Video: Angry Muslim woman attacks Christian man after he says “Mohammed was a pedophile”
1:53 am on July 30, 2008 by Infidelesto
What starts out as a peaceful debate between a Christian man and a Muslim woman quickly turns violent when the Christian claims “Mohammed was a pedophile” which spurs the usual reaction from the religion of peace…uncontrollable violent outrage…
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jaujau on 30 July 2008:
Where was this video taken? That is one ballsy street preacher.
Always On Watch on 30 July 2008:
I have the same question: Where did this happen? It looks as if it could be in a mall or an airport.
Philip Saenz on 30 July 2008:
Pedophile and rapist Muhammad took little Aisha to bed when the child was only at the age of eight years nine months according to the solar calendar, actually on their first date. So what else can you call a sex craved horny guy like Muhammad who did this? In a civilized society, an SOB of that caliber is always called a pedophile and rapist. In a sick society where Islam is practiced, it is called a “legal marriage” even though the child protests and cries.
Aisha was still playing with dolls when child molester Muhammad raped her. Besides being a slave owner, murderer, wife beater, a narcissist, Muhammad was one mentally sick, depraved SOB. Muhammad was the filthiest most depraved human animal ever created.
Mark on 30 July 2008:
Another fine example of the ever loving religion of peace!
Infidelesto on 30 July 2008:
@Always On Watch: Not sure, I’ve been searching for more information on the video, but haven’t been able to find it.
dm60462 on 30 July 2008:
Where can I make a donation to this guy’s street ministry?
Ziggy on 30 July 2008:
And the congregation says “AY-men” !!!!!
jennyjen on 30 July 2008:
He called her and Islam out and all she could do was resort to violence! That was a great video, Infidelesto, we gotta find this guy and get more footage.
Sam on 30 July 2008:
Muhammad was a pedophile by today’s standards. Muslims who are offended by this fact, should look towards their own religion rather than attacking others for pointing it out.
Accusing a prophet of being a pedophile sounds outrageous. Yet the evidence is undeniable: Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.” This is how it happened: Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.” Given a choice, I believe most people would prefer to get their spiritual inspiration from someone who wasn’t a sexual predator.
Muhammad struggled to justify his behavior. Bukhari:V9B86N98 “The Prophet said, ‘A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.’ ‘O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent.’ He said, ‘By remaining silent.’” Bukhari:V9B87N139-40 “Allah’s Apostle told Aisha, ‘You were shown to me twice in my dreams [a.k.a. sexual fantasies]. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, “She is yours, so uncover her.” And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, “If this is from Allah, then it must happen.”‘” Allah not only approved pedophilia, he insisted upon it. That makes the Islamic god as perverted as his prophet.
Since fifty-three-year-old pedophiles are not prophet material, I want to give Islam every possible opportunity to clear this up. The next Hadith is from Aisha. Tabari VII:7 “There are special features in me that have not been in any woman except for what Allah bestowed on Maryam bt. Imran [She was referring to Mary, the mother of Jesus, although she didn't know her name or her father's name, and none of the "features" applied]. I do not say this to exalt myself over any of my companions.’ ‘What are these.’ someone asked. Aisha replied, ‘The angel brought down my likeness [she was a babe]; the Messenger married me when I was seven; my marriage was consummated when I was nine [she was abused]; he married me when I was a virgin, no other man having shared me with him [she was a child]; inspiration came to him when he and I were in a single blanket [she "inspired" him]; I was one of the dearest people to him; a verse of the Qur’an was revealed concerning me when the community was almost destroyed [she inspired Allah]; and I saw Gabriel when none of his other wives saw him [she lied].’” Think about the implications of what she just said. Muhammad was “inspired” - a Qur’an surah was handed down while the prophet was having sex with a little girl. Allah didn’t find pedophilia the least bit troubling.
Philip Saenz on 30 July 2008:
A depraved sex fiend, paedophile, child molester, like Muhammad didn’t need inspiration. That SOB should have been slain with a sword right there and then as the dog Muhammad brutally raped little Aisha.
Jeff on 30 July 2008:
Religion of peace right there !
MarZutra on 30 July 2008:
Fabulous. These Koanimals should at least be informed of their own faith before insulting others. Savages….
Kal-El on 30 July 2008:
We ought to join his congregation, be it in person, via live video feed, whatever. He is one good man, join him and we become many. Can we write him in on the ballot for POTUS? At least he is honest about the main threat we face today.
Jeff on 30 July 2008:
At 1 minute 42 listen to what the woman says “Don’t talk about my prophet, I’LL KILL YOU. “
Jeff on 30 July 2008:
Look under the posted video, I have the audio, just made it.
http://mosquewatch.blogspot.com/2008/07/video-young-muslim-woman-punches-pastor.html
Religion of peace !!!!!
Tonto (USA) on 30 July 2008:
I guess I’m not a very good Christian because I probably would have slapped the shit out of the muslimanazi bitch. I do not agree that we westerners must bend over bacwards for these foriegn animals. They can keep their islamibullshit at home. Don’t bring it here. I FIND IT OFFENSIVE.
Kal-El on 30 July 2008:
@ Tonto,
No worries, I would have given you a ride to Confession, where I am sure you would have been absolved of your transgression.
#1infidel on 30 July 2008:
What a stupid bitch!
Muslim Jack on 31 July 2008:
At that time people used to marry at that age yes, but Christians were doing that also, so don’t you just talk filth without knowing the facts..
Moreover it was not ok to sleep with such a small girl , just marriage, and no sex until she’s a teen,, anyway does not look ok now, but Your families used to do that also, long time ago.
You fucked up assholes, you look like rats, collecting filth and talking about it in a sewage tunnel.. you really look like that,,
wake up, or say something logical with proofs, not like the non-sense stories, like girl in the swing,,,
I can tell u Christ had many affairs, and he’s just the son of Mary , of undeclared affair, and we the best excuse to give to people that, HE’S GOD..
Cheers.
Dan, Fl on 31 July 2008:
I am disgusted with how sensitive this country has become toward Muslims and how intolerant of Christianity. America LET’S U practice your religion the way U want, U damn well better respect the other religions or GET THE HELL OUT OF THE USA AND GO LIVE SOMEWHERE WHERE U CAN DICTATE! If U can’t live your live without trying to force others to abide by your rules and beliefs then I think U all should be exterminated like roaches including your women and children because U stick bombs on them and sacrifice them anyway.
ender on 31 July 2008:
jacks own words “Moreover it was not ok to sleep with such a small girl , just marriage, and no sex until she’s a teen”
muhammed the paedophile married a six year old and had sex with her when she was nine, still not a teen, so maybe you should read some more. besides saudi arabia has given the ok that women are eligible for marriage at the age of one, but reccommends waiting for the sex till they are physically able. that is so sweet and caring of them. but is that before or after they cut off the clitoris?
such a wonderful “religion of peace”wink wink
julius on 31 July 2008:
Older guys like younger girls/women.Woody allen,Jerry Lee Lewis,Steven Segal,just to name a few,They are weak pieces of Shit since thier level of testosterone has decreased and they need to feel powerful,These so callled celebraties along with Mohamed justify thier actions with there false power.However they dont care what the public or conscience tells them,Before they go seducing/molesting little children they should find”Real God”,One of strength,abstinence or consumatiom,And if the child who was with Mohamed was only 9 years old is this of the modern calender system or an ancient one,could someone tell me,Thanks,Keep it real and just,May the real god be with you,(interpepation open for disscusion,NOT JIHAD,ASSHOLES.
Frances on 31 July 2008:
What a stupid, disgusting woman, I hope she was arrested.
Stephen Gash on 31 July 2008:
Where muslims form form the minority they intmidate and make demands on the majority - with violence.
Where muslims form the minority, they find a smaller minority, to ethnically cleanse, as in Gellerup in Denmark - with violence.
Where muslims form the majority they persecute and commit genocide on minority communities.
The West should have nothing to do with muslims, if the West wants to survive as a free democratic system.
The violent woman in the video should be deported to Saudi Arabia where she would find true islamic happiness!
Ziggy on 31 July 2008:
Hey Muslim Jack,
But your moon-god worshipping pederast was the PERFECT man, right???? He’s the one that your moon-god handed the “holy” koran, right??? because we are ALL supposed to bow down and live like he did ?? And that is why this “hag in a bag” in the video was entitled to slap the minister, because he told the truth about old Mo (Piss Be Upon Him)..
Now you say ”But Mom, EVERYBODY was doing it back then so if he was fucked in the head it was because EVERYBODY else was too”.
Which is it, was he fucked in the head like everybody else or was he perfect and we should ALL do the horizontal boogy with nine year-olds
Kal-El on 31 July 2008:
Muslim Jack(ass),
You say Jesus had many affairs, but where is your proof??? Our proof that Muhammad was a pedophile, a rapist, a thief, and a terrorist is in the quran. That is why we call it the book of death. It compels muslims to kill. That is our logical proof. I could easily tell you Muhammad was a good human being, but that would make us both liars.
Philip Saenz on 31 July 2008:
Muslim Jack, the truth is that so-called Christians are still raping little girls. However, real Christians condemn this action, and the perpetrator is punished. Some of the so-called mormons that the law caught a few months will get jail time after the courts condemn them.
In Muhammad’s time, Muslim lechers forced little girls to marry them, and then the Muslim animal raped these little girls without their consent. Even today in the backward Muslim world, it is permissible to “marry” little girls and then rape them. If you’re a real human being you will condemn these Muslim animals that are raping little girls.
Just because long ago so-called Christian lechers “married” little girls and then raped them, does’nt give the Muslim lechers the right to do that also today.
Little Aisha was raped when the child was 8 years and 9 months old if you apply the solar calendar. The Muslims at the time used the lunar calendar, so by the lunar calendar, little Aisha was “nine” years old.
P.S. “Be ruthless to the infidels,” (Sura 48 Verse 29). This sura is taken from the Muslim War Manual, the Qur’an.
“Make war on the infidels around you,” (Sura 9 Verse 123 and Sura 66 Verse 9, from the Muslim War Manual, the Qur’an).
There are about 108 aggressive passages in the Muslim War Manual that are somewhat similar.
P.P.S. If you are a nice so-called Muslim, you are not a real Muslim simply because you’re not obeying the Muslim War Manual, the Qur’an. In fact, you might be a very good Christian without knowing it.
carolyne on 31 July 2008:
That woman is one abused - brain washed - born to kill - straight from hell woman. She is doing the dirty work of her ‘god of this world Satan.’ Out of control, and a pure D example of what Muslims are all about.
Crazy Sick Minded Haters to the bone!
Jeff on 31 July 2008:
Seems a whole lot of anger, but no solution. How’s this grab you ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfMSFjAoO3g
PRCalDude on 31 July 2008:
The minister was Sam Shamoun, a Christian Arab. This is his ministry:
http://www.answering-islam.org
carolyne on 1 August 2008:
Yea lot of anger, and there is (only) one solution!
I wish i was Aisha then on 7 August 2008:
well for who ever thinks that they have a complete picture of what happened there between mohamed the purest man on earth and aisha the little virgin girl know that he married her when she was nine and slept with her when she was 12 which means she was a grown woman physically p.s she was on her period. so when they got intimate it was with her own will and if you go back to the history you will see that she was in love with the 50 years old man you call pedophile now that married her not because he didnt have a wife to get intimate with but because he was commaned by Allah to do so and again if you go back in the history of this pure man mohamed you will see that all his life was about obeying Almighty Allah. again if you logically search for a reason as in why did Allah asked him to do so you will see that Aisha was the youngest wife of mohamed and she passed on to our islamic nation what we call Hadith which is According to Muhaddithiin [scholars of hadith] it stands for ‘what was transmitted on the authority of the Prophet, his deeds, sayings, tacit approval, or description of his sifaat (features) meaning his physical appearance. Therefore her younge brain served islam and its nation which i am one of after mohamed passed away.
did you people know that when mohamed died he died on her chest, did you know that the grave of who you dared to call a pedophile was in the same room that Aisha slep so tell me now and you can ask any number of pedophile’s victems would they do the same well in your face the answer will be NO because they hate them most so logically and excluding any faith background WHY ON EARTH WOULD SHE DO WHAT SHE DID IF HE WAS A PEDPPHILE AND HE DID HURT HER??
Before offending others religion please mind your if you have any and dont speak out of ignorance. i disagree with the reaction of my sister in the video yet i totally disagree with the manner of the christian man who offended a whole religion beacuase of his disability to answer the qs she asked.
carolyne on 7 August 2008:
You fool don’t you know what a Betrayal Bond is - the victim, as with any abuse case, has a brain hormone that turns the mind into becoming a slave and protector of the one that is abusing them. It’s a Known fact, get your facts straight because you are so screwed on this one. Not surprised at this at all and you are speaking out of ignorance and hate that has been taught to you wrong, You never go beyond what you are taught, too bad, so sad!
(example) People that have been held hostage sometimes fall in love with the one that is holding them hostage. Your Muslim religion is the devil itself, an evil sickness that should be eradicated from the earth.
Read the Betrayal Bond, as it tells just what happens to the mind in those abuse cases.
Ziggy on 9 August 2008:
Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”
MoonGod worshippers dancing around a rock with a silver vagina on the side.
Carlos Mencia on 9 August 2008:
Carolyne,I think you are referring to what is also known as Stockholm Syndrome. Aisha,How do I say “DEE DEE DEE!” In Arabic, and Farsi?
carolyne on 9 August 2008:
What ever you call it - it’s pretty bad. Richard J Cairns (I think) wrote Betrayal Bond, and this is sick perversion and then some.
carolyne on 9 August 2008:
Ziggy - NINE YEARS OLD ? ? ? ? ? THAT IS GODLESS! ! ! ! !
MOONgod DEVIL WORSHIP - MOHAM-MAD IS BORN OF HIS FATHER SATAN! NO HOPE FOR HIS FOLLOWERS!
Jes on 10 August 2008:
Christianity hasn’t given us much either. I say dump all the Abrahamic religions. Nothing but war and bloodshed follows them.
threatening children with eternal damnation in fire is no different than this woman attacking this man. It’s child abuse.
Kal on 10 August 2008:
Jes, War and bloodshed were around LONG before Christianity, and all Abrahamic religions too. Human nature is self destructive. Look at all the idiots who pollute their bodies with drugs and kill themselves. As for the threatening kids with eternal damnation, I don’t consider that abuse, I was told that a few times as a kid, and it kept me in line. Unlike those spoiled rejects today who have zero discipline and feel they are entitled a living at the expense of others. I bet if they had been threatened with eternal damnation, they might be a bit more willing to get off their asses and make something of themselves. May I ask, do you feel spanking is child abuse? Just curious, not attacking you.
Frances on 10 August 2008:
“I wish I was Aisha then” August 7th 2008.
Astonishing, that anyone would shamelessly attempt to justify paedophilia and should be checked out! Obviously this commenter has no problem what so ever with paedophilia!
It would seem that some Muslims are forever offended, all so stupidly offended when confronted with the truth in their own books. Like all other advocates of tyrannical and criminal regimes they would sheepishly murder intellectuals and free thinkers and have no problem with it.
However, this is about far deeper issues such as abuses of the basic fundamental rights of child and women, in short human rights abuses, which it would seem, is what Islam is all about ever since its advent in the seventh century. Maybe, they should grow up and deal with it!
I wish i was Aisha then on 10 August 2008:
Frances, i was a victim of paedophilia when i was a child, so am the most suitable person to judge in this topic and the only thing that helped me get thru that hellish time was ISLAM, that taught me to be strong yet forgiving and peaceful.
Any human would have done the following:
commit suicide
take revenge
get mentally challanged
or report the person and see him rot in jail
But guess what non of that happened in my case, i am alive, didnt take revenge, mentally healthy and forgave the person.
what all of you guys (anti-islam) dont understand is that i am not defending a religion that i was taught to believe in and follow, this religion is something i decided to follow and the fact that i am defending and justifying Islam is based on what i found in this religion.
obviously humans believe only what they want to believe and i can come up with any other topic and you will have a diffent point of view and so on.
note a little thing , check how you guys attack with aggression and i answer u with full confidence, this quality justifies who is on the right path and who is not.
Know that not even animals would like to be abused forget about staying in the same environment, so how do u claim humans do such a thing??
I wish i was Aisha then on 10 August 2008:
carolyne on 9 August 2008:
Sweetheart, i really feel sorry for you, you seem like a person who is adding comments and replies just to attack Mohamed and call him name while you failed to answer my comments and questions. So why dont you step aside and leave this topic for who is serious about it and has a valid opinion regarding this.
GROW UP….. coz i think that you are just a little girl that has no toys and decided that this topic is similar to a game, you better in that case go to your local park and play with issues and people from your own size, age, and mentality.
Tonto (USA) on 10 August 2008:
There have been 11607 religion related/motivated attacks by muslims since 9/11….world wide. Many of which were muslim on muslim. I think that says all the rest of us need to know. I think that anyone who admits to me that they are a muslim, is either an idiot, a tacit supporter of islamic violence, a sheep like person without the guts to leave islam behind or a person with no grasp of reality. Any of those is pitiful.
Kal on 10 August 2008:
You accuse us of attacking with aggression, yet it is the muslimah in the video who attacks with violence, in typical muslim fashion. You then say it is islam itself, a religion founded in pedophelia, and financed through violent jihad, and outright robbery of desert carvans that helped get you through your incident where you were violated. It sounds an awful lot like you sufferred from Stockholm Syndrome. It is wonderful that you had the inner strength to forgive the one who violated you, but did that person face the authorities for his crime and go to jail? Or were you brainwashed into letting him walk, because, after all, he ws simply doing exactly as muhammad did, in molesting a little child? Do you know the old saying “once a pedophile, always a pedophile”, and that sex offenders nearly always repeat their crime when let go? Because for the life of me, I cannot think of any rational, logical or humane reason NOT to want someone who violates an innocent child jailed for a minimum of 50 years. Any person who would do such a thing to a child and then justify it with the quran IS mentally challenged and should be taken off the streets. You then ask about who is on the right path and who is not? I see every day a report somewhere that a child has been violated by an adult who was trusted to care for and protect the innocent child. How do you equate letting a proven pedophile walk away free? Does THAT answer your comments?
I wish i was Aisha then on 10 August 2008:
Kal, Not all the fingers you have are equal in size, shape or even function let me clearly state this ( NOT EVERY MUSLIM IS A VALID EXAMPLE TO REPRESENT ISLAM THE RELIGION). I did condemn the action of the muslimah on that video and i never would use violence to clarify a poit and i guess there was no need for me to write the lines above because every one know that a human is a moving ball of feelings that comeout in actions, this muslimah lost her tepmer and she should apologise for that man not because she had an opinion about her own religion and stood up for her prophet but for the way she reacted, expressed her feelings and delivered her point.
Jihad in the quranic quotes are placed and have certain critera to be met before jihad could be permitted and practiced and if few people who call them selves muslims dont pay any respect or attention to that its not the fault of the whole islamic nation.
The wrong type of jihad that we see now is exactly the anti-terror wars that are practiced against muslims, so tell me if every muslim as you guys are saying is violent from believes and religion would they accept the killings in their countries? plz watch some videos in iraq were woman and childeren are screaming from the unfairness that occurs on them, look at the innocent infants that are killed for no reason in palestine was their crime that they were arabs or muslims or did the islamic religion fail to supply them with enough hatred and violence to shed the blood of their enemies instead of theirs?
my point is that you CANT take 1 muslimah as an example for all islam, before 11/9 muslims lives allover europe and usa and nothing was reported regarding these people that tagged them as killers or bad people its Usamah who lead the world to believe so and he and his path followers should be tagged as a bad people not all the Islamic nation.
regarding my experience with paedophilia, no one brainwashed me so i can forgive the person i did it with my own will, wether he did it again with any other child i do not know, it would have been a better thing to jail him because i agree once a paedophile always a paedophile but since we agree on this why didnt Mohamed our prophet commit this crime against another child if what you claim what he did against Aisha was paedophilia??
Stockholm syndrom by the way is a sign of loyalty or any good feelings for or good plans with the victimiser and i didnt have one of the above mentioned qualities for that person so plz next time dont try and be a doctor and tell me what i suffer from or not.
Neither the GOD of Islam nor the Book of Quran encourages any type of criminal activity against any creature on this planet.
Does that clarify things for you and p.s i never said that quran justifies the crime of paedophile and neither it does the wrongly used jihad claims.
I wish i was Aisha then on 10 August 2008:
Tonto (USA) on 10 August 2008
An idiot is who believes in something and practices a different thing which does not apply in my case ( incase u pointed a finger at me) so here you go once again am muslimah that is proud to be one and that will live and die as one and will never use her religion to cover up for her mistakes so she be forgiven.
about the muslim on muslim bloodshed well the same thing happened with the black on black bloodshed in usa and currently in uk look at the reasons behind them and stop being narrow minded or blinded by the hatered.
one thing i noticed during these few days i have commented and relpied on comments that i have been living among non-muslims and muslims but the non-muslims i know and deal with on a daily basis never exposed this kind of negative feelings toward islam and muslims so is it you guys up here only or is it a hidden things from me by people i deal with?
God is love and peace as far as i know from my religion ISLAM and thats all i can say to all of you and anything other than that is nothing that i would want to know or hear about and if you by any chance come accross the case of “an eye for an eye” then we are talking about something totally different and yet accepted by you guys also..isn’t it?
Why do you people feel the need to call names like fool, idiot and the rest of it couldnt you find better words to use or is it another way to express anger which is caused by weakness.. you people who call names are not different from the muslimah you are condemning in that video.
Kal on 10 August 2008:
I am NOT trying to be a doctor, and YES the quran DOES justify pedophelia, in that Muhammad DID marry a 6 year old child and DID penetrate her at age 9. As for Muhammad committing the crime against another child, that is not documented, to my knowledge. However, that does not prove that he did or did not do it again. As for what you label the wrong type of jihad, I truly wish more muslims would listen to you, because there are imams, mullahs, clerics, what have you, that speak just the opposite of you, advocating violence against infidels in the name of islam. Given that the quran has verses stating both points of view, the latter verses being the violent ones, and that Muhammad only managed to gain 13 converts to islam before he began his violent jihad in Arabia in the 7th century, after which the violent verses in the quran were revealed to him by allah (or he made the whole damned thing up to satisfy his bloodlust and craving for little girls, your pick), I am inclined to believe what I see. Violence in islam is 100% islamic and justified by the quran, which is why we in the West are wary of muslims who claim to speak peace yet commit acts of violence or support and fund people who do.
As for muslims living in Europe and the US in pre 9/11 times, they were not reported because people were willfully ignorant of the threat. However a great deal were indicted and derported both pre and post 9/11 for funding Hamas and other islamic terrorists.
I do truly feel sorry for you that you were molested as a child, NO ONE should ever have to endure that. And that was a great analogy, regarding my fingers. But I have 10 fingers, while there are about 1 billion muslims, MILLIONS of whom provide either direct support (through zakat, recruitment of suicide bombers, providing materials) or indirect support (look at CAIR and ISNA, distracting the US with taqiyya while claiming to be moderate, they say NOTHING when a father kills his daughter for not wearing a niqab, or for wanting to divorce a lousy husband from an arranged marriage) of jihad versus the entire dar al-harb.
carolyne on 10 August 2008:
To: I wish I was Aisha then, you are a friggin’ nut, go back to your tree and shut up. You bring no good to discuss and if you were molested - which I doubt you seem to have done very well with that kinky crime, so let’s all just drop this never ending story that is getting no where fast and is disgusting. You can have all this crap plus your evil Moham-MAD! Talk to your own kind about it! They are all crazy so they should understand. Takes one to know one, and I don’t wish to know you! You are the child and no one wants to play those nasty games, of which are made up lies to get attention. I am convinced more now than ever, these Muslims are corrupt brain damaged people without hope in this world, doomed forever and ever. NOT MY PROBLEM, THANK GOD IN CHRIST and I cannot say that enough. Sleep well all, and be grateful you are NOT a Muslim. The kiss of death!
Philip Saenz on 10 August 2008:
Whoever says there is no violence in The Muslim War Manual, the filthy, violent Qur’an, isn’t telling the truth. The filthy Qur’an is replete with violent passages. I’ll point out only a few of at least 164 violent passages:
1. “Slay the unbelievers wherever you catch them,” (Sura 2 Verse 191).
2. “Fight them until there is no more dissent, and religion is that of Allah,” (Sura 2 Verse 193).
3. “The vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve,” (Sura 8 Verse 55).
4. “Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers,” (Sura 3 Verse 28).
Remember that these are only a few suras from many. One more thing, many people are very confused, including Muslims. The True God, the God of Christians and Jews, would never teach violence that Allah/Satan teaches. Allah isn’t the true God. Allah is another word for Satan. That is the reason that I conjoin the two names as Satan/Allah, or as Allah Satan. Remember this: A good Muslim isn’t practicing his religion or ideology. A bad Muslim is most definately practicing his ideology. In a sense, a good Muslim isn’t a true Muslim because he fails to adhere to the evils that Islam teaches. This is very important to remember. If I were a good Muslim, I would drop my name and call myself something else. Perhaps I would call myself a follower of Jesus Christ. Jesus taught the Ten Commandments which are in direct contrast to what Satan/Allah taught. For example, Jesus taught: “You shall not kill.” Also, “You shall not commit adultery.” Et cetera, et cetera. Have a nice day.
carolyne on 11 August 2008:
Philip: Bad Muslim is truly of Satan and I am glad there are some good Muslims and do feel sorry for these people. They will have much to overcome, but it is available through Christ and renewing their mind. However the Muslim influence which is strong will be there in the carnal mind. I do believe that is partly what we are dealing with in Obama. The Obama’s are very carnally minded and have been taught for twenty years a blasphemous religion (racist hate filled cult) that has turned them against the truth. Obama says, “no one reads their bibles anymore” what a thing to say. He is wrong, and he needs to read God’s Word (the bible) and he will find he is following in the footsteps of his father the devil. That information comes from revelation which Obama will never get, because he is blinded by satan to NOT see the truth. Obama thinks he’s right, “There is a way that seems right unto man, but the way is the way of death.” That is God’s Word on who Obama really is. He’s a fool, and is fooling his followers (unbelievers) but not the true believers. We know the truth and the truth sets us free.
OBAMA IS A TRUE COUNTERFIET. Michelle Obama is so deceived she doesn’t know which way is up, pathetic couple. Obama was not vetted. Too Bad this ever happened, but with people like Pelosi, Reid, and dumb Dems what can you expect! What a terrible mess. This catastrophic election has caused America nothing but trouble since Obama decided to run for Prez. God Forbid!
Philip Saenz on 11 August 2008:
To julius, that was a lunar calendar that they used. In reality, Aisha was only eight years and nine months old when pedophile Muhammad raped her.
To that goofball who said that “Christians” also committed pedophilia. That is true. Some so-called Christians “married” and then raped young children of about 12 or 13 years, and once in a while they still do that. The difference is that real Christians condemn these lechers. However, have you ever heard a Muslim condemn the sick, lecher, pedophile, child molester Muhammad? Hell no. That’s the difference between Christians and Muslims. We Christians condemn lechers even if they are so-called Christians. Why can’t Muslims do the same? You are evil if you don’t condemn sick depraved Muslims who rape little girls. Incidentally, old Muslim lechers are still “marrying” little girls as young as eight and nine years old in some Muslim countries, and then raping them. Why don’t you Muslims have the guts to condemn these Muslim lechers? Where’s your humility? Where is your kind heart?
Philip Saenz on 11 August 2008:
Tens of millions of Catholics and other Christians read the Bible at least once a week in the USA alone. Many more tens of millions of Catholics read the Bible in all the countries where Mass is prayed. In the case of Catholics, about two pages of the Bible are read during Mass while the listeners follow . The scriptures are contained in what we Catholics call “a missal.” Perhaps that’s where the confusion lies. Catholics have Bibles and they have Missals, which contain biblical scripture. I read scripture in five languages in case you’re interested.
P.S. Down with Barack Hussein Obama. We got rid of one Hussein in Iraq. Soon, we’ll get rid of another Hussein. Conservatives will be happy after the election. Liberals will be sad, but I don’t care.
I wish i was Aisha then on 11 August 2008:
Comment by carolyne on 10 August 2008: Your point is?? <this is STRONG>
Well attempted to twist but your just losing your self in circles.
Frances on 11 August 2008:
“I wish I was Aisha then” 10th August 2008
Attacked by a paedophile as a child and did not seek “revenge” and in so doing it made him/her “strong”, “mentally healthy” and to top that “forgave” the criminal scumbag. Assuming that this person is being honest, -which I doubt- what a utterly selfish, cowardly, immoral attitude to have in the face of such a hideous crime. No sense of JUSTICE at all, absolutely pitiless! Not the slightest bit concerned that a paedophile may remain free to attack other vulnerable children.
It would seem that this individual would stop at nothing to justify paedophilia and should be checked out. As far as I am concerned, paedophiles, and it matters not a jot, whether they claim to be divine or prophets or otherwise, are non other than the lowest form of criminal scum walking the face of this earth and truly deserve to be placed in solitary confinement, away from everything that is human, and for good!
Zohan on 11 August 2008:
I’ve lived amongst muslims all my life and I can tell you that 90% of muslims don’t know what’s written in the quran. Many are born ignorant and kept ignorant because islam says to just submit and do the daily prayer & peform the haj. What islam really wants to achieve is to destroy the jewish & christian faith and kill non-muslims such that only muslims remain on earth. Its all written in the islamic text (quran). Muslims go around accusing non muslims of lying & murdering & adultery when their very own founder was openly caught lying (search: satanic verses), committed pedophilia (against 9 yr old ayesha), murdered people (killed men & took their wives) and justified adultery in the form of Talaq (ie, can divorce & pass your wife to anyone, even from your own adopted son, eg. Zaid).
It is a religion that excuses shames and justifies terror against infidels. Most muslims however will not adopt that stance (as taught in their religion), until their environment calls for it (eg. too poor, feels unfairly treated). Once they take it up, they will justify everything from killing you, to raping your mothers & sisters and chopping off your heads. Otherwise, they will live ‘peacefully’ amongst us as just ‘another citizen’ cos they are enjoying themselves anyway and there’s little need to follow muhammad’s extreme teachings….YET.
Ziggy on 14 August 2008:
Followers of a degenerate THUG who followed a MoonGod Demon….(with apologies to the demons)
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/openhouse/2008/08/the-rebellion-o.html
Late last year, a tiny little ten year old girl turned up alone at the court in Sana, Yemen, and declared: “I have come to get a divorce.” This hadn’t happened before. According to the Yemen Times, in some parts of the country the average marriage age is ten, and some 50 percent of marriages are to underage girls. But Nujood Ali was unique in escaping to a court door, pleading for help.
Nujood explained how her father had married her off to a thirtysomething motorcycle courier. On their wedding night, he ordered her to share a bed with him. She ran out of the room, so he dragged her back and raped her.
At first she was ashamed. “But I passed through that,” she said recently. “All I want now is to finish my education. I want to be a lawyer… I want to defend oppressed people. I want to be an example for all the other girls.” After saying this, she ran off to play hide-and-seek.
The court eventually dissolved the marriage – and awarded compensation to her husband in apology. But Nujood has spearheaded a national revulsion against child-marriage. ……………………..
Ziggy on 14 August 2008:
From the article just quoted from the Independent…….
To call anyone who tries to help them “Islamopohobic” is an obscene betrayal of these young women. Some of the bravest critics of this barbarism are in fact British Muslim women: they staff and run a series of brilliant domestic violence refuges. But the fundamentalist literalist reading of Islam chokes their efforts. It will always tell the girls that child-marriage is acceptable, because Mohammed did it. If we can’t criticize and reinterpret Mohammed without being threatened, then we may be unable – in the end – to cut away the intellectual justification for abusing these girls.
Haroon Rasheed on 3 October 2008:
The pastor seems to have hit the nail on its head. But most Muslims do not want to hear the truth.
They want to hear only rosy news about their own fate and a good image of Muhammad.
If you tell the truth, you could be lynched in Islamic countries.
Every Muslim is called to emulate Muhammad, and Muhammad was not prophet. He was a terrorist, thief and pirate.
There have been evil man both before and after Muhammad, but none of them claimed divine sanction for doing the evil they commited….imagine killing and raping unbelievers to get to paradise where Allah will reward them with 70 virgins and 28 young youths. And even the most devout and relgious muslim to the non practising muslims believes this rot with their lives. And Muhammad claimed that the God of hte Muslims is the same as the God of the Jews & Christians. Are we to believe this conman and assume that the God of the Bible who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sin of sodomy has changed his mind and is now allowing sodomy in heaven?
We ourselves are a group of ex-muslims from Kashmir who left Islam because Christ is heaven, Muhammad is hell.
Visit out site http://geocities.com/yahwehcalls/ and download our book on Muhammad, “The Truth about Muhammad”.
Reach about his leecherous ways and how he created Allah out of thin air to satisfy his lust for women and wealth.
I wish i was Aisha on 4 October 2008:
Well who knows the truth about islam other than the believing muslim them selves?? If you think you know better together with the pastor well why dont you speak about the taboos in Christianity, why not instead of attacking islam and calling it reveal of truth solve the issues u have in your own religion?? i dont understand some one standing naked and preaching people to cover up coz thats how it looks like to me.
some people up here are talking as if they have never had a muslim neighbour or had whatever sort of contact with them ever, did the neighbours ever kill even one plant from your front yard?? NO so why accuse people of what they havent done.
its best for every1, from what ever religion to watch what they write, it could affect badly one day and plz dont think am threatenin any1 am just advising not to plant hatred among different people from different religions, lets live together as humans.
Tonto (USA) on 4 October 2008:
The biggest difference between the insanity of islam and hard core Christianity is that I can tell a Christian preacher to fuck off and walk out and quit, and a moslem gets perished for doing that to some mullahnazi. I don’t give a spit for ANY organized religion, but of all the ones I’ve seen, islam is the stupidest and the most backward and repressive. They can do what they want as long as their damn religion doesn’t “bother” me in any way. If I can ignore their “foibles”, and they don’t smell to bad, I can get along with anybody. Having some guy screaming like he’s getting his nads cut off up in a tower, 5 times a day, qualifies as “bothering” me. They only play the “Angelus” ONCE a day, and that’s just bells, not some idiot screaming. Some idiot whackin’ his daughters because his “honor” was threatened also qualifies as bothering me. Ramming people loaded airplanes into buildings, blowing up people, shooting hell out of people, and burning churches and schools, with kids inside, also pisses me off. As a “set”, muslims do altogether too many things that piss me off so I feel they should be kicked out of here and forbidden any further immigration. Does that clear things up for ya a little better? In short, islam sucks and we don’t need it here. Get it?
I wish i was Aisha on 5 October 2008:
Well i am a Muslim and i don’t kill, burn, torture, or even offend any HUMAN with a word that comes out of my mind, nor does my family, Muslim friends act that way so who exactly are you talking about and do you have a proof that whomever u accused is MUSLIM?? Don’t think So
Have you studied Islam before accusing it of being a backward religion?? NO NO NO you have not done that so on what basis are you speaking like this?? God knows i just don’t KNOW.
You sounded like a person that actually has some kind of contact with Muslim whether its direct/indirect contact, I wonder…( do these few Muslim you see know about what u feel towards them??) I bet not, and if your answer is NO don’t you think that you are nothing but a hypocrite if not a cowered?? i Am not accusing you of things am just classifying you based on what u said, i might be right and might be wrong and i am sure you will let me know in your reply.
the thing is that Muslims are not harming you directly, you are just leashed by the media and what the USA and UK and all the anti-Islam wants you to believe, you have been spoon-fed and despite having the time, health and most important the intelligence to go and see look up yourself if this religion encourages bloodshed and wrong deeds.
If you have nothing at all to give to any existing religion then why are you offending one?? i suggest you either pick one of the available religions, study it and defend it rather than being an outer that doesn’t mind his own decision of leaving religions which i believe doesn’t back up your point of view at all.
Peace from Islam to whoever is for or against islam
I wish i was Aisha on 5 October 2008:
By the way if only USA stops shedding blood in the Islamic countries trust me no single migrant Muslim would be found in your country unless they go for tourism like you and your fellow people do when you go to Egypt and many more Islamic countries. So why don’t you see things from their actual angle rather than living in the fantasy world of the USA??????
Kal on 5 October 2008:
Aisha,
I live in the middle east, and I have personally witnessed many savage acts of brutality committed by muslims, in the name of islam, against both muslims and kuffar alike. I have seen women and children butchered in Iraq, by muslims. I have heard personal accounts from friends in Lebanon who’s relatives were caught in the mayhem of the numerous car-bombs and muslim jihadi groups like Hizbullah and Fatah al islam. I have co-workers who had the misfortune of being stationed in Saudi, where the muttawa let a little girls school burn to the ground, killing ALL THE CHILDREN INSIDE, because they were not wearing a stupuid head scarf covering their faces. Not to mention the weekly beheadings they have in Riyadh after prayers.
That is great that you, your friends and family do not kill. How about you lecture those millions who DO instead of lecturing to us. Your words do nothing to change the fact that thousands upon thousands of atrocities have been committed by followers of Muhammad in the last 1432 years.
You decry the US for shedding blood in the middle east, but you seem to forget that the middle east began exporting bloodshed in the 7th century, and has not stopped except when confronted directly with violence. It was true at Vienna in 1683, it was true in Israel in 1948, 1967, 1973, and it is true today, in Afghanistan, and Iraq. The United States would not even be in the middle east had muslims not been waging jihad against us since the 1780’s.
The only one living in a fantasy world are the hundreds of thousands of muslims who blow themselves up, burn down schools, decapitate reporters and contractors, in the hope that when they die they get to have sex with 72 virgins and 28 pre-pubescent boys. The only angle I see is that of the musselman bent on converting the entire world to islam, converting or subjugating all kuffar or killing those who refuse to submit.
Tonto (USA) on 5 October 2008:
Ayiesha,
Back in 1973, at work, another employee, who happened to be a muslim from Lebanon, was prancing around all excited about a picture he had of palestinian terrorists and the airplane that they had hijacked. He was telling all of us what brave dudes these guys were to be terrorizing a bunch of unarmed civies. Well I slapped his face and took away his picture and tore it up and dared him to do anything about it. After the shift he met me in the parking lot with a knife in his hand. Well, I gave him a good old fashioned country ass whippin’, took his knife and broke the blade off, and stuck it back in his pocket. I told him he ought to quit cause he was going to get the same treatment on a daily basis until he did quit. So he did. From time to time, I’ve had “discussions” with other moslems, usually they try to “push” or intimidate, but being a country boy, I don’t mind a good fight now and then. I worked with people from all over the world over the years and made friends with many of them. Some were muslims, and I drank with some of them, hunted with some of them (the muslims I would call on the radio after I shot a deer so the could say the prayer they do and make it halal by cutting it’s throat), went to parties with some, and weddings with others. I even learned to debki. One guy was in the PLO but his daddy bought him back by trading the kid for the family’s donkey. Some were from Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey. I even learned some arabic and turkish. I was at a guy’s home one time and met his brother, who had been a senator in Lebanon (he’d had 5 bodyguards killed around him before he quit). Yeah, I’ve known a few muslims and I like some and detest others. I helped one guy write love letters to a girl, and another study for his citizenship test. The ones I like, I like very much. The ones I detest best start running when they see me. And that’s the way it is. I’ve had islam explained to me and seen it in action. I’ve read up on it. What I’ve seen is the stupid repression of people for stupid reasons for 1500 years. I see a bullshit prophet teaching hate, murder, repression, deceit, slavery, piracy, terror and all sort of ugliness. Any religion/government like that is bad. It should be extinguished. Anybody involved in it should have the good sense to get out and help others get out too. Islam is responsible for 13,000+ attacks on people killing THOUSANDS since 9/11/2001. Bombings, shootings, beheadings etc…..and most of the casualties were other muslims! Am I afraid of them? Not hardly. I’ve been to war, took care of business and got medals to prove it. Mooks are lousy warriors anyway…..vietcong were MUCH tougher, and they were wimps compared to NVA. Fantasy is believing that a paradise with forbidden things on earth will be gifted one in paradise….a righteous God, a loving God ain’t no part of islam. I don’t know who your islam allah god is, but I know he ain’t my God. You can keep yours, he’s just a cheap imitation. And I hope nobody tries to push allah and islam on me, they won’t like the reaction.
GeorgeOfTheJungle on 6 October 2008:
To: “I wish i was Aisha then”
Please don’t try to pull the wool over western people with your fuzzy-wuzzy lies. Yes, LIES. You bloody muslims love to tell lies and muddy the truth and debate with more lies, because lying is a big part of your death cult. Let me be blunt to you. Islam is NOT a religion, it is a highly dangerous and psychotic death cult. The sooner western countries realize this, the better.
Mohammed was a paedophile, period. You cannot muddy this truth with lies and excuses and so-called scholarly opinions. Your so-called prophet was a mentally deranged and psychotically imbalanced maniac, as well as a paedophile. Just accept the truth.
jennyjen on 6 October 2008:
Aiyisha,
Every religion has it’s flaws because it is practiced by humans. Islam is just bassakwards and the fact that it carries on today just shows how stupid humans are as a group. A person is/can be intelligent- people are stupid.
Islam teaches slavery and intolerance, and that’s the best it has to offer. Mohammed’s child-wife was definitely suffering from Stockholm Syndrome at best, at worse, she was dumb as a box of rocks. My friend Adrian put an interesting spin on Islam last night.
Scenario: You wake up every morning only to get f’d in the a. This happens to you from your earliest memory until one morning, a person says, “Hey, that ain’t right!” “Really?” being the only statement you can make because this terrible thing has been occuring your entire life. If it’s all you know, then you don’t know it’s wrong. Just severly uncomfortable.
Random retards that decide to convert to Islam, I can’t speak for. In the words of one of my favorite comedians, “You can’t fix stupid”. Citizens living under Islamic rule that have never experienced actual freedom, my heart goes out to them.
Jeff on 6 October 2008:
I wish i was Aisha “..its best for every1, from what ever religion to watch what they write..”
Take your ” religion ” and shove it up your pipe. Where do you get off telling any one what to do? Hmm ? Maybe you feel you are better then us stupid kafirs eh ? mohammed ( fleas be upon hims) was a damn maniac. You know it, the whole damn world knows it. Be gone, I wish i was Aisha , before some one drops a house on you. ( Wizard of Oz Ref )
Have a nice day
I wish i was Aisha on 10 October 2008:
Comment by Jeff on 6 October 2008:
Despite having a good educational system, YOU still seem to lack simple skills in communicating with others. dont tell me its coz am muslim and according to u this is what i deserve coz if thats the case why dose Bosh go to Dubai for instant and lick some arab Bummms?? there u go something you can learn from your hypocrit president.
Accusing me of thinking am better than you makes me wonder DO U FEEL UR LESSER THAN ME??
its a debate take your part and use appropriate words, dont offend me or what i believe in as i never did or ever would offend christianity, judaism or any existing religion.
peace
I wish i was Aisha on 10 October 2008:
To Kal,
Ok you witnessed several cases of unjust caused by people who call themselves Muslims and that practice horrible things in the name of Islam. However all this does not make Islam a bad religion and I can tell u I kill in the name of a particular race or ethnicity but would you condemn the rest of the race because of me?
Note that you said (a stupid head scarf), you sympathized with them which is understandable as I do too but calling head scarf stupid is offensive it’s like me calling your act of wearing pants to cover your legs a stupid thing, head scarf is used for a reason and respecting peoples choices is all I am talking about.
If you have all this mercy in your heart for people that are being killed unfairly, why don’t you talk about Muslim and non-Muslim children that are killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine by American, western troops and Israelis ? Why pick alone on the cultural yet non-Islamic actions done by Muslims in their countries and accuse Islam and 1.5 billion Muslims of doing it?
If any atrocities have been committed in the last 1432 years they were the followers of their DESIRES and of course the name of Mohamed can be used by anyone including yourself to do either good or bad but that does not proof one that its Islam’s fault, two that if this was Mohamed’s style of preaching this religion he would have killed as much as he liked when he was alive why after his death?
GOD says in verse 2, chapter 190 in the Quran: “fight in the cause of Allah/God (Not in the cause of individual desires) those who fight you, but Do NOT transgress limits, For Allah loveth not transgressors.” This verse is what I have in the identical Quran that every Muslim has, do they follow it word by word and understand what is meant by it??? That’s their responsibility neither would I be punished for that nor would I be interrogated.
I am not lecturing you up here am just justifying what I believe your offending unfairly, I know Islam more than any non-Muslim person here on this forum so I believe that my knowledge of Islam entitles me to justify it, I am doing that whether you want to open your mind and use the intelligence we all have and change how you view Islam or not it’s up to you. Speaking of lecturing why not you speak about what can be done to bring the peace back to Iraq and the un-needed troops out, because the war of muslims from different sects in Iraq didn’t arouse before the war on IRAQ by the USA for false reasons that were proven wrong and yet nothing has changed, isn’t killing killing or is it bad when people kill while they claim to be muslims?
You decry the US for shedding blood in the middle east, but you seem to forget that the middle east began exporting bloodshed in the 7th century, and has not stopped except when confronted directly with violence. It was true at Vienna in 1683, it was true in Israel in 1948, 1967, 1973, and it is true today, in Afghanistan, and Iraq. The United States would not even be in the middle-east had Muslims not been waging jihad against us since the 1780’s.
what kept the USA on hold then is Islam was threatening peace since 1780’s, why now oh you are going to say (COZ WE HAVE HAD ENAF) but no that isn’t the reason, USA likes to leach off the petrol for free while they think they are fooling Arabs, USA does not like IRAN to possess nuclear weapons because the USA wants to be the ONE and ONLY standing country in the world forgetting that bad ruling, corrupt governments and undercover Nazis does not last for more than 50 years just like the soviet union, Hitler, Stalin who is next…..BOSH is.
Tell me how many people were killed in the name of Jesus and Christianity, not long ago 2 Christian sects were killing each other in Ireland but did it make Christianity look ugly? No because the religion is not blamed for what the so called followers practice.
Don’t forget that each religion has its flaws, committed by people who claim to follow but it did not demolish sense of faith and believe in people’s hearts, homes, communities and countries.
All I am saying is do not accuse All Muslims of what some few did, and do not accuse Islam that you know very little about.
peace
I wish i was Aisha on 10 October 2008:
TO GeorgeOfTheJungle,
You seem to be mixing things up, saying that every religions had flaws coz they were practiced by humans and you accuse only Islam of backwardness and call it a retard!! that’s funny.
slavery was ended in the Arab area when Islam came although they were soo used to having slaves before, intolerance is absolutely so not Islamic simply because every flaw has a particular punishment and the punishment will suit the size of crime thus Islam has laws that perish intolerance.
Islam gave women their rights to speech, vote, inherit and many more long before you guys decided to give it to women 50 yrs ago if am not wrong in the western….so tell me who has more right and who was freed?? women are chaste and covered, they don’t get sexually harassed by men that want to rape with their eyes if not other organs once they see a woman wearing mini-skirt…now tell me Who is free and who is the slave of hypocritical, back warded concepts and life styles??
peace
jennyjen on 10 October 2008:
Wow, IWIWA I wish I was that deluded. Jeez, it must be nice to live inside your head. You addressed your post to George but you were responding to my comment so here you go-
I don’t think I have ever been “raped by eyes” nor have I been physically raped. It is a mans duty to control his sexual urges, not a woman’s duty to dress in a tent with her face fully covered. Maybe if Muslim males would act like civilized beings and keep it in their pants, women wouldn’t feel so uncomfortable- See the post about Egyptian women on this site. Oh, and I read your post to Kal, those girls were allowed to burn to death because they were not wearing a headscarf, I think stupid is the perfect term.
I don’t even want to discuss the slavery thing, it’s prevalent in the middle east. The Islamic countries do their best to hide the atrocities committed against humanity but thanks to websites like this one, we can all know the shady dealings hidden behind the veil. I’ll be purchasing the Jewel of Medina this weekend to support the publisher and his right to free speech.
Deuces
y.k. on 10 October 2008:
Jennyjen,
So why do schools worldwide (including the U.S.) have strict dress code policies when it comes to a girl’s attire? (such as skirts above the knee, sleeveless tops, exposure of the chest area, etc.) Or even when it comes to work? Don’t dress codes mostly apply to females than males? These rules are applied for a reason. Can’t teenage boys be sexually aroused when surrounded by young females, especially when they don’t have proper clothing on? So it’s ok to think a girl can dress the way she wants just because a guy should control himself? There are rules in every country, and each one of them enforce their own law according to its effectiveness in society.
jennyjen on 10 October 2008:
y.k.- we wouldn’t let them burn to death, even if they were naked.
y.k. on 10 October 2008:
Jennyjen,
The point IS there are rules enforced for girls worldwide when it comes to dress code, regardless of its extent. There are consequences for those who don’t abide by the rules. You can’t just walk out naked and not have a penalty, even in a country as “free” as America. And btw, the only two Muslim countries that don’t allow girls to walk out without a headscarf would be Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan (which has lessened to a degree). As for the rest of the so-called Muslim countries, they couldn’t care less how you walked out in public. And for the “honor killings” done in other Muslim countries by strict fathers on their wives/daughters, don’t know Islam and definitely do not represent the teachings of the Muslim majority.
jennyjen on 10 October 2008:
no, these girls were allowed to burn to death because they were not wearing a stupid headscarf. That is the point. If a building full of naked people erupted in flames in the US, firefighters would bust their asses trying to save those people. What they were or were not wearing would have no bearing on the importance of saving lives.
No, you’re not allowed to just walk around naked in the US but if your home catches fire and all you can get out is your naked ass, public indecency takes a backseat to preserving human life.
y.k. on 10 October 2008:
Jennyjen,
Right now you’re going off topic. Right now you’re talking about different circumstances. What do emergency cases have anything do with enforced laws? Alcohol is forbidden in Islam, but if a Muslim is stranded in a desert then its permissible for him/her to drink it. Isn’t killing against the law? What about if you killed someone through self defense? You’d automatically be acquitted from trial. The same goes for a headscarf. If a building were on fire and a Muslim woman had to flee without a headscarf, there would be nothing held against her. And like I said only two Muslim countries require women to be covered in public. Torturing/Forcing a Muslim/non-Muslim to do something against their will is against the teachings of Islam (regardless of which Muslim does it or how many for that matter).
Unfortunately, it is because of the American ideologies people grew up with, that they fail to recognize the different cultures/rules other than their own. Someone from a different country with more freedom might say: “Those poor American women. Look at how their government OPPRESSES young girls to wear long skirts in school when it might be so hot.” You as a person living in the U.S. abide by these rules because you are used to them; others might not.So you see your rules as the most reasonable and everyone else’s unreasonable. And that is where ignorance settles in; when people fail to recognize the differences in other society and judge as a whole through bias means. Some people just can’t accept differences (even when there’s logic to it) simply because they were raised never to think outside of their own box.
jennyjen on 12 October 2008:
No, Im on topic, you seem to be the one traveling. Those girls in that school were allowed to burn to death because they weren’t wearing a head scarf and you are trying to justify it. Keep chasing your tail in that Islamic box you think in.
Jeff on 13 October 2008:
y.k.
YOU are in more dire need of a blow job than any other white man on the planet, and I am a jumping disabled person ( White ) STFU, OR send your girls to a muslim school, and when it burns down, SO DO YOUR KIDS. DO ME A FAVOR AND DROP DEAD. DO THE WORLD A FAVOR , DROP DEAD. DO THE UNIVERSE A FAVOR,
DON’T HAVE CHILDREN. IDIOT LIBERALS BREED IDIOT LIBERALS.
I’m not as nice as jennyjen is. And if you have a problem with it…..
DROP DEAD.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
y.k. on 13 October 2008:
Jennyjenn,
First I responded to your comments by saying dress codes for girls are enforced world wide to prove to you that some of the Muslim countries are not alone in these rules. Then you respond by telling me that America’s punishments are less severe. Then I go on responding to you by saying that there’s still consequences in America for those who don’t abide by the rules and every country applies different extents to their rules, also explaining that honor killings have nothing to do with Islam but rather from culture. So you go to a different track and you give me a scenario with IF’s, when our topic to begin with was rules are established globally. So I give you another scenario so we’re on the same page, and instead of just replying to my explanation (own scenario), you go back to the same thing you told me before (even after I gave you explanations for them) and tell me that I’m the one whose changing topics?
y.k. on 13 October 2008:
Jeff, I know it’s frustrating when a person such as yourself lack the average amount of human brain cells and have to deal with it. Learn to properly expand your vocabulary words that way the person responding to you won’t feel like your somewhat of a dimwit.
Btw, you seem to be so interested in “learning” about Islam and neglecting to learn about your own religion. But just because it seems like I know more about Christianity than you do, Hypocrisy is a sin. I know you may want me to “drop dead” for doing nothing except speaking out my opinion without any insults, but you seem to have a lot of hatred and racism (kind of what your accusing Muslims for doing?) In that case, you make all of Christianity look bad.
jennyjen on 13 October 2008:
You responded to my comment to lil miss I wish I was Aisha. She razzed Kal about calling the headscarf stupid. He called the headscarf stupid because girls were allowed to burn to death in a school because they were not wearing said headscarf.
I agreed with Kal in saying, “stupid headscarves” because in that instance, firefighters were not allowed to enter the building because the girls were not “fully covered” under Islamic standards. The headscarf and so-called modesty was of greater importance than human life. What part of this majorly evil action is not getting thru your thick skull?
Carolyn, I hope you agree with my comment, after all, we are one!
carolyne on 13 October 2008:
jennyjen, I agree we are one, but not “the one” never!!!! Obama isn’t ‘the one’ either, he has lived a delusion so long he believes his own lie. Read YID with LID today, juicy stuff. Cair LIES: Fox Falls For It, Rick Sanchez finds Democrats are on the road to McCain, because he can lead. DUH!
Headed out the door, catch you later, keep me posted. Vote early, and often!!
YEA! for IAC on Obama’s birth certificate. and Fact Check needs to follow the facts. I just want to see the baby!!
Travelight!
y.k. on 13 October 2008:
Jennyjen,
First, Where’s this article you’re saying about firefighters refusing to go in a burning building full of Muslim girls who were not covered?
Second, I think you still don’t seem to understand that I am fully aware of this Muslim chaos but it still wont go through your head that Muslims (in Islam) are prohibited from all of these things that you all condemn. How many times does a person have to tell you that people’s actions does not represent a group as a whole and may/may not have anything to do with that group. Just like your friend Jeff (and so many others), give Christians a bad name. The biggest terrorist of all is George W. Bush. Because of him, millions are displaced from home, dead, and living under fear to join the dead. Does that mean I’m going to condemn Christianity as a whole? Look at the bible. It doesn’t have all the pleasant verses all Christians say when they say Jesus is peace. I can’t even believe how people can be so unaware of their own ideologies.
It’s quite simple (and logic). If you want to learn about something that you assume you have knowledge about (but in reality you don’t), than you go to reliable sources that will get you information from a supportive perspective rather than the opposing.
carolyne on 13 October 2008:
jennyjen you not only are on topic, you are on top of it! So ditto since we are one. OK SO NOW!
jennyjen on 13 October 2008:
Kal, I can’t remember if it was you who posted the story about the girls allowed to burn to death inside a school or Infidelesto. I’ve done a search of IAC, can’t find it. If you wouldn’t mind pointing the idiot yk to it, he seems to not see the evil in Islam even though it slaps humanity in the face on a daily basis.
yk, you’re not even reading or understanding what Im saying are you? They were dressed, just not enough for Islamic standards. They were humans and allowed to die because the school was too concerned with modesty than with childrens lives. You fail to see the inadequacies in Islam so Im gonna be a hard-headed redneck and fail to see my own.
I’m with Jeff, go get a blow job, maybe your attitude will improve.
ender on 13 October 2008:
Saudi Arabia’s religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm
One witness said he saw three policemen “beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya”.
jennyjen on 13 October 2008:
Thank you Ender! In Saudi Barbaria none the less, I thought that was the country. I do believe they have an Islamic government. They have a police squad dedicated to “promoting virtue and preventing vice”. So to promote virtue, 15 lives are lost.
Very virtuous indeed but that’s Islam. Live it, Love it or die by it.
y.k. on 13 October 2008:
Jennyjen, the only thing that has come out of you (and the majority of the people that support your opinions) is profanity. So you get offended by a little “attitude” and I’m not supposed to be offended by the swearwords and insults? I don’t need to use profanity to make my point because I can express my views without violating other people’s opinions or beliefs. You can differ from people’s point of views, but you don’t need to verbally attack them. What’s the point if everyone wanted to speak out but were not heard? Why do you think people are losing communication skills? Because people want everyone to listen, agree, and obey without listening what others have to say.
I just read the article, and as a Muslim I am appalled at not only the notorious reputation some of these people are giving out, but at some of the Muslim’s lack of understanding of their own religion. I know my religion, and probably know more about Judaism and Christianity more than most people do. I’m not involved in the actions of other people. I’m involved in my own, and that includes the rest of the Muslim majority. If you and the others fail to recognize that, than that’s your error.
jennyjen on 13 October 2008:
Well, I can’t speak for everyone but I like profanity, it’s fun to use and people tend to listen better when you’re profane. They also listen better when they’re at the business end of a pistol-grip pump but we don’t have that luxury on the internet.
You’re appalled, then you need to read some more greenhorn! Just to quote Snoop Dogg, “This types of shit happens everyday…..” and IAC keeps on with the real news, not the latest on Paris Hilton’s BFF search (has anyone seen that trash they call television, what the fuck?)
And in response to the lack of understanding that Muslims have of thier own religion, why don’t you go educate them? Why are you trying to convince me that I am misguided? Why don’t you try to reform the religion you practice instead of telling me about my religion? That seems to be your error scooter.
y.k. on 13 October 2008:
It’s not insulting when you use profanity in the middle of a sentence but its offensive when you use it on someone. There’s a difference. Fortunately, all the Muslims I know are know educated and therefore do not need to be informed. I do the best I can to guide those who are a bit out of track. But I do know a lot of non-Muslims who misunderstand Islam simply because of other people’s actions. I don’t see it as a problem communicating with them as long as we debate it sensibly.
Btw, I just realized because of how one person assumed I was a male, that some took notice and assumed that too. (Not that I mentioned if I was a male or female). You see what happens when you hear about something you don’t know? Spreads like wild fire and suddenly becomes a “fact”. Why am I not surprised? That is after all how all global news are brought out to the public.
jennyjen on 13 October 2008:
Well, I for one was hoping a female wouldn’t be so oppressive of her own gender. I guess that was a misguided hope, a hope not a fact.
So, I guess you can wipe your hands clean of suicide attacks, abusive governments, oppression/slavery of women and young girls, fatwas on free speech and the numerous atrocities committed in the name of Islam because you and the Muslims you know are educated? That’s convenient! Is an educated Muslim like an educated Hippie? Know just enough to be a nuisance don’t you!
Tonto (USA) on 13 October 2008:
y.k, Typical mooslim crap complaining about being insulted. Well shucky dern and doggone. The mere presence of mooslims in the world anymore is an insult to the rest of humanity. Only one good thing about what has happened on the earth since 9/11 is that now the world knows a little bit about what pure, unadulturated and twisted bullshit islam is and what a stupid fraudulent fake the whole fucked up religion is. Why don’t you just take all that islam crap and stuff it where the sun don’t shine. That’s where it belongs. (or the ground floor of a pigsty) I don’t care if you believe in that crap…just keep it out of my face. I have ZERO, ZIP, NADA, NO respect at all for islam, muhammad, mullahs, imams or any other mooslim frauds. The koran probably wouldn’t even qualify as decent toilet paper.
jennyjen on 13 October 2008:
Tonto,
I LOVE your colorful use of the English language! I almost had a Red Bull- soaked keyboard!!!
Tonto (USA) on 13 October 2008:
The worst thing about encountering mooslims on the internet is that you can’t slap them when you want to. But at least you don’t have to dirty your hands.
I wish i was Aisha on 13 October 2008:
Tonto
you may have a real psychological problem there , if you can’t debate using intelligence, knowledge and decent words, what is the different between you and an animal that has none of the qualities I mentioned above??
TO use your limbs to pass on what you feel or believe!!! Waaaw what a way. I guess you are the one that was oppressed for so long that you now have no communications methods at all and want to slap who:
1. Is capable of slapping right back and maybe even harder it’s the old Christian concept of ( an eye for an eye) to break it down for u (a slap for a slap).
2. The slavery in the US and West was over ages ago, it’s just that it runs in your blood to slaver people for their race or believe!!! But guess what that’s IMPOSSIBLE this time besides you can never slaver people with sufficient intelligence , proficient practice and solid faith like muslims.
3. You are one hell of a hypocrite saying that Islam encourages violence, Have you by any chance noticed that YOU are encouraging violence and that have a gigantic amount of it within you??? Don’t think so it’s easier to blame it on others to distract people from knowing the true you isn’t it?? I just doubt if you know why ur on this forum, what and who are you fighting exactly?? Maybe Yourself and the complication within you coz u seem to accuse people of what you actually practice forgetting that the world doesn’t revolve around you.
4. Dirt is in your head apparently coz am a Muslim and I don’t see one atom of dirt on the body I wash 5 times a day…
I feel like am wasting my time, the majority of people on this forum (anti-Islam) are here to pass time and not to debate coz their ways show their real intentions. For the rest of people up here don’t get offended but there are some that are playing some silly games.
Jeff on 13 October 2008:
I just deleted my cookies and forgot my password.
I wish i was Aisha ,
http://introformw.blogspot.com/2008/06/banned-by-youtube-islam-and-cair.html
have a nice day.
I wish i was Aisha on 13 October 2008:
jeff
Is Savage the best you could score??
nice try just not enough to back what ever point you tried to make.
tuf luck for next time
Jeff on 13 October 2008:
The point WAS MADE.
Jeff on 13 October 2008:
You muslims alway gripe and complain. Just shut up already. Every where around the world you are screaming for the death of every one else. From the philippines, iraq, chechnya, egypt Muslims SCREAM AND PRAISE ALLAH WHILE KILLING NON MUSLIMS AND OTHER MUSLIMS. Checked out the Sudan lately ? Arab Muslims slaughtering Black Muslims in the name of hitlerallah ? Some people do understand, and we’re not buying the BS. If you don’t like it, I don’t give a crap. Go whine to cair, go call the aclu. Go call jim sutter for all I care. He called me a racist, I called him out, NO ANSWER. Make no mistake about it, i’ve dealt with bigger insects than you, AND SQUASHED THEM. Put your video where your MOUTH IS. Get on youtube, STAND UP AND SHOW ME YOUR FACE. TAKE YOUR RELIGION AND SHOVE IT !
Do you understand ?
Tonto (USA) on 13 October 2008:
Where in the world did you ever get the stupid idea that there was a debate here? islam sucks, I said so. You suck, and I say so. End of debate. Fuck off!
I wish i was Aisha on 13 October 2008:
jennyjen
Speaking of terms I don’t think that a “profanity fan” such as your self is creditworthy of choosing terms let alone approving any.
Get busy with the scandals in the US instead of showing some FAKED sympathy that is followed up with NOTHING.. The girls who died/were murdered have ALLAH, their creator to grant them justice on the day of judgment.
Stupid is not My and every Muslim’s head scarves…STUPID is the too obvious attempt of yours to make Islam and all that have to do with Islam look bad…it’s the way you are spreading the hate using the net..if your right and am wrong then why aren’t you guys (anti-Islams) not spreading the message of LOVE AND PEACE. What a bunch of hypocrites are you guys? Guess talking is much easier than ACTING upon your words!!!
You sound like you are speaking out of ignorance so to be quite frank, I am here to debate about Islam not to get personal with others, therefore I am not going to use one more atom of electricity in playing I call it rather than debating with you guys who attack to proof something ( what is it?) that’s something you guys have to figure.
Tonto (USA) on 13 October 2008:
Ayishia, admit it. The only reason you come to a site like this is to be dissuaded out of the mental shithole that is islam. If you really are a rational human, and not completely and blindly islamatraumitized, you have questions about the veracity of a pedophile fake like muhammad and the incoherence of the koran and hadiths. The twisted logic of the mullahs, which makes no logical sense must have you confused as well. Christians are some better. At least they have a record of trying to get along…at least, that’s what Christ’s teachings instruct. And they say to get along with everybody, not just the few in this or that sect. islam comes from the arab mindset, which is pretty fucked up, really. “Me against my brother. Me and my brother against our father. My father and my brothers against our neighbors…..etc”.
The Christian mindset is more pragmatic. Our strength comes from the sum of all our parts. Even villagers and farmers say “how can I be angry with my neighbor and expect to ask his help with my roof?”
If violence really bothers you, as it does many people, you must realize that a good flock of sheep has to have a couple tame wolve