Obama's pastor Jeremiah Wright: Former Muslim

by Infidelesto on April 7, 2008 · View Comments

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A reader from Free Republic has dug up an old article last year (March 07) From TNR about Obama. It was written by Ryan Lizza, Senior editor at The New Republic. It’s a biographical piece, but in the article, it explicitly states that Jeremiah Wright is a former Muslim.

From Wright and others, Obama learned that part of his problem as an organizer was that he was trying to build a confederation of churches but wasn’t showing up in the pews on Sunday. When pastors asked him the inevitable questions about his own spiritual life, Obama would duck them uncomfortably. A Reverend Philips put the problem to him squarely when he learned that Obama didn’t attend services. “It might help your mission if you had a church home,” he told Obama. “It doesn’t matter where, really. What you’re asking from pastors requires us to set aside some of our more priestly concerns in favor of prophesy. That requires a good deal of faith on our part. It makes us want to know just where you’re getting yours from.”

After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright’s church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for “Buppies”–black urban professionals–and didn’t have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’”

The crosscurrents appealed to Obama. He came to believe that the church could not only compensate for the limitations of Alinsky-style organizing but could help answer the nagging identity problem he had come to Chicago to solve. “It was a powerful program, this cultural community,” he wrote, “one more pliant than simple nationalism, more sustaining than my own brand of organizing.”

As a result, over the years, Wright became not only Obama’s pastor, but his mentor. The title of Obama’s recent book, The Audacity of Hope, is based on a sermon by Wright. (It’s worth noting, however, that, while Obama’s book is a coolheaded appeal for common ground in an age of political polarization, Wright’s sermon, “The Audacity to Hope,” is a fiery jeremiad about persevering in a world of nuclear arms and racial inequality.) Wright is one of the first people Obama thanked after his Senate victory in 2004, and he recently name-checked Wright in his speech to civil rights leaders in Selma, Alabama.

So the question is, why hasn’t anyone mentioned the fact that he’s a former Muslim? Could this be why Obama’s church posted a Hamas manifesto in the Trinity Church program last year? It obviously explains Wright’s affinity with Louis Farrakhan. It also explains more why Rev. Wright got his Masters degree in “Islam in West Africa”

This is just another blow to the Obama campaign. The American people are not ready to hand the reins to someone who’s associations are beyond sketchy.

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  • http://capribythelake.blogspot.com Carrington

    Oh.My.Gosh, scandalous!

  • Storm-Rider

    Here is an interesting resource in regards to taqiyya – deception by Muslims. Pretending to be a Christian can be an act of taqiyya.

    “Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur’an and Sunna, including lying under oath in testimony before a court, deceiving by making distorted statements to the media such as the claim that Islam is a “religion of peace”. A Muslim is even permitted to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam, so long as he remains faithful to Islam in his heart.”

    “Like many Islamic practices, taqiyya was formed within the context of the culture of Arab tribalism, expansionary warfare, Bedouin raiding and inter-tribal conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century to confuse, confound and divide ‘the enemy’.”

    http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm

  • http://www.islamanazi.com Rastaman

    Why hasn’t anyone mentioned this? I’ve posted on this repeatedly over the past month, and longer. This is old news.

    Rastaman

  • http://thespiritofman.blogspot.com winston

    I am not surprised.

  • http://deespence.com Dee ~ Atlanta, GA.

    Who really cares? Rev. Wright isn’t running for president. Religion and a good pastor doesn’t make you a saint either. Ask George W. Bush.

  • LT

    Clearly Obama, Wright, and the entire congregation of Trinity are super-secret Muslims ready to turn over the key to the White House to the Ayatollah as soon as Obama is elected.

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  • http://www.inbetweenpolitics.com nick

    This is sooo unimportant to the election. I mean, first Obama is a former Muslim and in most cases people that hear the rumors but don’t look for info themselves think he is a muslim. Now this. I mean, if Obama was a muslim, as in, right now..that would matter. But if he and escpecially his pastor were a muslim and converted, more ppower to em’. That takes a lot of faith.

    @Storm-rider, the site you quoted from is called “islam-watch” I wonder if they are biased, in fact, I’d be suprised if they are not extremely rascist. I think this article is about as relevant as an article that says all Islamic people are extremeist. I think the people that follow this are as rare as the terrorists. Give me a break and lets get some real sources of information. I mean do you honestly think that Rev. Writght or Obama are using this…if not, why are we takling about it at all. This is the type of stuff that makes ignorant people more ignorant. You may know that it is not relevant, but people that read it or hear about it will take it seriously and tell all their ignorant friends and family. And please do not confuse ignorant with stupid, i’m just talking about people that are not interested in politics and go based on what they hear from friends and family.

    Nick @ Inbetween Politics

    P.S. I do not support Obama, so this is not a comment for the purpose of supporting Obama…just truth in general.

  • franglo

    He is also a former marine.

  • http://socialist-essays.blog.com Richard

    In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy’s challenge to, “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country,” gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines. In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)

    The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy’s premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief’s medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation. What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.

    While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.

    Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?

    After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of America’s biggest cities.__This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, who has been in the news for comments he made over the last three decades.

    Since these comments became public we have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him. We’ve seen on television, in a seemingly endless loop, sound bites of a select few of Rev. Wright’s many sermons. Some of the Wright’s comments are inexcusable and inappropriate and should be condemned, but in calling This him “unpatriotic,” let us not forget that this is a man who gave up six of the most productive years of his life to serve his country.

    How many of Wright’s detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many. While words do count, so do actions. Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism.

    Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. They work at The Center For American Progress. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration.

    This piece ran in the Chicago Tribune on April 3, 2008.

    oh, and hello again.

  • http://localmalcontent.blogspot.com localmalcontent

    Well, crud. Now I don’t know if I like Wright better or not, learning this.
    OK, NOT.

  • David

    >>>>Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?

    I didn’t see the Rev. Wright consider Colin Powell’s honorable service in the military when he was busy calling him a house slave. Seems you Libturds want it both ways. Well, you ain’t gonna have it both ways. If military service doesn’t immunize Colin Powell from the vicious attacks he receives from Leftwingers and traitors like Wright, then I don’t see Wright being immunized either. Dem chickens iza cumen hom to rust.

  • David

    ps., Lee Harvey Oswald served in the Marines. Just like Wright. Enough said. Thanks for playing.

  • http://www.infidelattire.com Bozoer Rebbe

    In 1956, inspired by his older brother’s service, young man enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps a week after his 17th birthday. Though he qualified as a sharpshooter and marksman, he trained as a radar operator, and was granted security clearance to handle classified materials including those labeled CONFIDENTIAL. He was assigned first to Marine Corps Air Station El Toro in Irvine, California then to Naval Air Facility Atsugi in Japan. Atsugi was a base for the top-secret CIA U-2 spy planes that flew over the Soviet Union.

    How dare we question such a person’s patriotism? I mean, just because he was a staunch communist, emigrated to the Soviet Union, and then later killed a US president, we can’t call him unpatriotic. After all, he served his country while all those nasty guys like Rush Limbaugh avoided service.

  • ronnor

    Maybe the man who was seen on YouTube was his twin brother, couldn’t have been this sterling gentleman who was a Marine. Marine’s wouldn’t say “God Damn America” because they love the US of KKK and A and a good Marine wouldn’t say the “Chickens came home to roost and 3000 incenereated people deserved to die that day. A good Marine wouldn’t be a secret Moslem pretending to be a Christian and a good Marine wouldn’t be practicing taqiyya [the act of lying about ones real faith.] Yep, has to be that twin brother of ‘Rev. Wright’s’ he’s always causing problems, every body know that.

  • http://socialist-essays.blog.com Richard

    i love this. i post an article about a man’s patriotism, and then you all rush to attack it. Lee Harvy Oswald shot a guy, all Wright has done is express his opinion. Oswald used his training as a marine to the detriment of America, Wright is simply expressing his opinion.

    And we have the gall to call him a bad person. for excersing the First Amendment.

    For shame, and you call yourselves conservatives!

  • David

    >>>And we have the gall to call him a bad person. for excersing the First Amendment.

    Fantastic. Wright exercises his First Amendment rights to crap on the country that affords him those First Amendment rights. What a hero! Yeah, I guess I have the “gall” to call him a bad person for that. Better yet, a traitorous dog and a scumbag. His military service doesn’t make him a patriot anymore than it did Lee Harvey Oswald. Only difference is Oswald had the courage of his convictions while Wright doesn’t. Both equally traitorous though.

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  • Tex

    “God damn America”, “Chickens came home to roost”
    Obama is still in with a chance after that? Really, what’s up over there in the good ol’ US of A. This is creeping me out, it really is.

  • TS

    Not surprising since the man is obviously brimming over with hatred. I never understant black Muslim who are pissed at ‘whitey’ obver slavery but find a kinship with the very people who originally enslaved black Africans, Muslim Arabs! And in fact, still enslave black Africans today! Chattel slavery, and nary a peep from black people, except to condemn white people. All I can think is that they are racists, plain and simple, and they dont REALLY give a flying f about slavery.

  • Paul from Florida

    So, young man Wright does the right thing. The thing you are supposed to do. Like get a job, take care of your family, serve in the military. You are supposed to do that. That’s expected.

    And of course Benedict Arnold served too.
    That’s the thing about being a traitor. You first have to be a patriot….then..you turn against.

    Anyways, Obama is just running the sidelines between black racist backwaters and white liberal affirmitive action dreams. He’s finally, after trillions of dollars spent, entire cities ruined, a fairly presentible boy of the liberal plantation.

  • Scion9

    Islam-watch is a website run by Muslim apostates. That is, it is run by former Muslims just like Rev. Wright and Barack Obama. So, if they are rabid ‘racists’ (racist against a religion apparently) then they are self-hating racists.

    “8. “Islam Watch” will be dominated by ex-Muslims and moderate Muslim writers. We will make some room for non-Muslim writers to gauge how the non-Muslim world grasps the truth about Islam.

    The above from their mission statement.

    I doubt Rev. Wright is engaging in taqiyya, or kitman, especially considering that although it is sanctioned in some schools of Islamic thought, it is mostly passed down culturally, through a culture that is alien to Wright. Nation of Islam have never exactly been that stealthy, or sly, and neither is Wright.

    I do however seriously doubt that Rev. Wright, just like the Nation of Islam, are actually religious and just use religion as a mask for a political and social ideology that is in no way spiritual in nature. A Christian branch of Nation of Islam, and its black liberation theology. The Nation of Islam itself is not really Muslim. It cherry picks what it wants out of Islam and abandons its Arab roots, it abandons Sharia and whatever else it feels like.

    Trinity is no different when it comes to Christianity. Totally willing to rewrite history and theology for the sake of fitting it within a racist, black supremacist
    framework, including going along with the Islamic replacement theology of the reverse roles of the sons of Abraham, that is preached by Rev. Wright to anti-semitic effect.

    Rev. Wright’s church is simply the black version of the white supremacist Christian Identity church, and the Christian version of Nation of Islam.

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  • Hening

    Lee Harvey Oswald was also a former Marine. That is not a status that wipes away hypocrisies, racism and a life of lies. Wright has placed himself in direct opposition to the goals of this nation in terms of liberty and justice for all. He clearly prefers the company of Muslim fascists and his congregation of zombie’s includes a US Senator that wishes to become President and holds him as a mentor figure. Wright is a racist and a spewer of hatred on parallel to anything the KKK ever produced, and has the evil intention to try and pass along his bile as biblical. You can’t make this stuff up.

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  • jimm

    Obama is a racist, traitorous scumbag. End of story.

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  • Andrew

    Richard – you are SERIOUSLY disillusioned! All Oswald did was shoot “a guy”? “Wright is simply expressing his opinion”??? Both are horrible people regardless of their service. Service doesn’t make you good for all time. And the notion that ALL Wright did was express his opinion is ludicrous. No, that’s not expressing an opinion. That is EDUCATING literally THOUSANDS of people from the pulpit. Being in the pulpit gives you a LOT of influence. I can walk around and spew all the hate I want but who will listen? That is freedom of speech. Spewing his “Christian” brand of Islam from the pulpit is ENTIRELY different. As David said “Thanks for playing.” And you can stop trying to bash us with the freedom of speech bit anyway. We would have to be complete idiots (which Muslims hope we are) to allow anyone to keep on spewing what will lead to our deaths. That is NO room for that in freedom of speech. Besides you killed your entire argument with this nonsense “the site you quoted from is called “islam-watch” I wonder if they are biased, in fact, I’d be surprised if they are not extremely rascist.” Racist huh? SUUUUURE RICHARD. So you do all your research on what a great service member Wright was and it was just research. Someone else does some research on just how insidious Muslims can be in the spread of Islam and they are, not just a little but “EXTREMELY RACIST”. Nice. That says a lot. Again, thanks for playing.

  • Kastrioti

    Nick said….

    “…the site you quoted from is called “islam-watch” I wonder if they are biased, in fact, I’d be suprised if they are not extremely rascist….”

    Hey genius, did you actually check out the site before you voiced your ignorant opinion?

    Islam-watch is a site run by FORMER MUSLIMS, think they may have a better understanding of the religion than you do???????

    And Racist? Islam ISN’T a RACE!

  • JeffinSac

    This is just another blow to the Obama campaign. – Sorry no, it would only be a blow if the MSM reported it and I doubt they will.

  • Lowell

    Al the different dates out there for Wrights’s “service and education make me suspicious of his record.
    In the USMC you qualify for Marksman OR Sharpshooter, NOT Both.
    There are no “validictorians” in military classes.
    I have seached the “Buddy Listings on the Military.com site of honorable disharched veterans; he’s not there.
    W E need to wake the U.S. to the meaning of “Taqiyya”.
    Semper Fi

  • http://www.neoconnews.com/2008/04/08/obama-doesnt-know-how-to-pick-his-friends/ Neocon News

    Obama doesn’t know how to pick his friends….

    Obama just doesn’t know how to pick his friends.
    His radical pastor turns out to be an ex-Muslim. Not that there is anything wrong with religious conversion, but this is the first I’ve heard of it.
    His Catholic pastor pal at St. Sabina is a…

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  • Rudy

    David,

    Nice shot! :D

    Tex,

    Don’t be too worried, in 2006 when the Dhimmicrats were given Congress, liberal hippie cowards celebrated the impending surrender in Iraq. Oh wait, IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. We will not allow Obama to run our great nation into the gutter.

    Andrew,

    You must forgive Richard, as it is difficult for him to see the world as it is, what with his head up his ass. Of course islam-watch is biased. It is run primarily by EX-muslims who have experienced the brutality first hand, and still managed to get educated, use their brains, and realize that islam is a death cult that exploits the illiterate and the uneducated by telling them that if they blow themselves up and take out a few unbelievers they go to an orgy in the afterlife. Why would anyone be biased against that?
    As for the racist part, that is a weak, pathetic argument (then again most liberals are weak, pathetic humans), as islam is practiced by arabs, caucasians, blacks, orientals, and hispanics.

  • megapotamus

    Just cuz Obama was raised a Commie doesn’t mean he is one now; just because he was raised Muslim for a time doesn’t mean he is one now; just because Wright was a Muslim doesn’t mean he is one now but presumably these “conversions” if they occured were predicated on some event, philosophical breakthrough or life change that would be vital to any reasonable examination of “character” which both Dems are running on since they have no experience. So let’s hear Obama tell us why his old Commie dad or his buddy Bomber Bill Ayers or Wright are not merely wrong but obviously and offensively wrong, since he, natch, claims outrage and offense now.

    On another note…. If Wright converted from Islam to Christianity or anything, isn’t he subject to a fatwa that calls for his head? I mean, unless the jihadis think this is another, more clever, furtherance of jihad? I’m just sayin’….

  • http://rightvoices.com/2008/04/08/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-mentor-the-reverend-jeremiah-wright-is-an-ex-muslim-nation-of-islam-style/ Right Voices » Blog Archive » Barack Obama’s Mentor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, is an ex-Muslim, Nation of Islam style.

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  • Tom R

    You’ve conveniently lumped Black Muslims in with mainstream Muslims. Mainstream Muslims have never recognized Malcolm X’s and Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam as real Muslims, but tend to consider Black Muslims some weird non-Islamic cult borne in America’s African-American communities far from Mecca.

    For a time in his youth maybe Rev. Wright was a black Muslim. That hardly makes him a terrorist or anyone even remotely close in extremism or religiosity to the likes of al-Qaeda. Rev. Wright is Congregational minister now — that’s the same church Roger Williams founded in the 1600s as the colony of Rhode Island broke off from Massachusetts. Hardly Islamic, but quite Protestant and quite American.

    False guilt-by-association is an old technique of defamation by the far-right in this country. You seem to be keeping up the tradition nicely. Just don’t go calling it a patriotic to mislead your own countrymen about the backgrounds of some of its citizens. Defamation is not patriotism; it’s just defamation. And defamation contributes to prejudice and paranoia instead of tolerance and security.

  • http://www.infidelattire.com Bozoer Rebbe

    “…the site you quoted from is called “islam-watch” I wonder if they are biased, in fact, I’d be suprised if they are not extremely rascist….”

    Richard, what’s your assessment of Rev. Wright’s endorsement of the notion that Israel has developed a biological weapon that kills only Arabs and blacks? Please explain how this isn’t a modern blood libel.

  • E Buzz Miller, Rev Dr

    “all Wright has done is express his opinion.”

    Yeah, but maybe you should consider that whole visiting Kaddafi with Rev. Dr. Louis thing.

    I wouldn’t call that expressing his opinion, I’d call that siding with the enemy.

    So can we extrapolate or infer anything from that, or is that off limits to consideration by white people?

  • Nathanael Greene

    Wait a minute…I thought the Boy President Clinton was a liberal hero precisely because he *didn’t* go into the military. Wha…?

    And so what if Wright was in the miltary? George Lincoln Rockwell, founder of the American Nazi Party and author of “White Power”, was in the Navy in WWII. Does that make him less of a racist bigot?

    Finally, doesn’t Wright’s status as an ex-Muslim mean he deserves death as an apostate, according to the “religion of peace’”?

  • Rudy

    Bozoer,

    I would not hold my breath waiting for a rational, logical reply from Richard. After all he is suffering from a cranial rectal inversion, which is causing a compression on his carotid artery, limiting the flow of blood to his brain, which is why we see such drivel.

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  • http://deespence.com Dee

    I heard about this long before it was even made public. As a christian myself that was formerly muslim, I still say no big deal. I just believe I was on the wrong track when I chose to be a muslim. Once I heard the truth. I couldnt’ deny it. Clock on Dee’s Blog to learn more information on where I am today as a Christian on http://deespence.com

  • http://assistantvillageidiot.blogspot.com Assistant Village Idiot

    Instead of speculating on the maximum ugliness this knowledge could indicate, let’s look at the minimum. Wright’s conversion does not seem to be from Muslim (black) to Christian (black), but from Black Muslim to Black Christian, with the racial emphasis being primary in both cases. We should not therefore conclude that he is a Muslim stalking horse. The most we can be sure of is that he might be overly tolerant of Islamic terrorism when originates from people of color or targets whites, not that he would be any participant or even encourager. Obama’s parallel conversion tells us much the same. The danger is not in active support he might give to any terrorist or islamic causes, but his willingness to look the other way or cut too much slack to America’s enemies if they embraced a racial rhetoric.

    That’s worrisome enough in itself. There’s no need to try and make it appear violent or treasonous when it isn’t. Its danger is real, but more passive than active.

  • http://www.jabberwonk.com Jabberwonk

    I can’t wait to vote for my Muslim Overlords in November.

    I’m sure it can’t be worse than the unmitigated idoiticy we’ve been living under for 7 years. Yay for Republicans!

  • Sambe

    Everyone should vote for Mr.Obama because he’s bringing peace and prosperity not only in the United States but around the world.-I believe in that he’s one of those messengers that God sends to help the whole nation.

  • Charles

    Im confused. I know Obama is running for president. And we must examine his
    judgement, but “my goodness” All this crap about Rev. Wright to try to scare whites
    into believing Obama is a “Black Power” guy is a bit ridiculas. And just reading these comments makes me wonder what type of “Christianity” is practiced here. Calling for these mens heads, awesomely resembleing the tactics of a lynch mob, that would quickly assemble if the mere thought that a “black” had got out of line. We will show him! They would yell. Now have moved on from the dark past, but have we?

    Have Rev. Wright fought for this country as a marine and earned the right to speak his mind without it being a scandal. Whites are so quick to take credit for how far this country has come, but when stuff like this happens they may need to look at themselves a little closer. Black citizens can love this country without acting is if this country is not capable of commiting some hanas acts. Back in the day, as well TODAY. Come on now keep it real. You conservative “Revisionist”.

  • Rudy

    Sambe,

    The only thing Obama is doing is uniting everyone against him, and his far left loony ideals. How in the hell can you equate him surrendering Iraq, and “talking” with a country that wants to exterminate Israel (Iran) to bringing peace? Are you suffering from the same affliction as Richard?

  • JimBaker

    Barak Hussein Obama is the most dangerous politician the communists on the left have ever put forth. He is not the last, and presumably not the worst they will do, but he is the first who has complete disregard for our constitution. I think we will survive this time, but we won’t always survive. Someday the communists on the left will manage to foist a trojan horse on us. With their control of the Democrat party, of the media, of the judiciary, and of the education system, it is just a matter of time. No optimism here. We have paved the road to hell and we are traveling on it. I just want to go slow. McCain for president.

  • David

    Wright converted to christianity because the job of hateful Muslim demagogue was already taken by Louis Farrakan.

  • http://socialist-essays.blog.com Richard

    Well Said Charles! I was beginning to fear that i was the only person that actually thinks on this website.

    Rudy, please dont associate me with Sambe. I was just as disgusted, if not more so, by his statement as you.

    Jim… really? Communists? Communists control the Democratic party AND the media AND the judiciary AND the education system? wow. we are really screwed. how in the world have we lasted this long!!!??!?

    okay, im better now. Democrats can barely control themselves, and with any sort of guidance they would probably be putting up a much better fight than they are now. If anything, their incompetance is proof of their innocence.

    A smarter man than me once said, “A true conservative is one who can’t see any difference between radicalism and an idea”

  • Charles

    Ok its like this. I dont like rock music. Have never been a fan. So if I were to go to a concert with the hottest rock group out there, and then begin to criticize their music, and their act. And pick apart everything wrong with the concert would be stupid of me.

    I dont like the music form so it wouldnt matter how good or bad the act was. The same way alot of people are claiming objectivity when lending their “no spin” view of Obama.
    It wouldnt matter what he did, or didnt do. You wouldnt care for him as your choice regardless. So stop with all of these nasty comments about our next president. Yeah I bet some of you never imagined you would be calling a brother “Mr. President” Boy I love it! Isnt this the greatest country in the world?

  • http://www.infidelattire.com Bozoer Rebbe

    “Yeah I bet some of you never imagined you would be calling a brother “Mr. President” Boy I love it! Isnt this the greatest country in the world?”

    No racial animus or stereotyping here. No, not at all.

    Keep keeping it real and sticking it to the man. Word up!

    Oh, and Richard, I’m still waiting on your explanation of how Wright is not engaging in a modern day blood libel by accusing Jews of creating biological weapons that target Blacks and Arabs only.

  • David

    >>>Isnt this the greatest country in the world?

    I’m glad you think so! We agree. Heck, we’re conservatives. We cornered the market on this is the greatest country in the world. Remember?

    Instead try telling that to Michelle O. She doesn’t seem to think it’s all that great at all. Not too proud of our country says the angry woman who wants to be our First Lady. She thinks this great country is “downright mean.” Remember?

    Neither does Rev. Wright, the bitter guy who would swear in Michelle O’s husband at the White House. He’s not too fond of it either as I recall.

  • http://www.infidelattire.com Bozoer Rebbe

    “Well Said Charles! I was beginning to fear that i was the only person that actually thinks on this website.”

    It surely is persuasive when you call people who disagree with you idiots.

  • Storm-Rider

    Richard,
    “Jim… really? Communists? Communists control the Democratic party AND the media AND the judiciary AND the education system?”

    Communist ideology, now known as Marxist, Progressive or Socialist ideology is alive and well in Europe and in leftist America.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/10/the_evidence_for_neocommunism.html

    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2125/print

    http://freebooks.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/a_pdfs/newslet/preface/03pref.pdf

    http://www.robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html

    I hate Communism, Marxism, modern radical Socialism and Progressivism. I hate those ideologies, which are alive in America on your side, because they are evil ideologies.

    I love America because this nation was conceived in God-given liberty, and liberty is alive in America – it is the beating heart of America.

    America stands for equality of opportunity and equality before the law. Communism, Marxism and radical Socialism stand for economic equality enforced by a totalitarian Socialist state – equality of a low order for the ordinary man, but of course a high order for the ruling Socialist elite.

    America stands for God-derived and irreversible human rights – the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Radical Socialism, i.e.: Communism, stands for government-derived human rights – those, of course can be reversed or ignored at will by the elite Socialist rulers.

    America stands for government which derives its power from the consent of the governed, and where the people have been declared to have the right to alter or abolish its government if it becomes destructive of their rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Communism and radical Socialism rule in spite of the will of the governed, and without their consent. Communist and radical Socialist rulers despise the “little people” that our founding fathers died to empower in this blessed nation.

    Richard, one thing I haven’t heard from you: Do you love the America I’ve described above – the America envisioned in the Declaration of Independence?

    Richard, will you state publically that you hate Communism, Marxism, radical Socialism and all such ideologies?

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  • http://socialist-essays.blog.com Richard

    Bozoer, i would Love to answer that quote, if you would please show me the article, or at least some proof, that he actually said that. Although i am a Socialist, i am not stupid, you cannot just make up random stuff and expect me to believe it.

    Storm-Rider. I still have quite a bit of respect for you, just wanted to get that out there. And i really enjoyed reading those articles, i will probably be printing them out and reading them more later, if for nothing more than laughs. But you are probably correct, i do have some clarification to do. There are so many movements claiming to be Radical and Socialist now, that you really cannot tell what a person believes simply by assuming. Thank you for giving me the chance.

    I am not a Marxist.in fact, he was quoted as saying, “The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.” which i disagree with utterly and completely. Hell, not even Marx was a Marxist, and Karl Marx publicly, and loudly, denounced the Soviet and Chinese “Communist” parties.

    I am not Communist. I realize that it will never work, a state-enforced equality-for-all is just like saying, “We treat everyone like dirt, but at least we treat everyone like dirt equally”. however, i do not hate communists. people who are communist and Marxist, while i may disagree with them, honestly believe that they are working for the betterment of everyone.

    I did laugh, though, when you combined three words that i never thought would i would ever see together. “Elite Socialist Rulers”. If someone claims to be elite, they are not Socialist. If someone Claims to be a ruler, they aren’t Socialist unless they rule democratically. Socialism is not the destruction of Freedom, Socialism is the Extension of Freedom and Democracy into the
    Economy as well as the Government. Here is where we all get mixed up.

    Socialism is based on Communism, in the same way Glass is based around Sand. You cannot have Glass without working with Sand, but Glass does not share very many properties with Sand. In the same way are Socialists based around Communists. Without Communists and their extremely radical views, we rational socialists would not be able to figure out what would actually work.

    Well, that’s the best analogy i can think up right now, maybe more later. Did this answer any of your questions about what i believe? maybe i should just come out and state it.

    I believe in Democracy, both of the Government and of the Economy
    I believe in Production for use, not for Profit
    I believe in Complete Freedom of the People
    I Believe in Government Regulation of the Economy
    I Believe in Individual Rights above all else
    and I Believe that every one is equal, not the same, but equal.

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  • Scion9

    I don’t know where you are getting your definition of socialism from. It seems likely that you are only adhering to one you defined for yourself. You can have elites in a socialist society, and you can rulers in a socialist society. Socialism is simply a socio-economic system, in which private property is eliminated.

    The managing of communal property can be handled by an elite, ruling class in a socialist society and it would still be a socialist society.

    You can have socialism under a dictator, where the community owns the goods, but only the dictator gets to say how, and when they use those goods.

    Communism is a classless and stateless system, which can only exist in a world where everyone is complicit to live in a classless society. Enforcing the classless status of course creates a class clash between the enforcers and the enforced and you again have elite rulers telling the communal owners how they can use their own commuanl property, hence an elite ruling class.

    Socialism relies on an authoritarian power, rather a ruler, or an elite class to determine what is best for everyone else. If that wasn’t necessary because everyone agreed on the best uses of communal property, then there wouldn’t be any need for socialism, and we would have communism, which is the next step along the path. The step that never comes to fruition, because it only exists in a fantasy land, envisioned by a demented mind, that viewed a possibility of absolute compliance and complicity across the breadth of the entire world while simultaneously expressing his hatred of 99% of the world’s population and their belief systems, and a special place in his black heart for the Jews, who were the cause of all the world’s evil.

    Of course, Marx, Lenin and their later intellectual progeny view themselves the same way. An intellectual elite who know better than the rest of us, and disdain the rest of the world’s foolish notions. Only these few elites know the true path.

    Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have expressed viewpoints that are almost direct quotes of Comrade Lenin. That the State must progress to a point where it promotes the Greater Good.

    Of course, the State is the only entity capable of doing this, and those entities that compete with the State are in fact enemies of the Greater Good regardless of their philanthropistic bent, or efficiency compared to our simultaneous inept, cronied, nepotised, tribal and elite ruling class in DC and in Academia.

    Of course, the ‘Greater Good’ in itself is something that needs to be enforced. The ‘Greater Good’ is liberty, in which individuals choose what is best for them, and take individual responsibility for their actions. The elite, socialist leaning rulers know better than we simpering children, and must have the ‘Greater Good’ enforced on us. In fact, it seems like liberty isn’t in the category of ‘good’ at all.

    Just remember, bring your own shovels to the train station comrade, because you won’t be provided with one, and you don’t want to lose your fingers in the dirt.

  • Scion9

    Correction from above…


    Of course, the ‘Greater Good’ in itself is something that needs to be enforced. The ‘Greater Good’ is not liberty, in which individuals choose what is best for them, and take individual responsibility for their actions. The elite, socialist leaning rulers know better than we simpering children, and must have the ‘Greater Good’ enforced on us (whatever it is). In fact, it seems like liberty isn’t in the category of ‘good’ at all.

  • David

    Plenty of elites under socialism and communism. You know, the party aparatchiks that live in the lake-side dachas while the rest of us live in dystopian squalor. The elites that make the rules for all the rest of us cud-chewing masses. Thoe elites that force us into public transportation while they fly high over us in the government paid jets. You know, those elites. That this comes as news to you just shows what a limited bubble you’re coming from.

  • http://bamapachyderm.com Beth

    In the USMC you qualify for Marksman OR Sharpshooter, NOT Both.
    There are no “valedictorians” in military classes.

    Exactly. That “valedictorian” and marksman sharpshooter stuff is bullshit. Not taqiyyah–just bullshit.

    Also, Timothy McVeigh was a veteran, and so was the Beltway Sniper (John Allen Muhammad), just to name a couple notorious ones off the top of my head.
    I’m also a veteran, so I expect nobody will ever question what I have to say!

    THAT SAID…all this story says to me is that Jeremiah Wright was once in the NOI, but now he isn’t. But is his current version of Christianity any better? To me, no–it’s the same thing, cloaked in different religious beliefs. It’s still radical, “revolutionary,” FAR-left crap that uses religion as a means of recruitment and financial gain. I’m not saying Wright and his ilk aren’t believers, but Wright is certainly a charlatan as well. It’s all about black separatist, collectivist ideology, which is what’s at the core of Wright’s beliefs.

    What does this NOI business have to do with teh Obamessiah? Nothing specifically, except it shows another angle of his “spiritual mentor,” from whom he chose to be educated in “religion” and otherwise. This is the kind of person he holds in high esteem–high enough to make him a part of his childrens’ lives.

    Shall we expect people like Jeremiah White in Obama’s cabinet or White House staff? How about William Ayers?

    @Richard:
    You are a fool.

    If someone Claims to be a ruler, they aren’t ANARCHIST unless they rule democratically.

    Fixed that hilarious pile of bovine feces for you. What are you, some dimwit teenager? Come back in a few years after you have had a few years of the real world behind you. In the meantime, try reading something other than the crap that appeals to your rebel-wannabe (“I hate my dad!”) childishness. You sound like a little sheep spewing that ridiculous nonsense, obviously fed to you by your shepherds.

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  • Storm-Rider

    The trouble with Communism and Socialism is that they are both in their hearts forms of tyranny over the minds and lives of people. Socialism is not stagnant – it is moving toward total control of the lives of ordinary people – totalitarianism. This is because once an elite class of people taste power over the lives, liberty and economic well-being of the “little people” they want more and more control – power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Socialism is now the nanny state, but it will lead to a tyrannical state – government of the elite, by the elite and for the elite.

    Tyranny was defined by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence as any government which does not derive its power from the consent of the governed, and where the government becomes destructive of the peoples God-given (not government-given) rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Socialists do not govern with the consent of the governed, and Socialism is destructive of both liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Socialism only differs from Communism at this point in history in that it has not yet become destructive of individual life. When that time comes, and it will unless it is stopped, Socialism will just be another Orwellian word for tyranny.

    Our founding fathers were familiar with the tyrannical Socialist movements and states of medieval and ancient times, and they could have established America as a Socialist state. They didn’t because of their wisdom – they knew that individual liberty is not only a God-given right; it works in real life as the best means for people to pursue happiness. True individual liberty releases the innate creativity of the human mind and that is, along with human love, the key to our pursuit of happiness. When the Socialist state taxes the working man past a certain point his creativity is snuffed out – why be creative and work hard if the rewards are scooped up by the Socialist state and “redistributed?” This is also true on the receiving end – why, if able-bodied, be creative and work hard if the rewards of someone else’s work come without effort? Socialism and Communism are the enemy of human creativity, and therefore the enemy of the pursuit of happiness.

    Our founders were not European philosophers with unworkable visions of perfected humanity and godless utopia – our founding fathers were in fact geniuses. They factored in the element of human evil within the very people with governing authority – something that Socialism and Communism will not do, as those ideologies do not recognize the reality of God, goodness or evil. Our founding fathers understood that human rights are sacred and come directly from the hand of God. In Socialist societies human rights come from the Socialist state and those rights can be rescinded, re-defined so as to nullify them, or just ignored.

    Our founding fathers were the real revolutionaries, and the American Revolution can become the world’s revolution.

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  • JimBaker

    Communism, Socialism, Theism, Modern Liberalism, and Fascism are all just species of the genre Collectivism. I hate Collectivism because I love to make my own choices in all matters that affect me and my family. I hate Collectivism because I don’t want central planners deciding what course of action might be best for the most people. I love that what is best for me and my family will not always be in line with the decisions of the central planners.
    There is nothing wrong with a profit motive. It causes lots of people to get raises and/or new jobs. It fits nicely with Individualism. I know that wealth is created by the efforts of individuals and, while it can be redistributed, it will never be created by central planning. That is how the Soviet Union finally collapsed. That stuff is simple for me. It is not simple for followers ( “useful idiots” – J Stalin ) of the central planners, and that is bad for me. Hilliary Rodham-Clinton is a Collectivist of the second kind. Barak Hussein Obama is of the third kind. John McCain is of the fourth. However well intentioned Collectivists are, the eventual result will be tyranny. In my opinion, the USA has been on this road for over 75 years. I have no hope of reversing our direction.
    And, when the central planners try to take away my firearms, they will discover that I am not a Collectivist. I am getting old and set in my ways and that will get messy, I expect.
    Yes Richard, Communist was a little harsh. I should have said Collectivist.

  • Storm-Rider

    JimBaker,

    I’m getting on up there myself, but I haven’t given up on America. I’m hoping a new generation of Americans will actually read the Declaration of Independence – and then read the Bill of Rights – and then re-read them both several more times – and let it sink in – and really let it sink in.

    I’m hoping and praying that a new generation of Americans will realize that the values and ideas within those documents are unique – they exist nowhere else on earth.

    I’m hoping and praying that government of the people, by the people and for the people will not perish from the earth.

    I don’t want my children or grandchildren to live under Communist/Socialist/Collectivist tyranny – I want them to be free – and I’m willing to die for them.

  • Rudy

    Storm/Jim,
    It might get bad, but it won’t be THAT bad. You are not alone. There is a movement among THINKING Americans of my generation (born from 1975-1985) that do not have our heads up our asses and “believe” socialism is good in any way. Nor do we intend to give up our guns, our money or anything else our Gog-given liberty has allowed us to earn. The only reason liberalism is perceived as main stream, is that conservatives are smart, and quietly go about running this country, while liberals talk about change.

  • Rudy

    Scion9,

    Wow that was intense and in depth. Great writing. I wish I had your talent.

    Beth,

    You said ”bovine feces”, hee hee hee :) you are right about little Richard being a fool. He claimed on here that terrorists don’t target civilians. When EVERYONE corrected him, he tried to amend it saying terrorists target terror. You are right about the age thing, he is a kid, 17 years, likely being indoctrinated by commie teachers. Sad that the few idiots like that make teachers who actually care about educating people look bad, by mass producing idiots like Richard.

  • http://socialist-essays.blog.com Richard

    Rudy, if you think my teachers have any influence on me, then you are correct. My Teachers, like Jesus Christ, MLK, Ghandi, and Mr. Franklin all influence me very much, and it is because of their influence, and their sacrifices, and their mistakes, that i learn.
    I appreciate Storm-Rider’s attempt at civility, which doesn’t seem to be a value the Founding Fathers wanted to instill in their loyal followers. Rudy, i do not understand why you would think i want to take away your weapons. Didn’t i just write that i am all for the freedom of the individual? Freedom to bear Arms, Freedom of Speech, just about any freedom we currently have, and many we don’t. We will not take away your money, we will not take away your rights, we will not take away your land, nothing like that. i don’t even know where you get that idea from.

    It also seems to me that you haven’t read what i Wrote. I am a Socialist, not a Communist, Not a Collectivist. I believe that nothing can come from a state that has power over everything, but i have even less faith in Corporations and Massive Companies. I believe that the people, through a Completely Democratic government, should regulate the economy so the needs of the people come first, not the bottom line. However, i still believe that the state should have the MINIMUM amount of control possible over the people.

    No, what i described is not Made up by me. I am a paying member of the SPUSA, a Democratic Socialist Party. because i know that none of you will look them up, even, i will copy and paste their statement.

    THE SOCIALIST PARTY of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA strives to establish a radical democracy that places people’s lives under their own control – a non-racist, classless, feminist socialist society…

    where working people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically-controlled public agencies; where full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work; where workers have the right to form unions freely, and to strike and engage in other forms of job actions; and where the production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity, not for the private profit of a few. We believe socialism and democracy are one and indivisible. The working class is in a key and central position to fight back against the ruling capitalist class and its power. The working class is the major force worldwide that can lead the way to a socialist future – to a real radical democracy from below. The Socialist Party fights for progressive changes compatible with a socialist future. We support militant working class struggles and electoral action, independent of the capitalist controlled two-party system, to present socialist alternatives. We strive for democratic revolutions – radical and fundamental changes in the structure and quality of economic, political, and personal relations – to abolish the power now exercised by the few who control great wealth and the government.

    Happy? probably not. You still believe that Socialism is the road to Fascism, which i find impossible to believe or even imagine. maybe you could explain your reasoning better that just calling me an idiot.

    Also, the only people that use a person’s age as a point against them are those to stupid to respond to their actual points. The denunciation of the young is a necessary part of the hygiene of older people, and greatly assists the circulation of the blood. – Logan Smith

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  • Storm-Rider

    Richard,

    You’re a really scary guy – and I don’t care how old you are. You sound just like Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin – and I don’t care what age they were when they said essentially the same thing as you.

    1. “I believe that the people, through a Completely Democratic government, should regulate the economy so the needs of the people come first, not the bottom line.”

    The people in capitalist, free-enterprise America already regulate the economy through their own creative work and earning, and their own spending. This is a part of individual liberty of the people, and their (our) pursuit of happiness. The economy is also regulated by taxation, but taxation beyond ~20% is excessive – above that level pits the government against the people – against their pursuit of happiness. Government becomes unjust and tyrannical when its power is pitted against the peoples pursuit of happiness – so said our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence.

    The people’s greatest need is to be free of unjust, overtaxing and tyrannical government so they can creatively work out their own pursuit of happiness. Other than national security and defense, the only useful and compassionate function of government in regards to the other needs of the people is to provide social security and medicare for the elderly and disabled – and even that could be provided through charitable and religious organizations in the private sector.

    2. “However, i still believe that the state should have the MINIMUM amount of control possible over the people.”

    No, no, no! The people should have maximum control over the government – not the other way around – so said our founding fathers. Remember, just government power derives from the consent of the governed – the consent of the people – otherwise government power is unjust and tyrannical. Richard, you are talking tyranny – the opposite of the American dream of liberty.

    3. “where working people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically-controlled public agencies”

    Just how are the “working people” going to take control of the means of production? That would be called theft – just as occurred in the totalitarian Communist Soviet Union. The “working people” can’t steal what they don’t own, that violates one of the Ten Commandments little man. Such theft of private property is not only a sin on a personal level, it would be a state crime and an act of treason against the United States as it violates the fourth amendment of the Bill of Rights: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated….” The “working people” can only take control of the means of production and distribution through tyranny.

    The “working people” can’t take ownership of the means of production and distribution with the consent of the other working people who presently own those things. Most everyone I know is “the working people” and they don’t want to steal other people’s factories and businesses – they just want to be left alone by the government and be engaged in creative and productive work – something that is available in the United States as it is in no other place on earth. Despite what you say about yourself, your economic ideas are Communist. Richard, you are a Communist by Karl Marx’s definition, and a budding tyrant just like Vladimir Lenin.

    4. “where full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work ….. and where the production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity, not for the private profit of a few.”

    Have you forgotten, or maybe your teachers have not taught you the truth: Full employment was a feature of the totalitarian Communist Soviet Union – 100% employment. The problem is that the Communist/Radical Socialist system, being the enemy of human creativity, productivity was very, very low. That is why the totalitarian Soviet Communist Empire collapsed. This was the relationship between the Radical Socialist/Communist state and the “working people”: The utopian socialist state says to the “working people” “We will pretend to pay you” and the “working people” say to the utopian socialist state: “We will pretend to work for you.”

    Private profit is a good thing because it is the fruit and reward of creative labor – it is part of the pursuit of happiness that Thomas Jefferson told us about. American capitalism and free enterprise has resulted in more happiness and benefit to humanity than radical socialism or communism because it works. Your Marxist economic ideas have already failed on a massive scale because it doesn’t work. As Ronald Reagan once said, and I paraphrase: “The best social program ever invented is called a job.”

    5. “The working class is in a key and central position to fight back against the ruling capitalist class and its power. The working class is the major force worldwide that can lead the way to a socialist future – to a real radical democracy from below.”
    Richard, there are wealthy people in all nations, including the United States. The difference is that in America one becomes wealthy through creativity and hard work in the free enterprise system – part of the pursuit of happiness – which is our God-given right according to the Declaration of Independence. In most nations one becomes wealthy by coercion, murder or by becoming part of the elite ruling class in that Radical Socialist state you keep talking about.
    We already have democracy from below – American political power will remain just as long as it is derived through the consent of the governed – through democratic elections that are already in place which were begun at the direction of the Constitution of the United States.
    6. “We support militant working class struggles and electoral action…”
    This comes right out of the play book of Karl Marx. Richard, stop talking about socialism, you are a communist.
    7. “We strive for democratic revolutions – radical and fundamental changes in the structure and quality of economic, political, and personal relations….”
    Richard, we’ve already had a democratic revolution, thank God – it was called the American Revolution.
    8. “to abolish the power now exercised by the few who control great wealth and the government.”
    Now here’s the killer – the only way to abolish the power of American government is to destroy the power of “we the people” who are the source of that power. American government power, if just, derives from the consent of the governed – from “we the people.” Richard, there is only one way to abolish the power of American government: you must destroy the Declaration of Independence which tells us about just government power, and to destroy the Constitution which justly limits government power, and defines how that power is exercised. Only by tyranny and treason can you Communists attain your goals in America. Richard, you are on a path not only to tyranny and treason, you are on a path to war.

  • Lexx

    This is the biggest crock of shyt….this article is lying…..the person who wrote this article is a liar with a hidden agenda….i’m from chicago and also visited that church on so many occassions…..Rev. Wright was never a MUSLIM…he may have been a baptist, since his father was a baptist minister for close to 50 years. People please dont believe everything you read on these bogus blogs….

    LEXX

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  • http://socialist-essays.blog.com Richard

    Alright, ill take it one point at a time.

    1. “The people in capitalist, free-enterprise America already regulate the economy through their own creative work and earning, and their own spending.”

    That is the most idiotic phrase i have ever heard. The people in a Capitalist Society Regulate the economy? No, the people have no power over the economy, Money has power over the economy. And who has the money?
    http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/Courses/so11/stratification/income&wealth.htm

    Also, you say that no one can be truly happy with an excessive amount of Taxation yet Denmark is one of the happiest Countries in the world, with one of the highest Tax Rates in the world. Oh, and they have a Democratic Socialist Government. Go Figure.
    http://www.physorg.com/news73321785.html

    2. “No, no, no! The people should have maximum control over the government – not the other way around – so said our founding fathers.”

    You misread what i said. I said, and i quote, “However, i still believe that the state should have the MINIMUM amount of control possible over the people”

    the GOVERNMENT has the MINIMUM amount of control over the PEOPLE.
    meaning that the government gets the hell out of people’s lives.
    Don’t call me a Tyrant, i am no Fascist.

    3. Ever Shopped at Woodmans? it is a massive grocery store, located in the midwest, and it is owned completely by it’s EMPLOYEES. they didn’t steal it from anyone, they didn’t wrest control of Woodmans from the people that used to control it, Woodmans is a completely Employee Owned and Run Corporation.

    The People who work there decide punishments for people who steal, the people who work there decide how to balance wages with inflation, the WORKING CLASS.

    How is this, time for a hypothetical question. If someone bought rights to all of the Wells in a village, and was refusing the people of the village access to the well unless they paid him, what would you do? it is against the 10 Commandments to Steal, but i think God would be a little more pissed when he finds out you died because you refused to stand up to this bully.

    When many people are threatened because of the greed of a few, isn’t it our Right, our Duty, and our Responsibility to fight for Justice, Equality, and Life? Isn’t that EXACTLY what our founding fathers did all those years ago?

    4. It doesnt say employment for everyone. It says Full Employment for those who want to work. 100% employment will never be attained. But too often, in today’s capitalist society, are people who Want to work, are Willing and Able to do the work, are Fully Qualified to do the work, and who simply want to support their families, are turned away for some stupid Reason. Race, Skin Color, Creed, Religion, Sex, Sexuality, and a whole slew of other stupid, senseless reasons. Those who want to work to support their families, in a Socialist Society, will always be able to find work. Whether or not they like it is a different story, but we are of the firm belief that if you WANT to support your family and yourself, you should always have the means to.

    That is the Pursuit of Happiness you are so fond of. You are free to find a job you like, but if you cannot, you can always fall back on a job you dont. But NO MATTER WHAT, you will always be supporting your family and yourself, and there will always be that job there for you to fall back on.

    5. the amount of wealthy people today who actually deserve the amount of wealth they have is staggeringly low. Too often we hear of people suing companies for outrageous sums of money, sometimes in the millions of dollars, because their coffee was served too hot, or their waiter was rude to them. Do these people DESERVE their millions?

    Too often, celebrities are paid thousands of dollars to simply Show Up at a party, or at a rave. All they do is run around with random people, having sex with everyone and their cousin, getting drunk and shouting at Jews. And they get paid, because they are famous. They have no skills, no talent, no real job. Do these people DESERVE their millions?

    Too often is wealth passed from Father to Son. I’m not saying this is bad, as it is a touchy subject. however, too often does the son of a famous person become famous himself, simply because he shares the same last name as his Father. Just look at Ronald P. Regean. What has he done to deserve his wealth? He has his own talk show, and has recently thrown his hat into the ring for Vice Presidency. He is Famous, Rich, and Powerful. All because his Father was also Famous, Rich, and Powerful. Does he DESERVE his millions?

    These are just examples, you get my point. People like Bill Gates or Mr. Jobs, people who actually WORK, have useful talent, and can get the job done, deserve some of the credit and wealth they currently enjoy. However, in 2007, Mr. Gates earned $250 every SECOND. if he dropped a $1000 bill on the ground, in the time it would take him to pick it up, he would have earned another $1000. He can Donate $15 to every person on earth, and still have $5 Million left over. Bill Gates has more wealth than all but 37 countries ON THIS PLANET. I think that is a little excessive, even for the most skilled people, don’t you?

    6. Sometimes, the only way to get your point across is a violent protest. i would avoid that if there were any other alternative, but sometimes there just isn’t. you know that, and i know that.

    7. Yes, we had a Democratic Revolution. We made our Government Democratic, in one sense of the word. However, we now need a Democratic Revolution of the Economy as well. how can we truly be free if we don’t even know when our next meal will be? How can we truly be Democratic if we let our Veterans become homeless? How can we Truly be Democratic if we devalue whole segments of our population simply because they earn less money than us, or look different, or talk different?

    Capitalism is Anarchy of the Economy. Lassiez-Faire, or “To leave be” is a state of non-interventionialism that has failed. if we cannot even take care of our own poor, how can we expect the rest of the world to follow in our example?

    8. I am not out to destroy the American Government. I Am here to strengthen it, and to set it back on the path that our Founding Fathers set for it. The Bill of rights was not meant as a restriction on the people, it was meant as a restriction for what the Government can do to the people. Socialism is not about destroying the Constitution, or the American Government. Socialism is the Extension of the Democracy and Freedom that our Founding Fathers fought so hard for into the Economy as well as into the Government.

    There, i feel like i have repeated myself for the thritieth time. Man, where in the world do people come up with these weird misconceptions about Socialism? it’s like Every Single Conservative fancies himself an Economist.

  • http://skelliot.wordpress.com Skelliot

    Ok. So what if he was a muslim? Is that any worse than being a fundy christian? No, its not. What a load of hypocracy by religious bullshit artists. Who cares! And it’s not about the Rev. its about Obama and he seems to be a good bloke by my views and is probably the best bet for your people. Would you prefer a Mormon or a Jehova’s Witness as your president? Probably not.

    Skelliot.

  • http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/jeremiah-wright-was-once-a-muslim/ Jeremiah Wright was once a Muslim « Thoughts Of A Conservative Christian

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  • Storm-Rider

    Richard,

    I do appreciate your persistence.

    1. Yes, very wealthy people have a separate effect on the economy, but the distribution of wealth and income in most other nations is even more skewed toward the wealthy than in America – there is simply little or no middle class in many areas of the world – just the super rich and the super poor in many nations. We have a morally superior distribution of wealth and income in America because those things are hinged to freedom – the freedom to work and be creative for yourself and your family.

    This study paints a different picture than the one you provided.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:World_happiness.png

    Anecdotally, I’ve traveled to Europe several times, and my wife and I have hosted a French teacher in our home on many occasions – she keeps coming back – we’re going to visit her in Paris this summer. We also hosted a Swiss foreign exchange student in my home last year for six months – he didn’t want to go home at the end of the six months. My son is an ice hockey player and I have many Canadian friends who are involved in youth ice hockey in my city – without exception they love America and wouldn’t move back to Canada. The one Canadian family that did move back came back to our city the following year – they weren’t happy up there after having a taste of American life and liberty.

    2. Looks like we have some agreement here – good. Remember what Abraham Lincoln said: Government of the people, by the people and for the people must not perish from the earth.

    3. I like the example of Woodman’s – that is an example of people taking control of their own creative work without theft of others property – here we have some more agreement! Go America!

    How is this, time for a hypothetical question. If someone bought rights to all of the Wells in a village, and was refusing the people of the village access to the well unless they paid him, what would you do? it is against the 10 Commandments to Steal, but i think God would be a little more pissed when he finds out you died because you refused to stand up to this bully.

    * Yes, in the case of starvation or thirsting to death, theft of others food or water is not immoral – it would be immoral for the thirsty to steal the well its self, and it is immoral not to love your neighbor and deny them water if they are thirsty and unable to provide for themselves any water – but I don’t think this example fits our discussion. People aren’t starving or thirsting to death in America. Through their God-given creativity and liberty, able-bodied Americans are fully capable of providing for their own food and water – it is the disabled, and only the disabled that we must provide for in one way or the other.

    When many people are threatened because of the greed of a few, isn’t it our Right, our Duty, and our Responsibility to fight for Justice, Equality, and Life? Isn’t that EXACTLY what our founding fathers did all those years ago?

    * No one in America is threatened by our free enterprise economic system. We already have greater rights to life, liberty and creative pursuit of happiness than any nation on earth. We have equal opportunity – not equal economic result – the latter is the death of liberty.

    4. It doesn’t say employment for everyone. It says Full Employment for those who want to work. 100% employment will never be attained. But too often, in today’s capitalist society, are people who Want to work, are Willing and Able to do the work, are Fully Qualified to do the work, and who simply want to support their families, are turned away for some stupid Reason. Race, Skin Color, Creed, Religion, Sex, Sexuality, and a whole slew of other stupid, senseless reasons. Those who want to work to support their families, in a Socialist Society, will always be able to find work. Whether or not they like it is a different story, but we are of the firm belief that if you WANT to support your family and yourself, you should always have the means to.

    * I think the end results speak for themselves – people are literally killing themselves to gain entry into our country – exactly because of our capitalist, free enterprise system based on individual liberty.

    That is the Pursuit of Happiness you are so fond of…

    * The pursuit of happiness that you seem to be mocking didn’t come first from my keyboard, it came from the pen of Thomas Jefferson.

    5. the amount of wealthy people today who actually deserve the amount of wealth they have is staggeringly low.

    * I don’t go around worrying about the wealth of others: “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Most wealthy people in America earned it through their own hard work and God-given creativity – good for them. Get off your snooping collectivist, socialist soapbox and get to work.

    Too often we hear of people suing companies for outrageous sums of money, sometimes in the millions of dollars, because their coffee was served too hot, or their waiter was rude to them. Do these people DESERVE their millions?

    * Sometimes yes, sometimes no – but now we are digressing into the justice, or lack thereof, within the American legal system. Maybe we have some real agreement here as well.

    Too often, celebrities are paid thousands of dollars to simply Show Up at a party, or at a rave. All they do is run around with random people, having sex with everyone and their cousin, getting drunk and shouting at Jews. And they get paid, because they are famous. They have no skills, no talent, no real job. Do these people DESERVE their millions?

    * They don’t get my money, but if some fools want to give it to them who am I to inject myself into their business? Richard, you stick your nose into everyone else’s business – typical of envious socialists and communists.

    Too often is wealth passed from Father to Son.

    * Inheritance taxes should apply to all in a fair way, and if they don’t we can agree on the injustice of it. You shouldn’t single out America, or just Republicans here – there are just as many extremely rich Democrats, and the wealth that is concentrated in most other wealthy nations makes us look good.

    Bill Gates has more wealth than all but 37 countries ON THIS PLANET. I think that is a little excessive, even for the most skilled people, don’t you?

    Bill Gates earned his wealth honestly through his God-given intelligence and creativity. He didn’t coerce anyone with a death threat, and he didn’t kill anyone to gain his wealth. In most other nations the wealthy have blood on their hands. Thank God I live in America. “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

    6. Sometimes, the only way to get your point across is a violent protest. i would avoid that if there were any other alternative, but sometimes there just isn’t. you know that, and i know that.

    * Your totalitarian nature is here revealed. Violence is not just immoral, it is evil, except for the defense of your own life or that of another innocent person; or for the defense of liberty in the face of tyranny.

    7. Yes, we had a Democratic Revolution. We made our Government Democratic, in one sense of the word. However, we now need a Democratic Revolution of the Economy as well.

    * That would be called free enterprise, and we already have it as well as democratic political liberty.

    how can we truly be free if we don’t even know when our next meal will be?

    * You need to get of your ass, and off your keyboard and creatively earn your living and buy your food. If you have a devastating medical illness or injury and can’t provide for yourself, then apply for Medicare and Social Security.

    How can we truly be Democratic if we let our Veterans become homeless?

    * Same answer: If the veteran is able-bodied he must get off his ass and get to work, if he is disabled we have an immense obligation to him.

    How can we Truly be Democratic if we devalue whole segments of our population simply because they earn less money than us, or look different, or talk different?

    * This is a lie about America. We have the right idea about racial and ethnic differences here – it’s called the melting pot – “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.” Who gives a damn about someone’s skin color? All I care about is their values – the content of their character. The melting pot works – that is true multiculturalism.

    Capitalism is Anarchy of the Economy. Lassiez-Faire, or “To leave be” is a state of non-interventionialism that has failed. if we cannot even take care of our own poor, how can we expect the rest of the world to follow in our example?

    * False. Our economy is the envy of the world, and that is because free enterprise releases the God-given creativity within the free individual.

    8. I am not out to destroy the American Government. I Am here to strengthen it, and to set it back on the path that our Founding Fathers set for it. The Bill of rights was not meant as a restriction on the people, it was meant as a restriction for what the Government can do to the people. Socialism is not about destroying the Constitution, or the American Government. Socialism is the Extension of the Democracy and Freedom that our Founding Fathers fought so hard for into the Economy as well as into the Government.

    * You can peacefully agitate for your beloved socialism, but you can’t foist this on America without the consent of the American people – good luck to you.

    There, i feel like i have repeated myself for the thritieth time. Man, where in the world do people come up with these weird misconceptions about Socialism? it’s like Every Single Conservative fancies himself an Economist.

    * I am not an economist, true; and I am a modern conservative – that makes me a classical liberal like Thomas Jefferson.

  • lila scott

    Never mind that the muslim story was discreted months ago. It’s much more fun to say Obama and Wright are evil secret sleeper cells. the truth is that Obama is really Osama. He shaved his face! In the dark of night Obama sneaks and steals candy from babies and puts poison in our water It’s true.. because some rightwing loon said so. That’s good enough for me.

  • Rightwinger

    I am a Christian and a conservative. I really believe in trying to live a God centered life. While I am far from perfect I still try to strive for that goal. That being said I at first thought Obama seemed liked a guy whose ideology was different than mine but sincere in his beliefs and not just going along with democratic party guide lines. Since than there have been plenty of red flags to warrant a second look at Obama, between his wife’s statements who he chose to marry and his pastor of twenty years of whom he calls his mentor. Apparently a former Muslim according to news reports. This man is seeking the presidency of the United States. There are already some Democratic leaders willing to give up some of our sovereignty to the United Nations. We really need to know more about Obama and what is in his head. I will probably vote for McCain, he was not my favorite but with what is left I do not really have much of a choice. I know what I am getting with McCain and I will accept it. I know what I would get with Hillary and I can not accept that. We have no clue what we would get with Obama and with all of those red flags out there it could be tragic for our country and its future. We should not bash Obama. We just need to know exactly what and who he is a little better. Lets make informative decisions not just popular ones

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  • http://acropolisreview.com/2008/03/video-barack-obamas-philadelphian-unity.html Jake
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  • Sgt Smokehill

    Military service, while admirable, hardly immunizes one against being either an idiot or worse. George Lincoln Rockwell comes to mind … and of course one should recall that a little corporal named Hitler not only volunteered for combat, but was a decorated hero (Iron Cross, 2nd Class).

  • spike

    After reading these posts I am motivated to actually research Rev.
    Wright’s military service record. I wonder why a young man in an exclusive school in Philly would drop out to go into the USMC.
    I have the skepticism of an investigative journalist, so I will do an indepth study and report back.
    BTW: I am also a Marine so I either want to vigorosly defend him as a brother in arms or vigorosly excoriate him as a poser.

  • unitcomp

    Three commendations from the president of the U.S., valedictorian of his Naval Officers School graduating class. God exhorts us not to kill in Exodus. God tells us our children will be damned when we break his laws. Reverend Wright is trying to tell us the punishment for breaking God’s laws as a country. That’s what a preacher does. Preachers say a lot of things we don’t like to hear.

  • TOM

    Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine, the Austin Tower shooter was a Marine, Timothy McVeigh was a US soldier too….so what.

    We need to know the truth, if there is nothing wrong with Wright and Obama being Muslim or former Muslims then they should admit it. If they are hiding an agenda, then we deserve to know. Wright is Obama’s friend, so is Ayers, and several other Muslim criminals and terrorists.

  • jane doe

    Rev. Wright should shut his mouth and do the Lord’s work, after all he is a pator not a politiation.

  • http://www,traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Wright has no clue what the Lord’s work is, and never will have. He’s a true blue Muslim through and through. Called a blue beard along with Osama Obama. Former my foot, that guy is one of the best Muslims I ever saw. Didn’t think their was such a thing as former Muslim and they lived to tell about it. Well do tell, are we surprised at this??? Unitcomp you need to join Wright’s church, he just had a couple quit recently, yesterday as a matter of fact. LOL They will be back soon as election is over!

  • http://www,traveLightgame.com carolyne

    I like even numbers, so here goes. #100 – Wright is no pastor? his sheeple are not Christian and never will be. They are like the heath in the desert and cannot see when good comes. They are up to no good!

  • http://www,traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Just one more for the road! Unitcomp you are in the wrong dispensation with quoting God’s Word. ‘We are to rightly divide the Word of Truth,’ which I’ve never heard out of Wright’s mouth or Obama’s they are as confused as a May morning, and we are into June now. WOW! Yes, Unitcomp you would fit in nicely with all that error, and blasphemous behavior. Obama is a true left libreral and is even a south paw. Obama is so left, he can’t be right!

  • Donna

    This election has been a joke from the day the primaries started! Hillary Clinton won the “WILL OF THE PEOPLE VOTE”, the popular vote. I’m sure when it’s all said and done,there will be more dis-honest things come out,other than the “SELECTION” of the dnc’s candidate,rather than the “ELECTED”candidate. I am a democrat but will be voting for JM.in nov. I never realised politics were so dirty!!! NOOBAMA!

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  • ChungKuo

    Senator Obama has many secrets. Proof: he refuses to reveal his weight. What man refuses to disclose how many pounds he weights? I think it indicates that, like getting Dick Cheney to testify, getting, Senator Obama to disclose ANYTHING will take, literally, an Act of Congress. 

    I laughed to see the term “Dhimmicrats”. Who coined that? BRILLIANT yet scary, in a Neville Chamberlin was once head of the greatest empire in the world but lost his nerve kind of way.

    Islam means “surrender” and, for the scientifically or historically minded, has conducted 1,500 years of attacks and land-grabs and encroachments against Hindus, Jews, Christians, and Buddhists, as well as the (ultra-pacifist) Jains and the (formerly pacifists-turned-warriors-to-fight-Muslim-land-grabbing) Sikhs. There is no political system more skilled at using religious arguments to gain land or secular power, nor one that has done less to raise living standards.

    If there is the slightest doubt about Muslim sympathies about a candidate, it is treasonous for 50 million Americans (one in six, but enough to elect a president) to impose such a regime on the other 250 million Americans.

  • Kal-El

    ChungKuo,

    Welcome to the fold :D I am not sure where I first heard Dhimmicrat, but it was sometime in early 2007, when I began to open my eyes as to what islam really is. Another secret is B Hussein Obama’s birth certificate, which to this day has not been seen. But someone did send a (poorly) forged certificate to the Daily Kooks… Sorry, Daily Kos. What is he so afraid of in hiding it from We The People?

  • Alonzo

    CAN A PATRIOT PREACHER SAY HE IS AGAINST AMERICAN EVIL?
    Yes!  
    Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; who substitute bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and clever in their own sight! (NAS, Isaiah 5:20-21)
    Does America have horrendous racism?  Yes!
    Are there companies like Enron and gas companies hurting Americas?  Yes!
    Is there a racial double standard in America that incarcerates innocent black men? Yes!
    http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1992/04/04-22-92tdc/04-22-92dops-column-01.asp
    If it weren’t for DNA causing blacks to be released after several decades of shameful incarceration, Rev. Wright might not have a point.  http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/530.php
    Perhaps you wouldn’t say GD America, but there were a large number of black men who were on death row that did.  I wonder why there is no national outcry against this continued injustice. 
    You see, Rev. Jeremiah Wright is simply saying that this evil is not about the color of peoples skin, it is about sin.  His bible tells him to expose sin. 
    Lastly to compare Jeremiah Wright with Lee Harvey Oswald because you are ignorant to his view is typical of the lynching mentality. 
     
     
    IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA MUSLIM?
    Let’s face it…there are people in America that will never vote for Obama because he is Black.  Claiming that he is Muslim is a code word for saying “I will not vote for him because he is black.”  In fact the Black Liberation Movement that they so often criticize Rev. Jeremiah Wright for was devised as a response to the Nation of Islam who was recruiting from the oppressed black church.  In fact in the 1960, 70 and 80’s, 90% of those coming to faith in Islam were former black Christians.   Considering the atrocities that were in acted against many races by evil white people (not all white people) it is understandable why the black population did not believe the white racial packaging of Christianity.  No wonder 1969 created Black Liberation Theology and Theologians like Rev. Wright.  
    Is Jeremiah Wright a racist?  No more than the evil white Christian population that gave Jesus a white face even when scholarship of the early 20th century said it was a lie.  They say it does not matter, well if it did not matter, why did they lie about it for so long.
    Did Jeremiah Wright create the notion that America had something do with the Aids Virus destroying black people  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_conspiracy_theories .
     
     
    Muslim vs. Christian
    Can anyone tell me the difference?  The east African Slave trade was started by Muslims.  The transatlantic slave trade was started by Christians.  Muslims rape their slaves, Christians raped their slaves.  Slavery did not end in the Americas until the 19 century, but continues under different names (check out sharecroppers or human trafficking in America by Christians).  Muslims never engaged in lynching’s. Lynching was legal in so called Christian America right up until the 20th Century (1930).  But we see Christian KKK still engaged in the practice with the support of the  Christian Legal System.      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Donald   Could this be what Rev. Wright was saying when he said God Dam America.  After all the Warren Commission did say there were two America’s, perhaps there are three.
    The ghastly body swaying in the sun
    The women thronged to look, but never a one
    Showed sorrow in her eyes of steely blue;
    And little lads, lynchers that were to be,
    Danced round the dreadful thing in fiendish glee.
    from “The Lynching” by Claude McKay
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lynching-of-jesse-washington.jpg
    People are angry with Rev. Wright for the same reason the bible claims the ancient prophets were killed. 

  • James Lewman

    News Flash!!! for you dumb little boys who aren’t old enough to know better. Lee harvey oswald was a patsy who died at the hands of the republicans to cover the fact that the republicans shot Kennedy. I’m sixty years old and I was in High school when they killed Him. Little boys David and Bozo don’t believe rewritten historyI was there

  • jennyjen

    I won’t vote for Obama because his old lady scares the hell out of me. I don’t have anything against black people, it’s totally wrong to judge a person on the basis of their skin color, judge them on their actions.  If I racially profile a person, your race gave me a reason, if you want to break the profile, stop committing the offense. Also, racism is a 2-way fuckin street! I am a white female and I get cracker comments all the time, so when I drop the n-bomb, you can believe I mean it in its truest form, a nasty, no-good, lazy ass person-red, yellow, black or white.
    So, why won’t I vote for Obama-because he is in-experienced, extremely liberal and one more time, his old lady scares the hell out of me.

  • julius

    Too much talk and not enough action,Politics ,religion, intellect,everyone wants to put in there 2 cents worth,The works of our leaders and American people are being white washed by ridiculus opinions and arguments from all sides of politics and religion,This is why the 3rd world countries have stayed in the dark ages,If we are not carefull we will too.We as Americans need to shut the F-up and get-r-done,Simple.Stop listening to the HYpocrites,lunatics,and opionaters,they will confuse us and stop progress.We were once the most intelligent,progreesive,nation in the world but statistically speaking we have fallen behind 13 other countries in all important areas,Health,social reforms,education,etc. The other countries do important steps for thier peoples future and economics.Our Capitalist system still only benefits the 5 % who control it,We are being reduced to modern slavery,subjected to government harrasment,law suits and rampant crime.The poor working class here do not starve but can only afford “Junk food “that is killing us.If our Government would set its priorities strait we could climp back to the top as we once were the envy of the world,They (other countries) use to envy not hate us because we were cool,innovative and intelligent,Now they view us as clowns following the example of the ,Religious lunatics,war mongrels,failing economists and Drug addicted Hollywood ,musical stars.For Gods sake people,Wake up and take advantage of why we really live in the “Best countrie in the world” Together we can do it again.So instead of pondering,Why,who,when,Lets get to work on the important agendas,ex:Economic growth,Health reforms,Education,The enviorment,The future of our children,Let us Become the Proud and Free and Just People we were once known for.And rember long live John Lennon,Not the Lennon of the Communist.

  • Alonzo

    Jennyjen,
     it is super hard to base  racism and racial profiling on crime…after all crime is committed by all races (see what I wrote above).  However there are a large percentage of ethnic people who have been incarcerated who’ve never done anything (read my post above).  It is ridiculous to base your selection of a president on his spouse when most men do not agree with their spouses.  It all seems like an excuse for racial hatred, after all Jennyjen, as you know, when you drop the N-Bomb like so many Americans do, they know it is synonymous with the Black Race (not other races).  I’m sure you know the N word is derived from Negro.  It is hard to admit that America is racial so it is easier for us to hide behind unfounded labels like  ”in-experienced, extremely liberal and Muslim.”  “and one more time, his old lady scares the hell out of me.”  Come on,   I am sure Obama’s old lady would never judge you the way you’ve judged her and I am sure she would never drop the “N-Bomb” on you.  So who should we really be afraid of?  By the way Jennyjen, we blacks are no longer offended by the N-Word, we refuse to let you use it in a way that causes a “conditioned response” like  Pavloff’s Dog.  We are not dogs, no really, we aren’t … after all, you are right, dogs should not be president. But don’t worry; I believe you are evidence that this “great Country” is not ready for a black president.  As I said before, let’s face it, there are many American Whites that will never vote for a black man, “After all” they say, “He is a descendent of a slave.”   Obama’s acceptance in other countries has to do with the fact that many whites around the world are educated enough to know, “Every king has had a slave as his ancestor and every slave has had a king as his.” I don’t think Obama will be president because I think it is enough people like you who will stop him.     May God richly bless your America.

  • jennyjen

    Alonzo,
    I don’t even know where to start…I have so much to say in response. I used the phrase “N-bomb” because no one on this site knows me personally. If you did, you would know that I use that word more often to describe white people (they piss me off on the regular). Back in the day, it was synonymous with black folk but not as much today, at least not to me anyways and last time I checked, thats all that matters . I generally use it in its purest form, look it up in Webster’s if you want, it means a dirty person. Just recently, a new definition was added to make white people look even worse than we already do and that is “slang term for a black person”.
    The white male suffers the most discrimination in the US today. With affirmative action, a highly qualified white man will be turned down for a job just to appease the ACLU and other liberal, crybaby groups. I CALL BULLSHIT SIR!
    Michelle Obama has already judged me in the way I have judged her. She hates this country (she said so herself) and I say by God lets hate her back! Have you seen her?? She is fuckin scary, its in her eyes and it is in Barry O’s as well, it’s a deep hatred of all things America.  I don’t like to divide people/countries by color but I am forced to because of groups like the NAACP, ACLU, Rev. Wrights church and others hell bent on keeping this country from being united, under GOD.
    Alonzo, I can tell you have already made your mind up about me and obviously I’m a racist in your eyes. For the record, I’m not a racist.  I would love to have a black man as president, unfortunately Colin Powell is not in the running. He is highly qualified, a great decision maker and has more experience in his pinky toe than Barry O has in his entire body. Hil-dog is a former Arkansan, I am a current Arkansan which means I was never gonna vote for her anyway, I met Bill one time, he’s fun to have a drink with. So that leaves John McCain- he’s gotta temper and he manages to piss off liberals and conservatives at the same time- now thats my kinda guy!!!
    Just a little on the slavery thing…I don’t care if he’s the descendant of slaves or if he’s the child of royalty, the man isn’t qualified point muthafuckin blank!!! Why are people like you trying to make me feel racist for looking beyond the skin color and seeing what’s there? I sent an email to IAC entitled, “A Pilots Perspective on Barak Obama” , IAC is cool enough to post it and you should read it, you may change your mind.
    And just what exactly do you mean by “may God  richly bless your America”?? Is my America different from your America?? It almost slipped past me but I have a suspicion that you, Alonzo, are just a little racist.
    One thing I do agree with you on, I too think that there are enough people like me to stop Barry O!!! May God Bless Us ALL!!!

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    jennyjen – yea McCain is the man for all of us.  You said, it all and I agree with you 100%  – and if I’m racist – OK – I don’t think I am but I am racist against the racist – that is Obama to the bone.  He has caused this country more trouble that you can shake a stick at, he will reap what he he has sown.  Good enough.  McCain’s ex-wife even is voting for McCain, so that tells you something, he is cool, has courage and is a win/win for America.  You go girl!
    Same to IAC!  Love you guys that are for America – one nation under God.  We are bias and against an Obama – nation.
    Yea God Bless America the beautiful – home of the brave – in Christ.

  • Alonzo


    Ms. Jennyjen,

    I can see from your comments that you are experiencing a lot racial PTSD.  Michel Obama is a black female that has lived in America and I don’t think honest people would say the black experience in America has been great (Check out the 20/20 documentary on race).  Thank God that you will not ever experience her pain and suffering.  Let me guess, you think like a republican, because she has money she should forget those who don’t!   I don’t know if you are a racist, however anyone that angry with black people for expressing their pain in suffering in this country is suspect.  Any non black person that uses the N-word is suspect of racism.  Yes, many republicans suggest that they would vote for Collin Powell … that is easy to do when he’s not running.  By the way, Collin Powell supported affirmative action.  So I guess he’s not the house boy you were looking for!   People like you are going to exist in America  for the next 100 years I fear.  People like you are afraid that if some black family is in charge that they would treat you the way you’ve treated them over the past 100 years i.e. the N-Bomb you admitted.  You do not have to fear Ma’am, they will not! However today in our climate, racism is as much a problem for blacks as it is among whites:
     
    Michel Obama’s World:
     
    Racism is a danger which has plagued America throughout it’s existence as a nation. In years following the heyday of the Civil Rights movement of the 60′s this danger has both increased and receded. Many pundits have offered their opinions, explanations and accusations.

     

    The problem of “Rational Discrimination” is clearly pervasive, but does that make it right?

    Even if you are to take one of the most egregious statistics available, that nearly 1/3 of black males between the ages of 18-24 have been under the supervision of the justice system, and look at it another way, that same information indicates that nearly 2/3 of young black men have not so much as received a parking ticket. Nearly 2/3 have never been accused of a crime or been in a court of law, but the point of fact is that – contrary to popular belief – you can’t visually tell the third that has some type of criminal record (which could in fact mean everything from probation for a traffic ticket up to an including murder) from the other two thirds that DO NOT.
    What has happened, even in the Cab Driver scenario is that more often innocent people are being unlawfully denied services and treatment to which they are entitled, simply because of the preconception and ultimately prejudice of other people. People who don’t hate them. People who, if you were to confront them, would be quite taken aback, if not indignant at the accusation of “racism” on their part. Many of those so accused – then presume that the “true” racist is the person making the accusation rather than themselves – and so the cycle continues. One finger pointed, then leads to another finger pointed back, and so on, and so forth…
    No, none of this is “racism” per se. This is fear and laziness on the part of both of these people in this scenario. Neither has taken the time or applied the personal courage required to find the truth. Unfortunately, Racism is exactly what the results of their actions wind up being, even if unintentionally.
     
     
    But where has this really left us? left us?
    In the United there have been crimes committed against White Americans on the basis of their ethnicity. According to FBI statistics from 1995-2002, Whites are the second most targeted group for racially motivated hate crime. These crimes are often localized and occur in areas where White Americans are a racial minority.] They do not receive the same media attention as other racially motivated crimes.

     
     
     
    Ms. Jennyjen, The prototypical racist is one who expresses fear, loathing and hatred for persons who are of a particular race or ethnic background. This hatred created groups in the 1930’s and 40’s like the Nation of Islam.  When blacks where being murdered in the streets people came together to protect themselves.  Naturally they would not have a liking to the people who had lynched.  Rev. Wright came up at a time that some of his friends were burned alive on a bus and killed doing the civil rights movement.  So yes Ms. Jennyjen he too is probably going through a little PTSD. 
     
    Few persons since Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. have offered a clear path toward a resounding resolution to this issue which can be readily embraced by all concerned. Would Dr King have supported Affirmative Action? Some say that his call to judge by the “content of ones character” indicates that he would not, but scholars who’ve researched his comments on the issue indicate that he would. Are those who oppose the continuance of Affirmative Action the modern equivalent of the 60′s racist, as has been contended by noted activist Julian Bond – or do organizations such as the NAACP, where Bond is chairman, signify the face of modern racism with it’s clearly race based (Where ‘CP’ equals “colored people”) point of view?
    Or are none of these people “racist” at all, but merely attempting to solve the same problem using different means?
     
    It must be fun for people like you lynch black people like Obama.  You know they did the same thing at their picnics. But comone let’s face it, people like you will never vote for a black man regardless of how qualified he is.  Let’s look at some examples of Michell Obama’s America that you will  have to see. 
     
    o    First Alabama Bank of Mobile Alabama
    In conducting a compliance review of this Federal contractor, OFCCP’s compliance officers discovered that there were disproportionately few minorities that had been hired for entry level clerical positions. Of 588 applicants, 143 were minorities. Of these, only 11 were hired, although minority applicants were as qualified as non minorities. A review of the interview notes of the bank’s personnel officer included statements pertaining to race, the color of one’s eyes, hair and other physical attributes. For example: One candidate who was selected was described as “attractive white female, blond hair, blue eyes, teller-type appearance.” A black candidate not selected was labeled, “very large lips and hips, overweight, dark skin, black girl, her hair is longer than most, appearance is not good enough to meet the public.”
    San Diego Marriot and Marina
    During a tour of the facility, OFCCP compliance officers noted that there were no Black women in any visible jobs on the worksite, such as restaurant servers, banquet waiters, room service attendants, hostesses and guest attendants. From reviewing the contractor’s workforce analysis and applications, OFCCP staff found that while Black women applied for these jobs, and were in some instances better qualified than the nonminorities selected, they were not selected and the contractor could not offer a nondiscriminatory reason for the nonselections. As a result of the compliance review, 34 Black women received job offers, back pay with interest minus interim earnings and other benefits totaling $627,000.
     
     
    Another example might be someone applying for loan being denied with only the vaguest of reasons given.
    Yet another example might be someone attempting to rent a home is rejected or told that the space is no longer available, when this is not true.
    How is the person that they have acted against to know the reason for their action?
    Was it bigotry or just bad luck? Discrimination or some other intangible, subjective factor?
    A racist or bigot in a position to take the above types of actions…a person in a position of responsibility or relative “power”…can have a devastating impact on people lives. Actions such as these, if taken for racial or bigoted reasons are illegal – however, if taken for other reasons which are considered “bona-fide”…are in fact, fully and completely legal. Determining the difference between the two possibilities is sometimes nearly impossible for the person that they have acted against.
    Few of these people are caught in the act of discriminating or employing bias, unless they happen to “confess” their actions via documentation, or to someone who they incorrectly believe may be sympathetic and supportive of their actions. The EEOC and OFCCP have attempted to determine this kind of bias in effect by using Audits and Civil Right Testers…as opposed to quota or even goal based systems.
    The long term result of this behavior has been an air of increasing fear, suspicion and outright paranoia among those people who may have, or may not have been the victims of the actions of a covert racist – even while the actions of unqualified overt racists have certainly diminished since the Civil Rights Era. Accusations are made, fingers are pointed. Sometimes incorrectly, which in turn brings bitterness and resentment by people who have not acted out of racism or bigotry, but are accused of it all the same.
    As success is achieved and progress is made, further progress becomes more and more difficult and challenging.

  • Alonzo

    IS OBAMA READY TO LEAD THE FREE WORLD?
    Sen. John McCain, said Sunday that the leader for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, would be “absolutely” qualified to be president, should the voters elect him. But, he said, “I believe that my talent and my background and my experience, which has led to my judgment, … qualifies me more.”
     
    Bill Clinton says Barack Obama is qualified: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q1RIJJcZwk
    Bill Richardson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtfVSPPVAOM
    What does Barack say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auojND6kIbA
    What does Barack believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5h95s0OuEg&feature=related
     
    Like him or hate him, he is qualified to lead.  Oh and he’s not Muslim (smile).
     
     
    John McCain has conceded what conservatives have been saying for months. There is no compelling reason to vote for him, except one: Defeating the Democrat. The election is a referendum on Obama. A vote for McCain is a “no” vote on Obama’s hectoring and deceptive message of “Hope” and “Change.”
     
    If Barack Obama’s rhetoric is demagoguery, then let’s have more of it. After eight years of leadership that exploited our fears, it’s a welcome change to hear from a politician who appeals to our hopes.

    Republicans used to be experts at sunny optimism: It’s why Ronald Reagan ― a man whose deification by the GOP makes Obama look like a piker ― is still beloved. Now the party of “Morning in America” runs advertisements featuring Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. It’s an ugly sight.

    It is often impossible to predict how a candidate will govern, and Obama is no exception. But his abilities in the pulpit are, in fact, one indicator of his ability to lead.

    Though it may be hard to remember in the era of a president with 29 percent approval ratings, most politicians find it easier to get things done if they can persuade voters to back their decisions. In a democracy, that’s not a bad thing.

    If John McCain is running as “not Obama,” it’s fair to say that one of Obama’s most appealing qualities is that he is not President Bush. He’d have a different approach to matters of war, foreign policy, the economy and energy. In the search for our next leader, those may be the best qualifications of all.
     
    An odd question has been popping up lately on the network news channels and discussion shows. Is Barack Obama qualified to become President considering he is only a one term Senator. Let’s take a page out of the Republican playbook, shall we? We’ll answer the question about Obama’s fitness to become President despite lack of experience by looking at what kind of qualifications George W. Bush had to become President.

    George W. Bush was by his own admission and report cards a mediocre student throughout his academic career. Despite being a C student in elementary through high school, however, George W. Bush still found himself being accepted by Yale University. While somewhere in America a poor kid with great grades had to forget his or her dreams of Yale, George W. Bush graduated magna cum laude with a double major: Partying and Drinking. Meanwhile, Barack Obama rose from a solid middle class existence to earn his way into the Ivy League.

    George W. Bush then went on to strengthen the skills he would need as America’s future Commander-in-Chief by using his family’s political connections to get him out Vietnam. As well all know, even a cushy job with the Texas National Guard proved to be a bit more than George’s delicate condition could handle so he wrangled a job serving America while that poor kid he beat out of a spot in Yale was probably saving lives in Vietnam by wrangling a job helping a racist Alabama Republican run an election.

  • jennyjen

    I absolutely refuse to watch that 20/20 bullshit until they release a documentary on “Being White in America”. You don’t seem to be catching what I’m throwing here and I suppose its because your liberal whining mindset cannot grasp the fact that I don’t care about skin color. Liberals have to have racism to survive-even if that means they must perpetuate it themselves. And that Alonzo, is what you have done. I do not judge a person on skin color, I refuse to because that is not what God teaches us to do. That being said, lets look at your example. Privately-owned businesses hire people based on appearance, especially banks but what about Hooters. I like to think that I look good, but I’m no where near Hooters qualified. So what do I do about this? Hmmm…..I could do the liberal thing, apply for a job there, get rejected and then file a discrimination law suit. Or I can put my big-girl panties on, realize that I’m in no way qualified to work at Hooters and go somewhere else for a job!!! So, Alonzo, go find some big-girl panties and shut that liberal trap and if you can get Barry O a pair, I’ll pay the shipping!!
    I realize that many Americans are still racists, that’s just a hard fact that we all have to live with. Hell, my great-great-great grandfather owned a tobacco plantation pre-civil war and he had close to 500 slaves- in no way am I proud, but in the same aspect-I’m not ashamed either. He was a successful man and he was just rolling with the law of the land at the time.
    And on the Colin Powell thing…everybody has the opportunity to be wrong.
    And Alonzo, my job as a property manager requires me to meet all different races and religions, I run a standard background and credit check….more white people come back looking bad than black people. But, once again, you’re forcing me to bring color into the mix and I hate that! I don’t want to be judged because I’m white, from the South and got less than a $100 in my checking account, I want to be judged on the basis that I’m not scared to speak my mind, I have a strong will to survive and I’m actually a good person or so I’ve been told by more than handful of people. Thats how I’m looking at my presidential candidates- John McCain visits with troops, Barry O blows them off; John McCain has put his life on the line for this country, Barry O has not; John McCain is a strong-willed war hero who has served his country for the better part of his life, Barry O is “johnny-come-lately”.
    What you are calling progress…it ain’t progress to vote for a man because of his skin color, vote for what the man stands for.  Barry O’s stance flip-flops too much for me, I’ll get sea sick.

  • Alonzo

    Ms. jennyjen,

    I kind of  figured your world view was clouded by slave owners in your family or at least your view of thinking that it was not all that bad tells me how you see black people. It’s hard to hate people ou view as property.  Well slavery was not only bad it was evil.  Slave owners were rapist, pedophiles, thieves and abusers of the worst kind.  You are ok with this because it was not illegal.    In fact there are a number of human traffickers that serve in countries that the practice is not illegal.   People like you always have the view that if it does not happen to me and my family it is not all that bad. 
     
    Skin color shouldn’t be an issue, but you know as well as I do that it is.  And what is liberal?  Is that another word for people who are your “N-Bomb lovers.”  It is obvious what your world view is. As I said some people will never vote for Obama!  By the way I was not talking about the program ”Blacks in America” … that was not on 20/20 it was on CNN.  Let’s get back to 20/20 … 20/20 did a special where a black person had the same education and qualifications of his white friend, yet everywhere he went he was discriminated against.  But people like you would make up an excuse that they wouldn’t hire him because he wasn’t, shall we say, their hooters qualified.  Yet he had the “panties” as you say, they were looking for, it’s just that his skin color was wrong. That is what you are missing … people can’t help their skin color.  You are missing that your heart is what causes you to be an enemy of the black population like so many of your ancestors.  Rev. Wright’s ancestors could have been descendent of your great parents… look at the color of his skin, he admits that someone was sexually mulested by a slave owner. 
     
    This discussion is not  about liberal or conservative and it is not about the color of your skin it is about sin.  Please don’t forget that while your ancestors were engaged in horrendous acts against humanity, some of your neighbors ancestors were the safe houses that these victimized humans were escaping to.  Yes many whites in the deep south were freedom fighters.  More than half of the underground railroad were white freedom fighters.  So please don’t get it twisted … most white people were not slave owners, your people only represented a small portion of the morally deprived aspect of America. 
     
    Well I understand when people like you like John McCain, after all you think slavery wasn’t that bad.  John McCain shares your morals:
     
    What would you call a man who divorced his ailing wife with three kids to run off with a trophy wife worth 800 million dollars? A pig, a scumbag, something worse…? I know one thing, I would never call him President.
    Whatever honor John McCain retained from his war experience was lost long ago when the so called “Maverick” of political expediency became the typical lying politician that he is today. Like Stevens in Alaska this old grey dog of Washington politics a so dirty that he can’t see the truth without a poll or a political advisor telling which way the political wind is blowing.
    Say one thing, do another … seems to be the real John McCain is finally showing himself for the dirty lying politician that he is. We have just suffered through eight years of double talking, truth is fiction and fiction is truth propaganda under George Bush, who like his father has brought this country to its knees in the name of Republican ideals. We don’t need another phony flag wrapped salesman pushing his used car of political sleaze into the white house.
    As John McCain again and again fumbles through his notes to answer simple questions and has a bullet point bullshit response for anything that doesn’t fit his talking points one has to wonder what the hell he thinks he is doing running for president. He is clearly lying to the American people with his poll tested issues and focus group derived language yet the media will publish this political marketing crap as news without verifying or questioning its validity.  
    Early in the campaign season it seemed like sport to be the first to compliment the other candidates qualification to hold the office of president. At this stage in the political season let me say for record “John McCain Is Not Qualified To Be President”.
    Never has been and never will be.
     
     
     

  • Alonzo

    Ms. jennyjen,

    Just a simple question really, but a serious one. A simple review of the major candidates websites reveals some very hard truths about the level of political acuity or intelligence of the two campaigns.
    For example where Obama talks at length about rural community rebuilding, energy infrastructure, school equality, access to health care, and having a working relationship with rural Congressional leaders to improve the lives of rural taxpayers. McCain on the same rural community platform only regurgitates the party bullet points on anti gay legislation and gun rights.
    Could it be that the republicans just take the rural voters in America for fools? Or is it true that these voters will not see the republican party, over and over again manipulating them, into actually voting for a candidate that wont work for them, wont improve schools, wont improve the energy grid, and will forget them again, just like Bush 1 and Bush 2. Has republican hate radio so bewildered these voters that they truly don’t believe their own tax dollars should bring real benefit to their local communities?
    The McCain platform seems to indicate the later point, though McCain the candidate has shifted to the center on most of these topics in his speeches. The media will tell you that McCain not only has a sizable lead among these rural voter, but that Obama has a hard road to reaching rural communities in America.
    So I ask you with all sincerity. Has Republican become the party of ignorance?

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  • jennyjen

    When did I say slavery wasn’t that bad?? Slavery brought Africans to this great country, after Lincoln followed thru with his propaganda the option to go back to Africa was on the table for every slave brought over or born into servitude, seeing as your here, your grand-dad decided to stay with the white devils you grouped me and my family with. And slavery was a trade, which meant somebody on the other end was making money off selling brothers and sisters to us, the white devils. (SAD BUT TRUE!)
    I’m never going to get thru to you that I’m against all forms of slavery, I’m not going to convince you that my animosity towards the Obama’s has absolutely nothing to do with their skin color. You’ve got your liberal mindset and therefore in your mind, I can do no good because I don’t believe over correcting the future can do a damn thing about the past! oh and I’m white which seems to be a major personality flaw in your book.
    I’m just gonna go argue with a brick wall now…I’ll get further with it than I will with you. :)

  • jennyjen

    Oh, and to quote the Confederate Yankee, “Liberalism is a persistent vegatative state”

  • http://deedeedee.org Carlos Mencia

    Alonzo,

    It was B Hussein Obama who told a crowd of rich, white people in California that we rural voters are bitter and cling to our guns. That’s some working relationship he has going on there. McCain meets with regular folks in townhalls all the time, and has invited B Hussein Obama on numerous occasions. SURPRISE! B Hussein Obama wants nothing to do with a face to face in front of real people asking real questions, because, as we see when he is put on the spot, without his handlers, every other word is “ah”, “um”, or “uhhh”. He talks about energy infrastructure but offers no precise plan. Same with his universal medical care. You call the GOP the party of ignorance, yet it was George Bush, after YEARS OF MCCAIN SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS FOR A TROOP SURGE, that initiated a surge. A surge, by the way, that B Hussein Obama said would fail. B Hussein Obama, along with Comrade Pelosi and Fuhrer Reid were all for surrender, and running away like girlie men. Yet despite B Hussein Obama all but guaranteeing it would fail, (GASP!) THE SURGE WORKED. 10 out of 18 provinces are in Iraqi hands. 15 of 18 benchmarks have been met.  This clearly illustrates which party is the party of ignorance.

  • ender

    there was something worse than slavery and it went on for centuries.  It was called human sacrifice, life had no value, so when a tribe or village lost a dispute or battle they were sacrificed, some were even eaten.  But then someone said, hold on, we can use some workers over here to establish a permanent village instead of just being nomadic.  needed farmers to plant and harvest and workers for building more permanent housing.  So what were the native Americans doing in South America before the Spanish arrived and introduced slavery to the new world, yep cutting out hearts and making sacrifices to the gods.  So when a stronger tribe is offered gold or other desired objects for workers, they wouldn’t send their own, but defeat a weaker neighbor and off they go.  Now instead of mass murder you have slavery.  So it went from worse to bad then as civilization improved it abolished slavery.  But it still happens in Africa and the middle east, it just doesn’t get the media attention it deserves.  why?? because it is still run by the muslims, and we must not offend them.  There were white slaves too, even in America so it was an equal opportunity problem. 
    For more info on the muslim slave trade, past and present go to http://www.truthandgrace.com/muslimslavery.htm
    So trying to place blame on who did what and who is responsible now is kinda stupid.  It is part of world history and people have emigrated and moved all over the world as slaves and slave owners.  So get over it, get on with your life and work towards a better tomorrow.

  • Alonzo

    You said your slave owning grandpapapa was a good business man. People can draw their own conclusions about your view of slavery.  No, it is a misnomer that every slave had the option of returning to Africa.  Lincoln only suggested this because he thought whites and blacks could not live in peace.  This discussion might imply he was right.  However most whites are good people that want the best for all Americans.  So again this is not an issue of racism, the issues underscors the psychological insecurities of people like you Miss Jennyjen.    
     You Said: And slavery was a trade, which meant somebody on the other end was making money off selling brothers and sisters to us, the white devils. (SAD BUT TRUE!)
    Correction: No it was not true.  Many African chiefs sold their prisoners to  Dutch, British, etc. Slave traders. But the African concept of prisoners or slaves was not that they were subhuman.  In fact a slave or a prisoner could grow to be the head of a house hold or even rule a nation like Joseph in Egypt.  Perhaps you should check out books by the white scholar Basil Davidson.    However, according to National Geographic and the Smithsonian, when the chiefs discovered that the Africans they sold the slave traders were be used like cattle they immediately cut off the slave trade.  Nazinga was one such chief as was Mansa Musa.  Then many of the slave pirots began to kidnap man women and children.  The lie was always told that men sold their wives and parents sold their children.  One Dutch trader responded that such notions were false.
     
    You Said: I’m never going to get thru to you that I’m against all forms of slavery, I’m not going to convince you that my animosity towards the Obama’s has absolutely nothing to do with their skin color.
    Reponses: Well you did say if Collin Power was running you would vote for him.  But that is what all people on your side of America say.  Let’s face it you guys, no matter how good a black person is you wouldn’t vote for him.    
    You Said: You’ve got your liberal mindset and therefore in your mind, I can do no good because I don’t believe over correcting the future can do a damn thing about the past! oh and I’m white which seems to be a major personality flaw in your book.
    Response:  I am not a liberal at all.  By the way, we don’t have to over correct the future but we do have to make some adjustments so that we can insure liberty and justice for all. By the way there are a great many white people that believe that as well. Please don’t tell my God children who are white with blond hair and blue eyes that I think being white is a personality flaw.  OOOOH … they would start to cry.  All I am saying is that you or your people have not made a good case against Obama.  So the only conclusion that I can come to is that you guys make up things about him because you don’t want to say you hate him because he is black.  I am sorry you feel that way about us, but the bottom line is that if you need help we would help you because we know how you treated us. 
    You Said: Oh, and to quote the Confederate Yankee, “Liberalism is a persistent vegatative state”
    Response: You don’t have to quote someone who is the philosophy of your way of life.  How unfortunate for young Americans that your old dead mentality continues.  By the way, slaves were not brought to a great country.  But in the words of the patriot John Brown, this was a “Guilty Nation that could only be purged by blood.”  
    Carlos Said: It was B Hussein Obama who told a crowd of rich, white people in California that we rural voters are bitter and cling to our guns.
    Carlos: I know some rural voters are bitter and cling to their guns.  In fact they also create militias to overtake the government. In fact, I have driven through these places and they literally give me mean looks.  I don’t know what you call it but it looks bitter to me.  Secondly, Obama needed secret service from the day he entered the race because your rural voters have been making death threats against him because he is black.  If you recall, that is why Collin Power did not run. 
    Carlos Said: He talks about energy infrastructure but offers no precise plan. Same with his universal medical care.
    Response:  Oh he has given a plan for energy the same with universal medical care.  His plans are almost identical to Clinton.  What are you talking about.  People get so caught up in this racial issue that they fail to listen or read.  You may not agree, but he has a plan.
    ·         http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy
    ·         http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/opinion/04krugman.html
     
    Carlos Said: You call the GOP the party of ignorance, yet it was George Bush, after YEARS OF MCCAIN SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS FOR A TROOP SURGE, that initiated a surge. A surge, by the way, that B Hussein Obama said would fail. B Hussein Obama, along with Comrade Pelosi and Fuhrer Reid were all for surrender, and running away like girlie men. Yet despite B Hussein Obama all but guaranteeing it would fail, (GASP!) THE SURGE WORKED. 10 out of 18 provinces are in Iraqi hands. 15 of 18 benchmarks have been met.  This clearly illustrates which party is the party of ignorance.
    Response:  I was in the military and I still have friends coming back from the war.  Do not believe the hype.  If America stays in the land of Mohammed you will see what I mean. Our troops will continue to die in a war that should have never been waged.  Don’t tell me well we are their now … it does nothing to legitimize the casualties that should never have been casualties. 
    Ender Said: there was something worse than slavery and it went on for centuries.  It was called human sacrifice, life had no value, so when a tribe or village lost a dispute or battle they were sacrificed, some were even eaten.  But then someone said, hold on, we can use some workers over here to establish a permanent village instead of just being nomadic.  needed farmers to plant and harvest and workers for building more permanent housing.  So what were the native Americans doing in South America before the Spanish arrived and introduced slavery to the new world, yep cutting out hearts and making sacrifices to the gods.  So when a stronger tribe is offered gold or other desired objects for workers, they wouldn’t send their own, but defeat a weaker neighbor and off they go.  Now instead of mass murder you have slavery.  So it went from worse to bad then as civilization improved it abolished slavery.  But it still happens in Africa and the middle east, it just doesn’t get the media attention it deserves.  why?? because it is still run by the muslims, and we must not offend them.  There were white slaves too, even in America so it was an equal opportunity problem. 
    For more info on the muslim slave trade, past and present go to http://www.truthandgrace.com/muslimslavery.htm
    So trying to place blame on who did what and who is responsible now is kinda stupid.  It is part of world history and people have emigrated and moved all over the world as slaves and slave owners.  So get over it, get on with your life and work towards a better tomorrow.
    Response:  Wow … Wow … Wow!  This country had the claim that all men were created equal.  They knew better.  It was admitted by the founding fathers of this country that slavery was evil.  Yet most of them owned slaves.  Those that signed the declaration of independence owned slaves.  They were hypocrites like anyone trying to avoid the shame it has caused this country.   I am not talking about muslim slavery … I am talking about Christian slavery in America that was founded by hypocrites that said they believed in the ministry of Christ. Christ said:  ”The Spirit of the Lord is with me. He has anointed me to tell the Good News to the poor. He has sent me to announce forgiveness to the prisoners of sin and the restoring of sight to the blind, to forgive those who have been shattered by sin,”
     They were liars and con artist.  Perhaps you should read a book by two white scholars called: Alienable Rights the Exclusion of African Americans in in a white man’s land 1619—2000.     http://books.google.com/books?id=e9UJ1kqotOYC&dq=alienable+Rights+the+book&pg=PP1&ots=yZPHOuQjIH&sig=KHZcPkXxFnGF7TTtPgd8kpI0mmM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result
     
    By the way, there was nothing worse then slavery.  This certainly looks like human sacrifice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVzJ2RIlUwE
    However the views of the founding fathers were not the view of all Americans.  Anyway God bless all of you and I will pray that he will make your America good for us all.

  • jennyjen

    Once again Alonzo, I have gotten further with my brick wall. Why do you have to approve of my case against Barry O? My vote is my vote, right?? I have asked a few of my black friends (yes, I have black friends) who they intend on voting for and you know what their answer is, John McCain. Why, is my next question and they say the same thing I do and it all boils down to NOT FUCKIN QUALIFIED!
    So, are my friends being racist against their own race? I guess it’s a possibility, however I think its more along the lines of what I initially said- too liberal, not qualified and his old lady scares the hell out of me (Carolyn agrees with me on that last point).
    And Alonzo, you say there is nothing worse than slavery…so you’ve suffered every other indignity and you personally know for a fact that there is nothing worse than slavery???  Ask McCain what they do to you in Vietnamese Torture Camps during the War.  Ask my friend Matt, who leaves in 10 days for his 3rd tour in Iraq where during his first two witnessed a small child explode, his best friends head blown off and a woman stoned to death because of Islamic oppression-and that’s the stuff he would tell me because the rest he says, makes him wake up in the night screaming and he doesn’t want to talk about it.
    And I never said I agreed with slavery but at the time, it was progress. My long gone family had a tobacco plantation in Southern Kentucky and it was profitable to own slaves-making a profit is good business. And not all slave owners tortured slaves like you imply. Sure, that’s the shit that gets published because it’s what sells. Grant and Lincoln were both very much against freeing the slaves but they needed more Union soldiers because at the time, the South was winning. So, in order to generate more bodies for the war, they proposed freedom for slaves, there’s that damn truth again.
    History is written by the victors that’s why the majority of this country thinks the civil war was all about slavery. No, it was about states having the power to govern themselves and the federal governments passion to control all things within its borders. I still agree with the South on this one…what works for Connecticut doesn’t cut it in Mississippi and the federal government needs to loosen its grip. We need a small federal government to handle foreign affairs and to keep the military strong-thats all they need to do. States can handle the rest. May God Bless this Country because it is Great!
    American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God!

  • Alonzo

    LETS BE HONEST … IT IS NOT ABOUT THE ISSUES IT IS REALY ABOUT RACE!
    Barack Obama does have a lot of substance, but they hide stuff like that in reading materials.  Small Town America, like you is satisfied that we shouldn’t vote for a black man … after all he can’t really be that smart.  Those black people put on good shows, but there is no substance.  “No substance’ is another code word for you know what (smile), to include it is a small town American lie.  You might not like his views but there are plenty to choose from:
    ·         http://www.issues2000.org/senate/barack_obama.htm
    ·         http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
    ·         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama
    SMALL TOWN AMERICA
    By the way this is not a white black issue.  White people/All types of people like Barack Obama.  But let’s face it, there are many people like you that could care less about the facts … race is always a bigger issue in Small Town America. They hate blacks and hate Obama.  My God, please watch this youtube.  I am sorry we are black, but it’s not our fault … I did not choose being black … I am sorry that I am a American in your country.  I hope that people like you in small town America will please stop hurting us for something we cannot change. 
    ·         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjBbx5dyKY
    ·         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzLR32ZaQJM
    DOWN SOUTH HATE’S OBAMA BASED ON RACE
    Did small town America place death threats against Obama … yes they did.
    ·         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nid7PRNQ5F0
    ·         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amxw7Bh3rAc&feature=related
    ·         
     
    I laugh when you said blacks did not go back to Africa when they were given a chance.  You continued by writing something about them choosing to stay in the land of the white devils … or something like that.  I cannot believe that small town America is still that evil.  Wow … I hope you know that the only home that the slaves knew was America. You and people like you represent the darkness of this country.  By the way, the slaves have recorded how the slave masters treated them.  My God … what type of people could have done such things in the name of Jesus the Christ?  How horrified must people like you be that a son of a slave and the daughter of a slave master will unify the country in the name of love.  
     
    You said: Once again Alonzo, I have gotten further with my brick wall.
    Answer: I am sure you have! It would be interesting to see that. The older I get the least I listen to what people say and the more I watch what they do.  It is hard to believe that people as anti American as you still exists. 
    You Said: Why do you have to approve of my case against Barry O? My vote is my vote, right?? I have asked a few of my black friends (yes, I have black friends) who they intend on voting for and you know what their answer is, John McCain. Why, is my next question and they say the same thing I do and it all boils down to NOT FUCKIN QUALIFIED!  So, are my friends being racist against their own race?
    Answer: You have black friends?  I doubt if you call them friends behind their back. (smile)  That is hard to believe!  Racism with your black friends?  It’s probably not racism as it relates to your black friends.  But I would wonder—considering your gross disrespectful racial philosophy and language—why blacks would consider you a friend.  The answer is that we have good and bad people in every race.  Birds of a feather flock together.  One of the greatest slave traders was an evil self-serving conservative known as Tipo Tib he would have loved your views.  By the way, he was a black man. Again, let me emphasize that my comments are not based on race!  However I do know that 90% of white conservatives are racist and it has come out in this presidential.  But really, who cares if you are racist … it’s just that I hate when your friends try to appear holly when they are really evil.  
     
    You Said:  I guess it’s a possibility, however I think its more along the lines of what I initially said- too liberal, not qualified and his old lady scares the hell out of me (Carolyn agrees with me on that last point).
    Answer:  Barack Obama’s wife would never hurt you as much as you’ve hurt blacks in the discussions you’ve had here and elsewhere.  She can’t hurt you and never would, but you have already demonstrated that you would drop the N-bomb any chance you could.  I understand, after all, the respect you have for your slave owning grandparents is indicative of a person that loves America as long as it glories in whites alone. How sad you live in an America that is so different from the one where love dwells.
    You Said: And Alonzo, you say there is nothing worse than slavery…so you’ve suffered every other indignity and you personally know for a fact that there is nothing worse than slavery??? 
    Answer:  I was never a slave, but I have known those who existed under slavery.  I lived in the after poop of slavery in the south … and I to served in a foreign war.  That is all I will say about that.  
    You Said: Ask McCain what they do to you in Vietnamese Torture Camps during the War.  Ask my friend Matt, who leaves in 10 days for his 3rd tour in Iraq where during his first two witnessed a small child explode, his best friends head blown off and a woman stoned to death because of Islamic oppression-and that’s the stuff he would tell me because the rest he says, makes him wake up in the night screaming and he doesn’t want to talk about it.
    Answer:  If you think this is close to slavery, perhaps I was wrong about you.  You are not evil, you are just ignorant of the facts.
     
    You Said: And I never said I agreed with slavery but at the time, it was progress. My long gone family had a tobacco plantation in Southern Kentucky and it was profitable to own slaves-making a profit is good business. And not all slave owners tortured slaves like you imply. Sure, that’s the shit that gets published because it’s what sells.
    Answer: Ma’am, being a slave was tortured in itself. What they didn’t publish is that 98.9%  of all slave masters to include the founding fathers molested their slaves who were 8 and under.  If the slaves ran away which they often did, their tendons were cut.  If they were caught looking at a white woman they were castrated and hung in a tree that was set on fire and they were shot down piece by piece.  At the time in this great country is was not known as murder.  But the blood of the slaves screams from the ground against disrespectful people like you.  Remember that good white people always fought along the side African American freedom fighters. 
     You Said: Grant and Lincoln were both very much against freeing the slaves but they needed more Union soldiers because at the time, the South was winning. So, in order to generate more bodies for the war, they proposed freedom for slaves, there’s that damn truth again. History is written by the victors that’s why the majority of this country thinks the civil war was all about slavery. No, it was about states having the power to govern themselves and the federal governments passion to control all things within its borders.
    Answer:  Well maybe I am wrong, perhaps you really are evil.  Your racism clouds the facts as usual as many of your evil counterparts. Yes a lot of people to include blacks and whites claim that Grant and Lincoln were not against slavery.  It’s just your conservative brothers and sisters trying to cause division and assert their inherent superiority.  Why did the union soldiers sing, John Browns Body lays a smoldering in the grave, but his truth goes marching on!   At the age of 28, while serving in the Illinois General Assembly, Lincoln made one of his first public declarations against slavery.  He gave his life to end it because a house divided against itself could not stand.  Not only was Grant and Lincoln against slavery their entire public lives but so was Robert E. Lee.  In general most of the South thought it was evil, and they planned to abolish it. This probably was the result of  However the Union had a different time line.   The stance against slavery probably resulted from Rev. Theodore D. Weld, “The Bible Against Slaver.”   http://medicolegal.tripod.com/weldbas.htm By the way he was right.  By the way Grant originally did not want to use the slaves as soldiers because when the confederate army caught them they would torture and kill them. 
     
     You Said: I still agree with the South on this one…
    Answer: What a surprise!
    You Said: what works for Connecticut doesn’t cut it in Mississippi and the federal government needs to loosen its grip. We need a small federal government to handle foreign affairs and to keep the military strong-thats all they need to do. States can handle the rest. May God Bless this Country because it is Great!
    American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God!
    Answer: God will bless this country, but it is not because of people like you.  It is because of people like Barack Obama and Michel Obama

  • me

    Barack Hussein Obama is a traitor and all who support him are traitors

  • Alonzo

    He Said: Comment by me on 20 August 2008:
    Barack Hussein Obama is a traitor and all who support him are traitors.

    Answer: You are funny! Stick and Stones make break my bones but words will never hurt me.  Barack Hussein Obama is a traitor?  The bible claims that we all are traitors to sin when we come into the marvelous light of His glory.  As a sinner saved by Grace, Barack Hussein Obama knows full well what it is like to sin.  But I am so glad that he knows what it is like to be a sinner saved by grace.  I would love to hear why you think he is a traitor; there is no evidence that suggests this is true.  But I don’t know everything.  Thanks.
     

  • jennyjen

    I agree with me and myself. Sorry Alonzo, you look at this country thru your eyes and I see it thru mine.  Sick of defending myself and my heritage, you have yours, I have mine. I’m proud of this country, things of the past are just that-it’s the present and future that is my greatest concern. The future is FUCKED with Barry O in office, that’s my opinion and it is the shared opinion of many people. Obamanites disagree and support the Obamesiah (LMFAO) and it is their right as citizens to do so. Freedom of speech is dear to me and I’ll be damned if anyone tries to stamp it out, even if it the person exercising that right pisses me off-it is a right. So, I’m gonna run along and try to piss off as many people as I can today! Why??? Because I can hahaha (evil laugh on)!!!!
    Oh and in regards to my friends, get fucked! They know I’m proud of being from the South and they are too! Heritage- not hate. They my friends to the end, I got their back, they got mine. The only reason I used the term “black” is b/c you force me to. You live and breathe racism and discrimination like most liberals, without manifesting hate, liberals have nothing to bitch, moan and whine about.
    LMFAO at that last little comment about Barry and Michelle! God has already blessed this country, we all have bullshit detectors and they blow up like the dope man’s cell phone if you get too close to the Obamas!
    Now, I’m off to exercise some more free speech- Ain’t America Grand!!! Deuces!

  • Alonzo

    Ms. Jennyjen, your arguments about Barack Hussein Obama have all been destroyed.  There is only one reason left for your anger that this American will get in office.  It’s Ok, you don’t have to like us, you just have to treat us right.  That is why this country is great because it forced your racism into the closet where it belongs.  Please don’t tell me about your white friends, for even the slave masters had a few black girl friends.  That is why Rev. Wright looks the way he does!   Say the past doesn’t matter if you want, but the truth is another story!
     
    Ms. jennyjen Said: The future is FUCKED with Barry O in office, that’s my opinion and it is the shared opinion of many people.

    Answer: But more people believe he will be the greatest president in American History.  Because he represents me and he represents you.  You See; there in is your problem …that is what pisses you off.  But that is OK … you will have about 8 years to get over your plantation conservative mentality when he is President.  There is always the possibility that one of your people will kill him … remember, that is what happen to most great black leaders.  That is why Collin Powell did not run.  It is a problem of the past that we are dealing with today.  That is why  Barack Hussein Obama has had secret service from the beginning … because the past continues to plague many Black  Americans today.  Your answer is to send us back to Africa, my answer is to live out the true meaning of our American creed, i.e. “Freedom and Justice for All!”     

    Ms. jennyjen Said: You live and breathe racism and discrimination like most liberals, without manifesting hate, liberals have nothing to bitch, moan and whine about.

    I Answer in your own words: “Freedom of speech is dear to me and I’ll be damned if anyone tries to stamp it out…” After all liberal bitching and moaning caused the civil rights of women and minorities to be respected by all Americans.  Freedom is the right to Bitch and Moan.

    My Words: I agree with you on this, please don’t get mad.  I never said you did not have a right to tell any lie you choose … but I have a right to correct the lies.   I have done that with a collaboration of the evidence.  That always pisses conservatives of because they do not want to be confused by the facts. You can’t help that you were raised to fill superior and because of this complex you fill entitled to say and do whatever you choose to hurt people.  True Americans in the real America will not allow you to do that.  You are pissed beause I exposed your racism.    

    Ms. jennyjen Said: Oh and in regards to my friends, get fucked! They know I’m proud of being from the South and they are too! Heritage- not hate.

    Answer: Unfortunately Ms. Jennyjen, that is not true.  The heritage of the south is the heritage of cold blooded murders.  It’s true.  This type of heritage perpetuates hate and distrust based on security.  In regards to your friends, you might have blacks that work for you … but friends?  Impossible. 

    Ms. jennyjen Said:The only reason I used the term “black” is b/c you force me to. 

    Answer:Yes this is the typical copout of your conservative plantation owning mentality.  I made you use black?  I am sure I’ve made you use that N-Bomb concerning me on several occcasions (smile).  Some have suggested that the N Word can be traced to the Amharic word Negus which means king.  I’m not saying I am a King, but I sure appreciate the complement (smile). 

     But Ms. Jennyjen, know one can make you do anything. 

    I am all for freedom of speech, but you don’t have the right to use the N-Word, you don’t have the right to defame people with you speech.  This might be analogous to, you have the right to throw a punch, but your rights end where another person nose begins.  The problems with self-serving race driven conservatives like yourself is that the only thing they conserve is themselves.  But this is a country by the people. 

     

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    @Alonzo:
    Wild claim #1: “But more people believe he [Obama] will be the greatest president in American History.”

    “more people” as in raacists who are voting for him simply because he’s black? or maybe those who pay no attention to the news and care nothing about his radical ties, his Marxist viewpoints, his “do nothing” energy policy, his tax and spend policies, his vision for a socialist America? Those people? Or maybe your speaking of the far left idiots who play into his ability to articulate from a teleprompter, yet ignore how he stumbles through every sentence when asked to speak without one?

    Wild claim #2:
    “I never said you did not have a right to tell any lie you choose … “
    and then you said:
    “you don’t have the right to defame people with your speech”
    So which is it? I don’t know what country you live in, but in America, we have EVERY right “defame” as you call it, and we have every right to pound liberal idiocy into the ground.

    Wild claim #3:
    “The heritage of the south is the heritage of cold blooded murders.”

    mmm, ok…and that’s not “Raacist” of some kind? lumping everyone from the south as cold blooded murderers?

    Wild Claim #4 and backward comment of the day:
    “I have done that with a collaboration of the evidence. That always pisses conservatives of because they do not want to be confused by the facts.”

    Wrong, liberals are the ones who can’t stand logic and who allow themselves to get emotional about every little thing…”Liberal Logic” is an oxymoron

    Quit playing the holier than thou, and “please don’t get upset” cause you’re contradicting your own points over and over again and I’m sorry to “defame” you, but it’s true.

  • Alonzo

    Good Try:”more people” as in racists who are voting for him simply because he’s black? or maybe those who pay no attention to the news and care nothing about his radical ties, his Marxist viewpoints, his “do nothing” energy policy, his tax and spend policies, his vision for a socialist America? Those people? Or maybe your speaking of the far left idiots who play into his ability to articulate from a teleprompter, yet ignore how he stumbles through every sentence when asked to speak without one?
    The Black Man: Yes I am black, but I make no apologies when that makes insecure people like you spout racist termonology.  Most black people—and white people for that matter– will probably vote for Barack Hussein Obama because they’ve seen poverty first hand and thus agree with at least 7 of his policies:
    (1)   Barack Hussein Obama policy on: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/civilrights/ (Blacks just had their rights to vote extended for 12 years)
    (2)   Barack Hussein Obama policy on: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/defense/ (After all a large majority of blacks serve as patriots in the war.)
    (3)   Barack Hussein Obama policy on: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ (Blacks help build this country and were the catalysts for liberty and justice for all)
    (4)   Barack Hussein Obama policy on: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/ (Most blacks are aware of the importance of education for upward mobility, but are often not affordable the chance … in fact we have only recently admitted that college entrances were many times racist in this GREAT COUNTRY.)
    (5)   Barack Hussein Obama policy on: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/ (It is now admitted that many black men have served sentences when they did not commit the crimes … check out my right up above on DNA releases.  Some of these black men were murdered in the electric chair in this GREAT COUNTRY)
    (6)   Barack Hussein Obama policy on: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/faith/ (Black people are deeply religious but realize how they were unfairly treated by their white counter parts … this was also the reason for many black churches.  Originally they wanted to worship with their white brothers but were not allowed, see: Black Baptist, AME, etc. 
    (7)   Barack Hussein Obama policy on: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/ (Many blacks who are impoverished do not have health care.)
    There are more policies, but I will not continue to confuse you with the facts. 
    Infidelesto Good Try: “I never said you did not have a right to tell any lie you choose … “and then you said:”you don’t have the right to defame people with your speech”
    So which is it? I don’t know what country you live in, but in America, we have EVERY right “defame” as you call it, and we have every right to pound liberal idiocy into the ground.
    A Black Man: That is why we liberals kick your tail in court.  You do not have the right to defame people without reprisal.  You have the right to punch, but your rights end where another person nose begins.
    Infidelesto Good Try:”The heritage of the south is the heritage of cold blooded murders.”mmm, ok…and that’s not “Raacist” of some kind? lumping everyone from the south as cold blooded murderers?
    A Black Man: No it is not racist by definition, it might be wrong but not racist.  Anyway, its not wrong, the heritage of the south is the heritage of cold blooded murders.  That is true.  But there is a greater story.  I suggest you check out the story of the Maroons, where blacks and whites banded together to help each other in the spirit of love.  Oh My, I am getting excited … this is a story that you conservative slave masters want Americans to forget.  YES! John Browns body lays a smoldering in the grave but his truth goes marching on.  Opps There it Is! 
    Infidelesto Good Try:Wrong, liberals are the ones who can’t stand logic and who allow themselves to get emotional about every little thing…”Liberal Logic” is an oxymoron
    A Black Man: Oxymoron?  GOOD WORD … thanks for your opinion, next I would like 2 facts.  As a conservative I know your getting pissed off because you are entitled to this country.  After all, you see me as your slave (smile).  But guess again!
    Infidelesto Good Try: Quit playing the holier than thou, and “please don’t get upset” cause you’re contradicting your own points over and over again and I’m sorry to “defame” you, but it’s true.
    A Black Man: It is not proverbial for conservatives to defame something they don’t understand.  Because after all the plantation owners knew everything.  That is why your people lost the war!  Now who is pissed? (Smile

  • Alonzo

    There are so many way insecure conservatives try to tear Jeremiah Wright appart … don’t you ever wonder why they consistenly failed.  Well because most of it was made up.  Much like Obama’s terrorist training elementary school.  Conservatives just made it up. 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright

    Also, Obama does have radical ties. You are right … and some of his ties are down right embarrassing.  I hope he can get them in a drawer and move forward.  When you see the ties relating to him—it what everyone says–they are about  color and not substance.  See the video tape below that exposes the horrible ties that Obama has.    Thank you for exposing this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?emb=0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3DObama+political+ties&v=ut3OKJy7iYQ

  • http://www.debatepolitics.com/bias-media/34962-study-media-covered-up-rev-wright-s-extremism.html#post1057702455 Study: Media Covered Up Rev. Wright’s Extremism – Debate Politics Forums

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  • jennyjen

    Alonzo, Do you pay attention to any of the other posts on this blog or do you just have this one bookmarked? We (the IAC crew) dis Obamalamadingdong on many other posts yet you just appear on this one-bitchin, moanin, and whinin about slavery. Do you have a Delorian? You could go back in time and right all the wrongs-but you don’t so why waste your energy arguing the evils of slavery? I believe we are all on the same page- IT WAS WRONG, SHOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED BUT IT DID! ALL WE CAN DO IS LEARN FROM HISTORY SO THAT IT DOES NOT REPEAT ITSELF! CAN YOU GET OVER YOURSELF?
    As far as you calling me a racist- well, I’ve been called worse by better so I could give 2 shits and a fuck what a libitard like you thinks of me and the great Southern heritage with which I was raised. It’s called Southern Hospitality, Yankees and Liberals know nothing of it but it is practiced by good Southern folks, regardless of race.
    Cold-Blooded Murderers you say??? Not anymore cold-blooded that any other person ready and willin to kill for a belief, right?? I will straight up go to war with any man or force that tries to take away my basic freedoms and so would you.
    OH, and Barry O does not represent me, he represents the elitists and the liberals to which I will not be associated with. Kal claims he is of Waffle House fame (LMFAO) and the latest polls say he’s trailing McCain!!!! 
    And in conclusion- thanks for playing along asshole :)

  • Alonzo

    jennyjen:  
      
    I am from the south!  So I know the evils of Southern Hospitality.  I am so ashamed that you are an American. Why do you people hate us so bad!  You think I don’t know what you are saying as it relates  to Southern Hospitality.  Southern Hospitality applied to good clean white people not to the black slaves who you consider dirty and low down.  I am sorry that you feel that way about us, but as a liberal I will continue to love you for Christ sake.  As for me I will just stay in America and perhaps I can run long enough before you lynch me.  Yet I would never hurt you mentally, physically or spiritually.  That is what Obama taught me.  You think I don’t know what you mean … Southern Hospitality was made possible by slaves. When you denounce slavery and the slave masters who engineered it, I will believe you are against slavery.  But you can’t because it serves your basic premise that you are superior. 

  • Alonzo

    False Conservative Attack Claim: None of the Big Three aired any of Wright’s 2003 sermon accusing the federal government of hiding the truth about their “inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color,” and all three “mostly ignored” his remarks calling the 9/11 attacks “America’s chickens coming home to roost.”

    False Conservative Attack Claim: Rev. Wright is a former Muslim. Corrections: Come on People just because the racist television program to include the hate mongering Hannity and Bill O’reilly claim something, does not make it so. 1.

    PASTORS ARE CHARGED TO BE PRO GOD AND ANTI EVERYTHING THAT IS AGAINST GOD: None of the big three aired Rev. Wright’s sermons because a pastors job is to shake up things especially if he thinks the truth is being suppressed. There is a long tradition in the African American church of shaking things up and suggesting conspiracies that were discovered to be true (Check out 2 Timothy 4 for the Job of a pastor). Pastors don’t care about being political, unless they are really not pastors. Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;

  • jennyjen

    Superior, I think not. That’s just fuckin low down and dirty. I have never said that and it’s just wrong to judge me on your experience with white folk that are racist. And hate you, I don’t hate you, wtf? Where did that come from? Thanks for passing judgement on me tho- Now, I don’t have to wait for God to do it.
    Don’t worry Alonzo, I’m in my late 20′s, never been in on a lynch mob, never owned a slave and I’ve never judged a person by the color of thier skin, just the content of thier character.
    Southern Hospitality is basically good manners. Treat others as you would want to be treated. Respect your elders and always look a person in the eye when you speak to them. If someone shows you or your family disrespect, well, “thems fightin words”.
    I’ve visited the North a few times, didn’t care for it. The people I encountered assumed I was stupid because I have a heavy southern accent and acted as if they were better than me. Kinda made me wanna take them snipe hunting.
    Denounce my family, why? Because they were wrong in a time when everyone else was too? The only reason I know anything about it is because my dads snobby ass sister wanted to trace our family history- I’m also related to Jack Daniels. A man who’s whiskey fuels wifebeaters across the country so now I guess I’m pro-wifebeating too if we follow your logic?!?!?
    Damn dude, I got other shit to do- Deuces!

  • http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/will_smith.jpg Alonzo

     
    Jennyjen,
     
    This is an example of Southern Hospitality: http://www.thehebrewsofzion.com/images/duluth-lynching.jpg No THANKS!  People like you are what makes aspects of  America bad, very bad to the core.
     
    This is my last comment against you.  Obama taught us that people are the way they are because it is the environment that they came out of.  You just proved that he was wrong.  You are the way you are as a choice against one of the families of man.  You should be aware that as a Christian you are to be a blessing to all the families of man.  But I am kidding myself.  After all the Klu Klux Klan considers themselves Christian and perpetuators of Southern Hospitality (much like you).  I am from the south, there is no way I am going to listen to you give me a lecture on the southerners and their small town hospitality.  I know those small town people are some of the most arrogant and hatful people on earth.   I would challenge anyone to find a southerner who is not truly racist.  There are some southerners who are OK people … but my God … but most  sound like Miss Jennyjen.  
     
    Jennyjen proud racist quotes:
    ·         “my great-great-great grandfather owned a tobacco plantation pre-civil war and he had close to 500 slaves- in no way am I proud, but in the same aspect-I’m not ashamed either.  He was a successful man and he was just rolling with the law of the land at the time.”  (Thus racism is justified in not being too critical of evil.)
    ·         “And slavery was a trade, which meant somebody on the other end was making money off selling brothers and sisters to us, the white devils. (SAD BUT TRUE!)”  (Lets just say it was true, the people who were selling were not Christians. Whites were Christians at the time, so I guess that really makes them devils.)   
    ·         “My long gone family had a tobacco plantation in Southern Kentucky and it was profitable to own slaves-making a profit is good business.”  (Draw your own conclusions about Jennyjen … my conclusion is that she is anti-American.  Making a profit off people is bad business as it relates to morality.)
    ·         “I won’t vote for Obama because his old lady scares the hell out of me.” (She would not treat you the way you’ve treated us nor would she expose the covert racism you’ve exposed on this board.)
    ·         “I get cracker comments all the time, so when I drop the n-bomb, you can believe I mean it in its truest form…” (No one that called you Cracker ever did this http://www.ngbiwm.com/Exhibits/Lynching%20in%20the%20United%20States%20-%20Wikipedia,%20the%20free%20encyclopedia_files/300px-Lynching-of-lige-daniels.jpg)
    ·         “The white male suffers the most discrimination in the US today.”  (That will be true when his race  needs DNA testing to get them out of prison when they never committed a crime.)
    ·         I don’t like to divide people/countries by color but I am forced to because of groups like the NAACP, ACLU, Rev. Wrights church and others hell bent on keeping this country from being united, under GOD. (Those groups were formed because the world was divided by color.)
    ·         I absolutely refuse to watch that 20/20 bullshit until they release a documentary on “Being White in America”.  (They have released Bush and Regan played it often during their time in office.)
    ·         “Liberals have to have racism to survive-even if that means they must perpetuate it themselves.”  (There is no such thing as the race card…it’s all over the table … I use to live in the south, remember!)
    ·         “I realize that many Americans are still racists, that’s just a hard fact that we all have to live with.”  (But we don’t have to condone it as you have.)
    ·         “And not all slave owners tortured slaves like you imply. Sure, that’s the shit that gets published because it’s what sells.”  (It happened and it was evil. If you admit that it happened I would get over it.  But you will never admit that the slave trade represented the murder of over 100 million Africans … the worse holocaust in human history. 
    ·         “I don’t believe over correcting the future can do a damn thing about the past!”  (All blacks are saying is that we cannot say it wasn’t that bad.  It was bad … these were cold blooded murderers. )
     
     
     

  • http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/will_smith.jpg Alonzo

    Jennyjen Said: I believe we are all on the same page- IT WAS WRONG, SHOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED BUT IT DID! ALL WE CAN DO IS LEARN FROM HISTORY SO THAT IT DOES NOT REPEAT ITSELF! CAN YOU GET OVER YOURSELF?

    Comment: No … we need to engage in a lot of corrections … but why do that, after all, you and your family have benefited from the broken backs of slaves in fact, most conservatives have. 
    the Slave trade resulted in Jim Crow
    The Slave Trade Resulted in Discrimination
    The Slave Trade Resulted in African American Towns being destroyed The Slave Trade Resulted in Blacks being classified as Sub-Human. 
    The Slave trade supported the Economic Depravity of blacks

    The Slave Trade created lynchings
    The slave trade allowed New Orleans to be destroyed by Katrina. 
    The Slave Trade created you and people like you.
    You See: The slave trade taught people like you that they are superior and have the right to discriminate against all that do not glory in your idea of whiteness … I mean America.  Congratulations … you lynched another black man, I am sure you can hear me gurgle on blood as the life leaves my body.  I can certainly hear your laughter.  Congratulations, you won!   

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    I have always said we should have kept the Indians, the nice wolves, and the buffalo.  It would have been better to have Left the slaves where they belonged as they didn’t want to work for a living.  Even the slave parents sold their own children into slavery to get money, so they have no one to blame but themselves.  No one need ever feel guilty for the past, forget it . . . you can’t change it or erase it.  Quit whining about this slavery trash and do something about what you can make a difference  with.  Hey it’s over and done with, finished so Alonzo shut up, you are worthless talk and a worthless person. that no one is interested in here.  You are right – we have won!  Jennyjen and the other true blues on this site – sweet dreams of NOT having Obama as Prez, but YES having John McCain as President 2008.
    I thank God in Christ for this everyday and night.

  • Tonto (USA)

    Alonzo, You seem to be having a serious problem getting your head out of your ass.  Maybe I can help. 
    The “Big Three” NBC, ABC and CBS have obviously chosen Obamasiah as THEIR candidate.  They are so blatant about the bias toward him, it’s almost like worship.  The numbers of positive, and sometimes inaccurate, hosannas they’ve showered on Obamalamadingdong far outweigh the negative stories they’ve aired.  The McCain bashing I saw the other night on MBNBC was almost hysterically hateful.  Would the mention a huge negative like pastor Wright?  Not if they could help it.  Did Wright say the things he did?  Fuckin’ A pedro.  Was Wright full of shit.  Another pos on that one too.  Was Wright a muslim?  Who cares?  He’s a racist preacher who claims to be Christian now, and that’s all I care about.  A flaming asshole like that could claim to be almost anything.
      I live in the South now, but I’m from Detroit.  And let me tell you little boy, you don’t know shit about racism.  The worst racists in the country are from the North….and they’re BLACK.  They live, breathe and bleed racism!  They use racism like a club to beat the white world into submission. In Detroit it’s “In your face” all day long. The South experiences nothing like it.  Blacks are treated with the same respect that anyone else is here, but Southerners are not all that liberal  and they won’t put up with the disrespect you see daily up North.  People are polite, civil and neighborly here, regardless of color or whatever….and that does NOT happen all that much in the North….I know!  So don’t try running your bullshit game on me boy, it won’t fly.  Liberals are laughable snobs, elitists and racists in this country, and Yankee libs are the best example of that.  I remember when they started MLK holiday and the question in the plant was: “How many more we gotta whack to get a whole week?”  They talk the talk but DAMNSURE don’t walk the walk.  So stick it, kid.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Well Tonto, once again you nailed it, AOK!  Flaming is the best description of BHO’S Uncle Wright and Flaming Father Flakie.  What a bunch of queers that Obama thinks should be allowed to adopt kids.  Poor abandoned kids, just throw them to the libs to screw, unless you can kill them in a live abortion first.  After all what does it matter? What does anything matter with the Obamanation.  Anything goes as long as it’s ALL ABOUT OBAMA!
    NO NO NO – YOU CAN JUST STICK IT OBAMA! 

    PS: EXCUSE ME, I MEANT BS:
    NO ONE LIKES BIDEN ANY MORE THAN OBAMA, so we are all ‘biden’ our time until MCCAIN WHIPS @$$ and takes names.  COOL!

  • http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/will_smith.jpg Alonzo

    Tonto Said: “The “Big Three” NBC, ABC and CBS have obviously chosen Obamasiah as THEIR candidate.” 
    Alonzo Said: NBC, ABC and CBS,  All have friends and family members who died in this ridiculous war that was waged for conservative gains.  NBC, ABC and CBS don’t want to see another conservative idiotic 4 years:
    Problem: Poverty
    There are 4.9 million more Americans living in poverty today than there were in 2000. [EPI]
    Problem: Bankruptcies
    603,139 Americans filed for bankruptcy in the first three quarters of 2007, a 40 percent increase over the same period in 2006. [American Bankruptcy Institute] [Consumer Affairs]
    Problem: Foreclosures
    In the third quarter of 2007, there were 635,159 foreclosure filings in the United States. That’s one foreclosure filing for every 196 U.S. households. That’s 100 percent more than in the same period of 2006. [Daily Herald]
    Problem: Starvation
    According to the USDA, the number of hungry families in the United States rose 26 percent between 2001 and 2006. Worse, the number of families with the least access to enough food rose 32 percent. That’s 1.3 million American families, not including the homeless. [USDA]
    Problem: Iraq Reconstruction in Shambles
    Despite spending $488 billion (so far) on the Iraq war, many of the U.S.-led reconstruction projects in Iraq, fraught with corruption, security problems, and inept contractors, “have been abandoned, delayed or poorly constructed.” Hospitals, prisons, and police training centers were all abandoned, while the guard-house for the U.S. Embassy became such a toxic fire hazard that officials had to evacuate everyone who tried to move in. [Boston Globe] [International Herald Tribune] [National Priorities Project]
    Problem: Government in Bed with Drug Companies
    An independent report found that from October 2005 to December 2006, “Food and Drug Administration officials met 112 times with industry representatives but only five times with consumer and patient groups.” According to Representative Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), “the FDA has essentially become the government affairs office of the pharmaceutical industry.”
    [USA Today]

  • Alonzo

    carolyne  andTonto, 

    What you guys say about slavery makes perfect sense until you weigh it against the evidence then it comes up the way Americans see John McCain…very lacking!  Is everyone on this site a racist! WOW … so small town America is a lot more bitter than we thought.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
     

    Alonzo Said: By the way you guys, if you saw me on the street you would think I was white I have blue eyes and my hair is blond.  I am from New Orleans, I am what they refer to as Creole … but I am really black.  The only reason I don’t look black is because someone raped my great grandmother.   Perhaps you guys should read the book “Alienable Rights  The Exclusion of the Black man in a White Mans Land from 1600 to 200.” http://books.google.com/books?id=e9UJ1kqotOYC&dq=Alienable+rights&pg=PP1&ots=yZPIMqJqHN&sig=tYlEvGFjlX54dpWVut1sE_QseB4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result …  By the way, it was written my two white scholars …NUFF SAID!   

  • Tonto (USA)

    So that’s it?  You just run your mouth for so long you think you’ve won something?  Interesting libtard strategy.  As has been said, “Liberals know so much that is wrong”.  Keep blathering on kid.  Maybe you’ll even convince someone that you actually have a wit or two.  I’m still skeptical.  The bottom line is, I’ve worked hard all my life for what small stuff I have.  I will be the one who chooses what I will be willing to give away and to whom.  I don’t need some liberal fool choosing for me, or grabbing my sustenance and giving it to those I feel are undeserving or my enemies.  If you, personally feel that you want to do a Saint Francis, have at it.  Leave my tax money alone.  Hell, leave my money alone.  When you have given away all you own to your “worthy causes”, call me .  We’ll do lunch.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Great Tonto – ditto!  Nuff Said! 
    I’ll have lunch with you anytime, my treat!  I’m not rich except in my family and spiritually speaking my God, although I do own a pink pearl semi-automatic and I will use it if given any trouble.  So I do cling to my God (the one true God in Heaven & in Christ my saviour) and my gun, but God gives me the victory in Christ and that is why McCain will be President.
    What ever John McCain has he deserves, he paid a price and deserves to be President.  Bitter Obama does NOT and looks like Obama not only has a bitter half but a bitter running mate named Biden, that is a perfect example of liar of the first order. Neither one of those two vultures (Biden or Obama) have a right to say anything about anyone, they are the most ego dirt bags, I’ve ever witnessed. 
    What’s the big gaffe according to Biden’s big boring speech?
    We now are a (BARRACK AMERICA) ??? NO NO NO . . . we’re  NOT! 
    NEVER IN OBAMA’S MUSLIM FATHER’S DREAMS!  Those two are fools, and fooling themselves.  Obama got his house through Rezco a convicted felon.  Well Well, ‘the pot calling the kettle black,’ which is a perfect description of the Obama’s and Biden’s.  Shame on them, and this will come back to haunt them.

  • Kal

    Why is it that the only time anyone complains about slavery, it is when white people do it? Why do we hear NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING from blacks about the blacks made slaves in Africa and the Arab world, which is ONGOING? Why do we not hear a peep out of anyone about the way the Arab world treats Indonesians, Philipinos, Bangladeshi’s and Pakistani, among others as slaves in the middle east? Oh yeah, because arabs don’t care and will kill them. Dumbass white folks like Biden, Dean, Clinton and others whimper and offer handouts.

    My ancestor’s were slaves, to the Spanish, in what is now Mexico. Not once have I felt the need to bitch about it, and ask Spain for “reparations”. And of course the Mexicans today, treat the Tarahumara indians like dirt, and no one notices. I was born in the US, and from nothing, have worked my way up to where I enjoy a very comfortable standard of living. No one gave me a handout, I didn’t use welfare, or any socialist handout program the Clintons forced on us in the 90′s that B Hussein Obama wants to increase and add to. I did it through WORK. Slavery is part of human history. Who built the pyramids in Egypt? SLAVES. Who built the Pyramids in Mexico (Aztec) and South America (Inca)? SLAVES. Who sold the majority of the slaves the Colonists brought to the Americas? AFRICANS, and ARABS. But no one dares ask them for reparations. One, because the Arabs would likely kill them if they did, two because Africa has run itself into the gutter.

  • Alonzo

    Comment by Tonto (USA) on 23 August 2008:The bottom line is, I’ve worked hard all my life for what small stuff I have.  I will be the one who chooses what I will be willing to give away and to whom.  I don’t need some liberal fool choosing for me, or grabbing my sustenance and giving it to those I feel are undeserving or my enemies. 
     
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: Tonto you are so right.  Just one point, keep what is yours just don’t take what is mine.  Self-serving people like you have done that so often in the past.  You have stood on the backs of hard working people and then claimed it was yours.   You throw a rock and hid your hand.  Check out your friend jennyjen. 
     
    Comment by carolyne on 24 August 2008:So I do cling to my God (the one true God in Heaven & in Christ my saviour) and my gun, but God gives me the victory in Christ and that is why McCain will be President.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: My mom said that here and her family would walk by white churches and hear them praising God.  She asked herself, how they could call out to Christ the way they treat us. Dr. Walter Marin, a famous theologian, once said,  Just because you say Lord, Lord does not make you a Chrisitan no more than going to McDonalds makes you a big Mac.  Cling to your guns; I understand how insecurity does that.
    Comment by Kal on 24 August 2008:Why is it that the only time anyone complains about slavery, it is when white people do it? Why do we hear NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING from blacks about the blacks made slaves in Africa and the Arab world, which is ONGOING?
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: Every Black Scholar of Ancient history from Cheikh Anta Diop (29 December 1923–7 February 1986) was a Senegalese historian, anthropologist, physicist and politician to Chancellor Williams  spoke out on this issue http://books.google.com/books?id=NWXwGAmIJ60C&dq=inauthor:Chancellor+inauthor:Williams&pgis=1 .  Please read the Book, the Destruction of Black Civilization.  He makes it plain that the early Christian kingdoms in Africa located in the country of Nubia: Alwa, Nobadia and Makuria were eventually conquered by Muslims and enslaved.  In fact, I am writing a 10 books on this subject. I actually debated Dr. Kalid Mohuammid on this issue.  If you will remember he was the national spokesman for the nation of Islam.  
     

  • Alonzo

    Comment by Kal on 24 August 2008: My ancestor’s were slaves, to the Spanish, in what is now Mexico. Not once have I felt the need to bitch about it, and ask Spain for “reparations”.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: You ancestors were slaves to the Spanish?  Really? How did your slavery end?  When you discover that, you will see why reparation would not be in order.  In fact the Government—which you eventually became—never promised you anything.    
    Comment by Kal on 24 August 2008:: And of course the Mexicans today, treat the Tarahumara indians like dirt, and no one notices.   
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  WE have spoke out about this, but he Mexicans tell us to mind our own business.  We ignore them and continue to speak out.
     
    Comment by Kal on 24 August 2008:: I was born in the US, and from nothing, have worked my way up to where I enjoy a very comfortable standard of living. No one gave me a handout, I didn’t use welfare, or any socialist handout program the Clintons forced on us in the 90’s that B Hussein Obama wants to increase and add to. I did it through WORK.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  If you made it because people were willing to work with you.  The problem is people are not willing to work with all of us.  A large majority of Americans work hard and yet people like you who have forgotten where they came from use people like that. 
    Comment by Kal on 24 August 2008::Slavery is part of human history.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  Don’t be a jerk … the holocaust is also a part of human history, but the Germans have made amends for it. 
    Comment by Kal on 24 August 2008::Who built the pyramids in Egypt? SLAVES.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  Contrary to some popular depictions, the pyramid builders were not slaves or foreigners. (See: National Geographic — http://www.nationalgeographic.com/pyramids/pyramids.html  )
    Comment by Kal on 24 August 2008::Who built the Pyramids in Mexico (Aztec) and South America (Inca)? SLAVES.
     ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  There is no historical evidence for this claim.  It is likely that the Aztec’s were brilliant people.  Ivan Van Sertermer a historian at the at the Smithsonian says that the pyramids were built on a south east access the same as the Pyramids in Africa.  It is likely that the Mexican Pyramids were built by brilliant scholars.
    Comment by Kal on 24 August 2008::Who sold the majority of the slaves the Colonists brought to the Americas? AFRICANS, and ARABS.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: Wrong! Yes Most racist people make this claim to feel better about their ancestors, but it is a lie!  Most of the slaves were kidnapped by slave hunters.  When the chieftains understood what was happening with their prisoners of war they caught off all ties with Europeans.  See Nizinga and the Cambridge Encyclopedia on Africa http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Encyclopedia-Africa-World-Encyclopedias/dp/0521230969. Also Read: http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/30/145.html
    Comment by Kal on 24 August 2008:: Africa has run itself into the gutter.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: Africa has not run itself into the gutter … colonialism has trained a generation of killers through pain and suffering.  It continues in America the beautiful. 
     

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Listen to  Reverend Manning, The Trinity of Hell.  Just type in Rev. Manning, hit search and it will come up – that is an ear full. 
    NOT GOOD ON OPRAH, OBAMA, WRIGHT!  IMO Rev. Manning has some revelation on the matter of Trinity Church, Obama and Oprah.   No doubt they are all trying to save themselves from US (the American People) finding this out.  So they have had to distance themselves for NOW.   Otherwise it would look like what it is.
    IT IS WHAT IT IS!

  • Alonzo

     
    I love you racist type KKK.  At least I know I should try to get you out of my country or show you a lot of love so you don’t hurt us anymore.  You say we should get over slavery … when do you suggest we get over lynchings.  The last reported Lynching by white people was in the 1980′s.  Check out the beautiful pictures of your work in this Great Country:
    http://www.executedtoday.com/images/Michael_Donald_lynched.jpg
    http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g_l/lynching/lynch_01.jpg
    http://agitprop.typepad.com/agitprop/images/lynching.jpg
    http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/kkk_lynching1.jpg
    http://dallassouthblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/lynching-in-america_florida-1935.jpg
    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2097/2012273583_420ef8c5ea.jpg?v=0
    http://site-images.ws/images/cust/35372/LYNCH-2.bmp
    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14977/14977-h/images/gs100th.png

  • Alonzo

    Comment by carolyne on 24 August 2008:Listen to  Reverend Manning, The Trinity of Hell.  Just type in Rev. Manning, hit search and it will come up – that is an ear full.  Manning has some revelation on the matter of Trinity Church, Obama and Oprah.   

    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: man you Racist will try anything to prove your point!  But come on, even this is low for you. A black muslim leader endorsing Obama that Obama refuses to acknowledge.And a black (religion?) preacher condemning Obama in a manner that I am sure John McCain would not approve of.
    Do people actually listen and act on this crap being spewed?

  • http://tangentspace.net/cz Alex

    Kal, I don’t know what your sources of news and social commentary are, but I’ve noticed (American) mainstream and conservative news sources don’t spend much time talking about happenings in other countries other than how they relate to the US, so slavery in other countries isn’t going to be covered in those venues very often.

    Also, it seems logical that most discussions of slavery in the US primarily concern the most prevalent type of slavery that occurred *in the US* … does that answer your question?

  • jennyjen

    Obama In Berlin:
    As Paul Harvey would say, “The Rest of the Story.”
    This is something the American New Media seem to have left out. How do you attract 200,000 Germans to an American presidential candidate’s campaign rally in Berlin?
    A. With the charisma and reputation of the candidate?
    B. With a compelling political message?
    C. With lots of advance advertising?
    D. With the top two rock bands in Germany giving a free concert with the American candidate coming out for a short speech between the bands?
    “D” of course.
    What the American media following and fawning over Obama failed to mention about his Berlin speech was why the crowds were really there. 95% of them could care less about Obama or American politics. They came to see a free concert with the German equivalents of Willy Nelson and Madonna headlining. Obama was an unwelcome and boring interruption giving a political speech in a foreign language between the acts – which is why the crowd only gave lame applause a couple of times – after all, how many of them spoke English or cared less?
    Obama didn’t care about the crowd either. His speech was really for the American media and the crowd was a backdrop for the photo ops. And the American media bit on it hook line and sinker and just sorta, kinda forgot to mention the rock bands that really drew the crowds. France saw the 200,000 Germans and surrendered again.
    On another note. Someone did the math on Obama the Senator. He has only been a Senator for 18 months. But with all the recesses, four day weekends, campaigning and absences, Obama has only spent about 6 weeks of workdays on the Senate floor as one of the most junior Senators. Most of his votes, about 80% when he was not absent, have been “present” or “abstain”. He also chairs a committee that has never met because the chairman has never called a meeting. As a trial lawyer he only tried 14 cases in court – and minor ones at that. As a “community organizer” his major cause was getting the asbestos out of a housing project. After 2 years of trying the asbestos was still there when he left and is still there even now that he is a Senator and presumably has some pull to get things done. That’s it. His entire real world work resume. 6 weeks work in the Senate with nothing to show for it. Two years as a lawyer and only 14 minor trials. And two years as a “community organizer” with nothing accomplished.
    And he thinks he can be the leader of the free world- I say shenanigans sir!

  • jennyjen

    Oh yeah, I have to issue an apology to all Whiskey drinkers..my bad. Not all wife beaters drink whiskey (see Islam), not all whiskey drinkers are wife beaters but some whiskey drinkers do beat their wives. Sorry if I offended any whiskey drinkers- meet me at the Mallard Club and I’ll buy you a drink.
    And Alonzo, please get that chip off your shoulder. I’m not a racist and I don’t condone racism or slavery. But if you have to call me a racist to sleep at night…so be it-it won’t disturb my slumber.
    Sticks and muthafuckin Stones…..

  • Alonzo

    I spend most of my time correcting the misperceptions on this site.  Here are two:

    (1) Most Europeans speak English.  In fact, most white Europeans speak approximately 3 languages.  This does not include England which has the same superiority complex that American Whites do.

    (2) If you will lisen to the European crowds you will hear them chanting “Obama” and “Yes We Can.”  Perhaps you forgot how excited they were: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-9ry38AhbU.  The people of Europe welcomed him.  Check out he Speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ylvniRiCFU&feature=related .  This guy is giving it his all. 

    (3) If you look at the speech, you will see he is talking to the Germans and pissing White America off.  I don’t think he wanted to piss off white America, but it’s just how bad you hate this guy.  You hate him so bad you will make stuff up … you do it all the time e.g. he is a mulsim.  Come on people.  

    (4) Stop Making Stuff Up:
    Aug. 25 (Bloomberg) — Germans overwhelmingly back Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama over Republican contender John McCain, a poll showed, though a majority said the U.S. election outcome won’t affect relations with Europe.
    Seventy-four percent of Germans say they would prefer Obama as president, with only 11 percent supporting McCain, according to the Forsa survey for N-TV and Die Welt newspaper. Among Germans under 30 years old, 84 percent said they back the Democratic senator from Illinois.
    Obama boosted his popularity in Germany last month when he delivered a speech in Berlin’s central Tiergarten park that drew some 200,000 people. Germans also favor positions held by Obama such as his opposition to the Iraq war, combating global warming and greater engagement with European allies.
    Democrats open their four-day national convention in Denver today leading up to Obama’s formal nomination Aug. 28. Obama on Aug. 23 chose as his running mate Delaware Senator Joseph Biden, a Democratic expert in foreign policy.
    Still, 56 percent of those surveyed said that they felt the results of the presidential election in November won’t affect Washington’s relationship with Europe or with Germany. Thirty- eight percent said they thought it would, according to the poll.
    Obama has 88 percent support among backers of the Social Democratic Party, the coalition partner of Chancellor Angela Merkel‘s Christian Democratic Union. Among Green Party voters, Obama has 84 percent support, and 87 percent among Left Party backers. The poll didn’t give any figure for support among Christian Democrat voters.
    Seventy-two percent of those polled said Obama’s message of change was more important that McCain’s political experience. Nineteen percent said McCain’s experience was decisive.
    Forsa surveyed 1,009 people on Aug. 20-21. No margin of error was given.
    To contact the reporter on this story: Patrick Donahue in Berlin at at pdonahue1@bloomberg.net.
    But who cares, Europeans would never elect a Black President.
     

  • Tonto (USA)

    Alonzo,   I haven’t taken anything from anybody yet that didn’t try to take mine first.  Try taking mine and I get instantly, incredibly, crazy-ass, coldly violent.  That’s a throwback to my ancestors to whom “revenge is 4 times 4″.  I made my own, like I said, with hard work, and paid my dues.  “The sweat of my brow”.  I never stepped on or cheated anyone in my life.  Don’t presume to put words on me that are yours, not mine.
        Further, almost every civilization, at one time or other, had slavery in some form.  Most discarded that whole idea as being less than functionally sound (hundreds of years ago) or as a result of slave, peon, serf, kulak revolts.  There is still slavery now, but in very limited, underground, and hidden forms.  They can be found, if you search hard enough, expand the parameters of your definitions, and look in some very unsavory places, usually having to do with “pay for sex”.   Of course, that can lead to “bad things”, both legal or not, just for having the knowledge.  So be careful.  In some places, it’s open and rampant.  Mostly in Africa and the ME.

  • Alonzo

    Tonto tries to make a point about slavery in Africa for obvious reasons of supporting slavery in a Christian Country.  Give it up … read below.  Also Tonto, you don’t get anywhere in this country unless you get some rope  … If you were black, you would get enough rope to hang yourself.  There are more black millionaires now than any other time in history … white you got help Tonto, they did it in spite of their skin, that is the Obama phenomenon.
    1.      Comment by jennyjen on 25 August 2008: I don’t condone racism or slavery. But if you have to call me a racist to sleep at night…so be it-it won’t disturb my slumber.
    Sticks and muthafuckin Stones…..
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: Man you have a mouth like an old sailor! (…I am laughing.)  I did not know white people curse like that.  You may not be racist after all, because racist are a little more subtle … MAN, you are not subtle at all.  Just kidding, I know you are racist and I know as far as you are concerned I am a mongrel.  It doesn’t hurt me anymore the way I am treated once people know what I am, but I know there are millions of little black children as well as their white friends that are hurt at how their black brothers and sisters have been overtly and covertly treated.  The Obama phenomenon is a result of the love whites have in their hearts. You say their love is misguided, Perhaps it is.   The News Media and young Americans are ashamed of how this country has treated its African American Citizens.  In 12 years they will have to resubmit the black right to vote.  You see, we are citizens on loan in this country.  When you think of the black man, think of a Phenomenon I like to call the Frankenstein Syndrome.  I think Mary Shelly was talking about disenfranchised populations … it is a work of genius, because we all have experienced it. 
    Jennyjen, please let me say two things—
    (1)   I am not going to let racist say that Slavery in this country did not matter and should be forgotten.  That is unfair and dishonest.  I will also not allow black people to say all white people supported slavery … most white people in the site hated slavery and hid poor blacks from slave hunters (See: Maroons).  Blacks did not go from black safe house to black safe house, because there were not black safe houses.  Escape slaves went to white folks homes.  It was a felony to hide slaves from their slave masters … yet Christian whites did.  While I know slavery and discrimination relates heavily we cannot surrender to the evils of racism. I tell blacks, “Why would be depend on the benevolence of our slave masters. 
    (2)   The way I determine racist is if they are willing to make things up in order to drive their point about a person of the opposite race.  In addition they are willing down play the racial atrocities of the past and lynch black people for a culture their white ancestors designed.  The final stamp of a hard core racist is that they argue that people simply engaged in slavery because it was the wave of the times and that states should have the right to engaged in acts against humanity.  Anti-semetic people say similar things about the holocaust. 
    (3)   In the Book, “ The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government,” Jefferson Davis suggested “No subject [slavery] has been more generally misunderstood or more persistently misrepresented. But he failed to say it was an Anti-Christ system.  In the book by A.O. Sherrard, Freedom from Fear it says, “The idea of slavery was so deeply ingrained that no one questioned its propriety.  All nations either endured or enjoyed it.”  Yes but Christianity made it wrong.  Since many of the founding fathers were scholars they knew they were being hypocrites by engaging in the practice … yes everyone from Washington to Thomas Jefferson and certainly Benjamin Franklin.  All these men owned slaves, George Washington more than anyone.  Benjamin Franklin eventually became the president of the Anti-Slavery Society.     
     Jennyjen, yes you and your friends are racist.  The beauty in this country is that when I as  a black man was in the military, I was fighting for your right to hate if you want.  Have an awesome day and I hope God continues to bless you.  As long as God bless your people perhaps they won’t think about the mass murder and destruction of my people. 
     
     
     

  • Tonto (USA)

    Alonzo your bias is showing again.  Yippie shit!  We got black millionaires.  Well, we got Native American millionaires, Polish-American millionaires, Chinese-American millionaires, any-body-that-you-can-imagine-millionaires, White millionaires…….so what?  That’s the American Dream.  The Dream is: with hard work, perseverance, and a bit of luck, a person can overcome all resistance and become a millionaire here.  Many have arrived from elsewhere, or came from families that have been here for centuries and “made It” from nothing.  So your point is kinda pointless.
      Slavery seems to matter much to you.  My grandparents escaped slavery when they came here from Europe (3 did anyway) in the early 1900s, where serfdom was still a fact of everyday life.  The other grandparent was taken from her family to be forcibly placed in “whiteman’s school” at Carlisle, Pa.  I don’t give two shits about black slavery in America because nobody from my family had anything to do with that.  Fact is, mexicans and Apaches raided each other for slaves for centuries, but ended up adopting them as family.  Fact is, it was the fucking buffalo sojers (black whitemen)that chased down the Apache and made them go live on reservations.  Right now, blacks are more bigoted and racist then the whites ever where.  Listen to the “revs” like Wright, Jackson or Farrakan…to them, slavery that was over 150 years ago is still an excuse to act like assholes.  Personally, I don’t much care about racism at all.  All I care about is: Who are you really?  And can you and I get along?  Do we have similar beliefs? Can you and I work together for a goal?  Those are the important things…that and a sense of humor that has no boundaries.  I told you not to try to read my mind…..You don’t have the capacity, obviously.  And remember, stupid, it was WHITE MEN  that fought a bloody war so you and yours could be free in the first frickin’ place. When I hear of Jessie etc asking for “reparations for slavery”, I think about how come whites don’t ask for “blood-price for the whites that died freeing the sons of bitches?  These are things that we as Americans SHOULD readily understand but things that no real muslim could accept.  They have been taught to only submit to islam and their form of insanity, and lies and bullshit.  They are encouraged not to think, but to follow muslim instructions from mullahs and their koran and nothing else.  Many who have come to this country came to escape that insane mindset.  Unfortunately for them, it is now seeming to follow them and demand their total loyalty.  And we’re really too tied up in bullshit like comes out of idiots like you to deal with it smartly.

  • Alonzo

    1.      Comment by Tonto (USA) on 25 August 2008:Alonzo your bias is showing again.  Yippie shit!  We got black millionaires.  Well, we got Native American millionaires, Polish-American millionaires, Chinese-American millionaires, any-body-that-you-can-imagine-millionaires, White millionaires…….so what?  That’s the American Dream.  The Dream is: with hard work, perseverance, and a bit of luck, a person can overcome all resistance and become a millionaire here.  Many have arrived from elsewhere, or came from families that have been here for centuries and “made It” from nothing.  So your point is kinda pointless.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  So you think you know about hard work and overcoming?  I don’t think so: (See Black Wall Street: http://www.timbooktu.com/spence/burning.htm)
    I know you think it is pointless.  But see that is exactly my point, you can easily dismiss what I say because you don’t like who I am.  Where as you would be willing to listen to another because it plays into your culture…or what you think is your culture.  I know there are a number of millionaires from different groups but none have made it more against the odds than Blacks.  All the people you mentioned could assimilate into the white culture … all but blacks.  As I said, I have a better time at it because I look white, but I assure you, were it not for the way I look, I would not have been given the chance.  Look at the Rap industry, hell, look at any industry that blacks dominate and you will see whites trying to destroy them.  If you will do your research, blacks have great businesses in America as early as the 1920’s … they were destroyed, some of their cities were destroyed by Air Strikes. 

     Comment by Tonto (USA) on “I don’t give two shits about black slavery in America.”
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: I do care!
     Comment by Tonto (USA) on Because Fact is, mexicans and Apaches raided each other for slaves for centuries, but ended up adopting them as family. 
          ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: Your statement is really not accurate … but lets just say it is.  The Apaches and the Mexicans you are talking about were not Christians.
     
     Comment by Tonto (USA) on: Fact is, it was the fucking buffalo sojers (black whitemen)that chased down the Apache and made them go live on reservations.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: Really, what are your sources I can’t find one that suggest the Buffalo soldiers were a large enough regiment to defeat the Apache. In fact no reputable historian agrees with your claims.  I know that the Apache respected the Buffalo Soldiers as warriors.  
     
      Comment by Tonto (USA) on: Right now, blacks are more bigoted and racist then the whites ever where.  Listen to the “revs” like Wright, Jackson or Farrakan…to them, slavery that was over 150 years ago is still an excuse to act like assholes. 
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: I have already demonstrated that there were atrocities committed after slavery that continue to hurt us today (Did you read the black wall street, that was less than a 150 years ago.  But what is the state of limitation of murder?)
     Comment by Tonto (USA) on: Personally, I don’t much care about racism at all.  All I care about is: Who are you really?  And can you and I get along?  Do we have similar beliefs? Can you and I work together for a goal?  Those are the important things…that and a sense of humor that has no boundaries. 
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: You and I could never get along because you view human pain in suffering as irrelevant to your cause. 
     Comment by Tonto (USA) on: I told you not to try to read my mind…..You don’t have the capacity, obviously.  And remember, stupid, it was WHITE MEN  that fought a bloody war so you and yours could be free in the first frickin’ place.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  There are some that would argue this point.  However I’ve already agreed with this. I am not against white people, never said that.  I am against people like you who love to ignore evil and justify its results.
    Comment by Tonto (USA) on: When I hear of Jessie etc asking for “reparations for slavery”, I think about how come whites don’t ask for “blood-price for the whites that died freeing the sons of bitches? 
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  The answer to your question is simple: Stopping the atrocity is only one dimension of reparation for an inhumane act. 
    Comment by Tonto (USA) on:  These are things that we as Americans SHOULD readily understand but things that no real muslim could accept.  They have been taught to only submit to islam and their form of insanity, and lies and bullshit. 
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  Well about 95% of blacks in this country would say the same about you.  In fact in the 1950’s, 60’s, 70’s many blacks believe that you were taught to submit to cultish form of Christianity that allowed the discrimination of other human beings. 
    Comment by Tonto (USA) on:  They are encouraged not to think, but to follow muslim instructions from mullahs and their koran and nothing else.  Many who have come to this country came to escape that insane mindset.  Unfortunately for them, it is now seeming to follow them and demand their total loyalty.  And we’re really too tied up in bullshit like comes out of idiots like you to deal with it smartly.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  Everything you said in the previous line is wrong and it is the ignorant view that most racist like you have of people.  Most Muslims are not extremis as most white people as I have said before are not racist.  But people like you are dealing with it smartly; you love the division because it supports your claims of superiority. By the way, you called me an idiot?  Well that is exactly what I was thinking about you, but no Obama Knight would show people like you disrespect.    
     

  • Alonzo

    RACIST ALWAYS MISS THE POINT ABOUT SLAVERY. 
    It is not the slavery alone, but you racist did not learn from slavery so you created the
    ·         KKK
    ·         Jim Crow
    ·         Begin Murdering Blacks
    ·         Stole from Them
    ·         Destroyed their Businesses
    ·         Prevented them from Being Educated
    ·         Discrimination
    ·         Segregation  
    Have you forgotten the reason Dr. King Marched?  Have you forgotten that it was you who killed him?  We should never forget the holocaust and we should never forget the horrible atrocities of slavery. 
    None of us can justify killing and harming people.  Whites have a long history of doing this and then saying, well get over it, it happen yesterday, let’s deals with the present.  You cannot deal with the present until you have truly understood and are sorry for the past.  Check out what you guys say about the Iraq War.   There are more black patriots in this war than whites … so be careful.
     

  • THE BLACK MAN ALONZO

    ATROCITIES OF SLAVERY CONTINUE TO THIS DAY: I’LL PROVE IT!

    Tonto and  jennyjen have suggested that blacks are lazy.  Well I have already proven that many black prisoners were innocent and were it not for DNA testing they would have died. Ladies and Gentleman the atrocities of slavery still exist.  You all are very bad people the condone on scrupulous practices against Dark Skinned Americans.  Poor Obama, if they lynched us, what do you think they will do to you: 
    Racial discrimination in America’s justice and law enforcement, health service, employment and occupation is serious, says a report on the Human Rights Record of the United States in 2005 released Thursday by the Information Office of the State Council of China.
    In America, black criminals tend to get heavier penalties than their white counterparts, the report says.
    According to the State of Black America 2005 issued by the National Urban League, blacks who are arrested are three times more likely to be imprisoned than whites once arrested, blacks are sentenced to death four times more often than whites, and a black person’s average jail sentence is six months longer than a white’s for the same crime.
    Although blacks are just 12.2 percent of the American population, 41 percent of American prisoners detained for more than one year are blacks and 8.4 percent of all black men between the ages of 25 and 29 are behind bars.
    According to reports issued by the Human Rights Watch and other organizations, following the Sept. 11 attacks, at least 70 people, all but one Muslim, were held as “material witnesses” under a narrow federal law that permits the arrest and brief detention of “material witnesses”.
    Violent crimes against ethnic minorities have also been increasing in America, says the report.
    According to an FBI report issued in Oct. 2005, of the 9,528 victims of hate crimes in 2004, 53.8 percent were victims of racial prejudice, and 67.9 percent were blacks. Among the hate crime offenders, 60.6 percent were whites.
    Statistics show blacks are twenty times more likely than whites to be a victim of hate crimes. In Los Angeles, 56 percent of hate crimes were targeted at blacks.
    More than 80,000 American blacks die annually due to lack of health insurance and the mortality rate of middle-aged black males is twice that of the same white group, says the report.
    The uninsured rate was 19.7 percent for blacks and 32.7 percent for Hispanics, that is to say nearly one of every three Hispanics in America had no health insurance, it says.
    According to a report of the U.S. Department of Labor, in November 2005 the black unemployment rate was 10.6 percent, compared with the white unemployment rate at 4.3 percent.
    Black male earnings are 70 percent of white males and black females earnings 83 percent of their white counterparts. At the same time, ethnic minorities are often kept away from high-end occupations, the report says.
    The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission quoted a report as saying that the employment discrimination rate was 31 percent for Asians and 26 percent for African Americans, and the discrimination against Muslims doubled after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
    According to The State of Black America 2005, the income level of African American families is only one-tenth of that of white families, and the welfare enjoyed by black Americans is only three-fourths of their white counterparts.
    In 2004, the poverty rate was 24.7 percent for African Americans, 21.9 percent for Hispanics, and 8.6 percent for non-Hispanic whites, the report says.

  • Tonto (USA)

    Alonzo, give it up.  None of any of that stuff ever happened to you.  Plenty of blacks, orientals, whites, indians, and middle east persons have been and are successful in the USA without referencing all the crap from the past.  All they did was knuckled down and went to work….hard.  The adapted to the society and that’s the key.
    The stuff about Apaches is true.  10th cav under Crook was the outfit that finally ran down Geronimo, and they were black troops…….get some history lessons.  Black Jack Pershing was also involved later.  That’s why they called him Black Jack.  Apaches respected but hated them.  Mexicans took hundreds of Apache slaves, and Apaches took hundreds of mexican children as replacements……and they were adopted as Apache.  That’s history.

  • jennyjen

    Alonzo, so you can quote stats, wonderful. Now share them with someone that can change them…like the incarcerated and unemployed. If you don’t like where you’re at, you can point a finger at the people you think got you there or you can realize that you’re the product of you’re own design.
    Anyways….I’ve re-read some of your postings and I realized that you think I’m some kind of southern belle type person- that would be a big NO on that. From the time I was 8 til I graduated college I had to work in my dad’s cotton fields. Planting, fertilizing, chopping, irrigating, spraying, picking and driving a tractor for 16 hours a day if we thought it was gonna rain the next day, just 12 hours a day in a dry spell. And I didn’t get to drive the good tractor with the AC, I was sportin’ the old open cab! So, hard labor- yeah I’ve been there and done that. It’s a real rush to be in the middle of a 300 acre cotton field with a garden ho and a lightening storm come up- one word for you- RUN. The only thing that got me out of the field was school and homework, the only thing that got me out of school was being in the hospital.
    So yes, hard work will get you way further in life than a pity party. I love my experiences on the farm, they make you strong and decisive. I wasn’t given a new car on my 16th birthday, I worked my way thru college and now I’m a freakin property manager WTF?? Life hasn’t been that nice, but at least I can say, hey, I’m trying…I’m workin a job I can’t stand, for not enough money that’s not even in my degree. Why? Because I’d rather do that than have the government support me or be in jail. I’m a product of my own design and only I can change the design. K???

  • THE BLACK MAN ALONZO

    1.      Comment by Tonto (USA) on 25 August 2008:Alonzo, give it up.  None of any of that stuff ever happened to you.  Plenty of blacks, orientals, whites, indians, and middle east persons have been and are successful in the USA without referencing all the crap from the past.
    Alonzo:  Tonto—I am from New Orleans … the horror of your racist philosophy continues–What is unfortunate is that it has not happened to me because I have white skin and blue eyes.  I am allowed in places that most of my dark skin family is not allowed.  They don’t have signs that say white only … act ignorant if you want, but you know what I am talking about.  You know racism is pervasive and sure, there are Jews that made it in Nazi Germany , there are blacks that did well in the South during the antebellum period … what exactly is your point.  What I wrote happens to blacks daily, even though they follow the rules.  I know, I know, don’t confuse you with the facts.  A conservative mindset I often see.
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  • THE BLACK MAN ALONZO

    Comment by Tonto (USA) on 25 August 2008: The stuff about Apaches is true.  10th cav under Crook was the outfit that finally ran down Geronimo, and they were black troops…….get some history lessons.  Black Jack Pershing was also involved later.  That’s why they called him Black Jack. 
    Alonzo the Black Man: Geronimo surrendered to United States Army General Nelson A. Miles at Skeleton Canyon, Arizona.  He was not run down by any Black Jack.  That is a legend perpetuated by racist like you trying to cause division among most of us good Americans.
    Comment by Tonto (USA) on 25 August 2008: Apaches respected but hated them.  Mexicans took hundreds of Apache slaves, and Apaches took hundreds of mexican children as replacements……and they were adopted as Apache.  That’s history.
      Alonzo the Black Man: No, no, no! Mexicans proper did not take slaves it was the Spanish.  Apache’s did not consider them slaves, they were prisoners of war that could eventually become a part of the their family which was not a cultural norm for many whites.  But You Tonto are probably part African.  There is a tremendous amount of racism in Mexico today against African Americans there … by the way, Mexico is in North America, so they too are Americans (smile).

  • THE BLACK MAN ALONZO

    Mexicans say the current populations in Mexico is from Cuba.  Well some may be, but the  historical record, of course, tells another story. In the sixteenth century, New Spain–as Mexico was then called–probably had more enslaved Africans than any other colony in the Western Hemisphere. Blacks were present as slaves of the Spaniards as early as the 1520s. Over the approximately three hundred years it lasted, the slave trade brought about 200,000 Africans to the colony. Many blacks were born in Mexico and followed their parents into slavery. Not until 1829 was the institution abolished by the leaders of the newly independent nation.
    African labor was vital to the Spanish colonists. As indigenous peoples were killed or died from European diseases, blacks assumed a disproportionate share of the burden of work, particularly in the early colonial period. African slaves labored in the silver mines of Zacatecas, Taxco, Guanajuato, and Pachuca in the northern and central regions; on the sugar plantations of the Valle de Orizaba and Morelos in the south; in the textile factories (“obrajes”) of Puebla and Oaxaca on the west coast and in Mexico City; and in households everywhere. Others worked in skilled trade or on cattle ranches. Although black slaves were never more than two percent of the total population, their contributions to colonial Mexico were enormous, especially during acute labor shortages.
    Africans in Mexico left their cultural and genetic imprint everywhere they lived. In states such as Veracruz, Guerrero, and Oaxaca, the descendants of Africa’s children still bear the evidence of their ancestry. No longer do they see themselves as Mandinga, Wolof, Ibo, Bakongo, or members of other African ethnic groups; their self identity is Mexican, and they share much with other members of their nation-state.
    As their ancestors did, the few remaining persons who are visibly of African descent continue to be productive members of society. But history has not been kind to the achievements of African peoples in Mexico as it has not been in America. It is only within recent times that their lives have been studied and their contributions to Mexican society illuminated. Suffice it to say that contemporary black Mexicans can claim this proud legacy and draw strength from it, even as they become a shrinking part of their country’s peoples

  • THE BLACK MAN ALONZO

    1.      Comment by jennyjen on 26 August 2008:Alonzo, so you can quote stats, wonderful. Now share them with someone that can change them…like the incarcerated and unemployed. If you don’t like where you’re at, you can point a finger at the people you think got you there or you can realize that you’re the product of you’re own design.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  Ms. Jennyjen, I teach blacks, whites, Mexicans, etc. pro-social skills and I designed schools about 20 years ago that are ran by the children I taught.  These schools are from coast to coast and in 4 countries.  I teach children to love each other regardless of skin color because we are one family of man.  I recently wrote a children’s book and screen play, I hope it will illustrate my views on our responsibility to each other as a society.   I love you, even though you hate me and I would give my life for you and your family because I am a Black man who knows what it is like to need a life boat for my family and yet be allowed to die (Remember I am from New Orleans)!   I never thought you were a southern bell, your vulgar comments gave you away (smile).   I don’t think you are what white people once coined as Trash, either.  I think you are an honest racist American, much like Tonto.  That is why I continue to dialogue with you both, because I believe you actually believe what you are saying is true.  You are a product of your racist Environment!  Dr. King illustrated it this way, “If you were raised as racist whites you would think as they do.”  There were many blacks in the south who were slave masters and blacks that served in the confederate army who supported slavery.  It could be said that they are reasons why slavery wasn’t that bad, but I dare say they were simply products of an evil engineered society.  That does not make them any less harmful, but it does give us reasons for their behavior that relate to Social Norms.   
    Based on your comments I suppose you are Christian, John McCain is Christian.  Although both of you hate black people, because you are Christian we are commanded to love you and as a Black Christian I will.  The problem with Blacks is this, while black liberation theology may oppose their views of white government they would never hurt white people.  Rev. Wright, has seen horrors against blacks that I have not seen, yet he would never suggest blacks should do anything but none violence.  In this country …if you will recall– they killed us, but Most of Us continued to show you love.  I think the Devil hates us so, because Jesus was so proud of what we did in the 1960’s. Blacks did not fight against these injustices alone, they used whites. 

  • THE BLACK MAN ALONZO

     
    Comment by jennyjen on 26 August 2008: So yes, hard work will get you way further in life than a pity party.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: Please tell that to the thousands of black men on death row who never committed a crime.  I know at least 4.
    Comment by jennyjen on 26 August 2008: I love my experiences on the farm; they make you strong and decisive.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN:  I agree … My grandfather was a farmer and he raised me.   But many slaves were farmers and it hurt them. 
    Comment by jennyjen on 26 August 2008: Life hasn’t been that nice, but at least I can say, hey, I’m trying
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: If you being white can’t make it big here … well…I don’t know what to say.  You have the best of all worlds. 
    Comment by jennyjen on 26 August 2008: I’m workin a job I can’t stand, for not enough money that’s not even in my degree. Why? Because I’d rather do that than have the government support me or be in jail. I’m a product of my own design and only I can change the design.
    ALONZO THE BLACK MAN: I agree that you are a product of your own design.  Unfortunately that is all too often not the case for many blacks.  I could give you examples, but I don’t think you would care.  I will say this however; I’ve known many blacks to be high performers and innovative on their job and yet their white counterparts who they trained were promoted.  I guess what I am saying is that Nazi Germany was great for the Germans, but the Jews tell another story.
    If our philosophy about the past never changes, well then we bring the past into our present and we will push our wrongs into the future. 

  • jennyjen

      Alonzo the Black Man: No, no, no! Mexicans proper did not take slaves it was the Spanish.  Apache’s did not consider them slaves, they were prisoners of war that could eventually become a part of the their family which was not a cultural norm for many whites.  But You Tonto are probably part African.  There is a tremendous amount of racism in Mexico today against African Americans there … by the way, Mexico is in North America, so they too are Americans (smile).

    So are they Spanish, Mexican or American???  :)  If they were living in Mexico…then they are Spanish-Mexican-Americans?? :) I guess that makes me German-Choctaw-American (my great-grandmother was full-blooded Choctaw, dad’s bloodline comes from Germany)  All-American mutt and I’m proud of it!

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    We’ve solved nothing with this Alonzo character – so lets move right along to something or someone else and NOT waste any more time.  Useless, and unfruitful.  This is a vicious circle.
    Oh well, win some lose some.  Ha Ha!

    Same with that deplorable disgusting Lush Ted Kennedy, the audacity of him speaking anywhere let alone at the Demorat Convention.  Waste of time, fruitless, and served no purpose with one exception – letting everyone know what kind of caliber of people these libs associate with.  Ted Kennedy is the worst example of a human being, nasty murderer. Letting a young girl drown in his car after driving drunk then running off a bridge into the river.   Then the worst thing happened,  Kennedy stumbled into a party, and drinking himself into a drunken stupor then passing out.  Not to report the accident until the next day.  Lot of young people do not know this, so I am out to report this on blogs, it should be told, bad as it is.  Just look it up (type in Ted Kennedy and girl that drowned in car)  the terrible story will come up. 
    So the Lush Liberal Lion, Ted Kennedy will be ‘AS’ a roaring Lion, seeking whom he will devour.  KENNEDY’S devouring days are over, the OLD DRIED UP  “NEVER HAS BEEN”  HE SHOULD HAVE DROWNED INSTEAD OF MARY JO – HER LIFE WAS WORTH SAVIING . . . KENNEDY PROVED HIS LIFE WAS WORTHLESS!

  • THE BLACK MAN ALONZO

    They speak Spanish and are occupants of Mexico which is in North America.  So I guess you are right.  So, you are German-Choctaw-American.  Your ancestors the Germans went through horrendous discrimination in this country and while the Choctaw were able to assimilate the trail of tears is an American Horror Story that Indians talk about to this day.  While I live on this planet, I will never stop being ashamed of how Americans who used the title of Christian treated people.  I don’t mistreat people, but just knowing that I have the capacity, prevents me from doing so.  After all, evil flows through my blood stream as well.  It is kind of funny, but we once talked about the Indians the way we talk about the Muslims.   
    The current generation of Americans does not have to be perpetual representatives of the past as long as we adhere to our creed of Liberty and Justice for All. The Theory of Resiliency implies that regardless a certain percentage of the population has the personality to type to overcome almost anything (We call this mountain man mentality). Civilizations were created because most of us do not have the capacity to live without help.  However we liberals believe what the bible says about   “We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak,” Romans 15:1.  Jesus further elaborated: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me; he has anointed me to tell the good news to the poor. He has sent me to announce release to the prisoners and recovery of sight to the blind, to set oppressed people free …
    When the liberals try to help people these are the vs. they are following.  Barack Hussein Obama (Hussein—by the way my name if Manson, but I am not Charles Manson) has a charge on his life to help Americans in the inner cities and in the Appalachian Mountains. If he does more for one he goes against the scriptures and since he and his wife are true Christians they are doing their best against this horrible racist culture.    
     

  • THE BLACK MAN ALONZO

    1.      Comment by carolyne on 26 August 2008:We’ve solved nothing with this Alonzo character – so lets move right along to something or someone else and NOT waste any more time.  Useless, and unfruitful.  This is a vicious circle.
    Oh well, win some lose some.  Ha Ha!
    THE BLACK MAN: You are right, there is no way racist like you are ever going to get me to agree that injustice against others of the human family was ever ok or justified because of the times.  The next stage in our human evolution is recognizing our responsibility to ourselves and each other.
    By the way, Carolyne, according to your logic, Ted Kennedy did this in the past, why worry about it.  There are men alive today that murdered blacks in the 1950’s and 60’s … I agree we should go after them.  But you would say, Oh well, it is in the past.   
     

  • OBAMA MAN ALONZO

    DON’T TELL ME ABOUT BEING PROUD OF AMERICA UNTIL YOU’VE
    BEEN BLACK IN AMERICA!

    No one gave you anything?  If you love your freedom you better think a veteran.  I have done very well in life, but my wealth is  based on how I look. I look white!  If you saw me, within a few minutes you would feel comfortable about making racial comments about blacks.  I know, it happens all the time. Racism is alive and well and hard working black people are punished by evil men. 

    What kind of  land allows a first lady to say this is the first time I am proud of America? A fair land.  When we say proud of America, we say proud of everything.  For our country to allow what happen in Hurricane Katrina to occur and then say we should help other countries?  Perhaps we should get the home land secure first.  Think about the type of help the military and government gives to white communities who have natural disasters.  They let the black people and babies of New Orleans die … oh I know, it is all in the past. 
    Mothers strapped their babies to telephone poles while they were swept away by the waters of lake Punchatrian (they were stranded).   In the 1960’s when I was a little boy, the governor of New Orleans allowed the government to empty waters from Lake Punchatrain in the same area to prevent the houses in Kenner Louisiana from being devastated by the waters.  I know it was just a coincidence that the community in Kenner was white and the houses in Orleans Parrish–who were flooded– were black.  That means our Church and our home was destroyed.  Katrina did the same thing.  Don’t tell me about being proud of America. 
    I know, I know, it was in the past!  We worked hard for our house and our church.  In fact, my grandfather built the church with his own hands and bought the land with his own money.  He had restaurant chains and he was also a carpenter.  He built his own house and they let the water come on us and destroy his property.   Don’t tell me about being proud of America until you’ve been BLACK IN AMERICA!

     

     

     

  • OBAMA MAN ALONZO

    In 1965, heavy flooding caused by Hurricane Betsy brought concerns regarding flooding from hurricanes to the forefront. That year Congress passed the Flood Control Act of 1965 which by federal mandate gave the US Army Corps of Engineers sole authority for the design and construction of the flood protection in the New Orleans metropolitan area. The local municipalities were charged with maintenance once the projects were completed.
    When authorized, this mandate was projected to take 13 years to complete. When Katrina made landfall in 2005, the project was between 60% complete with a projected date of completion estimated for 2015, nearly 50 years after it first gained authorization

  • OBAMA MAN ALONZO

    Isaiah 11:6  — “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.”
    You may not agree with the Obama Child, but he has a point.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNRXyrkLGt4  the Democratic View
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PrCXJyWACw&feature=related the Republican View
     

  • jennyjen

    Alonzo, What about all the people in Iowa who lost everything when the Mississippi broke levee’s? FEMA hasn’t even been there, neither has Kanye West, the Dixie Chicks, Brad Pitt or the good Reverends Al and Jesse!
    Are the people of Iowa somehow undeserving of national attention?
    Are they second-class citizens and don’t deserve disaster relief?

    I gotta agree with Carolyn…getting nowhere fast with you! And the “Obama Child”-I just spewed my drink!  I’m gonna need my boots just to read your comments!

  • Kal

    Jennyjen,

    Regarding the Spanish-Mexican-Americans, it is much simpler to just call us ‘beaners’. Also much more entertaining :D

  • OBAMA MAN ALONZO

    1.      Comment by Master jennyjen on 27 August 2008: Alonzo, What about all the people in Iowa who lost everything when the Mississippi broke levee’s? FEMA hasn’t even been there, neither has Kanye West, the Dixie Chicks, Brad Pitt or the good Reverends Al and Jesse!
    Are the people of Iowa somehow undeserving of national attention?
    Are they second-class citizens and don’t deserve disaster relief?
    I gotta agree with Carolyn…getting nowhere fast with you! And the “Obama Child”-I just spewed my drink!  I’m gonna need my boots just to read your comments!
    The Obama Man Alonzo: Oh  Master Jennyjen, now you know I understand why you and Master Carolyn would gang up on me … after all it is your heritage to lynch Obama Men!  No problem, I am a African warrior that will one day be killed off by you people and you won’t have to listen to me anymore.   But as long as I have breath I will fight for your rights and fight against conservative extremism because I have love in my heart.    I have schools from coast to coast and in 4 Countries.  I ordered my schools to send relief to Iowa.  I cried when I saw that those people lost all they worked for…I guess it reminded me of Hurricane Katrina.   You probably missed my point, I simply pointed out there were blacks in New Orleans because everyone keeps saying we are not in two different America’s. But we are!   My children’s friends who look black will grow up in a country that hates them.  But you keep saying this is a great country.  Great for who?    Mark Twain said, “The older I get, the least I listen to what people say and the more I watch what they do.”  Oh by the way, Congress  approved a $300 million emergency relief package shortly after the flood. And  $100 million was released the same week of the incident,  the remaining $200 million was done after a study on unmet housing, business and infrastructure losses.  Mayor Nagan said at the National Black Mayors Conference, what Happened here in New Orleans to Americans must never be allowed to happen again.  The National Black Mayors gave money as well and set supplies.   Do you know they are still finding people dead in houses in New Orleans? 
    Comment by Master jennyjen on 27 August 2008 Are they second-class citizens and don’t deserve disaster relief?
    The Obama Man Alonzo:  Wow! I feel sorry for the hate that you and your people carry! It will cause you to make up anything!  You don’t have to tell our black brothers and sisters about injustice, blacks know, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.  God bless you young slave master!

  • OBAMA MAN ALONZO

    Oh, by the way, I call you guys young slave masters because you have the slave masters mentality.  Hillary Clinton once called the conservatives, plantation owners.  Slavery is alive and well today because of our racist legal system that you all support.  It is so heart breaking knowing that all of you are Americans with the same old mentality that caused discrimination 37 years ago and lynchins 50 years ago.  The more things change, the more they remain the same.  Don’t tell blacks to get over it because we keep trying.  I guess we will continue to try to love you the way Martin Luther King told us to regardless of how bad you treat us.  WOW! What a people!

  • jennyjen

    Being called a racist by a racist- yeah, I’ll have to brush my shoulder off… :)

  • jennyjen

    Kal, I appreciate your sense of humor- it’s refreshing! I’m a farm girl tho so I’ve always used the term “wetback” but I can change :)

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    jennyjen that was cool, being called a racist by a racist, and giving all the circumstances being a racist is a good thing.  I don’t plan to CHANGE because I know what that word means now.  Ha Ha - Kal if people only knew, we are all just kidding, because this whole issue is a bad joke.   Sad in a way, but we are serious of the evil cruelty existing today.   I have no intention to dignify the idol worshiper idiots on here. . . with an answer, waste of time.

  • Kal

    Jennyjen,
    anyone can be a wetback, seeing as the majority of immigrants have to cross some body of water to get here. I find it neither derogatory or offensive being called either. It is simply a descriptive turn that whiny pussy-ass liberals have decided is racist (even though it can be applied to whites, blacks, browns, yellows, reds, etc…) We Latinos DO love beans (beaner) and we DO bust our asses on the job, often working up a sweat (wetback) :D

  • OBAMA MAN

     
    One thing is true; like Rev. Wright, if I am considered a racist, my racism illumination has never killed or hurt anyone … but your brand of racism has kidnapped, killed, murdered, robbed, raped and lynched since the 13 colonies. And that is the truth…Amen!  Consider your use of the words “wetback” and “beaner.” Or consider Tanto’s use of the Black Ape.  Blacks and Latino’s may be racist, but it is hard ignoring the historic reasons that involved unprecedented pain and suffering caused by white bigotry. But neither black nor Latino racism has ever hurt a soul.  White Racism on the other hand … oh well, NUFF SAID!
    Kal and jennyjen’s 2008  brand  of shameful   racism they consider funny:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV7_l_HVUgM&feature=related Blacks and Mexicans stand against minute men who call them wetbacks.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttdcwwko19M&feature=related  Luis Ramirez a Mexican migrant killed by white youth .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wGuuNKgsAc What racist police officers kill again for no reason
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pcRpyRnSnc  WHITE MOB ATTACKS BLACK MAN. GUESS WHO GETS CHARGED?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0QnnHiN6io  Patriotism the new Racism for America
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhZEJiu03MU&feature=related  More Racist Comments On Stage at McCain Rally
     
     

  • Kal

    Obama Man Alonzo,

    What about the hutu and the tutsi? No racism there, right? Or how about the Berbers enslaving over 1 million white Europeans? No racism there, right?

    You want to play cut and paste with your cherry picked youtube clips?

    http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7194014&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1 Three somali teenagers attack white hospital workers. Nope, no racism there, right?
    http://www.alipac.us/article3438.html – an illegal immigrant who has no business being in the US kills a 5 year old boy. But the minutemen are racist for wanting illegals punished and deported.

    http://saveandromeda.com/wordpress/?p=167 – criminal illegal alien out on bail for assault drives drunk, plows his car into a family, killing all three, the youngest a 2 year old baby. But we are racist for wanting illegals out of the country.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55440 another illegal DUI killer, hit and run leaves a pedestrian dead. But we are racist for wanting these filthy scum out of OUR COUNTRY (Yours and Mine, Alonzo)

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,389804,00.html another illegal beaner kills a man and his two sons, unloading on them with an AK-47. But I am racist for wanting this piece of filth deported (I personally prefer he be shot by firing squad)

    So being patriotic and wanting to enforce FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW makes me racist? Do you even know what the definition of the word is?

  • jennyjen

    I have no beef with legal immigrants, hell they ran circles around me in the cotton fields when I was younger! Seemed like I was sweating twice as hard and doing half as much work, I was a wetback and a bad one at that!  And its totally off subject but someone needs to change the subject…..
    Has anyone else watched any of the DNC? I feel like I’m watching high school kids vote for prom king and queen, it’s like there’s glitter on everything haha! And the drama too, one of the Obamanites called an African-American woman sportin a Hillary button an Uncle Tom, c’mon where is the love and unity I keep hearing about?!?! I thought the dem’s were gonna “heal” in Denver…k, I can’t even keep a straight face typin this shit….hahaha!

  • OBAMA MAN

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  • OBAMA MAN

    1.      Comment by jennyjen on 28 August 2008: Has anyone else watched any of the DNC? I feel like I’m watching high school kids vote for prom king and queen, it’s like there’s glitter on everything haha! And the drama too, one of the Obamanites called an African-American woman sportin a Hillary button an Uncle Tom, c’mon where is the love and unity I keep hearing about?!?! I thought the dem’s were gonna “heal” in Denver…k, I can’t even keep a straight face typin this shit….hahaha!
    Obama Man—Come On, be fair, this was a hard fought emotional contest and they had a few historic first that everyone was hoping would be president or vice president.  It is kind of funny but the Republican Party would never have the problem of dealing with a black man or woman.  Did you know that most of the south was democrats at one time?  The change occurred when blacks were given the right to vote.  God Bless President Lyndon Johnson!
    Jennyjen or Kal might say: “But Alonzo, what would you like us to do about it; all this occurred in the 1960’s.  Wouldn’t you agree that we have grown as a Nation?”
    OBAMA MAN—Yes we have grown as a nation.  While the minutemen yelled racial language, they did not hurt or kill anyone.  They were peaceful.  For the most part they have not hurt what you refer to as “illegal’s.”  And just to be honest, it is not fair to blame young white America for their horrible ancestors, unless they say they are proud of their business practices.  Young people, I can talk about the atrocities of the past all I want, but I must also admit that most white people were not slave owners and did not agree with slavery.  Did you know Robert E. Lee did not agree with it.  The Underground Railroad was run mostly by white people.  There is a legend in Mississippi that states white people pulled away from the confederacy and formed their own state called the Free State of Jones. http://www.amazon.com/Free-State-Jones-Mississippis-Longest/dp/0807826367 .   It’s stories like this I hope to tell one day … the idea of racism happen, but I want young people to know that most of us embraced each other for freedom and justice for all.  Slave masters only accounted for a small percentage of the white population. Little black children and their mothers fleeing from slave hunters were embraced by white people in safe houses.  Slavery was evil, but the American love that ended it was beautiful.  For a house divided against itself shall not stand.  Please God, forgive the evils of America and bless the many who fought, bleed and died for freedom and justice for us all.  Amazing Grace how sweet the sound…

  • Kal

    2?

  • OBAMA MAN

    I love John Mccain and Barack Hussein Obama … they think we don’t know what they are doing. I hear the good things they are saying about one another and I see that they are insistent on making history regardless of who is selected as president.  Thank God that this will be the year that representatives on all sides of America used love as a vehicle for change.   God bless this great country and the New Warriors he is raising up to lead us.  Rev. Wright, it is not perfect sir, but our leaders are now truly and honestly talking the talk as they try to walk the walk.  GOD BLESS AMERICA … THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!  
    THE NIGHT HAS ENDED, NOW WE SHALL SEE HIS GLORIOUS LIGHT AND HE SHALL HEAL OUR LANDS AND OUR PEOPLE.  THIS IS THE TRUE AMERICAN DREAM…A LAND WHERE ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE SEEN AS CREATED EQUAL.
    TRUTH IS MIGHTY AND SHALL PREVAIL! Now it matters not who will win the presidency. The last is now first.  THANK GOD for letting me live to see this great day in our great country!

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Is this guy Obama Man – OK?  Should someone be called to take him to rehab?
    I think he smoked a joint before he logged on,  just ignore him and maybe he’ll leave the way he came in.
     
     

  • OBAMA MAN

    1.      Comment by carolyne on 29 August 2008:Is this guy Obama Man – OK?  Should someone be called to take him to rehab?
    OBAMA MAN: Yes, much like Rev. Wright I am probably experiencing PTSD and I probably need rehab after living in this country during the 1960’s.  Well actually, Rev. Wright saw more atrocities than I have, so perhaps he’s been injured a lot worse than me.  The problem is, that not but a couple of days ago was I proud of all America.  Now it looks like those that were falsely imprisoned will might be released; could it be that black college graduates will no longer be judged by the color of their skin in white America; Might we be able to go into small towns and told to get out because we are black.   Some of you will ignore race, but it matters to many white people in this country.  I’m just happy that what has happened over the last few days has been the will of  MOST OF US!

    Comment by carolyne on 29 August 2008: I think he smoked a joint before he logged on,  just ignore him and maybe he’ll leave the way he came in. 
    OBAMA MAN: This is going to come as a surprise to you and most of YOUR  white friends—which by the way does not represent the majority of good white people—but most blacks do not smoke cannabis.  Now I know your small town mentality has just shot your computer, but it is true.  Most brotha’s don’t use drugs or sell it.  A very small percent of people in our community are criminals.  Most of us are hard working people unlike the plantation owners mentality that says, sit back and let someone else work hard. 
     
    Comment by carolyne on 29 August 2008: just ignore him and maybe he’ll leave the way he came in. 
     
    OBAMA MAN: As long as you try to inflict injustices on  people who have done you no wrong … I will be in the shadows to come to their rescue … after all I am an Obama Man. 
     

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/mrburningone mrburningone

    The right wing propagandists are out there within the airwaves of the American public in plain sight spreading the lies of the republican agenda whose sole purpose has been to deter the rise of minorities and insure white supremecy.
    The silent war that rages beneath the mask of their purchased cable news shows and radio talk show hosts seems like it is benign by virtue of it’s simplistic nature, but the true threat is that they are infecting citizens with deceptive tactics meant to inspire a bellicose society that will turn inwardly upon itself into chaos.
    Advocates of the NRA (National Rifle Association) would have the people believe that the liberal, democratic congress would omit the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) of the constitution of the United States in their effort to keep assault rifles and weapons in the hands of inner city african american and latino communities so that the program of violence may continue and these minorities become fixed upon the track they are being herded into that places them in state incarceration or death.
    Through inconsistant legistlation aimed at undermining public education and systematically deteriorating the economic structure of these minorities into federal territories designated as low income housing, this cements the right wing agenda by guaranteeing only an incremental rise in minority college admissions when measured against their caucasion counterparts.
    It is becoming more evident that this agenda is far reaching and includes an even broader stroke of injustice from education, economy, lack of healthcare, poor or inadequate civil engineering in low income regions, federal emergency services and encouragement or advocacy of police brutality by state and city officials toward all minorities by lack of strict penalties and full term prosecutions of officers who have blatantly broken the laws enacted to protect civil liberties.
    ….but every now and then something slips through the cracks of their wall and then bolstered by generational dischord and the need for waves of change and the transfer of power, someone comes who is not what they expected and we begin to see the desperation in their actions and those who have supported them.
    Barack Obama was head of the Harvard Law Review and could have been just another short statistic of affluent Wall Street african americans who turned their back on their own people and communities, but with something that spoke to what a true American is supposed to be all about, he turned and went to the south side of Chicago, IL where he began his mission to bring this country back to a former glory that has long since faded away into red tape and obscurity.
    As an American and documented son of the Revolutionary War, I am proud to cast my vote for the change that WE ALL need.

  • OBAMA MAN

    Obama Man: I am tired of people screaming I am races just because I say all people deserve fair treatment in this country under the law regardless of their race.  I am tired of people calling me races just because I believe the so called Christian southern slave masters were the worst example of American offering and Christianity.  I am tired of people calling me a races just because I say we need to understand black people who are 50 years old and older … after all they have  lived through unprecedented pain and suffering in this country.  I recall one of my supervisors said he had a problem with Vietnamese.  He said they shot and kill his friends when he was in Vietnam, well he was white and I did not think he was races, but I know he experienced things I could never conceive.  How can we live in our country in peace unless we understand our needs motivate behaviors?  Lastly I am sick and tired of people calling me a liberal just because I say, we are our brother’s keeper and the strong must bear the infirmities of the weak (that is biblical).  Helping your brother who is in need it not  a liberal idea; it is a Christian idea …isn’t it funny how the conservatives say they believe in Christian ideals when almost nothing they do is truly about the liberty God gives to all men to do his will of living in peace with all men as much as it is up to them?  Say what you will, but don’t lecture me on right to life … I live it every day.  Don’t destroy the abortion clinics, kill the thought process that fosters desperation.  But how can you do this unless you are your brother’s keeper.  As Mark Twain said, the older I get the least I listen to what people say and the more I watch what they do.         
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Fru4dZLGA  Pat Buchanan Loved Obama’s Convention Speech
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFsB09KhqI&NR=1 Michelle Obama at the 2008 DNC—yes she is angry, all mothers should be because they care.
     

  • OBAMA MAN

    For the first time in America, Good is winning over the selfish evil conservatives. 

  • OBAMA MAN

    Who said racism does not exist in this country: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoP0jChl0vQ

    Wow,  you conservatives  people really do live in another America.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    This Obama Man should not be allowed to be play in any reindeer games, as he is in outer orbit, plus has lost sight of the subject matter.  Even though I am concerned for people like OM who are off on their own journey to Zebulon, we cannot keep encouraging such strange behavior that goes in a Vicious Circle.  Time Wasters!  We are not interested in his views, this is a conservative site so OM should get his gear and go..  IMO even the Demoflats would wonder about where did this misfit come from?  ON second thought OM, would fit in perfect.

    Least said anymore to OM, sooner done! 

  • OBAMA MAN

    Obama Man: Carolyne please!  I cannot let you get away with that!   I have stayed on point. In fact I stayed on Seven Points:
     
    (1)   The purpose of this site was to attack Obama through his pastor.  I argued your comments were based on conditioned racism that began way back during slavery times. Not one person could prove I was wrong!  
    (2)    Christians are against the Homosexual Life Style, Abortion, Mistreatment of other people and not to mention, recognizing that good people are their brother’s keepers. So, I defended Rev. Wright and Obama.  I claimed that Rev. Wright had a responsibility  to preach about the wrongs of America against blacks ( See: II Timothy 4) as did Obama had the right to attend his church if what he was saying was verifiable.
    (3)    It was impossible for Rev. Wright to be Muslim or Nation of Islam because Black Liberation Theology was designed to keep young black men in the Christian Fold.  It gave them the idea that Blacks must do for self  because in the 1960’s, whites tried to kill their opportunity.  In fact James Cone said “While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism.”  It was based on lynching’s, discrimination, segregation, murder, etc.   
    (4)    In the above posts, I argue for all of Rev. Wright’s positions as not being of his own makings but were fostered by reputable groups like Scientific Americas on the possible AIDS recombinant DNA. 
    (5)    I don’t know what Christianity you’ve been dealing with, but the Pastor is not the leader of the Church … Jesus is ((Church–from the Greek words ekklesia, meaning “assembly, church” and logos meaning “thought, word, principle”).    And just to back that up, the pastor is not the Church; the Church is made up of baptized believers who are all called to be ministers. Rev. Wright was only one of the ministers’ that made up a church.  Thus he is one of many opinions. 
    (6)    It is often said by conservatives that no liberal can name Obama’s Policies. I challenge conservatives on the street to name John Mccain’s policies. 
    (7)    I gave you a list of Barack Obama’s policies (See: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/   ) you should be ashamed for saying that just because he was black, that he wasn’t intelligent enough to map out the issues.  Shame on all of you.  
     
     So, Carolyne, stop your racism … it is getting old.  By the way Carolyne, in the past you could scare black people with your insulting comments.  Those days are over!  Thank You!  
     
     

  • OBAMA MAN

    Continued from my Message Above:

    So once again you guys just made stuff up. Shame on you Carolyne!  Obama’s pastor could not have been a former Muslim.  Seldom if ever do Muslims convert to Christianity … but especially that is true of the Nation of Islam. In addition Black Liberation theology was develop to counter the Nation of Islam.  But again, don’t confuse you with the facts,  You guys just made it up as usual.  If racist conservatives can’t win fairly, they will win by any means necessary!  Shame on you guys! We need a Change … but can we.  And they shouted, “YES WE CAN!”

  • jennyjen

    Change to McCain/Palin- YES WE CAN! And if racists libtards can’t win fairly, they pull the race card like you do, Obama Man. I was planning on ignoring you, but the crap that spews just blows my mind. Do you read what you type or does it just come out as a turrettes fit?  Once again, it’s a conservative site, if you want your ass kissed, I suggest you mozy on over to a libtard site and they will kiss any idiots ass over there-just as long as you blow smoke up theirs. It’s the liberal way!  :)

    “Life is tough… it’s even tougher if you’re stupid”- John Wayne

  • jennyjen

    And here’s an interesting story for you all that I found on the Internet, I give credit at the end:

    I preface this with the quote attributable to Charles Barkley :–

    “Poor people have been voting for democrats for 50 years….and they are still poor”

    Once upon a time, on a farm in Virginia, there was a little red hen
    who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered quite a few
    grains of wheat.

    She called all of her Democrat neighbors together and said, ‘If we
    plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant
    it?’

    ‘Not I,’ said the cow.

    ‘Not I,’ said the duck.

    ‘Not I,’ said the pig.

    ‘Not I,’ said the goose.

    ‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen, and so she did.

    The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain.

    ‘Who will help me reap my wheat?’ asked the little red hen.

    ‘Not I,’ said the duck.

    ‘Out of my classification,’ said the pig.

    ‘I’d lose my seniority,’ said the cow.

    ‘I’d lose my unemployment compensation,’ said the goose.

    ‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen, and so she did.

    At last it came time to bake the bread.

    ‘Who will help me bake the bread?’ asked the little red hen.

    ‘That would be overtime for me,’ said the cow.

    ‘I’d lose my welfare benefits,’ said the duck.

    ‘I’m a dropout and never learned how,’ said the pig.

    ‘If I’m to be the only helper, that’s discrimination,’ said the goose.

    ‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen.

    She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to
    see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share.

    But the little red hen said, ‘No, I shall eat all five loaves.’

    ‘Excess profits!’ cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi)

    ‘Capitalist leech!’ screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer)

    ‘I demand equal rights!’ yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson)

    The pig just grunted in disdain. (Ted Kennedy)

    And they all painted ‘Unfair!’ picket signs and marched around and
    around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.

    Then the farmer ( Barack Obama)came.

    He said to the little red hen, ‘You must not be so greedy.’

    ‘But I earned the bread,’ said the little red hen.

    ‘Exactly,’ said Barack the farmer. ‘That is what makes our free
    enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as
    much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the
    productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those
    who are lazy and idle.’

    And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen,
    who smiled and clucked, ‘I am grateful, for now I truly understand.’

    But her neighbors became quite disappointed in her.

    She never again baked bread because she joined the ‘party’ and got her
    bread free.

    And all the Democrats smiled. ‘Fairness’ had been established.

    Individual initiative had died, but nobody noticed; perhaps no one
    cared…so long as there was free bread that ‘the rich’ were paying
    for.

    EPILOGUE

    Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.

    Hillary got $8 million for hers.

    That’s $20 million for the memories from two people, who for eight
    years, repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn’t remember
    anything.

    IS THIS A GREAT BARNYARD OR WHAT?


    Sharon K. Vander Zyl
    Retired and On the Loose

  • OBAMA MAN

    AS LONG AS DNA TESTING PROVES THAT INNOCENT BLACK MEN HAVE BEEN MURDERED IN THE JUSTICE SYSTEM BY WHITE RACIST…DON’T LECTURE ME ON YOUR RACE CARD THEORY.
    If you are suggesting by your story that conservatives are the Hen than you are a bold face liar or perhaps just ignorant of the facts as usual as most conservatives are.  Conservatives never do their own research because there world view is based on their overall white supremacy agenda (This statement does not represent most white people).   I will not call you an idiot because we liberals have a larger vocabulary.  I will call you conservative communist who love telling stories that are never  based on the quantitative nor qualitative data.   First let’s look at the corporate welfare and how much you have spent on the war, just to name two:
    CONSERVATIVE WELFARE:
    Also read: Take the Rich off welfare.  Ronald Regan brilliantly did this to destroy blacks and people with mental illness…he put them on the street remember: http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=ALAckvl7SskC&dq=Corporate++Welfare&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=oEF5_sm9Y5&sig=LtLvguEWkT-hDNuWA2gSYreUQ8s&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

  • OBAMA MAN

    THE REAL WELFARE CHEATS
    Jennyjen, The House has passed H.R. 6, a bill containing moderate energy reforms. The best part of this action is a repeal of $13.5 billion in tax breaks for oil companies. Haven’t they been reporting record profits? Some Republicans objected to the repeal, and hope that it can be taken out when the bill goes to the Senate. Aren’t we looking for a way to reduce the federal deficit? Democrats are ’supposedly’ guilty of tax-and-spend. The current administration is just ’spend’.
    The bill raises fuel efficiency standards, requiring that cars average 35 miles per gallon by the year 2020. Although this is quite modest compared to other countries standards, it represents the first US increase in efficiency standards in over 30 years.
    The bill also mandates that some of the electricity produced by utilities come from renewable sources. Contact your legislators to support this minimal change to US energy policy. Support H.R. 6
     

     

     

     

  • OBAMA MAN

    THE HIDDEN CONSERVATIVE WELFAIR STATE
    Knowledge about the hidden welfare state is important because it shows that a larger portion of the U.S. population benefits from welfare than it is usually believed. Many of the social welfare programs are targeted to help lower-income families, who have throughout history have been racial minorities, such as African Americans.  Again, most African Americans are able to get off welfare primarily because education.  My mom was able to get off welfare because she became a primary care physician.  However, this hidden welfare state shows that welfare is not something that should just be associated with the poor or racial minorities. Many affluent whites benefit from the welfare state, too, through tax expenditures related to retirement saving, charitable contributions, higher education, and homeownership.
    ·         Shapiro, Thomas M. (2004). The Hidden Cost of Being African American: How Wealth Perpetuates Inequality. New York: Oxford University Press
    ·         Howard, Christopher (1997). The Hidden Welfare State: Tax Expenditures and Social Policy in the United States. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press.
     

  • OBAMA MAN

     Jennyjen, Shame on you!
    WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW: Corporate welfare is a term describing a government’s bestowal of money grants, tax breaks, or other special favorable treatment on corporations or select corporations. Corporate subsidies are the same as welfare payments to the poor, however  corporations are much less needy of such treatment than the poor.92% of the poor get off welfare, 100% of companies on conservative welfare continue to get paid year after year.

  • OBAMA MAN

    THE CONSERVATIVE SECRET THAT OBAMA IS TRYING TO REVEAL!
    “The $150 billion for corporate subsidies and tax benefits eclipses the annual budget deficit of $130 billion. It’s more than the $145 billion paid out annually for the core programs of the social welfare state: Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), student aid, housing, food and nutrition, and all direct public assistance (excluding Social Security and medical care).”
    “After World War II, the nation’s tax bill was roughly split between corporations and individuals. But after years of changes in the federal tax code and international economy, the corporate share of taxes has declined to a fourth the amount individuals pay, according to the US Office of Management and Budget.” Boston Globe series on Corporate Welfare
     

  • OBAMA MAN

    OBAMA SAYS IRAQ IS  JOHN MCCAIN’S CONSERVATIVE WAR:
    AMERICA IS A CASUALTY OF THE IRAQ WAR: THE U.S. ECONOMY points out that over the next ten years “the cost of the war in Iraq could exceed $700 billion.” Jenjen I will go on to  point out that the war is harming U.S. taxpayers by saddling them with an enormous debt burden, since the war is being financed with deficit spending.
    James K. Galbraith in War in Iraq Aims a Bullet at the Heart of the Economy argues that, by stimulating the economy, “wars bring cheerful economic news at first.” But in the long run war brings inflation and other economic problems. For example, “Wars upset the trade balance. They gobble imports. And they tend to pull critical resources — scientific talent and key materials — away from exports. Our trade deficit is already staggering.”
    It is exactly this long term effect that historian Paul Kennedy discusses in his 1987 classic The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers. Kennedy focuses on the relationship of economic to military power as it affects the rise and fall of powers from 1500 to the present. In all cases the rise of power is marked initially by exceptional economic strength but eventually the high cost of the military becomes too much of a burden, and the economy and power of the state weaken drastically. In the words of Kennedy:
    “Once their productive capacity [is] enhanced, countries…normally find it easier to sustain the burdens of paying for large-scale armaments in peacetime and of maintaining and supplying large armies and fleets in wartime. It sounds crudely mercantilistic to express it this way, but wealth is usually needed to acquire and protect wealth. If, however, too large a portion of the state’s resources is diverted from wealth creation and allocated instead to military purposes, then that is likely to lead to a weakening of national power over the longer term.”
     

  • OBAMA MAN

    CNN talks about he reality of the conservative war: http://www.infoshout.com/

  • OBAMA MAN

    Jennyjen,SHAME ON YOU
    LET’S BE CLEAR ABOUT THE RACE CARD: Southern people like you were all democrats at one time.  After all the Republican Party was the party of Abraham Lincoln … you hate him.  When President Lyndon Johnson signed the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964 that allowed colored people to vote and it pissed you off and you Southern racist became republicans.  NOW THAT IS HISTORY AND SLAPS YOUR RACE CARD THEORY IN THE DIRT.  
    So now, what do you expect white southerners to think about a black man running for president?  Well, you guys want to kill him, but that is in the news.  Don’t tell black people about racism … we have a lot of experience with your type.  SHAME ON YOU!

  • jennyjen

    “I’ve never ran into anyone who knew everything.” I don’t know who said it but it’s a damn fine quote and totally applicable in this situation.  I’ve never claimed to know everything, just half of what I see and none of what I hear.
    No the race card is not in the dirt….if it is, your hands are dirty. Check out Pat Buchannan’s political article, “A Briefing for Whitey”. It’s about a year old but more relevant than ever.
    And trying to inflict me with shame, HA! Once again, I gotta racist calling me a racist just because they can’t take a joke! I laugh in your general direction sir! HAHAHA!

  • OBAMA MAN

    Jennyjen,

    What a surprise! You’ve been laughing at my kind for a long time.  At one time we cared…I really don’t care anymore.  Do what you will.  Jennyjen, the only thing I am trying to say is that there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.  I don’t really care if you are racist or not, after all there are racist liberals and conservatives (I hate those titles by the way.)  I hope I am wrong, but every time I talk about white injustice you go on the defensive…you have actually defended white slave masters and other atrocities I named.   I contend that I am not a racist, because I am not in favor of injustice committed against anyone at any time.  The same is true for Rev. Wright …perhaps we black people are crazy, but it must logically follow that if you  are ok with German Concentration camps than maybe you are ok with anti-Semitism. 
    Say what you wish, and perpetuate the inaccurate social norm about blacks as much as you want.  I have simply tried to say that most us are good people.  I know you could never vote for Obama or any other black man, but I hope you will reframe from saying it is because there is no substance (see my posts above). I pray that God will bless you Jennyjen and change your dark heart!
     

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Hey – Obama Man if you don’t care AS YOU SAY then why acknowledge this site every five minutes, just go about your work, (IF YOU WORK?) and be done with the comments already.
      jennyjen  Purr-r-r-fect!  These guys have lost it and it is so easy to push their buttons, because they are angry racist, calling others what they are.   You always accuse others of what you yourself do.  Another famous quote, just say they say, because I don’t know who said that, but they say that’s true.
    Have a get right day, and TraveLight!

  • jennyjen

    Thanks Carolyn- I appreciate that. You know, I haven’t thought twice about a persons skin color until this Obama Man called me a racist. Then I realized, it doesn’t matter to me! I don’t care what color my skin is, I don’t care what color yours or his is or anyones for that matter! Does skin color determine a persons intellect or character? Hell NO! And the simple fact is, It doesn’t matter- unless you want it to matter. Then you force it on unsuspecting people and call them a racist for not hinging every decision on skin color.  It’s an unhealthy practice- it will probably cause heart disease, high blood pressure, not to mention the elevated stress levels one feels while trying to make racism matter. A person could have a stroke!
    With Muslims invading and blowing up Christian churches across the world, idiot liberals/democrats (I have never been a democrat), people sitting in jail for non-violent crimes and illiteracy eating away at the overall IQ of this country…I got bigger fish to fry than to argue about skin color and you do too!!
    Shame on You Obama Man! We are all Americans- afflicted by the same burdens of modern society and this petty racist shit just sends us back to the dark ages- we might as well be sending notes via pigeon!
    Have a get right day and TraveLight- classic! I love it and I will!

  • OBAMA MAN

     carolyne and jennyjen,
    Get a grip! … you are racist … but I say again, who cares?  Answer the facts I’ve laid out about the candidates!  I can’t argue against your emotions.  By the way when you mention that brown Muslims kill people, perhaps you should talk about the Christians killing innocent Muslims, Christians killing innocent Catholics and Christians killing innocent blacks.  Until you fix your dark heart, all your actions will consistently be framed with evil … just like your ancestors.
    “You belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and has never stood for truth, since there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.” –John 8:44
    Shame on Both of you for representing the greatest evil our country has to offer. It has nothing to do with skin color … you are right; it is about your dark murdering hearts.  How could you republicans have been happy with the lives you’ve destroyed? 

  • OBAMA MAN

    carolyne ”… just go about your work, (IF YOU WORK?) .”
    Wow!  See what I mean … racism comes out of you guys all the time and you think it’s a natural harmless way of life. WOW, who can fathom the conservative heart? One day God will punish you all.
     

  • jennyjen

    Obama Man just commented, “What about the Christians killing innocent Muslims?”
    That is ridiculous, where is Charles?!? The Koran tells them to slay the unbelievers, wherever you find them. Do not be-friend Jews or Christians, they are your enemies. We (non-Muslims) are less than human to extremists, the only innocent (used lightly) Muslims are the civilians that get brought into the mix by extremists to serve as a human shield. When the human shields are killed then they bitch about “innocent lives”.  The real question is, “why was a child in the middle of a gun fight?” Well, only the Muslim can answer that-and he’ll lie.
    There has been injustice in this country- I will not argue that. In present day 2008 do you really have to worry everyday about extremists (or the government) kicking in your door, raping your women and chopping your head off? I don’t think so! You don’t hear about it in MSM because CAIR says it’s offensive to report on the crimes that Muslims commit!?!  I’m offended by CAIR and ISNA- they exist and I’m mad about it  ( I just adopted a Muslim mentality haha)!

  • Kal

    Obamaman,

    You just described the musselman, follower of muhammad, who plagiarized the Torah and the Bible to fabricate the teachings that became the quran – “You belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and has never stood for truth, since there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.” –John 8:44

    The greatest evil our country has to offer is the undoing of the work of the Founding Fathers, by both sides in Washington.  That is what CAIR, ISNA, MAS, and the Nation of islam intend.

  • OBAMA MAN

    Comment by Kal on 3 September 2008: The greatest evil our country has to offer is the undoing of the work of the Founding Fathers, by both sides in Washington.  That is what CAIR, ISNA, MAS, and the Nation of Islam intend.
    OBAMA MAN: Give me a break Kal, The Majority of the founding fathers were evil slave masters and rapist! The new testament Jews (Christians) were against this practice “We are all one in Christ Jesus.” There it goes again, your racism.   I AM NOT A MUSLIM AND NEITHER IS OBAMA, SO I DON’T SUPPORT THE KORAN.  But just because you don’t like someone, does not give you the make false allegations.  It is not Christian but the racist mentality to behave that way.  That is why I said: “You belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and has never stood for truth, since there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.” –John 8:44

  • OBAMA MAN

    ANOTHER jennyjen LIE: There has been injustice in this country- I will not argue that. In present day 2008 do you really have to worry everyday about extremists (or the government) kicking in your door, raping your women and chopping your head off?
    OBAMA MAN: No they don’t chop anyone’s head off!  But the rest is quiet evident! You don’t have to worry about; after all, you are white and protected by the Government as you are a part of the hidden welfare state.

  • OBAMA MAN

    ANOTHER jennyjen LIE: The Koran tells them to slay the unbelievers, wherever you find them. Do not be-friend Jews or Christians, they are your enemies. We (non-Muslims) are less than human to extremists,
    OBAMA MAN: This is exactly the racist philosophy crap I am talking about.  Based on your comments Somehow all Muslims are linked to extremist because there is something genetically wrong with them.  Wow JennyJen, Shame on you.  The Koran is a book that has been altered from the truth … it is not the word of God as Obama declares.  But at one time Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in peace.  The Koran says: “The [Muslim] believers, the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabians – all those who believe in God and the Last Day and do good – will have their rewards with their Lord. No fear for them, nor will they grieve”
    Or The Koran says:
    “You [Prophet] are sure to find that the most hostile to the believers are the Jews and those who associate other deities with God*; you are sure to find that the closest in affection towards the believers are those who say, ‘We are Christians,’ for there are among them people devoted to learning and ascetics.

  • jennyjen

    Koran 2:191 and Nick Berg (decapitated). Most Muslims are linked to extremism because they won’t stop the extremists. The lack of criticism from the Muslim community validates the jihad against all non-believers of Allah and his pedophile prophet, they fuel the fire. And watch yourself…you said “Obama declares the Koran is the word of God” UH-OH! Getting sloppy over there (your racism is hanging out). Oh what the hell, gotta give myself a SNAP on that one.

  • Kal

    Yeah, B Hussein Obama DID say the call to prayer was the most beautiful thing…

    CAIR, ISNA, MAS, and those other “moderate” muslim rights groups (all linked to terrorists, not all indicted. YET) say NOTHING when a muslim decapitates a non-muslim.  Yet when the feds arrest a muslim in the US with bomb-making materials and jihad propaganda, those “moderates” cry foul/racism/intolerance. Why is that??

  • jennyjen

    did he say the Koran was the word of God? I’m not voting for the guy but that’s a damning statement for a presidential candidate. Surely someone advised him against it but if it’s on that teleprompter I guess he has to say it? I didn’t watch the entirity of his speech, I don’t have chest-waders, just the knee boots and it was gettin too thick for those.

  • OBAMA MAN

    Comment by jennyjen on 4 September 2008:And watch yourself…you said “Obama declares the Koran is the word of God”

    Obama Man: Will you stop your conservatives lies.  I never said that Obama said the Koran is the word of God.  I said “The Koran is a book that has been altered from the truth … it is not the word of God as Obama declares.” 

    Comment by jennyjen on 4 September 2008:Most Muslims are linked to extremism because they won’t stop the extremists.

    Obama Man: You are a hypocrite … by your logic most white people are extremists.   Wow!
     
     

  • OBAMA MAN

    Yeah, B Hussein Obama DID say the call to prayer was the most beautiful thing…
    “bomb-making materials and jihad propaganda, those “moderates” cry foul/racism/intolerance. Why is that??”

    You guys love making stuff up! Can anyone say integrity!  There are extremists but do we put them all in internment camps?  Well it is what you racist love to do to other people. Ummm! Racism exposed once again.
     

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  • http://www.yahoo.com nally

    who cares about all what y’all anti-obama, anti-progress are talking about? keep ur old conservative  mentalities to ur damn self. I don’t care how much you do to make Obama look evil, he has ma vote. americans like the way their economy and country entirely is going that is why McCain would deal with us all.  He knows our weaaknesses and is exploring it to get what he wants. i cant wait to see our great nation go down the drains as a result of our dumbness and block headednesses.

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    [...] Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright: Former Muslim | Infidels Are Cool which praised Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan. While it is admirable that Obama has been faithful (as far as we know) you progressive wouldn’t care if he had been a cheater. At least that’s what you said when Bill Clinton forced you into lowering your moral/ethical bar. What would be nice is if we could know that in spite of all of Obama’s many dalliances with those who ARE NOT married to the idea or ideals of the UNITED STATES and who have no love for this country and feel no allegiance to it (Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Auchi and even his own wife, just to name a few) that Obama was even HALF as committed to this country as John McCain, who FELL IN LOVE WITH AMERICA. Quote: [...]

  • Kal

    Nally,

    You want to talk anti-progress? How about the Democratic Party, led for now by B Hussein Obama doing EVERYTHING THEY CAN to aid the liberal environut moonbats in preventing PROGRESS by not allowing The US to become energy independent? The fact that he has your vote (I assume you meant ‘my’ when you wrote ‘ma’, unless your mother is voting for Obama), in spite of all his links to terrorists both foreign and domestic shows just how far up you rear end you have shoved your head, which is why you are drawn to the likes of B Hussein Obama and Joe Biden.

  • Tonto (USA)

    Remember, in 1864 it was the DEMOCRATS running against Lincoln who’s platform was appeasement with the South to stop the war, even to the extent of dropping the demand for emancipation of slaves and returning all runaways, post haste.  If the DEMOCRATS were unchecked, as they need to be now, slavery might even exist even now!  They wanted to throw up their hands and ALLOW SLAVERY if it would make the war stop! So, now we throw up our hands to mooslim demands and illegal immigration and whatever to APPEASE.  What a plan.

  • jennyjen

    He’s Back……
    Obama Man: The Koran is a book that has been altered from the truth … it is not the word of God as Obama declares.
    Then why is he a registered Muslim??
    And Obama Man- I gotta stand with Carolyn on this one. You calling me a racist and a hypocrite! LMAO! Takes one to know one player! Come down off your soapbox and look in a mirror! This whole thing started by me saying I won’t vote for Barak and listed 3 things that have nothing to do with race but you called me a racist. Voting for a man because of his skin color is just as bad as voting against for the same reason. It’s racism all around!

  • jennyjen

    @ Tonto and Kal- you took that pigskin and ran it to the end zone! In the words of my favorite sports announcer- “HE… COULD… GO… ALL… THE… WAY!!” And the crowd goes wild!

  • DocNavy

    Before I start, let it be known that I am an 11 year ACTIVE DUTY member of the US Navy. I am an 8404 Corpsman (IE: Combat Medic) and have been deployed to combat in both Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as numerous HD/ID (Hazardous Duty/Imminent Danger) operations to include Mindanao, East Timor and Djibouti. I am also Christian, and Caucasian… and will be voting for Mcain/Palin.
    Having said that, and knowing that “Obamaman”, and “Alonzo” will undoubtedly focus in on, and obsess over, the final 10 words of my opening statement, I think that it is entirely evident from just reading a few posts where the “hypocrisy” of thought lays. You’ve got both Alonzo and Obamaman screaming “Racism”, you both are guilty of making sweeping claims that would be considered “Racist” if reversed and spoken by a non-minority. (Emphasis mine)

    Alonzo:  “I don’t know if you are a racist, however anyone that angry with black people for expressing their pain in suffering in this country is suspectAny non black person that uses the N-word is suspect of racism”
    Hmm, this one is RIFE… let’s see, we’ve got the implied racist double standard of:
     If you are white you can’t be upset at a black person who is expressing THEIR anger. Although if you are black.. it’s ok. Moral of the story, only black people are allowed to publicly express anger about someone of a different skin color. Otherwise, you are “suspect” of being racist.
    Then there’s the CLASSIC “N” bomb double standard where if you are Black it’s ok to say it to whomever you like, but if you are white and it even touches your lips… you are “Suspect” of being racist.

    Alonzo:
    “However there are a large percentage of ethnic people who have been incarcerated who’ve never done anything (read my post above)”
    Please post a link to ANYTHING with some validity to it that states this. Otherwise, you are just spouting off unsupported racial propaganda. And let’s keep in mind that there are also examples of OBVIOUSLY guilty folks getting off the hook. (OJ Simpson ring a bell? What about William Ayers?)

    Alonzo:
    “What would you call a man who divorced his ailing wife with three kids to run off with a trophy wife worth 800 million dollars? A pig, a scumbag, something worse…? I know one thing, I would never call him President.”
    Wow!!! Hmm, there’s that crazy double standard again. At least Mcain had the decency to DIVORCE when he reaized his marriage wasn’t working…and he didn’t do it WHILE HE WAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL much less the PRESIDENT!.  My answer to your question, one word, “Lewinsky”… or “Flowers”, or “Jones”, or “Gracen”, or “Perdue”,  or “Browning”.

    Alonzo:
     ”Lincoln only suggested this because he thought whites and blacks could not live in peace.”
    Pure conjecture, link to supporting evidence please. More racist propaganda.

    Alonzo:
     ”Well you did say if Collin Power (sic) was running you would vote for him.  But that is what all people on your side of America say.  Let’s face it you guys, no matter how good a black person is you wouldn’t vote for him.”
    THIS is the most utterly RACIST comment on this whole thread. You have ZERO basis for this statement. None. It is PURELY your OPINION, and a bigotted one at that.

    Alonzo:
    “So the only conclusion that I can come to is that you guys make up things about him [Obama] because you don’t want to say you hate him because he is black.”
    Again, probably the SECOND most RACIST comment on this thread. Nobody has “Made up” anything about Obama here. Besides, even if there were some questionable comments made about him, it PALES in significance or comparison to the level of scrutiny and pure FALSE accusations tossed Sarah Palin’s way by the left.

    Alonzo:
    “By the way, slaves were not brought to a great country.  But in the words of the patriot John Brown, this was a “Guilty Nation that could only be purged by blood.”  
    The fact that you even quote this shows how you feel about America. I suppose you feel that 9/11 was a “justified reaction” too?

    Alonzo:
    “Carlos: I know some rural voters are bitter and cling to their guns.  In fact they also create militias to overtake the government. In fact, I have driven through these places and they literally give me mean looks.  I don’t know what you call it but it looks bitter to me.  Secondly, Obama needed secret service from the day he entered the race because your rural voters have been making death threats against him because he is blackIf you recall, that is why Collin Power did not run. ”
    Man, let’s see… I guess because YOU SAY you’ve had an experience that could support Obama’s statement that makes it true. ok. Well, using YOUR logic and based on MY experience I can then conclude that the alleged comment made by Paul Hammond that “All black people stink!” is in fact true because I have met one or two african-Americans that.. well… stunk.  As to your second part, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE supporting your claim that Colin POWELL refused to run because of “death threats”. Link something please.

    Man, I could just go on and on.. but I have things to do. Alonzo, Obamaman… you might want to look around to see if the walls of your house are made of glass, you guys have been throwing some pretty big stones.
    Doc

  • Kal

    DocNavy,

    I served a tour in the United States Air Force, and my brother served a tour in the United States Navy, aboard the USS Bataan. I, rather we (Infidels Are Cool) salute you and thank you for your service.

    Regarding your replies to Obamamanalonzo (FYI it is the same person posting under different usernames) – WOW, if we had the funds we’d put you on payroll! :D

  • DocNavy

    Thanks,
    I was just doing some research on the candidates and this site popped up. After reading some of what has been posted on this thread I just HAD to speak up. I’m a straight talker, and I like the people I converse with to be straight with me. One of the things that drives me up the wall with today’s new left is that they seem to thrive on double-talk, rhetoric, and it some cases outright falsehoods. How can ANYONE make a solid decision with a group of people advising you that refuse to tell you straight??
    Obama is a PERFECT example of this. The guy is an empty vessel. Less than 200 days in the Senate with, what… over 170 “Present” votes? On top of that he’s missed some heavy hitting decisions that needed voting on in the Senate while he’s been campaigning. Jeesh, is that what passes for “leadership” in the Democratic Party? Take a stand, Man!! Something! Anything! He talks about being agaist the War from the beginning…I don’t think that when the vote came down to “Go”, or “No Go” on Iraq, having the position of “Present” counts as being AGAINST the War. It’s called, “Fence-sitting”.
    Again, look at his buzz phrase of “Change we can believe in”. The guy is totally incapable of expressing EXACTLY what kind of change he is proposing. Other than talking about slashing the Defence budget (A completely standard Dem policy. So much so that whenever a Dem is elected the US military takes it as a GIVEN, and plans for smaller budgets.) and hiking the taxes on the “Wealthy” (Another standard Dem policy. “Punish the rich, it’s all their fault!”) he’s given us bupkiss on his version of “Change”.
    Personally, I think the reason he’s been vague about his “Change” is because his DSA “Handlers” haven’t figured out which aspect of socialism to try to foist on the Amarican public yet. That just MY opinion though. I bet old “Richard” up there at the top of this thread would agree with me though.
    Doc 

  • DocNavy

    Should have added this:

    “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.”
    – Norman Thomas, American socialist
    Doc

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    DOC:
    Absolutely 100% Right.  Elect John McCain/Sarah Palin or Obama will serve our head up on a platter to Iran, etc etc etc.  Obama and Michelle hate America, and is our countries worst enemy to date.  Note: Read my comments on AdMADinjad’S Worst Enemy  – Women.  He’s got that right.  HELL HATH NO FURRY!

    The polls today are wrong, another of Obama’s mean tricks.  Read Michelle Malkin and find out more of what SOBBHO has been up to.
    NRA is now after BHO’s a$$!   Good for them.  Great report on FOX!!  That girl got hot with Bill Burton, told him to hush, it was her show and she was doing the interview.  Burton was giving an opinion NOT the facts, against a NRA ad.  So he shut up.  YOU GO GIRL!  WOMEN SPEAK UP AND PRAY!  “get’er done!”

  • jennyjen

    DocNavy, excellent! Thanks for your service, my great uncle was a cook in the navy during WW2 on a ship in the south Pacific. I have nothing but gratitude towards the men and women that serve this country!
    The creeping Socialism is coming with BHO and hopefully he will be stopped. Carolyn hits it, the Obamas hate America. I read Michelle’s little Princeton paper and damned if my computer isn’t right by the kitchen! I was ready to get beni-hana on that ass! Her racism shows worse than her crows feet!

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Jennyjen: good one on crows feet!  Michelle’s temporary cure: MO can use a ton of preparation H for crows feet, but she still would scare a buzzard off a gut wagon.  MO’s hatred that pours out of that ugly mouth of hers, with demonic envy of all Americans is eating her up from the inside out, and there is no cure.
    When Obama loses sight of his teleprompter he’s a goner.  No cure for that, which is a good thing, can’t wait until the debates.  He can’t remember what, where, when, go figure?  Pray for the confusion of the enemy, pretty confused already!  YEA!

  • Liz

    I’m with you Carolyne…Confusion to the enemy. maybe they’ll all turn on each other and slaughter each other and it will all be over.  It’s happened before. Biblically speaking. Lots of people in S. Cali calling for 40 days of prayer and fasting starting today for the election.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com carolyne

    Liz great, I could use some fasting and our country needs the prayer.  What a day!  Dick Morris (he has grown on me lately) said tonight Palin was McCain’s first great move, and today was his second. I agree.  Morris said, McCain has the solution and that will put him on top the rest of the time.  Piss Ant Obama blunder was today,  just call me when you need me, attitude.  Well guess what, we don’t need you Mr. Obama or want to ever call you.  Obama you are NOT. . 
    I repeat, NOT WANTED OR NEEDED.  Sleep well my friends knowing all is well.

  • DocNavy

    Agreed.
    I reference my earlier post:

    “The guy [Obama} is an empty vessel. Less than 200 days in the Senate with, what… over 170, “Present” votes? On top of that he’s missed some heavy hitting decisions that needed voting on in the Senate while he’s been campaigning. Jeesh, is that what passes for “leadership” in the Democratic Party? Take a stand, Man!! Something! Anything!”
    I guess they should make a new classification of senatorial vote, “Not Present, but there in Spirit”. Now Obama (and the rest of the Dems) seem to think that McCain is some some sort of sneaky, devious, sly fox because there’s a CRISIS in the US and he wants to get back to the seat of leadership and LEAD!!
    You know, sometimes I feel like “Mugatu” from the movie Zoolander when I hear some of the crazy stuff that comes from the left… “Mugatu- What’s going on!! I feel like I’ve been taking CRAZY PILLS!!”
    Doc

  • http://allthenewsthatfits.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/ideas-have-meanings-actions-have-consequences/ Ideas Have Meanings, Actions Have Consequences « All The News That Fits

    [...] Jeremiah Wright: Former Muslim  This might explain why Obama felt at home in Rev. Wright’s church [...]

  • PAUL REVERE

    This is a real weird site, opens in April, pops up again in May/Jun goes dormant again until August. Seems who ever forwards it only does so in times where McCain is falling apart, and it does not take rocket science to figure it out. This is a McCain sponsored site and should state so if any credibility is to be given . I love finding these sites, run by bigots and half wits who have no upbringing or up brining by the same seed parentswho are also half wits and racists.If Jeremiah was a bulfrog it wouldn’t matter as he is not running . Nothing but a track left by the foaming mouth for evidence on the slight of hand trying to say Obama was a Muslim for 31 years?? What kind of but wipe material is this??

  • PALINROCKS!

    The thing about it is some people care about and are aware of certain things going on. How can someone go to a church for 20 years and then just say that it had no effect on them? Barack Obama smooths one lie on top of the other and people just eat it up. Character is the issue. Muslims want world domination, it is in the Koran. They are trying to move up to places of high authority in the US so they can start controlling everything. We are ‘infedels’ if we don’t submit to Allah. It sounds crazy to some, but it is the truth. People really need to wake up.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/biggershovel biggershovel

    Obama man: Most violent crimes in the US are committed by either African Americans or Latinos– that's an incontrovertible FACT.

    In fact, far more African Americans have been (and continue to be) attacked and murdered by other African Americans than by whites.

    I won't call you an idiot either. You are a hypocrite. (And a racist–but anyone who gets as much mileage out of being a racist as yourself must have noticed that racism can be a very valuable tool to get what you want with).

    .

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Blue_Collar Blue_Collar

    Obama man is a hippy. shut up and leave us with brains alone

  • itsme

    I feel sorry for white now that feel like there views are being left out. Its sad seeing all the weird, painful and hateful comments. I wonder the ages of the most hateful, or their social economic status in life. I wonder what they have been taught as children. I'm black, look black.. and short to boot. I've grown to have a soft spot for the disenfranchised yet I can not engage myself in it. Gezz these country only accepts me to fail, and doing a yo mens job of making it difficult. But work to perserver – I have no choice and really I want to.. I'm american and that's what Americans do. We pull ourselves up from our boot straps and win and work and strive.

    Whats all this business about drugs and crime – that's lack of self love and education… lack of self love comes from the torrent of negative stereotypes we see on tv. LIke cops – producers of Cops will tell… white amercia is not interested in white crime.. they want to see white cops jacking blacks… its good for ratings.. but awfule for black families and black children. It also drives fear into people who dont know any black people. I even get scared of black people.. but I watch tv… its not really true. Not really… but you have to know many black people to actually say its not true. Not the 6:00 news.. blacks killing blacks or black criminals or alleged etc..is great TV.

    My daughter is college bound and she was writing a paper that wanted a 1500 word answer. The question was "Can we trust our senses to know what is true" I have been helping her figure this out and there is no real easy answer to this…. We finally came to the realization that Truth is in your beliefs… so truth is what you believe in. Data = truth and senses= state of mind (for the most part)… so one can believe the data and thats it. Others believe in themselves and create truth. Well it goes on and on, my point is.

    Life is a journey, some of us are dealt a good hand and some of us are not. Like any card game, cards are re dealt and you could get a good hand. Blacks since we we're pretty much taken over and blasted by the slave trade were dealt and bad hand.

    But slowly and not so steadily the hands is getting better. So good white and black people, lets try to do something different when the hand is in our favor… lets not repeat history if we can help it.

    Yes I'm all over the place – but I feel good I wrote a few words.

  • Repiglicans Suk

    Never in my life have I seen such small-minded, mean-spirited, knee-jerk reactionism concentrated in one place. Is it any wonder the Republicans have LOST AND KEEP ON LOOSING since 2004? I have a suggestion: take your "seed capital" and go "seed" a society where slavery is again legal (so you don't have to pay workers a living wage). Build an education system built on religious chicanery, where mythology and personal opinion is taught as science, and then scratch your collective empty head as to why your nation is at the bottom of the economic and technological scrap heap. Your policies, values, and agendas have FAILED MISERABLY and have been rejected by the LARGEST MAJORITY OF AMERICAN VOTERS IN OVER 100 YEARS. Good bye, and good riddance.

  • http://weroinnm.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/has-president-elect-obama-used-alinsky%e2%80%99s-rules-in-the-past/ Has President Elect Obama Used Alinsky’s Rules In The Past? « A Nation ADrift-Why?
  • semus

    Richard

    What you wrote exemplifies why we are in very big trouble. The stupidity and ignorance displayed above “They are 2 different things”. Oh yes what a patriot Wright is, the line forms at the rear to get your head sawed off.

    The founding fathers had stellar military records didn't they. Hitler fought in WWI, so he was a patriot so of course everyone should follow him. A little heads up, you are not a patriot in America if you hate your country. Wright spews ignorance, stupidity, and hatred.

    Where would the Democrats be without Ignorance, Stupidity, and Hatred. As a voter you should be angry that they know they can count on this from you. I repeat we are are in trouble.

  • semus

    He's also a lying sack of sh*t

  • MariaLouisa

    “…So the question is, why hasn’t anyone mentioned the fact that he’s a former Muslim? Could this be why Obama’s church posted a Hamas manifesto in the Trinity Church program last year? It obviously explains Wright’s affinity with Louis Farrakhan. It also explains more why Rev. Wright got his Masters degree in “Islam in West Africa”

    This is just another blow to the Obama campaign. The American people are not ready to hand the reins to someone who’s associations are beyond sketchy…”

    Oh dear – but we did and he has knelt before the Saudi king and we have kaddafi here on a visit, and the bomber got let out of Scotland – with an ok from the WH, and Obama had a big feast for Ramadan – but canceled National Prayer day.

    So here we are…we handed over the reins – and now he reigns at least for a time.

  • Jacky

    SICK BUT NOT SURPRISING-ONCE A MUSLIM ALWAYS A MUSLIM AND THAT HOLDS TRUE FOR NOMOREBAMA—– IF IF WALKS LIKE A MUSLIM, TALKS LIKE A MUSLIM ITS A MUSLIM ALLRIGHT…. WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE ITS TO LATE…

  • Jenny

    WAKE up and listen to your Messiah BO's own words!! He admits he ia Muslime!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSz

  • Jenny

    WAKE up and listen to your Messiah BO's own words!! He admits he ia Muslime!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSz

  • Solkhar

    I look at the item and comments and laugh. I am certain down to almost the last Muslims do not consider the Nation of Islam to be a Muslim, unless of course you are one of them. Add to that, every NOI follower whom converted to Islam understood the difference.

    Perhaps the argument he re has nothing to do with Muslims or Islam at all, but rather since the vast bulk of the posters here are ….let us say …..not supporters of Obama or the Democrats, thus looking to brand the guy something that they do not really have much value on (or knowledge if you read some of the crap below).

  • lin a former Demorat

    Keep laughing until TRUTH hits you in the face. Obozo has already admitted he is a Muslime!! Dodn't you hear his speech at the UN wherein he said ” I AM A MUSLIME!!! WAKE UP. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim!! Just look at that freak that tried to bomb the plane! ANOTHER MohamMAD! Another stinking low-life mooslum piece of child molesting filth that should be shot and sewn into the skin of a dirty pig and thrown into the river. Now just think of this, they are doing all the bombings for the sake of some moon god allah. KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!

  • linformerdemorat

    Itsme, you need to get RID of the chip on your shoulder. You know you can easily go back to Africa — nobody is holding you hostage here. WHY haven't you done so if you think life sucks here? hmmmm…..why hang around here and moan and groan? Do you want to spend your life being a whiner? Look at Oprah aka Okra – how come she made her millions here and remains a racist like you? Look at Toger Woods. How come he made his millions in THIS country? Take your BLACK mask OFF and start living like an AMERICAN or just go back to Africa!! Some sane BLACKS have already woken up to the fact that Obozo is a FRAUD. Check this link. VIDEO* ” I should NEVER have supported Barack Obama “
    YouTube – I Never Should Have Supported Barack Obama
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcXcB996RKg

  • linformerdemorat

    Never in my life eh? Thats like Michaele Obozo saying ” Never in my life have I been proud of this country” You people spew hate, hate America and when TRUTH hits you in the face, you call it 'hate” or you fling the word “racist' around. That kind of crap is getting old and doesn't work anymore.

    Republivans lost since 2004? And what happened to the Rats PRIOR to 2004? Any clue? Checked the polls lately? Your Messiah is DROPPING LIKE A ROCK – NEVER BFORE in HISTORY has a President had such LOW numbers in the first year!! LOLOLOL

    The guy has proven to all ( except for those still on kool aid) that he is a MARXIST, a COMMUNIST and a SOCIALISTS!! He has also proven to be a grade A LIAR. Wake up and smell the ross. He is evil.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qhnaLzZzrA&NR=1

  • linformerdemorat

    WAKE UP AND LISTEN TO OBOZO's own words admitting that he is a crazed Muslim!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSz

  • linformerdemorat

    Obozo himself said he IS a Muslim. Listen to his own words

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSz

  • Solkhar

    Not interested in trash, anyone can cut and paste items to suite there needs. In fact I just witnessed two blog comments that made you look like a dickhead,….oh wait, they were not edited and they were from you!!!!

    I do not give much of an opinion either way for Obama, but all I care is about accuracy and attacking immature political bullsh*t of which you have shown, thus making you valueless.

    Obama is certainly not a Muslim, in his Cairo Speech he could not even pronounce correclty the word Hijab and said Hajib. There are something like 12 main errors in his speech which only non-Muslims make.

    Give us all a break and return that head of yours back into your arsehole were it obviously has been hybernating.

  • linformerdemorat

    Huh?? What?? Your Messiah's OWN words admitting that he IS a Muslime is trash? LOLOL

    Yeah he is a trashy Commie/Muslim/Marxist

    Here it is again. LISTEN up AND WEAP!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSz

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com/ ljcarolyne

    FORMER, my hind foot. Wright only said that to get illegal funding for their illegal propaganda in that Godless devil worshiping trinity (so called church). Wright is now behind a locked gated community to be able to keep his gay lifestyle in tact. Wonder how many times he has conjugal visits with the POTUS, Rahm and their pals?
    Storm Rider: Yes this is taqiyya to the max. I wanted to round off the comments to 230. Lack just one.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com/ ljcarolyne

    Last One: I've told everyone I know about Taqiyya. Thanks for that info. Very valuable in these days and times.
    Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright: Former Muslim
    resource in regards to taqiyya – deception by Muslims. Pretending to be a Christian can be an act of taqiyya.

    http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islam

  • http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2008/04/trinity-ucc-experts-proclaim-national-sacred-conversation-on-race/ Gateway Pundit

    [...] Infidels Are Cool wonders why more has not been said about Obama’s pastor being a former radicalized Muslim? [...]

  • http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2010/08/21/the-sultans-eekly-roundup-obama-akbar/ THE SULTAN’S EEKLY ROUNDUP-OBAMA AKBAR | RUTHFULLY YOURS

    [...] country. Then he went to Trinity Church and found a mentor there in the form of Jeremiah Wright. Wright was a former Black Muslim, his sermons still sound more Muslim than Christian, with their rantings about America, and obvious [...]

  • http://justpiper.com/2010/08/obama-akbar-yes-i-am/ Obama Akbar ~ Yes I Am | Just Piper

    [...] country. Then he went to Trinity Church and found a mentor there in the form of Jeremiah Wright. Wright was a former Black Muslim, his sermons still sound more Muslim than Christian, with their rantings about America, and obvious [...]

  • Waymon

    And it came to pass that the American people researched the Internet; read books, and learned the real truth about America. They found out that it was a Negro who owned the first slave, that our history had been rewritten by the Progressive elite, that Negro’s helped George Washington to defeat the British. It was President Eisenhower who wrote the first bill to stop the evil practice of segregation.

    And it came to pass that the people realized that Obama and Reverend Wright were one in the same. It became evident that they both hated America; especially the Constitution and our Founding Fathers. The people were so sad because they had elected Obama, their first white/black President. He could have helped America but he was filled with hate and quick to condemn America for its mistakes, but not praise her for all the good she had done. It was evident he cannot help it. He was a great pretender. He pretended to be a Christian but his actions yell out from his sub-conscience, “I am a Muslim.”

    The American people prayed for President Obama but their prayers were in vein. Obama was a narcissist. He was a Progressive. The people said, “He could have unify the blacks and whites but he only divided us more.” If he had been a man of character he would have recognized and combated the evil haters in America.

    And it came to pass that Americans realized that they must love all of their brothers; especially those who are misguided; filled with hate and do not know it. They prayed that Christ would convert Obama and help him to realize that Rev. Wright was wrong, but their prayers were not answered for Obama.

    The American people defeated the professional politicians and replaced them with people of character. They took back their country from evil men and women.

  • SirWilhelm

    I started watching this again, and I was struck by the thought that I have never heard Obama quote the Bible, or praise Christianity. I’m already convinced he is a closet Muslim, but, this, I think, is another piece of evidence supporting that. The only time he, or his administration, talks about his Christianity, is when they have to defend the idea he is a Christian, to deny accusations he’s not a Christian, that he is a Muslim. As we all know actions speak louder than words, and his actions support Islam in a way they do not support his supposed Christianity. I will never forget his comment “We are no longer a Christian nation”. They have become even more ominous each day that passes since then.

  • Redneck63625

    Only when this communist with three Moslem names and a Marxist agenda is finally driven from office, will the Jews’ Media finally begin to scrutinize him. They will suddenly “discover” that Obama is, indeed, a Moslem, and that he is not a native-born American citizen, either.

    Hell, they may even eventually discover that Keynesian economics doesn’t work, and that the endless transfer of wealth from those who produce to those who do not, can’t be sustained!

    I’m sure that they will seek and eventually find a new Marxist hero and “deliverer,” which should give the rest of us about 20 years to clean-up the mess they’ve made…

  • http://gulagbound.com/3948/will-the-real-barack-hussein-obama-ii-please-stand-up Will The Real Barack Hussein Obama II Please Stand Up?

    [...] More fuel for the fire: Obama’s Pastor Jeremiah Wright: Former Muslim (and fellow Marxist – original article seems to be scrubbed) After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright’s church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for “Buppies”–black urban professionals–and didn’t have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.” White House press conference: No American flag and looks like Middle Eastern bling-blin [...]

  • Web Designing Karachi

    Nice & good article on the subject of Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright: Former Muslim. Thank you for sharing.

  • http://ingunowners.com/forums/general_political_discussion/110865-for_the_first_time_in_my_life_i_m_proud_of_this_president-4.html#post1329292 For the first time in my life I’m proud of this president – Page 4 – INGunOwners

    [...] [...]

  • http://state-of-the-nation.com/2816/great-explanation-obama-muslim-read-judge/ Great Explanation: Obama is a Muslim; don’t believe it? Then read this and judge for yourself… : State of the Nation
  • Ed White

    I feel that all of this is out of my hands. Im posting long after this Muslim betrayed the American people. The world now hails Obama as the Savior. All this must come to pass for the creators Word to be fulfilled. Fear not, beleivers will see judgement of those who caim Gods works as their own.

  • Kal_El

    Actually, more and more people are starting to realize what an utterly incompetent leader Obama is. And his firmest supporters are now waking up and realizing what morons they were to piss away their vote in 2008.

  • Beejj

    It’s quite common to refer to the President and First Lady as Potus and Flotus, yes? I suggest, instead, Flatus & Flotus.

  • Anonymous

    I thought that a muslim could not convert, from being a muslim to be a chrisian????
    I know that my comment is a bit late here but I still wonder how this coud be????

  • SirWilhelm

    In Muslim dominated countries, they would try to kill him. In America, you can get away with it. But then, is he really a Christian? His church teaches Black Liberation Theology, Collective Salvation, and posted articles on it’s website that supported Hamas. Muslims are allowed to deceive infidels, so he may well still be a Muslim in all but name, and wouldn’t that be an ideal church for other Muslims that were trying to conceal their religious affiliation from infidels? Like Obama, perhaps?

  • Sheldon

    I don`t see black nationalism as a threat, it is white supremacy and white imperialism that is the real threat. Not only against black people but around the world.

  • Hellosnackbar

    Clearly you’re nonwhite with an inferiority complex.
    White imperialism??? that’s an expression from the 19th century.
    I suspect that your lack of talent has given you a personality problem?
    What do you do for a living?
    Of course if you’re a Mohammedan then give it up and embrace Western culture.

     

  • Guest

     ”Mohammedan” is an expression from the 19th century.

  • Anonymous

    Mohammadan is an apt term as mohammadans strive to be just like mohammad.

    It is actually older than 19th century, btw. If you find the term offensive good. Everything about islam and its adherents is egregiously offensive.

    White imperialism is a term intended to guilt trip caucasians and it seems to be working as many of them postulate themselves like groveling servants to people who deserve nothing but contempt.

  • Beejj

    “Mohammedan” dates from the late 17th Century. You dislike the word? I think it entirely appropriate, given that it immediately suggests a follower of the chap who invented Allah and all the associated humbug and mind-shrivelling rituals and restrictions and threats that hold its adherents in thrall. Beastly business.

  • Kusu Mitch Rose

    So the hell what! Romney is Mormon…they’ve been race haters for years

  • SirWilhelm

    Wright is a supposedly “former” Muslim, so he has been exposed to the “culture” that supports taqiyya, kitman, and dawa.
    Saying Wright’s church is simply the Black version of White Supremecy, does not justify it. And any White supremicist church, or organization, can not compete with the scale of Black Supremecy, if it is backed up by 1.5 billion Muslims. Wright’s church bragged on it’s website, at one time, that it had several Muslim members. What Muslim would belong to a truly Chirstian church?

  • Anonymous

    taqiyya is right on. its the master of lying. any so called religion that bases itself on a lie is not a religion. (you can call it a religion but its not- that again is the lie- get it!) also the others who are masters at deception are the Russians- they live by the code. and from what I heard Hitler met with the Muslims in the 30′s to continue to cause. there is a black and white viewing of this that has circled here and there. interestingly enough they all have the same goals.

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