Pakistan: Muslim men who gang-raped a 13 year-old Christian girl are declared “innocent”

Pakistan is not a muslim country.... only 25% of its citizens are muslims..........the others are just for name sake..........the whole world knows that there has never been a fair judgement in pakistan...the rich, the famous,the popular,the strong,the wealthy always win....not only raping, they do sins far beyond that.. so how they r muslims...muslims r not to be blamed for the behavour of Raucous people who call themselves muslims....if u want to see true muslims, see in all the countries of north america,south america,europe, and middle asia(turkmanistan,kyrgystan,kazakhstan,afghanistan etc) ,bangladesh and all ARAB countries excluding some like saudi arabia, nigeria,etc..........true muslims rarely exist in countries like pakistan,india, saudi arabia(except makkah and madina), etc

You don't get it do you abc!
But for the dead hand of venal, corrupt,uneducated muslim clergy countries like Paki might make some progress.
The problem is Islamic culture and its barbaric effect on the poor souls who crave civilisation.

HEY GUYS, AS YOU MIGHT BE AWARE THESE FOOLS HAVE A RAPIST AND A PEADEPHILE AS THEIRPROPHET WHOM THEY RESPECT ABOVE THEIR FUCKIN ALLAH.HE THE BARBARIAN USED TO ATTACK INOCENT TRAVELLERS ROB ,LOOT ,KILL THE MEN RAPE THE WOMEN,AND SELL THEM AS SLAVES.MOHAMAD THE BASTERED WAS A SLAVE TRADER. ANY THING AND EVERY THING YOU CAN EXPECT OF A CRIMINAL THIS SWINE DID.IF THERE EVER WILL BE A HELL IT IS PREPARED FOR THIS RAT.HE EVEN RAPED A NINE YEAR OLDGIRL.YET THESE BRAIN WASHED BARBARIANSWILL PRAISE HIS FUCKIN NAME. I AM NOT RELIGIOUS,I SAY ALL RELIGIONS WE WELCOME YOU EXCEPT FOR THIS SAITANIC CULT THAT IS THE ENEMY OF MANKIND.

u mother fucker ..bitch ,.. asshole.. dick..nude........go n fuck ur mother...as ur religion says...dont say anything to other religions u son of gay n a lesbian

It's because Islam condones it.Everything against infidels are Ok to them.

Let's just put it this way folks....

IF, and I mean IF, the so-called "moderate Muslims" would actually stand up and state the fact that they are "peaceful" and "loving" people and absolutely lambaste the extremists... then and ONLY then... would any argument that Muslims are a "good and peaceful people" even hold any water!!! But, until that time... your silence is your opinion... and to me (and A LOT of others) it simply means that you agree.

Put that in your turban and smoke it!

Signed...
FED UP WITH POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AND LYING ISLAMOFASCISTS!!!

It is indeed shocking that these people were set free. I am a Muslim and I am from Pakistan. Islamic law has nothing to do with it. Your post has contradictions within itself. You say that this has to do with Islamic Law, and then you say things like these happen in Muslim countries. This is laughable because, there is NO Muslim country in the world where Islamic Law is completely and properly followed. This is one big reason why Muslims are getting massacred everywhere. There is no unity among Muslims. The good thing is that this is changing slowly. Atleast I can spot the change in my generation. A part of the Muslim youth is bringing the core values of Islam to the modern world and that too in a graceful and peaceful manner. I am referring specifically to Muslims living in the United States.

As for cutting the hand, you are exaggerating things. I am not denying that cutting the hand of the robber is the correct punishment but a fair judge always considers the state in which a crime was committed. There is a very famous incident in the history of Islam where a robber was caught in the era of the second Calip, Umar (may Allah be pleased with him). He did not order the cutting of the guy's hand when he came to know that he has no source of income and that if his hand is cut, there would be no means for him to earn money.

For example, in Pakistan, there are a lot of poor people, and some of them commit robberies out of frustration. They do not have any source of income and the government provides no help to them. In this situation, no has the right to cut that guy's hand because doing so will render him useless. Infact, he will become dependent on others around him and situation will become worse for him. Because the judiciary of Pakistan and some other countries is screwd up does not mean that Islamic Law is to blame for it.

Open your eyes and your mind. Try to analyze things logically and in perspective. It is easy to sit from the comfort of your home and rant about things you have no idea about.

Again, to make things crystal clear, there is no room for mercy for any of these people who committed the rape. They should be given the worst punishment possible for doing such a heinous crime.

Pakistani Muslim,
What is it about you people that have this ludicrous belief that Islam can solve all the world's problems?
You're thinking that ,that would be achieved by all the world becoming muslim no doubt!
The evidence supports the proposition that Islam is a synonymn for failure ;with
Pakistan a prime example(yes I've been there)a beautiful land made ugly by its stupid
venal corrupt inhabitants.
The solution(rather far fetched)is the abandonment of your imported ridiculous religion.
What muslims fail to see is that an Islam free world would be a better place.
But that's the problem! a Muslim who can think would logically become an apostate.

See, that's the whole problem with muslim community. They NEVER take responsibility for the actions of their community, but.....always defend what has been done wrong. Just like the 911 incident, not a single member of the muslim community came forward and apologized, but more than anybody else, they played the victim role.....pleeeeeeassseee !!! spare me.

Anyhow, I think the precedent of raping young girls was set by mohammad......didn't he marry a NINE year old girl?
Afterall, more muslims practice the following for mhammad than what has been led to believe.

And when a Muslim girl tries to adapt to her new American homeland by dressing like her peers and dating as all American teenagers do, she risks beatings and even death at the hands of males of her own family because, according to Islam, they are violating a concept of "honor".

And then there are those Muslims that have built camps in rural areas, with firing ranges, where they deny access to infidels.

And Muslims DEMAND special treatment for their faith in schools, factories and workplaces.

Just a few examples, and you can find incidents like these recorded on this site, or on the web, easily enough if you look, of how Muslims are bringing "core values of Islam" to America in a "graceful and peaceful" manner.

"there is NO Muslim country in the world where Islamic Law is completely and properly followed"

I would hate to see the "pure" form of Islamic Law, I guess we haven't seen the worst of it.

"This is one big reason why Muslims are getting massacred everywhere"

So if we had "pure" Islamic Law, there would be peace? muslims would suddenly stop massacring each other? Islamic Law is SICK and INHUMANE and anyone advocating Sharia does not belong in Western Society and deserves to stay in their mud huts and caves where they belong.

A part of the Muslim youth is bringing the core values of Islam to the modern world and that too in a graceful and peaceful manner

Yea, we see those "core" Islamic values at work on a daily basis, and they're far from "peaceful"

I am referring specifically to Muslims living in the United States.

Believe ANY religion you want, I don't care, but Political Islam has no place in America, and unfortunately for you, it's very difficult to take politics out of Islam because Islam isn't just a religion, it's a complete system with religious, legal, political, economic and military components. If your dream is to one day install Sharia into the American gov't, you can get your ass out of the country cause it's not welcome, and if there EVER was a chance for your plans to succeed, there would be war in this country because Americans will NEVER give up their freedoms that Sharia Law would absolutely take away from us. If you don't understand what the Constitution says or what the meaning of the Declaration of Independence was, then take a hike, you don't belong in America.

Open your eyes and your mind. Try to analyze things logically and in perspective. It is easy to sit from the comfort of your home and rant about things you have no idea about.

Typical Islamist response...What you don't seem to get is that it's YOU who are close minded. IT is YOU who fails to think with LOGIC and RATIONALE. I don't rant about anything. I bring FACTS to the table, something Muslims like yourself FAIL on every occasion when stating your argument. The only facts you have are evil rhetoric being spewed from the Hadiths and Koran...

If this isn't a closed minded rant then I don't know what one is. The tone of your text really couldn't get anymore hateful. It is people like you who make assimilation into our beautiful country extremely difficult. Don't forget that your ancestors at one point had to hear the same hateful spew that you produce. No one culture except England's culture has ever been accepted initially. Where do you get your information from on a daily basis? from the mass media? the biased mass media that chooses to only show the worst of any country, situation and people? What a dumb ass you are with your holyer then thou attitude. Get a fucking life and do something useful in this world besides spreading hate, STD's and being pessimistic. No matter what anybody does or say's the glass will always be half empty for you. Get over you self righteous self and lend a helping hand to others. Dare to be different. Hate and ignorance has been tried and it doesn't work all it does it create more problems. Be a part of the solution not the problem.

Clearly you do not know what a closed minded rant is. Just re-read your comment. My ancestors came here, learned English, were productive citizens and did "assimilate" - a word muslim immigrants obviously do not understand. I'm sorry if the truth sounds like hateful spewing to you. The "biased" main-stream media is too busy kissing the asses of muslims (NEVER reporting anything that might show them in a bad light or that may offend them) to report the truth.

I don't know what news station you are watching but that is all I ever hear about another suicide bombing, another explosion, more fighting, more militants, etc. I have not heard one good news story about anything going on over there. My ancestors came from abroad also and were treated poorly because they spoke Irish English instead of British English. They got the crap jobs and were not treated kindly by people who had already established themselves here. It took a few generations before people couldn't tell my family came from a different country. Not being accepted into a new country causes isolation which can lead to acts of violence. If everyone wants the violence to stop so bad then why keep isolating people just because they are different!!!!!! What news agency does report the truth??? They are all owned by a few big corporations that decide what is worthy of News Attention and aren't above omitting certain details that would give us greater understanding of the world around us.

No, I don't suppose that you do know anything about Islam. You cannot compare the plight of your Irish immigrant ancestors with muslims that are invading our country. Trust me, muslims do not need to feel "isolated" and "unaccepted" to commit acts of violence.

"Dare to be different"
Perhaps you might want to preach that one in Saudi Arabia;probably wouldn't go over too well with these enlightened Arabs with their syphilitic moral compass.The solution to the problem is for Islamists to stay in Islamic countries;I don't see too many Westerners migrating to the Islamic nations for a better way of life.Hate and ignorance,however,sums up Mohammed better than anything I could have come up with,so thank you.

I'm not trying to preach in Saudi Arabia I'm trying to preach to American. The beauty of America is that I can do that without being put in jail for it. I'm not saying people should migrate to Islamic nations either, however, I am stating that it wouldn't hurt for people in free countries to try to understand instead of being so judgmental. Through understanding we can find better more peaceful solutions. Or information comes from the t.v., books, internet, etc. We haven't lived their life we don't know what truly drives them. We have not seen what they have seen. Our media will only ever tell us the worst about any country and any situation. We don't have reliable sources to be making such prejudicial judgments. The other thing I love about America is that it is a melting pot of all cultures and religions. I believe that each one is worthy of being respected. You can't hate just because they are different other wise no one would like any one or anything because nothing is the same.

Christina - Do you know ANYTHING at all about Islam???

Where do you suppose I get unbiased information from? Because I will not listen to a person who has never lived there and been through what they have been through. The one thing I do know is that not all of them are violent or extremists.

I have no idea. Where do you get your unbiased info from? MSNBC, CNN, your liberal friends? What they have been through???

No, which is why I asked you to share where you get your information from. Maybe you have a different source that I could learn from.

Okay, it was difficult for me to assess whether you actually had and open mind from your first comment (with the potty mouth). Have you taken any time to look around this site? These articles are gathered from various reliable sources. You can also look at the links in the blogroll at the right of the main page. And, yes, I do also watch Fox News.

Please excuse my potty mouth and thank you for the valuable information. I do wish to learn more about the subject and reading some of what everyone else bases their information on will help. Thank you again : )

Dear Christina,
Your posts reflect the attitude of the multiculturist towards the egregious,hate filled,ideology of Islam.
You graciously accept that your knowlege of "the death cult"is thin.
Here's a little exercise:Read the Koran and where you see infidel substitute Muslim and vice-versa.
You will rapidly arrive at the conclusion that this so called God's
word is a political manual for Islamic
supremacy;to be fought for by any means.
It makes "Mein Kampf" look quite moderate.
Like FBF I also had a catholic education and in those days the principle of "no salvation outside the catholic faith"was never formally
preached as dogma;it was understood by the faithful.
As a somewhat mischievous youngster I was expelled from my school for ridiculing catholic "items of faith"e.g nonsense such as the Noah's ark story(where did all the water come from? and where did it all go to?
Another comical event was when I
suggested that Hitler's guardian angel did a piss poor job not to mention the respective guardians of the holocaust victims.
Islam is a backward evil ideology which seeks world domination and DOES not accept in any form "the golden rule".
Just, as you no doubt ,consider Nazis
and revolutionary communists as embracing an ideology which is a serious threat to a just society.
So you should view Islam;it's the same in almost every aspect.
Giving lunatics a"fair crack of the whip"is contrary to common sense;
because given power they would not grant it to you.

Your are right. I spoke up about something I clearly did not know enough about. Through these posts and the stories on this site I have been educated greatly although not fully about the subject of Islam. I do not support the ideology behind of Islam, Nazi's or revolutionary communists. If a person was to state that the youger generation of Nazi's was bringing the values of that into the modern world in a graceful and peaceful manner. I would have responded the same as Infadelsto. I would hope Americans would resist such unfavorable changes to such backward ideology's. Thanks for the insight. The comparison to Nazi values really drove home the seriousness of the Islam values.

Islamists don't melt into anything,that's the problem.
The over-riding aim of Islam is to conquer!
Without being disrespectful,Christina,it is precisely your mindset that let these radicals out of their box in the West in the first place;knowingly or not you are aiding and abetting them.
I had sixteen years of Catholic education and never once was I taught to disrespect anything,including Islam;it took a long time for me to learn how to hate.Islam fell into my lap one day and the rest is history.I make no apologies.

Again if you are basing your information off of information learned through the mass media what do you really know? 16 years of Catholic education doesn't make you a scholar on a different religion or the views of a whole group of people for that matter!! Just because something fell into your lap doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about it. It takes more then knowing the terminology of a different culture. Try living there and gaining first hand experience. Only then would a person like me take what you have to write about seriously. I make no apologies either Funkybarfly, it is people like you that make other countries hate Americans. All they have to do is read one hateful post to decide that it represents all Americans. It is unfortunate and unfair to the rest of us who wish to share a peaceful life with them. Not all of them are about conquering, killing, oppressing and anything else bad you can type about them. Believe it or not there are some who wish to live a normal life with no bombings, the freedom to learn and achieve their dreams. Now and probably for a long time will be an adjustment period for them. They are trying to learn to live in a way they have never lived before. Of course there are going to be issues what doesn't have issues. Condemning a whole group of people before giving them a chance or even trying to help them will not make them better people. Not everyone in the country or who practices the religion is an extremist. There are just the only one's who make it to the news.

We are what we are,Christina.Do you have any concept of what these Muslims looking for a better life in the West are doing in Europe?.They are not trying to live in any way that they have not lived before;unless you mean making bigamy,honour killings,intolerance and subjugation of women mainstream.Would YOU consider rioting and killing over the publication of a simple cartoon reasonable,and proof that this grisly religion is just MISUNDERSTOOD?.I've said it before,our tolerance should not extend to a pernicious intolerance.Would you mind at all if your husband(master)had three other wives?Would you mind if you had to wear a burqua just to prove you were not a slut?.How any WOMAN could defend Islam is so beyond my comprehension it pains me.

I am no defending the Islam you are talking about. In the first post the person states that "there is no Muslim country in the world that practices Islamic law completely and properly". The same goes for Christianity. There are First Christians, First Baptists, Southern Baptists etc. and from my own personal experience not a single one of the Christian faiths are practiced the same nor are the Christian laws followed completely and properly. With that being said their are Muslims that come to this country and switch their religion to Christianity because that is what they longed to do but were not free to do so in their country. There are also Muslims here that do practice their Islamic religion some extremely some not so extremely. There are also some Christians that follow their faith and the laws to the extreme. They are no picnic to be around either. All I am saying is give the person that wants change a chance. If we condemn the Muslim before they become a Christian all we will do is fester more hate. Some Muslims may even want to be Catholic but can't do that either out of fear. Maybe more of the Islam followers are forced to follow out of fear then you and I know about. Neither one of us will truly ever know.

I'm not defending Islam. All I ask is that people not jump to condemning a whole class of people because of extremists. There are plenty of Muslims that live in this country I have yet to here about these atrocities you speak of here. I know a few and I like them as people I respect their culture and try to learn more about it through them. Not everyone is the same. You can not lump everyone into the same category if you wish to be accurate.

Christina,can you cite me one Islamic country that is MODERATE?.They don't have the numbers in America YET to reveal their true intentions.I condemn the Muslim weakness of not standing up to their own extremists;I say this because they have not stood up to them in any country.What makes you think America would be any different?These so called moderates know the nature of the beast better than anyone.

The so called moderates are here in this country and are from whom I have gathered some of my information. I do not know of an Islamic country where Islam is practiced moderately. I do know that fear of retaliation or death of your family is a big motivating factor for any loving person. If I were in that situation I would do as I was told to spare my family from harm. All I asking is to judge people on an individual basis. You and I don't know conclusively if they long for change or a better existence for themselves and their family.

Unfortunately,Christina,where moderates go so do the extremists.
I make no distinction because ultimately there isn't one.

I understand your frustration. You appear, through your posts, to be a strong person with strong opinions. I respect your thoughts and opinions. The only thing I wish to drive home is that no one person is the same as the other and without some sort of compassion there will be no change in a positive direction.

Modern Islam is not becoming less radical but quite the opposite.I just don't know how long you think we should indulge Muslims.There does come a point where the tide becomes impossible to turn ;Britain,for all intents and purposes is already lost.

you crack me up...Yes, I hate evil. As any moral person should...What's wrong with hating evil? The people who've brought peace to this planet have hated evil and defeated it. I hate evil because it's moral to do so, and if you pacify evil, you will only breed more and more....wait for it....EVIL.

Western Culture and it's Judeo Christian values are morally superior to Islamic cultural opression which breeds control, subjugation, slavery, murder, violence and hatred for anyone who opposes.

The West's morals are worth defending and worth pointing out the obvious differences between our culture and the barbaric nature of Islamic culture.

Hate festers into acting evil, being evil, being what you hate. Through hate your ears and mind turn off and you get no where. Martin Luther King didn't bring about change by spewing hate. He brought about change through peaceful measures that ultimately brought about change. It was the people who hate that attacked him and anyone who supported his views and ultimately killed him. Gandhi and Nelson Mandela brought about change through peaceful measures also and I have yet to read something said by them that was hateful in context. One can bring about change in other ways besides being hateful. They may have hated their circumstances and the situations that were going on but they didn't hate people. They sought to undo the deep rooted ignorance in America's value system, to educate future generations of the poison behind hating people because they are different. As any Judeo Christian will tell you hating is not the moral thing to do, but loving thy neighbor is : )

Christina: "As any Judeo Christian will tell you hating is not the moral thing to do, but loving thy neighbor is"

Half right and half wrong:

"The fear of the Lord is to hate evil" Proverbs

"Love your neighbor as yourself" Old and New Testament

God can walk and chew gum at the same time, and so can we. We can love our neighbor and simultaneously hate evil; we are in fact obliged to do both. You are confused about the most basic Judeo-Christian morals and values, or you have chosen to reject those values. Hatred of evil is required, whereas hatred of God and good people is forbidden.

Comparing human kind to God, Whoa. We are not God nor can we do the things God does. We may be obliged, but we are not obligated to hate and love at the same time. Jesus did not hate. I believe I can live more like Jesus then I can like God. Jesus was not perfect nor are we. God is perfect. How in the world do we live up to that?

Yes we can and must be c0mpared to God because we are in fact made in His image. The command to hate evil is obligatory, as is the command to love one's neighbor and even one's enemy. The love of self, family and neighbor sometimes requires physical destruction of one's enemy, i.e.: just war. Jesus hated evil, but he waged a pacifist war against evil. Jesus did not expect or command everyone to be pacifists like Himself; He knew that people sometimes have to physically defend themselves, i.e.: wage just war. Jesus did not command the Roman Centurion to throw away his weapons, and he did not command Peter to throw away his sword, only re-sheathe it.

There is a place for both the warrior and the pacifist, but both must physically place themselves directly in harms war - directly between evil (terrorists for example) and the victims of evil. The courage of warriors is self-evident as they often die in struggle against those who would murder or impose tyrannical laws; but where are the courageous pacifists? I don't see any pacifists dying in pacifist struggle against Totalitarian Islam in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, etc.

Correction: directly in harms way...

Christina, how long do you imagine MLK , Gandhi and Mandela would have survived in Iran, Saudi, Kuwait, Yemen, Afghanistan or any other staunchly Mohammedan country had their messages rocked the prevailing boat? Long enough to get their message across to a wider audience? And for your information, let it be mentioned that these three gentlemen most fervently hated the injustice they saw every day. The majority of contributors to this site do not hate Mohammedans per se, but they fervently despise Islam and see those who commit murder and rape under its banner and those who champion such deeds as worthy of revulsion. Understand?

Exactly they hated the circumstances and the situations not people. They showed compassion even when no compassion was shown to them. As for how long they would last in those countries, no one knows but God. I do understand what sickens you and others about their religion. I also do not approve of committing such acts of violence against humanity for the sake of Islam. Hate will not bring them to the light side or our side. It will further push them away and reinforce what they believe in. Speaking out against such violence is commendable, hating a whole class of people is not.

Christina, I get the strange feeling that you are lecturing me, using that which I had written as the basis for your lecture! How long would MLK and the guys have lasted? A day, perhaps.

who knows?

Christina, you ask "Who knows?". This is as inane a question I have ever been asked. Allow me to suggest that you investigate what befell a gentleman called Salman Rushdie - he wrote a novel.

What about the atrocities that have occurred in Western Culture and Judeo Christianity? When men no longer wanted to be married the claimed their wife was a witch, burn her and move on. If I remember correctly it was the Christians who did such things. Wasn't it also christians that also devestated Native Americans. Christians have done some Evil things them selves in their past all in the name of their religion. Their is no religion follower on this earth that follows their religion perfectly and that is probably a good thing or we would not have the freedoms to sin as we do. Our values are not perfect and to think they are would be ignorant. What I don't understand is how you interpreted that person post to be evil and warrant an evil rant to hate it?

Christina, Christians above all are eagerly willing to acknowledge the foul, evil deeds perpetrated in the name of Christianity in the distant past, which is why they do their utmost to make certain such events will never happen again. I am an atheist, but I recognise the colossal contributions Christianity has made to the well-being of the world. I have excluded Jews from my evaluation, not out of any feeling of hostility towards them, but because of my greater knowledge of the Christian world. I have the highest regard and respect for the Jews. But look at MODERN Islam. Do its followers recognise and admit to its nefarious practices over the centuries and to-day? Do they seek a reformation? Of course not. Increasingly, they crave a return to the dark world of their charlatan "prophet." Contrast (not compare) the life and teachings of Jesus with those of Mohammed: it's akin to putting MLK and Charles Manson under the microscope simultaneously. Christianity strives to banish hate, but Islam fosters it and rewards its most rabid hate-mongers with high office or 72 unused girls' bits to play with in Paradise. According to your dim lights, my writing of this comment constitutes an evil rant, but this only highlights your terminally tragic failure to comprehend. Without doubt, you would have held a jaundiced view of Mr Churchill in the late 30s. Related to Mr Chamberlain, are you?

"Your terminally tragic failure to comprehend!"
That's it Beej!what's the matter with people who,when presented with irrefutable evidence ,are still in a state of mental gymnastical denial?
These idiots metaphorically need their heads thrust into a flushing toilet pan until they "get it".
Hopefully this "holy site"will help them.
BTW where the shuck 's Fukri these days?

so flushing someones head in a toilet bowl until "they get it" is better then the hateful practices of Islam?

Christina: "Our values are not perfect"

Wrong. What is imperfect about an individual's unalienable right to life? What is imperfect about an individual's unalienable right to liberty? What is imperfect about an individual's unalienable right to creatively pursue happiness?

What you should have said is that all people are imperfect, but some values are in fact perfect and universal; and by contrast some values are evil: for example Nazi Values, Communist Values and Totalitarian Islamist Values. Americans who adhere to Judeo-Christian Values expressed in the Declaration of Independence are imperfect, but those Declarational Values are in fact perfect, and should be understood as universal to all people in all places on the entire earth.

Our founding fathers declared American Values (based on Judeo-Christian Values) in 1776; a truth that you cannot see due to moral blindness or immoral choice.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…” Thomas Jefferson

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/i...

Your right the values are applied imperfectly because the inalienable right to life , right to liberty, and right to creatively pursue happiness is not applied for everyone unfortunately. There are still groups of people in this country that still don't have the right to these values even though they are supposed to. "All men are created equal" except for African Americans, Jews, Chinese, Japanese, Women and anyone else who is not a white man. Those are the imperfect values this country was founded on. Our constitution stated that slaves were not to be considered a whole person and women had no rights and were left out of any mention in the original constitution. Through blood, sweat and tears the laws that were omitted or untruthful were reversed. Thank God. Just like any nation we still have a long way to go. Will people ever stop practicing Islam probably not. Just as we still have people who believe in what the Nazi's did. I do understand why you hate followers of Islam. For me it is comparable to people who followed Hitler or anywhere in the world where genocide has or is taking place. They are all inherently wrong. Even as a Christian I do believe it would have been hard for me to not condemn a person associated with the Nazi regime. So in this sense I do understand why no one wants to give any Islam follower a chance. It makes it harder for me to show compassion also.

"All men are created equal" is a perfect value which, as you said, was not adhered to by our Constitution's 3/5 rule. The Declaration's law trumped the Constitution, but it took the Civil War to bring it about. Marxists also believe in "equality" but it is government-enforced economic equality, except for the ruling class, i.e.: all government-serving serfs will be socially engineered into economic equality. Our founders declared that all men (people) are equal in their human rights to life, liberty and creative pursuit of happiness; and that laws must not violate those human rights, but rather secure them; and those laws must apply equally to all people. That is the equality of our Declaration of Independence - equal rights secured by equal law. There will always be economic inequality under equal law, but there will never be equal law (social justice) with unequal law designed to equally distribute property (not social justice) because there will always be a class of people (proletariat) unwilling to labor.

Christina,
There has been evil done by Christians but such evil was a violation of Judeo-Christian values, not an expression of those values. The evil perpetrated by Totalitarian Islam is an expression of evil values found in the Koran and Hadiths such as sex with children, polygamy, murder and legal/social superiority over non-Muslims (subjugation of non-Muslims). Hopefully some day there will be a reformation of Islam to purge this evil; but it may take a thousand years - too late for me and my family - or such reformation may never happen.

You do not know American history very well or you would realize that American Indians began the war against the English (not American) settlers in a near-genocidal massacre at Jamestown, Virginia in 1622.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre_of...

War between American Indians and European settlers eventually spread, and it was inevitable that the American Indians would lose the war due to their technical and scientific inferiority. Don't be mistaken, the American Indians began the war, and they eventually lost it.

Interestingly, American Indians are also of European ancestry; so it turns out that the war was one between two groups of pos-Europeans. If you do the research you'll find that "Native Americans" are not native to North America, but native to Europe, just as the latter settlers of Jamestown.

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1406/segments/1406-4.htm

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/n...

From the beginning of time people are afraid of what is perceived as different. We don't know that the English didn't provoke the Indians and Wikipedia is not a very reliable source to base information from. PBS is definitely a better site and I will check out usgennet. I do know our history better than I know of any other countries history. It was a short post and we have an incredibly long past.

Keeping an open mind in muslim society is a recipe for an early loss of one's head.