Despite ceasefire, Hamas continues firing rockets into Israel

by Kal El on January 18, 2009 · View Comments

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Yeah real surprise there, islamic terrorists doing what islamic terrorists do best. And of course Commie News Network tries to legitimize them, calling them militants, instead of what they really are: Jihadists. And the leftard liberals eat it up like pigs at a trough, denouncing Israel for defending itself at every turn.

Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

JERUSALEM (CNN) — Militants fired six rockets into southern Israel and exchanged gunfire with troops in northern Gaza Sunday, hours after Israel declared a unilateral cease-fire in the Palestinian territory, an Israeli spokesman said.

The Qassam rockets were fired into Sderot at 9 a.m. — seven hours after Israel’s cease-fire went into effect. The rockets did not injure anyone, and Israeli aircrafts destroyed the rocket launcher soon afterward, an Israeli military spokesman said.

An hour or two before the rocket attacks, Palestinian gunmen opened fire on Israeli forces in northern Gaza, the Israeli military said. Troops returned fire.

Israel launched an offensive in Gaza just over three weeks ago, with the stated intent of stopping the barrage of rockets — primarily the short-range homemade Qassam rocket — fired from the territory into southern Israel by Hamas fighters.

Palestinian medical sources also pulled 30 bodies from rubble in Gaza on Sunday, adding to the death toll from Israel’s 22-day offensive in the area.

“If Hamas chooses to still launch rockets, we’ll answer back and we’ll answer back harsh,” said Avital Leibovich, spokeswoman for the Israel Defense Forces Sunday. “It’s really up to Hamas. Hamas will be accountable for any launching and every terror activity from the Gaza strip.”

Israel also announced Sunday it would open an emergency treatment center at the Erez crossing point from Israel to Gaza for civilians who have been injured in the fighting. It will be “fully equipped and staffed” and Palestinians requiring more involved treatement will be sent to hospitals in Israel, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement.

The three-week conflict has killed more than 1,200 people in Gaza and injured more than 5,000 more, many of them Palestinian civilians, according to medical sources in Gaza City. They said 410 children have died.

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  • Joseph O'Donnell

    But I'm sure that Hamas will say that Israel's 'unprovoked' attqack upon the Palestinian people affected Hamas' ability to communicate with those six rocket launching sites. There such a peaceful people.

  • http://www.israelconflicts.com Martin

    Doesn't surprise me at all. If Hamas actually agreed to the ceasefire, they would display themselves as losers compared to Hezbollah during 2006 Lebanon War.

  • http://johnrj08.wordpress.com/ JohnRJ08

    Hamas will this "hudna" just like they did the last one. They'll devote their energy to re-building their stockpile of missiles from Iran, and re-constitute their network of tunnels into Egypt. Since its inception, Hamas has been in constant preparation for wars with Israel which it has fully intends to provoke until a pan-Arab holy war is declared against Israel. There is no secret about Hamas' attitude toward the Jewish state, which it feels is an "offense to God". Of course, Israel is smart enough to know all this, even if many other countries are not. Hopefully, Israel is using its time in Gaza to set up an underground network of informers and sensors to detect the inevitable movement of munitions during this so-called cease-fire. The only reason Hamas has agreed to a cease-fire is because it has been trounced by the IDF and needs time to regroup and re-arm. Egypt must be held responsible for feeding this beast.

  • Gaz

    here is a video link that might give us all a more compassionate understanding of the situation
    http://www.pppl.org/index.html

  • gaz

    here is a video link that might give us all a more compassionate understanding of the situation

    http://www.pppl.org/index.html

  • colin in canada

    when will the people in gaza realize that it was hamas who brought all this down on them and rise up and demand a peaceful co-existence with Israel.
    They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

  • Beej

    Nobody is surprised, surely? Ah well, more Muslim deaths on the way, but Israel will be blamed yet again.

  • gaz

    not blamed enough seeing as they are illegally occupying palestinian land by force, in the face of international law.

  • Beej

    "Illegally occupying Palestinian land by force, in the face of international law." Kindly explain how you arrive at this Kafkaesque conclusion. I am beginning to wonder, given the monumental ignorance displayed by Muslims, if there is something in your religion that forbids you to read history. Little wonder so many Muslims here in Australia send their kids to civilised schools!

  • Jeff

    I don't give a damn about a people that live too die gaz . Sod ham ass , sod you habibi. The Israelies should do as the Serbs did to their enemies. Take sharia law and shove it up you pipe. Israel stays, nothing you can do about it. People that want to die for allah, PLANT THEM.

    GOT IT ?

  • http://www.mosquewatch.blogspot.com Jeff

    YOU CAN TAKE YOUR COMPASSION AND SHOVE IT. I have no compassion for muslim terrorists. I want the bastards dead. That goes for hamas , islamic jihad, milf, and all the rest of the Muslims that agree with them. The Muslims that don't want to muder the kufar, they stay alive.

    DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR ?

  • walter

    Jeff , Jeff, Jeff. !__You are too frank and definitely positively politically too incorrect.__Now, that is not a sin. If ever. We need more Jeffs around. Good on you..You are damm 200% right.__If you somewhat loosen it a bit and elaborate a little bit more you will definitely attract the quite large quiet and timid majority, unlike the homosxuals such as John Ging and Crhis Guness hiding (word for enjoying) in the violet lights of a Gazan light music filtered underground little 'niche' with the Hamas fighters off their shifts popping back in specially when the IDF is on a lull. Trust me, what they wear or not is not very much an issue for us to elaborate(please leave a little bit to the immagination) and the noisy bombers would be minimal . You can either play little games such as musical Lap or other. Good to relieve the boys coming down after skipping the whiffs of IDF bullets. Guness is a Queen both down there and upstairs.__A lot of blame is going on. Everyone has a claim, UN etc. other… disrupting those who try their best to have a little bit of fun.__Gin and Gunness are saying : You will burn in hell for your meaness against us. We can even sue you. __Not fair, or what?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    I gotta agree with hellosnackbar. There are MANY more apostates in islam than we think. Any muz that lives in a more secular way than is accepable by the local sharia is apostate whether they realize it or not. Look at Iran. In Iran they have "you ain't muz enough" police that will beat on girls, arrest people and even execute them for not being muz enough. Iranian mullahs have even been on their TV whining about how many apostates there have been and I know they were talking about passing a law (a frickin' secular law) making it death for apostacy. The west and it's secularism has the black robes real worried, that's why they're making so much noise about it. The fact is, people are becoming tired of the stupid muz and sharia crapola……they want to LIVE and have FUN without the BS.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    As far as I'm concerned, the Israelis didn't even make a good start on what needs to be done. The muz haven't learned a harsh enough lesson….on that you can be sure. Since 9/11, there have been 12,610 jihadi attacks. The week of Jan 3-10 there were 39 jihadi attacks killing 219 people and severly wounding another 332. Islam has been asking for, and really deserves a very thorough and severe ass kicking. They haven't learned a thing for 1400 years and think they're invincible. Hopefully, someone will soon give them a really memorable lesson.

  • gaz

    well I think there would be a possibility of co existence it Israel got out of the land it has stolen, and is illegally occupying. People seem to overlook the obvious fact that the palestinans have had their land criminally occupied by Israel. Israel supresses them by force, and is simply trying to annexe someone elses land, Same as what Hitler did.. the irony is amazing

  • gaz

    what's wrong with being homosexual?…. the joke is you guys are so similar to fundamental muslims it would be funny if it wasn't so sad… land of the free eh?… don't make me laugh!

  • gaz

    I hate jewish terrorists just as much, and also Israeli theives who steal other peoples land, and when those people try to defend themselves (without the 6 million dollars a year of war weapons sold to them by the U.S.) they get called terrorists.

  • gaz

    and i'm not a muslim… I am sure it is hard for you to understand that a non muslem migh be interested in social justice.
    Well I arrived at the conclusion by understanidng the difference between the 1967 borders of israel, and the borders now which include the "occupied territories"… the gaza strip and the west bank. The clue is in the word occupied. these lands were taken illegally in 1967, and are against international law are illegal, as are all the settlements the Israelis are building to aid in their plan of annexation.
    why you find this kafkaesque beats me… perhaps you can explain the bits you don't undrestand

  • http://palinberry2012.com Deanna Berry

    Duh.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ComputerJockey ComputerJockey

    Because, like Kafka, it twists reality until it is almost unrecognizable. How is it social justice for Israel to give up land that it won in a defensive war? No other country in the world is expected to do that. Jordan wasn't expected to do that when they won Jerusalem in the fifties. Israel just won it back. If you don't like it, tough.

  • ComputerJockey

    Propaganda

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    gaz, that video is pure road apples. Talk about factual distortion. Washingto spinmeisters got nothing on these twits.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    How is it "illegal"? Hamas has never stopped firing their rockets into Southern Israel targeting civilians. That is a war crime in and of it itself. Israel has every right to defend their citizens, and if Hamas is going to hide in their huts behind civilians and fire rockets from children's school yards, they should be held responsible for every civilian death in Gaza. You're either blind, misinformed, or indoctrinated to the agenda of the Islamist-leftist alliance.

  • gaz

    I think there is a difference between winning and stealing. The 6 day war was not a war against palastine, the palastinians have never been a threat to Israel, and never will be – aginst the 4th most powerfully armed army in the world. So what is the answer? Their land is occupied, fuel, food, medical supplies are blockaded. If Israel wants the land the palistineans live on, well give them all israeli citizenship and voting rights. We hear enough about Israel being a democracy, well let them give the citizens of the land they have occupied democratic rights.

    On the other hand I suppose they could continue building illegal settlements, give the indigenous poulation that have lived there for generations ablsoutely no rights, and bingo we have just re-created the apartheid system of South Africa.

  • gaz

    But when you illegally occupy someone elses land you are not being defensive you are being agressive. If i break into your houes and occupy it you have a right to fight back…

  • gaz

    it is illegal under international law…. check it out

  • gaz

    in what specific way is it a distortion… ?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    Gaz, you're not making any sense. If I'm breaking into your house to stop you from shooting at my family, it's justified. You have no right to attack my home, and if you do, I will fight back…get it?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    They haven't stolen any land, Gaz. You are a sheep to the leftard Sheperd that's been feeding you. Read a history book for heaven's sake.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    and is simply trying to annexe someone elses land

    Are you kidding me? I can't even debate something as asinine as this…

  • gaz

    exactly that is my point, you invade my home I fight back exactly! That is the situation that is happening at the moment

  • gaz

    the rockets are a response to an illegal and agressive occupation….

  • gaz

    ok lets just say i agree with you and let's leave the stealing question to one side.

    Lets say the land in question belongs to israel… what happens to the millions of people that live on it… they become Israelis right?
    like the native americans, they become americans with full legal rights right

    So if the land is not stolen then the people who live there must be israelis with full human rights and voting rights,,, I would agree with that

    Everyone on the westbank becomes an Israeli citizen… that would be ok let democracy take its course, i am a big fan of democracy

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    Gaz, you're not understanding. If I start shooting deadly weapons at your house, you're telling me it's illegal to do anything to stop it. You're logic is so flawed. I don't understand people like you who defend evil…

    Fact: Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005
    Fact: Hamas saw it as a victory and proceeded to re-arm and start lobbing rockets at Israel.
    Fact: Israel did nothing in response, and continued to extend the arm of peace.
    Fact: Hamas refused and continued targeting civilians with Qassam Rockets.

    Israel is doing what they should've done a long time ago. Stop their neighbor from terrorizing their own people.

    Hamas does not want peace. Why don't you understand that? They will not stop until they are destroyed or Israel is destroyed. Read Hamas' manifesto. They will never accept anything short of the destruction of Israel.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    Just like all the current Muslim Arabs who are already citizens with full rights and citizenship? There's thousands of them…Muslim Arabs have more rights in Israel than in any arab country. They live the good life compared to Muslim arabs living in Islamic controlled countries in the region.

    You make it sound like Israel would never allow integration, as if it's Israel the one purposefully isolating Gaza because they "don't want them to integrate into society". WRONG. Look at the history of conflicts in the region. The Pali's had every chance to integrate but refused. They even had a chance to integrate with Jordan in the 70's and got kicked back to West Bank after Yasser Arafat and his thugs tried to overthrow the monarchy in Jordan. They have had every chance to integrate, but they want nothing of the sort. The only way to understand why is to look at the Islamic doctrine they've been following. Israel would gladly accept them as Israeli citizens if the reign of terror would just STOP by Hamas.

    I still don't think you understand the fundamental beliefs of the Islamists in Gaza. They will NEVER accept this. They want Israeli genocide, plain and simple, and are willing to train their kids to want the same, sacrifice their own families and themselves in the process. Satan has a foothold in Gaza.

    Until you understand who Hamas is and what they want, you'll never understand…

  • Yara

    im glad you finally comprehended what Israel does on a daily basis. can you imagine living everyday of your life wondering if youre gonna be alive after you get home from work or grocery shopping? hmm that would be pretty scary its very sad that Palestinians have to live through that. or how about worrying that youre not gonna be home in time for the curfew that israelis chose to place which is quite funny becuase ive never heard of people, after occupying a country and destructing it, actually having the nerve to set a curfew time for all the people who own the land to get to their homes and if theyre not there in time..oops! theyre shot ohh well. theres more where they came from. you must be very confused let me clarify something for you..when the news says that 1000+ people have died (if they have time to even mention that with what the death of 12 israeli soldiers theyre so preoccupied with), these deaths theyre speaking of are Palestinians and not Israelis!

  • gaz

    my question was about the west bank.

  • gaz

    but another thing if gaza belongs to israel, why have they pulled out of it… that makes it sound like it never was theirs, and they had just occupied it!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    OK gaz, are you just thick or are you a troll? I'll try to break it down in simple terms so you can understand. Historically, Gaza and West Bank belonged to the country of Judea (now called Israel) and Jews and arabs lived side by side in peace and harmony. Along came the Romans who conquered Judea and made it a provence…but things with the Jews and the 'rabs were still cool. Back then there was lots of conquering going on and that piece of property changed hands several times. Then along came the thug/prophet and the fake religion he whomped up and he conquered the place and POed the arabs there by telling them they couldn't have bacon with their eggs any more.

  • Yara

    Israel will be blamed? ahh man! why would they be blamed for thousands of innocent Palestinian lives? its not like they randomly shoot them or anything! i mean theyre justified when they do because like rocks are really hurtful and its annoying to get hit with one! its not like they drop missiles or bombs on their heads! its not like they bomb schools full of children! ugh that is completely unfair i cant believe anyone would even THINK of blaming them for the deaths of those terrorist infant children who just cry wayy too much and dont listen to Israeli rules!! shame on them.

  • Yara

    ooooo…super scary! "do i make myself clear" haha thanks for that laugh i needed it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    The warlord/fake prophet couldn't get the Jews to buy his BS so he tried to kill them all. That's when the trouble started. The area changed hands several times over the centuries, but was never more than a backwater Provence. After WWII the jews came back and bought land from the arabs and thought they'd revive Israel again. The arabs sold them land with the idea tht when the Brits split, they'd take the land back and make the Jews their dhimmi slaves. This is because the only thing lazier than an arab is 2 of them.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    they pulled out of it as another way of extending the hand of peace to create some kind of peaceful co-existence. But Hamas just used the pullout as fodder for continuing to advance their agenda of destroying Israel by whatever means possible. Of course they are weak and pathetic but I have no doubt Hamas would detonate a nuke or biological weapons over Israel if given the chance…One day they will get that chance if Israel does not do what's necessary to protect itself.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    But oopsie, the Jews weren't buying that and kicked the arab's butt. This was real puzzling to the 'rabs cause thay had been told by their mullahs that it was their right to kick butt or die in the attempt. So the dumbies keep attacking Israel and getting their butts handed to them. The reality is, that if the arabs stop attacking all the time, they won't get their butts kicked any more and can live in peace and prosperity…evidently, they're not that smart.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    And here's my last newsflash gaz…. If it were up to me, the arabs in Gaza would be moved to Egypt. The West Bankers would be moved to Jordan or Lebanon, an Israel's borders would go back to historical limits. Let the Egyptians and the King in Jordan straighten those idiots out…and no doubt they will either be dead or quiet in those countries. The Lebonese are getting ready to straighten out hezbullcraps out as we speak. They've had enough crap courtesy of the fakestinians. Hope that clearsit up for ya gaz. Read a book or look stuff up on line. This ain'rt free education 101 around here.

  • gaz

    I tend to agree with you Yara baut I think we are both wasting our time on this site.. only one point of view is ever expressed here :)

    no point pissing into the wind!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Sorry that we will not fall for your Islamic propaganda.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    I understand very clearly. Palestine voted in Hamas and they did nothing to stop the rocket attacks on Israel.
    They have made their bed.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    The Muslims calling for the death of Jews is what is comparable to Hitler. The stupidity is amazing.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Freedom does not include Islam. But thanks for the constant laughs.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Palestinians are to blame for bringing this upon their children.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Yes that is what Israel is doing, they gave up Gaza and only got more rockets in return.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Hey maybe Gaz knows more about Hamas than Hamas does….

  • hellosnackbar

    Thanks Tonto2,
    It's common sense that all muslims can not be as mad as their mullahs.
    The death sanction is the one instrument that prevents their whole house of cards from collapse.
    It would be gratifying to hear our lilly livered politicians expressing thir opposition;but it takes the likes of Ezra
    Levant,Mark Steyn and Melanie Phillips to speak the "bleeding obvious".
    and of course some of the contributors to this little blog.

  • hellosnackbar

    And still we get our elected representatives equivocating as to whom to blame for the Israeli Strike.
    The issue is as clear as crystal:Israel has been attacked by primitive(yet dangerous ) missiles for years.
    Any soveriegn nation has the right and duty to retaliate to such outrages,
    It takes a diseased mind set to suggest anything to the contrary.

  • hellosnackbar

    Yeah Gaz pissing in the wind is what our muslim chums would call their "raison d'etre.
    They couldn't see a barn door if they were holding the handle.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jennyjen jennyjen

    Isreal plays along with the cease fire and Hamas ignores it. No surprise here!
    Sure am glad to see Tonto back in action!

  • Beej

    OK, Yara. Simple question for you ………. How should Israel respond to rocket attacks by Hamas?

    Yes Yara, rockETS, not rocks.

  • Beej

    Social justice? Since when were Islamic states interested in social justice? You refer to the 1967 Yom Kippur War, when 980,000 troops of Egypt, Syria and Iraq launched a surprise attack against Israel, who put 415,000 troops into the field. As always, Israel put the Islamic heroes to shame, and gained the Sinai Peninsula, much of the Golan heights and the West Bank. Then what? Israel gave it all back! According to your warped logic, the taking of these territories in war was illegal. The WWII allies illegally invaded Germany? Yup, you've been reading too much Kafka.

  • Beej

    WHAT'S illegal under international law? To defend one's country when it is attacked? Who started the Yom Kippur War?

  • Beej

    No, Gaz, stick to what you were talking about – the 1967 war. And think about your own words about the right of fighting back after someone breaks into your home. That's precisely what Israel did in 1967, you strange person.

  • Beej

    Maybe so, but he knows sweet fanny adams about history.

  • Beej

    Yara, Palestinians DO NOT have to live through that. All they have to do is stop firing rockets (over 2,000 in 2008) into Israel. Understand? I mourn for the 12 Israeli soldiers …..

  • ComputerJockey

    How do you figure it is their land? Palestine has never existed as a country. The people you ridiculously refer to as "Palestinians" are, in reality, Arabic from the surrounding states, people that were kicked out of Jordan for attempting to kill King Hussein, Egyptians disaffected by the "liberal" policies of Sadat and Mubarak. add in a sprinkling of Lebanese Hezbollah supporters and you have your beloved "Palestinians."

    The Israelis have been remarkably tempered in their response to the terrorism inflicted upon them. Do you even know what Hussein did when he found out about the plot to kill him? Let's just say it was not pretty.

    Excuse me, the Arabs in Israel have more rights in Israel than they would have in any other government in the whole region. They have representatives in Knesset. The so-called "right of return" would effectively destroy Israel, but that is what you want, isn't it?

  • Belinda

    Israel withdrew from Gaza 3 years ago.

  • Belinda

    John is the man. Way to go and thank you.

  • Belinda

    Social justice? I am sure Hamas is strongly in favor of women's rights and gay rights, and multi-culturalism and tolerance of other's religions…NOT.

  • Belinda

    Who was the land taken from in 1967? From egypt and jordan, there never was a palestinian state. so why didn't jordan and egypt establish one when they controlled the west bank and gaza?

  • Belinda

    There will be peace when the Palestinians love their children more than they hate the Jews.

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  • Belinda

    Gaz, the UN declared two states in 48, one for Palestinians and one for Jews. so how is the land stolen when your beloved UN declared the state of Israel? Only the Arabs rejected the proposal and decided to declare war on Israel. Don't start a war and then complain about losing.

  • Holl

    I was really shoked reading through. Small comment and think well: How can you defend someone who has crucified Jesus!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Those people are not alive now are they? Yet you try and act like you are concerned with Christians and Christianity, but you say nothing about how Christians are persecuted in the Islamic world.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Stop whining already, Israel has been under constant attack by their neighbors. They can and will do what is necessary to defend themselves.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    You want democracy because eventually there would be more Muslims there then Jews.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Right international law, human rights, things the Islamic world knows nothing about.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Israel should not let another Palestinian into Israel. They cannot be trusted and the West should end all Muslim immigration.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    Holl, I hate to tell you this but Jesus set the Jews up Himself. He had to die to redeem us (that's why they call Him the Redeemer). Remember He died for the forgiveness of our sins and the redemption of our souls. He told the Apostles ahead of time what was going to happen, and then as He prayed He asked His Father if this cup shall pass….His mind was made up. He set up the Jews because they were just handy. Probably knew the arabs would screw it up.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    uh, what are you talking about. Israel pulled out of Gaza in 3 years ago. And again, the rockets came even MORE after they pulled out of Gaza. Please educate yourself on a little bit of recent history before making such ridiculous statements. I don't understand why people like you don't SEEK OUT THE TRUTH rather than spewing the same old rhetoric that the media feeds down your throat everyday…Be humble, seek out the truth and you'll find it.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    uh, what are you talking about. Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. And again, the rockets came even MORE after they pulled out of Gaza. Please educate yourself on a little bit of recent history before making such ridiculous statements. I don't understand why people like you don't SEEK OUT THE TRUTH rather than spewing the same old rhetoric that the media feeds down your throat everyday…Be humble, seek out the truth and you'll find it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto John Infidelesto

    what Israel does on a daily basis? Oh you mean the part where ISrael is responding to thug terrorists launching rockets and targeting civilians? Oh that part? Oh ok, wasn't sure what you meant. The only people responsible for bombs falling on Gaza are the thugs who are firing rockets from kids school yards and hiding behind their own people like cowards.

  • Beej

    Holl, your comment is bemusing. You ask how can those who crucified Jesus be defended. But the messages on this site are NOT about the Romans, so what are you driving at? Perhaps it is you who should wake up – and start reading history.

  • Beej

    Gaz, are you aware that one of the ministers in the Israeli government is a MUSLIM WOMAN? OK, Mr Social Conscience, find a Jew in an equivalent position in a Muslim country and tell us about it.

  • gaz

    not at all i just think democracy is a great system, and if the millions of people that live on the west bank and have done for generations are actually living in Israel then of course i think they sould vote because they are in fact israelis. It is inconceivable that the majority of the population do not have voting rights. They did that with black people in south africa it was called apartheid. I.E. the majority of citizens coudn't vote because they were black. Racist voting rights is obviously not a viable solution in a modern democracy.

  • gaZ

    what the person who crucified jesus is still alive?… my god he must be very old by now. What's his name do you have his adress?…lets burn him.

    Holl you are very silly

  • gaz

    well that argument only works if you believe in that myth… which of course most people dont

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    You might want to actually read.

    — On Wed, 1/21/09, IntenseDebate Notifications <notifications@intensedebatemail.com> wrote:

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    Tell ya what gaz….just trot your myth around the corral and we'll take a look at it. I want to see who's got the better story-tale.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    Tell ya what gaz….just trot your myth around the corral and we'll take a look at it. I want to see who's got the better story-tale. By the way, which part? The Jews were set up part or the arabs would screw it up part?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    It it very conceivable as Muslims who hate Israel should not have any say in Israel. It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with self preservation.

    Do the Christians and Jews have equal rights in Islamic countries? No they do not and that is what Muslims deserve back.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Israel is being defensive, they need a buffer zone. Your agenda is clear, as you are not fooling anyone.

  • gaz

    all that stuff about jesus setting jews up and dying to redeem etc etc etc.. not religious myself so i can't identfy with all that stuff… i think the whole thing is just a myth

  • Beej

    Gaz, I must confess to a mistake I made when commenting upon that which you wrote concerning the 1967 War. Somehow I confused it with the Yom Kippur conflict which happened a few years later. Mea culpa. I hate making such silly mistakes, but I am always ready to admit to them. If you would like to debate the 1967 war I would be happy to accommodate you.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tonto2 Tonto2

    You're allowed brother. This is America and you can think and say what you want….unlike some places. And I don't hold it against you, but please clarify when you say something like that. OK?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    gaz,

    That is the dumbest thing I have read on here in a long time. Crack open a history book, and you will see that there was NEVER a country called Palestine. Long before muslims invaded, that land belonged to the Jews, and was called Judea. The Romans conquered it and named the entire REGION, Palestine.

    About it being the same as what Hitler did, see that line about a history book. Hitler wanted to conquer the world and exterminate the people he felt were inferior to the Aryans. Please pull your head out of your ass.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    I understand those moral relativists perfectly. They are so enamored of the concept of utopia that they willingly shove their heads up their asses and use their cheeks as blinders to reality.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ChristopherL ChristopherL

    Kal El,
    He is a lost cause.

  • gaz

    but who is this person that crucified jesus?… where does he live… surely we could prosecute him…. even if he is two thousand years old. And we don't actually have any proof that would stand up in court. Tell the police … someone arrest him!

    go back to sleep mate!

  • gaz

    yes tonto2 i agree with you on that one at least!.. you can't beat freedom to believe what you want..

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Infidelesto Infidelesto

    illegal my ass. You know what's illegal? deliberately targeting civilians on a daily basis shooting rockets that terrorizes many towns in So.Israel. Can you imagine living everyday of your life wondering if a rocket will fall into your living room that morning? These are war crimes that the Media just doesn't really care about because they expect barbarism from Hamas, and therefore excuse their actions.

  • gaz

    so the muslims threw out the jews?.. when did that happen… I thought the partinig of the red sea and the flight of the jews happened in the old testament, I didn't know the muslims could be blamde for that as well

  • ender

    the arabs in Israel were citizens, then when egypt. syria and the rest of the muslim arab world said they were going to push Israel into the sea, they warned the muslim arabs to leave and they can come back when they were done. so these so called "palestinians" moved into refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordon (they didn't let them move in and get comfortable), the muslims of course lost, but keep the palestinians in camps to parade for the media and sympathy. so they gave up that citizenship thinking the would be in charge in a few short weeks, but again as we know the muslims couldn't field a football team let alone an army that could win a war. They say open Israels border in to gaza, how about egypt open theirs first.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kal_El Kal_El

    ender,

    LMAO @ "the muslims couldn't field a football team let alone an army that could win a war." If they did, they'd win every game by forfeit. No one wants to tackle a guy who may or may not explode on impact.

  • ender

    the muslim cheerleaders would be out there in their ninja suits jumping around. they would need extra time out for all the prayer breaks, with foot baths in both end zones (of course). the half time show would be the stoning of the cheerleaders for "dancing", this will help the teams "honor" for when they lose 85-0.

  • ender

    they have voting rights and they voted for hamas, A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, to be their government. nuff said, they are all terrorists and terrorist supporters who should get over and actually demand some land from their muslim brothers with some oil on it.

  • http://www.haha.org Islam is Violent

    There have been quite a few quieter articles on Hamas randomly executing people all over Gaza. They are going around killing people and shooting everyone else in the knees and legs. Ex-members of Fatah and anyone they suspect of aiding the Israelis. You have to remember that when Hamas can get civilians to stand atop building to stop a airstrike.. They literally are holding guns to the heads of women and children when necessary. The biggest baddest organization is Hamas and no one else can rise up because they'd get stamped on immediately.

    You either have to convince Hamas to go full diplomacy and give up manufacturing their "holy" weapons as one of their chiefs said recently. Or Fatah wins or Israel wins outright.

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