Ask Dr. Aisha: My Husband converted to Islam, now looking for a second wife, what should I do?

Men convert to Islam so that they can have more wives legally. As converts to Islam, there’s no more hiding for males when they visited brothel after brothel. They can now have their own legal brothel, and probably even save money. Polygamy is tantamount to legalized prostitution.

The Muslim Qur’an has this to say about marriage: “Marry what seems good to you of women, by twos, threes, or fours,” (Sura 4 Verse 3). So yes, Muslim males are allowed to have their own private brothel.

As a Muslim, a male can have better control of women: “Beat your wives if they commit sinful acts; women are captives of their husbands,” (From a Muslim document by Sunaan ibn Majah, 3.1855).
The filthy pedophile Muhammad gave permission to beat women.

Stupid pukes ain’t they? One woman is enough trouble for anybody but a complete idiot!

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a “moderate” muslim to say anything other than “It was halal for Muhammad, so it is halal for me, for allah has ordained it” or something along those lines.

Philip, you are spot on when you say that polygamy is tantamount to legalised prostitution! Polygamy sexually exploits and enslaves more women than prostitution does. It is certainly more degrading and humiliating than prostitution. Once the demand for polygamy is met, the next step will be child brides, neither of which can ever be tolerated any where in the civilized world.

So please tell me what brothel worker(non-married) or mistress has rights to inherit from her husband? If you are Christian and educated then you should know that the majority of the Prophets had more than one wife; to that example Solomon, who is considered one of the wisest Prophets had over 1000. Many of the American founding fathers had not wives but had sex with many of their slaves. What in your mind makes that more correct than marriage?

God says in the Quran, the same verse that you quoted, that one is best for you. That being said, ultimately polygamy is not just to fulfill the loins of a man but to also prevent mistrust, potential orphans, and the dissolution of marriage. The permissibility of polygamy in fact is better for society in all.

Let’s look at some scenarios.

Right now women out number men approx. 5 to 1 in America and some other countries 10 to 1 or more. So you are telling me that it is more righteous for me to marry one woman and then cheat on her with no obligation to take care of the woman that I am being unfaithful too? What if she gets pregnant? I should wash my hands clean too, because I am not married to her? No, your view, is I should just divorce my wife and marry someone else and cause bitterness in what may have been a great woman and leave my children.

Now I understand, polygamy is not for everyone, and as a Muslim man, I am more than content being married to my wife and I have no desire to take on another. That being said I do believe that PART of this new “lesbian” revolution could also be fixed by allowing polygamous marriages. Let’s be honest, for a lot of women, becoming lesbian was a fad…it was an outlet from a failed marriage, boyfriend, or man that they cheated with who would not leave his wife. And I am not saying that polygamy would eradicate female homosexuality because for some people it is not a fad, it is a condition of birth, however, I do believe that it would diminish it.

Lastly, in a polygamous marriage, not only are the women to be treated as equally as possible, but their children are also taken care of. We live in a society now that almost glorifies absentee fathers. As a society we have then have to take care of children through a somewhat corrupt welfare system at the expense of an irresponsible man. Note, that I am only speaking from an Islamic point of view. Other views of polygamy are not associated with the Islamic view.

The Islamic view of polygamy is that first there is equally and we all know that it is virtually impossible to be equitable, but it can be done. Women have their own rights. If I am married and I did not want my husband to take a second wife and it was included within my contract, that is grounds for divorce. The benefit of polygamy is more so for the women anyway; they get help with their children if they have them, they are taken care of by the means of shelter, clothing, and food. If they work, they can keep their own money and they do not have to worry about their husband being unfaithful. There are other things like having rights to inheritance and other things.

Ultimately, how can anyone dispute the benefits to society regarding polygamy unless you choose to want to stay in a state of a sinful society. If a man is willing to take on the responsibility and is doing it within the guidelines the we should rejoice. There are some women who are not willing to deal with it and that is their right but I would encourage them to try before they jump ship because ultimately they will find that the benefit is greater for them from the other wife, their husband, and most importantly, Allah!

Just to note: The legal age of consent in America during the time of our founding fathers was 7 years of age and was changed to 10 in the late 1800. Here is an article that discusses this. So the fact the Prophet(SAWS) consummated his marriage to Aisha(RA) when she was 9 1100 years before 10 years of age was an actual law shows profound wisdom. It seems to me that is this society everything wrong is practiced and supported and everything correct is condemned.

Wow, my husband( abdulmalik) is so smart.Thats why I marriaed him. Not for his bling, or rims, or all the money he makes at work.
Thanks for responding, my love.

And per your request for others to respond, I too have asked people I know to respond, with their wisdom as well.

Perhaps I should have my uncle ,a Christian pastor to respond as well, that would be very interesting.

If there were a woman that needed a husband and she could have one like mine, I would wish the same for her, and consider sharing him with her.

Oh, yeah I did that a few years ago. He said No. I cant handle the responsibility, and would not be able to be just and treat her with the same amount of love I have for you.

more on that is here
http://americanmuslimah.today.com/2008/07/02/in-repsonce-to-infadels-are-cool-and-comments-posted/

Im sure if you were to ask women that are sleeping with a married man, if that would consider being married to him, and the other women they would say yes.

They have more rights in a marriage, especially under the eyes of God, than they would as a mistress, no body.

And if a woman has a husband, would she rather be divorced, left with children, and no support, than to salvage what she does have.

Or she can be single and struggle, and go on welfare.
Im sure Bush would even like wat Islam has to offer as a solution.

So tell me again, what does man get out of this.
Sex, thats right.
Is it worth it? ask any man Im sure he will say NO !
Unless he is looking for more than that, which Muslim men are.

As you mention on your about page, this is a war with Islam. Thats sad. A war against an entire people Muslims.

At least your honest, bush keeps saying a war against terrorism.
So I have a question, when you are at war with a people, do they have a right to defend them self?

I challenge you to start a blog, about the positive things about Muslims, specifically Muslims in America, or American Muslims such as myself.

Islam is growing as a religion, and you can longer fool people with scar tactics, people are not stupid.

You will never see Muslims rage aware against Christians or Jews, as a religion. Perhaps with a country that happens to have that religion. but you will not find Muslims saying kill all the Christians or Jews, fight them we are at war with them, as you find Americans with Muslims.

Your war is with Muslim, are they in your country with tanks and killing you innocent women and children , or shooting people as they pray at church. NO !

Why not, Its against Islam !

“As you mention on your about page, this is a war with Islam. ”

Don’t lie…

Never did I say this is a war on Islam. READ IT…

It’s a war on RADICAL ISLAM and POLITICAL ISLAM. Did I ever call for the genocide of all Muslims? NEVER

This blog is about defending American values, Western values, Judeo-Christian values and overall decency of mankind…

When you condone polygamy and we criticize it, it’s not a “scare tactic”. You are a liar, Aisha. You don’t belong in America. Your values will prevail here.

We did not start the war. Nor is it a war with all muslims. Just against those that use terror, following the example of muhammad, who himself proclaimed “I am made victorious through terror.”

The US did not invade and occupy North Africa, Spain, Indonesia, Iran (formerly Zoroastrian Persia). Islam did that, starting in the 8th century, and stayed in Europe for over 700 years. But islam is peaceful, and about tolerance, right?

I see muslims every day waging war in Christians, Jews, Hindu and Buddhists, and even other muslims. Look in the news today and you see some Palestinian took a bulldozer and killed 3 Israeli Civilians, crushing them in their cars or running them over. Look at Lebanon, where you have Shiites (hizbullah) occupying Sunni neighborhoods and killing Sunnis, Christian and Druze. Or Gaza where every day rockets are launched, even after Hamas calls a truce. And how about Iran where people who convert from islam are jailed, tortured and threatened with death? All those examples can be found in muslim/arab news sources, so don’t try to lie and deflect the blame to biased western media.

And yes muslims are blowing up churches in Africa while people are inside,shooting teenaged students at Seminaries in Israel, and killing Coptic Christians in Egypt for simply being Christian. You can read any newsfeed you like and find those stories. Or you can even find them summarized here.

your hubby abdulmalik is a flat out liar, or an imbecile who cannot count or read a census report, in his claim about the ratio of women to men being 5 to 1

http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-544.pdf

But I guess his attempt at taqiyya makes him smart in your eyes.

Apparently I do belong here.
My ancestors were brought here as slaves.

I did not ask to be here, but I am spreading the word of Islam to those without knowledge. And the majority of Converts are American such as myself, 6 years now. Alhumdulilah.

If you have money to send me a ticket, with pleasure I would leave, as well as many other African Americans.

Allah is the best of all judges, and on the day of resurrection we will all be accountable for our actions, regardless of Faith.

Abdulmalik

Whether polygamy was sanctioned by God or Allah or Buddha,or prophet or any other divine being, it has no place in the civilized world where men and women are equal before the eyes of the law. In any event, this is not a debate in comparative religions but rather Islamic family values, namely; polygamy which allegedly, was given divine sanction for the benefit of Muslim men only. By equality we mean, equal in every respect. In the modern world, women are as free as men to develop their full human potential with or without a male or female partner. They are free to develop their relationships, which if proven unsatisfactory, have an equal right to free themselves of the partnership. A given ratio of women outnumbering men is 5:1, albeit total nonsense, is again irrelevant. In the modern world, women have the same potential to look after themselves as men and so the harem or brothels are the domain of the back street pimps who prey mainly on vulnerable and otherwise immature young girls/women for gain. As for the pedophiles: normal, grown men do not have a sexual interest in children, that is why they are called pedophiles, a sexual deviancy and is a serious criminal offense. As for the inheritance, a woman share: equals half that of a man- Sura 4:11. One can only guess how that works out in a polygamous set up: assuming that the woman is still a part of the harem.

Islam is, among other things: a misogynist creed and has no concept of morality whatsoever. Tabari 1X: 113 “…Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and possess nothing themselves. Allah had made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Koran”.
Islam is among other things: offensive to the human dignity of women, and cannot be defended or tolerated in the civilized world.

I came to repsond to your post but I do not see it here.

While it is regrettable that slavery was once practiced here in the United States, what say you about the slavery practiced here in the Middle East?

I think slavery anywhere is wrong. Im not saying that there are not Muslims doing horrible acts. What I am saying is that this not the majority of Muslims. Islam is a religion of peace, what mans interpretation or actions are, does not mean that is what the religion truly is.

I simply told Misty to read up on Islam, and challenge her husband about his actions that he says he believes in, and perhaps in reading about Islam she may be able to break ground with him. Ask what his intentions are. You responded to my blog harshly. I never said I was a doctor or had all the answers.

I simply answered the question of someone wanting to know if her husband could take another wife. I simply told her, perhaps its because she is so against Islam, and knows nothing about it.

I read recently in the Kuwait Times about several brothels being shut down in Mangaf and Salwa neighboorhoods. Both were owned by muslims who lure the girls here on promise of jobs as maids or secretaries, then take their passports and force them into prostitution. Refusal usually means being sent home, if lucky, or being beaten and possibly killed. My ancestors were also slaves, in Central America, but I do not ask for a hand out to go back to where I came from. Why do you? If you want money for a plane ticket, work and earn it.

I did not ask for a hand out. If I wanted to go back I would, but unfortunately where is back. African American have not heritage or country to go back to . I was being sarcastic. Perhaps you know what country my ancestors are from. Perhaps you know my original language. I do not. Im not pulling a race card. You are no more American than I am.

But you say I dont belong here, so where is it that you think I belong? Im sure you are here by choice. Not enslavement. Many people tell blacks go back to Africa, but you know what. Mst of us did not buy a ticket to come here in the first place.

You are spreading the word about islam? Then we have something in common, because so are we. Only we are not using taqiyya to mislead people. I bear you no ill will, but you do have my pity, for you have been deceieved, as have hundreds of millions who believe muhammad was anything other than a pedophile
, a robber of caravans, a cold blooded killer, and a liar.

Im sorry to hear that you have such harsh feelings about the prophet ( peace upon him) but only Allah knows the truth and on the day of resurrection so will we.

Whether polygamy was sanctioned by God or Allah or Buddha,or prophet or any other divine being, it has no place in the civilized world where men and women are equal before the eyes of the law.

Men and women are equal before Allah, so are you telling me that if a woman has stated that she wants to be a co-wife she should not be allowed to. Are we not free to make our own choices.

Gay marriage is legal here in CALIFORNIA. if it bothers people than dont marry people of the same sex, if it does not affect you, and those people made that choice, do they not have that right.

In any event, this is not a debate in comparative religions but rather Islamic family values, namely; polygamy which allegedly

Actually that is not what this is about, I suggest you go back to the beginning.

By equality we mean, equal in every respect. In the modern world, women are as free as men to develop their full human potential with or without a male or female partner. They are free to develop their relationships, which if proven unsatisfactory, have an equal right to free themselves of the partnership.

I totally agree.

A given ratio of women outnumbering men is 5:1, albeit total nonsense, is again irrelevant.

it is relevant, and by the way thats a world population ratio not just the US. Many men marry women from other countries, because of the lack of moral of women in this country.

It is relevant because allowing those who would like to live a polygamous life, will stop a lot of welfare, single women, and children with o father.

In the modern world, women have the same potential to look after themselves as men and so the harem or brothels are the domain of the back street pimps who prey mainly on vulnerable and otherwise immature young girls/women for gain.

I would agree, but it depends on where you live. Here in the US, yes. But in many countries women are not given the rights that Islam offers, and unfortunately being Muslim does not always guarantee that either. Thats government corruption, not religious corruption. That is men, not God.

Even if the prophet has one wife. If God says it is permissible, it does not matter if I agree with it. And based on all religious scriptures. YES ALL. It is permissible, and it is something that women make a decision if they want to live that way or not. Its a choice.

As for the pedophiles: normal, grown men do not have a sexual interest in children, that is why they are called pedophiles, a sexual deviancy and is a serious criminal offense.

So are the founding fathers of this country pedophiles simply because laws have changed. There are 5 states where age of consent is still 12. and back in the early 1900s it was 7.

Im not talking about than. We are not talking about child brides. Misty is a grown woman in her 30′s. We are talking about todays society.

As for the inheritance, a woman share: equals half that of a man- Sura 4:11. One can only guess how that works out in a polygamous set up: assuming that the woman is still a part of the harem.

there are no harams, and that is inheritance from the father, not the husband. And that is a minimum amount obligated to be given to her. More can be given if the father likes. But the reason for that only applies if she has brothers, who than are responsible for her financially until she marries. Makes a lot of since to me.

Islam is, among other things: a misogynist creed and has no concept of morality whatsoever. Tabari 1X: 113 “…Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and possess nothing themselves. Allah had made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Koran”.

This is not the Quran. Please check you facts.
Whether polygamy was sanctioned by God or Allah or Buddha,or prophet or any other divine being, it has no place in the civilized world where men and women are equal before the eyes of the law. In any event, this is not a debate in comparative religions but rather Islamic family values, namely; polygamy which allegedly, was given divine sanction for the benefit of Muslim men only. By equality we mean, equal in every respect. In the modern world, women are as free as men to develop their full human potential with or without a male or female partner. They are free to develop their relationships, which if proven unsatisfactory, have an equal right to free themselves of the partnership. A given ratio of women outnumbering men is 5:1, albeit total nonsense, is again irrelevant. In the modern world, women have the same potential to look after themselves as men and so the harem or brothels are the domain of the back street pimps who prey mainly on vulnerable and otherwise immature young girls/women for gain. As for the pedophiles: normal, grown men do not have a sexual interest in children, that is why they are called pedophiles, a sexual deviancy and is a serious criminal offense. As for the inheritance, a woman share: equals half that of a man- Sura 4:11. One can only guess how that works out in a polygamous set up: assuming that the woman is still a part of the harem.

Islam is, among other things: a misogynist creed and has no concept of morality whatsoever. Tabari 1X: 113 “…Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and possess nothing themselves. Allah had made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Koran”.

This is not the Quran , please check your facts
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchquran.html

Islam is among other things: offensive to the human dignity of women, and cannot be defended or tolerated in the civilized world.

If so,why are so many American women converting to Islam based mainly because of the respect and status they are given?
Why is it that free thinking, intelligent American women are converting to Islam, and not men. If it so degrades women.

So you are saying we have no right to convert to Islam?
Sounds like great freedom to me.

Well she did, and she will tell you why.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kZSD7lwWAbQ

Abdulmalik, you’re really wet. Where in the world did you find the number that women outnumber men 5 to 1 in America? That’s insane. They’re almost evenly divided. I didn’t read the rest of your letter because I knew that you were using the Muslim Taqiyya.

Abdulmalik, we’re not arguing about what happened thousands of years ago. And this goes for the rest of you. We cannot repair what happened thousands of years ago. We’re interested in the present where injustice abounds. Let’s repair the injustice that’s going on NOW. Just because men thousands of years ago had several prostitutes as wives, doesn’t mean that present day men should have them, too. Abdulmalik, for example, let’s see if we can stop old Muslim lechers from “marrying” eight and nine year old little girls and then raping them. Do think these little aren’t horrified?

I can’t go into it too much, but I and my three hundred warriors destroyed 6,000 thugs that were kidnapping little girls and little boys everyday, and then doing pretty much what old Muslim thugs are doing to little girls today. We killed the SOBs. Yes, 6,000 plus. They’ll never kidnap again. The difference is that Muslim thugs are getting away with it, but the thugs that we fought only a few years ago didn’t get away with it. Let’s fight against injustice that’s going on NOW, and do something about it if we can. Forget the distant past. We cannot undo what happened many years ago.

Just because men sinned in the distant past doesn’t give license to thugs of the present, who are committing atrocities against little children. Yes, those damn prophets were sinning, and the True God condemned such sins. Remember? God said: “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” Those evil prophets were committing adultery.

Incidentally, the thugs that we destroyed would sometimes murder the little children after raping them, and then drink their blood. They were demonic. If you’re a good Muslim, Abdulmalik, you’re not practicing your religion. Read all the historical Muslim records, and you’ll discover that the very evil Muslims are the authentic Muslims. If you’re a nice Muslim, you’re probably more like Jesus Christ than like the pedophile, child molester Muhammad. So if you’re more like Jesus Christ, why associate yourself with the evil contained in the historical records of Islam? In your heart, why don’t you just say that you are a follower of Jesus Christ? Are you meek and humble? So was Jesus Christ. Are you honest? So was Jesus Christ. If you are nice, you ARE NOT AT ALL LIKE MUHAMMAD!!!

Philip,

Amen brother. Amen. And thank you for your service.

Sorry my name is not Abdul thats my husband, inshallah he can respond to your post.

No, Im not talking about things that happen thousands of years ago, not am I talking about things that go on outside of the U.S.

There are many horrific things that go in many places, they have nothing to do with Islam. Just because a person that is Muslim does bad things, does not mean it is what a religion teaches.

So if bad things go on in the U.S. is it a Christian thing, because this is a Christian thing, NO, it does not.

Anyways this is how things get twisted. You will not find anywhere within my posts nor in the teaching of Islam that condone child kidnapping, nor rape, nor forced marriages.This is not Islam.

The quote that you quoted earlier is not from the Quran either.
Please find it, and tell me the Chapter and ayah number.

You can not. Because Allah, never said this.
Perhaps it was a radical Muslim, which everyone is against, even Muslims.

CA has legalized gay marriage, you will not find Muslims saying oh those Christians or what ever, no.

Instead of arguing with me, if God has permitted more than one wife. Which is in the Bible and Quran, perhaps you should be spending your time arguing with extreme Muslims that do the horrible acts that you mention.

Or even better, make our own country a better place instead of worrying about laws that you can not change in a country where you have no legal authority in.

What about the child prostitution fad we now have in our own country, why are you not targeting these people. They are right there on myspace. I dont see you blogging about that.

No, you r concern is about another country when you have problems in your own country.

How can you judge another place, and tell them they life style is wrong, when we can not get our own under control.

Once again, I do not agree with any of these going on, but where is it that I fall into place equal or even close to equal with them?

Everything Mohammed did about 1500 years ago must be right. It says so in the Koran and we’re just not paying attention.
Of course in the 21st century in North America we infidels just don’t get it. We’d probably insist he be put on medication and be incarcerated. So it’s only fair that we’re not going to heaven and getting our share of all those virgins.

Tabari 1X: 113 “Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in the Koran”

It is astonishing that aishaladon does not seem to recognise, much less acknowledge the above Sunnah, as recorded and incorporated in the collection of Hadiths and recognised by the four main schools of Islamic jurisprudence. The Hadiths are the second source from which the teachings of Islam are drawn and are considered to be of such importance that without them, one cannot understand the Koran or be able to apply it to one’s life. Yet she claims to be a practising Muslim! Either her knowledge or understanding of Islam is totally superficial or she is practising tayiyya (deception) which is also acceptable in Islam to further it’s cause.

With respect to gay marriages, this is a union between to consenting adults, is monogamous and legal in the free democratic West. It cannot be compared in any way to polygamy found in Islam.

Paedophilia in abomination, a sickness of mind and spirit. As already mentioned it is considered a serious criminal offence straight across the civilized world. It cannot under any circumstances be justified by reference to any text divine or otherwise.

Freedom of religion is guaranteed in the US, as it is elsewhere in the free world, for both men and women. As such one is free to leave one’s religion and convert to any or no religion at all and revert back again to any or no religion at all. This neither take from or adds to the fact, that Islam attacks the human dignity of women in particular.

Finally, all people living in the West have a duty to respect its secular laws, its values and its freedoms or consider the alternative. At the end of the day, they are free to immigrate to any number of Muslim countries where Sharia operates. However, what they do not have a right to do is to use religion, in a bid to subvert its democratic laws in order to implement Sharia law in any shape or form. Sharia is not only benighted but a barbaric system and has been the cause of untold and heinous, human rights abuses around the world.

In polygamous societies, the man does not pledge his loyalty to his wife and the wife has no right to expect it. This simple fact poisons virtually everything – the relationships between men and women, the relationships between women, and ultimately the relationships between men as well.

It’s no accident that societies which permit polygamy are universally the least civil and the least free. In judeo-christian terms (that is, in terms which recognize a universal principle of ethics) it is, at its foundation, a violation of the Golden Rule.

Here’s a good article explaining the very damaging dynamics of polygamous societies:

” . . . What qualities do we find in societies that tolerate polygamy? First, the shortage of women usually leads to the institution of the “bride price,” where a young man must pay a sizable sum of money to the bride’s family in order to obtain a wife. (The “dowry,” in which a sum is attached to an eligible daughter to make her more attractive, is purely a product of monogamy.) This makes wives difficult to obtain for men who come from less well-to-do families.

The numerical imbalance between eligible males and females also forces older men to court younger women. Girls in their teens are often betrothed to men ten and fifteen years their senior. In some South Seas societies, infant females are betrothed to grown men. These strained couplings make marriage itself a distant and unrewarding relationship, far different from the “peer marriages” of Western and Oriental cultures.

Finally, polygamy tends to produce a high level of male violence. Because low-status males are not assured any reasonable chance of mating by the social contract, they are essentially impossible to incorporate into the larger work of society. Instead, they form themselves into violent gangs or become the foot soldiers of extremist political groups. In Pakistan, the recent news has been that the country is being overrun by these violent gangs, which have become the competing “parties” in the country’s turbulent political system. The head of one of these factions was recently accused of raping dozens of airline stewardesses . . . .

[snip]

It is probably not too alarmist to note that societies that have been unable to establish monogamy have also been unable to create working democracies or widely distributed wealth. No society that domesticates too few men can have a stable social order. People who are incapable of monogamy are probably incapable of many other things as well. . . .”

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n19_v45/ai_14667429/pg_13?tag=artBody;col1

as I said the statement about women and animals is not Quran, which is what was stated. it is a fabricated hadith.

and one does not have to have hadith to practice islam, what one needs is the sunnah. hadith and sunnah are different.

and one must be a hadith scholar and verify the chain of narration for validity. this has been done. hadith are from men not allah, and if they contradict with what allah says they are invalid.

before you quote quran and hadith please be a student of them. yes there is shariah, but are you aware of fiqh and sciences of Quran. No, you are mis informed and quote to fit your desires just as extremist do, but yet you are better than them.

Either Aishaladon’s knowledge or understanding of Islam is totally superficial or she is practising tagiyya (deception) in the hope that the non Muslims are ignorant and gullible. But either way; she has lost her credibility and everything she says should be either ignored or taken with a pinch of salt. As the saying goes: you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time!

I think you are deceiving yourself. A muslim man wanting another wife has in fact already left, and is already dreaming about more of everything else, across the garden fence, get out while you still have some sanity left, there are stil good pepole in the world still, and less in your groups than anywhere else as they absolutely do not really care about anybody but themselves, whatever they call it. This includes their women that willingly brake up marriages vailed and all the rest of it. There is a great selfishness among the polygamist thinkers in 2008, you cannot possibly compare it to any other age, we are not in the dark ages and people know the difference between good and bad. They are just like any man or woman that want to get rid of responsible relationships because they are demanding, and will find new and new relationships to make life seem easier for themselves. Its like going to a new movie to them, feelings does not come into it..that is other than own feelings and excuses. Kind and decent muslims with some depth of character do not practise this awful old tradition. Can you really see any difference with this and prostitution, I can hardly see any such difference. And would the woman marry a poor, marrried man..no they all go for th emoney whereever they can get it wit hno thought for th eother real wife in teh relationship, there is always an exception to refer to. They will betray their wife for anybody healthier, younger, prettier and anybody with money. I speak of some experience. Just open eyes and get out. (You find this type of men in any religion, but at least the other does not support it!)
Your husband i snot wise, he has probably a psychopathic charater to some degree unable to relate to real relationships and stay faithful, he may be insecure of himself as a man, in denial of health, and just generally unable to empathise with other than himself, a selfish unstable person. Is this what you really want and need in a serious relationship that marriage should be.

Mohummads wives, were jealous, fought amongst their sister wives and didnt like it when he returned with another one.  Mohummad didnt care, he married the enemies daughters so he could have more power.
Anyway, i would agree with men marrying many wives if women could do the same. They would have to be mad to want to but fair is fair.  lol
Mohummad never spoke to any divine entity, these were his laws not allahs.
I must say having many defacto wives in western countries must be a real bonus for muslims, they collect social security for all of them, plus all the little kiddies!!!!

Muslim marriage is the same as postitution, with the added slavery thrown in for good measure.

about your topic,it was happened to my family.before my husband here in phils he is very family man.but later on,he go to abroad and he converted as a muslim.i cant explain his attitude now and he became very bad husband and father to my kids.after all 4yrs that he cannot come back here,he cannot given his family his love,unfortunately he hurt me and our son physically & emotionally.his other woman,txted me all bad words,like what they did…so i always myself is that the muslim???? need my family become broken?as i compared before we have a happy family!and my husband become very very bad…….

about your topic,it was happened to my family.before my husband here in phils he is very family man.but later on,he go to abroad and he converted as a muslim.i cant explain his attitude now and he became very bad husband and father to my kids.after all 4yrs that he cannot come back here,he cannot given his family his love,unfortunately he hurt me and our son physically & emotionally.his other woman,txted me all bad words,like what they did…so i always myself is that the muslim???? need my family become broken?as i compared before we have a happy family!and my husband become very very bad…….

that second one is from a DOCUMENT as you yourself stated, find it in the Quran and you've got an argument…and the Bible and Torah openly state it's ok to beat women, and women never have authority over men so let's not open that can of worms period… you wanna talk about religions hating women, talk about them all because that's history folks.

you had me for a second at the beginning there however after reading the rest of your comment i've gotta say, i know many muslims and ive had enough exposure to it to know that yes, in that same Surah they do say it's better only to take one wife BECAUSE ITS NOT HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO TREAT MORE THAN ONE WOMAN EQUALLY, so it basically negates the entire idea of polygamy, atleast thats how most intelligent men would interpret it. secondly, in NO WORLD currently is polygamy in favor of a woman, it was historically allowed so women wouldn't be abandoned and left on the streets….women of any religion were not exactly an active part of the workforce centuries ago (although many women in Islam when it was initially founded broke that old tradition, MUCH the opposite of today sadly), but men were only allowed more than one when a)the first wife approved and b) if a woman was widowed or alone and unable to take care of herself or any children she had, it was NEVER a jusitification or prevention for cheating…. just because a guy's horny doesn't mean he can say see that's why its ok to have more than one wife so that way i can LEGALLY cheat…. people like you pervert islam into a mans religion to those who have no knowledge of their own besides propaganda crap on TV and the fanatical idiots around the world….the Prophet had more than one wife and as much as some men of religion may strive to act as Prophets did, they are Prophets for a reason and no average man could ever be 100% fair to a 2nd woman in a marriage, much less a 3rd or 4th so the concept of polygamy NOW doesn't apply no matter how a guy wants to spin it…. women part of these perverted marriages all around the undeveloped world are not treated fairly illegitimizing the practice of it for the purpose it was intended CENTURIES AGO.

and FYI, in MANY third world countries including non muslim countries, men outnumber women because of female infanticide (China i believe its said by 2025 there wlll be about 24 million marriageable aged men UNABLE to marry thanks to a shortage of women, same in India) so do you think a solution to prevent women from cheating since there will be so many single men running around is to marry more than one man? I think not, so this S'olution” is only such for perverted men who don't understand being LOYAL to a woman.

that's why educating yourself is a requirement, so if you're single then you AREN'T out in the streets or on welfare… there is such a thing as self-sufficiency and i think every woman should have it whether you are married or not. depending on another person after your parents is not a LIFE PLAN. and the type of women you've described are NOT the way we all are thank you very much. no i wouldnt want to marry an already married man if i was sleeping with him. you describe women as spineless opinionless morons who plan a life around marriage. yes im a big believer in marriage between ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN, and even so i dont think a woman should let go of her independence. and you can have just as many rights as a single woman as well as a married woman based on what i've read about Islam, an educated liberals interpretation that is. The idea of marriage validating a womans existence is an old judeo-christian tradition and im stunned that some WOMEN can actually still want that. being FORCED or having no other option is one thing, even today around the globe, but condoning it??

Tabari 1X: 113 “…Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and possess nothing themselves. Allah had made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Koran”.

TOTALLY inaccurate for starters…. but moving on, the original reason a woman's inheritance was half that of a man's was because once a man was married (to ONE woman) his inheritance and any income was to be spent taking care of his family, it was not his to keep. a woman's inheritance was rightfullly ONLY hers, whether married or not her inheritance and income remained in her control and she had no obligation to spend it on her children or husband. (i know many liberal muslims and ive done someresearch of my own) now these rulesapplied and were meant for ALL muslims however as the world is what it is, not all people are “genuine follower” of any religion and people of all religions have perverted and will continue to do always, to benefit themselves and then hiding behind a facade of “tradition”…many men ignored those rules and enforced cultural BS instead, treating women like crap and etc. but the ORIGINAL idea behind it was to be followed as i have written above, but people of free will will do what they do….

i've been to Pakistan… i was there last year at this time and the entire country as not exactly been overrun by these violent gangs….the political system is crap no doubt as it is in almost all Asian countries now, but somewhere in there there's still a functionalty and it may be solely due to the percentage of civilians wanting normalcy and striving for it, even though theyre far from it by 1st world standards at the moment… no comparison to developed countries albeit, but its there….just needs cultivation by the RIGHT people versus the corrupt money hungry politicians…

i am a muslim woman and i would just like to say wimon can beat there husbands for the same reasons men can beat us but i have never been touched in any harmfull way by my husband who is also muslim and the reason that it says that men can marry more then one wife is because there were so many wimon far more then men so many were starving it also clearly states that if you can not treat ALL of your wives fairley and justly you can only have one. i might also add that islam gave rights to wimon hundreds of years earlyer then christians did like the right to inherit the right to go to school to own property and to get devorce. and no where dose it say that the wife has no choice in marrige she dose and it also says that a husband should never speak harshly or do harsh things unto his wife. i hate it when people say us muslim wimon are supressed and i do not have to wear the head scarf i CHOOSE to because when i do i force men to see me as my personality look at me as a person and not some one to have sex with. so before you go saying such negitive things about islam do your reasearch

Time and again I vow that I will no more write to IAC, but along comes a fruitcake like you so I heave a gargantuan sigh and think, “Here we go again.” Are there enough words in all the languages of the world to convince you of your error in following, and crass stupidity in submitting to, the path and teachings of a 7th Century imbecile? I fear not. There is no force that will ever rid of you of your slavery, so thorough was the indoctrination you suffered during infancy. Your “prophet” was as vile an entity as ever graced the pages of any book written by the most depraved imagination. Charles Manson and Dahmer were as nothing compared with your boy. Darth Vader pales into ineffectual nothingness compared with the one who famously despoiled a nine-year old. Yet, I take my hat off to him, for he invented a message that, despite its absurdity and self-serving nature, persists to this day. That's impressive. But so are Satanism and Astrology, when you stop to think about them. What was his greatest trick? Without doubt, proclaiming himself to be the FINAL prophet. Great line, that. Damn, I AM impressed! Laugh if you will, but I see a certain parallel between him and Cassius Clay, lately Muhammad Ali. Interesting? And yes, Clay/Ali was a pig, too.

Consider: how many religions of the world sentence to death those who decide to deviate from the prescribed path? I can think of only one, but you will surely correct me if I am mistaken. Catholicism 1; Islam 0. How many continue to advocate death by stoning and amputation of hands? Catholicism 2; Islam 0. Does this tell you something about Mohammed, pig shit be upon him? I have no time for Catholicism – I despise it – but I have not heard a Pope in my lifetime threatening death upon those who stray from its path, nor have I seen an occasion when it demanded stoning and amputation. Catholicism 3; Islam 0. I loathe that woman they called Mother Teresa, but I recognise her efforts to alleviate the sufferings of the hopeless. Can you give me an Islamic equivalent of that woman? Catholicism 4; Islam 0. I have never heard a Catholic priest voicing the opinion that a girl of 9 is ready for the marriage bed. Catholicism 5; Islam 0. The Catholic Church argues for monogamy. Catholicism 6; Islam 0. I have never, during my life, known of the Catholic Church to advocate murder to advance its own ends. Catholicism 7; Islam 0. I have never known of an instance when the Catholic Church forbade women from driving, or setting up religious police to see that women are dressed in accordance with a 7th Century Pope's views. Damn! I've lost count of the score.

Sadly, everything I have written will be water off the proverbial duck's back because you were infected, as a child, with a virus that resists every known antidote. There is only one antidote: reason; but your eyes were nailed shut so long ago that you are as those bottom-dwelling fish in the deepest oceans which no longer have the power of sight. I could broaden our discussion into the reasons you believe in the existence of God, let alone your poxed prophet's view of such an entity, but I know it will be to no avail. To you, reason is a treasure forever denied. Will you have the effrontery to argue that, had you been born in Greenland or Northern Alaska to Eskimo parents you would have been Muslim if your parents worshipped the Great Awk, or whatever? Doesn't this give you pause for thought? If not, you are beyond redemption and more blind than ever Samson was in Gaza. Resolutely so. You have chosen blindness. What will your local Imam, or whatever, say should you ask him WHY you should believe in God?

I laughed aloud when you raised the matter of acceptable polygamy in ancient days when VERY MINOR and LOCAL battles resulted in widowhood for a relative handful of females. Yes, I have studied such things, unlike you, I fancy. Does that reason still hold water? Do you imagine there were never times when Christendom, as a result of wars, did not have a superabundance of males over females? Did Christendom respond by advocating polygamy? Of course it didn't. What is the present-day Mohammedan male/female demographic? More women than men? Yes? Bullshit! It's all about ascendant men lording it over downtrodden women — such as you, you poor gullible fool.

Time and again I vow that I will no more write to IAC

Why?

Yeah. Why?

well first off “two cases” exist for which the Qur'an allows the death penalty. The first case is for murder. The second case applies to “crimes committed against the community” which, depending on who is interpreting the Qur’an, may include: treason, apostasy (when one leaves the faith and turns against it), terrorism, piracy, rape and might i add that the united states has similer peniltys hmm i wonder why… seconly the VIRGIN MARRY is islams equivilant to mother teresa and thirdly omgsoh lol do you know nothing of all the horrilbl things chathloc preists have done to sick children in there care little boys and littte girls lol and no islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and also the most peacfull study the riligion before you condem it. The prophet told not to harm people and even in war he would never cast the first stone. and those who captured were not harmed for he said that those who are our enimy today will be our brother tomorow. and also as for the 9 year old girl in those times this was commen of everywhere not just the middle east. china, japan, england everywhere. do your reasearch, and you will see that the only diffence betwen islam and christanity is we have to prey more we belive in the prophet mohummad pbuh and jesus is not the son of god he him self in the bible say s worship god as only one!!!!! not to worship him and i am not sure what verse but jesus said that anouther would come and restore peace to the religion he was predicting muhhamed. pbuh. our teachings are the same in almost every way. so stop talking about the rilgion so poorly

For God's sake THINK before you write. According to you, the United States – a country rather than a religion – has the death penalty for apostasy. See what Islam does to the brain? The Virgin Mary is Islam's equivalent of Mother Teresa??????? Is Mother Teresa the only person of the Christian faith who forsakes all creature comforts to minister to the needy? Why, in recent times your brethren have murdered Christians who strove to aid the poor in Islamic countries. Has a Muslim been awarded the Nobel peace prize for the kind of work undertaken by Mother Teresa? What has the VM to do with a “religion” that came along some 6 or 7 centuries after her death? What makes you think I know nothing of the foul practices of certain Catholic priests? Do you imagine for a moment I condone them? How can you claim Islam is so peaceful when there have been almost 15 THOUSAND Muslim terrorist attacks since 9/11? Perhaps you are one of those idiots who will claim that until such time as ALL Mohammedans engage in outright terror attacks Islam can be said to be peaceful. Your remarks concerning 9 year-old girls is supposed to be a defence of the views of certain modern-day Muslim clerics? As far as know, there have always been 9 year-old children, and I am confident there have been evil men who abused some of them, but the only religion I am aware of that has respected men ADVOCATING sexual use of little girls is Islam, AND IT CONTINUES TO DO SO.

You tell me not to talk about religion so scathingly. Why shouldn't I? Just see how it blinds and suffocates – consider yourself. I'll willingly open my arms to religion the moment I am given just ONE piece of evidence to support the idea (absurd in my view) that God exists. The one religion, however, I would not only shun, but maintain a hostility towards is the one invented by your grotesque “prophet”. Islam is not a religion.

even he converted to muslim does not allow him to marry second without permition from 1st wife , if he is doing that it is not count as marriage

Ah, how cosy! Can the wife get permission from the husband to take a second husband?

she cant and for the reason ask someone who concern with sexual health , and you believe that person

murtaza,

That is not true. It does “count” as long as he notifies her. According to the Quran, Allah gave men the right to have more than one wife. Nothing is written about needing the first wife's permission. A Muslim woman recently wrote here saying that she had a “no extra wives” clause added to her marriage contract. Can the wishes of a woman or words added to a marriage contract negate or add stipulation to the words written in the Quran? Iran may require the wife's permission, but that is being hotly protested by men and doesn't mean much anyway. Tell me what other countries require this. Does Sharia law require it???

“Do not inherit women against their will” (4:19) in Quran , if you read in that men marry more then one then must read what it says for women also , but the worst thing is that people always like to criticize , “And (wives) shall have rights similar to those (the husbands have) over them, in accordance with justice, (except that) husbands' rights are a degree greater.” (2:228) ,,,, and according to science men produce more then 120 productive eggs in one sperm and women produce one in1 or 2 in a month .. isnt is good to marry then make a scandal? but again WITH OUT WIFE AGREEMENT MAN IS NOT ALLOW TO MARRY MORE THEN ONE , if someone is doing that is not less then rape , hope i give you the answer

well alcohol is also not allowed in islam but if someone is drinking it is not like Quran permit it . and i have nothing yo do with iran , if men are protesting there govt. have to deal with them.and before nikah(marriage) there are always conditions from women on a paper ,also wealth (mehar) and who ever is the 3rd part in between they have to be as a evidence that woman is agree or not , and what she is wishes as a condition or marriage without it is it not a legal and yes she wan write in a marriage contract about “no extra wives” and you can see few people in muslims marry more then one i have a big family and no one have 2nd marriage yet

You would be doing everyone a favour if you would expand on this cryptic, garbled message.

He can't change his Mind Beej; as expansion would necessitate reaching those parts of his brain that Islam has caused to atrophy.
Another sad case of koranosis.
I wonder if he's any good at crosswords?

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Power of truth? Sounds like something a liberal/islamist would say in order to cover his ass. How about you read the sources (there are HUNDREDS) from which we cull our information? Your propaganda site is of no interest to those of use with our eyes and ears open.