Muslim leader found guilty of sexually abusing girls

by Kal El on July 11, 2008 · View Comments

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Multiculturalism and “tolerance” in Europe continue to allow this type of thing to happen.

ONE of Scotland’s most prominent Muslim community leaders is facing jail after being found guilty of sexually abusing girls.
Farooq Hussain’s reputation lay in tatters last night, after a jury found him guilty of a catalogue of abuse over five years.

The 56-year-old businessman, who owned a string of restaurants and held high-profile charity events, was found guilty of three charges after a week-long trial at Perth Sheriff Court.

Outside court, the mother of one victim said: “This has been absolutely horrific for my daughter. I don’t even think he is human. He showed no emotion in court.

“He tried to tarnish my daughter’s name. Maybe now she can stop having nightmares about him. The main thing for us was that the girls got justice and they have. I just hope that they can move on now with the right help.”

Hussain, of Perth, sexually abused a 15-year-old girl at the Al Farooq restaurant he owned in Perth city centre in November, 2002.

In July last year, he indecently assaulted a 14-year-old girl at an address in Perth, and then attacked her again in Perth in August.

Sentence was deferred for reports and Hussain’s details were added to the sex offenders’ register.

Is this the emancipation, and freedom for women that commentor muslimah is referring to when she calls me a pig and tells me I don’t know what I am talking about?

Original article published in The Scotsman.

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  • Chris

    He was simply following the example set by Mohammed.

  • peace

    This is fucking madness. for every article you find about a Muslim that has abused young girls, i'll find you 3 that describes the abuse by Catholic or other christian clergy that have also abused children. this man was a businessman who happened to be a Muslim (by name only it seems due to his disgusting acts) but this website is flagging this article as some kind of evidence to demonize the religion of 1.8 billion human beings.

    this is a democratic country with tolerance at its heart. people like you, hate mongers, bigots and racists have some kind of agenda to create conflict and advocate hate for an entire religion of islam. this is very dangerous because you could succeed, its happened before, look at Nazi Germany.

    Our ancestors died fighting and destroying the fascist ideologies, if islam rises above religion to become a fascist ideology proper, we will destroy fascism again and thats fine we've done it before. but what is disgusting, is reading and seeing people like you kindle the fires of hatred and fascism from within us, the fires which our grandparents gave their lives to rid us from.

    And know this, before you go for the muslims, you will have to come for those of us who value freedom first because we will fight and resist you as much as we would fight and resist the other ones like you, the islamic extremists. you are different sides of the same coin.

    siege hail to you, you fucking fascist hate monger!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    @peace (a most peculiar nickname for someone so full of hate and obscenity)

    How do you infer that I am a hate monger, when all I am doing is pointing out the fallacies inherent in islam, which muslims believe to be the perfect religion? Are you not aware that in muslim countries, this exact sort of abuse is rampant and not at all frowned upon? I live in a muslim country, and the sex slave trade flourishes here, and both little girls and boys are routinely abused by so-called clerics in madrassas. The point of this article is to highlight that while islam purports to be the true religion, its followers are just as corrupt as any other humans. Please, find me your three articles about TRUE Christians abusing people, I love when people make claims like yours but do not follow through.

    And how do you arrive at a total number of 1.8 billion humans, when the usual typical number given is 1.1 or 1.2?

    Yes, our ancesters died fighting fascism, and guess what, islam IS fasicm combined with religion. How is reporting the truth kindling hatred, and fascism? Are you not aware that the muslim quran commands muslims to convert, subjugate or kill all non-muslims? As for being different sides of the same coin, you seem to be utterly confused, as no one I know has elected to strap a bomb to themselves and detonate it in a crowded market square. As for going for the muslims, as you put it, if that were truly our intent, nukes would have fallen on mecca, medina, najaf, tora bora, and all muslim cities shortly after 9/11. It is not the musselman I despise, for most are just victims of a corrupt ideaology, and is that ideaology I despise.

    For the record-
    1) The United States is NOT a democratic country. We are a Constitutional Republic.

    2) The German salute you pathetically botched is "Sieg hail". What you wrote makes no sense, like most of your rant (how does one siege hail?) – DUMBASS.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Islam is a not a race.
    Being against the bigotry of Islam, does not make one a bigot.
    No one should tolerate the intolerance of Islam.
    Islam is more than a religion, it is a fascist ideology.
    Islam is todays Nazism.
    The religion itself is the cause for worldwide terrorism.
    You last comment just shows how uniformed you are. More and more people are speaking out against Islam.

    You sound so peaceful…..

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    Considering the piss poor verbal attack, I would say his head is not in the sand, but somewhere in proximity to his colon…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    Stop foaming at the mouth…Fascist hatemonger?

    Don't be ignorant. If you had any sense of intellectual honesty, you'd look beyond this one article and deeper into the issue. Try this for instance. http://infidelsarecool.com/tag/moderate-muslims/ Just read a couple posts. Cmon.

    We don't "hate" Muslims. I live in a Muslim neighboorhood in Southern California and have Muslim friends that I live close to and work with. Antother Editor on this site, (Kal) actually lives in a Muslim country and interatcs with Muslims everyday.

    It's not that we hate Muslims. We hate the totalitarian ideology that comes from a murdering rapist dictator pedophile who goes by the name of Mohammed who just so happens to be the infalible prophet of this religion that you claim is peaceful. It doesn't take a genius to see what is going on around the world, Muslims always playing the victim, while anyone who critiques Islam is viewed as a racist Islamophobic hatemonger.

    You're response is typical of either an ignorant fool who has never looked into what Islam actually teaches, or just a leftist idiot who's dreams of a peaceful utopia on Earth shall not be shattered and everyone (even terrorists) must be tolerated. So which is it?

    Get your head out of the sand!

    You have no clue what we are up against, and it's obvious you don't read the daily news. Maybe you should subscribe to this blog to be better informed. You can subscribe in the top sidebar by email or RSS or you can follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/infidelsarecool

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    And there are websites that monitor Christianity and point out every terrible act committed by a so-called good Christian. Tit for tat best I can tell. The difference being atrocities in Islam seem to be a dime a dozen with no media coverage. Ignorance of the subject doesn't help the masses.
    Take your pills and settle down peace.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    Regarding the nazi thing, you're both wrong; it's sieg heil, not siege hail or sieg hail. More importantly though, what's up with all the venom? I'm willing to bet that if both sides here allowed themselves to think clearly, they'd find that there's more to agree about than to not. Wouldn't everybody agree that intolerance, bigotry, hypocrisy, and hatemongering, of whatever ideological or religious stripe, are a threat to everything that we hold dear? And, although at this stage in world history it's certainly true that a bunch of retarded assholes are killing themselves in the name of islam, it's also equally true that NO religion is immune from being co-opted by retarded assholes.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    . As far as there being things in the Koran that might strike modern sensibilities as perverted or whatever, I'll concede that to be true. One could, however, find equally disturbing stuff in, say, the bible. Look at the story of Lot, who in the name of righteousness let a mob of literal Sodomites rape his daughters. Does that, and the numerous other similar stories in the bible, mean that all Christians are perverts or at best deluded? My position would be that they are not, nor are all Moslems. People killing and hating each other in the name of religion is one of the oldest, tiredest, saddest stories there is, and as long as we continue doing so, the only ones who win are the retarded assholes

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    Hey, Infididiotesto, let me guess, you listen to Rush Limbaugh don't you? Probably listen to Fox News, eh? Even if you don't, you should, because you're about as mentally developed as that ilk. You can't even post a blog comment without a bunch of grammatical errors that a third grader would be ashamed of. More to the point, it's ironic to the point of hilarity to hear someone like yourself talk about other people wearing blinders. But I can tell I'm wasting my time here, so here's a simple one for you. What's the difference between Sarah Palin and a Moslem fundamentalist? Lipstick!!! Get it, o blindered one?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    typical…lose the argument and resort to "typo" insults… that all you got? You make yourself look like a moron if all you can do is critique a couple typo's…

    Hurt's doesn't it? It's ok, I forgive you for being indoctrinated into leftardism.

    What don't you understand about Multicultural retardation?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    @ jeff barber,

    Forgive me, herr fuhrer for butchering the salutation of the nazi's. Funny a leftist like you would have it memorized, eh tovarisch?

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    No, Infinitidiot, it doesn't hurt at all, it just makes me laugh. I'm not a lefty, as you seem to think, but it's interesting that you apparently believe that's the worst insult that there is. I'll tell you one thing: if i was a lefty it'd be a lot better than being a narrow-minded hate-filled bigot like yourself. Anyway, here's another simple one for you. What's the difference between Infinidiot and a Moslem fundamentalist? A Moslem fundamentalist can't eat swine, while Infinidiot is one!!!!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    Actually, no one here is calling you a terrorist lover. Just an ignoramus. Look objectively at the entire history of islam and you will see that it is evil. The only way it spread was through violence.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    How intelligent…..
    Palin is not looking to impose a set of barbaric laws on the world. Get it?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    You are the one spitting all the venom. You should really stop comparing Islam to other religions. Islam is the one causing so many problems.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    I am sure people take you so seriously with the way you comment. lol!!

    Pointing out the bigotry of Islam does not make one a bigot.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    OK, Christofart and Infinidiot, you guys win. The sparkling eloquence and inexorable logic of your rapier-like, world-class minds have convinced me. What you're saying is that Islam is inherently evil and whatever it is that you believe is inherently right, and further, that anybody who dares to express an opinion which deviates in the slightest way from your (self-proclaimed) orthodoxy is by definition not only wrong but also a terrorist lover. That about sums it up, right? Now that the brilliance of your rhetoric has laid bare the fallacies of my position, I feel so ashamed for ever having believed otherwise. Thank you, oh thank you for leading me from the darkness!

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    @Kal_El
    Hey, sorry for not noticing your post til a moment ago. As far as correcting your spelling of Nazisms, you guys were the ones who started that, I was just correcting your inaccurate correction. I do however find it extremely suspicious that a supposed cryptofascist such as yourself would get sieg heil wrong but yet spell tovarisch perfectly. Communist alert! Somebody call Joe McCarthy! Last surviving KGB mole discovered on Internet, posing as Kal_El, the notorious demented Islamophobe!!! Clever, Kal_El, or should I say Comrade Kal_El, but not clever enough. Hey, maybe I'll get a secret award from the CIA for exposing your nefarious schemes.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Amazing, isn't it?

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    Where'd you wussies go? Or in the immortal words of Infidelesto, is that all you got? You guys remind me of Ronald Reagan back in the 80s. Remember? It was a famous incident which you guys, being terror buffs, should know all about. Hezbollah drove a massive truck bomb into the Marine barracks in Lebanon, killing over 200 of our guys. Then your hero Ronnie Raygun, instead of retaliating viciously as we should have, promptly bailed, pulling all of our people out and sending a message to the terrorists that we could be easily defeated. Yep, ole Ronnie was almost as much of a genius as you fellas

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Christians are not preaching from the pulpits to sleep with children. Mosques across the world are preaching hatred towards non-Muslims. Obviously it does not have to be all Muslims, but the same problem is happening across the world. It was not all Germans, but that did not matter did it? The all is equal line of thinking is not the reality of the situation.

    When we lose a city to an Islamist with a nuke, will you still say that this has been going on for so long? Does saying that address today's threat in any way?

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 Jeff Barber

    @Christopherl.
    Dude, you might wanna ask about your own life as far as having one goes. You're the one tied with Kal_El for most posts. 26 right? You win the wizzo button, sitting around here ranting into your echo chamber, posting garbage that you know other like-minded folks here will mainly agree with, then getting all indignant when anybody posts anything you find objectionable. And that whole "lol" thing, isn't that a bit weak? You sound like a little girl sending texts to her boyfriend

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    Oh get off the moral relativism argument already. What you are saying typical of the religion of multiculturalist idiocy…Christianity and Judiasm reformed itself long ago. Plus the prophets of Jews and Christians did not sanction violence as a means of spreading a religious ideology in pursuit of forcing Islam on other peoples and other nations which is exactly what the Prophet of Islam did. Not to mention he personally murdered, raped, pillaged, molested an untold number of people…And compare that to Jesus? Give me a break…

    Please take off the blinders. There is no cultural or religious relativism here. Not all cultures are created equal…sorry.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Do you have any kind of life, is this foolishness that you are posting so important to you?
    You use the word Islamophobe. Well explain what there is for a non-Muslim to like about Islam.
    1400 years of history shown that the threat is real.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    You are thrashing everyone here, so why should anyone respect you back?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    You bore me, I have too much other important things to worry about than arguing with you. You remind of the typical village idiot who talks and talks and keeps the conversation at the level of a 3rd grader. When will you actually address some of our questions? Or are you just using this blog as your own personal echo chamber?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    I bet you think Nagasaki and Hiroshima was a bad move, right? I guess seeing three times that many people dying on both sides from an inevitable invasion of allied forces would have been much more cost effective decision…You liberals are so narrow minded and have never been taught an ounce of history indoctrinated with your leftist liberal education. If you cared at all, you'd actually look into why we talk about Islam the way we do, and address the issue respectfully with an honest opinion. Or you can just continue your mindless banter. Carry on.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    @John Infidelesto
    The reason I'm here John is because fanaticsm, whether of the sort you're into or of the sort I can find your alter-egos raving about on jihadi websites, is interesting. Posting a comment here then listening to you hyperventilating is sort of like turning over a rotten log; I don't have to turn over the rotten log, nor do I have to post here, but in both cases I'm curious to see what comes crawling out

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    Again, unable to address anything but you own narcissistic desire to seem snarky. Guess what, everyone who's read this thread knows you're a left-wing wackjob who can't address ANY subject when asked. All you've been trained to do in your leftist indoctrination is muddy the waters so we can never get to the actual argument. What's funny is you claim not to be what we all know you are (leftist/multiculturalist loser). If you have nothing intelligent to say about the discussion, you may leave. As I recall, you were the one "hyperventilating" when you originally started calling everyone on this site fascist hatemongers in your initial rant.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    Actually John either your memory or your honesty is not up to par. What I said in my first post is that people who kill in the name of religion (i.e. Islamofascists) are retarded A-holes, which I would have thought would've been one thing we could agree on. Then you and your bros piled on like rabid piranhas, which I now realize of course is what you do whenever anybody doesn't parrot the egregious shit you say. As far as talking about the actual issues, I got one for you; are you serious when you compare nuking Mecca with bombing Hiroshima? Talk about moral relativism! Of course we had to nuke the Japs, but what derailed train of thought leads from there to nuking innocent civilians we're not at war with?

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    Am I supposed to be surprised that you and all your little coterie think I'm a "lefty"? Duh! From where you guys sit anybody to the left of Adolph Eichman looks like Karl Marx, and as I mentioned earlier to Kal_El, any insult I get from your ilk is a badge of honor. Unfortunately, I can tell I'm having way more fun here than you are, so I'm outtahere. You can go back to your little circle-jerk of bile, and I hope you choke on it bee-otch.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Jeff you are the only one hyperventilating. Do you have anything intelligent to say, or do you just feel better about yourself by insulting everyone?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    Um when did I ever say we should nuke Mecca?

    LOL! Jeff everytime you speak you remind me of that bully in high school who thinks he's so cool when he picks on others, yet everyone knows he's a total douchebag. What's funny is that you don't see it yourself. We can all sit back and laugh every time you open your mouth. You've diluted the conversation to the point I don't think anyone knows what we were talking about at the beginning. I feel like I'm in high school again with these stupid back and forth personal accusations and insults. We are above this. The issue is not about us. It's about the issue itself. I don't know if it's possible at this point to actually start respecting eachother and really truly talking about the issue at hand, and I'd like to have a respectful conversation with you, but it doesn't seem like you're up for that.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    Jeff, it was I who said mecca should be nuked. The reason being that islam is almost identical to imperialistic Japan, in that they believed it was better to die fighting than to make peace. Look up kamikaze. Now, moving forward 50 years, you get to see the rise of the suicide bomber. Notice any similarities? The only language muslims truly comprehend is violence. The Mongol Horde proved that, when they decimated the caliphate, which had invaded and destroyed the indigenous cultures in Persia, Assyria, The Levant, and all across North Africa. As for innocent civilians, are you talking about the thousands who were chanting "DEATH TO AMERICA! DEATH TO ISRAEL" during their "holy" trip to mecca?

  • Lil Pete

    Dude lets not bring nukes into this ok, so individuals have a tendency for itchy trigger fingers when nuke wars get mentioned. Cant we all just chill and talk it over, before we go kicking extremist arse. lolz
    Farooq Hussain is clearly a paedophile, and if certain parts of the quran are taken in a certain way people might say that mohammed was too (thats not me saying that by the way im not gonna throw my name into that pot) oh and can we keep the F word to a minimum please even for the sake of my sensitive eyes lolz

  • lil pete

    Curiosity killed the cat you know (i think it also killed my hamster but ill not bring that up) Johns not a fanatic hes just passionate about something and uses his blog to express himself (not in that way–dirty minded sods) lolz leave the hate on another forum (like gamespot :D

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    I think we have to come to the realization that at some point we are going to have to take a more stern stance against Islamic radicalism. It's not just a couple thugs out there who are waging violent Jihad. You have entire countries who chant death to America and Death to Israel, and openly call for the destruction of other nations.

    Whether it's nukes or a fleet of B2's and B52's raining hellfire smartbombs, at some point we will have to strike back with so much force that it sends a clear message to the rest of the world.

    I don't openly advocate nuking Mecca, but I agree with Kal that something's gotta give. We can't keep up our pathetic politically correct attitude with our precision strikes at terror camps. At some point we (meaning the Western World, not just the US) need to take strong enough action to show the world that we will not stand down and wait to keep being attacked every single year. It's going to get us all killed eventually when some terrorist finally gets his hands on a nuke and shows the world what Jihad really means.

    We can start with making an example out of Iran. God help those innocent people, I hope they will get a clue and leave that country while they still can.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    @John Infidelesto, respectfully
    I realize that you didn't say to nuke Mecca; Kal_El said that, then when I mentioned that, you chimed in with something about how it was necessary to nuke Hiroshima. Of course it was, but what does that have to do with nuking Mecca? As far as respectfulness goes, I always enjoy a respectful debate, but respectful is as respectful does. Your immediate response to my initial post, in which I attacked no one here, included phrases such as "what part of leftardation don't you understand?" Respectful? No. Original? No. Bullying? Yes.
    I'd like to respectfully bring this discussion back to where it began, which was about the Muslim pervert in Scotland, who of course should have his balls cut off. That being said though., I'd like to point out that perverts occur in all cultures. Now, if anybody here can show me objective data which proves that the incidence of child molestation is higher in Muslim cultures than elsewhere, I'll concede the point.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Jeff,
    Islam allows pedophilia and do you think that Islamic countries are going to report these acts?
    http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1798.htm

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 Jeff Barber

    There's no question that some sort of massive display of lethal force is going to be needed to persuade state actors such as Pakistan, Iran, etc. that it's not in their interests to wage jihad against the U.S., or to allow it to occur from within their borders. Predator drone strikes in Waziristan, although useful, don't send a clear enough message. The challenge still remains though of eliminating non-state actors. Al Qaeda and it's affiliates are present in dozens of countries, including many of our supposed allies.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    They aren't really our allies are they? They take our money and throw us a bone every once in a while.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    Chris
    You're absolutely correct, few if any Muslim nations would allow such statistics to get out there. And there's no question that marriage to girls as young as seven or eight is both culturally and religiously tolerated by a majority of Muslim and especially Arab nations. I would still be interested though to see data from Muslim-majority countries such as Bosnia, or from the Muslim population here in America, which indicates a higher rate of child-molestation.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    With allies like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, who needs enemies? The majority of funding and personnel which supports Al Qaeda In Iraq comes out of Saudi Arabia, some of it likely even from the gov. there. Even worse though is Pakistan. I've read accounts of American aid dollars meant for the Pak army being funneled directly from the ISI to Taliban and Al Qaeda. We need to drastically rethink who our friends are, and act accordingly

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    Pete,

    I do not suffer from itchy trigger syndrome. The jihadist muslims in Mumbai did. So do the thugs in Hizbullah in Lebanon, who turned their guns (alleged to be used for resistance against Israel) on the Lebanese who vetoed their move to gain more power in government there. I just see islam for what it is, a cancer, and one of the common treatments for cancer is radiation. The nuclear solution is the quickest way to end the problem, just like World War II.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    Jeff,

    I apologize for calling you an ignoramus, and agree 100% that we f*cked up bigtime after 9/11 buddying up with the Saudis and Pakistanis in the war on terror. Saudi oil money funds every wahabbist mosque in the US, Europe, etc… And it is common knowledge that the ISI are Taliban sympathizers, why else would the Paki government not hand over the 20 terrorists they arrested? Because they know India doesn't give a crap about terrorists rights, and would extract lots of useful info about the ISI movements.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    Oh no, Kal_El has called me an ignoramus. I'm devastated, and of course properly chastened. Actually though, if you think about it, being called an ignoramus by someone who advocates dropping nukes on cities full of innocent civilians is sort of a compliment, and I'll take it as such.

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    LOL! Jeff everytime you speak you remind me of that bully in high school who thinks he’s so cool when he picks on others, yet everyone knows he’s a total douchebag. What’s funny is that you don’t see it yourself. We can all sit back and laugh every time you open your mouth. You’ve diluted the conversation to the point I don’t think anyone knows what we were talking about at the beginning. I feel like I’m in high school again with these stupid back and forth personal accusations and insults. We are above this. The issue is not about us. It’s about the issue itself, not those talking about it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    Right on, and well said about the Pakistani ISI ( I like to call them the Intra State Islamists), and the Saudis. Regarding the KGB, they also serve in his office as Prime Minister.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_userblog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    The next major terrorist attack on American soil will most likely originate from the tribal areas in Pakistan, and at that point we're talking about another ground war, as in an invasion by us to root out Al Qaeda once and for all.. The major problem with that however is that our military, seven years after 9/11, is still configured entirely wrong for the kind of war we're in. What we need is at least 7 or 8 more infantry divisions, and a heavier investment by the Air Force in systems like the AC130 and the Predators, technology that is actually of value in killing insurgents. We could have all that without even raising the defense budget, simply by diverting a portion of what is now spent on incredibly expensive weapons platforms that might be great if we were fighting Darth Vader but will be of no value whatsoever in Waziristan.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    When we get attacked again the far left will still blame America. It will always be our fault to them. They need to check back history and they will see that the problem has been going on before the US even existed.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    The far left does have an abysmal track record as far as objectivity goes. I remember during the Abu Ghraib thing, and also with Guantanamo, while they were filling the airwaves with squeals about American inhumanity they had barely a word to say about Zarqawi cutting people's heads off on camera, or AQI blowing up women and children with car-bombs. That's my main beef with extremism, be it from the far left, far right, or from Islam. Extremists, of whatever variety, are already convinced that what they believe is gospel and what everybody else believes is heresy. You can present them with as many facts as you want, but if the facts don't fit their worldview you might as well be talking to a wall.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    OK

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    You're right though, it's very easy to predict how the left will react in the event of another attack here. They will say that America had it coming, and apologists for Islam will claim the attack was carried out by Mossad, and televangelists will say it's God's punishment for America's tolerance of gays. They would all be wrong, but so what? Extremists saying what they always say wouldn't change the fact of an attack, or of the need for us to respond effectively this time around.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Thats true Jeff. We need to reevaluate how we are fighting this war. Pakistan and the Christian persecuting country of Egypt get billions of dollars from us each year. Is the money really worth the return? Like you stated in an earlier comment, it is known that some of the money we have given Pakistan has been used for terrorism. Also Egypt should not be getting a dime until non-Muslims are treated as equals there. In some ways we are supporting what we are fighting.
    Speak to you tomorrow.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    That is true. Like I have said…."Don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda".

    They will attack anyone who brings up the subject of Islam, but they do not say a word when there is an attack.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    That info would be very hard to obtain, as Muslim women are afraid to speak up.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    We need to get off of Saudi oil and and then expose them for the hate that the export across the world.

  • http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=8338 jeff barber

    Kal
    No hard feelings, and I'm assuming you know when I implied you were a KGB mole I was yankin your chain. There are no more KGB moles as such; they all work for Putin at the FSB. As far as Saudis exporting Wahhabism, that is arguably the single greatest contributor to the spread of jihadi poison around the world. They have opened and continue to fund literally thousands of madrassas whose main activity seems to be preaching and ennabling jihad against Israel and the West. On the ISI thing, I'll disagree slightly when you say the ISI are Taliban sympathizers. I'd contend that the ISI not only sympathize with the Taliban, but actually play a huge role in funding, equipping, and training them. I'll go further; ISI even help plan Taliban operations against U.S. troops, and bodies of ISI operatives have recently been found mixed in with Taliban "martyrs" in Afghanistan.

  • Kal

    Now you know why I say nuke Mecca, and Waziristan (I have advocated that in the past). To hell with risking the lives of 7 or 8 infantry divisions. The trash living in those regions are not worth the sacrifice our bravest and finest make.

  • lil Pete

    ok first to john,

    im a hippy at heart so im gonna say we should all just get along and chill out (and if that doesnt work then yes think about the "fleet of B2's and B52's raining hellfire smartbombs")

    and to Kal

    i do apologise if you thought i said you had itchy trigger syndrome that wasn't what i was aiming at, but nukes are a bit extreme, at least let people live there afterwards, drop a nuke and the place is irradiated for god knows how long.

    I do agree that islamic extremists are a definite problem but just because the light bulb broke doesn't mean you should condemn the building (unless the building starts the "F" up to then smart bomb the place lolz

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    The building (Islam) is the problem.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    That is exactly my point with nukes. Why allow them to rebuild the site where millions gather each year, and hundreds of thousands chant "DEATH TO AMERICA! DEATH TO ISRAEL"? The civilized world has tried for 1433 years to get along with islam. For our civility, we got a muslim invasion of North Africa, Europe, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, Sudan, Kenya, Indonesia, India (splintered into Pakistan), Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines and Afghanistan. Why don't you ask muslims waging jihad to get along and chill out? If they don't behead you, you are lucky. This isn't a personal attack, but you don't seem to get that we are in a fight for our very survival as free people. Which is why I advocate strongly in favor of nuking mecca, medina, and all their "holy" cities. They hit New York, London, and Madrid, we should retaliate tenfold. That is the only language the barbarians understand, brute force. For proof, look up the Mongol Horde, they decimated the muslim caliphate, with brute force, not pussy ass UN resolutions, and jackasses like Jimmy "The Dhimmi" Carter wailing for the plight of the jihadists.

  • lil pete

    yeah but take the place down and the west gets classed as mass murderers plus that is stooping to their level and im not an elitist or anything like that but i prefer to think of myself as above such simple minded fools as extremists

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    Pete,

    nuking Japan was not stooping to their level. It sent a message to the kamikaze empire – "You fly planes into our ships, we wipe out your cities." Notice the similarity between the kamikaze, and the modern day jihadis who flew planes into the WTC, Pentagon and the field in PA. If the rest of the world call us murderes for nuking jihadists and sending them to the abyss that awaits them, so be it. I'd rather have a bunch of whiny liberal pussies call me names than risk an even more serious jihadi attack on American soil.

  • anarchist atheist

    why bring up the fact the person was muslim, when in all other crimes no-one says if the person was christian, jewish, hindu,bhuddist or any other of the thousands of religions? adolf hitler was a christian(probably secret muslim),nazis were christians, george bush is a christian, usa is supposedly a christian country with aims to invade but i was under the impression the bible says turn the cheek if hit or something like that who knows anymore

  • Kal_El

    It is brought up because there is a historical pattern of abuse that has been occuring for 14 centuries, and is not going to stop by being ignored or watered down for media distribution. Also, I rarely, if ever, hear about a Christian, Buddhist, Jew, etc… claiming that they have done something like this because Christ, Buddha, Judah, or whomever they base their faith on condoned it. When Christians commit these atrocities we prosecute them. Same with Jews, and Buddhists. When it occurs in muslim countries? It usually gets swept under the rug, until international outcry forces the tyrants, excuse me, I mean local government in charge to do something about it.

  • JEWHAWK

    I agree with you,Chris.He's only followed Mohammed's footsteps.Sexually assaulting
    infidel minors is a MUSLIM TRADITION.

  • hellosnackbar

    It's hard for priapic muslims to avoid the temptation of nubile Kafr meat.
    It makes a change from actual wanking and mental wanking on the future triumph of Islam.
    Another opportunity for xcon to debate whether molesting infidel women is sactioned by the book of barbarity.

  • hellosnackbar

    How utterly absurd that anyone should oppose a group of delinquents who's aim in life is continuous murder.
    What's the world coming to?
    I think you should start your medication again and revise your thoughts.
    I think you'll find there's little fanatacism here Jeff;just healthy logical self preservation.

  • hellosnackbar

    That's a sagacious point Jeff.

  • JEWHAWK

    I agree with you,Chris.He's only followed Mohammed's footsteps.Sexually assaulting
    infidel minors is a MUSLIM TRADITION.

  • hellosnackbar

    It's hard for priapic muslims to avoid the temptation of nubile Kafr meat.
    It makes a change from actual wanking and mental wanking on the future triumph of Islam.
    Another opportunity for xcon to debate whether molesting infidel women is sactioned by the book of barbarity.

  • hellosnackbar

    How utterly absurd that anyone should oppose a group of delinquents who's aim in life is continuous murder.
    What's the world coming to?
    I think you should start your medication again and revise your thoughts.
    I think you'll find there's little fanatacism here Jeff;just healthy logical self preservation.

  • hellosnackbar

    That's a sagacious point Jeff.

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