Syria: Foreign minister accuses US of "terrorist aggression"

  So, we’re basically ignoring their complaints, right?  After all, they basically ignored OUR complaints didn’t they?  Turn about is fair play is it not?

Well lets put it in context Britain and the USA did attack Iraq in the first place. Based on the bogus weapons of mass destruction argument.

Everybody in the frickin’ world believed the ”bogus” WMD argument at the time.  OK, we got caught out and they mysteriously disappeared…..whatever.  Whether they exist, did exist and no longer exist, or was a total sham and they never existed, the frickin’ WORLD believed……go on youtube, it’s still there.  Politicos all claiming that Saddam had ‘em….even Clinton believed.  Shit! Amadinnerjacket believed….his soldiers were killed by the hundreds by poison gas, as were the Kurds.  The killing of the Kurds all over the NE of Iraq, driving thousands to Turkey was pretty good evidence.  There were movies made by Saddam proving how efficient those gas bombs were and how effective the strategy they had for laying the gas down were.  So stop!  That “bogus” argument is cheap crap, and that dog don’t hunt.  They had ‘em, the world knew it, we went after them expecting to find them, but they “disappeared”.  Think about this: Bush had the guts to get up in front of the world and say “We can’t find ‘em”.  Tell me everybody would do that. 

no tonto YOU believed it… AND Dick Chaney and Rumsfelt invented it. Hans Blick the weapons inspector said he didn’t think they were there 

The NY times reporter who said they didn’t exist had his wife outed as a cia opreative in the Scooter Libby affair.

 The scientist (David Kelly) who said the report had been “sexed up” was found dead in the woods

There were no weapons… there never were any weapons.  Iraq never had the weapons…. 

BUT it did have the second largest supply of high quality, close to the surface, oil outside Saudi Arabia.

The usa uses 25% of the whole worlds oil…. come on use your brain… join up the dots.

Bush lied… you were mugged. So were we.

Also the poison gassing was done decades ago… it was reported then and we did nothing…. and who was supplying our great ally (as he was then) saadam with all this military equipment eh?… answer US. He was our ally against Iran.

the reason he was hung immediately after being found guilty on the first charge of mass killing of rebels, was because if we had got to the third charge of gassing. He would have probably said “you knew about that years ago… you guys sold me the gas… here are the recipts”

No weapons, Big lies, Oil for America. Loads of people dead. Nice! 

… and anyway, china has wmd why not invade them? or russia?… or heres a good one North Korea… yeah go on… pick on someone who actually has the weapons. and watch your arse get kicked.

“Hear about the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium found in Iraq? No? Why should you? It doesn’t fit the media’s neat story line that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq posed no nuclear threat when we invaded in 2003. It’s a little known fact that, after invading Iraq in 2003, the U.S. found massive amounts of uranium yellowcake, the stuff that can be refined into nuclear weapons or nuclear fuel, at a facility in Tuwaitha outside of Baghdad… After all, much of the early opposition to the war in Iraq involved claims that President Bush “lied” about weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam posed little if any nuclear threat to the U.S. This more or less proves Saddam in 2003 had a program on hold for building WMD and that he planned to boot it up again soon…this should put to rest the canard peddled by the American left and by former Ambassador Joseph Wilson that “Bush lied” about Iraq seeking yellowcake from the African country of Niger. Given what we know, including comments by officials in Niger’s government, Iraq did make overtures to buy uranium. And it’s quite possible all or part of the 550 tons came from there.”
 
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=300323577877918
 

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein’s nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans. The removal of 550 metric tons of “yellowcake” — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam’s nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

…. So if what you say is true (and i have never heard that… it seems strange that the bush camp hasn’t mentioned it in every subsiquent adress… why is that?)

So saddam could have built weapons in the future…. Why aren’t you guys invading north korea… they have no democracy, they have a dictator, and they definitely have WMD. So under the Bush doctorine they should have been attacked years ago… why not… could it be they have no oil?

  Simon, are you stupid?  Didn’t I just tell you that Saddam had movies of it?  How about the public recognition he gave “Chemical Ali” the medals and promotion for his work on the Kurds with WMDs?….are you really that thick?  That was evidence in Saddam’s and Ali’s trials….and they were hanged for it.  Or are you telling me that nothing is the truth and Saddam was picked on and innocent and never harmed a hair on anybody’s head?  He never shot that old broad in public for yelling at him?  He never gassed the Iranis?  He never gassed the Kurds?……  Man, I’d love to see you tell a Kurd that!  Your ass would be severely kicked for sure!
  Why invade North Korea?  Their “Darling Leader” is killing them better than we could….by starvation.  Why get in the way of anyone killing themselves?
  Believe it or not, China does not pose a threat.  Figure it out.  Russia is finished, and will be a looooong time to straighten out and be really viable.
  simon, you keep proving that you are limited.  Sorry dude.

Simon: “Bush lied… you were mugged.”
 
No, Simon, you are repeating a lie.

“The famous “16 words” in President Bush’s Jan. 28, 2003 State of the Union address turn out to have a basis in fact after all, according to two recently released investigations in the US and Britain. Bush said then, “The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” Some of his critics called that a lie, but the new evidence shows Bush had reason to say what he did.”

http://www.factcheck.org/bushs_16_words_on_iraq_uranium.html
 

Hi Tonto,… lets take you post one point at a time

1 i may be stupid… it would be for others to decide

2 the chemical ali point… yes i agree and have said before Saddam was a lunatic dictator who caussed immense suffering- he was a monster… let’s be clear on that

3 yes he gassed kurds, Iranians, and shot old ladies… as I say he was a monster

4 North korea: your argument becomes self- contradictory at this point. You argue it was right to invade Iraq because Saddam was killing his own people (you mentioned kurds, picking on the innocent, shooting old ladies etc)

you then use the “killing his own people” as an argument NOT to invade Korea.
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“Why invade North Korea?  Their “Darling Leader” is killing them better than we could….by starvation.  Why get in the way of anyone killing themselves? ”

“killing them better than we could… by starvation”… well that is exactly what Saddam (and the west’s sanctions )were doing in Iraq… so by your own “why bother killing them when they are killing themselves” we should never have invaded Irqaq.

5 the original argument for the Iraq war was Saddam had WMB… (it turns out he did not)… the argument later shifted to he was  a nasty man, killed his own people, and Americans believe in spreading democracy

6 we definitely know North Korea Has wmd. Kim jomg Il is a very nasty man, he kills his own people…Amercans believe in spreading democracy and dissarming rogue states with WMD… so why are we not doing a “shock and awe” bombing of Soul ??

I can tell you the answer tonto. the reason we invaded iraq was because it had oil. All the stuff about WMD was a smokeskreen, it was an oil grab pure and simple.

If you have a look at a john mcain speech on you tube he actually says “with secure energy supplies for this country we will never again have to send out boys to fight abroad”

Sarah palin says exactly the same thing on a you tube broadcast.

They have finally addmitted it. American and British soldiers are not dying for democracy, or to make the world a safer place, they are fighting to get secure supplies of oil for America. We have all been conned.

 Saddam was a monster… sure the world is full of monsters (china, russia, north korea have just as bad a reputation for human rights as iraq had). 

after 9/11 invade afganistan… sure i’m with you on that…. lets fight the taliban who we so carefully trained and armed to fight the Russians. At least we will know their tactics and weapons… seeing as we gave them to them.

But iraq has been a disaster. It has radicalised a whole continent…. and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. and never had Wmd. And has cost a lot of American and British lives, and countless (no we don’t bother counting) iraqi lives.

simon,
I really only have one thing to say to you. It strikes me as strange to say the least, the attitude you have.
Iraq is a huge place to hide their mobile weapons that i feel sure they did and do still have.

You must surely be aware that we both are on this message board expressing our views so freely as a result of Allied forces , both past and present who are surviving and dying in the most horrendous conditions, to give us the right to freedom, a freedom that we would not have under Islam.
 
Iraq were using chemical weapons on the peasants in Fallujah long ago, we must assume they did advance in those years since.

Joan

Hi joan
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“Iraq is a huge place to hide their mobile weapons that i feel sure they did and do still have”

well you must be the only one that does think they have them…. they quite clearly don’t have them.

Iraq is about the size of France… the whole country is occupied, every Baath party leader rounded up, imprisoned or killed. Probably tortured… and yet no weapons found. Where are they?

Believe me the one thing George Bush would love to have  done with was find WMD.. he never did.. the combined might of the coalition has scoured the country desperately trying to justify the invasion… THEY HAVE FOUND NOTHING

maybe you think the american forces are so incompitent they haven’t noticed the muclear missile silo hidden in a sandcastle…. Well let’s hope they find the weapons soon… because this is getting embarassing.

In my opinion the only embarrassment is the attitude of the Liberal left communist, together with the Islamification of the UK

Joan

Simon,
I see you picked up on my comment re Iraq, but you remain embarrassingly silent on your gratitude to alled forces for your freedom, the freedom you are enjoying on this very message board, which no doubt you would not have the right under Islam.

Joan

… joan surely you must find it a bit wierd though that these weapons you believe in haven’t yet been found yet… what’s going on?..  it is beyond incompitence… nuclear missile silos can’t be that hard to find, paricularly as all of the officials have been captured and water-boarded. Where are they Joan.

And as for gratitude to the allied forces re the second world war. My grattitude is immense. My grandfather was one of the soldiers that landed in Normandy on D day, and my father was in the RAF fighting the japanese.

If it was not for them you are right i would not be here. I cannot over-state my grattitude to those brave men.

But quite what this has to do with Iraq i am not sure

what it has to do with Iraq is plain, as a member of the Liberal left are you not aware that our soldiers are unable to wear their uniforms on the street and have been advised not to, as they are attacked and spat at.
You fully support our soldiers then who are fighting in Iraq ?

storm rider… ok so we invaded Iraq because there was some evidence from briatiain that Saddam “sought” uranium.

so what?

the scooter libby affair showed this point had already been “spun”… So did the death of David Kelly.

Has this uraniaum saddam wanted ever been found?… You would have thought someone would have made a big deal of finding it….. oh sorry, of course, your sources say saddam only “sought” it….

Well we know North Korea actually HAS it… so why aren’t we bombing them?

To answer your question simon, i find it a bit weird that the silent majority of Britain are staying quiet while the obvious Islamification of OUR land rolls on

Joan

No joan i do not support the iraq war. Neither, I believe, do the majority of the public.

It is a sign of the unpopularity of the war that people react to uniforms like that. I am aware of it, and regret it. 

But the Iraq war was and is immensley unpupular, it was rightly seen as Bush’s war… nothing to do with justcie, all to do with oil.

Fortunately the British have pretty much withdrawn from Iraq. My only regret is that Tony Blair had his nose so far up George Bush’s arse that he blindly followed him in to such a disasterous and pointless war.

when they find these weapons of mass destruction you keep going on about then I might change my view, but seeing as they don’t exist, then I probably won’t. 

By the way Joan i agree with you that it is a bit weird that hat the silent majority of Britain are staying quiet while the obvious Islamification of OUR land rolls on.

But you still haven’t answered my question … don’t you find it strange that these wmd’s still haven’t been found after so long an occupation… why is that ?was Saddam a master of hiding things? (obviously not himself … but big missile things) or are we just incompitent?…. or maybe they don’t exist

So you see readers that is the situation with liberals in the UK, they are aware of how the soldiers are treated and regret it but…..it is a sign of the unpopularity of the war that people react to uniforms LIKE THAT. Slodiers are attacked and spat on and this is the reaction , i think it is with that i must rest the case.
 
No matter what you agree with or disagree with those soldiers are suffering and that is the reaction, while you defend murderous Muslims at gatherings doing Mslemey things according to you.As i keep saying all this, saying we really are OK with Islam, while slowly and silently the Islamification of the UK rolls on, with the intention of making the UK an Islamic state, to outnumber us and take our land from us.
The Liberal left seem to have it all sewn up, through the courts they proceed to force us to give yet more rights to Muslims, 1 million or thereabouts marching in an anti war demmo,but how many more stay silent i wonder, one day when Muslims commit an outrage that cannot be ignored the backlash will start
 
Joan

Simon,
I do believe that there are WMD but i feel that the time of 45 minutes never did as Muslims are not advanced enough to develop such.
It is obvious that Iran are trying to develop them, and it is not impossible for the Russian old weapons to be obtained, remember Khan in Pakistan ? A one stop shop for all it would seem.selling all to everyone at the price.
Your arguement of where are they then is really a kiddie statement.

Do you support our troops who are really sent and must obey orders or do you hold them responsible. They are after all in the job to defend us and our freedom, because the job at the moment is not to everyones liking does not make them less .

Joan

joan in the first bit you say you must rest your case… it’s not clear from your post what your case is. I am simply saying the war was and is unpopular. this is not really an opinion, more a fact. the size of the country wide demonstrations attests to that.

Just because soldiers are suffering, doesn’t make the cause right.

I have never defended “murderous” muslims. Show me where i have defended them?

The point about two or three muslims meeting together- obviously in a free society you can’t make people meeting together a criminal offence. They did it in Nazi Germany.But there is no legal mechanism in a free society to do that. 

joan, could you explain this sentence of yours to me as it doesn’t appear to make sense:

“I do believe that there are WMD but i feel that the time of 45 minutes never did as Muslims are not advanced enough to develop such.”

can i refer readers to Chris’s link to the undercover Mosque investigation regarding gatherings of a few 3 or so Muslims in private houses in London.

Oh and i do support our troops, but I do not support the cause they are fighting for… 

Simon,

At the time of the beginning of the Iraq war Tony Blair said there was WMD and they could be here in 45 minutes .
 
I believe there are WMD but that they could not get here in that time frame.As i do not think Muslims have that Hi Tech.
If you cannot follow that then i feel you are just trying to be funny, but not very clever.
 
Joan

… and the crime is … eh… saying nasty/stupid things… that’s not really a crime is it?

to arrest these people we would need a law… a new law… supporting terrorism is against the law, aiding terrorism is against the law.

But saying stupid things that other people disagree with, is not at the moment against the law… if it was you would already have been arrested
 

I thought incitement to kill, which was and is being preached is against the law. It was not nasty and stupid things it was hate preaching, those women should have been arrested, it was incitement to kill.

Joan.. ah ok .. thanks for clearing it up. So you think Iraq had weapons of mass destruction but not ones that could be fired in 45 minutes (so blair was lying).

so joan… you still haven’t answered the question… whrere are they? and why can’t we find them?

Chris I believe the real cause of the war with Iraq was securing oil supplies for america.

as was addmitted my john mcain and sarah palin in recently.

joan
yes i agree… she did seem to be inciting people to kill.. I agree with you… it’s a horrible business. And i was just wondering if we could do a private prosicution based on the evidience of that film.
… something sould definitely be done about these nutters

Simon,
I believe North Korea is one of our most dangerous totalitarian enemies, but we can’t wage war simultaneously on all of our enemies; that would put too great a burden on our military and our nation.

The reason Iraq was invaded in 2003, in addition to Saddam Hussein’s nuclear ambition, including 550 tons of yellowcake uranium; is because Iraq was part of the International anti-American Islamo-Fascist Alliance. Saddam Hussein was a terrorist of the first order; imagine that – the totalitarian leader of a captive nation who was himself a terrorist. Saddam Hussein waged war against his own people. Saddam Hussein had an abandoned airliner in the middle of the Iraqi desert where terrorists practiced airline hijackings. Saddam Hussein had his own personal Islamist terror group in Northern Iraq headed by none other than Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who formed his Iraqi terror group in the 1990′s; well before September 11, 2001.

Hi Storm
this islamo fascist alliance you talk about… who else was in it? Clearly not Iran, they were enemies of Iraq. Not Saudi Arabia (they are our allies for some reason I don’t understand) Not Osama bin Laden…. who was a Saudi. He despised Iraq because it was secular.

In what way was Saddam a terrorist? I find it hard to believe he had a terrorist group in Northern Iraq, as that is a Kurdish area. After the coalition created the northern no-fly zone, then Saddam had very little influence in the North of Iraq, and if he did have a personal Islamic terrorist group, what the hell were they doing in the north? Getting ready to attack Turkey possibly?

…. perhaps invading Iraq was a waste of time, we should have straight away started bombing Korea, after all they at least have these wmd’s

Simon,
I’ll send you my short essay on the Islamo-Fascist alliance in the next post. Saudi Arabia is part of this anti-American Alliance; and you’ll probably fall out of your chair, but I fault President Bush for not identifying Saudi Arabia as a totalitarian enemy of the United States.

Saddam Hussein was a terrorist because he was a mass-murder of both his own people and the people of surrounding nations. As I said, he had his own Islamist terror group in Northern Iraq, and he had facilities in the Iraqi desert for training airline hijackers. Saddam Hussein had totalitarian power and control of the entire nation of Iraq, including Northern Iraq. The no-fly zones were a joke, and that didn’t prevent Saddam Hussein’s secret police and military from total control in all of Iraq’s regions. I’d say that having an Islamist terror group is a pretty handy thing for a Fascist dictator; he can assassinate people and blow things up with plausible deniability – perfect setup – you’re an idiot if you can’t think like our evil enemies – grow up. Saddam Hussein also harbored many wanted Islamist Terrorists in Bagdad.

You’ve classified Saddam Hussein as a secularist, but I don’t buy it; he was a Muslim Fascist and he had many associations with Islamic terrorists. There is nothing which prohibits a Fascist from also being an Islamist. Saddam Hussein was the perfect embodiment of such as hybrid monster; and he was a metaphor for the International anti-American Islamo-Fascist Alliance.

There is an international alliance of Islamist Totalitarian Religious States, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia and the former Taliban Afghanistan; and Islamic Totalitarian Fascist States, such as Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan, Libya and possibly Indonesia; and International Islamist terror groups such as Al-Qaeda. The Islamist terror groups and nations are linked to the Islamic Fascist nations by the shared totalitarian nature of Islamic Sharia Law, which is practiced by the former openly, and by the latter in the background. This is the International Islamo-Fascist alliance, and we are engaged in World War IV. Wherever totalitarian Islamic Sharia Law rules, whether in an Islamist state or a Fascist state, we have the international enemy identified; and we are morally justified to wage war in defense of American life and liberty.

During World War II the United States was attacked at Pearl Harbor by Imperial Japan, which was a member of the Axis Alliance. Since Nazi Germany was part of that same alliance we were free to attack Germany before Japan or Italy because the alliance as a whole was the enemy. We ended up attacking German military forces in our first major engagement of World War II in spite of the fact that Germany did not attack the United States at Pearl Harbor; and we did so by invading Morocco where the French army and navy engaged us in sustained combat – go figure – but this is the nature of warfare between alliances of nations or groups. The totalitarian laws of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan during World War II correspond to the Totalitarian Sharia law of the Islamo-Fascist Alliance of today. Now, since Iraq was a member of the Islamo-Fascist Alliance, the United States was free to attack there after first engaging the more immediate threat of Taliban Afghanistan.

True, we are not at war with all of Islam; only the two-headed monster of mass-murdering Islamic terrorism and Totalitarian Islamic Sharia law and jurisprudence. Most ordinary Muslims are peace-loving, and it is immoral to hate all of them collectively; but it is equally immoral not to hate the murdering and totalitarian evil which so widely contaminates Islam. The situation today parallels that of Nazi Germany in the 1940’s. We were not at war with every ordinary German, but those ordinary Germans by and large supported the evil of Nazi Law, Nazi military force, and the Nazi S.S. and Gestapo. Most ordinary Germans during World War II were peace-loving, but they did not sufficiently stand up for peace or for human liberty; and the same can be said of ordinary Muslims today. It remains to be seen how ordinary Muslims will choose sides in World War IV. Will they side with their totalitarian clerics, terrorists and Sharia Law, or will they choose to defend the sacred rights of man: life, liberty and creative pursuit of happiness? Will ordinary Muslims choose totalitarian religious government or will they choose government which rules by consent of the governed? Ordinary Germans made the wrong choice in the last century, what about the ordinary Muslims of today? I believe the jury is still out.

September 11, 2001 was the main opening act between two alliances: the American-led Alliance of Liberty vs. the Islamo-Fascist Alliance of tyranny. This war is far from over; and it has the potential for much greater evil and destruction than World War II. It is time to beat our plowshares into swords and our pruning hooks into spears; and to loose the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword – just war in defense of sacred human life and human liberty.
 
You can read more about this analysis in:  ”World War IV, The Long Struggle Against Islamo-Fascism” by Norman Podhoretz
 
http://www.learnoutloud.com/Catalog/Religion-and-Spirituality/Islam/Norman-Podhoretz-World-War-IV/26682

simon,
I refer to your post above where you say to me
“but saying stupid things that people disagree with, is not at the moment against the law, if it was you would have already been arrested”

Is that your answer ?If somone says something you disagree with, you feel the need to use an old commie trick of trying to intimidate by making the other person feel stupid. Why would you feel the need to do that.
We obviously do not agree, in saying that you are wanting this great freedom for all, so log as that does not interfere with your opinions and stance,as much as i disagree with you i do not use those tactics.
You will never get anyone to see what you are arguing for with that attitude.
I personally think quite a bit about you but refrain from saying it, you however prove just how arrogant you
are in trying to force your opinion on others. If someone gets in your way then that is your answer, what you must learn is everyone is entitled to their opinion not just you.

Joan

simon, I refer to your comment above to me saying
“but saying stupid things that other people disagree with is not at the moment against the law…if it was you would have been arrested.”
I find that very arrogant, as it infers you disagree with me so how you will go about that is to make me feel small and use subliminal blackmail, or veiled intimidation to stop that situation.
I feel you have as much right to say your comments on here as i do, you on the other hand seem to feel differently.
The way forward is not to attempt to shut someone up in such a way, this only makes the situation worse.To dismiss what someone else has to say in such a fashion is totally unacceptable.

Joan

… calm down joan it was a joke… that’s why I put a big smiley on the end of it.

… we certainly disagree.. but i am not trying to intimidate you, i am not trying to make you feel stupid, I am not using subliminal blackmail (whatever that is) i am not trying to shut you up, and I do not use “commie tricks” (why are you accusing me of all that?)
… for goodness sake lighten up. IT WAS A JOKE

Simon,
Read this article written today by former Mayor of New York City, Ed Koch. Here’s the money quote, and it says exactly what I wrote in my little essay above: “In the case of Islamic terrorists, they are part of a worldwide conspiracy aimed at bringing the West to its knees.” Mayor Koch is referring to the International anti-American Islamo-Fascist Alliance. We are at war with an Alliance of Islamist Theocratic States and Terror Groups, and Islamic Fascist States. 

“Criminals are attempting to make an illegal buck or engage in random or premeditated acts of violence. Terrorists, on the other hand, are seeking to impose their will on government and affect its foreign policy. In the case of Islamic terrorists, they are part of a worldwide conspiracy aimed at bringing the West to its knees…Fanatical Islamists take as part of their religious obligation the forced conversion of the infidel. Christians and Jews who refuse to convert or pay tribute and recognize the superiority of Islam are to be killed… Our very lives and the survival of our civilization are at stake in the war against Islamic terrorism. ”

http://newsmax.com/insidecover/terror_liberties_court/2008/10/28/144992.html

Well simon, you should be getting an education, but you got to listen and learn.  Unfortunately, it seems facts can’t penetrate your preconceived notions. 1. Saddam did have WMDs.  Weaponized poison gas is a WMD.  (get it?) He demonstrated copiously that he had it.  Ergo, he had WMDs.  Atomic weapons are not the ONLY WMD.  Gas is considered the “Poor Man’s A-Bomb”.
2. Saddam had ties to terrorist organizations and was trying to strengthen them.  Al Qaeda was afraid of Saddam because he was erratic and they thought he would turn on them for the purpose of ripping them off and using them to leverage Saudi Arabia.  So things were tenuous between Saddam and Bin laden.
3.  Saudi Arabia thinks of the US as “servants”, and have said so in private.  Part of the reason the US invaded Iraq was at the request of Saudi to eliminate the threat of Saddam from the Middle East.
4. Iraq was invaded because the Saudis asked us to.  Iraq was nvaded because they had gas WMDs (and perhaps stuff to make “dirty bombs” and Bio weapons like anthrax) and were trying to sell them to terrorists.  Saddam needed the money….or at least, he thought so.  (it was PROVEN that he played with anthrax, and he did have a bunch of yellow cake that could have been weaponized into “dirty bombs”)
5. What McCain and Palin admitted to was that with oil independence we would not be at the “beck and call” of the Saudis and have to go fight for them to keep them happy.  The only reason we are so dependant on foreign oil is because Democrats and Libtards have blocked domestic exploration and drilling for the last 35+ years.  They have also blocked new refineries, atomic power plants and blocked funding for alternate energy research.  Too busy trying to build a welfare voter constituency.  They even blocked dams for hydroelectric power and coal plants, even though tech breakthroughs have mostly eliminated the toxic effluvia that they claim to fear so much.  They blocked one dam in Tennessee for 7 years over a one and 1/2 inch fishy they said was endangered (at a stall cost of 50 million), until it was proven that the little buggers were all over the place and not endangered at all.
6. We really don’t want to bomb Seoul.  That’s because it’s the capital of SOUTH Korea, who is our ally.  Bombing hell out of North Korea would piss off China, and China has promised to keep an eye on North Korea and prevent stupidities from “Dear Leader” from overflowing.  North Korea is also heavily infiltrated by South Korean spies, and they are keeping an eye on the little faggy psycho too.
7. We attacked Afghanistan because the were harboring Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda had a bunch of training camps there.  We did arm the Afghans, but didn’t train them.  They have been fighting somebody forever and didn’t need more that classes on how to shoot stingers.  Charlie Wilson (a US senator) armed them with stingers and the stingers kicked the Russian’s ass.  We kicked the shit out of them (Taliwackers) with no trouble.
8. China and Russia are not threat, except economically.  They’re pissing off business in the US, Japan, France and Germany because they would rather steal tech secrets than pay for them.  Israel really pisses off Russia because their security is to good for the Russians and they have MASTERED the art of designing computer chips.  The Israelis are the best in the world.
9. I think you’re in here “playing” and getting a free education for our trouble.  Your views certainly show ignorance and your “liberal bent” is demonstrably naive.  That’s what makes me wonder if you’re really that thick or just playing.  If you really are a liberal and don’t want to come off as stupid, you should research more and, at least, present a more believable argument rather than just “baiting”.