A reader from Free Republic has dug up an old article last year (March 07) From TNR about Obama. It was written by Ryan Lizza, Senior editor at The New Republic. It’s a biographical piece, but in the article, it explicitly states that Jeremiah Wright is a former Muslim.
From Wright and others, Obama learned that part of his problem as an organizer was that he was trying to build a confederation of churches but wasn’t showing up in the pews on Sunday. When pastors asked him the inevitable questions about his own spiritual life, Obama would duck them uncomfortably. A Reverend Philips put the problem to him squarely when he learned that Obama didn’t attend services. “It might help your mission if you had a church home,” he told Obama. “It doesn’t matter where, really. What you’re asking from pastors requires us to set aside some of our more priestly concerns in favor of prophesy. That requires a good deal of faith on our part. It makes us want to know just where you’re getting yours from.”
After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright’s church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for “Buppies”–black urban professionals–and didn’t have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’”
The crosscurrents appealed to Obama. He came to believe that the church could not only compensate for the limitations of Alinsky-style organizing but could help answer the nagging identity problem he had come to Chicago to solve. “It was a powerful program, this cultural community,” he wrote, “one more pliant than simple nationalism, more sustaining than my own brand of organizing.”
As a result, over the years, Wright became not only Obama’s pastor, but his mentor. The title of Obama’s recent book, The Audacity of Hope, is based on a sermon by Wright. (It’s worth noting, however, that, while Obama’s book is a coolheaded appeal for common ground in an age of political polarization, Wright’s sermon, “The Audacity to Hope,” is a fiery jeremiad about persevering in a world of nuclear arms and racial inequality.) Wright is one of the first people Obama thanked after his Senate victory in 2004, and he recently name-checked Wright in his speech to civil rights leaders in Selma, Alabama.
So the question is, why hasn’t anyone mentioned the fact that he’s a former Muslim? Could this be why Obama’s church posted a Hamas manifesto in the Trinity Church program last year? It obviously explains Wright’s affinity with Louis Farrakhan. It also explains more why Rev. Wright got his Masters degree in “Islam in West Africa”
This is just another blow to the Obama campaign. The American people are not ready to hand the reins to someone who’s associations are beyond sketchy.
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@ Tonto and Kal- you took that pigskin and ran it to the end zone! In the words of my favorite sports announcer- “HE… COULD… GO… ALL… THE… WAY!!” And the crowd goes wild!
Before I start, let it be known that I am an 11 year ACTIVE DUTY member of the US Navy. I am an 8404 Corpsman (IE: Combat Medic) and have been deployed to combat in both Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as numerous HD/ID (Hazardous Duty/Imminent Danger) operations to include Mindanao, East Timor and Djibouti. I am also Christian, and Caucasian… and will be voting for Mcain/Palin.
Having said that, and knowing that “Obamaman”, and “Alonzo” will undoubtedly focus in on, and obsess over, the final 10 words of my opening statement, I think that it is entirely evident from just reading a few posts where the “hypocrisy” of thought lays. You’ve got both Alonzo and Obamaman screaming “Racism”, you both are guilty of making sweeping claims that would be considered “Racist” if reversed and spoken by a non-minority. (Emphasis mine)
Alonzo: “I don’t know if you are a racist, however anyone that angry with black people for expressing their pain in suffering in this country is suspect. Any non black person that uses the N-word is suspect of racism”
Hmm, this one is RIFE… let’s see, we’ve got the implied racist double standard of:
If you are white you can’t be upset at a black person who is expressing THEIR anger. Although if you are black.. it’s ok. Moral of the story, only black people are allowed to publicly express anger about someone of a different skin color. Otherwise, you are “suspect” of being racist.
Then there’s the CLASSIC “N” bomb double standard where if you are Black it’s ok to say it to whomever you like, but if you are white and it even touches your lips… you are “Suspect” of being racist.
Alonzo:
“However there are a large percentage of ethnic people who have been incarcerated who’ve never done anything (read my post above)”
Please post a link to ANYTHING with some validity to it that states this. Otherwise, you are just spouting off unsupported racial propaganda. And let’s keep in mind that there are also examples of OBVIOUSLY guilty folks getting off the hook. (OJ Simpson ring a bell? What about William Ayers?)
Alonzo:
“What would you call a man who divorced his ailing wife with three kids to run off with a trophy wife worth 800 million dollars? A pig, a scumbag, something worse…? I know one thing, I would never call him President.”
Wow!!! Hmm, there’s that crazy double standard again. At least Mcain had the decency to DIVORCE when he reaized his marriage wasn’t working…and he didn’t do it WHILE HE WAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL much less the PRESIDENT!. My answer to your question, one word, “Lewinsky”… or “Flowers”, or “Jones”, or “Gracen”, or “Perdue”, or “Browning”.
Alonzo:
”Lincoln only suggested this because he thought whites and blacks could not live in peace.”
Pure conjecture, link to supporting evidence please. More racist propaganda.
Alonzo:
”Well you did say if Collin Power (sic) was running you would vote for him. But that is what all people on your side of America say. Let’s face it you guys, no matter how good a black person is you wouldn’t vote for him.”
THIS is the most utterly RACIST comment on this whole thread. You have ZERO basis for this statement. None. It is PURELY your OPINION, and a bigotted one at that.
Alonzo:
“So the only conclusion that I can come to is that you guys make up things about him [Obama] because you don’t want to say you hate him because he is black.”
Again, probably the SECOND most RACIST comment on this thread. Nobody has “Made up” anything about Obama here. Besides, even if there were some questionable comments made about him, it PALES in significance or comparison to the level of scrutiny and pure FALSE accusations tossed Sarah Palin’s way by the left.
Alonzo:
“By the way, slaves were not brought to a great country. But in the words of the patriot John Brown, this was a “Guilty Nation that could only be purged by blood.”
The fact that you even quote this shows how you feel about America. I suppose you feel that 9/11 was a “justified reaction” too?
Alonzo:
“Carlos: I know some rural voters are bitter and cling to their guns. In fact they also create militias to overtake the government. In fact, I have driven through these places and they literally give me mean looks. I don’t know what you call it but it looks bitter to me. Secondly, Obama needed secret service from the day he entered the race because your rural voters have been making death threats against him because he is black. If you recall, that is why Collin Power did not run. ”
Man, let’s see… I guess because YOU SAY you’ve had an experience that could support Obama’s statement that makes it true. ok. Well, using YOUR logic and based on MY experience I can then conclude that the alleged comment made by Paul Hammond that “All black people stink!” is in fact true because I have met one or two african-Americans that.. well… stunk. As to your second part, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE supporting your claim that Colin POWELL refused to run because of “death threats”. Link something please.
Man, I could just go on and on.. but I have things to do. Alonzo, Obamaman… you might want to look around to see if the walls of your house are made of glass, you guys have been throwing some pretty big stones.
Doc
DocNavy,
I served a tour in the United States Air Force, and my brother served a tour in the United States Navy, aboard the USS Bataan. I, rather we (Infidels Are Cool) salute you and thank you for your service.
Regarding your replies to Obamamanalonzo (FYI it is the same person posting under different usernames) – WOW, if we had the funds we’d put you on payroll!
Thanks,
I was just doing some research on the candidates and this site popped up. After reading some of what has been posted on this thread I just HAD to speak up. I’m a straight talker, and I like the people I converse with to be straight with me. One of the things that drives me up the wall with today’s new left is that they seem to thrive on double-talk, rhetoric, and it some cases outright falsehoods. How can ANYONE make a solid decision with a group of people advising you that refuse to tell you straight??
Obama is a PERFECT example of this. The guy is an empty vessel. Less than 200 days in the Senate with, what… over 170 “Present” votes? On top of that he’s missed some heavy hitting decisions that needed voting on in the Senate while he’s been campaigning. Jeesh, is that what passes for “leadership” in the Democratic Party? Take a stand, Man!! Something! Anything! He talks about being agaist the War from the beginning…I don’t think that when the vote came down to “Go”, or “No Go” on Iraq, having the position of “Present” counts as being AGAINST the War. It’s called, “Fence-sitting”.
Again, look at his buzz phrase of “Change we can believe in”. The guy is totally incapable of expressing EXACTLY what kind of change he is proposing. Other than talking about slashing the Defence budget (A completely standard Dem policy. So much so that whenever a Dem is elected the US military takes it as a GIVEN, and plans for smaller budgets.) and hiking the taxes on the “Wealthy” (Another standard Dem policy. “Punish the rich, it’s all their fault!”) he’s given us bupkiss on his version of “Change”.
Personally, I think the reason he’s been vague about his “Change” is because his DSA “Handlers” haven’t figured out which aspect of socialism to try to foist on the Amarican public yet. That just MY opinion though. I bet old “Richard” up there at the top of this thread would agree with me though.
Doc
Should have added this:
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.”
– Norman Thomas, American socialist
Doc
DOC:
Absolutely 100% Right. Elect John McCain/Sarah Palin or Obama will serve our head up on a platter to Iran, etc etc etc. Obama and Michelle hate America, and is our countries worst enemy to date. Note: Read my comments on AdMADinjad’S Worst Enemy – Women. He’s got that right. HELL HATH NO FURRY!
The polls today are wrong, another of Obama’s mean tricks. Read Michelle Malkin and find out more of what SOBBHO has been up to.
NRA is now after BHO’s a$$! Good for them. Great report on FOX!! That girl got hot with Bill Burton, told him to hush, it was her show and she was doing the interview. Burton was giving an opinion NOT the facts, against a NRA ad. So he shut up. YOU GO GIRL! WOMEN SPEAK UP AND PRAY! “get’er done!”
DocNavy, excellent! Thanks for your service, my great uncle was a cook in the navy during WW2 on a ship in the south Pacific. I have nothing but gratitude towards the men and women that serve this country!
The creeping Socialism is coming with BHO and hopefully he will be stopped. Carolyn hits it, the Obamas hate America. I read Michelle’s little Princeton paper and damned if my computer isn’t right by the kitchen! I was ready to get beni-hana on that ass! Her racism shows worse than her crows feet!
Jennyjen: good one on crows feet! Michelle’s temporary cure: MO can use a ton of preparation H for crows feet, but she still would scare a buzzard off a gut wagon. MO’s hatred that pours out of that ugly mouth of hers, with demonic envy of all Americans is eating her up from the inside out, and there is no cure.
When Obama loses sight of his teleprompter he’s a goner. No cure for that, which is a good thing, can’t wait until the debates. He can’t remember what, where, when, go figure? Pray for the confusion of the enemy, pretty confused already! YEA!
I’m with you Carolyne…Confusion to the enemy. maybe they’ll all turn on each other and slaughter each other and it will all be over. It’s happened before. Biblically speaking. Lots of people in S. Cali calling for 40 days of prayer and fasting starting today for the election.
Liz great, I could use some fasting and our country needs the prayer. What a day! Dick Morris (he has grown on me lately) said tonight Palin was McCain’s first great move, and today was his second. I agree. Morris said, McCain has the solution and that will put him on top the rest of the time. Piss Ant Obama blunder was today, just call me when you need me, attitude. Well guess what, we don’t need you Mr. Obama or want to ever call you. Obama you are NOT. .
I repeat, NOT WANTED OR NEEDED. Sleep well my friends knowing all is well.
Agreed.
I reference my earlier post:
“The guy [Obama} is an empty vessel. Less than 200 days in the Senate with, what… over 170, “Present” votes? On top of that he’s missed some heavy hitting decisions that needed voting on in the Senate while he’s been campaigning. Jeesh, is that what passes for “leadership” in the Democratic Party? Take a stand, Man!! Something! Anything!”
I guess they should make a new classification of senatorial vote, “Not Present, but there in Spirit”. Now Obama (and the rest of the Dems) seem to think that McCain is some some sort of sneaky, devious, sly fox because there’s a CRISIS in the US and he wants to get back to the seat of leadership and LEAD!!
You know, sometimes I feel like “Mugatu” from the movie Zoolander when I hear some of the crazy stuff that comes from the left… “Mugatu- What’s going on!! I feel like I’ve been taking CRAZY PILLS!!”
Doc
This is a real weird site, opens in April, pops up again in May/Jun goes dormant again until August. Seems who ever forwards it only does so in times where McCain is falling apart, and it does not take rocket science to figure it out. This is a McCain sponsored site and should state so if any credibility is to be given . I love finding these sites, run by bigots and half wits who have no upbringing or up brining by the same seed parentswho are also half wits and racists.If Jeremiah was a bulfrog it wouldn’t matter as he is not running . Nothing but a track left by the foaming mouth for evidence on the slight of hand trying to say Obama was a Muslim for 31 years?? What kind of but wipe material is this??
The thing about it is some people care about and are aware of certain things going on. How can someone go to a church for 20 years and then just say that it had no effect on them? Barack Obama smooths one lie on top of the other and people just eat it up. Character is the issue. Muslims want world domination, it is in the Koran. They are trying to move up to places of high authority in the US so they can start controlling everything. We are ‘infedels’ if we don’t submit to Allah. It sounds crazy to some, but it is the truth. People really need to wake up.
Obama man: Most violent crimes in the US are committed by either African Americans or Latinos– that's an incontrovertible FACT.
In fact, far more African Americans have been (and continue to be) attacked and murdered by other African Americans than by whites.
I won't call you an idiot either. You are a hypocrite. (And a racist–but anyone who gets as much mileage out of being a racist as yourself must have noticed that racism can be a very valuable tool to get what you want with).
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Obama man is a hippy. shut up and leave us with brains alone
I feel sorry for white now that feel like there views are being left out. Its sad seeing all the weird, painful and hateful comments. I wonder the ages of the most hateful, or their social economic status in life. I wonder what they have been taught as children. I'm black, look black.. and short to boot. I've grown to have a soft spot for the disenfranchised yet I can not engage myself in it. Gezz these country only accepts me to fail, and doing a yo mens job of making it difficult. But work to perserver – I have no choice and really I want to.. I'm american and that's what Americans do. We pull ourselves up from our boot straps and win and work and strive.
Whats all this business about drugs and crime – that's lack of self love and education… lack of self love comes from the torrent of negative stereotypes we see on tv. LIke cops – producers of Cops will tell… white amercia is not interested in white crime.. they want to see white cops jacking blacks… its good for ratings.. but awfule for black families and black children. It also drives fear into people who dont know any black people. I even get scared of black people.. but I watch tv… its not really true. Not really… but you have to know many black people to actually say its not true. Not the 6:00 news.. blacks killing blacks or black criminals or alleged etc..is great TV.
My daughter is college bound and she was writing a paper that wanted a 1500 word answer. The question was "Can we trust our senses to know what is true" I have been helping her figure this out and there is no real easy answer to this…. We finally came to the realization that Truth is in your beliefs… so truth is what you believe in. Data = truth and senses= state of mind (for the most part)… so one can believe the data and thats it. Others believe in themselves and create truth. Well it goes on and on, my point is.
Life is a journey, some of us are dealt a good hand and some of us are not. Like any card game, cards are re dealt and you could get a good hand. Blacks since we we're pretty much taken over and blasted by the slave trade were dealt and bad hand.
But slowly and not so steadily the hands is getting better. So good white and black people, lets try to do something different when the hand is in our favor… lets not repeat history if we can help it.
Yes I'm all over the place – but I feel good I wrote a few words.
Never in my life have I seen such small-minded, mean-spirited, knee-jerk reactionism concentrated in one place. Is it any wonder the Republicans have LOST AND KEEP ON LOOSING since 2004? I have a suggestion: take your "seed capital" and go "seed" a society where slavery is again legal (so you don't have to pay workers a living wage). Build an education system built on religious chicanery, where mythology and personal opinion is taught as science, and then scratch your collective empty head as to why your nation is at the bottom of the economic and technological scrap heap. Your policies, values, and agendas have FAILED MISERABLY and have been rejected by the LARGEST MAJORITY OF AMERICAN VOTERS IN OVER 100 YEARS. Good bye, and good riddance.
Richard
What you wrote exemplifies why we are in very big trouble. The stupidity and ignorance displayed above “They are 2 different things”. Oh yes what a patriot Wright is, the line forms at the rear to get your head sawed off.
The founding fathers had stellar military records didn't they. Hitler fought in WWI, so he was a patriot so of course everyone should follow him. A little heads up, you are not a patriot in America if you hate your country. Wright spews ignorance, stupidity, and hatred.
Where would the Democrats be without Ignorance, Stupidity, and Hatred. As a voter you should be angry that they know they can count on this from you. I repeat we are are in trouble.
He's also a lying sack of sh*t
“…So the question is, why hasn’t anyone mentioned the fact that he’s a former Muslim? Could this be why Obama’s church posted a Hamas manifesto in the Trinity Church program last year? It obviously explains Wright’s affinity with Louis Farrakhan. It also explains more why Rev. Wright got his Masters degree in “Islam in West Africa”
This is just another blow to the Obama campaign. The American people are not ready to hand the reins to someone who’s associations are beyond sketchy…”
Oh dear – but we did and he has knelt before the Saudi king and we have kaddafi here on a visit, and the bomber got let out of Scotland – with an ok from the WH, and Obama had a big feast for Ramadan – but canceled National Prayer day.
So here we are…we handed over the reins – and now he reigns at least for a time.
SICK BUT NOT SURPRISING-ONCE A MUSLIM ALWAYS A MUSLIM AND THAT HOLDS TRUE FOR NOMOREBAMA—– IF IF WALKS LIKE A MUSLIM, TALKS LIKE A MUSLIM ITS A MUSLIM ALLRIGHT…. WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE ITS TO LATE…
WAKE up and listen to your Messiah BO's own words!! He admits he ia Muslime!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSz...
WAKE up and listen to your Messiah BO's own words!! He admits he ia Muslime!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSz...
I look at the item and comments and laugh. I am certain down to almost the last Muslims do not consider the Nation of Islam to be a Muslim, unless of course you are one of them. Add to that, every NOI follower whom converted to Islam understood the difference.
Perhaps the argument he re has nothing to do with Muslims or Islam at all, but rather since the vast bulk of the posters here are ….let us say …..not supporters of Obama or the Democrats, thus looking to brand the guy something that they do not really have much value on (or knowledge if you read some of the crap below).
Keep laughing until TRUTH hits you in the face. Obozo has already admitted he is a Muslime!! Dodn't you hear his speech at the UN wherein he said ” I AM A MUSLIME!!! WAKE UP. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim!! Just look at that freak that tried to bomb the plane! ANOTHER MohamMAD! Another stinking low-life mooslum piece of child molesting filth that should be shot and sewn into the skin of a dirty pig and thrown into the river. Now just think of this, they are doing all the bombings for the sake of some moon god allah. KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!
Itsme, you need to get RID of the chip on your shoulder. You know you can easily go back to Africa — nobody is holding you hostage here. WHY haven't you done so if you think life sucks here? hmmmm…..why hang around here and moan and groan? Do you want to spend your life being a whiner? Look at Oprah aka Okra – how come she made her millions here and remains a racist like you? Look at Toger Woods. How come he made his millions in THIS country? Take your BLACK mask OFF and start living like an AMERICAN or just go back to Africa!! Some sane BLACKS have already woken up to the fact that Obozo is a FRAUD. Check this link. VIDEO* ” I should NEVER have supported Barack Obama “
YouTube – I Never Should Have Supported Barack Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcXcB996RKg
Never in my life eh? Thats like Michaele Obozo saying ” Never in my life have I been proud of this country” You people spew hate, hate America and when TRUTH hits you in the face, you call it 'hate” or you fling the word “racist' around. That kind of crap is getting old and doesn't work anymore.
Republivans lost since 2004? And what happened to the Rats PRIOR to 2004? Any clue? Checked the polls lately? Your Messiah is DROPPING LIKE A ROCK – NEVER BFORE in HISTORY has a President had such LOW numbers in the first year!! LOLOLOL
The guy has proven to all ( except for those still on kool aid) that he is a MARXIST, a COMMUNIST and a SOCIALISTS!! He has also proven to be a grade A LIAR. Wake up and smell the ross. He is evil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qhnaLzZzrA&NR=1
WAKE UP AND LISTEN TO OBOZO's own words admitting that he is a crazed Muslim!
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSz...
Obozo himself said he IS a Muslim. Listen to his own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSz...
Not interested in trash, anyone can cut and paste items to suite there needs. In fact I just witnessed two blog comments that made you look like a dickhead,….oh wait, they were not edited and they were from you!!!!
I do not give much of an opinion either way for Obama, but all I care is about accuracy and attacking immature political bullsh*t of which you have shown, thus making you valueless.
Obama is certainly not a Muslim, in his Cairo Speech he could not even pronounce correclty the word Hijab and said Hajib. There are something like 12 main errors in his speech which only non-Muslims make.
Give us all a break and return that head of yours back into your arsehole were it obviously has been hybernating.
Huh?? What?? Your Messiah's OWN words admitting that he IS a Muslime is trash? LOLOL
Yeah he is a trashy Commie/Muslim/Marxist
Here it is again. LISTEN up AND WEAP!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSz...
FORMER, my hind foot. Wright only said that to get illegal funding for their illegal propaganda in that Godless devil worshiping trinity (so called church). Wright is now behind a locked gated community to be able to keep his gay lifestyle in tact. Wonder how many times he has conjugal visits with the POTUS, Rahm and their pals?
Storm Rider: Yes this is taqiyya to the max. I wanted to round off the comments to 230. Lack just one.
Last One: I've told everyone I know about Taqiyya. Thanks for that info. Very valuable in these days and times.
Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright: Former Muslim
resource in regards to taqiyya – deception by Muslims. Pretending to be a Christian can be an act of taqiyya.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islam…
And it came to pass that the American people researched the Internet; read books, and learned the real truth about America. They found out that it was a Negro who owned the first slave, that our history had been rewritten by the Progressive elite, that Negro’s helped George Washington to defeat the British. It was President Eisenhower who wrote the first bill to stop the evil practice of segregation.
And it came to pass that the people realized that Obama and Reverend Wright were one in the same. It became evident that they both hated America; especially the Constitution and our Founding Fathers. The people were so sad because they had elected Obama, their first white/black President. He could have helped America but he was filled with hate and quick to condemn America for its mistakes, but not praise her for all the good she had done. It was evident he cannot help it. He was a great pretender. He pretended to be a Christian but his actions yell out from his sub-conscience, “I am a Muslim.”
The American people prayed for President Obama but their prayers were in vein. Obama was a narcissist. He was a Progressive. The people said, “He could have unify the blacks and whites but he only divided us more.” If he had been a man of character he would have recognized and combated the evil haters in America.
And it came to pass that Americans realized that they must love all of their brothers; especially those who are misguided; filled with hate and do not know it. They prayed that Christ would convert Obama and help him to realize that Rev. Wright was wrong, but their prayers were not answered for Obama.
The American people defeated the professional politicians and replaced them with people of character. They took back their country from evil men and women.
I started watching this again, and I was struck by the thought that I have never heard Obama quote the Bible, or praise Christianity. I’m already convinced he is a closet Muslim, but, this, I think, is another piece of evidence supporting that. The only time he, or his administration, talks about his Christianity, is when they have to defend the idea he is a Christian, to deny accusations he’s not a Christian, that he is a Muslim. As we all know actions speak louder than words, and his actions support Islam in a way they do not support his supposed Christianity. I will never forget his comment “We are no longer a Christian nation”. They have become even more ominous each day that passes since then.
Only when this communist with three Moslem names and a Marxist agenda is finally driven from office, will the Jews’ Media finally begin to scrutinize him. They will suddenly “discover” that Obama is, indeed, a Moslem, and that he is not a native-born American citizen, either.
Hell, they may even eventually discover that Keynesian economics doesn’t work, and that the endless transfer of wealth from those who produce to those who do not, can’t be sustained!
I’m sure that they will seek and eventually find a new Marxist hero and “deliverer,” which should give the rest of us about 20 years to clean-up the mess they’ve made…
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