Iran Warns of World War if Attacked

I see that the religion of peace is mouthing off again.  AmadJihadist of Iran, or whatever his name is, has been threatening to bury Israel. Sooner or later, Israel will bury him, and shut his mouth forever. Mark my word.

My bet is that it will happen before the end of this year, 2008.

Philip,

He calls himself Mahmoud I’mADamnNutjob

Kal, thanks for the correction.  I believe, sooner or later, his name will be Toast if I’mADamnNutjob continues mouthing off.

When I’m forced to the point of violence from some mouthy asshole, the last thing I’m gonna say is, “I’m about to kick your ass” ( I just do it!). And everytime I have ever seen anyone get thier ass kicked. that was the statement than got thier ass handed to them. I think Iran is about to get it’s ass handed to it compliments of Israel. Israel has been silent, zero shit-talk; meanwhile Iran talks more shit about how they gonna annhilate Israel….Israel about to call Bullshit! And Dammit, I think they should!

From having been an officer in nuclear security, I can tell you our nation is taking Iran’s actions and statements very seriously. If they don’t knock it off soon, they are going to be burned to a nuclear cinder, Not one blade of grass will be left alive within their territorial borders. Not one sheep to have sex with. I predict (if they don’t stop) this will happen before May 09 

Iranian officials are not peaceful, we got it; but you can't generalize an idea about Islam from it. Guy claims that he is doing it for peace and religion, guess what, USA invaded and messed up Iraq with the intentions of "peace and democracy". Does that mean secular democracies are not peaceful?

BTW, Iranian offical threatens with war, IF "any US or Israeli attack on the Islamic republic".

sorry but Iraq was a success. you now have your "peace and democracy" there. Our soldiers are bored and will be leaving soon.

We are not generalizing with the tyrants in Iran. We also include Hizbullah, Hamas, Fatah, Jemaat al-Islamiyah, Hizb ut-tahrir, al Qaeda, the Taliban, and the millions who attend their rallies across the muslim world. Nice try on deflecting the argument, though.

Heh, yeah right.
Saddam' government was mean and cruel, and it was not "the land of the free" . Okay.
And todays Iraq? Only northeren region is (relatively) peaceful, fundamentalist religion is rising and secularism in the country began to abolish. Local forces (and Americans) can't provide peace and security of the place.
"Our soldiers are bored and will be leaving soon." Awww, realy? I thought people suddenly realized that Iraq was NOT a national threat to the USA, and did not have any weapons of mass destruction (which was clearly indicated that one of the main reasons of the American intervention)

Uhmm, in which part of my sentence the "argument" was deflected? Yes, Muslim world fails to create a peaceful environment, and examples are above as you have put forward. But all comments and discussion is being focused on the Islam itself, not about these political situations/organizations.

Ideals, religions, morals are always being used to impose tyranny, all around the world, it is the problem of the MUSLIM WORLD not the problem of the Islam (there is a difference, one is a current situation, the other one is a religion), that's what I am trying to say.

And, BTW, yeah, Muslim world should quit blaming every little thing to Jews&Israel.

I am not qualified to judge the correctness or otherwise of the presence of the Coalition forces in Iraq, for I suspect time must pass to allow the muddy waters to clarify, but the ousting of Saddam, WMD or not, was cause for rejoicing if not the panacea some wished for. One might have expected Saddam's demise to have brought bounties to Iraq, but Sunnis and Shi'ites are at each other's throats, and nothing will stop them. It delights me when they kill each other, but that a single American (or Brit or Aussie or ….) should have died after the defeat of Iraq in striving to bring democracy to this cess pit is too much to bear. One American is worth more than a million Muslims.
Don't try to cajole us into thinking that your condemnation of Saddam's Iraq in some way implies that all is sweetness and light in other Islamic states. You see, unlike Muslims, we are educated people, so we have open eyes and minds.

How can the Muslim world create a peaceful environment while a single believer in another religion breathes, or while the various Muslim sects hate each other like poison? Islam DETESTS other religions, and always will. As for their views of atheists such as myself ………….!
The USA did not mess up Iraq. God (!) help them, but they have sincerely tried to bring democracy to that country, young American lives having been squandered in the process.
What was that about "secular democracies are not peaceful"??? What are you talking about? Name me just ONE Islamic state that is a "secular democracy."

You accuse us of generalizing, when there are MILLIONS of muslims who sympaythize and/or support violent jihad groups, whether openly or covertly. You have it backwards, islam is the problem, while approximately 55% of muslims are illiterate and have no idea what the quran says, and base their belief on what some radical imam tells them. It is islam that compels people to be enslaved to what Muhammad fabricated. That and the near total lack of education in the middle east. That is why islam is in decline, more and more, people are waking up to what islam really is.

I do agree with you about muslims whining like a bunch of six year old girls (with apologies for offending six year old girls) and blaming all their problems on the Jews, and Israel.

Turkey? Syria is doing pretty good, although have a lot to do in this way. Egypt?
And, what I meant is something totally different. Are you trolling me or somethig? Read first, it is not even ambigious: If you could relate governmental types or state religions with HOW these states act peacefully, then this warmongering thing wouldn't only apply to Islam&Tyrants.

%55 illiterate? Wow. Got any source? Seriously, it is quiet shocking for me.

And, again, you explained yourself what I am trying to say: What people do/follow/the only option that they have since their educational and nutritional environment does not allow anything else. They don't follow Islam, they follow whichever aggresive ideology (which uses, bases on Islam teachings, since it is the religion of the land) that they could relate themselves to.

It doesn't make Islam "more aggresive than others". All religions are quiet aggresive. It's Islam lands turn to be ignorant&uneducated and full of hatred. But, the problem is sociological&political; not theological.

"It delights me when they kill each other…. One American is worth more than a million Muslims."
-Wow. And you judge others to be full of hatred? Wow. I am speechless right now.

"Don't try to cajole us into thinking that your condemnation of Saddam's Iraq in some way implies that all is sweetness and light in other Islamic states. You see, unlike Muslims, we are educated people, so we have open eyes and minds."
-Yeah, so educated that you could actually enjoy a conflict and resulting murders. Turkey, Syria, Egypt, are all secular and democratic countries. Many other Arabian countries have a state religion and/or not a democracy but they do quiet good in terms of being in peace&development status.

"You see, unlike Muslims, we are educated people, so we have open eyes and minds. "
I just loved this part. Really.

Yes. A shocking admission of mine – the part about Muslims killing each other. But it is an opinion that has been forced upon me by the foul antics of your coreligionists. Anyway, it only makes the task of the civilised world a little easier when the nasty stuff eventually makes contact with the air-moving equipment, for such will surely happen. My assessment of the relative worth of Americans and Muslims? I stand by it. Proudly. Don't quibble about my use of the word "educated": you lot have no conception of it.

Evidently, you and I have differing definitions of what constitutes secular democracy, although I concede that Turkey might be described as such – primarily because Kemal strong-armed the religious fanatics aside. Syria???? Hell, you are amusing.

o yeah Islam sure is keeping the peace in the world. They were just joking about killing all the infidels

"Syria is doing pretty good, ALTHOUGH have a lot to do in this way". Focus on the capital-written part. since 1971, the secularism of the country is protected by the constitution, although in practice it fails time to time, but again, we are not talking about a developed stable country that had been influced to secularism and democracy as western countries, her neighbor Turkey did.

Anyway, I have already made my point; there are muslim populated countries that had been able to form democratic and secular regimes. I tried to give examples from Middle East; but there are many more examples from Central Asia, I don't know if you ever heard of them (since it is also a common bigotry to assume that all muslims are arabs or middle easterners): Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan…

So, did you have your ONE Islamic state that is a secular democracy? Good.

I have always thought that being civilized is not a matter of technology or economy, but also an understanding of humanity, acceptance, and understanding. But, oh well, if that's not included in your understanding of civilization, fine.

"antics of your CORELIGIONISTS." BWAHAHAH!! I am NOT a Muslim! I just love talking to you man =D

And I guess you are so educated that you can easily understood my level of education&intellectual capacity. I bet you could also understand my religious beliefs? Oh, wait, you couldn't.

Oh, by the way, what about Muslim Americans? Do you think they worth more than good old default muslims (In your little world, I guess "middle eastern arabs with towel heads and rocket launchers" fall into this group); but worth less than other default americans? (I don't know what kind stereotyping you could apply here). Oh, how about, say… Russian Muslims?

Could you compare the relative values of human population in terms of demographic distribution? Bet you can create a stock exchange market for that?

Yes, Falan, I am aware of non-Arab Muslim countries, most of which succumbed to Islam at the edge of the sword as Islam spread east, destroying priceless Buddhist works of art on its bloody journey. All doing SO WELL in the world, aren't they? All those captains of industry, Nobel Prize winners, deep philosophers, scientific trailblazers and uplifting humanists. Borat comes to mind (yes, I KNOW he's really a Jew – too clever to be Muslim). I notice the Muslims of north-west China are becoming a bit restless. Hmm … the Chinese will know what to do with them. Can't wait …..
Syria. A single-party state. Minor parties forced to accept the dominance of the Ba'ath Party. That's Islamic secular (!) democracy for you.

Your third paragraph …… please translate it into English.
American Muslims? No Muslim is worth a pinch of shit. Stereotyping? A Muslim is a follower of an illiterate, child-fucking, wife-beating merchant whom the Jews rejected as a charlatan.
Again, I must ask you to translate a paragraph – your final one – into English.

So, you suggest that Islam was the reason of these countries backwardness? Yeah, that must be it. Yeah, let's forget all about geographical, historical and sociological explanations: it must be the islam thing. Maybe, it was because these countries&regions were didn't develop their economics, and couldn't compete with the rest of the world., were subject to continuing colonization, imperialism and mandatory states. No, it must be the islam.

"Chinese will know what to do with them.Can't wait." Hmm… With the level of your blood thirstiness (can be easily predicted from your other comments), I assume you are still implying the eradication of muslims? of Innocent children? of Uneducated people who are unable to realize the lie they live in and stand for violance?

And, I love the irony. "Islam sucks, promotes violance. So let us be violant towards muslims."

And, it is also weird how the discussion come up here. Basically, -in the post- Iranian officals says: "If someone attacks, we will attack to". So? Islam is a religion of violance.

Fundamentalism brings violance. Militarism brings violance. Bigotry brings violance. And (nearly) all organized religions promote violance in one way on another. The problem is not "LOL, islam sucks", that's what I am trying to say (but, I guess 3rd time won't be the charm)

Falan, being civilised is a matter of an understanding of humanity, acceptance and understanding, you say. It's not included in my understanding of civilisation? Have you taken leave of your senses, such as they are? You use this site to defend Islam, or so it seems to me, so you are willing to accept or defend their abominable treatment of women which includes "honour killing", stoning to death raped girls, wife-beating, polygamy, forcing their women to cover their bodies (recently, one of the Saudis proclaimed that a woman's covering should allow only one eye to see), punishing them if the covering is less than it should be, and paedophilia? You defend their view of apostasy?
During my long teaching career I have taught thousands of youngsters, enjoying every moment of the refreshing LIFE that radiates from them. Some were Muslims. Great kids. The Muslim girls, though, were invariably heavily covered even on 40+ degree days, poor things, and were noticeably restrained in class. There was a girl I'll call Maz. She attended a boarding school at which I taught. Lovely girl. Sensitive and winsome. Well-liked by all. A few years after she left school to return to her land I saw a picture of her, now married. Hell, it was so sad. There she was, clad almost mummy-like, to remain that way for the rest of her life. I almost cried. Muslims? I despise them.

-Beej
So, according to a post-notification that I just recieved, you didn't understand my third paragraph; and just vomited your violant and ignorant hatred all over the place. I am not going to comment on it, since it is obviously deleted somehow.

What I was trying to say is: you declare yourself educated (okay, understandable) but declare that I have no concept of education. How so? Is it that easy to judge people's intellectual level, or was that good old bigotry?

ViolEnce, not ViolAnce.
Yes, Islam retards human progress, as the history of Islamic states over the past 1000+ years amply demonstrates. Muslims outnumber Jews 100 to 1. Over 160 Jewish Nobel Prize winners; 6 Arab Muslims. The only scholarship Islam values is Koranic, so don't blame their backwardness on anything else. Muslims are just as intelligent as anyone else, but they are not given the chance to use it. You want to put down their backwardness to other factors? Bullshit!
Eradication of Muslims? Happy thought.
No irony. Let's eliminate those which/that which threaten/s humanity – like smallpox, polio and Islam.
Don't tell me what I am TRYING to say: I do not need your help. I make my message clear, even to the meanest understanding – such as yours. And don't preach to me about religion. I consider all religions to be the greatest evil ever invented by the human mind. And don't bullshit me with your "3rd time" crap. It doesn't work.
You claim to be non-Muslim. Pray you never come under Islam's domination.

Falan, one judges people's intellectual level by what they say or write.
My ignorance? Kindly elucidate. Comment all you will.
You'll not believe it, and I can fully understand why, but I am, in truth, a peace-loving man who views life as the most precious thing in our universe. However, when I contemplate the threat Islam poses to humanity I have no alternative than to fight fire with fire. It's a hellish thing to have to say, but to some extent at least, to-day's Muslim children are to-morrow's suicide bombers, poor things.

And according to this feeble post of yours, Falan, you choose to ignore the matters I addressed in my post that began with the words "Falan, being civilised ……..". You are a charlatan, a gutless wonder, an intellectual fraud, a twisted player of games. Emigrate to Saudi Arabia or Yemen and see how you get on.

Degree of freedom in other places does not justify logical fallacies and hatred in the rest of the world.
Am I a charlatan? Okay, so, you accuse me of distorting facts, lying to make my points, and hiding the evident. How so?

Logical fallacies???? Go away, Falan. Just go away. You are a waste of time.

I am not telling people to keep their defense down, I am telling to understand the difference between concepts, and not to make generalizations from every little thing. The statement in the original post has nothing to the with the religon of Islam, and actually an understandable speech about self-defense.
And, I am the charlatan, eh? I think I am the only one who actually points to this fact.

And, why hatred is wrong? Because hatred breeds more hatred. People who took arms in middle east don't do that solely on religious reasons. They believe that they do it for the patriotism, for protecting their country. What do they know about west is, how "educated westerns" don't give a crap about their lives, how they will try to exploit their motherland, since "infidels" give more value to their brethren than themselves. With their ignorance, and lack of world view and self-criticism, they try to come up with an explanation of what the heck is going on.

It is not because Islam says shoot the infidel. As Kal_El says, they don't actually even know the teaching of their religion.

To make my point differently, Iranian population is actually quiet intellectual&educated. But, with the rise of fundamentalist regime; many intellectual and the very rights they were defending perished. They also were muslims.

Uhmm.. Let's see..
-Iranian officer says, "IF we are attacked, we will response". This statement was considered as "agressive"
-Lack of understanding the difference between Muslim World and Islam itself
-Blaming Islam itself, but claiming that muslims don't even know the religion
-Clear and evident religious discrimination of human beings, and yet blaming a religion to be agressive
-Calling people charlatan and yet trying to change to subject when asked for reasons for it (that is being hypocrite actually)

Why do am I going away btw? If you don't want to debate, fine, then don't.

"You use this site to defend Islam"
I have specifically chosen my words to not to praise Islam over any other religion. I am not trying to defend Islam, I am trying to point out what people doesn't understand.

"You defend their view of apostasy? "
No, muslims way of living or their approach to other issues had never been the point.

Nearly all religions have aggressive and oppresive attitudes (Pastafarians are quiet okay though =D ); just google it, Bible also suggests such concepts. Jewish Teachings, clearly, make a diversion between Sons of Israel, and the others. Budhist teachings support a strong patriarchical family, with the expense of woman rights.

And all religions have positive and pacifist attitudes; Jesus turns over the other cheeck, while Muhammed suggests his followers to treat others as you want to be treated; or to not to force Islam on others (yes, he says that, quiet contradicting), or to not to approach other beliefs badly, since it would give right to them to do so.

Any way, you see what I am pointing out? And yes, what she (your student) had to suffer seemed terrible to me too. And it is really great that you were being symphatic towards her. But still, since she was still a muslim, you did feel bad for her, but according to what you are saying; you just don't give a crap about her and/or don't value her as much as any other american. Can you see what I am trying to say?

I think clear discrmination of 1-2 billion people depending on religious beliefs and saying that "Islam is bad because it discriminates" is quiet amusing (I had a longer reply, listing a number of logical fallacies, but this one is enough).

Falan, you are right, islam did not say "shoot the infidel" it says "slay them wherever you find them". And the muslims in the 7th century took up arms not out of patriotism, but in following the pedohpile Muhammad's doctrine that islam should be the only religion on earth. You keep on thinking only about the past 4 to 5 decades, but long before there was a United States, and Europe as we know it today, muslims were killing, raping, looting and making war in the name of islam.