Addressing the "you hate all Muslims" lie

by Infidelesto on November 8, 2008 · View Comments

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It’s funny that a lot of times when I meet someone new and begin to tell them a little about myself, a lot of times it will come up that I’m a blogger and they’ll say “oh, what’s your blog?“.  It got me thinking because what I normally do is say “It’s an anti-Jihad, anti-terrorism blog called Infidels Are Cool”.

But what if I didn’t approach it this way and were to say instead, “It’s an anti-Islam site”.

Of course,  one could perfectly make that argument since we seek to reveal the honest truth about Islamic doctrine, the life of Mohammed and the political agenda of Islamic Law that seeks to spread itself throughout the world, many times using Islam in the news to reveal itself.  We bring the news stories to you, and you decide.  A lot of times it will be words from a Muslim Cleric or Imam himself, or text from Islamic documents like the Hadith or Koran.

But what does the average individual think about when they first hear “It’s an anti-Islam site“.  Of course, before they read anything on the site,  the knee jerk reaction is to think,  “Well I’m sure there’s a lot of Muslim hatred there“, or “I’m sure it’s full of Muslim hate

Nothing could be further from the truth.

When someone tries to come forward with information about a particular subject, in this case the religion of Islam, why is that person presumed to “hate all Muslims” which so many people accuse me and others on this site of being?  In many cases, it is teachings from Muslims themselves or words and actions from Muslims themselves who make it easy for us.  All we do is bring their words, actions and teachings to our audience.  Trust me, if the content weren’t in such abundance, this blog wouldn’t exist.

Why are we called religious bigots or racists? What’s the point? The reality is that people cannot handle criticism of ones religious or political beliefs.  They must discredit, defame or insult rather than addressing the true issues at hand.  This even goes for soft-Christians or liberal Jews who’ve never touched the controversial subject of Islam due to their indoctrination of multiculturalism. This is also why so many so-called “moderate Muslims” who come on this site criticize us for exposing what they are saying, teaching and doing around the world, rather thank joining us in the fight.

It doesn’t mean that we think ALL Muslims are like this.  Of course there are good Muslims around the world.  No one is disputing that.  And of course we do not “hate all Muslims”.  Anyone looking honestly at what we do would understand this. I can’t tell you how refreshing it would be to have a good Muslim, who cares about the issues of radical and political Islam, to come on this site and join us instead of hate us.

Robert Spencer at JihadWatch also experiences this on a daily basis.  He is in even deeper than any of us on this subject, and I’m sure he gets it all the time.  Just today he addresses the issue again:

If you speak honestly and accurately about the Islamic jihad doctrine and the Islamic supremacist agenda, and even confine your case entirely to quotes from authoritative Islamic sources and spokesmen, you will still be accused of “hating Muslims.” This is the constant refrain of apologists for jihad and their useful idiots in the West — and they constantly have recourse to it because they know that it is effective: it turns the Left and much of the squishy Right away from the message of the “hater,” regardless of how outlandish and unjust the charge is.

Myself, I don’t hate Muslims. I love Muslims. Telling the truth is not an act of hate. I am not “Islamophobic,” I am Islamorealistic. I tell the truth about Islam and work to defend Western civilization and society from the encroachments of a legal and societal system that oppresses Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Here at IAC, we never receive support from a “moderate Muslim” thanking us for helping THEM root out the evil within their own.  It’s always attacks and vitriolic hatred towards us saying that we are “misrepresenting” Islam and that we are ignorant for reporting actions, words and teachings from within their own.  The reality is that ALL moderate Muslims should be THANKING us for doing the job THEY should be doing.

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  • Storm-Rider

    If Islam were just a religion there would be no problem, and no need for IAC, Jihad Watch, and other anti-Jihad sites. Although I don’t adhere to the theology of Islam, the purely religious aspects of Islam are OK with me, because our Constitution says that we all have freedom of religion. 

    Unfortunately Islam is more than just a religion; it is also a tyrannical and totalitarian system of politics, law (Sharia) and government; and as such Political Islam is the enemy of our God-given human rights to life, liberty and creative pursuit of happiness. Political Islam is the enemy of our Constitution, and must not be tolerated. Islam is also contaminated by the evil of mass-murdering Jihad.

    I hate the evil of Islamic Sharia Law and Islamic Jihad. Jesus said love your enemy, but in Proverbs we are instructed to hate evil. So, we hate the evil within our totalitarian, mass-murdering enemies; and we wage just war against them; but we pray for their souls.

  • simon

    good point

  • CM

    There are times when this blog does seem to be hateful and prejudiced. I haven’t been here in a while so I don’t remember the exact content, but one thing that stood out was an article posted about a (senegalese?) man who brutally slaughtered a neighbor in a jealous rage, with some commentary like “oh, guess what religion he is”. It struck me as completely petty and stupid, as if its only point was to somehow “prove” that Muslims are a barbaric, sub-human species. The article mentioned nothing about the man committing murder in the name of Islam, did nothing to further inform me about the problem of fatwas against blasphemy and apostasy and Western culture. THESE are the real problems we should be focusing on. I didn’t come to this blog to simply read stories featuring “Muslims behaving badly”, peppered with slurs like “camel-fucker” and “towel-head”. It’s just stupid and off-putting.

    If you want to have people outside of this blog take you seriously, you should stick to articles that feature people *actually using the Islamic code, Islamic loyalty, or direct quotations from the Qur’an* to justify violent or disturbing acts. Otherwise, I truly don’t see this blog becoming a movement anytime soon.

  • http://www.mosquewatch.blogspot.com Jeff

    Truth is not hatred. I’ll be the first to admit it, I get fired up. What bothers me is that while our enemies have a passion and a desire to destroy us, we lack that passsion to save us. It’s not about hating all Muslims, it’s telling the truth about islam. Last week I recieved an email from a Muslim actually thanking me against jihadists. We still have some major differences on Islam, but believe me it was one of the best emails I have ever recieved.  All this being texted, I stand against islam. I do not like it, nor do I respect it. That is my right as an American and a human. If that opinion offends anyone, well as Rhett Butler said it,
    Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.
    No peace , without Freedom.

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Philip Saenz

    It is the so-called moderate Muslims who misrepresent the doctrin of Islam.  The so-called moderate Islamist will lie and tell you that the doctrine of Islam is “a good doctrine.”  Of course this type of Muslim is practicing his evil doctrine when he lies.  The Muslim Taqiyya teaches that Islamists may lie if it enhances their Muslim religion.

    Here are more evil passages from The Muslim War Manual, the evil Qur’an and other Muslim histortorical documents: “If someone stops believing in Allah, kill him,”(al-Bukhari, 9:84:57).
    Aisha, Muhammad’s almost infant wife, complained that “Muhammad’s followers made women like dogs and asses,” (Sahih Muslim, 4.1039).
    “A [Muslim] prayer is annulled by a passing woman, a dog and a monkey…”(Sahih Bukhari, 1.9.490, 493).
    “An ass, a woman and a black dog annuls a prayer,”(Sunaan Nasai, 1.753).
    “A menstruating woman and a dog annuls a [Muslim] prayer….’ (Sunaan Nasai, 1.753).
    “Either a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian and a woman cuts off a [Muslim] prayer….” (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 2. 0704).
    “Women, slaves and camels are the same, must seek Allah’s refuge from all these…” (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 11.2155).
    “Beat your wives if they commit sinful acts; women are captives of their husbands…” (Sunaan ibn Majah, 3.1851).
    “The disbelievers are the firewood of hell,” (Qur’an: Sura 12 Verse 15).

    There are many, many more passages in Muslim historical documents that relegate women to second or worse place status.  Do you see why authentic Muslims relegate their women to second or worse place status?  The Muslim macho always has more rights than the women despite the fact that these machos are flesh of their mothers’ flesh.  If so-called Muslims don’t agree with the Muslim doctrine, then these people are not authentic Muslims.  They are simply good people who mistakenly call themselves Muslim.
    Dear nice Muslims, as people are learning more and more the authentic doctrine of Islam, you are becoming a pariah when you say you’re a Muslim.  If I were you, if you are nice, it would be better if you said, “I’m trying to be nice to everyone,”  or maybe: “I try to treat everyone justly to the best of my ability.” Thank you.

  • Storm-Rider

    CM,

    You see some of the dots, but you’re not connecting them in a way that corresponds to reality. Of course Muslims are not barbaric or sub-human as a matter of genetic inheritance; but their Muslim Religion is contaminated by barbaric and sub-human politics, law, government and violent jihad.

    All men are created equal (equal before God and the law), but not all cultures equal; and Muslim culture is contaminated by the evils of totalitarianism, coercion, violence and murder. If you become a student of history you will discover that this has been true of Islam since its beginnings; and you will realize that today’s goal of Political Islam is world domination – world domination through coercion, violence, murder; and totalitarian government. The goal of Islamic Terrorism is Islamic Sharia Law and Government – government which is destructive of our Divine Natural Rights to Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.
     

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    CM,
    I have never used the words “camel-fucker” or “towel-head” on this site.  Could it have been said within the comments? maybe, but comments do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of this blog.  Read the disclaimer.  I don’t have time to police every single word said in the comments.

    When we say “guess what religion he is”, is simply pointing out that 99% of the brutality around the world that we hear in the news comes from some kind of Islamic background.  It’s easy for us to bring the news of Islamic barbarism because there is so much of it.  Of course, if you take what I just said and assumed I think ALL Muslims are like this, then you completely missed the point of the article.

  • simon

    CM.. i agree with you. We have a problem with islamic ideology. and that’s what needs confronting.. we need to stick to the facts

  • http://alwaysonwatch2.blogspot.com/ Always On Watch

    “Hate the sin but not the sinner” has no place in Islam itself, so we who criticize shari’a law are perceived to hate all Moslems.

    On top of that, Moslems are into the mindset of victimology.

  • simon

    … well i think the alien concept to us these day is the Umma…. The closest western civilization has come up with is Chrisendom. Which was quite a powerful idea, and often convenient political tool, in the middle ages.
    But the idea of all moslems being liked up, coupled with a firm belief it’s good to die is worrying.

    The Bali bombers have just been executed. In the courtroom scenes, they were delighted to be sentenced to death.

    Now lots of protests at their death sentence. threats of violence…. For people that launched bomb attacks in cafes!

  • Chris

    The bottom line is that “moderate” Muslims are barely even trying to take control and “moderate” Islam is not coming to the rescue. When need to keep on educating those that are new to the subject and then have a massive call for an end to Muslim immigration and Mosque construction.

  • simon

    …. I completely agree with you Chris (at least on this!)

  • Chris

    lol! Thats cool mate.

  • Tonto (USA)

    I figure there’s 4 kinds of muz.  1. Lunatic, foam at the mouth jihadi.  2. Supporters of Lunatic, foam at the mouth jihadi (either overt or subrosa) 3.  Slacker muz that don’t really practice islame, they just go through the motions to keep the nut cases out of their faces, and 4. Apostates (either in the closet, or those that have “come out”).  I imagine that many muz have come to this country and abandoned islame and converted or practice no religion at all.  Those are the SANE ones.

  • CM

    Storm-Rider,

    I don’t think you and I really disagree with anything regarding the nature Qur’anic teachings. I was pointing out, though, blog posts that did not address these facts and only seemed to be recklessly inflammatory. These blog posts feature people breaking the law, not because of Qur’anic teachings, but for non-dogmatic reasons.

    Infidelesto,

    If you want to argue that Qur’anic teachings foster a culture of violence and oppression against women, non-Muslims, and critics of Islam, you’ve got a much better chance of having people see your point because there IS evidence to support this. Taliban killing Christian aid workers — fine. Hardliners killing Danish journalists — fine. Death threats against Salman Rushdie and Wafa Sultan for perceived insults to Muhammad — yes, THIS is Islamic barbarism. But a man killing his neighbor over a domestic dispute is NOT an example of Islamic barbarism. If you cross this line, showcasing random crimes committed by people that have NOTHING to do with Islamic doctrine, you weaken your trustworthiness substantially and only give more fuel to the suspicion that this blog is nothing but a hate-site.

    All I’m trying to say is that this blog can do much better than that.

  • Storm-Rider

    CM,

    Explain to me how political speech is criminal – give me some quotations from IAC which are crimes. According to our Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights suppression of political speech is criminal.
     

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
     

    “If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”  George Washington
     

    “The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.”  Thomas Jefferson
     

    “Nothing is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man.”   Thomas Jefferson
     

  • Chris

    Certain people will always label this place a hate site. Just like they do with Spencer’s site and Sina’s site.

  • Storm-Rider

    CM,
    I may have misunderstood your comments about law-breakers; I see now that you may have been referring to Muslims breaking American law rather than the criminality of people posting anti-Jihad comments. If so, accept my apology; but the quotes of our founders inspire me nevertheless.

    SR

  • Chris

    CM,

       What are some examples of these posts?
    Thanks.
  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    But a man killing his neighbor over a domestic dispute is NOT an example of Islamic barbarism. If you cross this line, showcasing random crimes committed by people that have NOTHING to do with Islamic doctrine, you weaken your trustworthiness substantially and only give more fuel to the suspicion that this blog is nothing but a hate-site.  All I’m trying to say is that this blog can do much better than that.

    If you could give an example where we do this, that would be great.  It seems more than anything that you need to read through the archives to get a better grasp on what we do on this site, because for you to say this makes you look really ignorant of the facts about what we’ve been posting here for years.  Sorry, CM, but it does.  Please educate yourself and read through the archives before you make yourself look like such an ignoramus.

  • Storm-Rider

    CM: “I was pointing out, though, blog posts that did not address these facts and only seemed to be recklessly inflammatory. These blog posts feature people breaking the law, not because of Qur’anic teachings, but for non-dogmatic reasons.”

    How can you be so sure that the Muslims lawbreakers described by IAC are breaking the law for non-dogmatic, i.e.: non-religious reasons? As Simon pointed out, the concept of Umma is very powerful, and criminal activity within the collectivist Umma can easily be inferred to be related to Islamic religious political doctrine. We know that the Islamists have the goal of establishing worldwide totalitarian Islamic Sharia Law; and failing the success of terrorism to bring this about, they have enunciated a strategy to bring Islamic paradise on Earth by subversion of democratic nations, such as our own, through anti-democratic political and criminal activity. You assert that the Muslim law-breakers are not connected to Political Islam, but their criminal activity is in almost all cases sanctioned by Sharia Law; and their crimes can therefore be seen as Islamic Politics “by other means.”

    If you are in error it would seem to me that you err on the side of potential tyranny; whereas if IAC errs, they err on the side which preserves sacred human liberty.
     

  • http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com BONNI

    The way I see it, if 1.3 billion peaceful Muslims really were opposed to terrorism they could easily stop a few million terrorists. And while most may hate the tactics used by the terrorists, they do, in fact, approve of their goals, which is the Islamization of the entire world. Their silence speaks volumes about what they really think. 

    I have an anti-Islam website too and am not afraid to tell people that that is exactly what it is. My tag line says it best, ‘It isn’t Islamophobia when they really ARE trying to kill you.’
    http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com

  • jennyjen

    Muslims sure are sensitive. Totally agree with Bonni!

  • CM

    Look here, Infidelesto. Before you start calling me an “ignoramus”, *you* need figure out exactly what it is I’m trying to say.

    First of all, I did not initially go through the past entries because I was just assuming you knew which article I was referring to. I was talking about ONE article that I saw. Not ALL the articles on this site. Way to go on trying to talk down to your own readers.

    So I went back into the archives just now and found that the page is empty. I also can’t seem to go back further than the Oct 23rd post. If you can fix this so I can find the exact article so you know exactly what it is I’m trying to address, that would be helpful.

  • CM

    Storm-Rider,

    The article I was referring to described a man who killed his neighbor over a dispute regarding his wife (or as best as I can remember it, since I’m unable to access the exact post). From what I was able to discern, it was a non-dogmatic, non-political crime that should not have been included in this blog.  I wish I could link the article right now but it’s not on the main page anymore.

    Not sure what you’re referring to about me thinking political speech should be criminal, though.

  • Chris

    Guys when it comes to the problems that Islam brings to the world we all are on the same team here. Bickering over one article is not so important.

  • CM

    Maybe it is a minor point. But I thought it sent out the wrong message of what critics of Islam are — or at least should be — all about. I was just trying to help.

  • CM

    I thought that particular article, posted on this blog with commentary, only supplied evidence for the “you hate all Muslims” people!

  • Chris

    Thanks for being concerned with the site.

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    CM,
    It makes you look ignorant when you make general claims about the blog.  That’s all.  Not saying you are an ignoramus, you just look one when you start lecturing someone on something that are already fully aware of.  I know you probably don’t know this, but I’ve taken a lot of pride in doing my best to only focus on Islamic totalitarianism as it relates to culture, values, law and jihad related posts ever since I started IAC, and in doing so, have tried to uphold a good reputation in doing so. 

    It’s important to me, so that’s why what you said came across as somewhat offensive.  Honestly, I cannot recall one single instance where I wrote a post about Islam that has nothing to do with Islamic culture, law, jihad or theology.  I don’t relish bashing all Muslims or finding any news story I can to insult Muslims just for no reason.  I always have reason.  I hope you can understand this point and hopefully you’ll dive into the archives and see what I mean.

    You can access the archives from the sidebar where it says “Search” which is a search function, “Tags” where you can find all posts with that certain tag, or “monthly” where you can see all posts by month.  Sorry for calling you ignoramus, and thanks for reading and commenting.

  • CM

    Infidelesto,

    It’s cool. Sorry if it came across like I was bashing IAC indiscriminately, too. I realize it might have sounded like a blanket, this-place-is-full-of-hate statement and I’m sure you get that a lot. I was initially skeptical about this blog and the kinds of people that would comment here, but overall I’ve come to see it’s pretty a reasonable place.

    I found the article, which was actually posted by Kal. This was one of the first posts I read on this blog, and it really made me skeptical of everyone’s intentions.

    http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/10/21/uk-algerian-immigrant-rapes-woman-beheads-neighbor-takes-head-on-bus-ride/

    Other posts I’ve found pretty informative.

  • Nicolas Krebs

    Infidelesto, do you hate all Europeans?

  • Joan

    No i do not think he does, he is concerned that what is happening in England will happen over there.
    They never give me the impression they hate me, if they did i would not be here.

    Joan

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    @Nicolas Krebs:

    Nicolas, absurdity doesn’t deserve a serious answer. Two of my best friends are European

  • Nicolas Krebs

    Infidelesto, do you think there will be 40% Muslims in Europe iby 2025?

  • Chris

    Nicolas,

       Save the stupid questions, we have every right to speak out against Islam taking over.
  • Tonto (USA)

      Nicolas, Are you any relation to Maynard G. Krebbs?  Do you have an “Uncle Dobie”?  You sound like you might.

  • Nicolas Krebs

    “we have every right to speak out against Islam taking over” (Chris)

    Do you think that Islam is taking over Europe?

  • simon

    .. well the white european birthrate is 1.8…. which means wer’e shrinking as a population. The moslem birthrate is significantly higher. 

    Couple that with the fact that many moslems get their wives from pakistan. there virtually no inter marriage between moslems and non moslems.

    Putting it all together, the moslem population is increasing expotentially, the non moslem population shrinking.

    I reckon you could probably work it out on a computer, that if something isn’t done then eventually we will become the minority.

    And since democracy is a numbers game…… 

  • Chris

    Slowly Europe is changing to suit Islam.

  • simon

    … well hopefully not, as soon as the mozzies start telling brits they can’t drink, there really will be blood on the streets.

    We really need to wake up over here. 

  • Nicolas Krebs

    “the white european birthrate is 1.8″ (simon)

    The fertility rate in the islamic republic of Iran is 1.7.

    “The moslem birthrate is significantly higher.”

    How higher?

    “eventually we will become the minority”

    White Europeans are already a minority on Earth.

    “Slowly Europe is changing to suit Islam.” (Chris)

    How slowly? Do you think there will be 20% Muslims in Europe by 2025?

  • Joan

    well, simon,
    I am alarmed to find myself in total agreement with you. I have been saying that over and over, there will be blood when drink gets banned.

  • Chris

    Nicloas,

     What is it that you want? We will continue to speak out against Islam as we have heard all the excuses 100′s of times.
    White Europeans being the minority on EARTH is not the same as them being the minority in their own countries. Was that the part where we were supposed to say OK and agree with you?
    Muslims do not have to be the majority to dominate.
  • Chris

    Well they tried that a bit with that new Tesco store. But thankfully they lost.

  • jennyjen

    Prohibition had its shot in the US, didn’t do so well. It did spark NASCAR and if you have ever had a shot of ‘shine, well that stuff is lethal. Long live Beer!

  • simon

    Nicolas,
    The democracy, human rights, gay rights, womens rights that have been fought for over generations in my country… and they are not mine to give away.

    If non democratic Arab countries want islamic rule and they are happy with it fine… all I can do is not buy their goods where possible.

    But the thought of my civil rights being destroyed in my own country by a totally foreign belief system is one that scares me to death.

    I do not want to be publically flogged for dancing with a woman. And I don’t want my sister confined to the house, unless she has a male escort and wears a burka.

    The above scenario is a real possibility if moslems continue to increase in numbers in my country.  

  • simon

    … Hey joan, wev’e agreed twice now… what’s going on?

  • Joan

    I can assure you things are now back to the original state and normal service has now been resumed.

    The UK said no once before when all the odds were against us, we were like a mouse against a lion, but eventually we said no. To what was evil. we will again.

  • simon

    … oh no I agree with you again!

  • simon

    …. mind you we would have been stuffed without the Americans… it has to be said

  • simon

    … do you agree?

  • Joan

    Stop creeping Simon.

  • simon

    … you agree don’t you?… go on admit it! :)

  • simon

    go on… it won’t hurt!

  • Joan

    They had their uses, and that is about all i will admit.

  • simon

    … the words “thin” and “ice” and “on” come to mind

  • simon

    … I know you agree with me… you just can’t admit it he he!

  • Joan

    And the words “stuffed” and “get ” come to mine.

  • simon

    well that makes three agreements… I think we should both be worried by that 

  • Nicolas Krebs

    “eventually we will become the minority” (simon)

    When?

    “What is it that you want?” (Chris)

    I want to know if you are european-haters, as Bat Ye’or quoted in http://infidelsarecool.com/2007/01/30/21st-century-eurabia/ .

  • Joan

    we will become the minority in the future as to the birth rates outnumbering the Christian or non Muslim population, simple maths with a school grade calculator will confirm this for you.
    I do not want to live on my knees in my own country, i want an end to Muslim immigration and repatriation of those who are here.
     
    Joan

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Infidelesto

    Nicolas, of course we don’t hate Europeans.  We fear that the religion of multiculturalism has taken a strong foothold on European society, and that it could do heavy damage to western culture by allowing an Islamist culture of control, repression and subjugation which, for the most part, activist Islamists want to implement.

    Stop trolling with stupid questions.  If you have something intelligent to say, please do so, otherwise, save it for another blog.  I won’t have you destroying the thread with mindless questions.  
  • Joan

    America needs to look to the UK to see what will happen if the problem of Islam is left, as it has been here. We are more advanced with Islam here and America can learn much from the Islamification of Europe, in particular the UK.

    Joan

  • Chris

    Islamists are European haters. We are rooting for Islam to be defeated in Europe.

    Infidelesto,
       His questions are quite stupid.
  • Storm-Rider

    Nicholas Krebs,

    You should listen to some Europeans who have identified the totalitarian anti-human liberty tendencies in European Socialist culture and government. If Europeans themselves hate the injustice embedded within the culture and governments of their continent, we Americans are free to do so as well. There is plenty of America hatred coming from the Marxist-Socialists in Europe; why is it that you cry so loudly when the tables are turned. It’s not that Americans hate Europeans, we hate the injustice and evil of European Marxist Socialism.

    “There is, first of all, the profound experience of Russia, the significance of which we are only now beginning to understand. The question therefore arises: will this experience be sufficient? Is it sufficient for the entire world and especially for the West? Indeed, is it sufficient for Russia? Shall we be able to comprehend its meaning? Or is mankind destined to pass through this experience on an immeasurably larger scale? There is no doubt that if the ideals of Utopia are realized universally, mankind, even in the barracks of the universal City of the Sun, shall find the strength to regain its freedom and to preserve God’s image and likeness–human individuality–once it has glanced into the yawning abyss. But will even that experience be sufficient? For it seems just as certain that the freedom of will granted to man and to mankind is absolute, that it includes the freedom to make the ultimate choice–between life and death.” Igor Shafarevich

  • Storm-Rider

    “There is, first of all, the profound experience of Russia, the significance of which we are only now beginning to understand. The question therefore arises: will this experience be sufficient? Is it sufficient for the entire world and especially for the West? Indeed, is it sufficient for Russia? Shall we be able to comprehend its meaning? Or is mankind destined to pass through this experience on an immeasurably larger scale? There is no doubt that if the ideals of Utopia are realized universally, mankind, even in the barracks of the universal City of the Sun, shall find the strength to regain its freedom and to preserve God’s image and likeness–human individuality–once it has glanced into the yawning abyss. But will even that experience be sufficient? For it seems just as certain that the freedom of will granted to man and to mankind is absolute, that it includes the freedom to make the ultimate choice–between life and death.” Igor Shafarevich
     

    http://www.robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html
     

    “World socialism as a whole, and all the figures associated with it, are shrouded in legend; its contradictions are forgotten or concealed; it does not respond to arguments but continually ignores them–all this stems from the mist of irrationality that surrounds socialism and from its instinctive aversion to scientific analysis…. The doctrines of socialism seethe with contradictions, its theories are at constant odds with its practice, yet due to a powerful instinct–also laid bare by Shafarevich–these contradictions do not in the least hinder the unending propaganda of socialism. Indeed, no precise, distinct socialism even exists; instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something noble and good, of equality, communal ownership, and justice: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach….  The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and “God-like” aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity…. It could probably be said that the majority of states in the history of mankind have been “socialist.” But it is also true that these were in no sense periods or places of human happiness or creativity.”  Alexander Solzhenitsyn
     

    http://www.robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html

  • Storm-Rider

    Nicholas Krebs,
    You need some remedial education on Europe. Listen to some of these Europeans who have correctly identified the injustice of European Marxist Socialism, and its tendency toward totalitarianism.
     

    “It is no accident that the European Parliament, for example, reminds me of the Supreme Soviet. It looks like the Supreme Soviet because it was designed like it. Similarly, when you look at the European Commission it looks like the Politburo. I mean it does so exactly, except for the fact that the Commission now has 25 members and the Politburo usually had 13 or 15 members. Apart from that they are exactly the same, unaccountable to anyone, not directly elected by anyone at all. When you look into all this bizarre activity of the European Union with its 80,000 pages of regulations it looks like Gosplan. If you go through all the structures and features of this emerging European monster you will notice that it more and more resembles the Soviet Union. Of course, it is a milder version of the Soviet Union. Please, do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that it has a Gulag. It has no KGB ..  not yet .. but I am very carefully watching such structures as Europol for example. That really worries me a lot because this organization will probably have powers bigger than those of the KGB. They will have diplomatic immunity. Can you imagine a KGB with diplomatic immunity? They will have to police us on 32 kinds of crimes .. two of which are particularly worrying, one is called racism, another is called xenophobia. No criminal court on earth defines anything like this as a crime. So it is a new crime, and we have already been warned. Someone from the British government told us that those who object to uncontrolled immigration from the Third World will be regarded as racist and those who oppose further European integration will be regarded as xenophobes.”  Vladimir Bukovksy
     
     
    “For socialism nowadays emerges not only as a natural area of social policy but usually also as a religion, one based on atheism and the deification of man and man’s labor and on recognition of the elemental forces of Nature and social life, and as the only meaningful principle of history.”  Sergi Bulgakov
     
     
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865
     

  • Storm-Rider

    Nicholas Krebs,

    It is not Europe that I hate, it is the irrational, unjust and totalitarian European philosophies of tyranny that I hate; and I am not alone.

    “It (Socialism) is based on big and patronizing government, on extensive regulating of human behavior, and on large-scale income redistribution….There is always a limiting (or constraining) of human freedom, there is always ambitious social engineering, there is always an immodest ‘enforcement of a good’ by those who are anointed on others against their will, there is always the crowding out of standard democratic methods by alternative political procedures, and there is always the feeling of superiority of intellectuals and of their ambitions…These alternative ideologies are successful especially where there is no sufficient resistance to them, where they find a fertile soil for their flourishing, where they find a country (or the whole continent) where freedom (and free markets) have been heavily undermined by long lasting collectivistic dreams and experiences and where intellectuals have succeeded in getting and maintaining a very strong voice and social status. I have in mind, of course, rather Europe, than America. It is Europe where we witness the crowding out of democracy by post democracy, where the EU dominance replaces democratic arrangements in the EU member countries, where [some people] do not see the dangers of empty Europeanism and of a deep (and ever deeper) but only bureaucratic unification of the whole European continent. They applaud the growing formal opening of the continent, but do not see that the elimination of some of the borders without actual liberalization of human activities ‘only’ shifts governments upwards, which means to the level where there is no democratic accountability and where the decisions are made by politicians appointed by politicians, not elected by citizens in free elections.”  President of the Czeck Republic, Václav Klaus

    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/206

  • simon

    Hi storm.. you said (or quoted)
    ” do not see that the elimination of some of the borders without actual liberalization of human activities ‘only’ shifts governments upwards, ”

    But human activities in Europe have been liberalized. 

    In most of Eurpoe, gays can get married, some areas you can by pot legally, prostitution is legal and regulated,… didn’t use to be like that. sound to me that we have a lot more liberation in our eurpoean societies, that you imagine.

    Of course having read that, it is probably not the kind of liberation you would approve of. You would probably call liberalisation  everyone walking around with a gun in their back pocket.

  • Nicolas Krebs

    “Nicolas, of course we don’t hate Europeans.” (Infidelesto)

    Than why have you quoted Bat Ye’or in http://infidelsarecool.com/2007/01/30/21st-century-eurabia/ ?

    “the totalitarian anti-human liberty tendencies in European Socialist culture and government.” (Storm-Rider)

    Do you think that European culture and government are totalitarian, anti-human liberty and socialist?

    “why is it that you cry so loudly when the tables are turned.”

    No worry, you are free to believe that Europeans are Untermenschen overwhelmed by Muslims.

    “the injustice of European Marxist Socialism”

    Do you think that Europe is marxist and socialist?

    “the irrational, unjust and totalitarian European philosophies of tyranny that I hate”

    Do you think that European philosophy is irrational, unjust, totalitarian, tyrannic?

    “I am not alone”

    I know.

    “big and patronizing government, on extensive regulating of human behavior, and on large-scale income redistribution”

    Such Food Stamp Program?

  • Chris

    Bat Ye’or is speaking out against Islam taking over Europe. So what?

    Is there a reason that you are here, other then making moronic posts?
    Muslims are clearly slowng taking over Europe.
  • Tonto (USA)

      Just another troll Chris.  These dingbats come here to exaggerate themselves into believing there is some validity to their lives, like spammers, hackers, or those people that build viruses.  They sit down in mom and dad’s basement or their bedroom in daddy’s house and try to dream up something that makes them feel they have a brain.  Actually, their accomplishments are probably things like merit badges in cub scouts or an A+ on a penmanship contest.  They just take up space and are probably best deleted.   Screwum!

  • Nicolas Krebs

    “Just another troll Chris.” (Tonto)

    Well, how would you react if somebody where claiming that Maori are taking over your country?

  • Robert B.

    “Well, how would you react if somebody where claiming that Maori are taking over your country?”

    By playing cowboys and Maori.

  • Chris

    Nicolas are you offended?

  • Nicolas Krebs

    "Nicolas are you offended?" (Chris)

    Am I offended of being called "worse than cockroaches"? Yes, I am.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    I did not see anyone here call you that. But all you have been doing is whining anyway, toughen up.

  • Nicolas Krebs

    "I did not see anyone here call you that." (ChristopherL)

    Me too.

    "all you have been doing is whining anyway"

    And asking some questions.

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