Pakistan: Child Suicide Bomber Kills 22 at Shiite Mosque

by Infidelesto on April 6, 2009 · Comments

Again, the biggest victims of Muslim atrocities are Muslims themselves, yet, how ironic is it that you have millions of non-violent “moderates” defending Islam vehemently instead of expending all their energy rooting out the evil within their own.  It’s a perpetual case of denial 

Daily Times

A 15 year-old murdered 22 Shia Muslims in a suicider attack in Pakistan.

A suicide bomber blew himself up at a Shia religious gathering in an Imambargah in Chakwal on Sunday, killing at least 22 people and wounding 60.

The attacker struck at the gates of a Shia mosque where some 1,200 people were attending a religious gathering, police said.

“Twenty-two precious lives have been lost in this attack,” Punjab police chief Shaukat Javed told reporters. He said a joint investigation team had been constituted to probe the attack.

The official said the suicide bomber appeared to be a 15-year-old boy whose legs and head, with damage to the face, had been found at the blast site.

Local Shiites burned a US flag in protest. go figure.  Blame the US for Muslims killing Muslims.

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Reuters

Pakistani Shi’ite Muslims burn a U.S flag during a protest against the bomb blast at a Shi’ite religious centre in Chakwal, in Lahore April 5, 2009. A suicide bomber blew himself up at a gathering of minority Shi’ite Muslims in Pakistan on Sunday killing 22 people, police said. 

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  • Hussy
    Mashaaallah
  • Hussy
    Hahahaha yeah thats why we call it the Religion of Peace : 0 )
  • Hussy
    hahahahahahahaaha thats why we call it the RELigiON of peace : - ) LMAO

    Hussy (Ex- Muzlim )
  • julius
    Hey they the Pakistanis burned our flag,Thats not right but understandable,When Hippies did it in the 60's that really hurt a lot of Americans who were for the fight of Communisim in South East Asia,"Whew" we got over it,That was our problem based on Politics,Greed ,Corruption,buisness as usuall,But WAKE THE FUCK UP AMERICA! The Enemy,Traitors,Dangerous Religous Leaders are Here on our soil waiting,plotting,converting nieve,uneducated and vunerable Americans to THIER cause of Global Religious Domination and Conformity,Distruping our economic system,Using our Laws and freedom in a twisted way to gain leverage for "THIER "cause,What the Fuck you Do over in "YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD",We really dont give a Camels Shit,But REmember one Thing,"Dont Tread on ME,or better yet US the U.S.
  • JEWHAWK
    Julius wrote:

    "Remember one Thing,"Dont Tread on ME,or better yet US the U.S"

    Hear,hear!
    Dear Julius,your country need MORE patriots such yourself.Enough
    of obeying the EUROPEANS for haven's sake!!
    They don't give a damn about America's well-being,but to BLAME
    you for everything.

    Obama,by the way,acts and thinks like an European.A socialistic one!!
    Even blaming America for the past 200 years...I guess he's kinda
    embarrassed to be an American (Is he?Really?A guy with a HUSSEIN
    as his middle name?),just in order to APPEASE viciously ANTI-AMERICAN
    audiences during his so-called "European Tour".
    Good grief...
  • GeorgeOfTheJungle
    Shukri goes on and on about how peaceful islam is and how any atrocities committed by muslims are to be blamed on the west or on Christians or on the crusaders or on past colonization... always an excuse to defer the blame away from islam on to someone else. This is the way islam always works... befuddling the argument with Taqqiya, so that all the blame for the bombings, murders, honour killngs, decapitations, rapes, beatings, hands and heads being cut off in the name of allah is diverted on to the shoulders of the west.
    If you want to see how a so-called "modern" arabic country treats its citizens and its workers (slavery, no less) have a look at this disturbing article out in a British newspaper today. It's true, because I have been to Dubai - and it is awful: shallow and expensive - money being made on the backs of poor Pakistanis, Indians and Banglas.
    Here is the link to this eye-opener on "modern" islam:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-...
  • Shukri
    I've always condemned atrocities perpetrated by Muslims and have never blamed it on the west.

    However, I am not so naive to believe that the west is a purely innocent party.
  • Tonto
    Why should the west be innocent??? We were attacked, not the other way around. This muz crap has been going on for 40 years...and in that time the west (read USA here) has done more to help muz in bad situations than ANY OTHER ENTITY ON EARTH. Refute that statement, I dare you! What have the muz done....spit in our face. Well, screw the muz. Obama may not be at war with those scumbags, but I certainly am. I spit in their faces! God help any puke (muz scumsucker or otherwise)I can get my hands on that tries to burn or disrespect my flag!
  • Shukri
    The US has definitely done good in the world. However, this is not a sufficient excuse to disregard the bad that it been done.

    90,000 innocent people killed in Iraq alone, on the pretext of wmd. That's completely immoral and wrong.
  • Tonto
    Cut the crap. The US didn't kill all those people....the frickin muz did. You know how we could tell who was murdered? If they were shia, they were killed with power drills or some hi-tech method. If they were sunni, they were butchered with knives, guns or burned to death. The US wasn't murdering people, they'd go in and attack fighters and kill them, gun muzzle to gun muzzle, but all the 90,000 murders committed in Iraq were done by muz to muz. Save your BS for people stupid as you are and too lazy to research. US troops have probably killed less than 20,000, all of them fighters and most of them foreigners that went to Iraq thinking they could easily kill Americans there.....oooopsie, that didn't work. So now they've basically decamped to Pakistan and Afghanistan so they can still kill people and not have to face Americans and get their butts kicked. That ain't working out for them too well either.
  • Shukri
    Again, please don't scapegoat others for the US invasion of Iraq.
  • Tonto
    Iraq had it coming. Everybody in the world thought there were WMDs there. At least Bush had the guts to say "Nope, Didn't find any". No muz would have guts like that because it would "make them look bad". As far as your unmitigated BS about how muz feel about us westerners.....go to this site and just see what this Kuwaiti clown says: http:// www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0861ff3ea... Then tell me what YOU think this prick is saying. Understand??
  • Shukri
    Actually, no one in the world believed the Bush administrations WMD claims. It has been a total fraud from the beginning, and only the gullible have swallowed the neocon pitch.
  • SirWilhelm
    Gas is a WMD. Saddam used gas on his own Kurdish ethnic people. This was well documented in the news at that time. People like you conveniantly ignore that. There was evidence that he was developing other WMDs, and he'd already used gas. Bush decided it was better to take out Saddam than risk him using WMDs again. He had fired Scuds at Israel after all, what if they'd had gas warheads? What if he did develop other WMDs and decided to fire them at Israel again? Like Iran may do any day now, remember, they have publicly stated they want to see Israel destroyed? Do you want that too, Shukri?
  • Shukri
    Saddam gassed the Kurds (he was targetting, interestingly enough, Peshmerga "insurgents") in 1988.

    http://tinyurl.com/9d3hj

    It's quite a stretch of the imagination to believe that the US only retaliated for this in 2003.

    as for Iran, they have never offensively attacked another nation in modern history. The same cannot be said of the US, Britain or Israel.
  • SirWilhelm
    I'm blown away with the compassion you express for the women and children that died in these attacks. Are you saying it's justified to use WMDs on insurgents? I must pass this on to the US military.

    I didn't say the US retaliated for this. Again you construe or misunderstand, since you do so consistantly, I can't help wondering if it's deliberate.

    Iran's president has stated many times how he wants to see Israel and the US destroyed, which is why he's developing nuclear weapons. It's taqqiya to say otherwise.
  • Beejj
    YOU, a Muslim, condemn gullibility????? What could be more gullible than setting store by the rantings of a nasty little man emerging from a cave to spin a web of deceit for his own aggrandisement? Dr Goebbels must have been breathless with admiration as he contemplated the achievements of Mr Mohammed. The Ark Royal business pales into insignificance by comparison.

    Can you show us PROOF that there existed no foundation for the belief in the existence of Saddam's possession of WMDs prior to the invasion of Iraq? You might say that there can be no proof for their non-existence, but be careful lest I use your argument against your belief in God.

    The fact that such weapons were never found proves only that they were never found. Big place, Iraq. And Syria and Iran are next door ....

    What astonishes me is that the Muslim incumbent of the White House and his side-kick bin Biden frown upon Israel's seeming determination to eradicate Iran's WMDs, while continuing to support American presence in Iraq........... Spot of hypocrisy at work?

    As I have previously said, America and its allies should not squander a single soldier trying to bring democracy to any Muslim country, for their efforts are doomed to failure. Islam and Democracy are polar opposites. The allies might preen themselves in the knowledge that they brought about the fall of Saddam, but once the troops have departed it will be business as usual in Mesopotamia, and thousands of parents in America and Britain, etc will have a few questions to ask.

    I wonder if "nomadique" will roundly condemn me for writing these words: if he will damn me as a bigot or xenophobe; or point out my failure to display an open mind; or if he may lay claim to my not trying to deal with that which you wrote. Let's see how he views your response.
  • Shukri
    The WMD were invented as a pretext to get at Iraq's oil resources.

    Haven't you wondered why oil companies have posted profits in the tens of billions of dollars for the past few years?
  • Beejj
    I repeat, Shukri: give us PROOF of your assertion.

    Following this, nomadique?
  • Shukri
    I don't have proof, as this is not a case that has been taken to court.

    However, it's notable that oil companies started experiencing record profits immediately after the Iraq war. For example:

    "Soaring oil prices lifted Chevron Corp.'s annual profit to $18.7 billion in 2007, the fourth consecutive year that the San Ramon company made record amounts of money."

    http://tinyurl.com/4y8pes
  • Beejj
    Of course you do not have proof, since none exists. You are bullshit from beginning to end. After all, you ARE Muslim, so it is to be expected. The entire religion you follow is bullshit. Pigshit?
  • Shukri
    Sorry, abuse does not an argument make.
  • Beejj
    That's not abuse, Shukri: it is a considered opinion. Abuse is something Muslim males do to their women.
  • Shukri
    Please don't stereotype.

    No intelligent person holds the entire US military in contempt for the actions of a few soldiers.

    http://tinyurl.com/dxsqz4
  • Beejj
    Don't lecture me, Shukri. You are not old enough. Even in Australia I see thousands of Muslim women - the vast majority of them - clad in those hideous garments forced upon them lest other men catch a glimpse of their hair or their feminine forms. This is, in my view, abuse of women. What is wrong with you Muslim men? Are you SO sexually inadequate? Are you so mistrusting of women that you must treat them this way? You have a very simplistic view of things. In your eyes, if "only" 49.9% of Muslims behave offensively you will say that criticism is not in order because the majority behave respectably (I wish!).
  • Shukri
    Muhammad Ali told his daughter:

    "Hana, everything that Allah made valuable in the world is covered and hard to get to. Where do you find diamonds? Deep down in the ground covered and protected. Where do you find pearls? Deep down at the bottom of the ocean covered up and protected in a beautiful shell. Where do you find gold? Way down in the mine, covered over with layers and layers of rock. You've got to work hard to get to them."

    He looked at me with serious eyes. "Your body is sacred. You're far more precious than diamonds and pearls, and you should be covered too."

    http://tinyurl.com/clxh4f
  • Beejj
    Very stirring stuff, Shukri. I am beside myself with repentance. The trouble is, though, Mr Mohammed said lots of things, few of which strike a chord in the minds of those who value fairness. Bit of a tyrant, Mr Mohammed, when you think about it. A very nasty piece of work indeed. Yup, Momammed should go to the mountain, but the mountain should fall upon the vicious piece of shit.
  • Beejj
    By the way, what did dear old Mr Mohammed have to say about air and water and sheep? Are they subterranean too? God! Th e man was something, wasn't he?
  • Shukri
    Again, the whole should not be stereotyped for the actions of a few. For example, no intelligent person holds the entire US military in contempt for what some soldiers engage in.

    http://tinyurl.com/dxsqz4
  • Tonto
    I get it now! You just come here to practice lying!!!
    What about the clown with all those dish rags on his head....what do you think he's talking about? Do you think, maybe we should have let Saddam kill a bunch more Kuwaitis before we kicked his ass out of there....they're pretty ungrateful wretches. And ignorant as hell too.
  • Shukri
    The US helping Kuwait is a good thing. But what that have to do with the invasion and occupation of Iraq?

    90,000 Iraqis killed probably mean nothing to you, but imagine how you feel about terrorists murdering 3,000 Americans on 9/11 and reverse the feeling to the Iraqi side, with the additional multiple of casualties.

    There's some justified anger right there.
  • Tonto
    The Americans didn't do it, the stupid Iraqis did it to each other. It is something that has been "brewing" under Saddam for years, like the slaughter in the Balkans had been. Personally, I think the Serbs had the right idea....but CLINTON made them stop. Muz killing muz does bother me, only because it spills over to civilization sometimes, but don't blame their savagery and barbarity on me and mine. The islamic animals act like angry gangsters because that's what their phony religion teaches them. It's INTERNAL. America only interfered because we thought that WMDs would be too messy if it spilled over. Nobody made any big noises when Iran and Iraq slaughtered 8 MILLION in their 10 year war.....like who cared? The muz had already spilled out of their sandbox once too many times on 9/11, that's why the US became involved. Get it? The muz can kill each other all day long and I don't care, and neither does anyone else. It's just when they kill real people that they get a reaction. Sounds contemptuous doesn't it? Good. And it's just about how the rest of the world views those pitiful excuses for human beings.
  • Shukri
    Come on, do you honesly believe that the US is innocent of killing and torture in Iraq?
  • Tonto
    Killing yes...and quite frankly I think muz prisoners are a waste of time and effort. Torture no. Those scum at Abu Graib weren't tortured any worse that frat boys at an initiation.
  • Kal_El
    No, I do not. But I also know that war is hell, and mistakes are made. The
    difference is that the US punishes our soldiers for their criminal acts,
    when evidence is available. Unlike the muslim jihadis who kill civilians
    intentionally, across the globe (Argentina comes to mind, Mumbai also, along
    with THOUSANDS of other instances).
  • Kal_El
    George,

    I visited Dubai, had a Lebanese girlfriend that went back to Lebanon. The
    article neglects to mention the Lebanese, Jordanian, Syrians etc... (fellow
    Arabs?) also treated like slaves. I have a friend who is a bartender in
    Beirut, who went to work in a bank in Dubai, with the promise of a good
    salary and an apartment with one roommate. When he got there they took his
    passport and put him in a small villa with 11 others, and charged him 700
    bucks a month rent. His supposedly good salary was 1200 a month, for a 6
    day, 12 hour shift work week.

    Had it not been for the discovery of cheap oil and liquid natural gas, no
    one would give a rats ass about the Arab world. Sad truth is, they have
    contributed nothing to society in the last 5 centuries. The lone exception
    is Lebanon, but they are so close to Europe, they are more Mediterranean
    than Arab.
  • Tonto
    I just love this crap. A muz kills muz so it's because or US influence or Israeli interference... I need to have some muz puke tell me how THAT convoluted logic works, cause, evidently, I'm too damn dumb for figure it out. The silver lining in this cloud is that if somebody has to die to satisfy some muz need for murder, at least it's other muz, in this case anyway.
  • Kal_El
    Tonto,

    I know the first step to believing that logic involves shoving your head up your ass. But I know you aren't THAT flexible ;p
  • Shukri
    You have got to be kidding. When a Christian walks into a church and starts blowing people away, do the people have to "root out Christianiaty"?

    http://tinyurl.com/cvcxyp

    Extremism is the problem here, not religion.
  • SirWilhelm
    I'd like to point out that we've often seen individual Islamic clergy declare jihad on whomever they please. Do we see the clergy of any other religion do this? No country not run by Muslims would allow their clergy to declare war on their own, but the governments and peoples of Muslim countries do. The religion of Islam IS the problem
  • Shukri
    In Islam, only the rightful ruler may declare Jihad.

    http://tinyurl.com/d5dx4m
  • SirWilhelm
    So, name me a "rightful ruler" that "may declare Jihad. And you still haven't answered if you're a Sunni or a Shia.
  • Shukri
    A rightful ruler is any legitimate authority in a country. For example, the President or Prime Minister.
  • Tonto
    OK Shukri, so tell me about this....since 9/11, there have been 13,015 jihadi (muslim) attacks. From Mar 27 to Apr 3 (a typical week) there were 41 jihadi attacks in which 194 people were killed and 346 people critically injured. (The funny part is that most of it is muz on muz!!!) In islam this is normal. No big deal. Killing like this is such a daily occurrence that everybody wonders why there isn't more explosions and blood spatter, right? If they don't hear gunshots, or of "honor killings" or car bombs or suicide bombs they wonder what's wrong right? What you have just demonstrated here dear Shukri, is that you are a sham and a liar. You compare the savagery and barbarity of islam with anything else in the world and you fall way short. You are, in my most humble opinion, one sorry excuse for a human being. You disgust me.
  • Shukri
    The least estimated toll of the Iraq war is greater than the sum of your fanciful figures.

    http://tinyurl.com/g3ede
  • Tonto
    Have you actually read what you're talking about? I think not, you're not that smart. The numbers cited at the "tinyurl.com" are the death toll in Iraq all right, but the killings they speak to are muz killing muz.....not Americans killing muz. Look at it! Really look at it! Who's the idiot here??? You give me numbers that support what I say! Go back to that site an LOOK>>>>>it's muz bombing mosques! It's muz bombing weddings! It's muz bombing markets and schools!!!
  • Shukri
    The killings in Iraq were precipitated by the American invasion and occupation. Please don't scapegoat everybody else.
  • Tonto
    Please! Try not to talk to me like I'm an idiot that believes your bull shit. There are muz all over the world killing other muz for the same things that muz are killing muz in Iraq for....and there ain't no Americans for a thousand miles. Americans don't get muz going on killing people ....the f%$#ing koran does! The mullabators get the muz killing other muz. One kind of muz thinks the other kind of muz ain't "muz" enough or something so it's OK to kill them....that's all the muz idiots need....a target.
  • Shukri
    Unfortunately, the US must realize that it cannot invade, bomb and kill other people, and then try to scapegoat others for the mess it created.

    Rather, the US should take responsibility for it's actions and admit it's mistakes.
  • Kal_El
    The Iraqis were killing each other while we were trying to contain the
    vacuum created by the absence of Saddam. It is what muslims do, when no
    infidels are available. See Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan and you will see I
    am not exaggerating.

    Perhaps the Iraqis would have been better off remaining under his tyranny,
    with rape rooms and what not?
  • Shukri
    The M.E is relatively peaceful when the western hordes aren't invading, bombing and occupying.
  • SirWilhelm
    You've said you're a student, Shukri, so here's a little history:

    The "Holy Land" has been fought over since the beginning of civilization. The Sumerians, Babylonians, and Assyrians were involved in the first disputes, always in the names of their "gods". Eventually, The Jews took it from the Canaanites, as God's promised land to them, and others living there at the time. The Romans conquered them and expelled them when they continually rebelled. The Muslims took it over in turn, and the Christians tried to take it from them. Jews came back in '48 and took it back. So there is much precendent for taking and holding this land by force.

    Muslim Arab countries attacked Israel in '67 and '73 because they wanted to destroy the Jewish state. Israel's enemies were embarassed that the tiny state defeated the numerically superior armies of Syria, Jordan and Egypt on the field of battle. Just like Saddam's huge army was defeated in Desert Storm and by a couple of US divisions in the Iraq invasion. It's been proven time and again that modern Islamic armies can't defeat their enemies in the field. Which is why the Muslim world has resorted to terrorism.

    For whatever reason, the US supports Israel, this is the real reason Muslims are in conflict with the US. And the conflict will continue as long as Muslims refuse to accept the Israeli's right to exist as a state, which they have won for themselves, or until Muslims succeed in destroying Israel. If Muslim is a relgion of peace, why can't they accept the reality of the situation and learn to live with it the way the Christians have learned to accept the existance of the Jewish state in what is also their "Holy Land"? I'm sure you'll find something in your doctrine to answer this for now, but since you're probably a young sutdent, hopefully you'll outgrow your ideology someday.

    In the meantime, maybe we should be asking ourselves why this little strip of land is so important? Why is it considered "Holy" to the 3 major religions in conflict over it, and why has it been so important down through history? Most of us know of the axiom that history tends to repeat itself, is that what's happening here? If so, perhaps there is something we can learn from history if looked at objectively.
  • Shukri
    Here's the more pertinent history.

    In the 19th century, even before the Holocaust, some Jewish thinkers such as Theodor Herzl realized that they could never live in peace with European Christians. He thus formulated the idea of a separate Jewish state.

    Most Jews did not pay much attention to him until anti-Jewish pogroms started escalating. This led to rapidly increasing illegal immigration in Palestine. The trend accelerated even more with the Holocaust, finally leading to a confrontation between Jewish settler/refugees from Europe and the Arab natives of the Holy Land.

    Then you have the results of the confrontations. The Jewish settler/refugees won and occupied the land. Hundreds of thousands of Arab refugees were created in the West Bank and Gaza, and the situation is what it is today.

    Sources:
    http://tinyurl.com/cbu7uv
    http://tinyurl.com/cbqr3a
    http://tinyurl.com/d2dytv
  • Kal_El
    LIAR! The middle east has been soaked in blood for the last three millenia!
    When there was NO UNITED STATES, the pedophile Muhammad was busy
    slaughtering the NATIVE Jews in Arabia. His followers spread islam by the
    sword after his death as well. Not just in the middle least, but also into
    Pakistan, Afghanistan and to the West in North Africa.
  • Shukri
    Look at Indonesia with 200 million+ Muslims. No Muslim army ever set foot there. So, you either have a very active imagination, or you are extremely confused.

    Conversion by the sword is a Christian phenomena: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Jud...

    See the section "Christian Rule, the Inquisition and the Expulsion of 1492"
  • Shukri
    ...
  • Kal_El
    Nice try shukri, but that happens less than once for every muslim who does the same. I have yet to hear of a nutcase walking into a Church and shooting people as he shouts "In Jesus Name!" or "Thy Kingdom Come" yet we always hear about muslims blowing themselves up for allah, invoking his name ad nauseum "allahu akbar!". You can lie and dissemble all you want, but we see the truth.
  • Shukri
    Unfortunately, you can narrow the definition of atrocities so that it seems as if only Muslims commit them. However, for the record, the most terrible wars have been waged by Christians and atheists. Look at World War 1 and 2, the Chinese civil war etc.
  • Beejj
    Shukri, you are a marvel! Kal just tore you into little pieces, but you have not the wit to recognise it. No-one, least of all Muslims, require a definition of "atrocities". Muslims are its masters, as we see almost every day. How many Christianity-driven atrocities can you identify over the past year? Come on; don't be shy. Purge yourself (and in doing so perjure yourself).

    You speak of the "terrible wars". Were they wars of religion? Did one lot say, "We believe in this religious stuff," while another lot retorted, "Hell's teeth! We believe in something other than that, so let's go to war on religious grounds." Did such beliefs cause WWI and WWII? Is that what you think, you poor misguided fool? The wars perpetrated by Muslims against Jews were of a purely religious nature, so don't try to hide from the truth.

    What do you know about what you call the "Chinese Civil War"? Do you think it had anything to do with religion? Was it driven by atheism? Mao and Chiang might have been atheists, but their non-belief did not precipitate that struggle. Was the rape of Nanking (Nanjing) caused by "belief" in atheism? Give me a single instance of the legions of atheism going forth unto battle in the cause of atheism.
  • Shukri
    You, as a presumably secular humanist, interpret acts of violence by Muslims to be "Islamic" while conveniently excusing the religion of everybody else.

    Is objectivity even a value that you hold?
  • Beejj
    Give me examples of violence perpetrated, over the past 50 years, in the name of a religion other than Islam.
  • Shukri
    Do you excuse violence when it is for non-religious causes?
  • Beejj
    Why should I?

    Answer the questions, old fellow.
  • Shukri
    This is what you seem to be saying: "violence is ok so long as it's not religiously motivated".

    How can you possibly justify such a viewpoint?
  • Beejj
    Your comprehension skills are sadly wanting, Shukri. It's idiotic for people to claim violence must never be resorted to, for violence is often the only antidote to violence. Witness WWII: I contend that the Allied cause was praiseworthy in that conflict, just as I praise Israel's defence of its people against Muslim hostility. Just now, as a civilised man, I look upon Muslim encroachment as a threat to everything I hold dear and in the defence of which millions have given their lives or suffered hideous mutilation. Muslims can torture and kill and chop bits off other Muslims till they are blue in the face, and while I marvel at their insane cruelty and feel sick to the guts, particularly when defenceless girls are brutalised in the name of your foul religion, as long as such internecine strife remains so I take the view that violence is a revolting business. When, however, I see my world threatened by you iron-age monsters I inwardly cry out for a general call to arms to wipe the lot of you off the face of the earth. Hypocrisy? Nope, survival instincts at work.
  • Shukri
    You must be living in a world of your own to be able to ignore all of the Muslims murdered in your country's quest for oil.

    Please keep in mind that killing people for their resources can only get you so far.
  • Beejj
    I'm still awaiting the details, Shukri.
  • Beejj
    Once again, you ignore what I wrote. You do the same to Tonto and Kal and Hellosnackbar. Tell me, though, about the West's murder of Muslims to get at the oil. No vacuous rantings, please; give me some hard facts. Remember, it must be about killing for the sake of oil wealth.

    History teaches us that killing people for their resources usually gets the resources .....
  • Beejj
    Extremist WHAT, Shukri?
  • nice...cite an article from way back in 2007. Between then and now I could cite THOUSANDS of attacks, crimes and atrocities committed by Muslims. I'm so sick and tired of those who use certain criminal instances to point out that there's relative extremism across all religions. What a f***ing LIE.

    You know, and we know, and you know that we know that Islam is the CORE of barbaric attacks, terrorism, inhumane treatment of it's people and disgusting ideology that breeds hatred towards non-Muslims and apostates.
  • Shukri
    I'm glad you don't deny that Christians are capable of doing bad things, as are all people.

    Why do you persist in denying that Muslims consider themselves to be peaceful people, and Islam to be a peaceful religion? The practitioners of a religion know more about the religion than others do. This is why there are things such as these: http://tinyurl.com/dxestd

    You should stop being so hateful towards Islam, my friend...
  • Tonto
    For a while I thought the muz problem was from some odd mindset from the core society that the muz came from that was causing all the turmoil, violence and murder. That theory doesn't really bear the light of day though. The common thread, since the violence worldwide seems to emanate from islam-dominated parts, and there is no commonality other than islam, is that the violence is generated by islam. There can be no other answer. How is it that the rest of the world, although violence and evil resides everywhere, the violence manifest comes nowhere near to the incidence and ferocity in the islamic world? Mass murder is almost a DAILY occurance in muz land. Why is that? Teachings of Big Mo and the koran....that's what.
  • hellosnackbar
    Yet if there were no religion there would be no extremists madmen who believe the mythical Allah on their side.
    There's a site called the annotated Koran you shouldread it and laugh out loud(if you have an open mind).
    But beware it's possibly the work of mischievous djinns.
  • Shukri
    If religion were eliminated, we'd just have madmen like Mao who killed tens of millions of people.

    It is the absence of God-mindfulness that causes terrible things to happen.
  • Beejj
    Shukri, history drips with the blood of those who died because of religion. Somewhere along the line the Jews and Christians came to their senses, however, unlike you lot who are so imprisoned by your slavish adherence to your cock-eyed prophet. Yes, people kill each other every day, but Muslims kill for the greater glory of Islam. See the difference?
  • Shukri
    Of course, you ignore the work of scholars such as Robert Pape of the University of Chicago, who studied every suicide terrorist attack and concluded that:

    "FACT: Every suicide terrorist campaign has had a clear goal that is secular and political: to compel a modern democracy to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland.

    FACT: Suicide terrorism is not primarily a product of Islamic fundamentalism."

    http://www.amazon.com/Dying-Win-Strategic-Suici...
  • Beejj
    Ah, that's OK, then.

    I confess to knowing as much about Robert Pape as you know about science, although, unlike you, I shall endaevour to discover something about the man. I ponder ........ a Muslim child is fitted with explosives to detonate at the ideal moment. Has that child any reason for doing so other than that which has been force-fed him/her by ignorant parents Do you imagine the little one has any conception of political thought?

    You say that Mr Pape has "studied EVERY suicide attack. Busy boy, Mr Pape. I tell my students to bullshit for all their worth, but never to believe their own bullshit. Stop believing your own bullshit, Shukri.
  • Shukri
    My bad, Mr. Pape has in fact, "created the first comprehensive database of every suicide terrorist attack in the world from 1980 until today."

    http://www.amazon.com/Dying-Win-Strategic-Suici...

    Conclusions:

    FACT: Every suicide terrorist campaign has had a clear goal that is secular and political: to compel a modern democracy to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland.

    FACT: Suicide terrorism is not primarily a product of Islamic fundamentalism.
  • Monthly Jihad Report For March

    March 2009 Jihad Attacks: 169

    Countries: 19

    Religions: 5

    Dead Bodies: 686

    Critically Injured: 953

    Shukri piss off.
  • Shukri
    Can you compile a similar statistic for those Muslims killed by western invasions?

    You can start here: http://tinyurl.com/g3ede
  • Kal_El
    That's cute, send a link to Iraqbody count. What about the 300000 killed by
    Saddam, prior to his being disposed of? How about the million or so enslaved
    by the Berbers? And the hundreds of thousands being killed by muslims in
    Africa?
  • Shukri
    Other people's atrocities don't excuse the atrocities perpetrated by the west.
  • Kal_El
    No one here has ever claimed they do. Time and again the US admits the wrong
    doing in its infancy. We even went to war to abolish slavery. With
    ourselves. Keep talking in circles though, it is quite amusing.

    Regarding islam in Indonesia, how it came to be dominant there is
    inconclusive at best. Traders brought it with them. Natives adopted it. It
    spread slowly. Much like what is happening in Europe. They come in, take
    over a prosperous land, and draw it into the 7th century gutter. Much like
    modern day Indonesia.
  • JEWHAWK
    SHUKRI wrote:

    "If religion were eliminated"...

    No,I just want to eliminate YOURS.

    "madmen like Mao "
    You just CAN'T accuse anyone of being "mad" because your
    ENTIRE RELIGION as a whole is a TREATISE of sheer
    lunacy.
  • Whether they are religious or not, It is the absence of Judeo-Christian values that causes terrorism. Even good willed athiests had to have gotten their ideals and values from somewhere. Religious ideologies and beliefs can be debated all day long, but the values they share are one in the same. Even my Athiest grandpa admits that although he doesn't believe in God, he acknowledges the shared value system of freedom, education, science, liberty and good will that athiests, agnostics, Jews, Hindus, and Christians who live in "western" society all share.
  • julius
    Just remember what John Lennon wrote,Imagine no Religion.
  • Shukri
    It is definitely true that the west has great freedoms.

    However, it is not right to ignore the havoc wreaked by western colonialism on Muslim indigenous peoples and the indigenous peoples of North America.
  • Beejj
    Tell us about the havoc wreaked by Western Colonialism upon Muslim indigenous peoples, please. I know full-well the destruction visited upon the indigenous peoples of North America and South America and Central America and Australia and New Zealand and what we now call Britain, but I look upon it as an expression of technological superiority of the times. The conquerors were men of their time, just as were the bloodthirsty Muslim fanatical warriors who spread east from Saudi Arabia, destroying ancient Buddhist shrines and statues as they used the sword to advance. The world has turned a few times, though. No longer do the forces of Christianity endeavour to blaze their trail by coercing people of other beliefs to its will. Yes, there are missionaries who attempt to bring others to the fold, but they do not resort to violence to gain converts. They do not visit torture and death upon those who turn from their religion. Christians are guided by love of people because their God is the God of love and forgiveness. They are ever willing to open their arms to sinners. This is an atheist speaking!

    Do you envy the freedoms of the West? You should. Lots of Muslims flock here, but the crazy thing is that once there, they yearn for Islamic stifling of basic rights that we in the West take for granted. Idiotically, the West pays them respect!
  • Shukri
    Dude, literally millions of Muslims have been killed in western hegemonical campaigns. You can't just ignore them under the pretext that they aren't religiously inspired. Atrocities are only perpetrated by those lacking religion, whether those people pretend to be religious, or pretend to be atheists.

    http://tinyurl.com/2w9j86
  • Beejj
    Examples, please.

    Atrocities are only perpetrated by those lacking religion? You do not consider what happened in mediaeval Spain, or by the Crusaders to be atrocities? The Crusaders pretended to be Christians? A very expensive pretence!

    Why do you never answer the questions you are asked? Unable to? You are as bad as xkon, another fruitcake we entertained on this site some time ago.
  • Kal_El
    Beej,

    The original intent of the Crusades was to retake Spain from the occupying
    Moors. Yes atrocities were committed, but it happened on both sides.

    I believe that Shukri is trying to claim The Holocaust was a Christian
    atrocity. OOPS!! Hitler was a fan of Muhammad! Or perhaps the Armenian
    Genocide. OOPS!! That was perpetrated by the Ottomans (muslims). About the
    only one I could come up with is the conquest of the Americas by the
    British, Spanish, Portugues and French.
  • Beejj
    You have taught me something, Kal. I thought the original Crusades were to free the holy land from the Muslim scum in about 1100 or so. It goes to show how ignorant I can be.

    Shukri is a sad case, quite lost to reason, but that is par for the course in the Islamic world. Islam forbids questioning, and that is its abiding weakness. Just think of the infant Shukri and all the others, sitting on their parents knees, absorbing the terrifying lunacy that poured forth. Did he or they ever stop to ponder the intellectual level of their parents? Did they ask their parents the source of their belief? I truly feel sorry for him. Imagine: a 21st century man who places such credence in 7th Century superstition. The mind boggles. So indoctrinated is he that he cannot see the evil emanating from that he was brainwashed into believing. He is incapable of distinguishing between dogma and logic, so thorough was the job his parents performed upon him.

    If there is anything in my life of which I am proud, it is my refusal to raise my children as believers, despite the pressures on me to do so.
  • Kal_El
    I may be off on the timeline, but I remember reading it somewhere that the
    first goal was retaking Spain, followed by the Holy Land. I'll have to look
    into it.
  • Kal_El
    So? Literally millions have died at the hands of the muslim caliphate,
    muslim terrorism, islamist expansion, islamic sectarian conflict, islamic
    honor killings etc...
  • Shukri
    Again, one atrocity does not excuse another.
  • Kal_El
    NO ONE HERE SAYS THAT. Are you daft?
  • Shukri
    If no one is saying that, then why all the Muslim-bashing?
  • Necrowulf
    If you didn't say that, then why all the western bashing?

    Westernophobia perhaps?
  • Shukri
    Look at the front page of this blog, its unfortunately, all about hating on Muslims.
  • Kal_El
    How is the title "Indfidels Are Cool" and a bunch of links, to our posts, to
    our fellow bloggers, to our popular articles, our sponsors and subscription
    options, and our ads hating on muslims? If you mean "hating" on their
    violent jihad, mistreatment of women and children, hatred of Jews,
    Christians, and non-muslims in general, that is not "hating on" that is
    EXPOSING EVIL.
  • hellosnackbar
    Hate is a transitive verb Shukri ;meaning it has an object unless it a noun.
    The preposition "on" is poor english in your post.


























































    Hate is a transitive verb Shukri.
    It is poor english to use the preposition "on "in your post,
    And "its"meaning it is ;is aso poor it should be it's.
    Pedantry is painful isn't it.
  • Shukri
    Hey, what can I say, I'm still a student. Thank you for the correction, though. I'll try to keep it in mind.
  • hellosnackbar
    You confuse hate for contempt Shukri.
    Most people here don't hate muslims
    (hate is an expensive and worthless emotion)
    We are LAUGHING at Islam as a cult embraced by idiots,
    Clowns in an unholy circus of the insane.
  • Shukri
    I'm happy that you're happy but, unfortunately, my reality is very different. Anti-Muslim hatred has definitely increased on the street, and the views of Muslim-bashing blogs have now gone mainstream.

    I'm fully expecting American Muslims to eventually have to deal with incidents such as these (http://tinyurl.com/dlq8a). It's only a matter of time.
  • Tonto
    And I hope.....soon.
  • Kal_El
    Oh? Are Christians routinely dragging muslism through the streets, cutting
    their heads off, stoning them, blowing themselves up in mosques, raping
    their women and blaming it on the women's attire, and calling for muslims to
    be killed for insulting Jesus?

    Your reality is based on a fantasy.
  • Kal_El
    LOL!!! I pictured an exploding clown car full of jihadis just now, when I
    read your post, and that classic circus song playing as the car drove up to
    whatever their target du jour is. A small VW beetle from the 70's
    crammedwith 13 jihadis, all wearing clown pants and vests with explosives
    strapped to them. They don't get out of the car however, they just detonate,
    one initially, and the other dozen un rapid succession.
  • hellosnackbar
    Thanks Kal that would make a terrific cartoon!
  • Uh no. We expose the truth about Islam. We don't hate Muslims. Only the ideology
  • Kal_El
    But it is right to ignore the havoc islam wreaked, and continues to wreak in
    Africa? Europe?
  • Beejj
    Right, John. The modern views of Christianity bring many benefits (although the Church of Rome should be nuked). I wish I were sufficiently imaginative and clever to write an account of how our world might be had there never been religion. Some would shudder in horror at such an idea, but I am not so sure we'd all be living under the likes of Mao and Stalin and Pol Pot.
  • SirWilhelm
    Do you see this Shukri? Which side are you on, Sunni or Shia? Is this your religion of peace at work? Anxiously waiting your response.
  • JEWHAWK
    More 22 muslims dead...what an excellent news!!

    Muslims killing muslims isn't an atrocity,but a FAVOR for
    all of us.
    Muslims killing non-muslims is,indeed,an atrocity.
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