SHOCKER! New constitution in muslim Maldives does NOT guarantee basic human rights

by Kal El on August 10, 2008 · View Comments

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And why should it? Then, jihadists would have to actaully stop violent jihad against unbelievers, which would go against the teachings of Mohammad.

Washington — The Institute on Religion and Public Policy strongly condemns the new constitution ratified by the Maldives’ legislature yesterday. The constitution fails to provide basic guarantees of rights and freedoms in the country for non-Muslims and also violates internationally accepted human rights standards and norms.

Article 9, Section D states that “a non-Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives.” By denying citizenship to some people on the basis of their religion, the country is violating religious minorities’ freedom of worship.

“This denial of citizenship to non-Muslims is an extraordinarily harsh measure which places the Maldives among the worst countries in the world in regards to the legal foundation for freedom of religion and belief,” said Institute President Joseph K. Grieboski.

In addition to denying non-Muslims citizenship, the new constitution establishes several other precepts which threaten the freedom of religion. The new constitution favors Sunni Islam over other forms of Islam, establishes certain aspects of Sharia law in the Maldives and limits the freedom of expression and thought to “manners” which are “not contrary to a tenet of Islam.”

The Institute’s Expert Committee on Legislation and Implementation is currently crafting a comprehensive analysis of the new constitution for expected release in September.

Article found on the Assyrian International News Agency website.

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  • Tom Jones

    Allahu Snakbar.

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Philip Saenz

    Why should it surprise anyone? Islam is pure evil. Islam is an ideology very much like Nazism and Communism.

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    No, Judaism is like Nazism and Communism.

    Islam is like Christianity about 500 years ago. Shia’s are like Catholics and Wahabbist/Salafist’s are like Calvanists.

    Take a class in history Phillip.

    Judaism is a mental disorder!!!

  • Kal

    Welcome back, herr Marcus. islam is NOTHING like Christianity 500 years ago. The Inquisition? A response to muslim invasion of Europe. The Crusades of 1000 years ago? An attempt at retaking Christian lands that muslims invaded and overran. It helps if you stay awake in that history class you recommend Philip attend.

  • jennyjen

    Sounds like a helluva place to live

  • Storm-Rider

    “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”  Adolph Hitler
     
    “Christianity was incapable of uniting the Germans, and that only an entirely new world-theory was capable of doing so.”   Adolph Hitler
     
    “The Ethic of the German Religion condemns all belief in inherited sin, as well as the Jewish-Christian teaching of a fallen world.  Such a teaching is not only non-Germanic and non-German, it is immoral and nonreligious.  Whoever preaches this menaces the morality of the people.”  From “The Twenty-Five Theses of the German Religion” – Nazi Publication
     
    ‘This fundamental law of Christianity completely contradicts our moral conscience, contradicts above all our warrior-like nature peculiar to the soul of our race.’ Children were taught to pray to Hitler instead of to God.  Grace before meals given to poor children by the Nazi Welfare Committee ended: ‘For this food, my Fuehrer, my thanks I render.’  Another official child’s prayer ended: ‘My Fuehrer, by Fuehrer, my faith and my light, Heil my Fuehrer.’”   A Nazi magazine commenting on the Golden Rule in 1939
     
    “The question of the divinity of Christ is ridiculous and inessential.  A new answer has arisen as to what Christ and Christianity are: Adolph Hitler.”   Hanns Kerrl, Minister of Religion in the Third Reich
     
    “The Jews are not our enemies because of their race, but because one of their subtlest rabbis, that man called Saint Paul, distilled the poison of the Christ myth out of the life of the story of Jesus of Nazareth.  The Jews are enemies of the Nordic race because they produced Christianity, which has been the poison that has destroyed the vitality of the Aryan people.”   Erich Ludendorff – Early Nazi Party Supporter

  • http://www.jewwatch.com Marcus

    Uh, Kal 500 years ago it wasnt Arabs/Muslims who were invading Europe.

    500 years ago it was European Christians invading and conquering the Americas and the whole world.

    Also 500 years ago you had Protestant and Catholics burning each other to death, kind of like Shias and Sunni’s blowing each other today. I mean the Iran-Iraq war lasted only 8 years. Compare that with the 100 Years War fought by Christians against Christians.

    “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth!”
    - Adolf Hitler, March 12th, 1922

    “The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were”…. I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.”
    - Adolf Hitler, April 26th, 1933

    “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to Christianity is a lie.”
    - Adolf Hitler, July 22nd, 1933

  • Storm-Rider

    Christians fight in wars. Jews fight in wars. Muslims fight in wars. Hindus fight in wars. Zoroastrians fought in wars. Atheists fight in wars. It is interesting to note, however, that the worst warmongers and murderers of all time were the Communist Atheists of the twentieth century.

    Hitler was raised as a Catholic Christian, but he evolved into a pagan, and his only use for the church was as a tool to be levered.
    “The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence.”  Adolph Hitler

    “Struggle is the father of all things. It is not by the principles of humanity that man lives or is able to preserve himself above the animal world, but solely by means of the most brutal struggle.”  Adolph Hitler

    “The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.”  Adolph Hitler 

    “The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.”  Adolph Hitler 

    “Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.”  Adolph Hitler 

    “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”  Adolph Hitler

     

  • julius

    Doesnt all this bickering sound just like two partie conflicks we already know about,Sharia vs Shites,rebublicans vs democrates, christians vs the jews. Human nature is just still following its course,Your chosen Political Party/spiritual beliefs,Is really up to YOU.Conditions of enviorment,family traditions, and History of the time usually.determined your decision.Now though people can usually make up there own mind,unfortunatley these times with Muslims trying to convert infidels,Christians accepting new concepts of religion and science,endless genere’s with in the internet,Spiritual anarchy.Like I mentioned before confusing times,By the way the once (almost true religion was Shamanism,God is in shaminism ,The fear of a higher power,life after death,and Harmony with nature and the universal laws.Large groups of people with thier numbers dominate and distort the truth seekers.Ex:muslims,nazis.and even P.E.T.A. One very good advantage in the infidel world is that I have unconditional choices of which spiritual path I might believe to follow,So to all ( may God,Allah,and the shaministic spirits bless you all,becausse you still might have a chance to be reincarnated as an endangered species,If any sane person converts to islam though let him be reincarnated as a piece of camel feces.Your ,liberal,freedom supporting,god loving and fearing believing ,terrorist hating,infidel. PEACE.

  • Kal

    Julius,

    Shariah is all encompassing islamic law, I believe you meant Sunni vs Shia (SOB’s vs Shites also fits). :D

  • julius

    Thanks kal I have learned much from you informative facts.

  • mujah

    hey guys. im from Maldives. MALDIVES IS AN 100% islamic country of just 300,000 people . y should we allow anyone from another religion to be in our country and create disorder among a united country?? we the citizens of maldives don’t want any other religion. we are proud of our unique identity. and btw that part of the constitution is not opposed by a single maldivian for sure.
    i dare u the webmaster to publish this comment.

  • kurik

    hi, i dont think u, amerricans are not thwe right people to talk about human right!! kee shut!!

  • Beejj

    Tell us: which part of the American Constitution denies human rights. If you are unable to do so, just piss right off.

  • kurik

    Hi my new friend Beejj,
    i am not talking about the American constition,it may be seen nice like Holy bible can u show me a single verse in hole bible give rights to gays, man haveing sex to man, woman having sex to woman, does bible say it ok, or what does it say! as far as i know God is not comfort to see these thing and in bible it says about sdom, and when u talk about world human rights, how many country was in first world human rights meetiong,every country, every nation, has its own way of human right, i cannot belive as a maldivean we should allow otheres to openly pray and sperad there words about gods, becouse we as maldivean belive ONLY THE TRUE , RELIGION WHICH GOD HAS SEND THROUGHT HIS PROPTS<IBRAHIM< MOSSA< ESSA(JESUS) AND MOHAMED >THATS ISLAM,
    so its not a big matter, we respect our nagibors, and we love people who are helpping us in our houses, offices, which u might called them as labors,they can follow there religion inside there room, But we maldivean does not and will not allow anyone to teach us! since we know about the true! as we are a third world country we need help in ecomnomically and in every area of our life,

    do we have to make LAWS, and rules, to live as human, NO! NO! we as human does not have to keep any LAWS since Gods LAw is perfact, if u think american constitution is perfact its OK, since i know its not perfact, and american are idols, few only follow the Gods law, IF U ARE A CRISTIAN WHY NOT FOLLOW BIBLE, do we need to amend it, as american consistution,

    YES !! in Anerican constitution its denies human right, !! other wise its does not need amendmants,

    we are small and we are very young in democrcy, we are quick leanners, we will learn and if we need
    anything to correct we will!!

    thnk u for ur great concern!!

    regards!!

  • hellosnackbar

    The first thing you should learn Kurik is to dump Islam.Then in your new secular society you can
    apply the usual tenets of democracy.
    Islam prevents this ;can't you work that out?

  • kurik

    Hi buddy, is the democracy is only for cristians, jews, etc.. religions othere than islam, hehehe… its very funny, Isalm is the only way which shows the rights of human, in this materialized world, and in enaternal.. i dont think u know anything about islam? or even u know u dont wanted to belive?

    do the contituation of america do they allow persioners to vote for there persident? how many are voted?

    islam does not foce anyone to come into that religion, therefore we are a 100% muslim country, therefore i donot think ,that we should inculde the right of Americans in our country?

    and do we have to do everything, according to west, or east, or europe, NO!

    thanks!

  • kurik

    hi,
    Enviromental pollution, family brack down,Drug use, increassing crime rate, loss of personal identity…to name few problems we need to sole in our nation, its not about human rights, its about helping each other to be a human!!

    thank u!

  • hellosnackbar

    As I have stated Kurik democracy is for those who recognise a division of religion and the state.
    Religion is a baseless BELIEF system;which naturally marginalises those who choose NOT to believe.
    Theocracies cannot therefore be democracies.
    If you believe that Mohammedonism and Sharia can form the basis for democracy then you are indulging in what is called cognitive dissonance(believing in untruths)'
    If you allow yourself to be guided by rantings of Mo and his idiot imaginary Allah then you are headed for poverty and economic oblivion.
    Get it into your head;Islam equals failure!
    The evidence for this last statement is substantiated by the poverty and moral turpitude of Islamic
    turd world societies.
    Infidels always win; because Muslims are hamstrung by their idiotic faith!
    Islam is your cultural millstone and many Muslims recognise that.
    Its just that thinking Muslims(ie.undeclared apostates)are intimidated by the prospect of being murder victims.

  • hellosnackbar

    Honour killings,female genital mutilation,amputations,murder of apostates,stonings,corruption,
    murder of members of other faiths,supression of free speech.
    And some people find this state of affairs beautiful???
    Surely this is pathognomic of mental illness?
    Try thinking with a clear unpolluted mind Kurik and dump Islam as a cult of the lost!

  • Adam Susanowo

    “The Crusades of 1000 years ago? An attempt at retaking Christian lands that muslims invaded and overran.”

    You are referring to the well-known Holy Land Crusades fought in the Middle East. I suggest you refer instead to the Batlic Crusades, a campaign of genocide waged by the Teutonic Knights against peaceful pagans who minded their own business and never forced anything on anyone else.

  • Adam Susanowo

    Christianity is Judaism for dummies.
    Islam is Christianity for absolute brain-dead retards.

  • Bronwyn

    Really?

  • Bronwyn

    Loss of personal identity seems a Muslim problem more than a Western one. Muslims only seem able to function as a group. You assert the group identity to force obedience to your doctrines. You stifle individualism Islam controls every aspect of life and kills all dissent. You cant get innovation with that.
    I remember as a child, my mother gave us lessons in standing alone. She took me aside and said 'if every one in the room is shouting, refuse to shout. If everyone says one thing is true, look at the other side. If they say don't look, look. Never, never, follow the crowd. Stand alone.' I have never forgotten this. I repeated it with my own children. Turn it over in you own mind. Are you able to stand alone? Can you take the heat?

    Every society will attempt to pass off some form of rot that it will insist that you accept. The West by and large will not kill you for dissent, though you may suffer in other ways, you can fight it out because of freedom of speech; you can find like minded people because of freedom of assembly, you can hold the police at bay with some success, through the rights of the individual in our various constitutions and parliaments. Islamic countries destroy lives which dare to express freedom of the heart.

    Here's a thought for you. It's not from the Bible nor the Koran:

    If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is
    because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears,
    however measured, or far away.
    Henry David Thoreau

    Kurik, sometimes be still and listen to the music. Your own heart is not always in lock step with the crowd. While standing among screaming hordes shrieking for Sharia in London streets or wherever you are, try an experiment. Close your mouth. Look in the other direction where they tell you not to look. Consider the other side of the argument. Even if it is only for a few minutes, stand alone.

    Here is a parting quote, one of my personal favorites from one of my favorite works. See what you think:
    As ten millions of circles can never make a square, so the united voice of
    myriads cannot lend the smallest foundation to falsehood.

    Oliver Goldsmith

  • JEWHAWK

    ” Christianity is Judaism for dummies.
    Islam is Christianity for absolute brain-dead retards”

    Adam, you've lost an excellent chance to remain in silence.

  • JEWHAWK

    ” No, Judaism is like Nazism and Communism”

    Is that an accurate assessment ?
    Anyone would be kind and patient enough to investigate this remark ?

    ” Judaism is a mental disorder!!! “

    Sir, the only mentally ill in this whole blog is YOU.

    Your brain is as useful as the content of twenty condoms
    used during an orgy in which your mother was an active
    participant.

  • kurik

    Hi, thank u for ur nice words, but i cannot belive you! mans have a right to live as human, whats the human right, whats freedom, my freedom does not mean to live or cross my boundery, freedom has a boundary, i can not belive its all about religion,since we know the big problem is the corropted minds,dont think our faith is small than a musted seed, but its much bigger, we have rights to live as human,

    do u know that, every human has his or her own belives in life, lslam is the only religion which talk about this materal world and eternal life, its does not say to get only this meteral world or only eternal life, but it shows how human to be a human,” live and let live”

    since we are 300,000, and we all belive in islam, we are a country 100% muslim lives, why do we have to have other religions.. i dont think , we should make rules & regulation to enter world,

    jews says juses is a barsted
    christians say he is a son of God
    mulims belive he is a prophed,

    i when i am alone and if i think , my six sen will gide me, its consecices, what cristians say holy sprits..

    hi, friends, be a human, and think deep and find the true, after dead there is a day (jugment) so u have to be accountable to ur self what ever u say and do? if u need peace only way is islam, be live God one ness, he does not need a son, wifes, ..etc, and belive Ibrahim, mosses, and Juese, and mohamed , see for Whom they worship,

    i dont think, and belive that maldives should allow other religions to be there, since we know what we need, Hope u will stand alone and think as ur mum said, open ur eye, read holly bible,and koran, and compaire, and taste both.. and chose the right path,

    think big, than ur problem will be solve, we will manage with our problems, maldivan are fast leraners, and we will lean, try to solve this religion freedom if its a must, and citizn wants it! we dont need others to get involed in our own metters!

    regards

  • kurik

    hi, its not islam, its u the way u think about truth, the way of living, the fashion.. etc..

    islam does not foce any one.. how can we allow foce others.. open ur mind before its tooo late think deper and find the life, open ur eyes to history, and live in persent and think about ur future, they is a eternal life, u have to be answed,

    leaning from the pains, problems , dangers ..etc.. its tests of life, no matter how good or bad it will come , u have to face it?

    lean ! live and let live ,!!

  • Adam Susanowo

    “Loss of personal identity seems a Muslim problem more than a Western one. Muslims only seem able to function as a group.”

    That's because Islam is the ultimate marching-ant religion.

    “Here's a thought for you. It's not from the Bible nor the Koran:

    If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is
    because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears,
    however measured, or far away.”

    A thought like that could never be from the Bible or Koran. It is far too pagan.

  • Adam Susanowo

    “Adam, you've lost an excellent chance to remain in silence.”

    And what is that supposed to mean?

    Don't run to me screaming for help once your Christian “friends” exterminate all Muslims, then need a new enemy, the Jews. It happened before, in Spain.

  • Tonto

    Dang boy, did that cow step on your head when she shit you? Christianity was never like islam. Islam plagiarized concepts from Judaism, Christianity and even the Greeks, all mixed together with a healthy dose of moon-god worship and ancient pagan arab beliefs. Mohamad was a street kid in Mecca when he came up with the “walk around talking like an idiot and claim to have visions to collect alms trick”. He was probably “coached” on how to do all that crap with some dude who was an arab version of “Fagan”. When he got too old to play that game he became a brigand and raider. He claimed that he wasn't really nuts all those years when he was a beggar in the streets of Mecca, he said the angels were talking to him. The whole religion thing was probably an accident but Mo rolled with because it worked. His first wife, who was real smart about making money, helped talk him into that! Islam raped and robbed wherever it went….Christianity went through bad times a couple times but never had the consistant murder, rape, slavery, peophilia etc of the muz scumbags. All that stuff is the bread and butter of islam……murder, rape and pillage! And they still do that with gusto.

  • funkybarfly

    Dear oh dear,HSB.
    I do believe kurik is a life member of that despicable club for men:IRRETRIEVABLY MUSLIM.

  • Necrowulf

    “…freedom, my freedom does not mean to live or cross my boundery, freedom has a boundary…”

    Then you wouldn't mind if we put you on a jail, right? Since you believe that freedom has boundaries, then…well… A jail has a boundary too! You are free, but you can't move beyond that wall/boundary!

  • JEWHAWK

    “Don't run”

    I won't.
    I will FIGHT.

    ” It happened before, in Spain”

    “History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.”- Karl Marx

    Your analogy tries to compare 1492 to 2009.
    How clever is that?

    Christianism EVOLVED.
    Islam did not.

    Today (remember that we are in 2009,ok?) the MUSLIMS are the ones
    who vows to exterminate all Jews.
    Are ALL Christians my “friends” ?
    Nope.So aren't thousands of Jews themselves who are ANTI-ZIONISTS.

  • kurik

    that a great thought! thank u! but i am confused about isral and palastian, will isral accpect a free palstian state, we maldivan are first 100% muslim nation which will accpect isral as a nation and will contiue relation ship.. but my qustion is will isral respect UN! does the human right only belong to west, or only to cristians or jews!!

  • kurik

    hi, what do u mean by freedom, do u think freedom is having sex with ur mum and say better than nothing!!

    we are selves to our cerator! who created u and me from nothing, if u need freedom live as he says!!

    do u know in west there is nation 400,000 muslims but there right to build there mosques doms has been ignoed!! is this the freedome! yap only freedom and rights belongs to cristians and jews!! hem

  • Anonymous

    Hi, what do u know about freedom! how do u mean freedom!! do u know ur creator? who created u and me from nothing! do u know we are slaves and if we need freedom we have to work as he said!

    In swezaland, 400,000, muslims right was taken away from builting dom in there mosqus, is this freedom and huaman right,? do only right of living as a human belongs to cristian and jews? why dont u think big! ,

    huam can lived as a animal, and use the word as freedom and rights!! is that the freedom and human right!!

    my freedom ends from ur freedom, ur mothers freedom ends from the start of ur fathers freedom!! so think big, live and let live, we can accpet isaril as a nation but are they willing to give freedom to a palastain state! no there are so selfish!! do u think everyone need to be a jews or a cristian, to get the freedom and rights!!

    if u think freedom is ” fuck with ur own mum and say better than nothing ” its up to u brother??

  • Adam Susanowo

    Not all Christian denominations evolved.

    I was not referring to the Church of England or the United Church of Christ, or even the Church of Rome for that matter. I was referring to the Christian Identity Movement, various fundamentalists and charismatics, some supposedly mainstream Pentecostal and Baptist churches. Yeah, these are all just isolated “nuts and fanatics” but some of them are very powerful ones that break (and even make) laws to suit their bigotry.

    I am farsighted enough to know that Muslims pose the greater and ultimate threat. But they are not the ones in my neighbourhood yet. Are these modern day crusaders for christ wise enough to know they are alienating potential allies in the upcoming war against Islam?

    You think being a Jew is so hard? Try being a Pagan and following in the footsteps of your ancestors, not out of convenience, but because it is the right choice for one's self. Then we can compare notes.

  • Adam Susanowo

    I don't know that Necrowulf means by freedom, but to me it means following your own will and doing what you please AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T violate the rights of others to do as they please. Do I have the right to smoke? Yes, as long it is doesn't violate someone else's rights to clean air. That means I can smoke in my own house but not in public buildings, and in others' houses only with their permission.

  • Necrowulf

    Look at your own religion and laws before pointing the finger on someone else! Can you buil churches in Mecca? Can people of other faiths have freedom in islamic law? The answer to that and other many questions is a big fat NO.

    God did not create me, nor he created you, WE created god.
    Care to prove, with peer reviewed papers, that god created us? Or that god exists? I want scientifically reproducible proof.

  • kurik

    Hi, cool down! u are right, In mecca NO one will be allowed to built churches.. but i am confuessed that i dont think u know the capital G and simple g, yes u are the one who created gods, but remenber u cannot create GOD, ok,, think from ur brian buddy.

  • kurik

    i completely agree with u Adam. thank u!

  • Tonto

    Dang boy, you should make a real effort at pulling your head out of your ass and smell the coffee. Christian fundamentalists are some of the most decent people I ever met. They really don't care about what YOU do so much as they concern themselves with trying to live to THEIR ideals. Here in Tennessee, you can walk past 3 Churches of 3 different denominations that are smack up against each other. The folks all vary somewhat in the way they approach things but they ALL get along. You'd be real hard pressed to find people more tolerant, friendly and courteous. Jews, blacks, foreigners, indians, whites, virtually everybody, is treated with respect here. I think it's BECAUSE of the influence of the Churches. The so-called “nuts” you talk about keep to themselves and don't “bother” anybody. Muzleems USED to be that way. When I lived and worked in the Detroit area, I came into contact with many muz. The biggest settlement of arabs in the US is Dearborn, MI and most are muz. They were all very nice for years until they became an absolute majority there and now the “radical” fire-breathing scumbags are showing up. Most of the Christian arabs moved to Sterling Heights to get away from those assholes. They still walk pretty soft though, the US ain't Europe and those Michigan hillbillies make southern rednecks look like boy scouts. Getting too “islamic” is a good way to get their asses kicked.

  • Tonto

    Nyeek halek, mishnoon! Akrut!

  • Adam Susanowo

    I don't know what planet you live on, Tonto, but Christian fundamentalists are no less EVIL and Saharasian than their enemies the muzzies. Wake up and smell the coffee indeed. Not when it's been rammed down my throat so many times by soul-saving jingoistic crusader bullies. So keep your “Krishtun Amerika is HEVVEN and evrywun else is a traitor” jingoism to yourself.

    I'd love to see Christian fundamentalism and Islam mutally annihilate, leaving only non-fundie Christians, Jews, Shintos, etc. and of course pagans and “satanists” such as myself.

  • Tonto

    Adam, you're such an idiotic twit you're not even worth bothering with. Grow up and quit acting like a teen-age-mutant-punk-rocker.

  • Necrowulf

    We humans created god, including your own god. We created it to give reason and explanation to things we could not understand a while ago.

    Which one do you believe? A ) A lightning is caused by the friction of cold and hot air.
    B) It is caused by Zeus in his mount Olympus

    A or B?

  • Hellosnackbar

    What type of pagan are you neowiccan?
    Pagans come in all shapes and sizes e,g Odinists(far older than Islam).
    I don't know why worship of Odin, Baal,Zeus,is any less valid than that of the Christian/Judaeic god or even our old chum Allah the useless.As the inimitable Dave Allen used to say “may your God go with you!”

  • JEWHAWK

    I have absolutely NOTHING against Satanists, Wicans, etc.
    Nothing, as long as they obey the Brazilian Constitution and
    its State and municipal laws, as I try very hard to do.

    I just hate muslims.

    CHRISTIANS FUNDAMENTALISTS:

    Correct me if I'm wrong, please:

    Is there or was ANY Christian suicide bomber ?

    Did Christians decapitate a Jew while holding a Bible,
    chanting “Jesus is Great” and “God is Great” while
    its victim's blood gushed out in fountains ?

    Did the Christians formed a terrorist group called
    ” The Christian Base” and spread violence throughout
    the globe ?

    Did the Christians destroy the World Trade Center
    in 9/11/2001 ?

    NOPE.

    Muslims did.

  • JEWHAWK

    Funny how the first hebrews were all pagans.

    The very concept of a lonesome God was outlandish
    for that time.

    The other extremely odd thing was the Jewish prohibition
    of manufacturing an idol to show what this God looked like.

    It was a rude, primitive environment and the Jews at first
    didn't grasp this whole ADONAI ECHAD stuff. Their savage
    brains were no different from their neighbors who worshipped
    Baal and five hundred other entities.

    They've felt humiliated for having no statue whatsoever in
    which they could bow and make human sacrifices to ask
    for rain, a wife, children, money, slaves, land and power.

    After a very long process, Jews finally endorsed the dogma
    we have until now, that is, there's only ONE God and everything
    was made by Him.
    Very simple and easier than to know the names of dozens
    others.

  • JEWHAWK

    ” … and those Michigan hillbillies make southern rednecks look like boy scouts. Getting too “islamic” is a good way to get their asses kicked. “

    I wish them luck.

    They seem to know how dangerous muslims are.

  • Beejj

    Necrowulf, my friend, I urge you to read Isaac Asimov's essay, “The Fateful Lightning.” Brilliant. It puts religious superstition firmly in its place.

  • Necrowulf

    Thank you for the book suggestion! I'll look it up :)
    Yes, I'm a fan of Isaac Asimov

  • Adam Susanowo

    Asatru/Odinist, with some worship of other European gods. For me at least, more than one god means spiritual balance. Remember what happened to Ancient Egypt when some of them kings preferred Amon and other Aten; the indirect result was monotheism.

  • Adam Susanowo

    Asatru/Odinist, with some worship of other European gods. For me at least, more than one god means spiritual balance. Remember what happened to Ancient Egypt when some of them kings preferred Amon and other Aten; the indirect result was monotheism.

  • Kal_El

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down Tonto! That line about MI hillbillies making us Southern rednecks look like boy scouts is a bit exaggerated! =P

  • Tonto

    OK, so actually, Southreners are courteous and perlite until they get “riled some” and THEN they “Stomp a mudhole through somebody's ass”….you're certainly raht about that! LOL

  • Kal_El

    Thank you, brother =D

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