Krauthammer on UN racism conference

If you are so sure that "Palestine, the country, goes back through most of recorded history", I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine:
When was it founded and by whom?
What were its borders?
What was its capital?
What were its major cities?
What constituted the basis of its economy?
What was its form of government?
Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
What was the language of the country of Palestine?
What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
Have they left any artifacts behind?
Do you know of a library where one could find a work of Palestinian literature produced before 1967?
And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?

The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it "Palestinian people" and installed it in Gaza, Judea, and Samaria. How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the "West Bank" and Gaza, respectively?

The so called "Palestinians" have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel, and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a "nation" -- or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.


TO ISRAEL; NO MORE LAND FOR PEACE. GOD GAVE THE LAND OF Modern day ISRAEL to you and much more. GENESIS 17:9; 15:19-21.

Amen on getting our of the UN

Ann,thank you for your brilliant post.I really want to
read MORE from you,for It made my day better,happier and now I'm more
confident that STILL there's intelligent life out there ,be on the virtual or
the real world.

The fact is that the so-called "palestinian people" and a country named
"palestine" can't whitstand a rigorous historical analysis without being
labeled as BOGUS.

Ann, you are BRILLIANT!

Noun 1. terrorist organization - a political movement that uses terror as a weapon to achieve its goals
foreign terrorist organization, FTO, terrorist group
act of terrorism, terrorism, terrorist act - the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
political movement - a group of people working together to achieve a political goal

Islam is a terrorist organization, therefore, all members of Islam are terrorists.

That organization though intended for good, is nothing but a corrupt organization who has absolutely no power and does nothing to better the world nor keep it safe. I wish the United States would remove it from our soil and remove US from it.

Krauthammer: "persecution of anybody who criticizes Islam is a good thing and is a defense of the freedom of speech."

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.” George Orwell

The more I learn of Totalitarian Islam, the more it reminds me of Communism or Fascism, and I'm not sure which is the better comparison. I suppose the best understanding is that Totalitarian Islam is Religious Fascism and it is; as far as human rights are concerned (particularly freedom of speech), not much different from Communism. Extreme Right = Extreme Left.

I should have put it this way:

Krauthammer on the Orwellian UN: "persecution of anybody who criticizes Islam is a good thing and is a defense of the freedom of speech."

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.” George Orwell

And, Storm Rider, you are correct. The more you learn about Islam, the more you realize that it is a Political Movement. Fascist, yes. Dictatorial, yes. Causing lack of freedom, yes.

I want to be sure you get the context of Krauthammer's remark. He was writing about the Durban II Conference , and stated that the conference is going to issue an edict which says that PERSECUTION OF ANYBODY WHO CRITICIZES ISLAM IS A GOOD THING, and that it (the persecution) is a defense of Freedom of Speech. (Sounds illogical)
Krauthammer was not saying that HE believed that persecution for criticizing Islam is a defense of Freedom of Speech, and therefore good.
Actually -- think about it -- the EDICT has twisted things around, and is trying to put an
erroneous belief into the reader's mind.

I understoon Krauthammer perfectly. He is always succint and on point
whenever he opens his mouth. I think anyone who criticizes or mocks islam
should be lauded for having the guts to speak their mind and not go along
with the drones.

"...The more I learn of Totalitarian Islam, the more it reminds me of Communism or Fascism..."

Islam is MUCH MORE dangerous than all those "isms" COMBINED...is
mistakenly perceived as a "religion",thus leading many people to misinterpret
its goals and its noxious consequences to our WAY OF LIFE.

FASCISM,NATIONAL SOCIALISM and the several forms of SOCIALISM as
COMMUNISM and MARXISM are pratically DEAD and BURIED,whereas
ISLAMISM is stronger than ever and ripe to conquer the Western Civilization and change our lives forever...for the worse.

The isms differ only in the technical differences in the final forms their govts take. Islam's ultimate form is a theocracy epitomized by Iran. All the other isms have resulted in secular totalitarian regimes where the party leader assumes the power equivalent to the divine right tyrants. In the end, the power becomes focused in one man who draws his authority from a party, religion, or pure force, in the form of military or police forces. Those that provide authority for the tryant become the privleged minority, everyone else becomes their servants.

This is why their strategies and tactics are so similar, both to achieve power and maintain it. Evil has many guises, but it can't avoid the actions that reveal it eventually.

Islam does seem strong and ripe to conquer, but if Islam is evil, as we all here believe, it is it's own worst enemy, and eventually will defeat itself. The original Caliphate didn't last very long, and still defies attempts to reunite it, for example. But that doesn't mean we can't resist it, and try to hasten it's demise.

Krauthammer! Always wise. Writes wonderfully.
Has insight that many would love to have.

RIGHT! We should have quit the UN a LONG time ago!
Last time I checked, WE paid more to the UN than any other country.
Yet UN's main actions toward USA are to damage and kill it.

The United Nations's raison d'être no longer exists,therefore
the democratic countries WHO RESPECT women's rights
should start another international organization WITHOUT
any muslim country.

The New York City municipality should increase the taxes
from the U.N. building and dully collect U.N.personnel car's tickets
that are UNPAID... or better yet:CLOSE THE DAMNED THING
and sell it to Donald Trump.

It's not racism to point out the truth. Ahmadinejad has some objectionable statements, however, the gist of his statements were 100% accurate. It's sad that the western media continues with their anti-Iranian spin.

Be specific, Shukri. Which of his statements do you find objectionable? I REALLY want you to answer this one.

Some of Ahmadinejad's statements are objectionable because they don't concern Muslims. Comments about the Holocaust for example, give the western news media a very good excuse to divert attention away from Israel's actions in the Middle East, and this is not what we need.

I thought the purpose of the conference was to deal with racism, but you object to the Iranian's mentioning matters that don't concern Muslims. I conclude, then, that Muslims care nothing about racism, and that they attend the conference to talk about only Muslim affairs. They should have stayed away.

You object to his outrageous remarks pertaining to the Holocaust because they "divert attention from Israel's actions in the Middle East". You are unhappy with the lies he tells about the Holocaust because he weakens his own manic arguments, yes? Never mind Truth as long as anti-Israel propaganda flourishes.

The Holocaust does not concern Muslims because Muslims were not the perpetrators. Hence, why should Ahmadinejad bring up a hot-button topic that is going to enrage others, yet has nothing to do with us?

The only Muslim issue, in terms of Israel, is the occupation of Palestine and the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians forced to live as refugees by the Israeli state.

SHUKRY:
"The Holocaust does not concern Muslims because Muslims were not the perpetrators..."

Muslims SUPPORTED the Nazi Holocaust during WWII.
Nasser and Sadat were Nazi- supporters during WWII.
The Jerusalem MUFTI travelled to Berlin to give his
support to Hitler and ask him to invade "palestine" and
get rid of the Jews,whereas the Jewish Brigade was enlisted
in the BRITISH ARMY.

You,muslims,supported the DEATH of SIX MILLION JEWS
and this,I will never forget or forgive.

Actually, Muslims saved Jews during the Holocaust:

"It is because of the courage and conscience of the mostly Muslim Albanians that the country's 2,000 Jews survived the Holocaust."

http://tinyurl.com/c5dz4b

The "mufti of jerusalem" that you cite, was actually an agent appointed by the British. http://tinyurl.com/d24eeg

If there are any further facts that you'd like to ignore, please feel free to let me know.

Shukry,is this " tinyurl.com" your only source of
RELIABLE information or you're too cynical about
common WWII and other History-related books?

Do you think that you're dealing with ill-informed
people in here?

Search Google about the "History Of The Albanian Muslim Nazi SS Skanderbeg Division".The albanians muslims WELCOMED the Nazi
troops.If some of them protected those Jews,this doesn't erase
what the majority did.The fact is that Muslims SUPPORTED
the Nazi effort to make the Jewish People EXTINCT.

Unlike you,I don't cook up things to look good in this website,nor I
present a SINGLE source of information.I read books.That's a very
Jewish trait,but I guess you already know that.

tinyurl is actually a URL shortener.

If you do want original links, however then:

http://www.amazon.com/Besa-Muslims-Saved-Jews-W...

"It is because of the courage and conscience of the mostly Muslim Albanians that the country's 2,000 Jews survived the Holocaust.

Norman H. Gershman's black-and-white photographs and captions bring to life the heroic tales of rescuers and the pride of their descendants. For example, in one photo, the family of Ali and Ragip Kraja stand next to a sign they erected that reads: "The Jewish Refugees of Solomon Adixhes and family drank from this nearby well while being sheltered by Ali and Ragip Kraja when being chased by the Nazis." In an interview, the Krajas add: "We sheltered the Adixhes family out of the goodness of our hearts. We are all brothers and proud of our heritage. If need be, we would do it again."

Wait; I thought it was tinycurl.com, as in pubic hair.

The reason Ahmadinejad brings up the Holocaust to deny it, is so he can justify calling Zionism, which led to the creation of Israel, a conspiracy based on the Holocaust as a lie. Thus he justifies bringing his own Holocaust down on Israel, the lieing occupiers as you like to say, with nukes, to DESTROY it, as he has stated PUBLICLY several times

Do YOU, SHUKRI want to see Israel destroyed that way? DO YOU? This could incude the destruction of Jerulsalem, the Holy City, a Muslim Holy City to you too, do you want to see that done?

By the way, what kind of condition will the Holy Land be in after it's nuked? Do you think it will even be habitable if it is nuked? Will the Palestinians, any that survive the fallout, want to live in a radioactive wasteland? Think Ahmadinejad over there in Iran is worried about that?

The Palestinians are only pawns to him, he uses them to keep Israel occupied and distracted and to make them look bad when they respond to Hamas' and Hizbollah's provocations. He really could care less if they ever reoccupy "their" land, let alone survive his nuclear holocaust.

Islam is only as good as it's leaders, and leaders like Ahmadinejad and Khomeni are pulling the wool over your eyes, if you really are a "peacful and loving" Muslim.

This is agitationist thinking, sir. Iran does not pose a threat to anyone. They have not attacked another nation in modern history, and they probably never will.

No need they have their terrorist proxies do it for them. Then they can sit back and say "Not it!"

"This is agitationist thinking, sir. Nazi Germany does not pose a threat to anyone. They have not attacked another nation in modern history, and they probably never will."

This is how your argument would look like in 1939

You're grasping at straws, sir. Germany attacked numerous countries pre-1939.

example: http://tinyurl.com/d7sj4c

ahh, but here it comes you, in 1939, like in a few other posts

"It was self defense!"

And notice, Shukri didn't answer the questions I asked directly of him. I'm not going to respond to him anymore unless it's to make a point the rest of the readers on here might appreciate. He's just an apologist at best and a propagandist for Islam at worst, not worth bothering with for the most part.

The Holocaust should concern EVERYONE, Shukri. It involved the extermination of PEOPLE, but perhaps you fail to look upon Jews as people.

The Iranian twat, though, raises the matter of the Holocaust in order to argue his point that that Israel came into existence only because that hellish event happened - or didn't happen, in his jaundiced view - that it aroused the world's sympathy towards the persecuted Jews. He claims it was all a lie and a plot. I thought you might have gone along with this.

Define PALESTINE.

It is human suffering that should concern everyone. If people are only concerned about the suffering of certain peoples, then this is the path to injustice towards others, as clearly demonstrated in the Middle East situation. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians live in contained refugee camps, unable to move because they are subject to the whims of the Israeli occupiers of their land. Yet, there is no concern for justice in their case.

Impeccable logic, as ever, Shukri. Unless everyone is suffering, concern leads to injustice. See what the Koran does to the mind?

The logic is that the suffering of one people should not cause us to ignore the suffering of others. It is, of course, true that Jewish people suffered intensely during the Holocaust. But does that give them the right to make the Palestinians homeless?

http://tinyurl.com/8dxbua

Please tell me your version of how the Palestinians became refugees Shukri? I'm sure it will be fascinating.

Shukri

I still dont understand how the jewish are the occupiers of Judea? It is their rightful land, they belonged there way before you muslims conquered it.

By that argument, native americans can come into your home in the US and take it. But even though their ancestors lived there, they don't have a right to oppress you. Why? Because you didn't have anything to do with stealing their land. Someone else did, hundreds of years ago.

The Palestinians didn't steal the land from the Jews. In fact, it was the Christians who banned Jews from the Holy Land because they accused Jews of committing deicide. It was the Caliph Umar's conquest of Jerusalem that finally allowed Jewish people back into the Holy Land. The Muslims and Jews are basically cousins, one from Ishmael and the other from Isaac. But even a cousin stealing your land, and making you homeless, is unacceptable.

So, using your theory, then the jews conquered the muslims in Judea, so... why dont your brothers accept their palestinians brothers in their lands, the same way that Israel accepted the jews who fled the islamic countries?

Ive asked you this question before and you never answered back

Shukri: "By that argument, native americans can come into your home in the US and take it."

Native Americans (Eastern tribes immigrated to North America from Europe over the North Atlantic ice bridge) began waging war against the British settlers starting in 1622; they lost the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Massacre_of...

They live there because they DESERVE.

Actually they're not subject of "the whims of the Israeli occupier",but from the PLO and HAMAS,that KEEP them
in this situation PERMANENTLY in order to achieve their
own,selfish political agenda.

Sorry, but it is Israel that has created these hundreds of thousands of refugees, and continues to occupy their land.

define occupation, since that land always belonged to the jews.

Finally, if we follow your idea, could we please have Mecca back, so we can destroy the Kabah?

Some of Adolph Hitler's statements were objectionalbe, even though they didn't directly refer to or concern ordinary Germans. Are we supposed to take comfort that Ahmadinejad's statements are, like Hitler's, not always rethorically connected to the populations under their heels? What good did it do the world that Hitler's comments were not always directly connected to the German people? The ordinary Muslim today is in the very same position as the ordinary German in 1938. Neither group was/is in charge of their destiny; they were/are in the hands of their respective tyrants.

Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future.” Adolph Hitler

“The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence.” Adolph Hitler

“He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.” Adolph Hitler

“By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.” Adolph Hitler

“The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.” Adolph Hitler

“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” Adolph Hitler

“It is not truth that matters, but victory.” Adolph Hitler

“How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.” Adolph Hitler

“I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.” Adolph Hitler

“Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice.” Adolph Hitler

“I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.” Adolph Hitler

“The day of individual happiness has passed.” Adolph Hitler

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolf Hitler,1935

“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.” Adolph Hitler

The uote on gun control is false. perhaps some of the rest. It is a pet peeve of mine to see quotes attributed to famous people who never said them I do not think you made it up since it has been quoted and re quoted many times. Try to do better research if you do not want the Fascists coming down on you. One mistake and they will take apart your whole argument.

Well, you may be right about that quote, but Hitler was nevertheless a proponent of gun control - gun control for everyone except the Nazis.

"Permits were only given to people of "undoubted reliability" who demonstrated a "need" for a gun. The law made it easy for Hitler to make sure his opponents couldn't get permits and thus had no access to firearms....When the Nazis enacted their own law in 1938, they added restrictions aimed at Jews, such as not allowing Jews to work in any business involving guns. They also prohibited those under eighteen from buying guns, added yet another permit for handguns, and banned silencers and small hollow-point ammunition. Of course, Nazi officials were exempted from all gun permits."

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1791/d...

Storm_Rider

Skimm reading your post, especially the quotes you posted, for a momment I even thought those were I'mnutsjob quotes, they are...frankly absurdlly similar to one another! If you didnt post the author of them it would be like the I'manutjob said it!

Beejj, dream on... questions that actually asks Shukri to think and questions that actually makes him analyse his religion or even questions that destroy his arguments he won't answer.

The only questions I don't answer are because the "reply" link does not appear on some posts. I haven't figured out why.

click on anyone else's reply on the same line of thought or quoting scale and answer it. it will show on the bottom

Dear me Shukri,you 're at it again.
Ahmamonkeyjihad is demonstrably a bigot by any analysis.
And probably the least qualified person in the whole of the world to comment on any matter concerning justice and fair play.(about as credible as Jack the Ripper campaigning for women's rights.)
The applause he got from the turds of the turd world are further evidence that the UN has long passed its sell by date.
Krauthammer has once more hit the nail on the head.

The truth is that you belong to a TERRORIST RELIGION.Everyone knows
that,even muslims do.Many of them are even embarrassed.
You're here to SPREAD LIES,that frankly,not a single person are BUYING...your coments are completely at odds with the reality.

Ahmadinejad is ASKING FOR JEWISH BLOOD and you SUPPORT him,something very natural since you're our ENEMY...having said
that,I hope you and your terrorist pals DON'T WHINE when Israel
STRIKES BACK.

The terrorists have nothing to do with Islam, as even your own CIA officers admit.

http://tinyurl.com/c6ndqj

it's strange that you claim that Ahmadinejad is out for Jewish blood, when Iran has a very proud community of Persian Jews, who are enfranchised enough that they have a seat in parliament especially reserved for their community.

http://tinyurl.com/d3cuw9

Right, the terrorists have nothing to do with islam. Then why do so many beseech allah when waging jihad? Why all the cries of "allahu akbar!"? Hmm, it can't possibly have anything to do with islam, right?

Saying "Allahu Akbar" before an action does not sanctify it in Islam. Rather, actions are judged according to their validity. Terrorism is not valid in Islam, as mentioned by numerous Muslim scholars, and proven beyond all reasonable doubt in al-Akiti's fatwa.

http://tinyurl.com/dxestd

Actions (totalitarian politics, tortue, murder, mass-murder) speak louder than words ("studies" and pronouncements of scholars).

You are right, but it doesn't mean that you should sentence many for the actions of a few.

http://tinyurl.com/symrb
http://tinyurl.com/d97vq6
http://tinyurl.com/caovfn

No one here is sentencing ordinary Muslims for the actions of those with blood on their hands. However, ordinary Muslims, by taking a passive attitude toward the Totalitarian nature of Political/Legal/Military Islam, have placed themselves in a very dangerous position during wartime. The situation is tantamount to that of ordinary German citizens during World War II. The ordinary German man or woman might not have taken up arms against the United States, but neither did they take up arms against their Totalitarian Political/Legal/Military Nazism. Islam is today's Nazism, and ordinary Muslims today are tantamount to the ordinary Germans of the 1930's/1940's. Wake up.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

You unfortunately ignore the effects of western invasions and occupations of Muslim lands. What you essentially seem to be saying is that Muslims should cease to defend themselves from being bombed, killed and occupied by the west.

Sorry, but even Muslims have the right to defend themselves when attacked.

You mean the effects like creating democratic, freely elected govts in Iraq and Afghanistan, where they didn't vote for the parties that wanted Islamic republics and sharia law? Where it's the Islamic extremists that are attacking the the army, police, and civilians of those countries more than the US forces? For instance, how did the bomb that went off in front of a Shiite mosque killing 60 civilians, many of them pigrims, all Muslims, defend against any US occupiers? The Muslims you defend are not defending themselves, they are trying to regain the power they have lost.

Correct, Kal. Terrorism is not restricted to Islam, as you well know, but for Shukri to use this as a defence for terrorism committed in the name of Islam smacks of an unformed mind. Um ...... what does "jihad" translate to in English?

Jihad literally means struggle. It is open to interpretation, as in struggle for self purification, struggle for empowering islam, struggle to relieve one's self on the throne due to lack of fibre in the diet. That one pissed off a bunch of jihadis in the ekhlaas forums I sometimes visit. Most amusing twisting their tits like that. The room went insane and I was banned twice for saying allah is a pig.

"it's strange that you claim that Ahmadinejad is out for Jewish blood, when Iran has a very proud community of Persian Jews"

I suppose it might not be in their best interest to start speaking out against the Totalitarian Islamic Government of Iran; unless of course you don't value your head.

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury." Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map." Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

"If the West does not support Israel, this regime will be toppled. As it has lost its raison d' tre, Israel will be annihilated." Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed." Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm." Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

http://www.jewishphilly.org/page.aspx?id=142939

Ahmadinejad doesn't speak English, my friend. Those quotes seem to be deliberately mistranslated to further the anti-Iranian agenda of the west.

http://tinyurl.com/augerb

Shukri, you are a class act! David Irving would be proud of you. Had Orwell met you he would have written an even better book. Aren't you intellectually mature enough to realise that your resorting to "mistranslation" whenever uncomfortable facts are laid squarely at your door is wearing a bit thin?

But let us pretend your claim is true. Please give YOUR translation of the Iranian's remarks. This is going to be so illuminating. Agreed, everyone?

We can start here, maybe:

"Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian" - http://tinyurl.com/yzeuw5

I requested translations, Shukri. Still waiting .......

That's the purpose of the link above:

"The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."

http://tinyurl.com/yzeuw5

In other words, he was talking about the Israeli occupation of Palestine.

Is THAT what he said? Ah, that's OK, then. Such a friendly, warm-hearted message. I can't understand why anyone should take exception to these words.

Israel occupying Judea? Dont think so... Jerusalem is a jewish city, not islamic.

It would be as illuminating as having a dump on a small and cramped up toilet after having a full-day bbq with really spicy curry at the end of the day...

It is funny how Shukri quotes wikipedia, although a nice source for general information, but for historical, scientific info is... Crap. In all my reports I have never used wikipedia, even if someone does, it would certainly mean a big rejection hahaha

It is funnier when shukri quotes wikipedia articles with ... look!

" It needs additional references or sources for verification. Tagged since March 2008.
Its neutrality is disputed. Tagged since April 2008.
Its factual accuracy is disputed. Tagged since May 2008."


Neutrality is disputed, in fact a lot of Iranian articles is being disputed its neutrality, I guess that the islamic taqyia is present on wiki too!

Shukri, the CIA, at least as far as their public policy is concerned, is wrong about the war on terror. Obama's decision to call terrorism "man caused disasters" is pathetic, and calling the war on terror "overseas contingency operations" makes us less safe. We are making a grave mistake by not identifying the enemy.

My bet is though, that if you pull the sheets back, the CIA, the guys in the field, know EXACTLY who the enemy is and yes, 99% of them have something to do with Islam

The enemy happens to be Muslim only because this is who owns most of the oil in the world.

US foreign policy in the Middle East is all about oil, and safeguarding Israel-- even if that means keeping hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in refugee camps.

We reap what we sow.

Further to that which I wrote a few minutes ago, let us be hypothetical for a while.

Suppose the refugee camps to which you refer disappeared at a stroke. What then? Would the rockets and suicide bombings cease? Would that Iranian madman be content and no longer mouth his apocalyptic rantings? Is it only the Palestinian question that raises the ire of such as he? Would countries such as Saudi Arabia and Oman open their doors to those whose passports reveal they have visited Israel?

Or must every Jew in Israel convert to Islam? Would that satisfy the rabid Jew haters?

What if Muslim countries opened their doors to the Palestinians they claim to be so concerned about? None left in Israel. All living contentedly in Jordan and Syria, etc. Would that be acceptable?

What if Israel agrees to a separate Palestinian state and does its utmost to see that it gets off to a flying start, helping with construction of homes and schools and hospitals, etc. Would that be viewed favourably by the Islamic world and bring to an end its hostility to Israel?

What do I think? I believe that no matter what Israel does it can never earn the respect and friendship of those tainted by Islam. You guys have taken out a mortgage on hatred of the Jews. That hatred delights and sustains you. A succession of pollyanna American Presidents were foolish enough to believe an accommodation between Jews and Muslims can be reached, but they were pissing against the wind. Islam feeds on hatred and intolerance, and no pretty words uttered by any POTUS can ever alter that abiding truth.

This is all wishful thinking.

The simple solution to the Middle East crisis is justice, pure and simple. Have Israel give back, or compensate, the Palestinians for the land that they stole, and end the occupation and blockade that strangles Palestinians lives. Doing this will deal terrorism a death blow. Unfortunately, there are people who are motivated by the monetary and political gains of war, and they will do everything possible to keep this from happening.

If that is the logic behind your line of thinking then I want Turkey to compensate the Greeks, ~Cypriots and even the Iraqis, I want Saudi Arabia to compensate the jews that they expelled from Mecca and Medina, I want them to give back the Judea land back to the jews who are now occupied by the palestinians. I want the Muslims in the northern part of africa to compensate finacially SPain and Portugal from their Andalucia invasion.

Do you want me to continue?

By the way, didn't the ancient Hebrews, and so now the Jews of modern Israel, have a claim to the land of Israel which predates that of the Palestinians? Aren't the Palestinians really of Jordanian lineage rather than indigenous to Israel?

Don't forget that the Normans must compensate the Britons (Anglo-Saxons) since they won the Battle of Hastings and then occupied and dominated Anglo-Saxon Britain in 1066. Also, the Britons must somehow compensate the Celts because they were driven out of Southern England into Scotland. Do you suppose the Normans, by conquering the Britons, will have to share in this compensation to the Celts? While we're at it, we are going to have to genetically engineer, based on DNA samples, a population of Neanderthals because they were driven out - wiped out - everywhere on planet Earth by us Cro-Magnons.

Careful Storm_Raider, Shukri might lose the plot and start rambling something else! hehehehe he even might think you are cursing him or something, since those names were never available to the muslims, and in fact islam never predicted any of those.

he couldnt even discuss or say anything when i said that Islam is a barbaric, backward, problematic, misogynistic, Geliophobic, Gymnophobic, Gnosiophobic , Gynephobic, Homophobic, Judeophobic. Kainolophobic, Melophobic, Methyphobic, Nudophobic, Paraphobic, Potophobic, Coitophobic, Cynophobic, Eurotophobic, Ithyphallophobic, Ideophobic, Transphobic, Xenophobic, Coprophilic, PAraphilic, Erotophonophilic, Raptophilic, Pedophilic and Urophagic religion

I don't know the truth of any of the conflicts that you mention, as I haven't heard the alleged victims with a verifiable claim demanding compensation from those countries. If they are true, then of course they deserve justice.

In the case of Israel, the expelling of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes is well documented and easily verifiable. Many of those Palestinians still have their land deeds from the Ottoman Empire and the British mandate. The only thing that needs to be done is for there to be a focus on enforcing fairness and justice for all, and not just safety and security for Israeli non-Muslims alone.

But what happens when the jewish actually bought the land from the palestinians? What happens if that land did belong to the jews because the muslims stole it from them when they invaded judea?

Dude, could you please stop with that objectionable idea that only islam is peace. Go read the armenian conflict, cypriots, Andalucia, Constantinople, and the rest! They are WELL documented, the problem is that you cant be bothered to look for sources that CONTRADICTS what your imam said or what islam preaches!

I even want to point out the Kosovo invasion of islam, and many other islamic advancements towards europe

Muslims are our enemies because they have most of the oil? What do you mean by this? Do you imagine some kind of envy is at work here? Or do you mean their oil gives them far more clout than they deserve? If the latter, you have a valid point, and its veracity will be manifest when the world turns to an alternative energy source. Just imagine the fate of Muslims when that glorious day dawns. Your influence will fall to zero. It must stick in your guts to realise the only reason Western governments court you and accommodate your vile faith is oil. You have nothing else to offer. Despite the appropriately oleaginous words of Obama and Brown, you have not a shred of value to humanity, but yes, US foreign policy will be aimed at maintaining the oil flow until such time as your usefulness ends. Make the most of it while it lasts. You bring to mind those biological life forms that are totally dependent upon a single food source: once that is exhausted, ruin quickly follows.

You Muslims, more than most of us, should pay heed to your final sentence, for one day you are going to reap a bitter harvest as a result of the carnage and hellishness you bring the world.

"Muslims are our enemies because they have most of the oil? What do you mean by this?"

It means what it has always meant. The west is literally run on oil and energy. Therefore US foreign policy towards the Middle East (i.e: Muslims) is focused on this need. So, the US has no problem, for example, overthrowing a democracy if that will further its oil agenda. see, for example, the Iraq war or: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_...

I asked a question, but you answered one I did not ask. Listen, pal: I'm not a Muslim, so I can think.

Beejj, I think he might not be familiar with rethorical questions hehehe

The United States buys Middle-Eastern oil; that should make an enemy of no one. Purchasing oil is a part of rational and just foreign policy. The American relationship with Israel is also a part of rational and just foreign policy; they are a good ally of the United States, and we share the sacred values of individual life, liberty and property (pursuit of happiness).

Storm_Rider, you are correct.

I still fasil to see how the money that the westerner world sends to the muslims is a bad thing, like Shukri said. see Dubai, still a backward, barbaric society...and they are cleaning their butts on money!