Ex-Muslim Tells the Pope That Islam is a Religion of war

October 29, 2008by Chris on · Comments

Magdi Allam the Egyptian born ex-Muslim who the Pope had sensationally converted to Christianity on national TV last Easter, has come out against one of the Pope’s Cardinals, who has said that Islam is a religion of peace and that some Muslims have betrayed Islam. Mr. Allam has said that terrorism is breed from Islam and the actions of Mohammad . I say that we take the word of the ex-Muslim over the either politically correct or ignorant Cardinal.

Muslim convert to Catholicism tells Pope Islam is not inherently good

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) — The Muslim-born journalist baptized by Pope Benedict XVI at Easter asked the pope to tell his top aide for relations with Muslims that Islam is not an intrinsically good religion and that Islamic terrorism is not the result of a minority gone astray.

As the Vatican was preparing to host the first meeting of the Catholic-Muslim Forum Nov. 4-6, Magdi Allam, a longtime critic of the Muslim faith of his parents, issued an open letter to Pope Benedict that included criticism of Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue.

In the letter, posted on his Web site Oct. 20, Allam said he wanted to tell the Pope of his concern for “the serious religious and ethical straying that has infiltrated and spread within the heart of the church.”

He told the Pope that it “is vital for the common good of the Catholic Church, the general interest of Christianity and of Western civilization itself” that the Pope make a pronouncement in “a clear and binding way” on the question of whether Islam is a valid religion.

The Catholic Church’s dialogue with Islam is based on the Second Vatican Council’s Declaration on the Relationship of the Church to Non-Christian Religions (”Nostra Aetate”), which urged esteem for Muslims because “they adore the one God,” strive to follow his will, recognize Jesus as a prophet, honor his mother, Mary, “value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.”

The council called on Catholics and Muslims “to work sincerely for mutual understanding” and for social justice, moral values, peace and freedom.

Allam told Pope Benedict he specifically objected to Cardinal Tauran telling a conference in August that Islam itself promotes peace but that “’some believers’ have ‘betrayed their faith,’” using it as a pretext for violence.

“The objective reality, I tell you with all sincerity and animated by a constructive intent, is exactly the opposite of what Cardinal Tauran imagines,” Allam told the pope. “Islamic extremism and terrorism are the mature fruit” of following “the sayings of the Quran and the thought and action of Mohammed.”

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  • Joan
    Not really a Religion of Peace  then is it ?
    Ex Muslims give us a very important insight into the real workings and thoughts of Islam.
    Cracks in the cover up begin to appear and we see it for what it is, and the danger it really is to us all.

    Joan
  • It's only logical that since mohammed himself was a terrorist, why is it such a shock to some, that Muslims would become terrorists ?
  • jennyjen
    They can call it a religion of peace all they want but if you look at the actions of Islam that statement couldn't be further from the truth. Peaceful people don't behead other people or bury them up to their neck and stone them to death and that's just what I've read about it today!
  • Chris
    Islam is all about deception.
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    <div>The Messenger and his Companions continued in the fear and distress that Allah has described in the Qur'an. Then Nu'aym came to the Prophet. 'I 've become a Muslim, but my tribe does not know of my Islam; so command me whatever you will.' Muhammad said, 'Make them abandon each other if you can so that they will leave us; for war is deception." - Tabari 8:23
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  • akhter
    Before you diss Islam, know your Christianity first… And quit generalizing, too.
     
    While chatting with a friend the other day, we found ourselves on the topic of religion. This particular friend is getting a tattoo of the word in Islam for “infidel” in a few weeks. When I asked him why he would do this (he’s Christian), he told me that he was doing it as a mockery of the faith. He spoke of Islam as a violent religion, out to massacre and kill, pillage and rape. He cited this passage from the Quran: “Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate” (Quran 9:73) “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan” (Quran 4:76), and of course, he referenced suicide bombings.
     
     
     
     
     
    This logic no longer surprises me, but it does continue to agitate me. The direct correlation between Islam and September 11, the assertions that all Muslims are America-haters and Christian-killers, that the religion teaches them to either convert non-believers or exterminate them… all of this I’ve heard time and time again, and all of it I roll my eyes at. The overt hypocrisy, the vast generalizations, and the sheer idiocy of these remarks are so easy to see, yet even easier to overlook.
     
     
     
     
     
    The Christian Bible’s Old Testament repeatedly calls on those of faith to either convert or kill non-believers. For example, Deuteronomy 17 states, “17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.”
     
     
     
    Why can we point out passages in the Quran that call for extermination of infidels while we continue to ignore the very passages in the CHRISTIAN BIBLE that promote the exact same actions? What makes our “peaceful” Christian religion justified in its writings urging murder yet labels Islam a violent faith?
     
     
     
    After reaching this point in the argument, I am usually reminded of the events of September 11; I’m told that terrorists bombed the World Trade Center in the name of their faith, and thus, any faith that promotes such a thing must surely be a hostile one. I’d like to direct anyone who chooses to utilize this argument back to the actions of our peaceful Christian brothers and sisters. Think of the Christians who have blown up abortion clinics or attacked doctors and nurses who work there in the name of Christianity. Is this not a similar concept? European countries in the 16 and 1700s colonized and enslaved the people of Africa and Asia in the name of Christianity, in the name of saving the savage people from their filthy sin filled lives. Their land and resources were exploited and their human dignity ravaged all disguised under a veil of Christianity’s greater good, of a mission to bring the Christian faith to those who were too stupid and too uncivilized to know it.
     
     
     
    But no, it is the Muslims who are violent.
     
     
     
    The men who bombed the World Trade Center were not Muslims at all. The faith strictly forbids alcohol consumption, loose sexual values, and gambling, yet the terrorists of 911 drank heavily, utilized the service of prostitutes, and visited casinos all the night before their act of terrorism was to be executed. Wouldn’t it seem that men who are thought to be killing American lives all in the name of Islam would be interested in rigidly following the basic rules of their faith?
     
     
     
    “Oh yes, well the Quran states that those who die for their faith will be rewarded greatly in heaven.” I would like to guide you toward Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount for a response to this argument. “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake/ Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (Matthew 5:11-12). We honor martyrs and pray to saints, many of whom have died in the name of their Christian faith. We immortalize those who have died for the sake of Christianity… Sound familiar?
     
     
     
    Of course, at this point I must add a disclaimer, although I know that there will still be someone who chooses to point this out: I am in no way saying that Islam is never used by evil people as a shield for evil deeds. However, we have to remember to separate the religion from the people. By this I mean, while the faith itself may say one this, someone else may interpret it to mean something else, something violent and hostile, and may act on it. This does not mean that that is what all Muslims believe!
     
     
     
    Again, to Christianity… Some Christians believe that only through baptism can one be saved. Even if one has never heard of Jesus Christ, because that person has not been baptized and does not accept Christ as his or her savior (again, not by choice but because the belief in Christ has never been made known to that person), that person will go to hell. Not all Christians believe this. Not all Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin; not all Christians believe that the death penalty is bad; not all Christians believe evolution is real; not all Christians choose to wait to have sex until after marriage. This means that Christianity, like Islam, is not a uniform belief. Some people believe and do one thing while some people believe and do another. It is not just to generalize a whole people, an ENTIRE FAITH on the actions of the few or with regards to the events that we see on the news. It’s not fair, and it’s not right.
     
     
     
    I really am becoming more and more disgusted with the hatred and bigotry toward Islam. Yes, there are bad Muslims out there, and Christians and Jews, and Hindus and atheists. We have to stop judging and entire faith on our shallow predispositions and skin-deep generalizations. We have to let go of our contempt and judgmental attitudes and stop being so childish and inane.
     
     
     
    More senseless idealism and bleeding-heart liberalism from an untainted nineteen year old youth.
    “We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.”
    MLK Jr.
     
     
     
    Perhaps it’s not too late…
     
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    4 Responses to “Before you diss Islam, know your Christianity first… And quit generalizing, too.”
  • CM
    Keep is short, akhter. Nobody's going to real all that.
  • jennyjen
    Akhter, What the hell? You're comparing old Christianity to current Islam, been there done that got the t-shirt, sold it at a yard sale. So-called Christians that bomb abortion clinics are tried and punished in the judicial system. The guys who beheaded the Somalian Christian while chanting Allahu Akbar or whatever are still running loose and are heroes in the eyes of a few. Christianity answers to the law of the land, Islam does whatever it wants and cries when scolded.
  • Joan
    who in their right mind is going to be bothered reading all that. Excuses is all we see and read.
    Excuses to Justify and apologise for Evil Terrorists, no excuses, no apologising, no justifying the impossible, just go home to where you all belong and live how you please.

    Joan
  • Chris
    Akhter,
    <div>  The issue is Islam and you will not take the focus off of it. No ones cares what Christians did hundreds of years ago and yes Islam breeds terrorism as Mohammad himself was a terrorist and 911 was not the only attack by Muslims. There have been recent ones in China, India and Thailand. So save your excuses.</div>
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    <div>I am becoming more and more disgusted with Muslims who continually tell non-Muslims what to do and say. I am also tired of Muslims who want non-Muslims to shut up about Islam, but do not go to the Middle East and tell the Imams there that they have gotten Islam all wrong. We will continue to speak out.</div>
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    <div>When Islam writes a new Koran let me know and I am not religious anyway.</div>
  • Chris
    Also violence is not the only problem Islam brings to non-Muslims. People are fed up with political Islam as well. Keep your religion to yourself.
  • Robert B.
    "Not really a Religion of Peace  then is it ? - Joan"

    No, Joan, it is more like a cult of death. I lived and worked several years in the middle-east, pre-and-post 9/11. I was under a lot of pressure to convert to islam in Saudi Arabia ('there is no compulsion in islam"). Needless to say, I kept my (pardon the pun) head, and stayed out of religious discussions.

    I did meet a few, very few, Christians in Egypt, and really felt for them. They live in a lot of fear from their own countrymen. Maybe in a couple of thousand years, islam won't be a violent religion/political movement. Some archaeologist digging through the archives here may find some amusement. But if islam does run its full course, there will be no wise men and women left here.
  • Chris
    Robert I know some Coptics that lived  in Egypt for decades. They finally escaped and moved to the US. They lived a life of fear and harassment.
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    <div>I have some videos from Egypt that show the persecution of the Christians there. If anyone wants to see them, just let me know.</div>
  • Some of the most vehement opponents of Islam are ex-Muslims.

    Now such people are stopped from criticising Islam by draconian laws designed to stifle free speech.
  • Kal_El
    I see people like Akhter posting on faithfreedom and islam-watch, pasting long drivel hoping to distract people from what the real problem TODAY is, islam. We talk about suicide bombings here because they ALWAYS HAPPEN, and funny thing about that, IT IS ALWAYS A MUSLIM doing it.
    I have yet to hear of a Christian, a Buddhist, a Jew, an Atheist, a Mormon, a Deist, a Wiccan etc... strapping a bomb to himself (or to a little kid, like muslims do) and blowing up a bunch of unsuspecting people shopping for groceries. But EVERY DAY I see somewhere that a muslim has done something heinous like that, or driven a carnbomb into a checkpoint, or killed his daughter/sister/mother for family honor. Silly muslim, your taqqiya is not strong.
  • Chris
    Akhter,
       I will tell you this once. You will not take the subject off of the OP.
  • Akhter,
    You are correct. This is why I joined Islam, then moved to Indonesia. My bride of 9 years old is one hot piece of arse. I'm 53 by the way. Nothing turns me on more than that 9 year old babe of mine.....

    YOU BACKWARDS SAVAGE. You follow a pedophile, slave owning  , murderer.

    R.O.P.M.A.
  • Joan
    It does occur to me that we need a surge of good old fashiod Christianity and Church values to maybe defeat Islam. A return to Church of whatever we were brought up as. I for one would be willing to return to a proper Religion than the alternative of Islam
    This would show strength and keep the menace of Islam out.
    Communities in the not so distant past enjoyed their own community and were untouchable, just as the Amish are today. Not much chance of Islam getting in there. Were Islam sees weaknes it will exploit..
    Unity is strength.




    Joan
  • Joan
    Also none of these stupid laws would affect us anymore, as we would be exempt from them on religious grounds so we would become like them in the Islam sector, untouchable.


    Joan
  • ljcarolyne
    I don't know Joan?  I went to a recent Christian values bake sale just down the road, and there wasn't anything there but half baked left overs.

    America needs to pray, then  God will hear and heal our land.  Get these Godless people out of here and stop electing them into office.  I am counting on that this Nov. 4th, and so are over 40,000 women/men on Team Sarah.
    It will work, nothing is too hard for the one true God, in Christ.  McCain/Palin 2008 and out with the rag rads, among other things.
  • Joan
    I pray too, that America gets the right president to guide it out of the darkness that is threatening posing as a religion.
    If I lived in America I would undoubtedly be in team Sarah.


    Joan
  • Chris
    Akhter,
    <div>  Do you know how to read? I said that you will not be taking the subject off of the OP. 

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  • Chris
    Akther posted a massive pro Islamic propaganda story which was pages long and is now gone. It said that ex-Muslims were fooling people about Aisha's age.
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    <div>Well here is a Saudi scholar on video explaining that Islam allows pedophilia.</div>
    <div>http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1798.htm
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  • Joan
    These Muslims who copy and paste the huge posts around the internet are just nutters. I have seen the same identical posts on my travels word for word. They must have a site they can get them off.
    The plain fact was the child was little more than a baby. End of.
    Islam allows pedophillia which to normal decent people is as repulsive as Islam itself is.
    I do not let myself get distracted now, I see the post and can tell from 2 lines what it is. Enemy propaganda is not permitted in time of war.


    Happy Halloween.


    Joan
  • GeorgeOfTheJungle
    This Akhter is practising the centuries-old islamic technique of "Taqqiya", which is lying and being deceptive to hide the truth and muddy the waters. His wandering blathering is therefore best ignored.
    The so-called prophet was a blood-thirsty, psychotically imbalanced, and primitive desert bedouin who started the worst death cult this world has known. he was also a sexually unbalanced predator who diddled a little grl of six and "consummated" his marriage to her when she was 9 years old, just a small child. How disgusting, how depraved and how brutal can one get. And muslims call him a prophet, and follow his maniacal teachings, which are nothing but insensible blather and blabber. Poor people, they should wake up and see what they are following.
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