UK: Schools may close during Ramadan to accomodate muslim students

JEWHAWK,
It has taken me 56 years to figure out what political "left" and political "right" mean. It seems to me that our founding fathers were neither by today’s understanding. Americanism, in my mind, is defined by our Declaration and Constitution (as actually written), and thereby should place our system in the middle - between right and left. Our founders were the "liberals" of their day; the "left" of their day because Authoritarian Monarchy was the "right." When the Marxist/Socialist Left finally came into political reality (French and Russian Revolutions), the political right was soon extinguished from the earth - ending with the defeat of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan . What we have left is the Marxist/Socialist Left and Americanism, the latter being to the right of the left, but actually standing in the same place as before which is "in the middle" between the left and the now defunct right. In my opinion Islamo-Fascism is now the only true “right” in the world.

The old "right" represents, in my mind, an elite class of rulers who tax a homogeneous population of serfs for the exclusive benefit of the ruling class; and no elections are required or tolerated.

The "left" represents, in my mind, an elite class of rulers who divide the population into the productive middle class and non-productive proletariat, robbing the former in order to pay the latter; and thereby purchasing the latter’s vote. This arrangement secures Leftists in their positions of political power through this property-related manipulation of the electoral process. Elections are tolerated, and in fact are required. The end result of the Leftist system is similar to the end result of the Rightist system because, as the middle class is robbed of property creatively attained through labor, their creativity is suppressed. The creativity of the recipient proletariat is also suppressed by a different mechanism: why work if you don't have to? As both groups in the end become less and less productive, the entire population sinks into serfdom under the heel of an elite Leftist ruling class. Voila: Left = Right.

It is my opinion that the Ancient Hebrew Revolution and the American Revolution are the only revolutions in history which; through blood, sweat and tears, adequately defended the sacred rights of man: Life, Liberty, Property (Pursuit of Happiness). It's somewhat like Spock would say: "Live Long, Live Free and Prosper."

Let me know what you think.

Here in Brazil,the impact of the 1989 Berlin Wall's fall was crushing on the left,that since then adapted themselves into Social-Democracy thought.
Today Brazil is under the Worker's Party (Partido dos Trabalhadores - "PT")a former
Unionist,Socialist Party,that is more CONSERVATIVE than America's Democratic
Party,and Lula da Silva much more closer to the GOP's fiscal conservatism .

Here,the "LEFT" is the label of the Communist Party,which forgot the Berlin wall and
pretend that everything is like it where before.They're a bunch of CRETINS.

The CENTER and RIGHT has the same ideology,meaning NONE,but the concept
of FREE ENTERPRISE ,LESS GOVERNMENT,BETTER PUBLIC SERVICES.

Clever, Storm Rider!

Ah, I see. The remedy for absenteeism is 100% absenteeism. Or, if you prefer, 100 = 0. Good stuff!

"They (Muslims) distorted all facts and changed all truths, all to serve their evil goals..." - a recent quote by a Christian nun.
This namby-pamby, cowardly, oh-so pc, wishy-washy Government makes me want to throw up.
Don't they realize that the UK is Christian, based on Christian values, formed on Christian morals (although with the current Government, those morals have been badly eroded in the youth of today).
Ramadan has no place in the UK - no place at all. If these muslims want to practice Ramadan for a month, then they should leave the UK and go to their country of origin. I am sick and tired of these demands made by this death cult. I am sick and tired with this Shukri who tangles every problem here by pasting misleading and lying statements instead of answering straight. He is just practising Taqqiya, lies and obfuscation.

"Don't they realize that the UK is Christian, based on Christian values, formed on Christian morals "...

Dear GeorgeOfTheJungle,not only Britain but ALL Europe is FOUNDED by Christianism.
The problem is that British Christians are becoming INDIFERENT,SECULAR,
ATHEISTIC and AGNOSTIC.
You must FIGHT this situation and urge your friends to ATTEND your nearest
church as much as you can,be an Anglican,Roman Catholic,whatever Christian-based faith you've got.Do as the Irishmen.They're all devout Catholics...and as far as I'm concerned,this is great news.
DON'T BEHAVE AS A MINORITY IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY.

Atheists are ruthless against religion of all sorts. You should see how atheists behave when they see islamic stupidity in action like this news or any stuff or violence that muslims do.

I'm an atheist, and hell ... I dont hold back when I criticize islam... I even have a few death threats for my collection :P
Pat Condell
Richard Dawkins
Christopher Hitchens are a few "famous" atheists that criticize islam. The problem that is running rampant in Britain is the PC brigade, hippies and the need of the politicians to secure islamic votes.

Necrowulf, old boy, I am an atheist, but I am not "ruthlessly" against religion, unless it is Islam. I have never tried to convert anyone to atheism, if "convert" is the appropriate word. Yes, if anyone of a religious persuasion tries to point out my "failure" I will give him both barrels, but I would never try to dissuade anyone, unprovoked, from that which gives him solace and comfort. I have no right to attempt such a thing. After all, I might be wrong! True, I have espoused my loathing of religion on this site, but only to make clear my viewpoint. I believe a world free of religion would be a better place, but that does not give me licence to attempt to destroy the foundation of many people's lives. If they leave me alone I will leave them alone. I get along famously with Jews and Christians and Buddhists and Hindus, but Muslims are something else: they are a pestilence; a vile, cancerous, odious, creeping, murderous malignance.

What I meant by it was that is, we don't mince words in criticizing religion. I don't convert people, in fact, I hate conversions. I don't do to others what I dont want others to do to me.

I live quite well with Christians, Buddhists , pagans and etc.. as long as they don't try to convert me, everything will be fine.

I think that good atheists can unite with good believers (Jews and Christians) on the subject of human rights. Believers consider life, liberty and property creatively attained through labor (pursuit of happiness), to be God-given individual rights; and that the protection of these rights to be the whole purpose of human government. While the good believer considers these most essential human rights to be sacred and unalienable, the good atheist can consider them irreversible based on a healthy concept of natural law. It all boils down to this: Will human government help or hinder people to live, to live free, and to prosper? Both Marxism and Political Islam are at odds with the sacred rights of man, and that is why there is an emerging anti-American alliance between the two.

”The state of nature has a law of nature to govern it, which obliges everyone: and reason which is that law, teaches all mankind who will but consult it, that being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty or possessions…“ John Locke

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke/

“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.” Samuel Adams

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..." Thomas Jefferson

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/i...

I don't have ANY problems with atheistic people.Au contraire,they
usually are very well-informed,reasonable fellows.I know that
because I used to be one of them!

The principles wisely written by the American founding fathers,
as well as the French thinkers of the 18th century sounds just like
a Mozart's piano Sonata to my ears,thus I'll always root for America
because we,Jews and Israelis, also endear this rationale .

“The rights of persons, and the rights of property, are the objects, for the protection of which Government was instituted.” James Madison

“Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.” James Madison

“Property is surely a right of mankind as real as liberty.” John Adams

"Property must be secured, or liberty cannot exist." John Adams

“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.” Samuel Adams

“In the general course of human nature, a power over man's substance amounts to a power over his will.” Alexander Hamilton

"In a free government almost all other rights would become worthless if the government possessed power over the private fortune of every citizen.” Chief Justice John Marshall

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” Thomas Jefferson

“Government big enough to supply everything you need (for the proletariat) is big enough to take everything you have (from the middle class)... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.” Thomas Jefferson

“The true foundation of republican government is the equal right of every citizen in his person and property and in their management.” Thomas Jefferson

"Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built." Abraham Lincoln

"You shall not steal" Eighth Commandment

"You shall not covet....anything that is your neighbors" Tenth Commandment

Storm_Rider:
That's exactly the content of many TEA PARTIES and Glenn Beck's 9/12 ers movement.It was a BACK TO THE BASICS
when those principles were deemed very important.

Meanwhile,CNN,MSNBC,Robert Gibbs,Mrs.Garofalo,John Stewart and other leftists MADE FUN of it.That's because their principles lies in MOSCOW,not Philadelphia.

John Locke was a seventeenth century English philosopher of the enlightenment who, as far as I know was the first, or one of the first, to say that an individual's property creatively attained through labor was a God-given natural human right. Individual human creativity results in the creation of property which becomes a reflection of man made in God's image, as God Himself is creative.

Jean Jacques Rousseau, a seventeenth century French philosopher of the enlightenment, believed otherwise in regards to the property created by individuals. He believed that the State should take possession of personal property, which could then be "equitably" redistributed; and this was called "social justice." This idea was further refined by - you know who - Karl Marx. Rousseau and Marx were wrong; Locke and Jefferson were right.

"The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows, "Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody." Jean Jacques Rousseau

http://www.constitution.org/jjr/ineq_04.htm

“The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property” Karl Marx

“In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your property. Precisely so; that is just what we intend.” Karl Marx

“You must, therefore, confess that by "individual" you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.” Karl Marx

“In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things. In all these movements, they bring to the front, as the leading question in each, the property question, no matter what its degree of development at the time.” Karl Marx

“The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state… Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property” Karl Marx

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/mani...

Necrowulf I love Pat Condell they should appoint him British Ambassador to the UN.
BTW If one doesn't receive death threats from the ROP then clearly one isn't
getting through.
Pat Condell has had hundreds.

Necrowulf:

I'm a Londoner, like yourself :)

Just to add; when people speak of 'jewish blood', it always makes me think that *they* think Jews have kosher chicken soup sloshing through out veins... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Sephardi Jewish food is GORGEOUS, by the way! Do you know from which country your Sephardi relatives originate...?

hahab I know what you mean about that "kosher chicken" lol
but it was meant as an alternative way of saying that my ancestors were Shepardi, I still carry the surname Ribeiro, Mendes(although not mendes, long family story that I cant be bothered to explain because of confusion in registration and all that mumbo jumbo )

I think it is connected to Portugal mostly, but sadly I cant be sure as the history of our families were lost... In fact, it is quite hard to find someone in Brazil who managed to discover his family history... even if he did, it was problematic!

I've got italian ancestry too, De Paula (Di Paola)

Back to the family thingie, I think they were trying to escape prosecution in Europe at the time, so they fled to Brazil, and then erased almost everything... because my family (the ones who carry mendes and ribeiro) are all catholics.

The interesting bit is, that with the increase of evangelism in Brazil, being anything but evangelical is getting a bit hard. Because the "pastors" profess a lot of hate towards anyone who is catholic, jew, hindu, atheist...the sort... I guess it attracts the illiterate masses :/

Logically the stuff never reached the islamic level of hate, but its getting there...

Dear Necrowulf,your family is from MARRANO origin.Actually many
Brazilians with those surnames are re-discovering their Jewish ancestry and craving for becoming Jews again,by converting to Judaism with
a certified Rabbi.
The Portuguese Jews fled from the Inquisition in Portugal and Spain to
live in Amsterdam (I've visited the Portuguese Synagogue there)and
then to Northeastern Brazil,where the Dutch ruled from 1630 to 1654,
when the Portuguese troops expelled them and FORCED the Jews to
leave or CONVERT into Christianism.Those who did convert were later
called MARRANOS (PIGS,in spanish) or "new-Christians" that ostensibly depict themselves as Catholics but were in fact Jews.
The Jewish cultural influence in early Brazilian History is considerable.

EVANGELICS:

"The interesting bit is, that with the increase of evangelism in Brazil, being anything but evangelical is getting a bit hard. Because the "pastors" profess a lot of hate towards anyone who is catholic, jew, hindu, atheist...the sort... I guess it attracts the illiterate masses :/"

They are HARMLESS.The most extreme act of violence from the
Evangelics against myself was a default in their Church's rent .I'd
rather have a deadbeat Evangelic than ANY muslim around!!

Jewhawk

Thank you for the information, although I already knew. But sadly, the details, exact origin, original names and everything else was lost :(

For you to have an ideia how it is there. Many people who have jewish surnames, like mine aren't aware of it, and the ones that are, sometimes they dont like it... when I told this to my grandmother, that we had jewish ancestry, she didnt like it. Sadly, judaism in Brazil still has that stigma...

You are right about the evangelics, but I want to say that not all of them, some of them threatens you or even make death threats to you. There are quite a few ramifications of evangelism in Brazil, and they bicker and batter between them, for example, "Renascer" and "Igreja universal do Reino de Deus" are both quite "vioent", especially if you mention the wrong doings of the founders of both of them.

The Renascer church, stole money from their "flock" and are currently running away from the Brazilian cops. The founder of the "Igreja universal do Reino de Deus" is quite known for teaching other pastors how to steal from their "flock", and there are even videos and of him almost "swimming" over the donations he received in the US. Other ramifications of those churches get kids to do the pastors job and they even scorn people who dont give 10% of their salary to the church.

I know this is about islam and everything, but I just wanted to show that in Brazil not everything is peace, hippies and roses. That it is not a safe heaven for anyone...

EDIT: But yes, it is still better than living on an islamic country though... lol

"Sadly, judaism in Brazil still has that stigma"

Of course.We are the "CHRIST KILLERS" and FOREVER we'll be seen as such,no matter what.I 've accepted that.

""Renascer" and "Igreja universal do Reino de Deus" are both quite "vioent" "

They are not violent.They're just CROOKS,smaller and
smarter versions of Bernie Madoffs disguised as religious folks.Actually they don't STEAL per se,for their flock DONATES to them.They can't be blamed for the other's asinine behavior.

"but I just wanted to show that in Brazil not everything is peace, hippies and roses. That it is not a safe heaven for anyone... "

My dear,you've just discovered the WHEEL.Of course
Brazil isn't ,as we used to say ," A Sea of Roses",but at least we are IMPROVING on every aspect of social,economic and political life,year after year.That's a statistical fact,so I'm extremely optimistic about Brazil's future.

You are right JEWHAWK;

Although you never experienced the full wrath of those evangelicals like I did, I even got a few exorcisms, and death threats... because lets face it, many of them has a violent background. But yes, they are crooks and not as violent as islam, and they might never be... but in my view they are still violent, of course never on an islamic level, which is the top high level :)

SEPHARDI:
I lived in Israel where I met a woman who spoke LADINO.It's very
similar to Portuguese,so I undertood very much all she said...it
sounds like spanish but the accent is definitely Portuguese.
The Sephardi Community in Brazil are VERY religious,unlike us,
Ashkenazis.

I've never heard Ladino!

It's the Sephardi equivalent to Yiddish, and yes, logically it would have echoes of Spanish and Portugese.

Interesting to learn more about Jews in Brazil :)

"may close"?

The language is highly indicative of the type of fear mongering being spewed by anti-Muslim hate groups.

Is there no end to the idiocy?

I'm a British Jew. I recognise and am happy to recognise that Britain is a CHRISTIAN country. Thus the national holidays are and should be the Christian ones.

I have never had any problem in enjoying the Jewish festivals; I took the time off school as did my fellow Jews, it disrupted nobody else and it was never, ever an issue.

Ditto for Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Pagans and all other people of non Christian faiths IN Britain. We have all, always, celebrated our own festivals and holidays and fast days but we have NEVER expected entire schools to close down because of them!

As a Brit, I can only clutch my head in abject despair at this latest bit of lunacy.

Shall we start taking bets on how long it is until we are all facing Mecca when we pray...?

Dear Infidel Tabatha,I can confirm every word you've said to depict
Brazilian Jewry.We all know that Brazil is a Christian country,thus
we deeply respect its holydays and we keep our Jewish ones,without
ANY problem whatsoever,therefore we NEVER would DEMAND to
the Brazilian Government to impose HANNUKA,ROSH HASHANA
or PURIM on Brazilian society.It'd be utterly absurd,provocative and
UNFAIR.

LUNACY:

I just can't find a better word to depict this situation,although it
actually help us all to understand the MALICE behind it,for it's
another step to ISLAMIZE your country.

Hi Jewhawk,

You are entirely correct. The number of concessions that has been granted to the Muslim community is really quite astonishing.

Here's one that will either make you laugh or scream, depending on your mood: Some Muslims objected to the fact that Police dogs have bare feet - so now, when said dogs have to search the homes of devout Muslims, they have to wear little BOOTIES on their paws.

I kid you not.

We've also had situations in recent years where community swimming pools have been closed to NON Muslims, because for example, Muslim women can't swim if there are men in the water.

The list goes on, and on...

Thanks for that one Tabatha I knew about the swimming pool nonsense but the"little booties" is priceless.
I can't wait for some police documentary where the order comes to place the booties when a search of a suspected terrorist's home is underway.
How gloriously sensitive!
They should have little patterns of the cartoon Mo on them.
If you have a documented source of this little gem I'll pass it on to Pat Condell.
I'm sure he'll love it.

My Rottweiller's feet really don't deserve to be
contaminated by entering a muslim home...it's
unbecoming.

Muslims say the DEVIL can come out from a dog's mouth,
that's why many muslim taxi drivers don't let dogs inside
their cars,even GUIDE DOGS for blind people.
This clearly can't match with the century we're living.

SWIMMING:

As far as I'm concerned,the muslim women could
swim on certain Brazilian rivers that are TEEMING
with PIRANHAS and alligators.There they can do whatever
they wish.

Tabatha, which city do you live?

Me either, I dont have any problems with any holiday whatsoever, as long as it is the standard of the country, for example, I live in London - UK ... so I respect the local holidays and laws, if I lived in a islamic country I would respect their laws. But yet, sadly they dont respect our laws.

It is the islamic need of controlling everybody that irritates me most . I have jewish blood from both sides of my family (father and mother), I have sephardi blood line. To tell you the truth... I'm kind of proud of it :P...although I'm an atheist... hehe

What NEXT?

British people (real one) will pay dearly for that decision.Sooner
than later,Britainistan will be an abhorrent reality.Pity.One of
the pillars of the Western Civilization will be no more such a thing...
and all of this WILLINGLY,without a fight,without a single argument...
like cattle going to the slaughterhouse.