Trusting Obama…
5:56 pm on October 13, 2008 by Infidelesto
Amazing how people don’t look into this stuff. They “trust” Obama. They TRUST him. It’s unbelievable how people can TRUST someone who’s done NOTHING but make big promises to the American people. No, no, don’t “trust” a 20 year voting record, don’t “trust” a man who’s given everything but his life for his country, don’t “trust” a man who releases all documentation on his background the minute it’s asked for. NO! Don’t trust him. Don’t “trust” the most popular governor in America, or a candidate who’s NEVER taken an earmark or ever betrayed his principles for political expediency, no!. This person must not be trusted!
Trust the OTHER guy. Why? Trust the man who’s NEVER reached across the aisle or opposed his own party when necessary. Trust the candidate who WON”T release his actual birth certificate, even going as far as being taken to court by someone of his OWN party to obtain this documentation. Trust the guy who WON”T release any information about his past, who seals his own school records and Harvard Law Thesis’.
Trust a man who’s voted for Infanticide over and over again, oh, yes, TRUST this man. Trust it was just a blip on the Messiah’s record. Trust that he’ll cut your taxes and that Investments and jobs will continue to expand eventhough we know he’s dabbled with high-taxing socialists his whole career. Trust him! Trust that he won’t support a handgun ban on America eventhough he supported banning guns in Chicago.
Trust him! Trust that he’ll protect this country from Islamic terrorism, evnethough he wants to drastically cut our military spending and sit down at the table with our enemies. Trust that he won’t support dividing Jerusalem eventhough he flip-flopped the day after saying it should be un-divided. Trust that he won’t cater to the enemeies of America who so addamantly support him. Trust that he’ll defend America’s interest eventhough he hangs around with people who HATE AMERICA. Trust that he’ll FIGHT Islamic extremism eventhough Islamic extremists love him!
Trust him! Trust that he’ll protect America in the event of a nuclear attack eventhough he says that nukes should “not be used under any circumstance”. Trust him! Trust him when he says he never heard anything radical come from Jeremiah Wright’s mouth. Trust that he had no idea about Bill Ayers Terrorist background. Trust him! Just a blip on the messiah’s record, right? No bug deal, right!??
I just don’t see the logic…sorry.
I want to hear from you guys. Why should we trust Obama? Leave your reply in the comments.
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golfdad on 13 October 2008:
Mmmmm.
Because his delightfully playful wife says he’s a great guy?
Kay L on 13 October 2008:
When they look at Obama, they see and hear whatever they want to believe. There is no Obama really, just a screen for people to project their own desires onto.
You can’t get past word one with those people. Challenging Obama is threatening to their own egos because that is what they see–themselves.
My sister and brother-in-law are supporters of Comrade Zero and if anyone mentions the slightest thing about him that is not completely positive they act just like cult members–anger, fury, emotional outbursts, tears.
It’s scary. It’s irrational.
There is no reasoning with them. McCain could change water into wine and it wouldn’t make the slightest difference.
ender on 13 October 2008:
nobama says “It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success too.”
just spread the wealth.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/195153.html
trust him, yes I do. I trust that he will destroy America to make it a socialist country. they are buying the votes, even the dead have risen to cast a ballot for him. I trust that he will disarm America and put his own civilian defense force on every corner for our safety. I suggest that they wear brown shirts so we know who they are. All you have to do is listen to what he says, he is telling you, but his fans don’t listen, they are to busy chanting to realize what he is saying.
so when it happens and his fans wake up and go “what happened?”, they can use youtube (if its still around, have a feeling we will be losing a few rights) to watch his speechs and go “oh he is a socialist who wants to control my life.”
Hitler wrote an autobiography, was a community organizer, a good speaker and offered to save the people of Germany with a socialist government. that worked out, didn’t it? so now history can repeat itself, sit back and enjoy the ride. I am sure ayres, rev wright and louis farrakhan will enjoy dinner at the white house and spending weekends in the Lincoln bedroom, as they look down on “We the People”.
Michael Ejercito on 13 October 2008:
Kay,
our message is not aimed at Obama worshipers- or McCain worshipers for that matter.
It is aimed at people who just want to vote for the best candidate.
Tonto (USA) on 13 October 2008:
As a person who has toured the block more than once or twice, I know better than to believe the things that come out of any politician’s mouth without taking a good long look at the record and background of said politician. Obama is smoother than a “Mack Avenue Pimp” but is a man without substance and certainly not above falsehood and outright lies to get where he wants to go. He speaks well and is silky, and knows it. There is a certain arrogance about the man. Problem is, he’s talking much more conservative then he has EVER acted. Look at his record of being slightly to the right of marx and Lenin. Actually more BETWEEN Marx and Lenin. Trust him? Sure, just like a “Mack Avenue Pimp”………with my hand on my gun.
Kay L on 14 October 2008:
MIchael,
Sorry to crash your party.
Don’t mind me, I’ll just grab a bag of chips on my way out….
marcus on 14 October 2008:
here’s a reason not to trust obama on the economy: he contributed to the current subprime loan crisis by training chicago acorn staff. acorn by the way are known for their successful intimidation tactics on banks so that they make loans to people who are unable to pay them back, an abuse of the community reinvestment act. either obama was ignorant of the consequences of his activities, or he helped set into motion the collapse of our economy on purpose, according to the cloward-piven strategy, well worth checking out here:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967
ender on 14 October 2008:
I want to hear from you guys. Why should we trust Obama? Leave your reply in the comments.
kay nailed it
Nina on 14 October 2008:
Some people trust Obama because he is so clever in his speaking style and he is a master of deception.Personally I dont trust him at all.His long time association with Rev Wright and there hateful anti-American,white hating preaching.Plus all his terrorists buddies.I dont understand how he could even be eligable to run for President.Has our nation sunk so low that we will grab anyone that comes out of the gutter?????Obama has the young fooled but he doesnt have all the older ones fooled.Only the ones that are not completely informed.Shame on the mainstream media for NOT reporting Obama as he should be reported.Hats off to Fox News for reporting everything!!..The media has a duty to the American public to report everything.Fox news has critized the other media networks many times for not being fair and balanced and covering up alot of frightening stuff about Obama that will pluge this country into a socialistic one with him in office if he is elected President.A well proven fact!!!Guess the Democrats dont really care about this country and what it stands for and its Constitution,,only what is in it for them!!!
dobus on 14 October 2008:
Smooth and silky? So was Hitler. Mandatory service for all? Mandatory childcare for kids as young as three? Threatening TV stations with license revocation for running ads that tell the truth? Same-sex marriage across the board? Not a citizen? No US passport? What are we thinking?
This is the Great Deceiver! He is a Muslim by sentiment alone! He’s willing to give this country away to them and eventually to Sharia law so we can all peaceably surrender to Islam.
He doesn’t give a damn for us, the REAL Americans. He will rule [not govern} the same as the Muzz do- by violent intimidation and fear- America, come to your senses and stop this beast or reflect on the last weeks of our freedoms-
Liz on 14 October 2008:
There is a demonic spirit at work in this election. I know that sounds wierd, but it’s true. I have a friend who is an ex-Satanist, She told me that the when they set out to destroy a church or a group or a person, the first thing they do is send out the spirit of deception. When that takes root, then it allows all other things in. It blinds the minds of those that it affects and then they cannot see truth. Just think about it. Those who are trusting him are doing so in the face of every truth that is brought out about him. The main stream media are totally submitted to this spirit. They pour out deception every time they do a broadcast. Why is America falling prey to so many things that are self destructive? Why are we allowing the things to happen here that will ruin our country? Because half the country is under deception. No I am not crazy. There is a spiritual war going on in this nation…between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It’s invisible, but we see the fruit of it daily. The devil is “a liar and the father of lies”, and he is working to devour this nation which was founded on righteousness and God’s principles. Sometimes it feels that he is succeeding, but God is still God! And if Obama wins, He will still be God and will still answer prayer and will still be on the throne. Enough preaching!
jennyjen on 14 October 2008:
LOL at “delightfully playful wife” aka the Queen of Snarl, she gives me chills, not the good kind either.
I see no reason to trust the man, I think the Obamanites are blinded by his ears and mesmerized by his pimp-hand. They want someone to take care of them, to coddle and rock them and tell them its gonna be OK, I’ll take care of your home, healthcare and kids, you run along and do as you like. Don’t question me, I am a supreme being, I am SuperObama!
“Pay NO attention to the Man behind the Curtain!!!!”
Storm-Rider on 14 October 2008:
Barak Obama embodies the new international anti-American alliance: Islamo-Marxism. Are we to have an enemy of the Bill of Rights as our President?
carolyne on 14 October 2008:
TRUST ?? OBAMA ??? NOT IF MY LIFE DEPENDED ON IT!
WOULD YOU HAVE EVER GUESSED IT COMING FROM ME??
No need to say sorry, Obama doesn’t deserve trust. Obama’s only logic is his own greedy interest. McCain says if Obama is elected he will drive our country that is in a recession into a depression. Obama is depressing alright! Just one question would anyone trust Obama with their tax dollars, as he would funnel them into the Obama Fraud Fund, run by his pals. Promises, promises that turn out to be double crossing lies, that’s Obama to a tee.
Hey Jennyjen here we go again agreeing as one: MO the Queen of snarl, and real ‘ugg’ creepy. Vera Baker, BO’s girl friend gave MO a nervous anger fit I understand.
Good Enough, LOL
carolyne on 14 October 2008:
LIZ: YOU NAILED IT, OBAMA has a evil stronghold on America, but our weapons are not carnal, to the pulling down of strongholds. IF God be for us who can be against us. If, the worst happens, it’s been nice blogging here, but I would say we’ll all be out of here shortly, and Oh MY. My hope is Sarah Palin and her anointing from God will make a difference. God Bless!
Michael Ejercito on 14 October 2008:
You should listen to this clip from the Howard Stern show.
One of his people was interviewing people, asking them whom they will vote for in the election, and why. The answers are very revealing.
http://boomp3.com/listen/c1hbq1ljl_8/stern-2008-10-01cf
simon on 19 October 2008:
I think he is great, I’m a big fan, I think he will do the world a lot of good… oh and he WILL win !
simon on 19 October 2008:
Sarah palin anointed by god…Ha Ha ha!… So you presume to know what god wants?…you sound like a radical moslem.
Still she has had an imported Nigerian priest lay hands on her to protect her from witchcraft… but personally I still think she can curdle milk
carolyne on 19 October 2008:
Simon your god is little (g) the god or this world, Satan. Our God is capitol G,
the one true God of Heaven, known as our Heavenly Father, get your G’s right.
Your stupidity is showing! God is not pleased with your blasphemy, which is idolatry and the quickest way to Hell.
simon on 19 October 2008:
thanks carolyne, “God is not pleased with your blasphemy”. I am delighted you know what God thinks. Personally I don’t believe in a christian, moslem or jewish god.
I believe the universe may have a conciousness that is shared by all beings. This “my God is right and your god is false” business is just a bit childish in my opinion.
And I believe if there is a conciousness then it’s expression would be love.
And if pure love was to judge my behaviour then I think my frailties would be given some allowance.
And if this God - of yours- will send me to hell (whatever that is) because I dropped a capital letter in her/his name then her/his expression would not be one of love, but one of infantile spite… I don’t believe that is how the universe works….
by the way I don’t have a god of satan or any other god. In fact i don’t have a god at all, i just can’t be bothered to capitalise in blogs
Kay L on 19 October 2008:
Simon,
I see. So, for some reason that gives you the right to mock someone else’s beliefs?
It doesn’t.
And as for Obama. He will not do anyone any good. He is a socialist. And as an atheist or agnostic, you should be well aware of the kind of damage that socialism wreaks upon those under its yoke. It is a religious kind of persecution that denies the freedoms of the individual in favor of the nebuous “all.” But, its really just about power.
Obama wants to change the world? Hubris!
He won’t even be able to make a dent in the problems of our own country. He is inexperienced with no accomplishments to his name whatsoever. (And, sorry, no, running a presidential campaign does not rise to the level of an accomplishment.)
He is schooled in a virulent brand of socialism. His “tell” on the matter was in what he said to the now infamous Joe the Plumber. Joe the Plumber didn’t do anything but ask a question. Obama is the one who answered the question and it was his answer that caused the publicity.
He wants to take our money, our hard earned money, to use it as HE sees fit, and as sees fit, is to give it to people who did not earn it. Bad. Bad. Bad.
I’m gonna go grab a soda…
simon on 19 October 2008:
where did i mock your beliefs? I have re-read what i wrote, and i cannot see where i am mocking anything.
and of course if mocking someone’s beliefs is wrong, then I trust you won’t be saying anything bad about Islam here.
simon on 19 October 2008:
Also i am not completely against some sort of wealth distribution myself. For example if one were to increase taxes on billionaire financial traders, and use it to help someone who hadn’t earn’t it… lets say for example a person with downs cyndrome, or a person who got paralyzed or something similar, then i would have to say (with no hint of mockery) that i would support it…
I seem to remember Jesus chasing out money lenders, and helping the disabled… but maybe he isn’t a good example of the free market.
Kay L on 19 October 2008:
“So you presume to know what god wants?…you sound like a radical moslem.”
She was just expressing her opinion in religious terms because that is what is dear to her. You don’t have to agree with her. But, if you don’t believe in god or God then I assume that you don’t believe in anointing. Don’t insult her faith.
As far as “redistribution of wealth” Obama is not talking about helping the helpless. He is talking about looking out for “the person in back of ya’ ” So, presumably the person just behind you competing in the market but for some reason not doing as well as YOU.
The whole crux of the matter is that it’s YOUR money. Americans give more to charity than any other nation on earth. Why should that be the government’s job? They don’t do any type of human service very efficiently or in a way that is good for a person.
Regular people do!
That’s the spirit of America–it’s can do, not “yes, we can.” We KNOW we can. But, if the government takes over and takes away the rightful reward of our labor–whether you make 10K or millions, YOU know how to spend it better than the government.
Do you REALLY want Obama deciding FOR YOU, how the fruit of your labors is going to be divided among the masses?
carolyne on 19 October 2008:
This ’simon says’ is a perfect idiot, He is beyond the game of learning!
Time waster!
simon on 19 October 2008:
hang on a minute “don’t insult her faith” ?.. this whole site seems to be based on insulting faith… Islam.
Of course I don’t believe in anointing, neither do i believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden. But that is just my opinion… i do not believe i was insulting. I was simply saying anyone who thinks sarah palin is anointed by god should expect a bit of vigorous debate!
And as for obama spending money (obviously not mine as i don’t live in the states)… then that is a question you should throw open to the american people… that’s what democracy is all about. We will get an answer very soon… should be interesting.
simon on 19 October 2008:
“perfect idiot”… I’m sorry no one is perfect
…so you if don’t have an answer… you immediately resort to insults… nice debating technique… I have faith in my beliefs… so please don’t insult my faith
carolyne on 19 October 2008:
I didn’t say: ’simon says’ was a perfect person.
I said ’simon says’ is a perfect idiot.
You know what, you can find your own kind, as there are plenty out there following Obama blindly around. That is who you would feel more comfortable with. They can cut God down, and not even feel bad about it or know that is what they just did. Leave faith out of this, as you are clueless along that line.
simon on 19 October 2008:
so far you have called me a perfect idiot, a time waster, a blasphemer, clueless, and yet you accuse me of being insulting!
and yet i have been perfectly civil to you. I must say you are not very good at expressing yourself without childish rudeness.
Everyone has a different opinion… that’s the beauty of life.
Yes i think Obama (notice the capital letter !) is great, I am a big fan, but thats o.k We all have different takes on things. It is clear I think your religious zealotry is ludicrous, but at least I don’t have to believe it.
simon on 19 October 2008:
… by the way on the question of perfection i still don’t believe it really exists, whether in reference to a person or idiocy…. however you may have proved me wrong on that one;)
Kay L on 19 October 2008:
Well, Simon, now it makes perfect sense. You like Obama but you won’t have to live under his socialist policies–ie, its not YOUR money he is taking.
See, he is being kind of vague about the whole socialism thing. Socialist dresses itself in the garment of charity, helping the poor, helping those who need a hand, helping the struggling.
But, the role of the government is not to be a Sugar Daddy. The role of government is to collect taxes for programs that serve the interests of all the people. The money goes towards things that private industry should not do–policing things, the military, etc.
In socialism, the money goes to whatever special interest the “great leader” deems important. Check out Zimbabwe–redistribution of wealth. Using force they took private lands that were actually profit producing businesses, which helped supply the country not only with food but with products for trade, and they gave them to the “poor.” Read that–Mugabe’s cronies. Inevitably the “poor” ends up being cronies.
Now, the country is facing mass starvation. No one has anything.
Now, Obama is not upfront about his beliefs in socialism. If he were, people would likely not vote for him.
Part of the problem is that socailist/Marxist philosophies have infected society–schools, especially journalism and education.
People are conditioned to believe that socialism could lead to a Utopia. But, it won’t. We know where socialism leads and its not pretty.
When Obama talked to that plumber, he very subtly let the cat out of the bag. That’s why they are dogpiling on Joe trying to shut him up–even though it wasn’t HIM who said it!
Obama’s socialist streak goes waaaay back.
I am very confident in spending my own money. I don’t need him to do it.
Chris on 20 October 2008:
Simon,
Speaking the truth about Islam is not insulting Islam.
What is there that a non-Muslim should like about Islam?
carolyne on 20 October 2008:
Kay L: really good, I like the disguise gone, now we have Obama in a nutshell, and the nut is rotten. Chris, love it and I understand Obama loves the sound of the Muslim call to prayer. Obama says, ” the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful sound on earth at sunset.” So trusting Obama, it’s out of the question.
jennyjen on 20 October 2008:
Kay L seems to hit the nail on the head! Carolyn, you are inspiring as usual, love it!
simon on 23 October 2008:
hi chris, leaving aside the question of socialism which I would love to debate when I am not in an I phone. The point about telling the truth about Islam is I good one . I am definitely not a fan of Islam, so would find it had to defend. But one can not deny it is a faith. And I was asked in a previous post not to mock someones faith.
Personally I think both Islam and Christianity are ludicrous belief systems that have caused terrible suffering historically. I believe the teachings of Christ are very good and peacful. But as you can see from the insults I have already recieved Christians tend to be as sanctimonious an aggresive as anyone else.
Both tony Blair and bush are so called christans and yet have caused more death an suffering through their bombing campaigns (based on wilful lies) than any bunch of crazy Moslems.
The cruelty and suffering caused by Christians throughout history is appaling.
Whatever happened to turn the other cheek or the meek shall inherit the earth… Or judge not…. Etc. I don’t see why anyone who believed nonsense should be excused from mockery. Going on about hell and blasphemy… Is just another techniqe of the thought police.
Kay L on 23 October 2008:
Simon,
Regimes that substituted the state for all kinds of “faiths” have killed more people than any religious conflict has killed in history. See Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao… the list goes on.
simon on 24 October 2008:
Hi Chris… I am not a fan of Islam that is why i discovered this site. I am not defending it. However it is undeniable that Islam is a “faith”. I was advised on this thread not to mock peoples faith. What was of course was meant was “mock other people’s faith by all means, but don’t mock mine” Personally I believe both Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Satanism, Sufism, etc are all equally responsible for terrible atrocities the world over. Christianity does not i fear have clean hands. Richard the Lionheart slaughtering the entire populations of towns in the Holy land, medieval witch trials, The Spanish inquisition, the massacre of Aboriginal peoples, even the Salem witch trials, have all been done in the name of Christianity. So much for “love thy neighbour as thyself”. Religious Zealots of all denominations appear to love their belief systems more than their fellow man.
Kay… to call Zimbabwe a “socialist country” is ridiculous. Zimbabwe is an African basket case. Presided over by a psychotic dictator, who has systematically sent his Zanu PF war veterans to butcher anyone who disagrees with him. Mugabe is a complete nut job, he is a dictator, you are looking at a dictatorship… this has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. He is no different to Hitler. Socialism (based on the root word “social”) presumes democracy…. you vote…Hitlers political party was called “The national socialist party” … a joke really… as it was a facist state, not a socialist one. Once Hitler was in power no one voted, same for Mugabe. Zimbabwe is an example of a totalitarian dictatorship, and represents not element of the socialist ideology, any more than that great American ally Saudi Arabia does.
Kay L. I seem to remember from my history lessons that the American founding fathers, clearly set out the seperation of Church and State. That is the constitutional basis of your country. So anyone who starts invoking god into politics (e.g sarah “this pipeline is gods will” Palin) is running totally counter to the constitution of your fine country. And anyone who disregards the constitution in such a henious way, can in my mind only be considered as totally unpatriotic.
simon on 24 October 2008:
One further point, If you want to have a look at mildly socialist countries which to my mind work very well, take a look at Holland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway.
I have lived for many years in Holland, and found it to be a wonderful country, high taxes yes, but most parents have access to child care, they have a very low crime rate, in a recent survey Dutch children were found to be the happiest in Europe. Zero gun crime, women can walk anywhere at any time in Amsterdam without fear of attack.
I saw a New york comedian perform in Amsterdam, his whole routine was based on being black and so poor “You guys ever been so poor you can’t eat.. that you have to use a small piece of butter to shine your shoes”.. and so he went on in this vein. the dutch audience seemed bemused… no they had no experience of this… no one is that poor in holland. Because that sort of poverty doesn’t exist there. Everyone does get a pension, most people can get housing, the gap between rich and poor is not so marked there…. True the taxes are high, but the social benefits are good. Probably not the place to be if you want to spend fortunes on luxury items, big cars, expensive mansions, huge televisions… but the benefits are enormous.
I am not suggesting that all the christians would want to be persuing the god of mammon… its easier for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven etc. But if you would like to see a place that is mildly socialist.. go to Holland, I have three American friends there… they went for a holiday and never left.
Massive gaps between rich and poor can cause terrible social divisions, I don’t think that some sort of wealth distribution is necessarily bad, and in the dutch case i can testify that it can lead to a less envious, and more socially cohesive society.
ender on 24 October 2008:
the founding fathers did set up the seperation of church and state, not the outlawing of belief in a god. seperation of church in state means the government can’t force you into a state sponsered religion. it doesn’t mean you cant say “god bless you”. after all our money says “in god we trust” and our pledge of alligence says “under god”, you as an American can fill in which ever version of god you want. so that also inclludes politicians, we are close to outlawing the word “god” or at least the aclu and liberals are, they hate any form of faith or a belief system.
holland, europes hash paradise, where a cartoon can get you killed and an opinion can put you under 24 hour police protection from being murdered by a muslim. see thats the kind of stuff we are trying to avoid here. I kinda like being able to walk down a street and not worry about getting stabbed in the chest because of something I said, or have my car set on fire because mohammed was on south park.
Chris on 24 October 2008:
Sweden….
simon on 24 October 2008:
Hi Ender, I don’t know why you mention outlawing god… I have never suggested that. I would have to do some resesearch on the pledge of allegiance, but I believe that the “under god” is not the original pledge. Rather it is something that was added in the during the Mcarthy era, do destinguish Americans from the “godless commies”. therefore it is not an original pledge, but something added much later, and debatably not in keeping with the spirit of the true concept of the founding fathers.
As for liberals hating god or belief systems, well that has me confused. I am aware that in your country the word liberal is akin to a swear word. In my country the word liberal (from the root liberty) means you can do pretty much what you want as long as it doesn’t hurt others. It might be worth looking up the word liberal in the dictionary so we can be sure what we are talking about. My understanding of the word is that it is similar to the word tolerant.
As for the bit about a cartoon getting you killed… I completely agree with you… unfortunately our “liberal” attitudes to immigration from moslem countries has caused us terrible problems, and I agree with everything you say about the situation here. It is a bloody nightmare… free speech is going out the window… and we are becomming the victims of moslem intolerance. It is even worse in holland in that respect. We are the victims of political correctness gone mad.
On the subject of hash.. I am in kind of two minds about that. All drugs are pretty bad news. Alcahol is of course a drug, and having spent a spring break in Florida i can attest to it’s disasterous affects. In Britain the highest death rate for 18 - 25 year olds is alchahol related. 65% of crimes of violence - alchahol related. 61% domestic violence, criminal damage, road deaths etc etc all alchahol related.
It is interesting to note that christianity as far as i am aware (cf islam buddhism hinduism) is an alchahol based faith system. the first trick jesus did (apparently) was to turn water into wine. the central “sacrament” of christianity is yes you have guessed it.. drinking alchahol (jesus’ blood apparantely…. how wierd is that?)
personally i think if everyone smoked weed on a saturday night the fights would just evaporate. Everyone has a drug of choice… mine is weed, others get drunk, personally in terms of violence and crime alchahol is the one that should be illegal… whether it is the blood of christ or not
Chris on 24 October 2008:
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jennyjen on 24 October 2008:
The church I was raised in did not allow drinking or smoking, we had grape juice for sacrament, I shit you not! I’m not a big fan of organized religion but I do believe in God and I try to be a spiritual bitch. I just lack a tolerance of ignorance, can’t stand it and Islam makes me holla What-The-Fuck on a daily basis. There have been times when Christianity has put me in that situation as well, it’s a lack of good sense that fuels the ignorance that enrages me. Be it Religion, Politics or the latest style (Ponchos, wtf!) I get riled.
Simon, I gotta agree with your last paragraph, if only the world could get a little high…..
simon on 24 October 2008:
CM on 24 October 2008:
jennyjen-
Sounds good to me.
CM on 24 October 2008:
simon-
“I was advised on this thread not to mock peoples faith. What was of course was meant was ‘mock other people’s faith by all means, but don’t mock mine”
HAHAHA. I certainly noticed that around here as well.
I’m really glad someone else pointed that out.
Tonto (USA) on 24 October 2008:
Faith and religion, Gods, devils and that have nothing to do with it all. There are two very opposing views in this election. On one side we have socialism, the taking from those that have and giving it to those who have not. On the other side we have Democracy, and that has not been alive and well in this country for a while. I see it as a battle between truth and light versus the darkness, lies and evil. I want to see the return of the values we had in this country when I was a kid….even though I know that is impossible. But, a return to HONOR should be possible. Politicians and greedy money men have dragged this country into the mud and shit of corruption. Those need to be sought out and punished. We already have many of their names and numbers.
Obama talks of change. Great. But when we go looking for his bonafides, we find everything hidden or obscured by half truths. Obama struts like a high school hero……I really think he feels this is half a game. Michelle is filled with hate and confusion. She doesn’t know who she really is and ain’t happy at all with what she knows about herself. Angela Davis look-alike too. Ugly bitch.
Obama isn’t in there alone. He’s got some powerful people with deep pockets carrying him, both here and overseas. That alone should tell the world something. I don’t care what name you want to call it but there is EVIL in this world. I have seen it and it really scares me. That force is what is pushing all of this, and Obama is part of an evil plan. He may not even know it. He’s just a little man playing a part on a big stage that he is too fucking dumb to understand….just like any diehard democrat/liberal. They really think they’re working for good. Far right republicans think they are right. Greedy politicials and wall street denizens are happily filling their pockets with an attitude of “ME FIRST” with all that money….shit I can’t even imagine what 90 million dollars LOOKS like…but these guys toss around numbers like that with no problem.
I’ll tell you this though. I’m sick and tired of having someone else control my life. I’m sick of politicos and $5000 suits and $200,000 cars and multi-million dollar homes given to unworthy fucks on my dimes. That’s what I’m tired of. Trust Obama? I trust that puke to stink after he’s dead. That’s about as far as it goes. Obama is lies and bullshit. Hidden secrets and questions that he won’t answer. On the other hand, we KNOW McCain. We know how he suffered for his HONOR (and that’s what it was about). We know about his integrity (his life is an open book). And if you’re and American working person, you KNOW who Sarah Palin is. You’re either her yourself or you’re married to her, or wish you were. I guess you can figure out how I’m going to vote. What I don’t understand is how anyone could even consider that fraudulent fuck Obama in the first place.
CM on 24 October 2008:
carolyne-
I never thought I’d be making such an obvious statement but here it goes: finding the Muslim call to prayer to be a beautiful sound does not make you a Muslim.
Wow.
simon on 24 October 2008:
Hi Tonto
i don’t agree with anything you say… but thats cool. As I have said I think Obama would be good, but I do have doubts. I had the same feeling years ago when we elected Tony Blair… I was so excited… really hoped for change… had total faith in our new leader… I was practically dancing in the street. It didn’t take long for the excitement to wear off… he started lying the moment he was in office… I hated his puppy dog attitude to George Bush ( no offence mate but around the world that guy really is a big joke… a total embarassment).
Maybe Obama is just like all the others… Maybe there is no such thing as a “decent politician”…. maybe they are all a bunch of corrupt bastards with their snouts in the trough.
I would like to be a bit optomistic about Obama… but he may prove to be just one more dissapointment. I hope not. But just because Mcain served in the army doesn’t make him any better…. Hitler served as a corporal in the first world war, but it didn’t make him an open book imo.
We can agree to disagree on candidates… democracy and all that… my real fear is that they are all a bunch of corrupt liars. Mcain can’t even remember how many houses he has (five I believe)… you can’t tell me he speaks for the common man who is struggling to avoid losing his home.
I do think at least on one level that for the states to have a black president is a tribute to your country, and a sign that things have changed for the better. As to whether he delivers the goods who can say? I really hope so… but i do have this nagging doubt that i am about to be fooled again!
jennyjen on 24 October 2008:
Simon, just an FYI, Obama is running his campaign parallel to Bill Clinton’s campaign. Promise middle class tax cuts but never deliver. Promise universal health care, never deliver. Higher taxes on the rich, never deliver. There’s a pattern amongst the Dem’s and it seems to be high on promise and low on delivery. Dem’s try to maintain that they are “champions of the working class” but it couldn’t be further from the truth, they are champions of politics. Carry on…
simon on 24 October 2008:
….cheers jen… well yes that’s what i am worried about. But if he did deliver (I’m not saying he will… only time will tell) then I would have to be an improvement on Mr Bush surely?
I hope he delivers, I hope he is what he seems.
But I am preparing for dissapointment
jennyjen on 24 October 2008:
Mr. Bush has made some bad decisions. He doesn’t have the support of the house or the senate and I am in no way defending him but being president of this country is most definitely the hardest job in America. For every 1 person that agrees with you, there are 10 ready to chop you off at your knees. I don’t think Obama is planning on this, I think he believes there will be little opposition to his plans, he is wrong. Many democrats (who will hold their tongues til after election-cowards) do not approve of Obama plans to tax the wealthy, why? They are the wealthy. I promise you Simon, that is a tax plan that will never pass.
With the flat tax it’s all fair, 10% of my income ain’t shit. 10% of Obama’s wifes income, that’s something.
simon on 24 October 2008:
I agree that being president is a hard job… it has always struck me that Bush is a man who can barely talk…. why he got elected god only knows. And world wide he has done the image of america terrible harm. Abu graaib (ok i can’t spell it… but he can’t even say it) camp x ray, guantanamo bay, extraordinary rendition, torture, waterboarding…
Did you know that in the Neuremberg Trials after the second world war 8 Japanese officers were put to death by the American lead court for water boarding?
You live in a really great country… i feel slightly patriotic about America and I’m English for gods sake!
But Bush has trampled over over justice, human dignity, the Geneva Convention. And the freedoms and that has made your country so wonderful.
After 9/11 there was a massive outpouring of sympathy for your country, and rightly so… but he has squandered it, and the revulsion the world feels for his policy of secret torture flights, can scarcely be over stated. imo he has been a disaster.
It really is time for a change now… and to be hones someone like Sarah Palin scares the shit out of me.
And as for tax I envy you! I pay 30% up to 40k a year then after that its 40%.
But on the other hand we have a free healthcare service here… it’s a bit shit but at least it’s free to everyone… now that I do like!
Michael Ejercito on 24 October 2008:
What secret torture flights would those be? And where were those flights going?
Chicago?
simon on 24 October 2008:
… worse than that, generally Egypt
Michael Ejercito on 24 October 2008:
Captured terrorists should be renditioned to Israel; the people there know how to treat them.
jennyjen on 24 October 2008:
Simon,
I actually don’t make enough to be taxed (good accountant too). So taxes don’t mean shit to me. I don’t know if it’s 10% or what, I don’t think it matters either, Obama’s tax plan won’t happen. He’s not going to make his buddies pay more, neither will the members of the house or senate.
Why does Palin scare you? She is a mother of 5, she has raised a family in Alaska and reformed a very corrupt state government that pandered to the “good ol’ boy system”
Free health care, lets see. You become a doctor to help people and make money. The US decides it’s going to pay you and all other doctors. You can be an exceptional doctor with a line of patients willing to pay extra to see you and you will not make a cent more than the 4 time med school reject, who is also on the governments payroll. Under this plan, exceptional doctors make the same as eh doctors. Why not be a plumber?? You can still help people and make money with half the responsibilities.
simon on 24 October 2008:
… Sarah palin scares me for lots of reasons. She is a hockey mom who has ceremonies to protect her from witchcraft, believes the earth is only six thousand years old, believes abortion is wrong in ANY circumstance including rape and incest.
And having seen her interviewed I think she is not at all equiped for such a demanding job. One that requires, diplomacy, inteligence, and mental subtlety.
As for the doctor thing… yes you have a point… although things are changing with goverment targets etc. You can always treat people privately as well… or only treat people privately if you like.
the idea of the national health service is that people should be given free heathcare at the point of delivery. And i agree no system is perfect, the healthservice has always been under funded, and is groaning under the patient numbers. It’s not perfect by any means, but the idea of free healthcare may sound a bit socialist and all that, but it is something in many ways i think we should feel proud of (god knows we need something!)
jennyjen on 24 October 2008:
Simon, I can’t help but like Palin. I do disagree with her on abortion, I am pro-choice to an extent, don’t use it as birth control and no abortion after the 4th month of pregnancy- it’s your baby, take care of it or give it to someone who can. She has been mayor and governor, that’s more executive experience than Obama and Biden have combined. Diplomacy is something we have too much of. The Democrats are all about diplomacy and we need someone ready to crack a whip not talk about the various ways a whip can be cracked. Obama is the democrats puppet-his strings are illuminated by the teleprompter, look close and you’ll see them too.
In regards to the health care, I do various types of work for my boss, he sells life and health insurance on top of owning 50+ rental properties. There’s a product sold by one of the companies he represents that pays out upon diagnosis of 13 Critical Illnesses. Canadians own more of these policies than Americans. Why? So they can get thier $100,000 and come to the states to get treated instead of waiting in line to get treatment in Canada. National health care is great if you got the sniffles but if you need real treatment, your screwed.
The privatization of health care in the US has really screwed those who need it and can’t afford it. The government programs pay very little so many private hospitals will not accept Medicare/Medicaid patients. It’s not perfect but I’m glad Im here.
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