesus was not killed nor crucified after 6 centuries Quran was revealed.We are not angry like you people Abraham,Hagar,Isaac,Ismail Peace be upon them we respect them and have faith in them.There is no Hebrew God or Any other except One Almighty God called by different names in many languages around the world.I believe in the God of Abraham,Isaac,Ismail,Hagar,Sarah now you decide in which God do you believe .

Okay....so, I think I'm gleaning from your response that you deny that the Gospels were written by people that KNEW Jesus. Correct? It's not "imagined", they were written by people who lived with him.
But it's futile to discuss, you're wandering alot & relying too much on your indoctrination. That's one big difference between America & predominantly Muslim countries, I believe. While Christianity might be prevalent here, it does not SATURATE our culture as Islam seems to do in Middle Eastern countries.

Stompykitty:

The Qur'anus was written amidst ticks, scorpions, millions of flies and
camel's feces. It smells just like it.

ZAIYAF :

This guy has serious mental issues. His underware must be full of explosives
already, because the rest of its content is useless anyway.

Hey check it out, Z changed his name. Much cooler. I guess.

Islam is as good as a venereal disease.

Muslims are their carriers.

Islam is an INFERIOR ideology. It has nothing to
offer, but hatred, sheer ignorance, bloodbaths and utter destruction.

Wajahal, why don't you go to your sodomite paradise a little bit
earlier ?

Remember Zaiyaf that people of the First World invented the medicines and
vaccines that SAVED your lives.

Why don't you simply say : " THANK YOU " ?

Would you have a computer's keyboard which you're using if it weren't for Western culture?

Come on. Say it:

"Thank you for everything I've got at home !"

Yes Mr 1st worlder Father of medicince was Avicena or Ibn Sena the Allah worshipper and because of him you all were saved say thanks to Avi Cena.Say at least being a children of lesser god in your views we write and speak English you idiot how many languages do you know from the third world.Thanks Almighty the Creator of Creations.We pay money to buy the materials why should I say thank you we are customers.

So you're saying there was no medical science of any kind before the wonderful followers of an insane camel driver from Arabia invented "medicine". How frickin' wonderful of them to share it with us barbarians. Are you that stupid? Evidently, you are. Buzz off and smoke some more of that funny stuff. Muzleems never invented anything. Butchers, slavers, pedophiles and insane camel drivers don't, so don't try to run your idiotic BS around here. You're boring me dweeb. Read up on Hippocrates. He ain't no Aesop fable.

If you neglect the contributions of other cultures(to contemporary civilizations)then it gives you a sense of having cultural superiority,which is dangerous.You barbaric menetality minded we are moving into a new global world,we need to respect and recognize the contributions of all other races and cultures into what we have today but which have been largely ignored by ignorant people like you and your European history.Ah great superior class people read nicely and search with your western invented computers.In 13th century observatory in Maragha,in Iran star gazers developed new models for understanding the universe,which helped pave the way for Copernicu's ideas of a sun centered solar system in 1543.Abbas ibn Firnas, an Arab scholar in 9th century Andalusia performed one of the first recorded human flights when he leapt from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a glider with wooden struts.They worked with Jewish and Christian scientists and elaborated upon ideas working as far afield as China,ancient Babylonia,Egypt,Greece and Persia and India.You laugh or cry sadist dosen't matter search the science museum.Yes show your terror full bullets and kill the innocent people in the name of fear but truth will prevail at last.Why are you so hot and angry this is your way of expression in the west calling by bad names well cultured whites of Europe.

Nyeek halek akrout! Native American peoples knew the world was round, tracked the planets and had a calendar more accurate than our present day calendar 1000 years before Christ was born. And the arab conquerors got all that knowledge from the people they raped. Ignorant sheep stealers and rapists don't study, and that's what the arabs were. All that knowledge they "discovered" was already known by the civilized people they exploited. Study history, oh ignorant mishnoon! Muz have never been worth 2 dead flies, and from what I see in this world, they never will be. How many Nobel prizes for anything have muz won? 10? The Jews have hundreds, and you call them names and try to kill them. They make you muz look like the idiots you really are.

" Muz have never been worth 2 dead flies "

TWO ?

It's too expensive. I want a discount !

Muslims invented the SHOE-BOMB, the ANUS-BOMB and the
now infamous CROTCH-BOMB.

I will reward them with the special Nobel Prize for Terrorism.

In this category, muslims will rapidly gain worldwide recognition.

Your ignorant civilization order has been created by imperialism and Zionism which is a global threat.The existence of the world will be stable only by recognizing and defeating it.I am studying history but what are you doing o illiterate hater of humanity the chosen one and the most civilized race occupiers and torturers having no tolerance.Be satisfied with your nobel ideas you give and you take the prize no need of your recoznition .Very cool heads only in adverts not in practice losing tempers now and then and pretend to be the CIVILIZED this is your real face.

Dear Mr.Z
Please do explain? who will be the caliph...sunni or shiite ? shiite got the nuke..sunni got the money...(at least for now, cause i prefer bio-energy than fossil one which make them rich, i guess more people will use self produced bio-energy, and the world doesn't need middle east any more).
I hope you can understand or at least able to read this post without any help from your wife or your country.

Regards

You know the caliph becoz you are a literate lot and clever as foxes. Obama is Caliph of The world.Go Mr Robber and rob the the money of the sunnis bio-energy you have to come to the same people Malyasia.... and Asia Central Asia.I understood your post and my English blonde wife is supporting me and my bio rich country.

Stangely enough Bronwyn the same thing happened to me a few days ago(it must be that devious prankster Allah acting as a computer virus?)
Faiyaz seems to be yet another example of mind altering Koranosis.
The symtoms of this syndrome are characterised by poor English,anger,belief in the impossible,
blind adherence to ridiculous dogma,and explanation of their faith in a procession of ad hominems and asinine nonsequiturs.
He seems to have some rather vulgar idea that defaecation is a process from which Allah is exempt.
Then again fairies may be exempt from colonic peristalsis?
Maybe Allah's alimentary tract is the subject of deep scholarly research.
I'll go on the "ask the Imam"site and pose that very question.
I think your latter diagnosis is the most plausible Dr Bronwyn.

Dude....study some history, PLEASE. You obviously have no clue about these events you speak of. That's the only part of your raving I could halfway decipher. Get it together.

Mr. Z
I'm wondering...are you ever read a book or newspaper or watch tv?
Do you know about world war history or you got different version of it?
Do you know how many armenian died during turkey's empire?
see....before you give a comment please....please....at least think....just think what you are going to write.
And please don't forget to include the evidence to support your idea....

You day dreamer paper tiger read nicely the history rhis is not batman's comic or a porno book,third hand news,or a fashion tv which is your choice.
The crusades started in 1095 CE, with the speech made by Pope Urban II. In that speech, Pope Urban II referred to the Christians as the noble race of the Franks. He encouraged Christians to join the armies to get Jerusalem from the Muslims. Most of the crusaders that left Europe to fight the Muslims were actually aiming to form kingdoms and acquire the wealth found in those lands. That is why the many groups of crusaders were often quarreling amongst themselves over rule of places when they conquered cities.

The crusaders were against everyone who did not follow their religion and did not look like them. This included Muslims, Jews, and even dark-skinned Christians, all of whom were attacked and murdered by them. They even sacked the city of Constantinople, which was ruled by the Eastern Church (the Byzantine Church).

The People's Crusade

The People's Crusade started before the First Crusade. It was to be a total failure. More than fifteen thousand people joined the army lead by Walter the Penniless. Later Peter the Hermit and most of the crusaders took off to Constantinople, from where they planned to go to Jerusalem. However, Peter the Hermit and his advisors had not paid attention to how they were going to feed this huge army. As a result, wherever the crusaders went, they ate up the land like a mass of hungry locusts. Furthermore, wherever these crusaders went, they plundered the land, burned cities, and slaughtered people. All of the murdered people were Christians. The crusaders then went beyond Constantinople and started their looting of Christian lands again.

Dear Hamzah,lol,
Is it so hard for you to understand we don't want our choices dictated to us?
Our choice would be to have nothing to do with your religion at all.
If your idea is to conquer then you cannot be surprised if YOU are given the choice of death or going back to the stone age from whence you came.
Leave us to get on with our lives and you go back to worshipping your paedophile prophet in the desert.As for" butchering",PLEASE,Islam is the butcher for the ages.
Your halal brand of justice is no secret.You are just one plague-rat of many that constitutes islam.It might also behove you to stop eating with your arse as then you might stop shitting from your mouth.

Hamzah: "they will be asked to pay the "jizya," this is a tax which is paid by non- believers, this tax will guarantee their safety under the caliphate and provide for them. If the second option is also not chosen then the non- believers will be put to the sword..."

This is the same as Mafia "protection," i.e.: protection from the same people that you pay for "protection." It boils down to "pay me or I will cut off your head, or rape your daughter and then kill her in front of you, or we will burn down you house, or we will confiscate your house, or, or, or, or......"

Political Islam is no different from Nazism or Communism in this regard, i.e.: the Islamic Government is the master of the individual and his/her so-called God-given rights to property, liberty and life (reverse order of the Declaration of Independence). Political Islam is the enemy of the United States because it is the enemy of the American Declaration of Independence.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…” Declaration of Independence

Firstly the Islamic Government tells the non-Muslim that all men are not created equal; the Muslim is politically and culturally superior to the non-Muslim - a violation of our Declaration of Independence.

Secondly the Islamic Government is a thief; it steals the property of non-Muslims through the tyrannical jizya taxation, and thereby violates the individual’s sacred right to creatively pursue happiness by laboring for his/her property – a violation of our Declaration of Independence.

Thirdly the Islamic Government is the enemy of the individual’s sacred right to liberty. When the individual speaks out against the violation of his property, or the Islamic Religion, or the Islamic Government, he is silenced; silenced by coercion, imprisonment or further threats to property – a violation of our Declaration of Independence.

Fourthly, the Islamic Government is the enemy of the individual's sacred right to life because if he/she cannot be silenced any other way, then there is always violence and murder.

Don’t forget, all of this tyranny is legal under Islamic Government - legalized tyranny. The legalized tyranny of the British Empire is what led to our Declaration of Independence and to war, and we also faced down through war, the legalized tyranny of Nazism and Communism. Now we have a new enemy; a different form of legalized tyranny in religious form. It is now time to dust off the Declaration of Independence because it is not only an eternal declaration of human liberty; it is an eternal declaration of war “against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” The American Declaration of Independence is resting on something – look closer – it rests upon God’s terrible swift sword.

“I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

If for a second you disconnect your brains from CNNBCBSABCBBC, you would realize that that the people who need to worry about this caliphate are the banks which indebt you, the insurance companies which extort you, the governments which over tax you, and the multinationals which extract the resource you live on top of, and charge you an arm and a leg to use. The caliphate will use violence to rid Muslim lands of occupation, it will not be a killing machine. The purpose of the Caliphate is not to kill, it is to implement the laws of Islam. FYI, if you bothered to study rather then sensationalize, you would know that, there are more people executed in the state of Texas alone then the were executed under the caliphate for long periods of time.

Oi! no one,
Read the posts below and forget about your far fetched conpiracy theories!
Your pathetic non sequiters make you look like your pseudonym!
Just in case you don't understand the caliphate it is to enslave we infidels to accept your idiotic death cult.
On our side are reason and science.
On your side stupidity and inane dogma.
Infidels always win!

And why should we want to live under the laws of Islam? We have the freedom to choose not to use banks, not to buy insurance, to vote out those that raise our taxes, and we choose what we buy and don't buy, and who we buy it from, under Islam, we loose all those choices, all that freedom. You are "no one" because you are a slave to those who claim to represent Allah, who set down the rules you live by 1400 years ago, and hasn't been seen or heard from since. I pity you, you poor, ignorant, fool.

"The purpose of the Caliphate is not to kill, it is to implement the laws of Islam."

Hhmmm...implementing the laws of Islam.....I'm pretty sure there's alot of killing involved there.

I'm pretty sure there would be a lot of killing involved there!
You bet your sweet bippy there would!(bippy is a word I got from an American; it requires no explanation)
Our new pal Zaiyaf (when one tries to unravel his quaint syntax)is a prize example of the mental pathology that characterises the believers.
As SR sagely commented"their dream of power is our nightmare".
Nightmare in this context is almost an understatement!

Hamza just LIED to all of you! It is called "taqqiya" and taqqiya is lying to promote the cause of Islam!

The FIRST choice that people will be given when Islam takes over is CONVERT OR BE KILLED! THOSE are your 2 choices!

Now IF you are a Jew or a Christian (People of the Book), you have a third choice (but ONLY Christians and Jews have this option). You can agree to live as a SECOND CLASS CITIZEN (a 'dhimmi') under Muslim rule. You are to pay an onerous tax (the jizya) for this privilege of being 2nd class with very few rights. The list is too long to give here, but you must always give way to a Muslim. If a Muslim strikes you, you must never strike him back. Your testimony in court is at MOST 1/2 the value of the testimony of a Muslim. You can never be in a position of power over a Muslim. You are to pay your jizya bowed and on your hands and knees to show that you are subjugated and that you feel subjugated. You can never build or rebuild a church or synagogue. If you have a church or synagogue now, it cannot be repaired and it must just be allowed to deteriorate until it falls down. You are not to pray or sing where a Muslim might hear you, because they might have their feelings hurt!! Gays, adulterers and fornicators are to be killed. And it goes ON and ON!

If you violate ANY of these conditions of being a second class citizen, you are no longer 'protected' and you may then be KILLED!

HAMZA? Why did you LIE to these good people? Why can't you tell the truth? Could it be that you are practicing taqqiya?!?!?!? Shame on you Hamza! And shame on Muhammed who is NOT a prophet and not someone to be honored! And shame on the Quran, which is NOT a holy book!!! (Just so all of you know, what I have just said means that in Hamza's mind and that of other Muslims, I should NOW BE KILLED!!!)

Why did Hamza lie? Because that's what islam is all about, lies, violence
and hate. Agree 150% with you on all your other points.

"Muslims have been dreaming about a Caliphate that can unite the entire Muslim world and rule with strict Islamic code ever since the death of Muhammed. There have been coups, countercoups and civil wars because of disagreements over wether or not to install the Caliph."

Well if your going to make crap statements like this one then no wonder the rest fall down. OK, you put this one year ago and I assume you may have learned something since then and now regret making such a statement.

You have even hinted on the reality, since even you know that only wacko radical groups like Hizb ut-Tahrir claim for such a creation. I assume you also have the base level logic that the schisms, the different countries and even the different radical groups all have their own ideas let alone ideals.

Simply put, the above "essay" as some idiot referred to, is just as much a stupid dream as tose of the leadership of Hizb ut-Tahrir.

So, what you are saying is that this is just a bullshit scam and a worldwide muz califate is just a mechanism to create troubles in countries that are resistant to muz acting like assholes? So, we should cut muz extra slack because acting like muz assholes is "just what they do" or they will go through with their threat to take over and give the country they are infesting to a califate that doesn't even exist? Clear this up for me, this hillbilly redneck is a little confused. Thanks ahead of time.

I will try and put it to you in another way, and I suggest you also look below at my answer to Sir_W.

The worlwide caliphate is a political "scam" put forward by homeless conservative-radical groups. I say homeless because they have no national loyalties and thus nationalist sentiment. Look at them, the British-based Hizbis infiltrate all of Europe and GB and are constantly at odds with the nations because they cannot see themselves as anything other than their version of Muslims. I cannot even link the word "Islam" with them at all. Al Qaeda is not even a single organisation but the sum-total of linking terrorst organisations and if there is any Al Qaeda ideology - which I do not think there is - it still has to fall under the same no-nation identity and thus are in conflict with anythng that has a state-or nationalist-identity. They are always in, for example, conflict with the Taliban and they do not kill each other because of a common enemy - but they cannot be at peace with them because the Taliban has a strong tribalist-nationalist identity. Thus Al Qaeda goes for the utopian ideal of a Caliphate.

So no a Caliphate does not exist, it did not from technically the year 661 when people and politics started tearing it up. To make it even more simple, only state-less ultra-radical or violent fringe groups demand it, because they are state-less.

A word of warning though, if the stupid liberal "niceness" of tolerance in the west continues to these radicals whom have absolutely no loyalty to the countries they are in, you will end up with them becoming revolutionaries attempting to have that Caliphate, even if it only in the west. No chance of it happening, but I see bloodshed if it is not fixed "now".

Chat to you in three weeks or so, I would rather not log on during my travels.

We would rather you not as well. I'll miss you :'(

Good answer, Thanks. More or less what I had surmised but wanted some clarification and an opinion from some one that may know things that I haven't heard. Thanks again.

Solkhar, like most Muslims, you seem to be unaware of your own history, because that's what this is about, history. You're so defensive, so anxious to defend your faith, you miss the point. "Therefore, Muslims are stuck in an eternal struggle between Islamists and nationalists." That doesn't hint at the reality, that is the reality. That's why you call Hizb ut-Tahir "wacko" even though you're a Muslim. I take that to mean you're a nationalist. Especially since you often defend Muslim countries as being secular. You DON'T believe in the dream of a Caliphate, do you? If you don't, why are you defending those that do? And you're right, those that do are the radicals, like Hizb ut-Tahir or Al Qeada.

I am more than aware of history and its implications on the present. I defend the core principles of Islam as defined in the Holy Qur'an and nothing esle, which I believe are the creations of man, be it with good or bad intentions.

Muslims, like all faiths are defined by the powers of conservatism and reform which in turn is governed at various times by the non-interested, the moderates and the radicals (on both sides of the spectrum). For a multitude of reasons the effects on a faith as a whole is laffected - the industrial revolution had the greatest effect on Christianity that allowed moderate reformers to dominate and correctly the power of Church and State was separated and though you have radical conservatives, the State ensures they remain on the fringe and without much influence on the state. Similarly for a multitude of reasons, that same level of reform did not happen. One major factor is that western dominance ensured that the ongoing reform and the moderates in Islam took second fiddle to the desire for independence and to shrug off colonial power. In some instance, religous repression took place. That is no excuse but historical fact but it only goes so far and since independence, what is the excuses? Nationalism, fractured disunitity for sure, corruption and selfishness is certainly another. The list goes on and on, because as I said, a multitude of factors and generalizing simply does work (hint, hint to everyone here).

So what you consider a struggle between Islamists and Nationalists is directed a little incorrectly as the conflict or struggle is between conservatism and reform AT THE SAME TIME AS radicalism and moderacy.

I am not a nationalist and I am certainly not an Islamist, I am a moderate-reformist, as simple as that. I cannot be a nationalist because that implies a particular style of governance which taking a particular side for me seems naive and silly. I certainly do not believe in the dream of a Caliphate, and I should point out that the vast majority of Muslims and all governemnts in this world do not. I do not see how you say I defend those that do, I condemn them, I never defend radicals but you may be confusing the fact that I point out incorrect statements and assumptions when talking about Islam.

We can chat about this another time as I am away for just under a month, flying out tonight.

If you're not a nationalist or an Islamist, what "style of governance" is left? As a moderate-reformist, what are you trying to reform? Islam? If it's Islam, are you trying to reform all of Islam? Are you trying to reform how Islam relates to government and politics? Are you advocating seperation of church and state in Muslim countries? It's one thing to want reform, it's another thing to actually bring it about. Do you have or know of any way to bring about reform in Islam? I hope you do, because there is great potential for a lot of bloodshed with the Islamic world the way things are going.

dear all subscribers,
you give more to emotional contents and pressured motivations than to proper thinking and scientific researching in discussing and/or expressing your opinions... for sure there is no such religion called islam held in those characteristics - as have been told by many here - it is a divertion and implementations made by ancient goverments under the name of rule which is recalled caliphate. we still reflect upon things as they reached us from our ancestors to think they are the untouchable truth but indeed what we know are mere facts, yet facts mostly not reflect the truth and this is a scientific fact. i advice all to read within opened mind - not to recite - read entirely both the Bible and the Book of God. see where you can be convienced it is true and where you find decieves. and see how intrusion of humanity along history changed the truth into made-up facts. we keep thinking that what we currently understand is pure christianity and pure islam as so we establish our judgements.

I don't belong to any religion, several of the posters on this site are atheists. Together, we have a lot of scientific and scholary knowledge. You should know there is really no such thing as scientific fact, there is only theory which if you have the open mind science requires, is always open to question. The truth is a subjective thing at the best of times, especially when it comes to religion, and religious books. Which is why there are many religious sects based both on the Bible and the "Book of God". You say "there is no such religion called islam held in those characteristics". You're entitled to your opinion, but you don't really explain what characteristics you're refering too, or why they're not islam. If you want to be truthful and scientific, you need to be specific with your arguments. I establish my judgements based on what I see and read in the media of the actions of Christians, Jews and Muslims, in light of what I know of human history going back to the beginnings of civilization. Does your knowledge go back that far? If it does, then you should know the Bible is a condensed and edited version of earlier texts, and I'll bet you know a lot about the "Book of God", because I'd take odds that you're a Muslim. If so, you'll never question where your book came from. So Guest, I recommend you take your own advice and read with an open mind, and read other books besides the Bible and the "Book of God". As far as this post is concerned, I recommend you start with Islamic Imperialism, A History by Efraim Karsh, King's College University of London.