Three men charged in honor killing in Jordan

Again, thanks for keeping this kind of news in the forefront. We are our sisters’ keepers.

Karen Tintori, author
Unto the Daughters: The Legacy of an Honor Killing in a Sicilian-American Family
http://www.karentintori.com

[...] Three men charged in honor killing in Jordan [...]

Just to put things in perspective:

From the 2008 UN Report on Violence Against Women

“Several global surveys suggest that half of all women who die from homicide are killed by their current or former husbands or partners. In Australia, Canada, Israel, South Africa and the United States, 40%-70% of female murder victims were killed by their partners.”

http://www.un.org/women/endviolence/docs/VAW.pdf

Just to put things in perspective:

From the 2008 UN Report on Violence Against Women

“Several global surveys suggest that half of all women who die from homicide are killed by their current or former husbands or partners. In Australia, Canada, Israel, South Africa and the United States, 40%-70% of female murder victims were killed by their partners.”

http://www.un.org/women/endviolence/docs/VAW.pdf

Actually there have been honor killings among the Christian community in Jordan.

Easy to say, but where’s your evidence?

http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE5AE06420091115

Here’s a recent case from Egypt

Another article that mentions the case of a Christian Palestinian man killing his daughter

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jun/23/israel

Meanwhile I have thousands of Muslim honor killings I can point to.
http://infidelsarecool.com/honor-killings

In a way, that’s OK because the idiots that would kill instead of just divorcing the wench are taking themselves out of the gene pool. Look what stupidity has done for the gene pools of the muz….idiots abound among them! A lot of them are kinda “funny lookin’” like inbreeders too.

Not to mention the 16,161 jihadi attacks on innocents since 9/11 either……the muz just like to kill…as minions of the devil, they see it as normal.

Look, I didn’t say there were no Muslim honor killings. I’ve actually studied this for years, I can get you many more references if you like. It was part of my graduate work actually. I’m just trying to make the very simple point that things are not as simplistic as you folks like to make them out to be, they are in fact so much more complex. When someone kills an abortion provider or attacks a gay person, claiming they are a good Christian and that is what god wants them to do, do you then condemn all Christrians as blood thirsty killers? When Fred Phelps and his followers picket the funerals of US service members and people who have died of AIDS do you paint all Christians with the same brush and say they are all crazy? What of the ever growing child sex abuse scandal in the Catholic Church? Do you claim all Catholics are pedophiles? When Baruch Goldstein killed 29 people and wounded more than 125 in a Palestinian mosque did you say oh look at those Jews they are all crazy killers? The Middle East is an incredibly complicated place, strife with social and political problems. Even in the abscence of religion – if those same social and political problems existed the outcome would be much the same. Think of it this way, in Norther Ireland the strife between the Catholics and Protestants – is that really a conflict solely about religion? Or is it a conflict between one group who wants to leave the UK and join the Irish Republic and another group who does not want to do that? People on both sides will cloak their positions in religious language to give their position legitimacy in their own minds, but is it really about religion? Not so simple is it?

Of course there are more honor killings by Muslims since they are in the majority and Christians are in the minority. If anyone wants an accurate account and history of honor killins read the works of Rana Husseini, a female Jordanian journalist and human rights activist. You will learn much more from it than you will from this little propoganda site. This is nothing more than an online catalog detailing horrible things done by horrible people who happened to be Muslim. One could as well have a site like this just listing horrible things done by horrible people who happened to be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Bhuddist, Shinto etc etc etc. All of these listing with out any undertanding or interest whatsoever in the broader social, political or cultural issues is useless and meaningless. Your advoidance of those issues speaks true volumes about youre true motivations and objectives here.

The key word in your example is Palestinian. The Palestinian culture is overwhelmingly Islamic. Palestinians are ruled by the PA and Hamas. Their laws, rules, and culture come from them. Even the Christians that live under that have been negatively influenced, as your example shows. The father pointed to their laws to justify his actions, despite being a Christian. Why do both Christians and Muslims have cultural taboos against inter-faith marriage in Palestinian society? Why is it not honorable for either side to do that? Can you answer those questions?

The problem is, you cannot seperate the social and politcal problems from religion in the Middle East, because all those kinds of problems stem from one religion that dominates in that region, Islam. Yes, the strife in Northern Ireland was about religion, the same way it was about religion when England’s king divorced his country from the Catholic church rather than submit to the Pope’s rule, and created his own church. The Irish Cathoics didn’t want to live under that country’s rule, it is that simple. In the Middle East, the Jews have regained their own country and refuse to live under Islam’s rule, and that galls the hell out of Islam, because it’s a thorn in it’s plans to rule the whole world. If they can’t destroy tiny Israel, how can they conquer the world?

One thing George Bush got right is when he said democracy has a moderating influence on extremism. Unfortuanately you can’t bring democracy by force. You know Iran was once a democracy and we overthew their democratically elected goverment and put the shah back in power (all over oil). The Shah was tyrannt, torturing and killing his own people to stay in power, even though he was a secularist. That naturally bred resentment and hatred of his regime, climaxing in the Islamin revolution. Has we just minded our own business and not done that, the Islamic revolution most probably never would have happened because the resentment that led up to it among society never would have happened. So, Iran today could still in all likelyhood be a functioning democracy. There are democratic progressive minded people in those countries, I know from my travellings and talking to them and listening to their woes and complaints. Those are the people we must find a way to support, not with military and intervention, but in other ways. Those people are part of the solution waiting to happen. Even among Palestinians there are such people, you don’t see the ones I’ve talked to who hate Hamas for example and say hamas is holding them hostage in gaza too. A fair and equitable resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would be one of the greatest blows to extremism.

It’s simply curtural. In the ME your religion is also seen as an identification of your culture and some I’ve talked to see an interfaith marriage as betraying your cultural heritage. People here used to get very up set when a Catholic and a Protestant married each other. There are cases in Northern Ireland of thugs murdering mixed Catholic and Protestant couples. I have a Jewish friend, he married a Catholic woman of Italian ancestry. His parents were highly higly upset he told me himself because of her not being Jewish. Did they kill anyone over it? No. But the anger and vitriol was still there. And he said that is common among many Jews families, particularly the more observant one. By the way – have you ever been to Northern Ireland? The British may have a peace deal in place, but things are still tense there. The two groups will still go after each other if something sets them off. The Basque separatist group in Spain, albeit a nationalistic movent, has carried out thousands of attaks in spain since the 1960s, even bombed tourist areas in an attempt to hurt the spanish government, kidnapped, tortured and killed Spanish government officials, there have been periods where a bomb would go off almost on a weekly basis in Madrid. When al-qaeda attacked the tranist system there, the security forces initially right after it happened suspected the Basque separatist off doing it. But, my point is despite all of that, the Spanish people do not live in a constant state of irrational fear and hysteria. We must remain vigilant against terrorism, but not give into hysteria. I for one refuse to live in a perpetual state of fear. If I did that then that would mean the terrorists have won. I won’t let that happen.

Oh, I forgot to mention, if you read about Hindu extremism in India, you will learn that killings which are very common to these honor killings also take place there. I’ve read many cases of men there dousing their wives with gasoline or kerosene and setting them afire because of some perceived slight or grudge. The one that sticks in my mind is the man who did it along with his family b/c he was unhappy with his dowry.