Taliban jihadists cut off teacher's ears as 'punishment'

by Kal El on September 16, 2008 · 142 comments

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Isn’t the holy month of the religion of peace just lovely! Even during the time of the year purported to be a time for reflection and self improvement, the Taliban still find the time to mutilate a teacher who is trying to make a better future for children. Derka derka, muhammad jihad…

TALIBAN militants dragged a school teacher out of a mosque in Afghanistan and cut off his ears as a “punishment” for working for the Government, an education official said.

The rebels took another dozen people, most of them elderly men, out of the mosque in the southern province of Zabul and beat them up on similar charges, provincial education chief Mohammad Nabi Khushal said overnight.

The men had burst into the mosque while dozens of worshippers were in a late night prayer session Saturday and singled out primary school teacher Bismillah Khan, Mr Khushal said, blaming Taliban rebels.

“They took him out of the mosque and cut off his ears. They said, ‘Anyone working for the Government will be punished like this’,” he said.

The teacher, who worked at a refurbished school re-opened five months ago, was admitted to a US military-run medical facility in the area for treatment, he said.

A villager who refused to be identified confirmed the incident by telephone. The rebels had introduced themselves as members of Taliban militant group, he said.

But a spokesman for the extremist militia, Yousuf Ahmadi, said Taliban were not involved.

“Whoever they were, they were not our mujahideen (holy fighters),” Ahmadi said.

The rebel group has killed dozens of Afghans employed by the Government or its international military or development partners as part of a campaign to undermine support for President Hamid Karzai’s Western-backed Government.

Education is one of the successes of post-Taliban Afghanistan with about 6.2 million children enrolled in school, up from 1 million in 2001, when the extremist Taliban regime was removed in a US-led invasion.

It is also one of the main targets of a Taliban insurgency. Attacks left 220 pupils and teachers dead in 2007, the education ministry says.

So for the Taliban it is OK to cut off a teacher’s ears, but they cry foul when they are held in dog cages, when capture waging jihad in the name of moon-god allah. Truth be told, I think the dog cages are too good for them, they ought to be locked in a pig pen. But that would be inhumane, for the pigs.

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  • meelash

    You moron, it was just some local thug gangsters from a competing tribe that did this. Taliban have nothing to do with it.

  • jennyjen

    Meelash, are you saying that since it wasn’t the taliban then it’s OK? It doesn’t matter what gang is responsible, we all know who’s responsible- Allah and his pedophile prophet! The teachings of Mohommed are to kill, rape, enslave and torture! I am willing to bet double or nothing if that moon-god had never been dreamed up by that pedophile; the world would be a better place! Not to mention the donkeys, sheep and cattle in the Middle East would sleep easier at night.

  • meelash

    no, you moron-x2, i’m saying that it wasn’t the taliban, who are muslims, who did this; it was the bastard thugs that have been allowed to come to power by america-the-land-of-idiots. Under Islamic law, these brutes were kept under control.
    As for the mercy-to-the-worlds, history has already placed him as the greatest man ever to walk the face of the earth. No amount of your bleating will change that.

    • and

      do you live in america? i hope not. you suck.

  • Kal

    meelash,

    Under islamic law in the 90′s Afghan girls were prohibited from going to school. America made it possible for them to do so after 9/11. The Taliban, who are muslims, love blowing up those schools.
    In Saudi, under islamic law, the muttawa chose to prevent firefighters from going into a burning girls’ school and prevented the girls from escaping because they were not wearing a niqab and/or abbayat
    In Iran, under islamic law, juveniles are executed, as are homosexuals, and converts from islam to TRUE religions.
    I do agree on your last point about the mercy-to-the-worlds- Jesus Christ, being placed as the greatest Man to walk the earth.
    Although no amount of bleating will stop a muslim from molesting sheep, as I have seen in the middle east, and several who are close to me have seen in Afghanistan.

  • Liz

    jennyjen…We’d better get that on line business going making burquas for domestic animals. We could make a killing on the internet. Just get some mufti to issue a fatwa about all those sheep, donkeys, camels and goats looking provocative and enticing those poor men, and we could clothe the entire middle east.  Yes…just what we need…another fatwa.

  • meelash

    Interesting how you like to change the subject, Kal. Unfortunately for you, there doesn’t seem to be any subject you can change to without displaying your shocking ignorance.
    1) The Taliban only banned school for girls during the early part of their revolution. During the last several years of their rule, when the country had quieted down, girls’ schools (not co-ed schools, mind you) flourished to the extent that they can ever flourish in a country strangled by international sanctions. This has been confirmed by all non-biased observers of the country; in fact, according to the UNICEF report there were more girls in schools in the last year of the Taliban’s complete rule than there have been in any year since. The crap that is generally placed at the end of every “mainstream” news article about the Taliban banning girls school, is government fed propoganda that some morons *ahem* are to gullible to investigate and debunk.
    2) Saudi Arabia is not under “Islamic law” anymore than Pakistan or Nigeria or any of the tens of countries that pay lip service to Islam in their constitutions. Saudi Arabia is an old-school monarchy, plain and simple; the ruling dynasty of which was put in power by the colonial british. Iran is ruled by Shias- those guys are nuts, the rest of the Muslims don’t accept whatever they do as Islam. In fact, it’s ironic that you quote both the Taliban and Iran in the same breath to prove something about Islam, when they probably have more mutual dislike between then than you have with either of them.
    3) Ah, I agree, Jesus, the Messiah was great Man, but you seem to have forgotten the greater one that he had to leave to make way for? The Comforter who would complete his mission and teach his followers what they could not bear to hear from him. Perhaps you missed that part of the Bible?

  • meelash

    It’s comical that this “animal-molesting” joke that you neo-con nut jobs have over-used to near-cliche proportions is all based on what? a ruling by a Shia so-called scholar, that none of the revivalist, revolutionary Muslims you are attempting to insult follow or even like.

  • Liz

    There you go Meelash…displaying your ignorance. Jesus was a great man? Well, you haven’t read his words. Mohammed said he was a prophet, a lesser prophet, but a great man. Jesus himself said He was the Son of God, and that He and the Father were one. So if he told the truth, he was more than a prophet, and Mohammed is a false prophet..one of many that Jesus prophesied would come into the world, preaching another gospel. If not, then He was the biggest liar that ever lived, perpetrating the biggest religious hoax ever seen in history. I personally believe the former…Son of God, Lily of the Valley, Bright and Morning Star, Messiah, Holy One. Belief in Him comes with power…dead raised in these days, sick healed, demons defeated.  Islam come with power…the power of insane radicals who only have the power of bombs and guns and rhetoric.    Liar, or Divine…..hmmm…I guess Mohammed and you are wrong, he wasn’t just a good man after all.

  • meelash

    Actually, it seems that you have not read his words, or not correctly anyway, since you are making accusations against Jesus based on things he never said. Can you show me any place in the new testament account of Jesus’s life on this earth where he claims to be God or orders his followers to worship him?
    In fact, he states unambiguously, many times, that he is the Son of Man, that he does “nothing of his own power,” but it is through the power of the Father of us all, in heaven, that he performed those miracles you mentioned. When he is questioned about what the first commandment of all is, he does not say, “for there are three that they record in heaven…” rather he says, “the Lord thy God is ONE.” So if you want to believe insane things about Jesus, I won’t stop you, but don’t accuse Jesus of having committed blasphemy. He was a great, pious man, he would never have said the things you accuse him of saying.

  • jennyjen

    Let’s see, there is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The Holy Trinity, sound familiar?? He never claims to be God, he is the Son of God and only by accepting Him as your savior can you find God and be accepted into His Kingdom.
    I would like to thank my dad for this knowledge. Had he not poured cold water on me every Sunday morning to get up to go to church…I would not have said knowledge.

  • meelash

    Jennyjen I have no doubt that is what you believe, but is that what Jesus the Son of Man believed and preached? He did not ever say “there are three that bear record in heaven…,” according to your own record of his life. As for his saying that he is the Son of God, there are hundreds of people in the Bible who are referred to as “Sons of God.” It means that that person is very pious and close to God, the Father, in a figurative sense.
    In fact, when Jesus is questioned by the Jews on the “porch of Solomon” about this, he says to them “Is it not written in your book, ‘Ye are Gods’?” In other words his saying he was the Son of God was not any claim to divinity, it was a common usage throughout the bible for people who were close to God.
    (By the way, do you know that the passage about the “father, the son, and the holy ghost” has been thrown out of the latest versions of the bible since it does not appear in any of the manuscripts before the 8th century?)
    As for me I have already accepted Jesus Christs words as the truth, I believe in the one and only God, indivisible, who never sleeps or dies-as Jesus ordered me to believe. And I have followed the one whose coming was prepared for by Jesus’s leaving- the Comforter who has explained the book to us in totality.

  • Liz

    Meelash:
    I don’t say bad things about my Jesus. I believe He is divine, the Son of God. I believe what he said about Himself. You and Mohammed obviously think he was a liar, because you call Him a good man and a prophet. I have seen the demonstration of the Spirit and of power when I pray in the name of Jesus. He is as real  today as he was yesterday.
    The Holy Scripture has many many passages which refer to Jesus as Divine:
    Matthew 1: 18-24
    Mark 1: 9-11
    Mark 2: 1-12
    Mark 3:  7-12
    Mark 5: 1-13
    Mark 8:  27-30
    Mark 9: 2-7
    Mark 5: 35-39
    Mark 14: 60-62 – these verses are specifically Jesus own words declaring Himself to be the Holy One.
    Mark 16: 6-18- Jesus own words after He rose from the dead.
    Luke 1: 29-37 Jesus birth was through the Holy Spirit
    Luke 21: 8 – Jesus warns of coming deceivers
    Luke 21: 9,10- signs of the times
    Luke: 21: 25-28 – Jesus own words about His coming again
    John 1: 1-14 -  Jesus divinity
    John 3: 16-18 – Jesus own words, the most famous passage in Christendom.
    John 3:31
    John 5: 19-27 – Again Jesus own words
    John 6: 43-65 – Once again, Jesus own words.

    I don’t need to continue. If you want further clarification I can write these out. Don’t tell me I haven’t read my Bible, and I don’t know what Jesus said. I have much of this memorized, and have a personal relationship in which I can hear the voice of God and follow His directions daily.  It’s funny that people in Islamic countries that have banned the Bible and any Christian evangelizing, are having conversions almost daily. Jesus is appearing to Muslims in dreams and revealing Himself as the Way, the Truth and the Life. Reports are coming daily, and with the knowledge that they will be martyred for Him, they gladly lay down their former religion and follow the One true Savior.  I pray this for you!

  • Kal

    meelash,

    I referenced Iran (shia) and the Taliban (sunni) in the same paragraph to point out that the followers of the so-called religion of peace, when not killing infidels, turn on each other. And if the Taliban are so pro-education for women, why are they now blowing up girls schools, and threatening to blow up more?

    As for the animal joke, I made that reference thanks in part to a Syrian who worked in Saudi, who replied, when asked “What is it with Saudi men, and sheep?” by my American colleague, “We ask ourselves the same thing in Syria. They come to my country, and they want a little boy, or a sheep.” So it was not intended as an insult, more a statement of observation. As for that shia scholar, most of the people molesting animals in Saudi are sunni…

  • Storm-Rider

    “They were very reluctant to share power and their ranks were overwhelmingly Pashtuns, their rule meant ethnic Pashtuns controlled multi-ethnic Afghanistan, where Pashtuns made up only 42% of the population. At the national level, “all senior Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara bureaucrats” were replaced “with Pashtuns, whether qualified or not. As a result of this loss of expertise, the ministries by and large ceased to function…The Taliban did not hold elections, as their spokesman explained: The Sharia does not allow politics or political parties. That is why we give no salaries to officials or soldiers, just food, clothes, shoes and weapons. We want to live a life like the Prophet lived 1400 years ago and jihad is our right…In such an environment, war meant employment, peace unemployment. Domination of women was an affirmation of manhood. For their leadership rigid fundamentalism was a matter not merely of principle, but of political survival. Taliban leaders “repeatedly told” Rashid “that if they gave women greater freedom or a chance to go to school, they would lose the support of their rank and file.”
     
    “Sharia law was interpreted to ban a wide variety of activities hitherto lawful in Afghanistan: employment and education for women, movies, television, videos, music, dancing, hanging pictures in homes, clapping during sports events… These rules were issued by the Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Suppression of Vice (PVSV) and enforced by its “religious police”, a concept thought to be borrowed from the Wahhabis. In newly conquered towns hundreds of religious police beat offenders — typically men who shaved and women who were not wearing their burqa properly — with long sticks. Theft was punished by the amputation of a hand, rape and murder by public execution. Married adulterers were stoned to death. In Kabul, punishments were carried out in front of crowds in the city’s former soccer stadium.”
     
    “Employment for women was restricted to the medical sector, since male medical personnel were not allowed to examine women. One result of the banning of employment of women by the Taliban was the closing down in places like Kabul of primary schools not only for girls but for boys, because almost all the teachers there were women. Women were also not permitted to attend co-educational schools; in practice, this prevented the vast majority of young women and girls in Afghanistan from receiving even a primary education. Women were made to wear the burqa, a traditional dress covering the entire body except for a small screen to see out of. Taliban restrictions became more severe after they took control of the capital. In February 1998, religious police forced all women off the streets of Kabul and issued new regulations ordering “householders to blacken their windows, so women would not be visible from the outside.” Home schools for girls, which had been allowed to continue, were forbidden.”
     
    “Movie theaters were closed and music banned. Hundreds of cultural artifacts that were deemed polytheistic were also destroyed including major museum and countless private art collections. At the Kabul zoo most animals were killed or left to starve.  A sample Taliban edict issued after their capture of Kabul is one decreed in December 1996 by the “General Presidency of Amr Bil Maruf and Nahi Anil Munkar” (or Religious Police) banning a variety of things and activities: music, shaving of beards, keeping of pigeons, flying kites, displaying of pictures or portraits, western hairstyles, music and dancing at weddings, gambling, “sorcery,” and not praying at prayer times. In February 2001, Taliban used sledgehammers to destroy representational works of art at the National Museum of Afghanistan… In March 2001, the Taliban ordered the demolition of two statues of Buddhas carved into cliffsides at Bamiyan, one 38 metres (125 ft) tall and built in CE 507, the other 53 metres (174 ft) tall and built in CE 554.”
     
    “The worst attack on civilians came in summer of 1998 when the Taliban swept north from Herat to the predominantly Hazara and Uzbek city of Mazari-i-Sharif, the largest city in the north. Entering at 10 am on 8 August 1998, for the next two days the Taliban drove their pickup trucks “up and down the narrow streets of Mazar-i-Sharif shooting to the left and right and killing everything that moved — shop owners, cart pullers, women and children…Bin Laden was able to forge an alliance between the Taliban and his al-Qaeda organization. It is understood that al-Qaeda-trained fighters known as the 055 Brigade were integrated with the Taliban army between 1997 and 2001. Several hundred Arab Afghan fighters sent by bin Laden assisted the Taliban in the slaughter at Mazar-e-Sharif. Taliban-al-Qaeda connections, were also strengthened by the reported marriage of one of bin Laden’s sons to Omar’s daughter. During Osama bin Laden’s stay in Afghanistan, he may have helped finance the Taliban.”
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
     

  • jennyjen

    Hey Liz, I wonder how 2 infidel women are gonna get a fatwa issued? We need to go undercover as reluctant livestock LMFAO!!!! About the little boy or a sheep thing, OMG! How disgusting can you get, that’s wrong on so many levels but it did get me to thinkin about the STD’s that have to be flowing like a river thru Islamic countries. Don’t sheep carry gonereah, or it could be syphillis- not sure but according to medical studies- that shit can eat out your brain if it goes un-checked! An itchy crotch and a rotted-out skull- 2 benefits of Islam!

  • meelash

    Matthew 1: 18-24: We believe Jesus Christ was born without a father. But was it necessary for God to have sex (God Forbid!) with Mary for this to happen? Was it not sufficient for him to give the order for it, and it would happen as in the case of Adam who was created with neither father or mother?

    Mark 1: 9-11: See what I said before about being the Son of God. God has got many other people in the bible referred to as Sons of God. And in the next verse, he is tempted by Satan for 40 days in the desert. God tempted by Satan?
    Mark 2: 1-12: “the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”. Who gave him that authority? The God who the people praised when the paralytic got up and walked!

    Mark 3: 7-12: Who was it who attributed divinity to him? The “evil spirits.” And Jesus then rebukes them. Also, see above about “Son of God.”
    Mark 5: 1-13: Jesus did many miracles by the power of the one God.

    Mark 8: 27-30: We Muslims believe exactly what Peter believed! Jesus is the Christ, which is the greek word for messiah, which means anointed, or chosen one. He was a prophet who was promised to the Jews for centuries.
    Mark 9: 2-7: See above about “Son of God”
    Mark 5: 35-39: We believe also in this miracle that the Son of Man performed by the Will of God.

    Mark 14: 60-62 – Finally, any attempt to actually answer my question, that is “where did Jesus himself declare himself to be divine.” Unfortunately, this is not it. Since Jesus says that he is Christ(see above), and specifically mentions that he is the Son of Man.
    Mark 16: 6-18: Jesus was never killed nor crucified, so it is no wonder  that those people saw him alive.

    Luke 1: 29-37: Again was it necessary for the Holy Spirit to have sex with Mary? No, for as the angel explains, Elizabeth and others who were also not physically able to have children also gave birth by the power of God.
    Luke: 21: 25-28: Yes, we also believe that Jesus, the Son of Man will come again.
    John 1: 1-14: Did Jesus say all of this? No.
    John 3: 16-18 : Again, see above about Sons of God in the Bible. Also, this “most famous verse in Christendom” is a disputed verse with many Christian biblical scholars throwing it out as a fabrication and ending the passage after verse 15. Clearly, it is most famous because it seems to say what you want to hear, not because it is very authenticated.
    John 3:31: Again, not Jesus’s own words, and a very ambiguous statement in any case.
    John 5: 19-27 : Key phrases: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself,” “And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man,” 

    Again I say, in summary, if the main point of Jesus’s message was his own Divinity, would he not have stressed that and told it to the people? Instead, he does not say anywhere, in your own record, explicitly, that he is Divine or that they should worship him. Actually, he says again and again the the God who sent him and gave him authority to do miracles and protection, and to whom he cried out on the cross, is the one who should be worshipped.
    And that is what I do. I do not associate any partners with the one God. I have accepted Jesus Christ. Have you?
     

  • Liz

    Meelash…you just said that Jesus was never killed, so how could he raise from the dead. Then you said who did he cry out to when he was crucified. Hmmm…

    All I know is that Mohammed is dead…Jesus is alive…and giving power through the Holy Spirit, to those who love him to heal, drive out demons, and raise the dead. No sense arguing with you. You cannot believe that Mohammed was greater than Christ and accept Christ as well. I guess we’ll stand before God one day and He’ll judge the living and the dead. If the islamic fundamentalists don’t kill us both first…me for being an infidel, and you for being a moderate. I assume you are a moderate since you want to carry on a conversation without spitting and swearing. We will never have a meeting of the minds. The Bible just like the Koran is open to interpretation. Mine is different than yours. I have done some study in Hebrew on these scriptures.  But no more arguing. It’s pointless. I just pray that Jesus continue to appear to millions in the 10-40 window and transform hearts.

  • meelash

    Liz, It is true that Muhammad is dead, but the One God of Muhammad is still alive. Even after Jesus returns to this earth and lives for 40 years among us and then dies, That One God will still be alive. Why don’t you worship Him as you have been ordered.
    It is true that the Bible is open to interpretation, however, there should not be any need for interpretation on such a fundamental aspect of your religion. In Islam, for example, the fundamental creed is that God is one; hence you will find in the Qur’aan hundreds of explicit, unambiguous statements to this effect. In the sayings of Muhammad, everytime he went to see some people he would exhort them first to unify God, and so you will find this thousands of times in his sayings. So my question is, if the basic, fundamental message of Jesus was that, “there are three that bear record in heaven, the father the son and the holy ghost” why did he forget to mention this explicitly and unambiguously at any time in his stay on this earth? The thing I find incredible is that, instead of that, the Bible is just as full as the Qur’aan of explicit, unambiguous declarations of the oneness and uniqueness of God, and yet you still persist on your misinterpreted beliefs.
    (BTW, with regards to crucifiction I was first mentioning the Muslim belief, and then showing how this contradiction exists even in this story of your Bible that he is on the cross and crying “my God, my God”. If he was the deity, which deity was he calling to? If he was intentionally being crucified, why would he be complaining about it?)

  • meelash

    Kal, no, actually you referenced Iran and the Taliban both as “examples” of bad behavior of Muslims. Your quote is still up there, you can’t act like you didn’t make that ridiculous connection.
    As for blowing up schools, if the Taliban are doing it, it is American built schools which the government is using to try to indoctrinate a new generation in Western, un-Islamic belief. Such building deserve to be destroyed.
    If they were against schools-in-general, why would they not have blown up all the schools in the whole afghanistan when they were in control?
     

  • meelash

    Storm-Rider, congratulations for learning to use the copy and paste commands. Do you really expect me to go through a wikipedia article, written by American fools like yourself step by step and point out all the inaccuracies and fallacies?

  • Kal

    Ridiculous connection? How is pointing out examples of sunni and shia atrocities against fellow sunni and shia a ‘ridiculous connection’? As for the Taliban not blowing up all schools, I am sure that you are correct, why blow up islamic run schools, where the imams are allowed to molest the students?

    As for your judgement that schools teaching un-islamic beliefsdeserving to be destroyed, that explains why muslims love ransacking Jewish synagogues, Buddhist shrines, Hindu temples, and Christian churches.

  • jennyjen

    I hope your all tuned into South Park tonight, its the Muhammed episodes :)

  • Tonto (USA)

    I personally think that every mosque and every muslim “holy place” should be leveled, starting with mecca, continuing to medina and not to omit the aqsa mosque, so it can be replaced with the new Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. That would sure clean up the planet and settle a few things.

  • meelash

    C’mon, Kal, intellectual dishonesty is bad for you; it’s character building to just admit you’re wrong.
    You said, and I qoute, “Under islamic law in the 90’s Afghan girls were prohibited from going to school. America made it possible for them to do so after 9/11. The Taliban, who are muslims, love blowing up those schools…
    In Iran, under islamic law, juveniles are executed, as are homosexuals, and converts from islam to TRUE religions.”
    How are these two statements “pointing out examples of sunni and shia atrocities against fellow sunni and shia”?
    Sorry buddy, you made a ridiculous statement, lumping together widely disparate entities in your eyes-closed, think-with-your-prejudices manner.
    “imams are allowed to molest the students?”– whoa, I think you’ve kind of mistaken Muslim imams for another religion’s clergy, that I will not name… Perhaps you should go back and read those news articles again and pay attention to whether it was imams, priests, or rabbis that were caught molesting their charges.
    And if Muslims loved ransacking Jewish synagogues, Buddhist shrines, Hindu temples, and Christian churches, there would definitely not be any Jews, Buddhists, or Hindus left in the world, since they lived almost totally under Muslim rule for centuries at a time when the Christians hated those other religions passionately. And there also wouldn’t be any churches in all the muslim countries of the world.

  • meelash

    Jennyjen, I guess South Park does represent about the extent of your intellectual sophistication.

  • meelash

    Tonto, Muslims have dealt with your type many times before in our dealings with the misguided Christians. Don’t worry, we know what to do with your kind….

  • jennyjen

    Meelash, South Park is actually a great show. They make fun of every group of people because the creators know- if it’s not OK to make fun of just one thing, then its not OK to make fun of anything. They are exercising their right to free speech, nothing is off limits as nothing should be, definitely not a war-mongering pedophile.
    Muslims don’t believe in that concept, now what were you saying about intellectual sophistication?  Issuing a fatwa on Mickey Mouse, blaming women for being raped and strapping a bomb to an innocent child. Now,  that’s fucking sophisticated! Get to steppin!

  • meelash

    “Get to steppin”? That’s not even good english. Have you ever attended school?

  • Kal

    Meelash,

    I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, but neither of the statments I made about Iran and the Taliban were untrue or inaccurate. As for Imam’s molesting the children, look at any madrassa in Pakistan. Or look at Saudi tourism to Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait etc… Look at the UAE where CHILDREN are imported and used as camel jockeys.

    And yes, muslims DID ransack all of the above mentioned holy sites of other religions. How do you think islam came to India, Afghan and Pakistan? How do you think islam infested North Africa, and Spain for that matter? I am fully aware of so-called ‘Christian’ clergymen who act like Muhammad, the big difference is we PUNISH them.

    FYI, “Get to steppin” is American slang.

  • meelash

    Kal, I’m beginning to worry that you might have a learning disability that I’m taking advantage of. Go back and carefully read comments 4, 6(part2), 13, 19, 21, and 24, and with a little studying (maybe you can get your mommy to help you), maybe you’ll figure out the extent of your own idiocy.
    I’ve been to plenty of madaaris in Pakistan,  including the “notorious” ones you hear about on your conservative talk shows, and i’ve never heard even a rumor of child molestation. I don’t think you can bring a single example.
    And are those Saudi tourists and camel racers Muslims with long beards and turbans? Or are they western educated/influenced, suit and tie-wearing oil barons? The answer should be obvious since, according to you, they seem to take after the western taste for sexual pleasure. And don’t you think the Taliban would have banned camel racing if they were in control? Damned if you do, damned if you don’t!
    Really, Muslims ransacked India? If that were true, can you explain why muslims were still in the minority after centuries of dominating the entire region. If they had been interested in ransacking hindu temples, there would not be a SINGLE temple standing today! As for Spain, the golden age of the Jewish diaspora was under Muslim rule in Spain, according to their own historians. And the Christians of europe certainly had no problem with flocking to the Universities of Muslim spain to become enlightened during their dark ages.
    It’s sad that you punish your upright clergyman, I wasn’t aware of that. The problem I was referring to, however, was the ones who are molesting children in practically every diocese in America. How many of them are in jail, Kal? See in the perfect way of life, we are allowed to exercise the beautiful union between man and woman without any spiritual censure. This makes for much less sexually frustrated clergy, as your own experience will tell you.
    FYI, you don’t think I knew that?

  • meelash

    Oh, and I’m glad you removed that bit about my reply to Tonto. I was going to be forced to ridicule you for that, as well.

  • jennyjen

    Meelash, why yes, I have attended school. I graduated in the top 10 in high school and college was a breeze. I have a bachelors degree in Journalism with a minor in Philosophy. It’s your intellect that causes concern. You seem to be living inside your head when it comes your faith. And your head seems to wedged straight up your ass. So, yeah, get to steppin and try not to give yourself whiplash in the process.

  • Kal

    Meelash,

    Take a loot at Kashmir, thanks to muslim influence, the native Kashmiris are always hounded and are being driven from their homeland. Kind of like the Persian Zoroastrians, the Assyrians, the Phoenecians, the Sudanese, etc… I have no learning disability, but your referencing my mommy (God bless her soul) shows your own ignorance and lack of maturity. You have nothing to attack me with so you resort to high school games.

    And here are a few examples if muhammedan pedophelia in madrassas
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4084951.stm
    http://missmabrouk.blogspot.com/2005/09/madrassa-abuse.html
    https://israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/7124/index.php

    I happen to live in a muslim country, and know first hand the mentality that pervades many locals is “women are for babies, boys are for pleasure”. Substitute sheep/goat or what have you and you get the idea.

    As for your bit about Tonto, I removed it, because Tonto doesn’t need me to fight for him. We are Americans, we fight our own battles, and unlike the Europeans currently suffering an islamic invasion, we have guns, and the God given right to defend ourselves. Your move.

  • meelash

    Was that supposed to be a joke? Unintentional humor perhaps? Kashmir is a Muslim majority state that has been fighting for independence from Hindu rule. What universe are you talking about?
    And by the way, “Assyrians, the Phoenecians, the Sudanese” are all nationalities, not religions.
    You quoted three articles/op ed columns, all 3 of which referred to the same disputed, unproven report; the third of which again makes a ludicrous mish-mash of sunni, shia, and other groups traditions, similar to your own attempts above. Was it really necessary to quote all three, in an attempt to make it seem like you had more than you actually did.
    The fact is, that just like the “harem” stories the crusaders made up in the Dark Ages, these stories about child and animal sex are just the fantasies of your sexually frustrated society finding an outlet. All the things that your politicians and conservative talk-show hosts are actually doing behind close doors, you project on the enemy of the hour, to assuage your own guilt.
    Me, I encourage you to use your guns (whoo! I’m scared!). Then we can all sit around and laugh while you rot in jail.

  • meelash

    Congratulations Jenny, it must have been very difficult for you to graduate in the top ten of your Hicktown High School’s class of 25 people.
    Oh, and college was a “breeze”. Good for you Jenny, good for you.

  • jennyjen

    Actually it was Redneck High School and there was a couple hundred of us. Where did you get your education, camelfuckers academy or did you major in sheep?

  • Kal

    The harem stories might have been made up or exaggerated by the Crusaders (who were simply trying to take back originally Christian lands that muslims invaded and took via jihad), but I know from personal accounts of people living near me that there is still a thriving sex slave trade here in the muslim world. And I am fully aware that the Assyrians, Phoenicians and Sudanese are nationalities. Right, 500 kids alledging sexual molestation at the hands of imams, that must be groundless. The various links were to show that more than one source has seen the perversity inherent in islam. Don’t worry, it is not your fault “prophet” Muhammad married a 6 year old and raped her when she turned 9. Nor is it your fault that approximately 1 billion are duped into thinking he offers the path to anything other than death.
    As for using our guns, they are used in self defense only, that is the difference between us and the mujahideen, who love blowing up not only themselves, but also taking unsuspecting civilians with them. You made a veiled threat to Tonto saying “Don’t worry, we know what to do with your kind…” Which is why I replied with that gun line. There will be no sitting around laughing if you or any coward like you were to try to invade either Tonto’s or my private property. However I would send your bereaved flowers.

  • Liz

    This person is a fanatic, and arguing with him/her…whatever…is really just like spitting in the wind. It’s a waste of time, which we never have enough of. Some people are so deceived that they see everything through the filters they choose. You will never convince Meelash of anything and he/she…whatever…will never convince any of us of his/her position. I think Meelash is in the catagory of people who could see an act of violence, a rape, a molestation right in front of them, and would still deny that it happens.  So, all they need to know is that we have a 2nd amendment in America. We have the right to bear arms, and we will use them to defend ourselves, our families and our country.  I read today that the Hells Angels in Denmark are taking on the violent fundamentalists. I’m not an advocate of that group, but they don’t take any crap off of anyone. Denmark has become a nation of sheep, and it takes a violent bunch to stand up to violence.  Well, when push comes to shove, there are enough of us who will stand up as well. Osama thought we’d cave after 9/11, that we’d crumble and run in fear. He was wrong…and we went after him. All he did was piss us off.  And except for the liberal left in this nation, we are all like that.  So bring it on Meelash. You won’t find it an easy fight. We’d rather live in peace, but if you bring it to us…we’ll give it right back. We’re ready for whatever comes.

  • meelash

    I just have to walk to the nearest corner here in NYC to see a “thriving sex slave” trade. What’s your point? My point is that you wouldn’t find that in Taliban controlled areas of Afghanistan or in UIC controlled Somalia. The people running the sex trade are the “modern” Muslims-in-name that you like. The reason your government feels so threatened by the Taliban is because they completely eliminated the sex trade and the drug trade from an entire country with a single edict. If people saw that kind of effective government in unimpeded practice for a few years, there would have been more than a few other muslim countries clamoring for true Islamic law. Meanwhile your leaders can’t even stop themselves from using the prostitutes, much less stop anyone else.
    Oh, and Tonto’s comment about leveling all the mosques in the world- really all about “self-defense only”, aren’t you? I don’t believe I’ve ever heard any mujahideen wishing that all the churches in the whole world were leveled. On the other hand it seems every other one of you nutjobs is wishing for that, and for “just nuke them.” But it seems you missed that point, since your mouth is open, but your eyes are wide shut.

  • meelash

    Liz, you say, “he/she…whatever…will never convince any of us of his/her position.” Haven’t you just proven that you are a fanatic, by your own definition above?
    I on the other hand say that if you made a reasonable argument, I would agree with it. Unfortunately, you lot seem to be incapable of doing so.
    And no one in the world would have thought that America would cave after 9/11. Are you kidding? The first thing that crossed my, or anyone else’s mind on 9/11 was, “Wow, some country is about to get bombed into oblivion!” It was inconceivable for the US to have any other response. So don’t flatter yourself.
    And if you’d rather live in peace, why have your armies been in the Middle East long before anyone ever heard of Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, or any of the other bogeymen you create to justify your hegemony.

  • Liz

    I honestly don’t understand why you don’t you move back to the midde east since you obviously hate us so much. We surely make you miserable living here, and we are so bad. So why not go back to one of those fundamentalist countries and make your home there. You can wear your burqua or beanie (not sure if you’re a man or woman), go to the mosque all you want, pray 5 times a day, have sharia law all you want,…and live in that atmosphere.  You are a self righteous snob, and think you are better than us idiots.   Well who cares?  It obviously makes you feel very superior to come on this blog and spout off. You came here…I wonder why?   You get your ideas from idealogues who are anti American, obviously. And if it means that because I won’t bow to your anti American ideas I’m a fanatic, then so be it. At least I won’t go strap a bomb on myself, go find a mosque somewhere and set myself off.  We can each be fanatics.   This is a free country.. unlike Iran where they will soon be having the death penalty for disagreement. Enjoy the freedom you have here….lots of people have died for the last 220 years to buy it for you.

  • meelash

    Liz, finally you are coming close to making sense! You see, I  would love to:
    “go back to one of those fundamentalist countries and make your home there. You can wear your burqua or beanie (not sure if you’re a man or woman), go to the mosque all you want, pray 5 times a day, have sharia law all you want,…and live in that atmosphere. ”
    But the whole problem is, I can’t because your country will not let any country with true Sharia law exist in peace. Afghanistan was one of those countries, and you used the excuse of a single man in that country to invade and prevent them from living in peace (of course, even before that you forced the rest of the world to impose sanctions on the country for years). Somalia was another example, where for 16 years while the country was ruled by anarchy the US paid no attention; as soon as Sharia law was established and stability achieved, SUDDENLY there were dangerous terrorists hiding in the country that nothing short of an invasion could bring to justice. Where were those terrorists the previous 16 years? Where are they now? Another example: In Iraq when the referendum was being held on the constitution and there was talk that the people would vote for Sharia law to be established by the constitution, Paul Brenner said explicitly that even if the people voted for that, the US would not allow it. In Palestine, Hamas was elected democratically on the platform of bringing Sharia law to end the corruption of the US-backed government. Your government promptly sanctioned them.
    See this is the whole problem. We want nothing more than to live under our form of governance, in peace, with a fair chance to succeed like any other form of government should be given a fair chance. YOUR GOVERNMENT WONT LET US. That is why we are at war. You fix that, and we’ll have no problems. Stop supporting the oppressive regimes in all the muslim countries. Allow the people to have their revolution. STOP THE HYPOCRISY!

  • Liz

    Wah Wah Wah…cry me a river. You are the nut job. Your ideas come from islamic idealogues. They rewrite history to suit themselves like any bunch of tyrants.  Of course you’re always right. You are the King/Queen of right. Doesn’t that make you feel superior. I bow to your fantastic intellect. Your brain is obviously larger than the rest of us.    Why not move to England?  They love Sharia law there. They even have neighborhoods where the evil infidels are afraid to go, so you won’t have to put up with them.  You have no excuse for staying here. There are lots of countries in socialist Europe who would welcome you with open arms.  Put your money where your mouth is.  So pack your bags, out on your travelling shoes &  we’ll throw you a going away party. Bon voyage, have a Sharia life.

  • Tonto (USA)

    Meelash, either you are trolling for an adverse reaction, or you’re a complete dumbass.  Does your mother know how you’re playing on the computor?  I’m with Liz on this one.  If you don’t like it here, or if you really want to live under sharia, you can move to Saudi Arabia, or any of the Gulf contries and have no fear of US invasion, at least for now.  There’s people there that also revel in being slaves in islam.  Love to see how you’d REALLY like that.  Personally, I think you’re just about pure bullshit.

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    meelash, you said, “But the whole problem is, I can’t because your country will not let any country with true Sharia law exist in peace. ”

    Are you talking about the peace that Sharia offers when apostates and homosexuals are executed? Or maybe the peace that sharia offers when women don’t dress appropriately with the burqas and get whipped and beaten by the Islamo-fashion police. Or maybe you’re talking about the peace that Sharia offers when Christians and Jews try to freely worship under ISlamic law. Is that the peace you speak of?

    Or maybe the peace that you’re referring to has to do with the equal rights of women, or maybe the hands and feet cut off of petty criminals? Or maybe the peace you’re referring to has something to the effect of declaring America and Israel as teh great Satans of the earth that must be destroyed?

    I’m sorry maybe I’m missing something here, but what the hell are you talking about when you use “peace” and “Sharia” in the same sentence. You can dream about one day living under the opression and brutality of Sharia, and you have every right to love and adore this disgusting way of law.

    so your question, Why won’t America “let any country with true Sharia law exist in peace”?? Answer: Peace doesn’t exist under sharia…all you get is brutal oppressive Islamic totalitarianism which I guess in your eyes is “peaceful”

  • meelash

    Actually, Liz, England is not much different than here in the US. They are a few decades ahead in terms of development, but we have a lot of such Muslim-only areas here as well. That’s actually why we stay here and not go back to some country with a majority Muslim population. But it’s still not sufficient, because while we can individually live according to Shariah, if the societal laws are not enforced a lot of the benefits are missing. So no, England is no good, and those countries in socialist Europe are no better than the US in that respect either. Don’t you know the US welcomes us with open arms too? (at least the engineers and doctors that they need because the American-educated are all of your friend Jenny’s level)

  • meelash

    Tonto, if you really are under the misconception that Saudi Arabia or any Gulf state is actually under Sharia law, then you need to read a lot more. Because that, my friend, is something a true “dumbass” would say.

  • meelash

    Whatever, Infidelesto, we don’t force anyway to stay in our country. What’s it to you what kind of law we want to live under?
    You have punishment for crimes as well, any society does. America has the death penalty for treason, which is what apostasy is in a society where every muslim has full, transparent access to the government. You have punishments for a woman who walks naked in the street just as we do. You just have a different definition of naked (which btw has comically regressed to the point where as long as the nipples are covered and a single string passes over the vaginal area, she is considered clothed. Expose the 2cm more and suddenly she becomes nude! What a ridiculous definition you have arrived at with your man made laws)
    Hands and feet are not cut off petty criminals, they are cut off of people that thieve with no excuse (i.e. they are not starving) above a certain amount. The result of this law is a society in which .001% of people are without a hand, and the rest of the society lives in complete security from any kind of theft, from shoplifting to robbery. Compare that to your society, in which more than 25% by population cycles through the jail in a year, and in spite of all that punishing and ruined lives by jail records, every store owner in America has a part of their budget allotted for the expected losses due to shoplifting, employee stealing, and robberies.
    The point is, we don’t care what you do, just let us live under the law we want to live under. As long as you don’t do that, we will continue to fight for that freedom. And you have NO RIGHT to complain that WE are violent for attacking you. And you have no right to get up on a high horse about being peaceful except in self defense when you are the clear aggressor against our way of life.

  • Tonto (USA)

    meelash,  A rose by any other name is still a rose, butthead.  If you don’t think they do sharia in some variation, you’re an idiot.  In fact you’ve already proven you’re an idiot, so I don’t know why I’m bothering with you.  Buzz off, hairball.

  • Liz

    You are so full of yourself. Almighty Meelash. Why are you doing on this blog? Your answers are the typical indoctrinated ones. We are all the victims…you evil westerners are the agressors. Typical attitude we hear all the time. Well, have a victim attitude, and wallow in it. Like I said…we don’t care. You are a sad sad example of an “educated” person. No one ever said our system is perfect. We have lots of problems. I don’t think they hold a candle to what Islamic countries have. Sure…you have “order”. Yipee. I’d rather have freedom. Yes there are people who abuse it, and liberals have tried to destroy our justice system. They have an attitude…”Oh the poor criminals”. I guess they don’t realize that if Fundamentalist Muslims took over here, they be the first to lose their heads. all thos women who are feminists, would be the first to be killed.  We know that there are things wrong here. I’d rather live here in freedom with a big dog and a handgun for protection, then live in one of the countries that live under Sharia law.  I don’t like people running around almost naked here. I think it’s very tacky. My husband doesn’t like it either. But he is a man with self control. He chooses not to look. He is faithful, both to me and to God. When a man says, the woman made me lust…she made me do it, he has a fit. That is a lame excuse. As a man, he says there is never an excuse to attack a woman.  Not the typical attitude in islamic countries. The reports come out by the hundreds daily. according to you, those are probably propaganda lies put out to hurt the poor Muslims. Well that’s BS.

    I don’t care if you think England is only a little ahead of us, They’re ahead. Please go….we wish you well. I imagine you are probably one of those applauding terrorism against the Great Satan. Probably attend a mosque that preaches lies and hate. Maybe even work a committee trying how to figure out how to bring the US down. You obviously despise us. You should go live in one of those other countries and be a martyr for Islam.  Enjoy your right to free speech here. You wouldn’t have it in Iran.

  • jennyjen

    Meelash, your logic is flawed at best but I guess that’s not really your fault. You were probably raised that way. There’s no use arguing with an idiot as we learned with ObamaMan. Moving on….

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    Meelash? What’s it to me? 

    How bout the security and defense of America and our allies? How bout standing up to evil instead of cowing to Islamic demands.  How bout recognizing the history of Islam and the life of Mohammed from an intellectual perspective? Do you EVER question yourself? 
    Your moral equivalency argument is typical and pathetic.  I’m glad you feel good about your “security”.  Sounds more like Communist Russia or Red China.  
    See, Meelash, there is something greater going on here between you and us, and that is you are INCAPABLE of being discriminate.  You have been indoctrinated to hate America, hate the West, Hate Israel, and hate those who confront evil, and for that I cannot help you.  You are lost…  
  • meelash

    Tonto, you moron, you misused that quote. See those other countries CALL what they’re doing Sharia, they just don’t actually DO it. So a more appropriate quote would be something like, “you can call crap a rose, but it still won’t smell sweet.” See?

  • meelash

    Liz,
    No, see, we don’t have a victim attitude, we stand up and do something about it. Then you hypocrites come along and complain that we’re being “extremist” and “intolerant.” I don’t think you have any right to complain about other people being violent until you get armies out of their sovereign nations and stop colonizing by proxy through their corrupt governments.
    Hmm… let’s see, I believe the statistic in the US is 75% of males who work outside the home admitted in anonymous surveys to having extramarital affairs. I wouldn’t be so sure if I were you. Larry Craig’s wife said the same thing about him, and on national TV.

  • meelash

    Infidelesto, you clearly have some of the same learning disability that Kal has. I and any Muslim clearly do not hate America, the west, or “those who confront evil”(-whatever the hell that is). We just want you out of our countries. Plain and simple. It’s no different a wish than George Washington and Thomas Jefferson had in 1776.

  • Storm-Rider

    Meelash said: “I and any Muslim clearly do not hate America, the west, or “those who confront evil”(-whatever the hell that is). We just want you out of our countries. Plain and simple. It’s no different a wish than George Washington and Thomas Jefferson had in 1776.

    Keep gazing into your navel as you ponder questions of evil. We in the United States know evil when we see it. We know evil when we are hated for being free and successful. We know evil when we are murdered for being free and successful. We know evil when we are lied to as we defend ourselves in just war. As it says in God’s word, the Bible: “The fear of the Lord is to hate evil.”

    The difference between now and 1776 is that the American colonists did not murder 3,000 British citizens in London. The British made war on us as an act of totalitarian aggression, not a war in their self-defense. We, the United States, fought a war of self-defense in 1776; and it also turned out to be our War of Independence.

    Today, the United States fights a war in Muslim lands because we were attacked in the worst example of mass-murdering war in our entire history. The September 11, 2001 attack on America gives us the right and duty to wage just war in defense of our life and liberty – anywhere in the world – and for however long it takes to break the will of our totalitarian Islamo-Fascist enemy.

    To hell with the Islamo-Fascist enemies of American God-given life. To hell with the Islamo-Fascist enemies of American God-given Liberty. To hell with the Islamo-Fascist enemies of American God-given creative Pursuit of Happiness.

    God Bless America!

  • y.k.

    Meelash, thank you. Regardless of how much you try to put logic through some ignorant people, you insist on making your point clear. You see there are just some people that will never change, no matter or how or what kind of evidence is given to them. It takes a while to pin point the bias and false propaganda America was constantly using to fool everyone. I have to say though, for the remarkably dimwitted people who are running one of the most powerful countries in the world, the U.S. government has done a surprisingly good job giving everyone a good scare about these so-called “terrorists” that want to kill everyone and anyone living in America and the West. I find it hilarious how people keep mentioning that Muslims should head back “home”, when only about 13% of Muslims are actually Arabs. Some people have a hard time distinguishing the difference between someone’s race and religion. Although I can’t really blame them. When you have someone like Mr.George W. Bush running a country, what can you expect from the rest of his puppets?

  • Storm-Rider

    There is an international alliance of Islamist Totalitarian Religious States, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia and the former Taliban Afghanistan; and Islamic Totalitarian Fascist States, such as Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan, Libya and Indonesia; and International Islamist terror groups such as Al-Qaeda. The Islamist terror groups and nations are linked to the Islamic Fascist nations by the shared totalitarian nature of Islamic Sharia Law, which is practiced by the former openly, and by the latter in the background. This is the International Islamo-Fascist alliance, and we are engaged in World War IV. Wherever totalitarian Islamic Sharia Law rules, whether in an Islamist state or a Fascist state, we have the international enemy identified; and we are morally justified to wage war in defense of American life and liberty.

    During World War II the United States was attacked at Pearl Harbor by Imperial Japan, which was a member of the Axis Alliance. Since Nazi Germany was part of that same alliance we were free to attack Germany before Japan or Italy because the alliance as a whole was the enemy. We ended up attacking German military forces in our first major engagement of World War II in spite of the fact that Germany did not attack the United States at Pearl Harbor; and we did so by invading Morocco where the French army and navy engaged us in sustained combat – go figure – but this is the nature of warfare between alliances of nations or groups. The totalitarian laws of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan during World War II correspond to the Totalitarian Sharia law of the Islamo-Fascist Alliance of today. Now, since Iraq was a member of the Islamo-Fascist Alliance, the United States was free to attack there after first engaging the more immediate threat of Taliban Afghanistan.

    True, we are not at war with all of Islam; only the two-headed monster of mass-murdering Islamic terrorism and Totalitarian Islamic Sharia law and jurisprudence. Most ordinary Muslims are peace-loving, and it is immoral to hate all of them collectively; but it is equally immoral not to hate the murdering and totalitarian evil which so widely contaminates Islam. The situation today parallels that of Nazi Germany in the 1940’s. We were not at war with every ordinary German, but those ordinary Germans by and large supported the evil of Nazi Law, Nazi military force, and the Nazi S.S. and Gestapo. Most ordinary Germans during World War II were peace-loving, but they did not sufficiently stand up for peace or for human liberty; and the same can be said of ordinary Muslims today. It remains to be seen how ordinary Muslims will choose sides in World War IV. Will they side with their totalitarian clerics, terrorists and Sharia Law, or will they choose to defend the sacred rights of man: life, liberty and creative pursuit of happiness? Will ordinary Muslims choose totalitarian religious government or will they choose government which rules by consent of the governed? Ordinary Germans made the wrong choice in the last century, what about the ordinary Muslims of today? I believe the jury is still out.

    September 11, 2001 was the main opening act between two alliances: the American-led Alliance of Liberty vs. the Islamo-Fascist Alliance of tyranny. This war is far from over; and it has the potential for much greater evil and destruction than World War II. It is time to beat our plowshares into swords and our pruning hooks into spears; and to loose the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword – just war in defense of sacred human life and human liberty.
     
    You can read more about this analysis in:  ”World War IV, The Long Struggle Against Islamo-Fascism” by Norman Podhoretz
     
    http://www.learnoutloud.com/Catalog/Religion-and-Spirituality/Islam/Norman-Podhoretz-World-War-IV/26682
     

  • Tonto (USA)

    meelashit, If you like that crap so much, get your ass over there.  Don’t yak at me about your pitiful viewpoint, take yourself out of here.  Go away! The middle East, muslim countries, islam, mullahs. imams, all that crap is backward, stupid, invalid and often, evil. If you are idiot enough to believe in that crap and it’s not just your latest “pose”, then actually get off your ass and go there and try to walk the walk instead of just talking the talk.  Then tell me how wonderful it is to live in that shithole. If nothing else, it oughta be good for a laugh.

  • http://alwaysonwatch2.blogspot.com/ Always On Watch

    Tonto,
    meelashit, If you like that crap so much, get your ass over there.

    Great advice!

  • alfalfa

    There probably is no god, enjoy life, dont worry!
    Coming on an english bus near you soon!!!!!lol
    You guys must watch Zeitgeist.  Most enlightening

  • freedom fighter

    I have read this whole discussion and its clear to c that meelash has the most knowledge here. He is taking on everybody on his own with truth and wisdom while the rest of you ppl are just talking no sense, a common reply… ” your answers are typical indoctrinated ones and we are american so we must be right. We stand for everything which is just, u cant question us”, this is the typical reply you seem to get with no real refutation or argument.

    You misguided ppl probably know deep dwn his right but want to argue for the sake of pride and vanity u dont want to accept your faults because you are weak indfividuals. I cannot believe it is the 21st century and ppl still believe in semi-gods, God being one of three or 3 in 1, mangods (borrowed from greek mythology), statues, pictures, etc. You are constantly attacking Islam while all I hear in the news regarding child molestation is done by priests. Someone even went as far as saying “..get me to thinkin about the STD’s that have to be flowing like a river thru Islamic countries”. 

    Look at Africa! the non muslim countries are rampant with HIV/aids look at your own country USA – full of this diesease! a curse and punishment because of your indulgement in homosexuality, pre-martial relations and adultery. Your husband probably slept with a prostitute who caught HIV from a homosexual and passed it on to you, then you passed it on to some other guy and the never-ending circle continues.

    Meanwhile on the otherhand muslims are safe from that. As for as migrating to muslim countries is concerned, etc just like Meelash said there is no muslim country everytime Sharia law is established and peace and stability is brought to a country Amerikkka intervenes. It robs the natural resources and rapes rival countries leaving itself and her allies as suitable living places while forever incarcerating the less economically developed countries through IMF loans using interest as a way to keep them enslaved.

    Amerkkka was built to murder you can ask the red indians that. As soon as 3 thousand ppl die everybody jumps up while Amerikkka commits atrocities like this evryday but on children. If any 1 of you know mathematics put the ratio 10000000:3000. Look at American funded Israel they shoot kids in class, Look at Iraq before the US invasion and look at it now, whole families are destroyed, your wife, your children your brothers and sisters gone, in the blink of an eye, you walk past these places and all of a sudden a US plane drops a bomb and destroys are hospital or a school, sometimes whole villages and you wonder why they going to the cities and they blowing themselves up.

    You have to understand Peace is impossible unless Islam governs the world. A complete solution to everything. How can we listen to these western governments when they dont even clean themselves from the toilet properly, how can we listen to these people who get pissed on the weekend and start walking into lamposts,  You follow like sheep or cattle nay you are worse thant that. Even cattle can find their way home!

  • jennyjen

    Oh no, it’s internet day at the asylum again….
    I can’t even respond to this, walking into lamp posts on the weekend? Are we referring to random drunks as a representation of the entire US population, I’d like to think we stay somewhat sober, in the mornings at least?
    And “peace is impossible unless Islam governs the world” has to be the most intellectually challenged statement any pro-Islam poster has ever put on this site that I have seen. When Islam governs the world I will not be at peace, I will be at war with Islam as much of the rest of the free world will be. Hopefully it won’t come to that but in the event….

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    “You have to understand Peace is impossible unless Islam governs the world”

    LOL! That’s all it takes? Sign me up!

  • Tonto (USA)

       Hey freedom fighter.  It would be nice if you actually knew what you are talking about.  There are MORE indians now in the USA than there were when Columbus discovered America.  We are HAPPY they way we are and think your muz way of life sucks.  The “peace” you have in is-lame, you can keep.  It looks like insanity to us, but if you like it…..keep it, but keep it out of here.  We don’t like it.  We don’t respect it.  We don’t need it.  So stick it where the sun don’t shine.  Got it?

  • meelash

    “There are MORE indians now in the USA than there were when Columbus discovered America.”
    This is just stupid. Seriously, are you retarded? Because then I won’t make fun of someone who not only thinks something this stupid, but then writes it for everyone to see.
    “We are HAPPY they way we are”
    Yeah, that’s why every 18 seconds one of you is committing suicide, and the anit-depressants and sleep medications are flying off the shelves at American pharmacies. Keep telling yourself you’re happy, maybe even take some drugs and drunk a few times a week, maybe you can bury the restlessness of a diseased spirit.

  • meelash

    “That’s all it takes? Sign me up!”
    Absolutely.

  • jennyjen

    Well the good thing about US/Western suicide, is they usually just take themselves out. Suicide bombers on the other hand, mostly strike in Islamic countries (connected?) and collect innocent bystanders in the process.
    Meelash, you argue for Islam and you have the audacity to call Tonto stupid? Ha! Thanks for the comic relief! LMAO!

  • Tonto (USA)

      Are you calling me a liar sand boy?  There are more Indians in America than when Columbus came here.  And that’s just the registered ones, the ones on reservations.  Your stupid ass imams don’t think so, but that’s why we consider them stupid.  They talk before they know.  I suppose that some people commit suicide here in the USA.  You probably consider that a waste because they don’t blow themselves up and kill a bunch of other people while they do themselves in……..I guess we could talk some of them to strap on bombs and go to Mecca and blow hell out of the infestation there.  Personally, I’d like to blow up your kissing rock, just to see what it’s made of.  And getting drunk or high is less stress relieving than pedophilia or wife beating.  Maybe we should try the muz way of stress control.  Yeah, just go beat a non-believer or blow up something….it’ll make me feel better.  Meelass, you are an idiot.

  • meelash

    “Suicide bombers on the other hand, mostly strike in Islamic countries (connected?)”
    Yes, I would say it is connected. Now let’s see if you can manage to follow a logical thought process:
    Suicide bombers strike in Muslim countries against Muslims. It is mostly Muslims that die in such attacks. Therefore, it is obvious that they are perpretrated by enemies of Muslims. So now, who is most likely to really be behind suicide attacks?
    Do you know who committed the first ever suicide bombing in history? Look it up for yourself online. Surprise!!

  • meelash

    “Are you calling me a liar sand boy?”
    No, I’m calling you stupid. And now you’re reinforcing it by repeating the same thing again. Seriously, ARE YOU AN IDIOT??!!! There are NOT more native americans now then there were when Columbus came here. There are probably less than 100 pure-bred native americans alive today, and even the ones that are 60-70% white do not number as many as the hundreds of thousands that lived on this continent before my and your murderous ancestors landed here.
    And “sand boy”? What does that even mean?
    And if you had any education about Islam, besides listening to Rush “druggie” Limbaugh, Bill “molestor” O’Reilly, and Sean “just plain crazy” Hannity, you’d know that the “kissing rock” is already in 3 pieces, and its chemical composition has already been studied.

  • Chris

    meelash,

          No matter how you want to spin, it Islam is the enemy of the free world and who cares who did the first suicide bombing ever?
    The only peace that comes under Islam is forced peace and then the attacks start on those that are not considered Islamic enough.
    Where a Sunni blows up Shiites with a suicide attack, both groups are Muslims so save it. No one is buying your con here.
  • Tonto (USA)

      Sand boy! meelasharoonie!  You are one very misinformed and stupid individual.  The facts speak for themselves and I think I know much more about America than some ditzoid from abadabland.  Crawl back into the middle east shithole you came from.  You are not fit to converse with real humans. So shut up.  Your sleeze bag prophet and his pitiful koran.  That is so filled with stupidity, lies, inaccurate data and ugliness, it could not be anything but a badly written piece of crap that has no business being called a book.  Your muhammad was a cowardly puke who had real thugs do all his dirty work.  You think you come here to stir shit up, but actually it’s an attempt to give yourself some validity and meaning to an otherwise pitiful existence.  I feel sorry for you.  You should really try to get some professional help for your delusions.  Too bad they won’t be able to do anything for your stupidity.  Maybe that’s why so many of you commit suicide….depressed.  Is that why muz broads wear veils?  I thought it was to hide their big noses and moustaches.  Maybe they’re just too ugly to look at.   Yep, pitiful.
       So the sandmonkeys broke the rock huh?  What was it determined to be?  A god-turd?  I believe that!  Still worship a stone….how primitive.  And if you say you don’t worship the stone, then why do you so reverently kiss it?  Still call allah the moon-god, or do you actually recognize allah as the devil himself?  How often do you wish you could beat your wives (if you had any)?   Or do you prefer little boys?  Or big boys?  Do you wish to beat them too?  Muz are the most pitiful and deluded people in the world.

  • Chris
    You are one very misinformed and stupid individual.
    Lol!!
  • simon1

    meelash,

    we have had several suicide bombers blowing themselves up in the uk. 28 people were killed on a bus in london. Last year three moslems tried to blow up 3 seperate underground trains, with home made bombs.
    more recently we have had moslem lunatics setting bombs outside night clubs and driving an explosive loaded car into Glasgow airport, trying to kill everyone in there.
    the one thing that connects all these monsterous attacks is that they were moslems trying to murder as many people as possible in suicide attacks.

    These attacks were the single most important factor in convincing me that moslem ideology should be resisted on every level possible. And where possible mocked and insulted as well.

  • simon1

    also it doesn’t matter who commited the first suicide bombing in history… who cares, the problem is the lunatics that are doing it now.

  • jennyjen

    Meelash says:
    “Suicide bombers strike in Muslim countries against Muslims. It is mostly Muslims that die in such attacks. Therefore, it is obvious that they are perpretrated by enemies of Muslims. So now, who is most likely to really be behind suicide attacks?”
    Well Meelash, I would say it is the Muslims (they are their own worst enemy). Sunni versus Shia to the death last time I checked. White folk don’t strap on bombs, that’s too easy. As it is obvious that the US and UN would prefer to “talk you to death”, diplomatically of course. There is no peace in Islam, only pieces.
    And I have to agree with Simon1, it doesn’t matter who did it first, it’s whose doing it now.

  • http://www.islaminaction08.blogspot.com/ Christopher

    Simon1,
      I read that 500 or more would of died if those bombs went off outside those nighclubs.
    We had over a dozen Muslims recently caught in Phoenix practing shooting automatic weapons in the woods. They claim it was all for fun.
    We had another getting on a plane either to or from Phoenix (Phoenix is bad) and when boarding he said he had about $1500 on him. Security found about $70, 000 on him and he had info on nuke material on this laptop. Yet so many people here think this is all made up and no threat at all.

  • http://www.islaminaction08.blogspot.com/ Christopher

    Hey meelash….did you think that we were going to side with you because of who did the first suicide bombing? Are you that foolish?

  • simon1

    chris… yes there would have been a lot of deaths if the bombs had gone off. One of the bombers (the one that burst into flames in glasgow) was actually a doctor.

    they had filled cars with large canisters of camping gas. they then wrapped them around with nails. And put in large containers of petrol. there were four different cars I believe (not including the suicide ram raid in glasgow)

    the bombs were to be set off by detonators connected to mobile phones. they never went off, because having not opened the windows in the cars, there was not enough oxygen for the various agents to ignite.

    Very lucky for all concerned seeing as they were parked in the bussiest parts of central london – outside crowded bars and clubs.

    thank god they are so stupid. The ram raider had a very bad day, not only did his plot fail, but as he burst into flames, he then got his head punched in by a glaswegian security guard.. who subsiquently became a hero!

  • http://www.islaminaction08.blogspot.com/ Christopher

    Doctor and teachers, their profession does not matter. Nothing matters except Islam. One day they will learn their terrorist trade better and we will be hit with bio-weapons.

    • jonah

      funny how muslim countries r already being hit with bio weopons and america has already used nuclear weopons, everbody knows about hiroshmia or wateva the place was called. The funny thing is on the one hand Amerca has banned the use of platonium wepons and then the hypocritical bitch starts using them herself on innocent people and this radiation stays for dozens of years and the babies grow deformed or dont even grow at all yet as soon as another country wants to defend itself they say no! We are the killers!

      Remember every form of 'terrorism' 2day is the result of the infidel, the muslims are just acting out of desperation in retaliation to the massacres the western world has inflicted on the muslims. They blow themselves because they have no weopons – why? because they had no plan to cause violence – this proved that the attacks happened as a result of unforeseen circumstances. The only pity I have is the innocent civilians. Every individual life is precious however these numbers are relatively nothing compared to the atrocities the west has inflicted on innocent muslims on a daily basis.
      If we look at the massacres in Palestine, Why is america funding israel giving them 10 times as much aid as all the countries put together in Africa – For many years the American media said that "Israel receives $1.8 billion in military aid" or that "Israel receives $1.2 billion in economic aid." Both statements were true, but since they were never combined to give us the complete total of annual U.S. aid to Israel, they also were lies—true lies.
      http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

        We fund Israel because Syria, Iran and many other jihadist countries fund Hamas, whose declared intention is the destruction of Israel. We also banned nuclear weapons because we saw how harmful they were after we used them to END World War II. Unlike muslims who want to use them to attack offensively, we used them to prevent the deaths of millions more. A little known tidbit about WWII is that Japan killed more people than the Nazi regime.

  • freedom fighter

    America has a history of blowing its own people up. Study and you will be shocked of countless incidents. Infidels just know how to hide. we get arrested with a can of coke and they say they have evidence that we were trynna blow up London with a can of coke or because they found us at a paintball event. PS There is no point disrespecting Islam a muslim wont read the whole post if you start showing emnity towards the truth (I stopped reading after one of u infidel’s first line) and btw if you notice the bombings have only occured recently, its politically driven. You r failing to look at the cause the mother of evil…unbeilevers(why shud they live righteously they dont believe in the eternal punishment, if they can get away they will!), 

    look how the jews yearned our protection and how when we ruled there was no one to even give charity to cos no one lived poor and how we lived in the most tolerant society with christians and jews who wanted us to take over their own countries because we gave them better treatment than their own people until the real terrorists arrived with the name of christianity (no disrespect to Christianity). You will find coutless barbaric acts in the name of other religions Hitler killed 6000000+ jews in the name of his twisted christian beliefs, today people are saying muslims r blowing up muslims,etc its much deeper than that Before the US army came Iraq was never in this kind of mess in its history. Its clear to see the orchestras of this problem and their interests(while we live for peace, they live for greed) 

    oh yeah one last thing I cant understand why you guys spend so much time trynna refute this guy I mean at the end of it all we are doin good deeds by representing the truth while you guys are just wasting time and purchasing fuel for the hell fire when you could be out biting lamp posts, catchin HIV or wat eva it is you like to live for. I guess somepeople are just plain blind and are scared of what they cant comprehend anyway I got more important things to do so I probably wont be back I’ll just leave u hear to have a think (if u are capable of that), reply all you want ill be gone, anyway id like to say peace and I wish u all the best my little infidels may you be guided and may we meet again but upon the truth, then Ill talk to u properly but until then I’d just like to leave you with 1 last message PEACE IS IMPOSSIBLE UNTIL MUSLIMS GOVERN THE WORLD. 
    Salamalakum

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hellosnackbar hellosnackbar

      And here's my message freedom fighter(even your name's an oxymoron).
      There will be no submission to Islamic tyranny and THERE MAY BE NO PEACE TILL ISLAM HAS BEEN WIPED OUT.
      I'm not boarding your ghost train to the 7th century and I suspect that billions more are of the same view.
      Keep wanking!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/JEWHAWK JEWHAWK

      "PEACE IS IMPOSSIBLE UNTIL MUSLIMS GOVERN THE WORLD"

      I only hope you don't expect this grisly outcome without a FIGHT…
      People simply won't watch the Western Civilization going belly up
      and do nothing to stop it,eh?

      In my humble opinion,Islam is WORSE than Nazism.

      See you in HELL.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/JEWHAWK JEWHAWK

      "Freedom Fighter" said:
      "PEACE IS IMPOSSIBLE UNTIL MUSLIMS GOVERN THE WORLD"

      I only hope you don't expect this grisly outcome without a FIGHT…
      People simply won't watch the Western Civilization going belly up
      and do nothing to stop it,eh?

      In my humble opinion,Islam is WORSE than Nazism.

      See you in HELL.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Beejj Beejj

        This Freedom Fighter bloke seems to be ignorant of the fact that Sunnis and Shi'ites so detest each other that they indulge in mutual murder on an almost daily basis, so which of these two major sects will have triumphed in order to reach the idyllic state he envisages? Perhaps he sees a Wahhabist world, perish the thought – although traffic congestion would be eased at a stroke!

        Why does a guy committed to a religion that forbids freedom of thought and denial of any questioning of its precepts use the nom de plume Freedom Fighter? It's as bizarre as Adolph Hitler using the title Chief Rabbi of the Third Reich instead of Fuhrer. But perhaps we should not be too harsh on the poor sod: after all, he has been daily brainwashed since birth to conform to the absurdities and ravings of a parcel of stone-age "thinkers".

  • Chris

    Oh look another arrogant Muslim who thinks we really care for his opinion. No one said the West was perfect and no one here supports what Hitler did. Christians and Jews are not the problem today, Islam is and you deserve to be under the spotlight as Muslims cannot be trusted.

    I comprehend Islam very well and so do more and mor people everyday. It is a religion that calls for the domination of non-Muslims.
    You say you will talk to us properly…who the hell are you? NO ONE. LOL!! 
    The only “peace” under Islam is forced peace.  Then Muslims turn on each other.
    Learn to keep your religion to yourself, we will never submit.
    If you do not like the way you are being treated in non-Islamic countries move to an Islamic country. You will not be missed.
  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    look how the jews yearned our protection and how when we ruled there was no one to even give charity to cos no one lived poor and how we lived in the most tolerant society with christians and jews who wanted us to take over their own countries because we gave them better treatment than their own people until the real terrorists arrived with the name of christianity

    Since when did the local Imam become your greatest source of world history?  Seriously, read a freakin history book that’s not written by a Muslim for once.  I find it difficult to believe that someone on this planet can be so ignorantly indoctrinated and display this much stupidity, but when I realize it’s coming from the same place that Mohammed built, I then understand completely.

  • jennyjen

    Dude seriously, where did you come up with biting lamp posts? I’m at a loss, I’ve seen people handcuffed to lamp posts, leaning against lamp posts but never ever have I ever seen anyone bite a lamp post.
    Anyways that’s totally off subject but a reasonable question as I would like to witness the act. I can add it to my, “you ain’t gonna believe this but I saw it!” archive of useless crap.
    Oh and Islam SUCKS!!  It’s totally lame and we have no use for it in Western Civilization seeing as we are civilized. You claim there cannot be peace until Muslims run the world, whateva player- y’all can’t even get along! Y’all got a huge desert to roam around in and every time a sunni runs into a shi’ite it’s ON like beans and neckbones. Take your lies and move along…..

  • Tonto (USA)

      These lame-ass muz idiots have a very inflated idea of what importance God and religion have in the western world.  Here it basically means that people’s religion is their own and acceptable as long as it disturbs no one else.  I have no idea at all what religion many of my long time friends ascribe to, and, guess what, I don’t care.  I don’t care about mosques, the scarfs the broads have to wear, the towels or tablecloth looking things the males wear (or the girlie dresses the men wear where they come from).  I don’t give two dead flies about what some bearded dingbat said in some muz church (or any other church).  What I do care about is the actions of the crude and rude assholes that immigrated here are doing.  Things they need to get their asses kicked for.  If the government won’t control them, then we do it the old fashioned way.  And I hope they get what they ask for and it makes them very happy.  All in all, I think the muz are the biggest collection of stupid pukes the world has ever seen…and they prove their stupidity on a daily basis.  Pitiful bastards.

  • meelash

    Tonto, the reason you don’t care about religion in the West is that you don’t know the real one. You only have fake religions that are a collection of meaningless rituals and wise sayings that have no real effect on your life. Muslims have a true religion, a God given way of life, so obviously we give it much more importance than you do to your religion.

  • Chris

    meelash,

        We quote Islamic leaders and scholars on this site all the time. We know Islam.
    Also we do not care what offends you. Muslims need to stop whining.
  • meelash

    Chris, you don’t quote Islamic leaders and scholars, you quote sound bite extractions that have been quoted to you by Glenn Beck or some other whack-adoo.
    It’s not the same thing.

  • jennyjen

    Tonto, Thank you! A person’s religion is theirs and as long as they keep it to themselves I don’t give a flying donkey crap what they worship. It’s about privacy, mine is mine and yours is yours. Islam wants to govern the world and I feel I have the right to NOT recognize Islam. With the scrutiny that Christianity has gone through and survived, if Islam was “the true religion” it could survive the scrutiny as well- we all know the answer to that!

    • jonah

      oh believe me its surviving and going on strong. We dont even need to use the sword 100 londeners every week r turning to islam RESULT! ISLAM = WORLDS FASTEST GROWING RELIGION – FACT! CHRISTIANITY = DYING OUT/ CHRISTIANS REVERTING TO ISLAM.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

        What the F is a londener? Moron!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

        Too bad they don't allow guns in England. The best use of a muzleem I can think of is a moving target. Good practice for rabbit hunting. The difference between shooting a man muz and a woman or a kid? The amount you have to "lead" them.

  • Chris

    Meelash,

       All you know is how to lie and we do quote them. Show me Glenn Beck being quoted.
    Ayatollah Khomeini

    Khomeini accordingly delivered notorious rebuke to the Islam-is-a-religion-of-peace crowd: “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…. Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

  • Chris

    Depicting Jews – and sometimes also Zionists – as “the descendants of apes and pigs” is extremely widespread today in public discourse in the Arab and Islamic worlds.

    For example, in a weekly sermon in April 2002, Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the highest-ranking cleric in the Sunni Muslim world, called the Jews “the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs.”[1]

    In one of his sermons, Saudi sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam and preacher at the Al-Haraam mosque – the most important mosque in Mecca – beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are “the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs.”

  • Kal

    meelash,
    You said “You only have fake religions that are a collection of meaningless rituals and wise sayings that have no real effect on your life.” Funny, that is a perfect description of islam, meaningless rituals like drinking piss from camels, not facing a certain direction when taking a dump, banging your head on the ground 5 times a day facing a certain direction, slitting an animal’s throat and letting it bleed to death slowly, and of course there is the rampant ritual of blowing themselves up in crowded areas. Pretty stupid cult if you ask anyone who THINKS.

    As for there being peace when muslims rule the world, that is a crock! If that had any inkling of truth, muslims would not be blowing themselves up in muslim countries, and killing each other in muslim countries. And I am not talking about Iraq, Trashcanistan and anywhere else muslims ran the country into the shitter then bitch about Americans cleaning up the mess. Look at the Taliban in the 90′s. Yeah, that was real peaceful muslim rule in Trashcanistan during their reign. And how about muslim Iran, dictated to by a bunch of mullahnazi khanzir like Khameini and his fist puppet Mahmoud I’mADamnNutJob. Real peaceful there too, where anyone speaking out disappears, women are beaten by religious police for not wearing the muslim trashbag suit to cover everything because muslim males have the self control of a dog in heat. Great examples of what islam can do for the world there, pal.

  • Royd

    ” banging your head on the ground ”

    Some bang their heads against walls, but I digress.

    About religion, Richard Dawkins says;

    “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

    It is argued Islam follows on from Judiasim and Christianty, with that start, it is no small wonder it is so bad.

  • Kal

    Jennyjen,

    I think meelash is referring to “A Christmas Story” where one of the kids gets his tounge stuck to a frozen lamp post. The phallic symbolism might simply be meelash’s way of telling us he has a secret…

  • Kal

    Royd,

    If you examine carefully, you can see that islam is a cheap knockoff carbon copy of Judaism and Christianity. All the worst parts that were in the Old Testament. Pretty much all that Dawkins quoted is inherent in islam.

  • Tonto (USA)

    meelash, you don’t get it because you are really very stupid…and ignorant.  I don’t care about OTHER RELIGIONS.  I have my own religion.  I don’t care about yours.  You think yours is the “right” religion or the “true” religion.  I think you’re full of shit, because I know MY RELIGION IS THE TRUE RELIGION, and I really don’t care what you think.  What I’m telling you is this: You go ahead and have whatever religion you want.  I’ll have my religion.  Leave me and my religion alone or face severe consequences.  Period. End of story.
      What we discuss here is what assholes and idiots muslims are.  Muslims are the bloodthirsty savages out there killing people in the name of their fubar religion on a daily basis.  You come in here and try to justify that.  That is because you are a twisted individual that probably molests small animals as a hobby because you are a muslim.  That’s why muslims don’t have dogs or pets.  They don’t want the kids shooting them, cutting them or setting them on fire in the house.  They know their kids have been touched by shaitan from birth and are twisted too.  Tell the truth, have you been eyeballing your sisters??  Or your brother?  Do muz men really wear pantyhose under those dress looking things they wear?

  • jennyjen

    Kal, LMAO! I LOVE IT! FYI: That is my fave Christmas movie but I usually fixate on the red rider b.b. gun. I guess that could be a little symbolic on my part :P

  • Chris

    Tonto,
       Stop it please. lol!! You are making me spit up food over here. LOL!!

  • meelash

    Chris, Instead of Glenn Beck, you quoted Memri.org???! Really? The israeli propoganda vehicle, founded and run by an ex-Mossad agent a professed fundametalist zionist? That’s your source for unbiased information about Muslims?
    (BTW you can’t claim that you looked at the original sources that Memri quoted, because, guess what? every one of the links in their references seems to be a dead link. hmm….)
    The first quote is by a heretic Shia imam that most of the Muslim world has no regard for, as I stated many times previously, when you people quote others of his ridiculous rantings. The reference to Jews and apes is in reference to the historical city of Jews, half of which were turned into apes because the did not observe the sabbath. Therefore, when Jews act in opposition to divine law they are connected with those same brethren of theirs that were turned into apes.

  • Kal

    meelash,

    I too frequent memri.org, but to get unbiased translations, I rely on Lebanese and Jordanian friends. In every instance I have gone to a link referenced by memri, the link is live and functional. Can you provide PROOF of a dead link, or are you just rambling on because you cannot refute what Chris is saying?

  • meelash

    Kal, Islam does have rituals as well, as would be expected of a true canonical religion; but besides them it has specific guidance for every sphere of life, it is not ONLY rituals, unlike the false religions of the world; that is the difference between truth and falsehood.
    As far as peace is concerned, there WAS peace under the Taliban in the ’90s and in Somalia during the ICU’s rule. Anytime that Sharia is in practice there will necessarily be peace, those two being the most modern examplars of this fact. (Don’t come back and quote to me about the fate of a few criminals to try to show that it was not peaceful- if three or four criminals were executed or had their hands cut off, or any other punishment for the sake of the entire nation living in a crime-free absolutely peaceful atmosphere, the few punishments cannot be considered to disturb the peae.)

  • meelash

    ROFLMAO!! I just realized that you, Kal, just made the same mistake that you made at the beginning of this thread almost two months ago and then denied making. You tried to prove a point about Islam using both Iran and the Taliban in the same paragraph, when the two have as much mutual enmity as the Taliban have towards the US. ahem..ahem..**moron**..ahem

  • meelash

    “Can you provide PROOF of a dead link, or are you just rambling on because you cannot refute what Chris is saying?”
    Are you stupid? Do you not understand English? I just said that the very article that Chris referenced, ALL the links in its reference section are dead links. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!

  • meelash

    Tonto, OUR kids are twisted at birth? You really want to go there, recognizing you belong to the only culture in the history of mankind, in which something like Columbine happened, not once, but multiple times? A culture in which the elementary schools have to have police men, security cameras, and metal detectors to prevent school children from literally killing each other? A culture in which a google search can turn up hundreds of cases of small children killing their parents and loved ones?
    Trust me, you do not want to go there…

  • meelash

    jennyjen- keep your pants on please. You claim to be a follower of Jesus (alayhis-salam) and yet you can’t stop yourself from making lewd comments to a strange man in a public forum? Some christian!

  • Chris

    Meelash,
    I am noting to play this game with you much longer. The sources are at the bottom of the page. Sometimes over time link disappear, everyone knows that. No one is making all this stuff up. This will not become the “we have to explain ourselves to meelash” site. I suggest you go elsewhere.

    http://www.hebraist.us/my_debate_against%20the%20%20Al-Azhar%20shaykh,grand%20ayatollah%20the%20Muslim_world%20leaders.htm

    On the issue of Jews, his work The Jews in the Qur’an and the Traditions summarized Tantawy’s interpretation of the Qur’an’s attitude towards Jews in this way: “The Qur’an describes the Jews with their own particular degenerate characteristics, i.e., killing the prophets of Allah, corrupting His words by putting them in the wrong places, consuming the people’s wealth frivolously, refusal to distance themselves from the evil they do, and other ugly characteristics caused by their deep-rooted lasciviousness … only a minority of Jews keep their word…. [But] not all Jews are the same. The good ones become Muslims.”

  • Chris

    Kal first he says the quote is no good and then he says who the quote is actually from. He is an idiot, who does not even have the guts to admit that Islam calls for our domination.

  • Chris

    Meelash,

         Tonto, OUR kids are twisted at birth? You really want to go there, recognizing you belong to the only culture in the history of mankind, in which something like Columbine happened, not once, but multiple times

    Muslims kill themselves all the time and a 12 year old Taliban kid beheaded someone. GIVE IT A REST.
  • Chris

    Meelash then admits that Jew are apes and he is pro-sharia and pro-Taliban. He is the enemy of the free world.

  • Kal

    Chris,

    I need not offer a rebuttal for meelash. That was perfect :D

  • Chris

    Thanks buddy!!

  • Tonto (USA)

    Arabs must be apes too……meelasharoonie said they were half-brothers to jews…..both came from Abraham.  Arabs must have been the pig part of the family, and that’s it…….they won’t eat their kin.

  • Tonto (USA)

       I love MEMRITV.  It doesn’t matter who started it or services it.  All they do is simply post articles from arabic TV sources.  They show the kind of crap the muz feed the populations there.  I go there sometimes just for the comical posturings the idiots go through….jeez they’re funny.  I see some of the weirdest thing I ever saw in my life.  The incredible thing is that the M/E populations that are fed a constant stream of this crap actually believe it.  Those poor fools over there are the most culturally deprived of anyone on earth.

  • jennyjen

    Meelash, its called a sense of humor. It’s important to have that in a free society or you get your feelings hurt over something as simple as a cartoon oh wait….

  • jews and muslims against zionism

    Its true Jews had no where to go and the muslims were the only people we could go to who took care of us. The terrorist atrocities have only occured recently not because these people are violent barbaric animals but you put any nation under the face of the earth in as much hell as the muslims have been put through in recent times they would be inhuman not to react like that. Although I am totally against suicide bombings I can not rule out the fact that I would not be inclined to do it if I saw my family being killed as a result of cold hearted ‘invaders’. Watch occupation 101 and you will understand (available on google video). The zionists and America has long been the cause of terror, they created terrorism not Islam. Firstly the war in the middle east is politically driven as under the Jewish law God has forbidden us to have our own nation and regarding the Taliban I have taken the following from a website in which I have provided the link for.Following is an excerpt from a book by a Jewish American author, A.S. Adler, regarding his research into the Taliban and the media coverage they received. Unlike professional Zionist Islamophobes, such as Daniel Pipes, Adler deflates the media hysteria surrounding the ‘evil Taliban’ with cool, calm research. He even comes from a religiously Jewish perspective.
    In my estimation, the Taliban may have been the most demonized government in recent history. There are several factors I can think of for this: Firstly, they were an impediment to the upcoming invasion of central Asia, and part of the propaganda preparation before 911 was demonising the Taliban to pit public opinion against even before the terror spectacles. Also, they didn’t have the means to defend themselves in the international media. Lastly, their very nature of being a Sharia-enforcing government helped the propagandists, as attacking them would be part of the ongoing demonization of Islam that started earnestly in the 90s after the red peril flustered, to be replaced by the rising green peril the Zionists saw as their enemy number 1.

    Needless to say, the propaganda was so good that even many (if not most) Muslims fell for much of the propaganda. Adler looked into the media reports regarding the Taliban pre-911, and uses human rights, UN, and news sources to show how the Taliban were maligned in relation to many of the accusations leveled against them: 
    Please click on this link muslim or non-muslim for the excerpt on the taliban:
    http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/2412   

    Also I have just read briefly about muslims calling us apes or pigs, etc. I do not appreciate this but understand they are angry with zionism not Judaism itself the term comes from an old jewish tradition in which the jews broke the law of the sabbath by trying to play with God’s laws and were turned into apes and pigs. There have been instances where we have killed the supposed ‘prophets’ but these are what we believe as false prophets who would weaken our status as the promised children. I dont care if people want to believe in Islam and Christianity but if someone claims his a prophet and tries to spread his own ways amongst people I am not responsible for whatever they decide to do him. Regarding muslims going to their own country there is no country practicing sharia law theres muslims in countries but the governments themselves are not muslims. Britain probably practices the sharia more than any other country in regards to free health care, paid for housing, tax (although much higher in comparision to the jiziyah), army territoral and regular, infact the whole structure was taken from Islam. The way the army runs nowadays is similar to the way muslims ran their armies with differnt divisions and specialities, etc. This is why muslims love Britain and its why I love Britain. But it will never be like Islamic Spain was. http://www.islamicspain.tv/Islamic-Spain/index.html

  • Kal

    Hey jews and muslims against zionism,

    Nice try, but muslims were committing these barbaric acts and acting like beasts long before Israel was RE-established in 1948. Look up the Berbers, do some reading about the caliphate in Spain, and of course about that whackjob pedophile Muhammad. He killed and raped a great many people, including a 9 year old girl. It is a great lie claiming that the US and Israel invented terrorism. Anyone with a functioning brain can read a history book and see that muslims were attacking the US as far back as 1783, and used their jihad manual, the quran, to justify it.

    I have a bit of a beef with your claim that muslims love Britain. I know they love blowing up trains and buses, and they love attacking lone Briton youths in large groups, and raping and killing kuffar women, but I see no love for the UK from them, other than a desire  to turn it into a shariah state…

    As for there not being muslim governments, please open your eyes and look at Iran. And Saudi. Both are shariah states, one a monarchy run by sunni, the other a theocracy run by shiites. Both are totalitarian islamic shariah shitholes.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/JevyJev JevyJev

      Submitted by Citizen Watchdog (United States), Jan 2, 2006 at 14:01

      Off the coast of, what is now Libya, Muslims regularly attacked American ships of commerce using the same tactics as they do today; Ransom, Beheading, Pillaging, and antaganism to peaceful commerce UNLESS the "Tax" was paid to the Muslim Caliph.

      Muhammed was all about collecting unearned money as he is today. Islam is a mind-set of Criminality to all and cannot exist in a peaceful society. This is why Jihad is preached daily in over 2000 American mosques.
      The U.S. objected and war was formally declared by Muslims against America;
      Tripolitan War 1801-15.

      The pirates of Islam continue to operate in those same waters today but Islam has now come to our shores preaching and plotting Jihad against us. 9-11 was merely a murder of 3000 humans and a Trillion $ face slap against FREEDOM..

      Close all mosques. Deny Muslims entry to the U.S. Deport all Muslims before the planned multi-city nuclear strike. Then, it will be too late!

      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/JevyJev JevyJev

      Submitted by Citizen Watchdog (United States), Jan 2, 2006 at 14:01

      The 1783 Attacks on US Shipping by Muslims

      Off the coast of, what is now Libya, Muslims regularly attacked American ships of commerce using the same tactics as they do today; Ransom, Beheading, Pillaging, and antaganism to peaceful commerce UNLESS the "Tax" was paid to the Muslim Caliph.

      Muhammed was all about collecting unearned money as he is today. Islam is a mind-set of Criminality to all and cannot exist in a peaceful society. This is why Jihad is preached daily in over 2000 American mosques.
      The U.S. objected and war was formally declared by Muslims against America;
      Tripolitan War 1801-15.

      The pirates of Islam continue to operate in those same waters today but Islam has now come to our shores preaching and plotting Jihad against us. 9-11 was merely a murder of 3000 humans and a Trillion $ face slap against FREEDOM..

      Close all mosques. Deny Muslims entry to the U.S. Deport all Muslims before the planned multi-city nuclear strike. Then, it will be too late!

      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

  • Chris

    Jews and Muslims,

    Of course you love the UK because as of now Muslims are walking all over the UK. But that will not last forever as the backlash will come. A backlash that the Muslim community deserves.
  • Chris

    There are aspects of sharia law in Islamic countries and only an liar would say that the Middle East is not Islamic.

    Saudia Arabia practices sharia more than anyone. Either you are a liar or ignorant. So which is it?
    The pro-sharia Muslim Brotherhood controls about 25% of the seats in the Egyptian government. Voted in by MUSLIMS.
    Right you are not a Muslim…..lol!! But you are standing up for the barbaric Taliban.
    Gee you fooled us all….
    Oh yea, Islamic terrorism has been going on long before Israel or the US even existed.
  • Tonto (USA)

      Got us a new muz troll do we?  The ignorance is everlasting and continuous.

  • jennyjen

    Did anyone click on the "wake up from your slumber" link. It's absolutely hilarious to anyone with a thought process. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Taliban announce that they were responsible for 9/11?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    I have seen links from that site on other forums. One of them has this poster who sits there everyday and posts anti-Jewish, anti-American, pro-Islamic and pro-Hamas propaganda all day and swears that he is not a Muslim. Lol!!

  • jennyjen

    The link he had posted is an article written by a man with his head up his ass. He asks the question,"what court has the Taliban been convicted in?" how about the court of DUH!! Libtards make me wanna exercise my 2nd amendment right. I mean really, we ain't gonna miss these chicken shit appeasers!
    What's even worse is I checked out some of the sites on their blog role and holy freakin shit, are there really that many idiots?? If libtards would shut their mouths for 15 minutes and listen to the truth, I'd like to think they'd gain a little education but I figure their head will just explode.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    What happened to Simon?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/meelash meelash

    Chris:
    "There are aspects of sharia law in Islamic countries and only an liar would say that the Middle East is not Islamic."
    There are aspects of sharia law in the Constitution of the U.S.: http://www.cairchicago.org/doc/thomas_jefferson_q… Does that mean that the U.S. practices Sharia law?

    "Saudia Arabia practices sharia more than anyone. Either you are a liar or ignorant. So which is it?"

    No, YOU are supremely ignorant to make a statement like that. S.A. is ruled by an autocratic monarchy installed by the british empire at the end of colonial rule. They use "sharia" applied selectively to the lower classes to keep the masses under their control, while the rich minority lives with as much debauchery as any American debutante. Alcohol is available for sale on the streets of Jeddah and the money of the monarchy is all in interest-bearing accounts that are supporting American banks. Shariah law is not the name of just chopping off the hand of a few beggars and political assassinations.

    In fact, there is hardly a single cleric of even the most well-known mosques in the world that has not spent months in Saudi jails for speaking out against the un-Islamic government. Look up Sheikh Hudhaifi, Mohaisany, etc. Would that be the case in a country practicing Sharia law?

    When such pervasive misconceptions and ignorance form the basis of your world-view, it's not surprising that you are such a bigot.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/meelash meelash

    Jennyjen:

    "Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Taliban announce that they were responsible for 9/11?"

    Okay, I will correct you. You are wrong. The Taliban have never claimed any responsibility for 9/11. Osama bin Laden has never claimed any responsibility for 9/11, although he has expressed satisfaction in the proverbial "chickens coming home to roost."

    Following 9/11, the Taliban placed Osama under house arrest and invited the US to present evidence to begin extradition proceedings, as any sovereign nation on earth would do. The US, continuing its refusal of the right of the Afghan people to self-governance, responded by carpet-bombing the country, in violation of established international law, with the blessings of the allegedly "United Nations".

    See, the fact is, 9/11 was just an excuse for the United States government attacking the only Sharia-law practicing government in the world. If your capitalism and democracy are so good, why are you afraid to allow another free system to exist in the world as an example of a better way? Why are you afraid of free-competition among competing systems of government? Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and allow other countries true self-determination?

  • james

    At least the teacher won't have to listen to that horrible prayer time hollering.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    Nyeeek halek, freedom fighter. Does all this crap you write get you off? Who do you think even reads all this wanking garbage? Give the BS a rest and actually say something once in a while. Geez, what a zip!

  • http://www.femanol.com/ VaginalOdor

    Now that is ridiculous.

  • http://simplestdtesting.com/resources/ john09

    Tribal elders in Iraq and Taliban soldiers in Afghanistan have been receiving payment for some time.