Congrats Obama, and God Speed

Well Danial Pipes already proved that he couldn't even pass the security test to be an FBI agent or even our mail man but people keep ignoring that.  And the birth certificate stuff is ignored now because a democratic judge threw it out of court.

April,
Maybe, that if he gets out of all this birth certificate stuff, was he entitled to run or not ?

Joan

Joan,
"It may be worth just keeping a section for the future to list what he does , and how if in any way that helps Muslims. Or how Muslims use it for their own gain.
Now the election is over the world is stuck with him unless he proves he really cannot manage."
I think he's going to prove he can't manage, but then look who we are stuck with, Biden who will prove he can't manage, then look who we get, Polosi!

I was talking to a lady in Wal-Mart today who was buying a 30-30 Remmington.  I told her to buy hell out of ammo now to avoid the sky-high taxes that were coming on guns and ammo.  Also told her to NEVER register the gun.  Registration was the first step in Australia's illegal confiscation.  Goes for all of y'all too. Oh yeah, the tough times are a-comin'!!!  The socialists are estatic right now about how they're gunna "fix" the USA.  It'll be a freakin' mess.

Ender,
You're just a ray of fuckin sunshine aren't you haha! I feel you, this ain't gonna be an easy 4 years. Hunker down, grab your guns and ammo and call your lawyer. It's survival mode now.
Storm, excellent Jefferson quotes, if only more leaders would adopt his views.

we would be lucky our taxes go up a point or two, try 10-20 points. then see where your hurting.  fed, state, local, utility, sales and gas tax will all go up, for everyone.

M Dub,
<div>  Violence is not the only problem that Islam brings to the world. Political Islam is even more dangerous to life as we know than potential suicide bombers.</div>

M Dub,
Who cares if you don't care what the founding fathers said. What they said is far more important than anything you will ever say.

Who cares what the founding fathers said?  I'm pretty sure we screwed up their vision of the political system a long time ago, and it was most certainly a joint effort between the Republicans and Democrats.

Obama won, the world is not going to end, Muslims are not going to come into your home and slit your throats, and you aren't going to be poverty stricken even if your taxes go up another percentage point or two.  The current design of the political system is in place to make sure one party doesn't have complete control all the time.  If Obama makes things that much "worse," them he will be voted out in four years.

April,


It may be worth just keeping a section for the future to list what he does , and how if in any way that helps Muslims. Or how Muslims use it for their own gain.
Now the election is over the world is stuck with him unless he proves he really cannot manage.




Joan

.. I'll drink to that :)

Who doesn’t sometimes fail to practice what he/she preaches? The important thing for us is to recognize that Thomas Jefferson and our other Founding Fathers were right when they wrote in the Declaration of Independence that "all men are created equal."

Thomas Jefferson knew slavery was wrong, and he began freeing his slaves before he died; and he worked to end the slave trade as well. The issue of slavery had to be left to the next generation of Americans because solving the issue in 1776 would have prevented ratification of the Constitution; and the Constitution had to be ratified for us to defeat the British Empire and become a nation whose main goal was human liberty.
“The assertion that "all men are created equal" was of no practical use in effecting our separation from Great Britain and it was placed in the Declaration not for that, but for future use.”  Abraham Lincoln
Abraham Lincoln understood that the Declaration of Independence is the highest law of the United States - It trumped the 3/5 law of the Constitution.

... well if Jefferson said : We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,


then the least we can say about him (as a slave owner) was he was a hypocrit and didn't practice what he preached.

It would be nice if we didn't have to see any more Obama posts here but I'm afraid you may still be posting about him as he and the p.c.  Democrats,  inch by inch open the door for Muslims to take over America...

yes Jefferson had slaves, he bought them from obamas great great great grandfather.
Since slavery at the time wasn't illeagal, trying to throw that wrench in the mix is a waste of time.  there are lots of things that used to be acceptable and civilization has moved on. 
except of course the 7th century muslims. (imagine if the Amish started up with that kind of attitude).  especially since there is still slavery today in Africa and the middle east, not in America (except when some rich muslims are caught here with them).

i'm sorry... graham... you're "scarred?" really? you're going to hang on to that gun? really? what? worried the "lazy" people who don't take the time to learn to spell (or perhaps proof their opinions) are going to rise up against you? seriously.

But didn't Thomas Jefferson keep slaves as well?

Socialism (Marxism) is like a giant authoritarian (or totalitarian) Robin Hood; taking from the industrious and creative classes and redistributing to the non-industrious and non-creative classes. It takes authoritarian or totalitarian state power to force Socialism on an otherwise free people.

Simon is right on one point, but he didn't clarify; we have a moral obligation to the disabled who are poor, but not to the able-bodied poor. Socialism is a vast conspiracy between the elite minority Socialist ruling class alongside the non-elite minority recipient class. The Socialist scheme represents unjust government power - power which does not derive from the informed consent of the governed - it is minority rule over the majority. Socialism is the nanny state which will in time become the tyrant state. Socialism is a velvet glove concealing an iron fist.
 
Our founding fathers rejected the injustice and tyranny of Rightist Monarchy, and they anticipated the injustice and tyranny of Leftist Socialism - read the Declaration of Independence.
 
“Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.”  Thomas Jefferson
 
“I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.”   Thomas Jefferson
 
“Most bad government has grown out of too much government.”   Thomas Jefferson
 
“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”   Thomas Jefferson
 
“The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.”   Thomas Jefferson
 
“I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious.”   Thomas Jefferson

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”  Thomas Jefferson
 
“The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind.”  Thomas Jefferson
 
“That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.”  Thomas Jefferson
 
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”   Thomas Jefferson
 
“Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.”   Thomas Jefferson
 
“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”  Thomas Jefferson
 
"The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite."    Thomas Jefferson
 
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.  That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,  That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”   Thomas Jefferson

no not at all, far from it

All the immigrants who are flooding the UK to live off of welfare and free housing with no intention of working....are those the less fortuanate that you are talking about?

OK, but the fact remains that lazy take advantage of socialistic policies.
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... me neither I was being ironic.
 I was just pointing out that a lot of the people in a society that need help are not simply "lazy".


I think the mark of a civilised society is how it takes care of those who are less fortunate.

Simon, 
<div>  I do not agree with your ex-servicemen view at all.</div>

Don't worry I'm scarred too. I will be clutching my gun though.

a very high proportion of homeless people in London are ex service people... who can't cope after years of active service. I agree with you chris... let the bastards starve.. I don't want any of my money going to help anyone period.

That's nice Martain but not all of us want to pay for the lazy to live.

Greg,

I don't mind my taxes going up (which I know they will under Obama) - As long as I know our currency won't continue to devaluate as it has been doing under Bush's regime. This is where we are all indirectly taxed whether we like it or not. All in all, I'll be better off, and so will you (I take it you don't pay any taxes anyway - so you'll probably just end up benefitting more than I do - maybe you'll even get a job now).

Regards,

The SOB.

My God,
<div>  What horrible people.</div>

when the labour came to power in 1997 they did bring disabled people by bus and taxi to vote for them, which they did.when he got into power after 10 days of being elected he stood up and told those same disabled people that the benefits system used by them, called the Disabled Living Allowance was the most abused in the country and was being targetted by the goverment with immediate effect.
That benefit had been brought in by the conservative government in the 70's to help those people buy equipment such as wheelchairs etc, previously in the UK that equipment had to be got through the hospital system called an occupational therapist, that ban on the public was lifted called deregulation and disabled people were given a certain amount of money each month to save up and but their own.
Now after 10 days in office labour told those people it was being tightened up and if they had multiple sclerosis and could not work, that was fair enough, but they could still be of some use, they could answer the phone until they died.
These were the people he bused and taxied in to vote him in. Many had their benefit stopped as they were assessed as being able to answer the phone.

That is one example



Joan

Boy, oh boy. That Martin is one dumb S.O.B....You watch martin........Things will get MUCH worse....Especially your taxes.

Joan,
<div>  What do you mean that they were forced to answer the phone?</div>
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<div>People think that liberals are for freedom but their actions clearly show the opposite. They are all about control.</div>

Socialist policies are not for the ordinary person. Tony Blair came to power on a magic carpet in 1997, by 2000 the ordinary and middle classes did not know were to turn, could not pay their mortgage and their houses were taken back without mercy, the ill and disabled made to work with ludicrous policies forcing the termanally ill to answer the phone while waiting to die. Or their benefits stopped.
The liberal left taking legal action against no more than babies for making a comment which was considered racist and in general the ordinary person being silenced and gagged with law after law which has us silent.
The list would be too long to write and i don't feel you are ready to hear it yet.
You can ask Chris as to my warnings this day and i feel sure he will say it has not been in a party mood.

Joan

Infidelesto,
<div>  All we have to do is talk to Joan to hear how bad socialistic policies are.</div>

Martin,
Trust me, now that our governemnt has officially put on the leftist goggles, and a near filibuster proof congress to go with it, it can and will get a lot worse.  You haven't seen nothin yet.  America will look a lot like western Europe in 4 years.  Socialism is as close as it's ever been in our nation's history, and the Dems now have their turn to carry it out and there's nothing we can do about it.

I believe that the people have wanted a king just as the Israelites wanted a king and got Saul.  We as Christians have lost our way and have been doing church instead of being the church. We got all excited as the election cycle progressed and then the prayer started going up. It is a lifestyle that should be the norm, not the cyclical exception. The tendancy will be to curse the ungodly left wing and the radical man who is now president. We are called to pray for our leaders....good or bad. Our prayers can change things.  My prayer is that God will do whatever it takes in Obama's life to make him what he claims he is.

America is going into captivity,  we have been given what God thinks we need. What we do in that captivity will determine how long it lasts and how severe it is. Will we complain and curse our enemies? Will we humble ourselves in the sight of the Lord and pray fervantly for those in power? The choice is ours.

On an aside note, we are actually thinking of buying property in Costa Rica or someplace like that where we can actually afford to live on our retirement, and where they don't tax your brains out. We can pray from anywhere!

God have mercy on our nation!

The country has already been run into the ground by George W. Bush - It can only get better.
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