How to conquer Britain: "We will ensure that one day you will integrate into the Sharia Islamic law."

by Infidelesto on September 13, 2008 · View Comments

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Preachers: Ajum Choudhary (left) chairs the meeting with banned Muslim cleric Omar Backri\'s webcast on the wall behind

They’re laying out their plans for all of the world to see.  Will the UK government listen up?  Nobody is stopping these people, and why?

 

Daily Mail

Muslim hate fanatics plan to take over Britain by having more babies and forcing a population explosion, it has been revealed.

The swollen Muslim population would be enough to conquer Britain from inside, they claim.

Fanatics told a meeting of young Muslims on the anniversary of the 9/11 atrocity, that it would then be easy to impose Sharia law on the population, the Sun newspaper reported.

Speaking at a meeting in London, Anjem Choudary, right-hand man of exiled preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed, said: “It may be by pure conversion that Britain will become an Islamic state. We may never need to conquer it from the outside.”

 

He added: “We do not integrate into Christianity. We will ensure that one day you will integrate into the Sharia Islamic law.”

His comments were made as voice of hate Bakri warned that the next 9/11 would take place in the UK.

Speaking via video link the exiled cleric said Osama bin Laden had taught the Americans a ‘lesson’ seven years ago, but the ‘crusaders’ had not learned.

 

He said the next ‘9/11 will take place in Britain, the next 7/7 [London bombings] could take place locally’.

Bakri told a 100-strong audience of supporters in Walthamstow, east London this week that he believed the British government was trying to assassinate him and claimed to have foiled a bomb plot.

Technical difficulties meant much of his speech was inaudible, but his appearance was greeted by cheers of ‘faith’ and ‘god is great’ at the community centre. 

Bakri’s right-hand man, Anjem Choudary, led the proceedings in person, under the auspices of a group called Association for Islamic Research.

The most incendiary speech was delivered by Saiful Islam, who lauded Bin Laden and al Qaeda for their ‘courage’ in retaliating against the ‘dictatorship and oppression’ of the West.

He said: ‘The blame of 9/11 belongs to no one but the American government. They are the terrorists. 

‘Sheikh Osama warned America numerous times, it was because of their own arrogance, because they thought they are a superpower and nobody could match them, that Sheikh Osama taught them a lesson – a lesson they still haven’t learned.’

 

Mr Islam, who is linked to an organisation called Salafi Youth for Islamic Propagation, warned that unless British and American troops were withdrawn from ‘Muslim lands’ they would be to blame for the consequences, saying the West would ‘never achieve security until our own [Muslim] lands achieve security’.

‘Wake up. Withdraw. Listen to the warnings. Muslims will stand side to side, not just al Qaeda. The actions of the British and Americans have given prominence to al Qaeda.

‘All of us have a part to play in stopping the violence or the next 9/11 will take place in Britain, the next 7/7 could take place locally,’ he added. 

 

Mr Choudary then referred to Bakri’s notorious aim of flying the ‘flag of Sharia’ over Downing Street, claiming that this would happen by 2020 as 500 people a day were converting to Islam and laughing that Muslim families in places like Whitechapel and Bethnal Green in east London were having ‘10 or 12 children each’.

He ranted against mainstream bodies like the Muslim Council of Britain, who condemned 9/11 and 7/7, accusing them of ‘selling their souls to the devil’.

 

 

 

 

 

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  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    I KNOW from personal contacts that many people in the Labour & Tory parties are VERY concerned about this. But they are afraid of civil unrest if they confront it head-on. The police & security services are similarly overwrought by this thought.

    At the same time, we do not have a prime minister who “gets it”, as we did not long ago. And our civil & human rights bodies have infiltrated our courtrooms. For example, at my site I have links to a barrister who urges Al Qaeda to kill Tony Blair. I wonder why?

    I believe there are actually other Sharia courts operating in Britain. I am sure I saw at least one mentioned a few months ago. If I find it, I’ll post it at my site.

    My latest post:

    http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/

  • Storm-Rider

    Wake up and smell the coffee – Wake up and clear the cobwebs out of your addled brains - Wake up – Wake up – Wake up.

    The European Marxist/Socialist leaders are forming an alliance with these Islamist bastards. Don’t you get it? Both groups are anti-American. Both groups are elitist and would rule over us without our consent – one group is a Marxist/Socialist Secular Elite – the other group is an Islamist Religious Elite. What the hell is the difference if you are their slave? Both groups wish for government of the people, by the people and for the people to perish from the earth.

    Why on earth do Americans remain so confused about this? It’s right in front of you face! Wake the hell up!
     

  • http://www.mosquewatch.blogspot.com Jeff

    Muslim terrorists are not “Fanatics” nor are they “extremists“, they are GOOD MUSLIMS Following Mohammeds original Islam.

  • Storm-Rider

    One reason so many Americans aren’t clued in to what is happening in Europe, i.e.: the alliance between European Marxist/Socialist leaders and the Islamists, is that there is a similar anti-American alliance forming here in the United States. Our own Europhile Marxist/Socialists are allying themselves with Totalitarian Islam – and for the same reason – they both wish to rule over ordinary Americans without their consent - without the consent of the governed.

    “The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.”  Thomas Jefferson

    “It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they  gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”  Abraham Lincoln

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    Storm-Rider, we see a lot of this nonsense on the internet. Tim Berners-Lee, the British man who invented the worldwide web is concerned and has written about this today.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?xml=/connected/2008/09/15/dlweb115.xml

    I have spent a lot of time on the internet over the last few years, trying to work out if Tony Blair really IS the devil incarnate or just simply evil, both of which thousands of websites have claimed. I have yet to find the slightest evidence of this.

    But there are plenty of head-bangers out there who add up 2 & 2 and get the inevitable 5. And their rumours spread like wildfire on the web.

    If you KNOW that there is a European alliance with Islam PURLEASE provide the authoritative links so that we can all join you in your omniscience.

    Until then, kindly belt up.

    People like you are the ones who will take the free internet out of the hands of the rest of us, due to the self-righteousness of the gullible, susceptible and lairs.

    We DO have problems with Islamist fundamentalist extremists, but we are not the only ones. So do ordinary law-abiding Muslims.

    Since there is not a world government, perhaps Blair has it right in his hopes for his Faith Foundation.

    http://tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/

    I don’t know if I’m yet convinced about that, especially when there are many of us who manage quite nicely thank you without religion, and are highly irritated that a (political) religion is threatening the world. But I have more faith in him than in those who scream “conspiracy”.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
    I’m not the first to talk about the emerging alliance between European Marxist/Socialism and Totalitarian Islam. This is real, and it is happening – right under your nose.

    “But I insist, that Israel’s survival is tied to that of the West. She is our front line, an embodiment of unambiguously Western values. The enemies we have are common enemies — Left-fascist ideology (formerly expressed as Communism, but now reorganizing around the “scientific materialism” of the environmentalist cause), and Islamo-fascist ideology (now called “Islamism,” to distinguish political from religious Islam, on the assumption that this can be done).  These are the two great contemporary Sirens, and each calls upon constituencies lodged deep in the West itself. The appeal of simplistic ideological movements spreads in the spiritual vacuum left by the recession of Christianity. But whatever dark forces answer to the command of these two great Sirens, there is agreement between the Left and the Islamists that Israel is the front line of the West, and that she is sufficiently isolated to be worth destroying first. There is moreover agreement between them that the ultimate target is “Amerika” and the whole “bourgeois, Judeo-Christian” order that has sustained our freedom and prosperity.”
     
    “What happens if our enemies succeed? I would guess it is then Green versus Green, and the Islamist monster eats the Environmentalist monster, for the former is more willful and ruthless. I risk being misunderstood at this point, for I am not exactly equating Osama bin Laden with Al Gore. Environmentalism, and the current “global warming” hysteria, is only a flag of convenience, just as the “class war” served the Left in a previous generation, and there are many alternative flags. Its root cause is a Gnostic, religious atheism: it forms and disperses and reforms like the mist. Whereas, Islamism is a unified and cogent force, with an instinctive recourse to violence.”
     
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/printpage/?url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/israels_survival_is_tied_to_th.html
     

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter said: “People like you are the ones who will take the free internet out of the hands of the rest of us, due to the self-righteousness of the gullible, susceptible and lairs.”

    Typical Marxist/Socialist propaganda here. First of all, I am not self-righteouss – alas I am a sinner; and I am not a liar.

    As for the veiled threat against free speech, that too is a feature of both European and Islamist Totalitarianism. Well, I’ve got news for you old boy; we will not give up our freedom of speech – we’ve shed too much blood and treasure obtaining it and preserving it since 1776. Freedom of speech is sacred – it is the most fundamental essence of God-given human liberty. Without human liberty and freedom of speech there is no security of human life. Defending free speech is defending liberty – defending liberty is defending life – we will defend it all!
     
    “If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”  George Washington

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
    As I said earlier, I’m not the only one who understands that Elite Multiculturalist European Marxist Socialism is forming an alliance with Totalitarian Islam. Both are anti-American because both are elitist and both would rule over the ordinary man without his consent.
    “Like the totalitarian ideologies of the twentieth century, multiculturalism identifies the Jews and the Americans as its chief enemies. Both must be defeated for their refusal to destroy themselves and merge into the post-national thought stream. And like their 20th century predecessors, the multiculturalists of today embrace radical Muslims who share their rejection of Judaism and Americanism. The multiculturalists convince their societies to accept their own destruction by indoctrinating their fellow citizens through their education systems and media…As Europeans perceive their interests, they are better off appeasing the Arabs and the Iranians and condemning Israel and the US for every step we take to combat the forces of global jihad committed to our destruction….During the Cold War, protected by the US military, Europeans could embrace cultural and national suicide without fearing the consequences of their actions. Now faced with those consequences, the Europeans have embraced their own destruction rather than abandon their multicultural model and its concomitant anti-Americanism and anti-Zionism. Israel and the US do not have anyone else to defend them. And in spite of the rantings of their cultural, media and academic elites, the Israeli and American people have no interest in committing national suicide. In light of this, both countries must move swiftly to end the Europeanization of their cultures and policies.”
     
     http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0607/glick060107.php3?printer_friendly
     

  • Liz

    The ironic thing is that all these families of Islamic terrorists, forcing their wives to have child after child…breeding like rabbits, are probably on the dole and being supported by the British government. What a world.

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    To Storm-Rider:
    I try to be careful when I say things like the above, as I know I am slightly annoyed as I write.
    Thus I said “people like you”. I was referring to the plethora of invariably unproven ranters on the web who insist that they KNOW, through divine intervention perhaps, or their ability to hang fly-like on every wall where major decisions are taken, that our western leaders are all liars and on the make.
    But if the shoe fits.
    And by the way, I am no more a “Marxist/Socialist” than you are a dispassionate political observer.
    The veiled threat against free speech is not MINE, but … perhaps, possibly, who knows … that of Tim Berners-Lee.  Or the authorities who listen to him.
    I DO have to say, Storm-Rider that I find this rather over-stating your case, and possibly a little naive, if you don’t mind me saying so:
    “Well, I’ve got news for you old boy; we will not give up our freedom of speech – we’ve shed too much blood and treasure obtaining it and preserving it since 1776. Freedom of speech is sacred – it is the most fundamental essence of God-given human liberty. Without human liberty and freedom of speech there is no security of human life. Defending free speech is defending liberty – defending liberty is defending life – we will defend it all!”
    People like you should understand the world we live in today and modern communications. Freedom of speech should be defended better but not abused, as I think it is being today, epecially by fundamental Islamists.
    We risk free speech’s continuation at all in this world where opinion online is viewed by the susceptible as fact.
    And our newspapers are now viewspapers.
    Freedom of speech without responsibilty is a different thing today than it was three centuries ago. Your rights in those days were hugely limited in comparison to today.
    Though of course you could still speak freely and loudly as they led you to the gallows for stealing a loaf of bread.
    I believe we should not hold up ONE aspect of our society as being of more importance than all others. That too is simplistic and self-limiting if we mean to advance society.
    We happily give up the right to certain things, such as viewing online child pornography, and driving whilst drunk. In the past those things were neveer even tackled. But no-one, nowhere, not ever, must question where this “freedom of speech” is taking us.
    What about the freedom of speech of those who disagree with you, and are NOT in government. Like me?
    I WANT the government to clamp down on LIES – repeat LIES – that others accept as truths without reliable corroboration.
    So. Educate me. Where’s the proof?

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    Storm-Rider – I agree with you on this:

    “But I insist, that Israel’s survival is tied to that of the West. She is our front line, an embodiment of unambiguously Western values.

    But I am not sure how you KNOW this:
    ” … around the “scientific materialism” of the environmentalist cause), and Islamo-fascist ideology (now called “Islamism,” to distinguish political from religious Islam, on the assumption that this can be done). “

    Do you believe that environmentalism will be hijacked or is being so already by Islamists?

    That’s pretty far-fetched I’d have thought, with the Islamic world’s financial dependency on oil. And the Islamist attachment to living in previous centuries as evidenced by their murderous nonsense over their interpretaion of the koran. Are you saying that these pople, disparate and politically baseless, but spread through many countries, could hijack a project as large and of as worldwide importance as environmentalism?

    I have seen the argument about the recession of Christianity allowing Islamist political/religious ideology to fill the vacuum. And perhaps that is understandable. With enlightened religion – Christianity – comes a fragile form of liberalism which is at times too tolerant of others.

    “… there is agreement between the Left and the Islamists that Israel is the front line of the West, and that she is sufficiently isolated to be worth destroying first.”

    The anti-Israel papers of the Left in the UK often make me wonder this – but I really don’t put it down to a concerted plan by our European leaders. Just too much tolerance and belief in peace at all costs. The peace-lovers would hang Bush & Blair in pursuit of their peace-loving goal. But WHY would we plan to let THEM take over OUR lands?

    It won’t happen in Britain, if I can help it.

    “There is moreover agreement between them that the ultimate target is “Amerika” and the whole “bourgeois, Judeo-Christian” order that has sustained our freedom and prosperity.”

    And why would Europe wish to destory America and put Islam in its place?

    RUBBISH!

    Liberalism in much of Europe has gone too far to the Left , imho, but that is in the complete opposite direction from everything and anything that Islamists believe in.

    “… current “global warming” hysteria, is only a flag of convenience, just as the “class war” served the Left in a previous generation, and there are many alternative flags.”

    Presumably all scientists on this subject are part of the European/Islamist conspiracy?

    I don’t think so.

    “Its root cause is a Gnostic, religious atheism: it forms and disperses and reforms like the mist. Whereas, Islamism is a unified and cogent force, with an instinctive recourse to violence.”

    Again, I disagree. Hugely. People who don’t believe in God are behaving rationally, as presumably religious people think they are [Islamists?] One thing you can never do is to force a non-believer to believe. Not unless you are an Islamist, that is, and threaten belief or death.

    People either believe or they don’t believe. You can’t force faith. The great task is to unite ALL of us, and not just the religious elements. THEN we might get somewhere.

    But at least we agree that Islamists need to be sorted out. Sharpish.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter said: “I believe we should not hold up ONE aspect of our society as being of more importance than all others. That too is simplistic and self-limiting if we mean to advance society.”

    I didn’t really expect you to value freedom of speech as we do here in America. Your understanding of human liberty and freedom of speech is way too nuanced and sophisticated four us American Cowboys and Rednecks – so much so that it is meaningless in our minds. In America we value common sense first of all – everything else then falls into place. Your elitist European uber-thought is right out of George Orwell – it is double think. Freedom of speech is the key to all human liberty, and therefore to human security. Without freedom of speech there is no human liberty – period; and without human liberty there is ultimately no right to life its self.
     
    Blair Supporter said: “What about the freedom of speech of those who disagree with you, and are NOT in government. Like me?”
     
    I’m all for you having freedom of speech; where did you get the idea that I would limit your freedom of speech?
     
    “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”  George Orwell
     
    “If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”  George Washington
     

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter said: “And by the way, I am no more a “Marxist/Socialist” than you are a dispassionate political observer.”
     
    Europe, including England, is ruled by Marxist Socialism. You have developed the Marxist nanny state, but the nanny state “scientifically” morphs into the Marxist tyrant state – and that is where you are headed – over the cliff once again. That funny noise you hear – that is the water fall of European Totalitarianism in the distance.
     
    “There is a compelling factual case to be made that the contemporary radical Left can properly be called “Neocommunist.” The Hard Left is grounded in Marxist vision of creating a “new man” under a system led by a vanguard that knows best what the rest of society needs. And Neocommies behave in patterns with startling parallels to Old Communist tactics….Today’s Neocommunists prefer to call themselves Marxists, which has again become a respected word on college campuses. But Marxism is Communist ideology. What else could it be? If you read carefully, Neocommunism is really out there, only slightly disguised. Just as Soviet propaganda insisted America was rotten to the core, so does the Hard Left and the institutions it controls parrot the line. The People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn, now a favorite history textbook in the colleges, is proud to “revise” everything we think we know about America, from the true people’s point of view. The heroes of today’s aging New Left are the Old Communist Left, not the democratic liberals of the past. Karl Marx is considered the most important “philosopher” in Britain according to the BBC.”

    “Anti-Americanism has come roaring back like a bad rash, flaring up after years of remission. Anti-American rage is pervasive on our Left and the dominant media….Why do they hate us? It’s truly not our fault. The Euro-Left hates us for winning the Cold War, and for showing capitalist democracy to be far more beneficial and compassionate than any State-controlled society. It still drives them to rage”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/10/the_evidence_for_neocommunism.html
     
    We’re all too aware of your elite and superior European socialist attitudes about America:
     
    London Daily Mirror: “Were I a Kerry voter, though, I’d feel deep anger, not only at them returning Bush to power, but for allowing the outside world to lump us all into the same category of moronic muppets. The self-righteous, gun-totin’, military-lovin’, sister-marryin’, abortion-hatin’, gay-loathin’, foreigner-despisin’, non-passport ownin’ red-necks, who believe God gave America the biggest d*ck in the world so it could urinate on the rest of us and make their land “free and strong.”
     
    Mark Steyn, a Canadian, has studied what is happening in Europe and America, and he’s come to a conclusion which you will not like.

    “It’s the Christian fundamentalists, Holy Rollers, born-again Bible Belters, and Jesus freaks of Godly America who are rational and skeptical, especially of Euro-delusions. It’s secular Europe that’s living on faith. Uncowed by Islamists, undeferential to government, unshriveled in its birth rates, redneck America is a more reliable long-term bet.”  Mark Steyn
     

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter said: “Liberalism in much of Europe has gone too far to the Left , imho, but that is in the complete opposite direction from everything and anything that Islamists believe in.”
     
    Not true, there is a link between Modern European Marxist Socialism and Seventh Century Islamism:  Both would rule without the consent of the governed. There is logic to what is happening in England and other European nations. The leaders of most European nations are elite Marxist Socialists and they have a natural affinity for others, such as Islamists, who have a similar elite attitude toward government. Here are the things that the governing European elite have in common with our Islamist enemies:
     
    1. Leftists and Islamists do not believe that all men are created equal because they do not believe in the Biblical Creator. Leftists redefine equality as government-forced Marxist/Socialist economic equality, not equality before the Biblical God and the law. Islamists don’t try to re-define human equality; they don’t believe in human equality: Muslims are believed to be superior to non-Muslims, and men are believed to be superior to women –  according to their non-Biblical god.
     
    2. Leftists do not believe that we are endowed by our Biblical Creator with inalienable human rights, i.e.: our sacred rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. As mentioned they most often don’t believe in the Biblical God, and they therefore believe that human rights are derived from Socialist human government; and while not admitting the logic of it, they believe human rights are government privileges, and therefore reversible and not unalienable. The god of Islam is not believed by Islamists to be a god who is the giver of our human rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness; rather their god is believed to be one of war, conquest, murder, and subjugation – opposite of the Biblical God.
     
    3. Leftists do not believe that government power should derive from the consent of the governed. They are elitists and believe, like Plato, that government power should derive from the “superior intellects” of the “philosopher kings”, i.e.: leftists such as themselves.  Islamists likewise do not believe in government power derived through the consent of the governed; they believe in government power derived from “superior religion” and “philosopher clerics.”
     
    So, there you have it; the link between Elite European Marsist/Socialists and Elite Islamists: They both hate government of the people, by the people and for the people, and they wish for it to perish from the earth.

     
    It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they  gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”  Abraham Lincoln

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
     
    Even a few Europeans are waking up to the fact that your European Marxist Socialism is simply a velvet glove concealing the iron fist of neo-Communism.
     
    “It is no accident that the European Parliament, for example, reminds me of the Supreme Soviet… It looks like the Supreme Soviet because it was designed like it. Similarly, when you look at the European Commission it looks like the Politburo. I mean it does so exactly, except for the fact that the Commission now has 25 members and the Politburo usually had 13 or 15 members. Apart from that they are exactly the same, unaccountable to anyone, not directly elected by anyone at all. When you look into all this bizarre activity of the European Union with its 80,000 pages of regulations it looks like Gosplan…. If you go through all the structures and features of this emerging European monster you will notice that it more and more resembles the Soviet Union. Of course, it is a milder version of the Soviet Union. Please, do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that it has a Gulag. It has no KGB… not yet…but I am very carefully watching such structures as Europol for example. That really worries me a lot because this organization will probably have powers bigger than those of the KGB. They will have diplomatic immunity. Can you imagine a KGB with diplomatic immunity? They will have to police us on 32 kinds of crimes … two of which are particularly worrying, one is called racism, another is called xenophobia. No criminal court on earth defines anything like this as a crime. So it is a new crime, and we have already been warned. Someone from the British government told us that those who object to uncontrolled immigration from the Third World will be regarded as racist and those who oppose further European integration will be regarded as xenophobes.”  Vladimir Bukovksy
     
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865

    “It is based on big and patronizing government, on extensive regulating of human behavior, and on large-scale income redistribution….There is always a limiting (or constraining) of human freedom, there is always ambitious social engineering, there is always an immodest ‘enforcement of a good’ by those who are anointed on others against their will, there is always the crowding out of standard democratic methods by alternative political procedures, and there is always the feeling of superiority of intellectuals and of their ambitions.”  President of the Czeck Republic, Václav Klaus

    “These alternative ideologies are successful especially where there is no sufficient resistance to them, where they find a fertile soil for their flourishing, where they find a country (or the whole continent) where freedom (and free markets) have been heavily undermined by long lasting collectivistic dreams and experiences and where intellectuals have succeeded in getting and maintaining a very strong voice and social status. I have in mind, of course, rather Europe, than America. It is Europe where we witness the crowding out of democracy by post democracy, where the EU dominance replaces democratic arrangements in the EU member countries, where [some people] do not see the dangers of empty Europeanism and of a deep (and ever deeper) but only bureaucratic unification of the whole European continent. They applaud the growing formal opening of the continent, but do not see that the elimination of some of the borders without actual liberalization of human activities ‘only’ shifts governments upwards, which means to the level where there is no democratic accountability and where the decisions are made by politicians appointed by politicians, not elected by citizens in free elections.”  President of the Czeck Republic, Václav Klaus

    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/206
     

  • Kal

    Blair Supporter,

    Since your personal contacts know that the Labour and Tory sops are VERY worried but afraid to anger the muslims, are  you telling us they would rather watch the muslims kill, rape, vandalize and riot, than offend them by telling the TRUTH?

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    Storm-Rider,

    I am adding to my blog right now and keeping an eye on the news – with all this Lehman’s collapse and people about to oust Brown I have other things to do. So if you can manage without me, I think I’ll have to call it a day here.

    But you should know a few things.

    1. I am highly pro-America. If you had spent any time at my blog you would have seen that. I love America and I love its people. I spend a lot of time there.
    2. I do not look down on ANY country, well, not many – and not a democratic western country like your great land. Though I do have some issues with a lot of fundamentalist Islam sates.
    3. Your constitution is based on our unwritten one (!) and those of other parts of Europe – though I like yours more! We haven’t even got around to writing one yet here in the UK – we’re such an extremely mad organising Marxist state, y’know.
    4. London may well take over from New York as the financial centre of the world, especially after today – if America is going down the chute, but I doubt it. But you can bet your bottom dollar that WE are on YOUR side. ALWAYS. And if Blair becomes the EU President, which I sincerely hope he does, he will NEVER give in to Islamist fundamentalism. That’s one of the reasons he was forced from office by the Old Left in his party. He came down on the too hard. The enemy might be within – the liberal Left – but they are not a concerted, organized effort.

    And in Europe, even such as Sarkozy are now on board. The Left is on a slippery slope.

    Enjoy sorting out the world.

    My recent post on America:

    9/11 And Why I, A Brit, Would Be Proud To Be American

    http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/911-and-why-i-a-brit-would-be-proud-to-be-american/

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    Storm-Rider, I am adding to my blog right now and keeping an eye on the news – with all this Lehman’s collapse and people about to oust Gordon Brown I have other things to do. So if you can manage without me, I think I’ll have to call it a day here. But you should know a few things.

    1. I am highly pro-America. If you had spent any time at my blog you would have seen that. I love America and I love its people. I spend a lot of time there.
    2. I do not look down on ANY country, well, not many – and not a democratic western country like your great land. Though I do have some issues with a lot of fundamentalist Islam sates.
    3. Your constitution is based on our unwritten one (!) and those of other parts of Europe – though I like yours more! We haven’t even got around to writing one yet here in the UK – we’re such an extremely mad organising Marxist state, y’know.
    4. London may well take over from New York as the financial centre of the world, especially after today – if America is going down the chute, but I doubt it. But you can bet your bottom dollar that WE are on YOUR side. ALWAYS. And if Blair becomes the EU President, which I sincerely hope he does, he will NEVER give in to Islamist fundamentalism. That’s one of the reasons he was forced from office by the Old Left in his party. He came down on them too hard. The enemy might be within – the liberal Left – but they are not a concerted, organized effort. And in Europe, even such as Sarkozy are now on board. The Left is on a slippery slope.

    Enjoy sorting out the world.

    My recent post on America: 9/11 And Why I, A Brit, Would Be Proud To Be American

    http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/911-and-why-i-a-brit-would-be-proud-to-be-american/

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    Kal – a quickie.

    “Since your personal contacts know that the Labour and Tory sops are VERY worried but afraid to anger the muslims, are  you telling us they would rather watch the muslims kill, rape, vandalize and riot, than offend them by telling the TRUTH?”
    Some of the time, I wonder!
    I DO tell them all the time and daily at my blog which has morphed from the Keep Tony Blair site which it started as into a Watch Out For Islamists hotspot. I get regular visits from Members of Parliament, though they seldom leave messages. Too intimidated. But my stats tell me they’ve been.

    We have a lot of problems though, I am the first to admit, with recognition of the Islamist threat. NONE of the major parties are facing this properly. The Conservative opposition under David Cameron is shamefully silent on this.
    Blair said plenty, passed plenty of laws, and the liberal left said he was stealing OUR human & civil rights. Absolute nonsense. The intelligentsia press pursued him, and traduced his name, until he could take no more. Then the Brownites in his party stabbed him in the back, front and everywhere else. Now many of them want him back!
    http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/
    Gordon Brown is useless on everything and is in a precarious position right now.
    http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/labour-members-call-for-blair-return-as-pm-via-glenrothes-by-election/

    I’ll keep telling them like it is, though Kal.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
    Well, I may have misjudged you as an individual, so please take my comments as criticisms of European governments; particularly as seen by me – on this side of the ocean - stretching back in a long view of history.

    I know that most ordinary people of England and of Europe are good people; but I do have a certain Europhobia – particularly after the twentieth century. It is hard to get Nazism and Communism out of my mind – death camps – gulags – human slavery on a massive scale – mass murder – wars of aggression – goose-stepping Nazi Soldiers – goose-stepping Soviet Soldiers – Vichy French collaborators of Nazism – Eastern European collaborators of Communism – Karl Marx – Friedrich Nietzsche. I’m not a fan of European government, which in my mind, even to this day, has never recovered from the totalitarian influence of the Roman Empire.

    Don’t get me wrong; I love the great contributions of European civilization in all other areas of life – areas of life outside of authoritarian or totalitarian human government. Give me more of Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Max Planck, Beethoven, Mozart and John Locke. I’ve traveled to Europe three times now, and I’ll never forget standing by Isaac Newton’s grave in Westminster Abbey as the A cappella choir sang Gregorian Chants in Latin. My hair literally stood on end as the haunting melody reverberated through the Cathedral – an experience I’ll take to my grave as one of the most sublime moments of my life – I can still hear it – and it still gives me joy as I type.

    Blair Supporter, I fear Europe; but I also pray for Europe – and for you.

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    Here’s the info about sharia courts in Britain.

    http://howrah.org/World/29658.html

    I knew there was more than one.  Some of us ARE very concerned about this. Don’t get me wrong. I just don’t think we should line every Muslim up against a wall and shoot ‘em. We should just do that to the liberal intelligentsia and press.

    But the moderate Muslims DO need to sort it out.

    I took some hours transcribing this TV programme that Anjem Choudary made just after 7/7 London bombings.

    Now THIS guy – where’s that gun?

    http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/transcript-anjem-choudary-hardtalk-interview-77-london-bombings/

    Read it and watch it. It disgusts me that he is not behind bars.  He came back from his latest venture in Lebanon last week to celebrate 9/11. And the police didn’t know! A newspaper told them.

    i feel a new post coming on.

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    OK, Storm-Rider,

    We all get a little overwrought at times on certain things, don’t we?

    I am probably odd in that my blog was set up to support someone or something. Most political blogs are set up to knock someone or something down. I prefer the positive approach.

    That was part of my reference to Tim Berners-Lee’s remarks on disinformation. There is so much anti-everything stuff flying round the ether and a lot of it is hot air and prejudice.

    I wish we all felt a touch more human empathy at times instead of always looking for reasons to hate, especially towards those on our own side.

    I know who is on my side.

    All the best to you.

  • Kal

    Blair Supporter, Then YOU are not part of the problem, but of the solution. Good to know. Unfortunately your politicians seem to have their heads in each others arses, hiding for fear of offending the very muslim jihadists who want to turn the whole of England into another sh*thole like Pakistan or Saudi Barbaria. I am fully aware there are folks like you (Lionheart – http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/ ) comes to mind, however he is under constant harrassment for telling the truth – FROM YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,

    You say that you are not a Marxist, and I believe you; but you are immersed in a post-democratic Socialist Europe which is Marxist. Sometimes it is difficult to see the forrest because of all the trees, and I feel sorry for you; because as a good man you are fighting what appears to be a losing battle. Here are some excerpts from an article that I highly recommend to you. All I can say is good luck to you; you’ll need it, because I really believe Europe is headed off a cliff again. Like a moth to a flame, Europe is again headed to Totalitarianism. God help you.

    “Many of the proponents don’t believe in the doctrine of Multiculturalism themselves, so we shouldn’t waste any time analyzing the logic behind it, because there is none. A desire to break down Western society is certainly there, but I do believe there are some ideas about the desired end result articulated as well. On one hand, we’re supposed to “celebrate” our differences at the same time as it is racist and taboo to recognize that any differences between groups of people exist at all. This is hardly logically coherent, which is why Multiculturalism can only be enforced by totalitarian means….We are told to treat cultural and historical identities as fashion accessories, shirts we can wear and change at will. The Multicultural society is “colorful,” an adjective normally attached to furniture or curtains….We should remember that this view of culture as largely unimportant is essentially a Marxist view of the world….All aspects of your person, from language via culture to skin color and religion, are treated as imaginary social constructs….Socialism has destroyed the very fabric of society. Our countries have become so damaged that people feel there is nothing left fighting for, which no doubt was the intention.”
     
    “I have heard individuals state point blank that even if Muslims become the majority in our countries in the future, this doesn’t matter because all people are equal and all cultures are just a mix of everything else, anyway. And since religions are just fairy-tales, replacing one fairy-tale, Christianity, with another fairy-tale, Islam, won’t make a big difference….However, not one of them would ever dream of saying that all political ideologies “basically mean the same thing.” They simply don’t view religious or cultural ideas as significant, and thus won’t spend time on studying the largely unimportant details of each specific creed. This is Marxist materialism….The unstated premise behind this is that the age of distinct cultures is over. All peoples around the world will gradually blend into one another. Ethnic, religious and racial tensions will disappear, because mankind will be one and equal. It’s cultural and genetic Communism. Nation states who create their own laws and uphold their own borders constitute “discrimination” and an obstacle to this new Utopia, and will gradually have to be dismantled”
     
     
    “The extreme Left didn’t succeed in staging a violent revolution in the West, so they decided to go for a permanent, structural revolution instead. They now hope that immigrants can provide raw material for a violent rebellion, especially since many of them are Muslims who have displayed such a wonderful talent for violence and destruction. The Western Left are importing a new proletariat, since the previous one disappointed them….I have personally read statements by leading media figures not just in Sweden, but all over Western Europe, who openly brag about censoring coverage of issues related to mass immigration and the Multicultural society….Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt has said: “Belgium is the laboratory of European unification.” What kind of confidence does it inspire in citizens that their supposed leader talks about their country as a laboratory? Are their children guinea pigs?…. The Dutch writer Margriet de Moor provides another example of why Multiculturalism is a massive experiment in social engineering, every bit as radical and dangerous as Communism. Ms. de Moor lives in some kind of alternate reality where “Europe’s affluence and free speech” will create an Islamic Reformation. But Muslim immigration constitutes a massive drain on the former, and is slowly, but surely destroying the latter”
     
    “Far from being irrelevant, culture is a massively important factor in shaping a society. Islam’s hostility to free speech is why Muslims never had any Scientific or Industrial Revolution….British PM Tony Blair is stepping down after having ruined his country more in one decade than arguably any other leader has done before him. He ran on the platform of New Labour, but as it turned out, his party was still wed to the same old ideas of international Socialism….According to the writer Melanie Phillips, “He is driven by a universalist world view which minimizes the profound nature of the conflicts that divide people. He thinks that such divisions belong essentially to a primitive past…. Hence his closely-related obsession with ‘universal’ human rights law. Hence also his belief that national borders no longer matter, that mass immigration is a good thing and that Britain’s unique identity must give way to multiculturalism. This is the way, he thinks, to eradicate conflict, prejudice and war, and create a global utopia. What a profound misjudgment. It is, instead, the way to destroy democracy and the independent nations that create and sustain it.”
     
    “One of the really big mistakes we made after the Cold War ended was to declare that Socialism was now dead, and thus no longer anything to worry about. Here we are, nearly a generation later, discovering that Marxist thinking has penetrated every single stratum of our society, from the universities to the media. While the “hard” Marxism of the Soviet Union may have collapsed, at least for now, the “soft” Marxism of the Western Left has actually grown stronger….Alexander Boot, a Russian by birth, left for the West in the 1970s, only to discover that the West he was seeking was no longer there….The former Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovksy, who has warned that the European Union is on its way to becoming another Soviet Union, thinks that while the West won the Cold War in a military sense, we lost it in the context of ideas: “Communism might have been dead, but the communists remained in power in most of the former Warsaw bloc countries, while their Western collaborators came to power all over the world (in Europe in particular). This is nothing short of a miracle: the defeat of the Nazis in 1945 quite logically brought a shift to the Left in world politics, while a defeat of communism in 1991 brought again a shift to the Left, this time quite illogically. Bukovksy is right: We never had a thorough de-Marxification process after the Cold War, similar to the de-Nazification after WW2, and we are now paying the price….Marxism is an organized crime against humanity.”
     
    “Ideas matter. Individuals matter. Cultures matter. Truth matters, and truth exists. We used to know that. It’s time we get to know it again, and reject false ideas about the irrelevance of culture. We are not racists for desiring to pass on our heritage to future generations, nor are we evil for resisting to be treated as lab rats in social experiments on a horrific scale. We must nip the ideology of transnational Multiculturalism and unlimited mass migration in the bud by exposing it for what it is: A Communism for the 21st century.”
     
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2125/print
     

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    Hi Kal,

    I’ve had look at Lionheart’s site. In which ways is he under harrassment? I have never been harrassed by the government, Brownites, Blairites or anyone else for that matter, though plenty of people have writen to disagree with me, and call me a “war criminal – like Blair”. I tend to ignore them.

    What does he mean by “harrassment”? Do you have a link to that?

    I’d be interested to read it.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
    You say that you are not a Marxist, and I believe you; but you are immersed in a post-democratic Socialist Europe which is Marxist. Sometimes it is difficult to see the forrest because of all the trees, and I feel sorry for you; because as a good man you are fighting what appears to be a losing battle. Here are some excerpts from an article that I highly recommend to you. All I can say is good luck to you; you’ll need it, because I really believe Europe is headed off a cliff again. Like a moth to a flame, Europe is again headed to Totalitarianism. God help you.
    “Many of the proponents don’t believe in the doctrine of Multiculturalism themselves, so we shouldn’t waste any time analyzing the logic behind it, because there is none. A desire to break down Western society is certainly there, but I do believe there are some ideas about the desired end result articulated as well. On one hand, we’re supposed to “celebrate” our differences at the same time as it is racist and taboo to recognize that any differences between groups of people exist at all. This is hardly logically coherent, which is why Multiculturalism can only be enforced by totalitarian means….We are told to treat cultural and historical identities as fashion accessories, shirts we can wear and change at will. The Multicultural society is “colorful,” an adjective normally attached to furniture or curtains….We should remember that this view of culture as largely unimportant is essentially a Marxist view of the world….All aspects of your person, from language via culture to skin color and religion, are treated as imaginary social constructs….Socialism has destroyed the very fabric of society. Our countries have become so damaged that people feel there is nothing left fighting for, which no doubt was the intention.”
     
    “I have heard individuals state point blank that even if Muslims become the majority in our countries in the future, this doesn’t matter because all people are equal and all cultures are just a mix of everything else, anyway. And since religions are just fairy-tales, replacing one fairy-tale, Christianity, with another fairy-tale, Islam, won’t make a big difference….However, not one of them would ever dream of saying that all political ideologies “basically mean the same thing.” They simply don’t view religious or cultural ideas as significant, and thus won’t spend time on studying the largely unimportant details of each specific creed. This is Marxist materialism….The unstated premise behind this is that the age of distinct cultures is over. All peoples around the world will gradually blend into one another. Ethnic, religious and racial tensions will disappear, because mankind will be one and equal. It’s cultural and genetic Communism. Nation states who create their own laws and uphold their own borders constitute “discrimination” and an obstacle to this new Utopia, and will gradually have to be dismantled”
     
     
    “The extreme Left didn’t succeed in staging a violent revolution in the West, so they decided to go for a permanent, structural revolution instead. They now hope that immigrants can provide raw material for a violent rebellion, especially since many of them are Muslims who have displayed such a wonderful talent for violence and destruction. The Western Left are importing a new proletariat, since the previous one disappointed them….I have personally read statements by leading media figures not just in Sweden, but all over Western Europe, who openly brag about censoring coverage of issues related to mass immigration and the Multicultural society….Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt has said: “Belgium is the laboratory of European unification.” What kind of confidence does it inspire in citizens that their supposed leader talks about their country as a laboratory? Are their children guinea pigs?…. The Dutch writer Margriet de Moor provides another example of why Multiculturalism is a massive experiment in social engineering, every bit as radical and dangerous as Communism. Ms. de Moor lives in some kind of alternate reality where “Europe’s affluence and free speech” will create an Islamic Reformation. But Muslim immigration constitutes a massive drain on the former, and is slowly, but surely destroying the latter”
     
    “Far from being irrelevant, culture is a massively important factor in shaping a society. Islam’s hostility to free speech is why Muslims never had any Scientific or Industrial Revolution….British PM Tony Blair is stepping down after having ruined his country more in one decade than arguably any other leader has done before him. He ran on the platform of New Labour, but as it turned out, his party was still wed to the same old ideas of international Socialism….According to the writer Melanie Phillips, “He is driven by a universalist world view which minimizes the profound nature of the conflicts that divide people. He thinks that such divisions belong essentially to a primitive past…. Hence his closely-related obsession with ‘universal’ human rights law. Hence also his belief that national borders no longer matter, that mass immigration is a good thing and that Britain’s unique identity must give way to multiculturalism. This is the way, he thinks, to eradicate conflict, prejudice and war, and create a global utopia. What a profound misjudgment. It is, instead, the way to destroy democracy and the independent nations that create and sustain it.”
     
    “One of the really big mistakes we made after the Cold War ended was to declare that Socialism was now dead, and thus no longer anything to worry about. Here we are, nearly a generation later, discovering that Marxist thinking has penetrated every single stratum of our society, from the universities to the media. While the “hard” Marxism of the Soviet Union may have collapsed, at least for now, the “soft” Marxism of the Western Left has actually grown stronger….Alexander Boot, a Russian by birth, left for the West in the 1970s, only to discover that the West he was seeking was no longer there….The former Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovksy, who has warned that the European Union is on its way to becoming another Soviet Union, thinks that while the West won the Cold War in a military sense, we lost it in the context of ideas: “Communism might have been dead, but the communists remained in power in most of the former Warsaw bloc countries, while their Western collaborators came to power all over the world (in Europe in particular). This is nothing short of a miracle: the defeat of the Nazis in 1945 quite logically brought a shift to the Left in world politics, while a defeat of communism in 1991 brought again a shift to the Left, this time quite illogically. Bukovksy is right: We never had a thorough de-Marxification process after the Cold War, similar to the de-Nazification after WW2, and we are now paying the price….Marxism is an organized crime against humanity.”
     
    “Ideas matter. Individuals matter. Cultures matter. Truth matters, and truth exists. We used to know that. It’s time we get to know it again, and reject false ideas about the irrelevance of culture. We are not racists for desiring to pass on our heritage to future generations, nor are we evil for resisting to be treated as lab rats in social experiments on a horrific scale. We must nip the ideology of transnational Multiculturalism and unlimited mass migration in the bud by exposing it for what it is: A Communism for the 21st century.”

    See my comment above for the link to this article – it should appear a little later as it is now being moderated.

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    Storm-Rider,

    I can see that the quotes you included here are frightening for western free democracies. But, back to my first point, I don’t accept that it is all valid. Much of it is opinion.

    “Far from being irrelevant, culture is a massively important factor in shaping a society. Islam’s hostility to free speech is why Muslims never had any Scientific or Industrial Revolution….British PM Tony Blair is stepping down after having ruined his country more in one decade than arguably any other leader has done before him. He ran on the platform of New Labour, but as it turned out, his party was still wed to the same old ideas of international Socialism….According to the writer Melanie Phillips, “He is driven by a universalist world view which minimizes the profound nature of the conflicts that divide people. He thinks that such divisions belong essentially to a primitive past…. Hence his closely-related obsession with ‘universal’ human rights law. Hence also his belief that national borders no longer matter, that mass immigration is a good thing and that Britain’s unique identity must give way to multiculturalism. This is the way, he thinks, to eradicate conflict, prejudice and war, and create a global utopia. What a profound misjudgment. It is, instead, the way to destroy democracy and the independent nations that create and sustain it.”

    For instance, Melanie Phillips is a good writer, Jewish, and has called London ‘Londonistan’.   I have a lot of sympathy with that. Parts of London now are devoid of white ethnics. But she is ambivalent on Blair and does not always refer to him in the way above. She believes he was right about Iraq, as do I.

    And to blame Blair for multi-culturalism’s undesired effects, is party political in the extreme. Her party, the Conservatives, started allowing, encouraging even huge immigration from Asian lands, not Blair’s party. And her party kept doing so right up until they were booted out by Blair in 1997, after 18 years. It is easy now to cast blame, with our eyes on recent events, but it has been long a-brewing.

    I don’t even blame the Tories, much less Blair’s party (I don’t belong to any party).  There most probably should have been sterner tests put in place and stricter integration requirements YEARS ago, long before Blair. He DID try to bring those in, but was not supported by the liberal left in his party, the opposition, the lawyers, the civil righters, the police, the press and we were told – the country at large. They had this fond if naive view, that if we treat everyone as we would like to be treated (based on Christianity even if most of them don’t practise religious observance) they would all see the errors of their ways. Sounds unlikely now that we see creeping Islamisation around us. But for years, decades even, everyone was signed up to this, the Conservatives included.

    Ms Phillips was asked, not by me, to write an article criticising the lawyer who urged Al Qaeda to kill Tony Blair. Her own husband is a lawyer. Although she privately thought the barrister’s words abhorrent, she declined because, I understand, she did not want to cause trouble for other lawyers.

    Since she is someone who regularly appears on Radio 4′s Moral Maze, she seemed to me to take an interesting moral stance there. I suppose she’d have happily written about it AFTER such an event, perched on a secure high-horse pronouncing her self-evident truths … he brought it upon himself for being too easy-going on immigrants, multi-culturalism etc … what else could he expect etc etc …

    A large dose of salt should be imbibed when reading journalists’ political views.

    When it comes down to it, I still feel I know who is on my side, however they go about proving it in this dangerous world.

    I DO think culture is important. My other half hates to see immigrants dressed as though still in their own countries of birth. I find that irritating but bearable, just. But I hate to hear the calls to prayers going off five times a day in certain parts of London. And Mr Blair lives around the corner, when he’s here, from a major London road, Edgware Road where you struggle to see a British (white ethnic) based face or business.

    Oh I understand the issues alright.

    For me, I await with interest the next general election. There is as yet NO party, I mean none apart from the racist British National Party, who are blending the right mixture of rights and responsibilities on this. I believe if Blair were running the country things might well be different. Or am I being naive in that? Possibly. But he has a greater faith in faith than I have. Let’s hope he’s right. He will know that he is presently dealing with people whose religion permits, orders them to lie for the sake of Allah.

    Last time I looked the Bible didn’t say anything like that.  “Love thy neighbour” was its watchword. And we tried, we surely tried, in this heathen land of mine.

    Believe me I have my concerns. And they’re deep.

    There is out, right now, a frightening report on immigration. I’ll probably read it and use it at my blog.

    All the best to you all, and watch your backs.

  • Kal

    Blair Supporter,

    Here is the first links I can recall –
    http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2008/01/british-police-have-been-charged-with.html

    http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2008/07/glen-jenvey-threatened-with-arrest.html

    If you read his blog there are sure to be plenty more. He is not the only one, look at what muslims are doing to your politicians, and the no-go zones all over England where muslims enforce shariah law and harrass kuffar who dare to enter. Not to mention how your media panders to jihad by labelling muslims who violently attack British teenagers and rape wantonly as “Asian youths”.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
    I didn’t mean to blame Tony Blair for all the problems of Europe, but I believe he is part of the problem – even if he believes he is doing right. Your points about Melanie Phillips are well taken, but she is right to point out Mr. Blair’s mistaken faith in multiculturalism. I believe Mr. Blair must be a good man on a personal level, but multiculturalism is a lie; and Mr. Blair, along with many other European leaders, is part of it.

    “At the heart of multiculturalism is a lie: that all cultures are equally “valid.” To accept that proposition means denying reality – the reality of any objective measure of human freedom, societal health, and global population movement. Multiculturalism is not the first ideology founded on the denial of truth. You’ll recall Hermann Goering’s memorable assertion that “two plus two makes five if the Fuhrer wills it….contemporary multiculturalism absolves one from knowing anything about other cultures as long as one feels warm and fluffy toward them.  After all, if it’s grossly judgmental to say one culture’s better than another, why bother learning about the differences. “Celebrate diversity” with a uniformity of ignorance.”  Mark Steyn

    As our Declaration of Independence says, “all men are created equal,” but all ideas and all cultures are not created equal. Some ideas are evil and some cultures become evil: Nazi, Communist, Islamist.

    Again, I hope and pray that England and the rest of Europe can right the ship; it is listing toward totalitarianism in my opinion. I fear for your future because I really do see an alliance between European Multicultural Marxist Socialism and Islamism. The elitism of both systems of government is the problem, and that is where America stands alone – just government power deriving from the consent of the governed – Government of the people, by the people, for the people – Divinely ordained and irreversible human rights.

    My ancestry is English. My father’s middle name was Wellington, and so too my son; but I fear for your beautiful Island. You must hate evil – you must fight evil – don’t let it destroy you.
     
     
    “I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”   Thomas Jefferson
     
     
    “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”   Patrick Henry
     

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
    I guess one of the things that I’m really trying to say is this:  In the long run what Tony Blair and the ruling Elite of England thinks about Islam is not as important as what the ordinary people of England think about the invasion of Islam into England. What about the ordinary people? What about the people of England? Who cares what Tony Blair thinks in comparison to the people of England. You need a revolution – not another Communist Revolution – and certainly not an Islamist Revolution – you need your own version of the American Revolution – to place just government power into the hands of the people - not the elite – just government power which derives from the consent of the governed.

    “The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.”  Thomas Jefferson

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    Yes, you could say “what does it matter what Blair thinks?” Except that most people in this country are not even slightly interested in politics. There is nothing like the excitement that there is over in the states over elections. The events that you hold are cheered to the rafters. It just doesn’t happen here.  We take our politics pretty much for granted and very lightly.

    The ordinary people look to the leaders to have their fingers on the pulse, on the whole, so that they can get on with their lives. And that’s my concern. We don’t seem to have any political leaders telling it like it is. That’s why my mention of Blair. I don’t think he would say nothing.

    And most people just don;t think it is a real problem. I know that becasue I ahev spoken to some in my own family. Because the British have always withstood invaders – Vikings/Roman/Nazis etc, they don;t see thatthe threat is different.

    I only mention Blair because I only recall HIM telling us that this is a different kind of war. But not many people paid attention. They thought he was inventing the threat to cover his own ‘accountability’ for what the press said was an illegal war – Iraq.

    The papers again!

    A revolution! What a thought. The British don’t revolt!

    They wouldn’t be able to agree what they are revolting about.

    Sadly, I think it’ll take another major terror atrocity for opinions to move on this. In fact, without that I have a feeling that they will never sit up and take notice.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair supporter,

    As you say, the people of England and of other European nations are certainly not in charge of their own destiny – their destiny is in the hands of their elite leaders – this is Socialism – government of the elite, by the elite and for the elite – government power which does not derive from the consent of the governed.

    The Elite European Marxist/Socialist leaders will do more deals with the Elite Islamist leaders over the heads of the European people; and the “little people” of Europe will have to accommodate themselves to the new reality. The new reality is Islamic Sharia Law – just another example of unjust government power which does not derive from the consent of the governed. The whole purpose of Islamic Terrorism is the establishment of Islamic Sharia Law.

    “It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they  gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”  Abraham Lincoln

    God help you.

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    I’m obviously never going to reassure you that we are NOT a socialist country – or probably even continent. You’ve made your mind up.

    Closed minds are hard to prise open.

    The idea that Blair, although from Labour, was a “socialist” in the way you mean is laughable. One of the reasons he went was because people could see from everything he ever said and did that he was NOT socialist in that way.

    But never mind, you know our politicians better than I do, it seems.

    Btw, the whole purpose of Islamism is to create a worldwide caliphate. Sharia law is just a stepping stone along the way. There is now a petition at the Downing Street website against Sharia. I’ve signed it. Wonder how many signatories it’ll get? Not the millions who were againt road pricing. We are very local in our concerns in Britain. Too local.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
    You say I have a closed mind and that I don’t know about Socialism. My mind is not closed, it just disagrees with your mind. I would say that you are living under Socialism but won’t admit it.

    How about hearing what a European anti-Socialist says about Socialism:

    “It (Socialism) is based on big and patronizing government, on extensive regulating of human behavior, and on large-scale income redistribution….There is always a limiting (or constraining) of human freedom, there is always ambitious social engineering, there is always an immodest ‘enforcement of a good’ by those who are anointed on others against their will, there is always the crowding out of standard democratic methods by alternative political procedures, and there is always the feeling of superiority of intellectuals and of their ambitions….These alternative ideologies are successful especially where there is no sufficient resistance to them, where they find a fertile soil for their flourishing, where they find a country (or the whole continent) where freedom (and free markets) have been heavily undermined by long lasting collectivistic dreams and experiences and where intellectuals have succeeded in getting and maintaining a very strong voice and social status. I have in mind, of course, rather Europe, than America. It is Europe where we witness the crowding out of democracy by post democracy, where the EU dominance replaces democratic arrangements in the EU member countries, where [some people] do not see the dangers of empty Europeanism and of a deep (and ever deeper) but only bureaucratic unification of the whole European continent. They applaud the growing formal opening of the continent, but do not see that the elimination of some of the borders without actual liberalization of human activities ‘only’ shifts governments upwards, which means to the level where there is no democratic accountability and where the decisions are made by politicians appointed by politicians, not elected by citizens in free elections.”  President of the Czeck Republic, Václav Klaus

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/choudary-next-911-will-be-in-the-uk-and-have-more-muslim-babies-and-we-will-take-over-from-within/ BlairSupporter

    You are now being stupid, and won’t admit it. Why would I be a socialist and not admit it? I expect you would admit it if it ws suggested that you are a right-wing extremist.

    The only ones in MY country, and it’s mine, so I have studied it at close quarters. The only ones who sound like the below are our liberal press:

    No-on else. NO-ONE ELSE.

    There is always a limiting (or constraining) of human freedom, there is always ambitious social engineering, there is always an immodest ‘enforcement of a good’ by those who are anointed on others against their will, there is always the crowding out of standard democratic methods by alternative political procedures, and there is always the feeling of superiority of intellectuals and of their ambitions….These alternative ideologies are successful especially where there is no sufficient resistance to them, where they find a fertile soil for their flourishing, where they find a country (or the whole continent) where freedom (and free markets) have been heavily undermined by long lasting collectivistic dreams and experiences and where intellectuals have succeeded in getting and maintaining a very strong voice and social status.

    You need to stop swallowing theories and other’s thoughts and look at the evidence. The evidence is very different from what you say, economically, socially and in every other way.

    But yes, we do have an Islam problem.

    That is the fault of the careless tolerant people who do not ask enough questions.

    That’s why strong leadership is required.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
    Václav Klaus is no lightweight, and he says there is Socialism in Europe, and that it is a threat to human liberty. I agree with him and disagree with you – not that I believe you are a bad person – I believe you are a very good person.

    Also, I didn’t say that you were a Socialist, I’ve said – and I believe – that you are living under Socialism.

    Socialism in my mind is simply government power which derives from an elite class of people – government power of an elite minority – government power which does not derive from the consent of the governed.

     “World socialism as a whole, and all the figures associated with it, are shrouded in legend; its contradictions are forgotten or concealed; it does not respond to arguments but continually ignores them–all this stems from the mist of irrationality that surrounds socialism and from its instinctive aversion to scientific analysis…. The doctrines of socialism seethe with contradictions, its theories are at constant odds with its practice, yet due to a powerful instinct–also laid bare by Shafarevich–these contradictions do not in the least hinder the unending propaganda of socialism. Indeed, no precise, distinct socialism even exists; instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something noble and good, of equality, communal ownership, and justice: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach….  The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and “God-like” aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity…. It could probably be said that the majority of states in the history of mankind have been “socialist.” But it is also true that these were in no sense periods or places of human happiness or creativity.”  Alexander Solzhenitsyn
     

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
    BTY – We have Socialism in America as well – mostly through our Democratic Party which is trying to make the United States more like Europe in this regard. They have foisted a system of eliteism here as well – starting with our “New Deal.” Our American Socialists have accomplished a level of Socialism here by violating our tenth amdndment and through Supreme Court Activism – taking political power out of the hands of our states and our people. So, I also level my criticism to elements of our own society as well.

  • Storm-Rider

    “The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.”  Thomas Jefferson

  • Storm-Rider

    Elite European Secularists, i.e.: Socialists, are forming an alliance with Elite European Islamists. Where does this leave the ordinary British people? What is the attitutde of Elite British Socialists and their new Elite Islamist allies: To hell with the British people – we will have government of the Secular and Islamist Elite,  by the Secular and Islamis Elite and for the Secular and Islamist Elite. Europe has the same problem it has had since the Roman Empire – government of the elite class – government power which does not derive from the consent of the governed – and this is what European Socialism has in common with Islam – Eliteism. Elite European Socialists have allied with Elite Islamists - they are forming an alliance against human liberty – they look down their noses at the British people.

    “Ken Livingstone, the former Left-wing Mayor of London, has also openly embraced Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a man who believes that wives can be beaten into submission, that homosexuals should be executed, and pregnant Israeli women should be murdered. The UK’s Left-wing Respect Coalition Party asserts that opposition to radical Islam is “the new racism”

    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3522

    “It is no accident that the European Parliament, for example, reminds me of the Supreme Soviet. It looks like the Supreme Soviet because it was designed like it. Similarly, when you look at the European Commission it looks like the Politburo….If you go through all the structures and features of this emerging European monster you will notice that it more and more resembles the Soviet Union. Of course, it is a milder version of the Soviet Union. Please, do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that it has a Gulag. It has no KGB…  not yet… but I am very carefully watching such structures as Europol for example. That really worries me a lot because this organization will probably have powers bigger than those of the KGB. They will have diplomatic immunity. Can you imagine a KGB with diplomatic immunity? They will have to police us on 32 kinds of crimes… two of which are particularly worrying, one is called racism, another is called xenophobia. No criminal court on earth defines anything like this as a crime. So it is a new crime, and we have already been warned. Someone from the British government told us that those who object to uncontrolled immigration from the Third World will be regarded as racist and those who oppose further European integration will be regarded as xenophobes.”  Vladimir Bukovksy

    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/survey-high-european-negativity-for-muslims-but-not-in-uk-or-usa/ BlairSupporter

    Though I’d let you see the latest survey on European/British/American and others’ views on Muslims.

    http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/survey-high-european-negativity-for-muslims-but-not-in-uk-or-usa/

    So tell me now, in your deep wisdom, what does this prove?

  • Liz

    Just waiting for another Krystalnacht. SS Brownshirts…but instead it will be radical islamists, and left wing socialists in Britain. How soon we forget the lessons.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
    This was a survey of public opinion of Muslims – of Muslim people – not of Muslim politics and law – not of Muslim Sharia. About 1/4 of Americans and British people don’t like Muslims, but what percentage don’t like their legal system and the subjugation, murder and terrorism which seeks the imposition of their legal system, i.e.: Islamic Sharia Law. If the questions had been posed more intelligently I believe the results would reveal a far higher negative opinion.

    The situation is no different from 1938 in Europe. If an opinion survey had been conducted regarding attitudes about German people, I’d expect something similar; if the survey had asked questions about the Nazi totalitarian legal system and Nazi death camps the results would have been different.

    The question we face is not so much one of different human beings, i.e.: German people or Muslim people, it is a question of their legal systems, i.e.: Totalitarian Nazi laws or Totalitarian Sharia Laws. It’s the legal system, stupid.

    World War II was waged against Nazi Ideology and Nazi Law, and the German people got caught up in it because they made a bad decision to adhere to those ideas and laws. This current war, which can be referred to as World War IV (Cold War being World War III), is waged against Totalitarian Islamic Ideology and Law; and ordinary Muslims are caught up in it in a similar fashion – many have chosen badly to adhere to Totalitarian Islamic Ideology and Totalitarian Islamic Sharia Law.  It’s the legal system, stupid.

    I don’t expect Elite European Secular Socialists to fight the good fight; they will choose to ally themselves with these Elite Islamist bastards rather than with the ordinary citizens of Europe who see the danger for what it is. European Elites gravitate toward other elites – even Islamist Elites – rather than toward the “little people” of Europe.

    “The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.”  Thomas Jefferson

    “It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they  gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”  Abraham Lincoln

    “This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.”  Abraham Lincoln
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”  Abraham Lincoln

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/survey-high-european-negativity-for-muslims-but-not-in-uk-or-usa/ BlairSupporter

    OK stoopid! I got the message!

    Yes, I did realise that it’s about people’s approach to people and not to a system, and I’ll concede that you have made a fair point in this. But it is a good starting place. The other question, that you suggest, would be loaded, and you MUST know that, stoopid!

    But if we’re going to continue to spend minutes of our lives on this conversation I think you should understand this (you evidently haven’t so far). I too share your concerns about the Islamic philosophy, rules, books, etc. That is why I have signed the Downing Stret petition against Shaira Law and why I often write about this at my blog.

    But if you want to continue to talk to me, stoopid, desist from calling me a socialist. There are hardly any of those in Britain now. Blair got rid of them all. And I was never one.

    So as for this:

    “…but what percentage don’t like their legal system and the subjugation, murder and terrorism which seeks the imposition of their legal system, i.e.: Islamic Sharia Law. If the questions had been posed more intelligently I believe the results would reveal a far higher negative opinion.”

    OF COURSE, stoopid! Self-evidently. Loaded!

    That is not the point. The point is to get the majority of Muslims on OUR side and to get them to change their system.

    Unless, of course YOU in your great wisdom, can work out how to sort them all out without more bloodshed.

    No? I thought not.

    That’s why Blair’s Faith Foundation and others’ around the world, might be the answer.

  • Kal

    Blair Supporter, The only way to get the majority of muslims on OUR side is to either convert or to submit and pay the jizya. Like it or not, muslims stick together. That is not my opinion, but an observed FACT, after living in the ummah for the last 5 years. Why do you think London police get next to nothing in cooperation when looking for those muslim gangs in London who are always attacking Britons? Because those Britons are kuffar, and are GUILTY of not accepting islam and pedophile Muhammad.

    There is no way to sort them out without bloodshed, unfortunately.  Or have you not noticed that when they cannot get their hands on a kuffar, muslims turn on each other? Look at Iraq/Iran in the 1980′s, Lebanon from 1975-1990, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and any other place unfortunate enough to be infected with islam. Look at al Qaeda, they once claimed to champion islam’s war against the United States. Unfortunately for them, they got their asses handed to them regularly in Iraq, so they resorted to killing Iraqi’s. The fastest way to ‘sort them all out’ is the same way Japan was sorted out 60 years ago, but we both know that won’t happen.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter,
    You say questions about Islam’s Sharia Legal System, i.e.: Subjugation of women and non-Muslims, murder of infidels and apostates, mutilation of little girls sex organs, etc. etc. etc. are loaded questions. No, they are not loaded questions; they are the most important questions, and the most obvious questions, and the questions that the European Elitists are not posing. They are not posing the questions because they are afraid to ask the questions or discuss the answers; they are cowards; they cling to the irrational Marxist lie of Multiculturalism.

    Europe needs an American-style revolution, or Europe will die. Europe needs to throw out their elite leaders; usurpers of the people’s right to self-government. With self-government none of this would be happening; the common sense of the European people would have put a stop to excessive Islamic immigration long ago, and it would have already outlawed Totalitarian Islamic Sharia Law.

    Government of the European people, by the European people and for the European people would declare that all people are created equal – a law which cannot be rescinded even by a majority. They would declare that our essential individual human rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness are of Divine origin and irreversible – not subject to reversal even by a majority. They would declare that just government power only derives through the consent of the governed, an irreversible law – not subject to even a majority. They would declare that individual liberty is sacred and includes freedom of speech, freedom of religion (unless the religion subverts human life and liberty through its ideology and laws), freedom of assembly, freedom to defend life, i.e.: bear arms,  freedom of the press, right to own property that the individual created, right to petition government for redress of grievances – irreversable laws not subject even to a majority.

    Blair Supporter said: “The point is to get the majority of Muslims on OUR side and to get them to change their system.”

    You’ll get the good ones on your side when it becomes clear that their Totalitarian Sharia legal system is illegal – that it violates those irreversible laws listed above. The good Muslims will agree with you – those in disagreement are the enemy of human life and liberty – and that means war.

    Our Declaration of Independence is an eternal declaration of war against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.  That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,  That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”   Thomas Jefferson

    “I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”   Thomas Jefferson

  • http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/survey-high-european-negativity-for-muslims-but-not-in-uk-or-usa/ BlairSupporter

    OK, you guys, especially you Storm-Rider, who I thought was religious and worshipped a loving God –

    I’ve never really GOT religion since I grew up and realised that none of it added up. But I still respect others who conclude differently. Perhaps they have been ‘chosen’!

    But I have to say, since I attended church regularly as a child for 10 years, several times a week, and consumed the Bible, that ours WAS a ‘loving God’. I do not recall suggestions that we kill all innocents in the lands or hands of evil people.

    But maybe you’re a subscriber to the unrefined Old Testament. What do I know.

    Whatever, I DO at times feel that we are at war. But sadly, since the enemy is disparate and spread throughout governing elements of the world, there is no way of containing them or controlling them apart from nuking the whole of the Middle East, including Israel, probably Turkey, Cyprus etc.

    Is that your answer?

    Do you understand the term a ‘loaded’ question? Evidently not. It means asking a question in a form where you KNOW what the answer will be.

    The  average IQ of Americans has got to be on a par with ours. There is NO-ONE, NO-ONE with moderate morals who thinks any of the Islamic punishments is good. So why ask? To incite. That’s all. Incite against ALL Muslims, when most muslims would not agree with much of this, if any, but are prisoners of their state/religion.

    Instead of abusing those who are, unlike yourself, NOT right-wing extremist religious bigots who want to kill all who belong to a religion of which we disapprove (shades of Nazism), why don’t you turn your fire on the REAL enemy?

    Still, multiculturalism, I’ll give you that, has not worked.

  • Storm-Rider

    Blair Supporter:  “I do not recall suggestions that we kill all innocents in the lands or hands of evil people.”

    Blair Supporter, I never said or suggested anything like this. I am a Christian, but as I understand the Bible; we are commanded to hate evil - not hate innocent people. To the contrary, we are commanded to love our neighbor. In my mind even Jesus’ command to love your enemy does not conflict with the Father’s command to hate evil – you simply hate the evil within your enemy without hating him directly. Love your neighbor and your enemy, but definitely hate evil and destroy evil, i.e.: Monarchy, Empire, Nazi Dictatorships, Communist Dictatorships and Islamic Dictatorships. This was the religious sense and the rational common sense of our founders, and of subsequent generations of brave Americans.
     
     
    “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”  Thomas Jefferson

    Blair Supporter: “Whatever, I DO at times feel that we are at war. But sadly, since the enemy is disparate and spread throughout governing elements of the world, there is no way of containing them or controlling them apart from nuking the whole of the Middle East, including Israel, probably Turkey, Cyprus etc.”

    No, I don’t agree that nuking the whole Middle East is called for – surely you jest. Nuking certain selected hardened targets and other strategic targets – yes – that should be on the table – but only used in retaliation for the use of nuclear weapons against us, or to prevent what appears to be an impending nuclear attack.
     
     
    Blair Supporter: “There is NO-ONE, NO-ONE with moderate morals who thinks any of the Islamic punishments is good. So why ask? To incite.”

    The light of truth and reason and of reasoned questions is not a provocation or an incitement. To accept the idea that reasonable, if obvious, questioning is incitement is to in fact accept irrationality its self – to accept the unreasonable propaganda of the Islamist enemy - it is the acceptance of dhimmitude.
     
     
    “We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.”  George Orwell

    “The truth shall make you free”  Jesus Christ

    BS, you call me a right-wing extremist religious bigot. That is Marxist/Socialist propaganda. Defending sacred life and liberty is not right wing and it does not make one a bigot. Your false claim of bigotry is its self prejudicial and bigoted. The so-called religious right in America bears no relation to the “right wing” in Europe. European right wing refers to Monarchy, Empire and Fascist or Nazi Dictatorships. No such tyrannical political system has ever existed in the United States. America is in fact the anti-right – see the seal of the State of Virginia. Conservatives in America can only be understood by realizing that we wish to conserve our God-given liberty. The idea of sacred human liberty along with rational government power derived from the consent of the governed are the sine qua non of liberalism. Human liberty = liberalism = Modern American Conservative Ideology.

    The American left, on the other hand, bears an eerie resemblance to the European Left, i.e.: Marxist Socialism, i.e.: Leftist Elitism.

    I never called you a Socialist personally, but I believe you are immersed in it. You are not my enemy, even though you call me bad names. Blair Supporter, I believe you are just wrong; you suffer from Socialist indoctrination and don’t even realize the full implications of it since it has been a part of your milieu since childhood. I believe your heart is right – you know there is an enemy in your nest – but you don’t know how to defeat this evil – it will simply require a new European Revolution – something like ours. God willing Europe will do it. Even though you call me a bigot; I forgive you. I loathe Elite European Socialism; but while unjust, it is not evil as is the Case with Totalitarian Islam – so with this proviso - I’m on your side.

     

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  • JEZZA

    Why are these people allowed to remain here? If they want their extreme limits of religion, they can go get them in their own country. If we say something against these people, we are racist, but they can say what they like, when they like! THIS IS THE UK!! Our main religions are Christianity and Catholics. Muslim religion does not belong here, it is only here due to all the immigration that has been allowed to happen. Our country is already overcrowded, whilst these people are planning to have dozens of children to overrun this country and force upon us a religion which we do not want. More people need to speak out about they feel about this. IT NEEDS TO BE STOPPED, NOW!!! BEFORE IT GETS MORE OUT OF HAND!

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