Muslims, you Cannot Have it Both Ways

by admin on November 11, 2008 · View Comments

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We all see that people across the world are desperately clinging to the slim chance that “moderate” Islam will coming riding in on a white horse and end all the problems that the Islamic community is causing worldwide, but the truth is that “moderate” Islam has not come to the rescue for 1400 years. That is why we need to continue to speak up and force our governments to end Muslim immigration. Muslims cannot have it both ways, they get angry when we speak out against their religion and all the problems that it causes. Yet, they do nothing about it.

Lets put the violence in Islam aside and take something simple. Like the latest piggy bank ban. We see events like this happening more and more, as life as we know it is slowly being changed to suit Islam. What I want to know is, where are the Muslim groups speaking out against this ban? Muslims know that non-Muslims are sick of changing things to suit a religion they we do not belong to. So if they really wanted to be part of our countries and not just change it to suit them, why are the so silent?

Where are the Islamic protests, saying we are against the ban of piggy banks as non-Muslims do not find them offensive and many children love them as it is a tradition with children in non-Islamic countries? Where is the concern for our way of life? Here is a little friendly advice for Muslims. Either stop complaining about what offends you and showing no concern for what anyone else believes or wants, or do not complain as our voice against Islam gets louder. Like I said you cannot have it both ways.

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  • http://infidelsarecool.com Philip Saenz

    “Moderate Muslim” is yet another Muslim Taqiyya lie.  There is no such thing as a Moderate Muslim.  However that Taqiyya lie isn’t as big as “Islam Is The Religion of Peace.” 
    “Islam Is The Religion of Peace” isn’t only the biggest lie in the world, but also the cruelest and most hateful lie in the world.

  • Chris

    Islam means peace might just be the most damaging lie on the planet.

  • http://infidelsarecool.com Philip Saenz

    “they [the Muslims] get angry when we speak out against their religion and all the problems that it causes.  Yet they [the Muslims] do nothing about it.”  Friend, how can they do something about their religion?  “All the problems that it [Islam] causes” is the Muslim religion.  Don’t you understand?  CRUELTY IS THE MUSLIM RELIGION.  So “not doing something about it” is part of their religion.  In other words, Muslims are practicing their religion by “not doing something about it.”

    “Infidels are your sworn enemies,”( Sura 4 Verse 101).
    “Make war on the infidels around you,”(Sura 9 Verse 123 and Sura 66 Verse 9).
    “Be ruthless to the infidels,”(Sura 48 Verse 29).
    “Fight those who believe not Allah nor the Last Day,”(Sura 9 Verse 29).
    “Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends,”(Sura 5 Verse 61 and Sura 60 Verse 13}.  AND MANY MORE SIMILAR VIOLENT PASSAGES.

    Now, do you understand?  So the only way a Muslim could do “something about it” is if he abandons his religion.  Some do, but not enough to suit me.

  • CM

    I think it’s mostly the bank here being silly in thinking that piggy banks would actually drive away Muslim business. (I don’t think Muslims really care much about this particular issue either way, which is why they’re not protesting.)

    But yeah, in general, Muslims need to  pick their complaints wisely.

  • Chris

    I understand Philip, just making a point. The point being that non-Muslims have to start worrying about non-Muslims and lose the fantasy that the two worlds are going to come together.

    CM it is not about the piggy bank, it is about Muslims never siding with us in non-Islamic countries.
    They don’t protest against the Muslims cabbies who don’t want alcohol in their cars, the Muslims who want to ban alcohol at Tesco or the Muslims who try and and impose Ramadan on non-Muslims. That is just the short list.
  • CM

    Cabbies who don’t allow alcohol in their cars wouldn’t be in business very long here in NYC, that’s for sure! I think most if not all Muslim business owners in the U.S have pretty much accepted the way of life here — selling/handling pork and alcohol in their supermarkets and delis for example. I think the ones that refuse to adapt will eventually learn to in the end.

    As for the Tesco case (I’m guessing you’re referencing the guy who sued the company for being asked to handle alcohol), I don’t know what the outcome was/is but Muslims seem to be divided over the issue (from UK Times Online):

    “However, some senior Muslims were less approving.

    Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, director of the Muslim Institute and leader of the Muslim parliament, said: “This is some kind of overenthusiasm. One expects professional behaviour from people working in a professional capacity and this shows a lack of maturity.
    “Sainsbury’s is being very good, they are trying to accommodate the wishes of their employees and we commend that. The fault lies with the employee who is exploiting and misusing their goodwill. It makes no difference if it is only happening over Ramadan.”
    Ibrahim Mogra, chairman of the inter-faith committee of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), said: “Muslim employees should look at the allowances within Muslim law to enable them to be better operating employees and not be seen as rather difficult to cater for.””
    *shrug* Muslims do side with non-Muslims sometimes.

  • Tonto (USA)

      I think that, when it comes to making a living, a man will do what a man’s gotta do.  The deal is that all the religion crap goes out the window when it’s a matter of having or not having a job.  I’m sure you can find any “forbidden” act or substance in any muz country, including Saudi Arabia and Iran, that you want, at any time, whenever you want it, if you know how to go about it.  No problem.  Think about why it is that muz are killing muz at such a frantic rate all over the world.  Muz are drifting away from the stupidity and oppressiveness of islam and are getting punished for it, and retaliating against the punishers, like a civil war almost. Or a blood feud.  In Iraq, we get blamed for all the muz getting wasted, but it’s mainly muz killing muz.  When Bhutto got whacked, a muz had a baby wrapped in a bomb that killed Bhutto and a whole bunch of other muz.  Then, muz were killing more muz in revenge for the muz that were killed.  Jeez, maybe all we gotta do is “stir the pot”, now and then, and they’ll stay busy killing each other.  The muz are definitely nuts enough, and we get blamed for it anyway.
      Then there is the business of that iranian mullah on TV bitching about the number of apostates they are experiencing in Iran.  Boy, he was shut up in a big hurry!  There sure seems to be a measure of hysteria going on in muz countries.  Think they’re feeling the “Pressures of CHANGE”?  We should send them The Obamasiah to save them.  Hot Damn!  Another great idea!

  • Chris

    CM, 

      You are mistaken, the cabbies in Minn. airport got away with it for months and now are taking it to court. The Muslims who wanted special pray breaks for the month of Ramadan at Swift Plant are taking that to court. Target in Minn. has special checkout lines where no pork products are allowed because the cashier is Muslims. The Islamic school in Minn. which taxpayers are paying for is constantly breaking the separation of church and state. They are under review by the board of education. Guarantee that ends up in court. This is just the beginning here, American Muslims are no different from Muslims anywhere else. The bottom line with Muslim immigration is trouble, look across the world.
    As for the UK that guy lost, and Muslims also tried to get another Tesco that was just opening to not be allowed to sell alcohol at all. They lost that too.
    CM,
     That is all EMPTY talk after the fact. Here are some of the demands of the Muslim Council of Britain. (Interfaith con men)

    DEMANDS for a ban on “un-Islamic” activities in schools will be set out by the Muslim Council of Britain today.

    Targets include playground games, swimming lessons, school plays, parents’ evenings and even vaccinations.

    And the calls for all children to be taught in Taliban-style conditions will be launched with the help of a senior Government education adviser. Professor Tim Brighouse, chief adviser to London schools, was due to attend the event at the capital’s biggest mosque. His presence there was seen as “deeply worrying”, and a sign that the report was backed by the Government.

    Tory MP Greg Hands said: “The MCB needs to realise it has to move closer to the rest of the community, not away from it. The presence of Tim Brighouse implies Government backing of this report. This is very worrying.”

    Terry Sanderson of the National Secular Society said the report was a “recipe for disaster”. He added: “Schools with even just a handful of Muslim kids will find they have to follow these guidelines because there aren’t the staff to have one set of classes for Muslims and another for the rest. The MCB shouldn’t try to force its religious agenda on children who may not want it. The Government needs to send the MCB packing. Schools should be about teaching, not preaching.”

    The report, Towards Greater Understanding – Meeting The Needs of Muslim Pupils In State Schools, says all schools should bring in effective bans for all pupils on “un-Islamic activities” like dance classes.

    It also wants to limit certain activities during Ramadan. They include science lessons dealing with sex, parents’ evenings, exams and immunisation programmes.

    The holy month – when eating and drinking is not allowed in daylight hours – should also see a ban on swimming lessons in case pupils swallow water in the pool. When swimming is allowed, boys should wear clothing covering their bodies “from the navel to the neck”, even during single-sex pool sessions, while girls must be covered up completely at all times, apart from the face and hands.

    The MCB adds that schools should ensure contact sports, including football and basketball, “are always in single-gender groups”.

    Even school trips are targeted in the report, which wants them all to be made single-sex “to encourage greater participation from Muslim pupils”.

    It wants Arabic language classes for Muslim pupils, and says the Koran should be recited in music classes. And all schools should ensure they have prayer rooms with washing facilities attached, it says.

    In art classes, Muslim children should not be allowed to draw people, as this is forbidden under some interpretations of Islamic law.

    And while the MCB insists that all British children should learn about Islam, it wants Muslims to have the right to withdraw their children from RE lessons dealing with Christianity and other faiths.

     

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24539_Muslim_Council_of_Britain_Steps_Up_Islamization_Effort&only

  • Chris

    So CM where are all the mass Muslim protests against the pro-Sharia Muslims?

  • Joan

    Chris,
    They are all at a conference calling for Jihad in the UK, i have sent you the conference over.

    Joan

  • dobus

    Finally, I hear the suggestion of banning muzz immigration to this great land of ours!- We should cut it off RIGHT NOW!- Of course, they will be even more welcome now that Hussein is in OUR White House- Yes, ban immigration for muzz; hell, ban immigration all together until we get this straightened out- Then we can consider who we can ship back where they came from- We’ve enough problems without having to cowtow to their ethic of hate and intimidation- But remember, Hussein needs all the muzz here he can get to power his MANDATORY civil defense corp so real Americans can be controlled- You’ll find out real soon that he’s a muzz as well, our Satan from within…….

  • Chris

    Joan,

      I got it. But it is all in Arabic.
    I am with you dobus, lets seal it up until we know who is here.
  • http://yahoo.com Crawfish Charlie

    Submission to Allah’s will is logically compatable with complacency to jihad
     
    Suppose “Mo” (an “average” muslem) wishes to be a good muslem. How should Mo respond to jihad? First, in order to be a good muslem, Mo must submit to Allah’s will in ALL things – for Allah’s will determines everything in life [from stubbing your toe this morning to winning the lottery]. Second, Allah’s will shall determine the ultimate winner between Islamo-fascism and Western civilization. [Here, in Mo's eyes, Islam will win. It is only a matter if the islamo-fascists will be in charge when Islam finally does take over]  So, if Mo takes any action to undermine the islamo-fascists, his actions may ultimately turn out to be opposing Allah’s will if Allah choses the islamo-fascists as the ultimate victors. This would be unfortunate for MO, since opposing Allah’s will is punished severly by Allah. A safer approach for Mo would be not to oppose jihad. That way if the islamo-fascists are victorious (by the will of Allah, of course), Mo would not be punished by Allah for opposing his will. Also, this complacency would not necessarily exact revenge from Western civilization should that side be victorious. Complacency is then a “safe” response to jihad for Mo. Sort of like “stradling the fence” so to speak.
     
    The above logic explains why islamic warriors may join their enemies side – without any shame whatsoever – when it becomes apparent that their side is losing. They switch sides because they do not want to oppose Allah’s will, which apparently is leaning toward granting the other side victory. When it appears that Allah is granting the other side a victory, a good muslem does NOT want to die opposing Allah’s will. So the warrior switches sides. This is perfectly acceptable behavior among muslems. A warrior may switch sides knowing that the former adversaries will understand that the original “conflict” was itself a simple missunderstanding and now that Allah’s will is “clear”, all may be forgiven; Tea anyone?
     
    Complacency is a logical response for a muslem that wishes not to oppose the will of Allah and, simultaneously, to not invoke “too harsh” a reaction from a “sympathetic” Western civilization.
     
    …Crawfish Charley

  • Sealeo

    I am so tired of those muslims that we have to handle with gentle hands. Why are they here ??? Why have they left their own countrys ???

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