Pakistan: 14 year old Kidnapped, raped and forcibly converted to islam

Islam the other religon. I ban towel heads, I ban Allah, only can say God. Go back East to Allah and Mohammad (Loves the little ones.) You don't think we can bomb you. we can we do it with bombs, our people are not killed. you kill your people cause you have no clue about technology, so you talk your muslim brothers and sisters into killing anyone, because they are truly dumb. I think the west should ban Islam since it doesn't allow others in there countries, screw them lets not allow them in our countries. We should do what they did in Norway instead of burning churches lets burn mosques. Get rid of the plague, once an for all. When they don't exist we will be free. ---- I personally don't like religion, its man made and its for controlling and the bottom line. by 2012 we will all be converted to Socialism! get ready. Wear your red star and black uniform.

Rape should be punishable by death. PERIOD.

What a disgrace to Islam!, im a muslim and they are definately going to go to hell. Seriously!!, Raping and kidnapping a 14 year old GIRL?????? WOW What a Disgrace Wallah

Hello
Dear seems to have hatred for Muslims as all your posts on Muslims and we are in the United States we have the most terrible situations of this, and I have videotapes of people, Americans and Europeans were raping girls in the age of 7 and 9 years it is fair that we also recognize our mistakes

Thanks

This is a sad case honestly.FIRST of all this this against ISLAM.were does it allow to rape girls? no were in any religion says that.It is forbidden and server punishmment should be taken. Then forcing converting her to Islam.i personily cant believe that.Quran 10.99
if your lord had willed all the people on the earthwould have believed. do you think you can force people to be believers?
Quran 2.256
there is no compulsion in religion. true guidance has become clearly distinct from error.
Quran 88. 21-22
so remind them. you are ONLY a reminder. you are not in CONTROL of them.
You cannot force anyone to believe in anythiing.

This is a sad case honestly.FIRST of all this this against ISLAM.were does it allow to rape girls? no were in any religion says that.It is forbidden and server punishmment should be taken. Then forcing converting her to Islam.i personily cant believe that.Quran 10.99
if your lord had willed all the people on the earthwould have believed. do you think you can force people to be believers?
Quran 2.256
there is no compulsion in religion. true guidance has become clearly distinct from error.
Quran 88. 21-22
so remind them. you are ONLY a reminder. you are not in CONTROL of them.
You cannot force anyone to believe in anythiing.

Words fail me. So this is the peaceful religion!!! BARBARIC ANIMALS, Apologies to animals.

Ha lol, them comments really sound like a 14 year old freshy girl from Pakistan talking. Sure, it's funny how bloggers for anti-religious websites ALWAYS manage to get such special coverage of events that are rarely mentioned otherwise. Cool.

" Muslims Are Cool " ?
Are they?
NOPE.


Muslims can only be cool DEAD.

That way they can't shove explosives in their assholes or stuff
their shoes or underware with it.

They wanna DIE, anyway.

Just give a call to the Hatzerim Air Force Base in Israel and our
Apaches and F-16's will GLADLY provide you all, filthy muslims,
an ONE-WAY TICKET to your sexual, sodomy heaven, the "paradise".

We just call that place HELL.

Nothing strange about it mac rape, murder,and bombing by Muslim maniacs is such an everyday occurrence ;that in the wacky, mad, bad world of Islam is an everyday event.
Try www.religionofpeace.com if you're interested in the score.
The bodies just keep piling up!
Has some kufr lady felt your forceful tumescence recently?
One of your coreligionists was sentenced to 14yrs(about 50yrs to short)yesterday for drugging and raping two 13 yr olds!
He was only following religious instruction of course!

The only fishy element here appears in the surprisingly supportive reaction of the Pakistani police. Since when has a dhimmi family anywhere in an islam-majority country enjoyed the protection of the local police in any altercation with a muslim neighbor? With all the disarray in this country, I wonder if the authenticity of the report can be ascertained?

This is the way peaceful Islamic people convert women to Islam. Islam is barbaric and it will never change.

rape statistics -
Canada 77.36 per 100,000
Saudi Arabia 0.22 per 100,000
United States of America 31.85
now you could argue that rapes are unreported in Saudi Arabia
but that also applies to America.

This incident that you are discussing - the men should be strung up or shot dead.
the bastards that did this - if its true, have been influenced by this western capitalist society and you can add what you like, UN figures.

You disgusting animals do it in the name of the paedophile you all follow!!

Fascinating, have you forgotten that usually in islamic countries people who report rape, the women, are flogged, stoned or severely punished for even having sex with unrelated males?

Obviously, you forgot about that... or you knew it, but decided to make a blind eye to it. ISlamic countries statistics on diseases, rapes and many other human rights violations are not accurate for various reasons, which inclues lack of education to social stigma and reprisals from the islamic law, like in this case... Rape victims are treated like "shit".

Right you are,dear Necrowulf.Don't forget that there is not a single
gay in Iran,according to Ahmadinejad.This is quite an accomplishment...

You cant split hairs about savage behavior. No matter how you slice it or dice, it is criminal exploitation of the weak and the vulnerable. If you demand it must be a christian, of the same age of the same bust, of the same skin complexion, etc etc, it is an wildly dangeorous demand not a socially responsible one!..!

If oyu want cultural barbarism, here is the concrete and compelling evidence from a pakistani news outlet:
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15 october 2002 tuesday 08 shaban 1423
Violence claimed 10 lives: indian police
Mumbai, oct 14: Indian police said on Monday ten people had died and over 140
injured in communal violence in western india over comments by us baptist minister
Jerry Falwell against the holy prophet (pbuh).
"one more person succumbed to injury taking the death toll to ten," said a police
spokesman. "however, there has been no fresh incident of violence since sunday night.
the situation continues to be tense, but under control."
Solapur, a city of more than one million people some 600kms west of Mumbai, was hit
by sectarian [read "communal"] violence since Friday after muslim youths protested Falwell's derogatory remarks. Falwell..a conservative known for his rabble-rousing remarks.."
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People of one community communally target a weaker one repeatedly over many centuries. That is the point about the sectarian violence in Iraq or India or Pakistan whee Sunni muslims are under scrutiny for such wild uncivilized behavior.

Remember the above savage incident had nothing to do with any Indian or Indian leader!!

First, stop copying and pasting...leave a link if you have to.

Second, once again, more Muslims killing other people because they're pissed about someones speech. The Islamic culture is inherently violent. There are a few groups who are non-violent, who support political Jihad, and then there are even fewer Muslims who actually believe in American values. VERY FEW

Islamic violence is non uncommon. It's what Muhammed called for so where's the shock? Everytime a Muslim attacks someone in the name of Islam, my suspicions are confirmed. Everyday around the world, in some place, a person is killed by a raging Muslim. Everyday...

people here obviously have misunderstood islam.islam is a religion of peace.if a chiristian kills someone you cannot blame the whole of christian comunity for it.just like that if a few muslims, in the name of religion, which they are misusing, do something bad or kill some one doesnt mean that all muslims think that way.and as for jihad, it came on those times when makkah was invaded enimies.and it is still practiced by those who need do defend them selves or thier country.killing anyone freely in the name of jihad is wrong in islam.as for the rapes and killings i am sorry that i am bringing india into this, but all you bloggers please go and see what is happening thier.hindus are killing thier own kind (achute) or the non touchables.everyday 4-5 girls are raped.men are killed.but we dont call all hindus evil just becuase some of them are bad.extrimists are every where.in every religion.i can see many here as well.
but calling a religion bad and our holy prophet (pbuh) what ever every one has siad above is not right.i know i cannot do anything to stop you guys.but please if possible keep religion out of it.i dont think i can find websites like this one created by muslims for any other religion.why is everyone thinking about killing one another.havnt you guys heard of the word "solution"??
not all muslims are like that.and as for wearing a shirt with american flag on it let me tell you that in pakistan we are big fans of WWE.on kids wear these shirts all the time.and thier is an american flag on it as well.we have NEXT here.the UK brand.it has the UK flag on almost all of its clothing.and we wear them.
as for taliban.they were created by America to fight against russia.to defeat them.and they did just that.but US government forgot to create a medicine for thier own menace.and as a result Pakistan is suffering the most.how many people in america have died in this war on terror and how many pakistanis have died?do you have a count?Hilary clinton today admitted this same thing.you didnt post it.why??
i know my post will be read and replied with negatively.but please everyone cool down.and think for once.what are we fighting here for??and please dont say muslims.beacuse if a man is kills 7 people in mall in US and then kills him self, that is not a muslims fault.

I am in the middle of what I intend to be a patient study of Islam and will not verbally slap you around for being defensive about your religion on a website like this. So many of the postings contain evidence that the writers are alarmed, angry and repulsed by much that you find charming and precious. The name calling and insults indicate that the writer's ability to fully express that anger and alarm has been reached and exceeded.

The notion that islam's bad reputation comes from the behaviors of a minority of ignorant extremists needs serious analysis. Truly, all religions suffer from the fools that sign up and struggle to discover how to express the essence of the religion in their individual behaviors. Having read a good deal in the Quran and ahadith ( Khubari's collection), I would offer a distinction for you to consider. People who have used the Bible to support their embrace of anti-semitism, racism, misogyny, slavery, greed etc VIOLATE the religion's rule book. Christians rise in support of the Bible's teachings and oppose those who misuse its meaning. (Wilberforce in England fights against slavery from a biblical orientation; America fights a civil war to end slavery on the basis that its presence in their christian country is an affront to all the bible intends. People who use the Quran and supporting ahadiths to embrace the likes of slavery etc actually APPLY the very teachings of those writings. The OCCASIONAL sura to the contrary turns out to have been abrogated by later, generally more violent suras. Islam produces no Wilberforce, no Lincoln, no country's crusades against slavery because the religion's central books forbid the very thought.

Islam suffers not so much from the behavior of a few confused and angry extremists; its central writings announce its intention to impose itself violently upon the world, killing those who resist or reducing them to the horrible status of dhimmi-ness. Polygamy and sex with 9 year old children taken in marriage are taught in the Quran, lived out as examples in the life of the Prophet, supported in numerous ahadith and upheld in sharia courts world-wide.

Please respect my alarm and dismay at the clearly stated essence of Islam and the way the religion expresses itself in the Moslem Community. I come by that alarm from patient study of central texts and from reading pro-islamic sites. You may not embrace the numerous un-abrogated suras and comments that drive "extreme" islamic behavior, but I would challenge you to determine whether you AVOID and IGNORE them or whether you have, without permission from any scholar, re-opened the long-closed Gates of Ijtihad (Open Inquiry into the meaning of the suras etc) and created a more benign version of Islam than has presented itself to the world for inspection.

It is very common in India also. My friend sent me this:-
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Sexual Abuse of Hindu Student - 'MINORITY' boys convicted
25/02/2009 14:41:02 Three convicted in SME ragging case PNS | Kottayam
Special Court judge K Sasidharan Nair of Kottayam on Wednesday pronounced guilty first three of the total nine accused in the case relating to the sexual abuse of a junior Nursing girl student at the School of Medical Education (SME) at Arupukkara. The punishment for the convicted trio would be announced on Thursday.

The court concluded that final-year nursing students Ranjith Varghese of Kollam, Sherin of Muvattupuzha and Shefeeq Yusuf from Athirampuzha. First, second and third accused respectively, had abused the girl sexually in the name of ragging. The crime was committed on October 21, 2005. The judge observed that the crime of the convicts included gang rape. The other six accused were acquitted for want of convincing evidence.

Legal experts said that the court had found the accused guilty under Sections 376 and 342 and the Act against ragging in colleges. They said the trio could be punished up to ten years in prison. They pointed out that ragging itself was seen by Judiciary as a horrible crime and the offense here included rape as well. The trial in the case had started on October 21, 2008, exactly three years since the day the crime was committed
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Can we legalize morality and end barbaric behavior?!

rape is always terrible. but please don't pull the cultural equivalence card here. This story is specifically about a CHILD being kidnapped, raped and FORCED TO MARRY AND CONVERT TO ISLAM.

Big difference...

and why not???just because a muslim rapes or kills some one you come up with a post.but if same is done by a non-muslim you dont post it.why??those people probably came up with this excuse of converting and marrying her after thier hidious crime was uncovered.this is not what islam teaches us.yes having sexual relations with a man before marriage, in islam is not allowed.but these punishments that are given to the girl after that is not in islam.people do what ever their culture teaches them.they punish them according to thier culture.and not all muslims are like that.i can bet in US alone thier must be 100's of muslim girls who have sexual relations with other males without marriage.(not that i am proud of them)but have you heard anyone being punished this way?no.these stories that you post here happen in small villages and rural areas.where half of the people dont even know how to read quran.they dont know the basic laws and principles of islam.so dont estimate all muslims by one's behaviour.

Aisha - You are as ignorant as those that you try to defend. The purpose of this site is not to report rape. As Necrowulf has already pointed out, it is about using rape to convert innocent people to your barbaric religion/culture. Forced conversions are clearly nothing new and definitely not small in number. Then there are also those who are raped and/or murdered for leaving Islam. You think this post was difficult to "come up with"? Google it and you will see. It would not be possible to post them all. There are also more than 5,000 honor killings committed every year and then there are those that go unreported. You claim that the people who commit these acts are too ignorant to read or to understand basic laws. Someone who is that lacking in human instinct should not be allowed to roam free, but should be locked up like the animals they are. I think the morons in some of the more developed areas of the middle east must also be ignorant and unable to read/understand because this is clearly not the practice of "small village" inhabitants alone. Your Islam seems to be rotting the brains of an overwhelming number of people. Civilized people do not "do whatever their culture teaches them". There are laws and criminals are punished by the laws of the land, not according to what their culture teaches. You are wrong. There are incidents of this nature and other "honor killings" that are creeping into normal countries everywhere at a more than alarming rate. I am going to assume that you are among those that does know how to read and comprehend. Why don't you start with this? www.stophonourkillings.com

Christine_S

You nailed it, better than I did :)
Sadly Aisha might never read what we wrote, and sadly if she does, will be instantly filtered by the "islam-o-filter" and in her head will read "muslim good, infidel baaaaddddd grraaaaaagghhhh!"

A 14 year-old girl is raped and you ask "And why not???" Yup, you're a Muslim, alright.

Aisha, you little deluded thing. One is a rape and another is a rape with INTENT of converting someone.

Are you missing something, or your screws are just lose and need some of them tighten up?

Islam teaches you that you can only have sex with a married women, how do you do that when the males are just horny idiots who wants to fuck the first goat they see? Marry them, convert them...then divorce.

We have heard muslims girls being punished this way, have you ever read about honour killings in the US, Netherlands, UK and France? Of course you omitted those, it doesn't fit in your agenda. ~HAve you ever read about muslim girls being tricked back to their shithole of a country just to get married so they can no longer dishonour the family?

Of course you did, you even know about all this stuff, but you omitted them because it doesn't,again, fit your agenda of islamisation.

http://forums.sulekha.com/forums/coffeehouse/Se...

she took it from here...now this is what i call dubious source hehe

I think they call that fellatio, Shukri.

A person's DNA changes over time? That's news to me. Gosh, they teach you cutting edge stuff in the Islamic world! But then, old Mohahammed was fond of the sword, wasn't he?

Of course homosexuals are different from heterosexuals. Their DNA makes it so - the immutable DNA they were born with. But to resort to the concept of normality when discussing people is to open the doors to grave dangers. You refer to a person's having a condition that is not normal. The condition might not be normal, but the person is.

Once again, the shortcomings of DISQUS prevent my replying to your message as per normal, Hellosnackbar. It irritates the hell out of me. Yes, Turing has long been one of my heroes, too. What a mind!! Had he been Muslim he would have been burned at the stake, or whatever these neanderthals are wont to do. It is said that Newton, perhaps the greatest of them all, was homosexual. Who cares? Had he been Muslim, F = ma would never have seen the light of day, let alone his work into "fluxions".

This fascinates me: every homosexual male friend I have is genuinely highly intelligent, while my lesbian friends are not. Make what you will of that! I'm not going there! Please, girls, don't attack me. I'll agree with everything you say!

Odd that Shukri should take exception to homosexuality. I was led to believe Arab men had a certain fondness for young boys. Is it a myth? If so, how did the myth ever begin? After all, no-one says such things about the Irish, do they?

I thought that was "Greek love" and they passed it on to the turks and they, in turn, passed it on to the arabs (course they had to ween them off their goats, sheep and camel things they had going on). And when did the cross dressing thing take off....after mohammad showed them how when he hung out in Aiesha's lingere? Mo was a very weird dude....

There was a young Imam from Cairo
Who said about sex I do know.
A woman is fine.
A young boy is divine.
But a camel is numero uno.
Start a Limerick thread Shukri so that we may feel the sting of your pithy wit!

Shukri, I am unable to reply to your message directly because there is no "reply" facility under it, but I hope you will see this. You can stand at the top of Mount Mohammed and proclaim loftily that hate is an ugly, corrosive and destructive influence until you are blue in the face, but we are not all Jesus Christs, Gandhis or Einsteins. We mere mortals are all too prone to feeling hate if the stimulus is sufficiently threatening. Perhaps we need a few more years of evolution if we are to eradicate it. Yes, evolution: the stuff you do not believe happens.

But are we really talking about hate? I do not believe so. Did those who flew over Germany and Japan to unleash widespread death hate those they were killing? No, they did not. They had a job to do: to sweep aside that which threatened to destroy them and everything they believed in. It was not bigotry, either - remember, we were discussing bigotry, not hate, but you have moved the goalposts again, as is your wont. Stick to the topic, man, and don't indulge in flannel to evade the issue.

Please do not try to tell us who keep a sharp eye on Muslim adventurists that Islam poses no threat to the non-Islamic world: your wretched book overflows with such ambition. Who was the chap who said, not long ago, that he will not be satisfied until a moon flag flies over the Houses of Parliament? This is not a threat to the British way of life? Suppose I said I will not rest till a pair of JLo's knickers fly over that black stone in Mecca ...... would that not upset Muslims?

I notice, by the way, that your trenchantly avoiding answering my questions pertaining to witnesses and associated corroboration. I wonder why.

"...Suppose I said I will not rest till a pair of JLo's knickers fly over that black stone in Mecca ...... would that not upset Muslims?..."

hahahaha, I want to see this! :P Till' then, would you satisfy with upskirt shots? :P

Necrowulf, my friend, I was going to say JLo's SOILED knickers, but I forgot, dammit.

Upskirt shots are all very well, but one would need a powerful telephoto lens to reach to the ghastly forbidden regions of typically-clad Muslim women. Not for me, thank you!

hahahahahahahaha... That was even funnier. A thong or a G-string would make it even more offensive...

Frankly not even I am interested in upskirt of muslim women, hairy, dirty and smelly...no thanks. The only exception are the Iranians and Turkish women, those are great; But then again, they were conquered by muslims, so it shows that they still retain their habit of cleanliness instead of adopting the islamic motto "Young, hairy or smelly = heaven" :P

I shall bow to your greater knowledge, my boy!

Truthfully, the only problem I have with any muzleem that offends me is what to do with the body. Should I crack their skull and feed them to the hogs or just fire up the backhoe and dig a hole and pollute the soil?

I CANT BELIEVE YOU GUYS ARE TAKING THIS IDIOT SERIOUSLY AND ARE DEBATING HIM ON ISSUES COME ON MAN YOU ARE EITHER NAIVE OR OR NOT EVEN AWARE OF THE REALITY,THESE HOOLIGONS HAVE TO BE CARPET BOMBED.

Dude, turn off CAPS lock...

After some thought I would like to say a few words in defense of our pal Shukri.
Is he deluded?well of course!(his approval of the US embassy invasion and aspiring to the creation of a Caliphate are indefensible)not to mention a whole pile of nonsense spouted on the beauty and justice of Islamic theology.
But Shukri is a believer and fueled by an infused ridiculous ideology(I'd be surprised if he was a convert)tries to stand his ground against the tirade of justifiable ridicule he gets here.
His good points are:He eschews violence.He believes many of his coreligionists are
unislamic.(a dangerous point of view old chap)if you exercise such views amongst
less enlightened members of your faith.
He never gets hysterical.He rightly condemns criminality.
He believes in his form of justice and condemns barbaric behaviour.
He's a student(not of evolutionary biology I conjecture);but I can remember when I was young and believed in socialism(wince ,wince!)
Perhaps in later years he will reflect on the the futility of defending the indefensible.
And arrive at the logical conclusion that he was naive.
Shukri is a US resident and citizen and has admitted that this status affords him privileges that are unavailable to people living under the yoke of Islamic tyranny.
(but of course he blames corrupt politicians whereas mad clerics seem to get a waiver)
If muslims were like the Amish or Jews then this site wouldn't exist.
But they are not! they believe(the obvious nutters that is)that imaginary Allah has
given them the right to take over the world in her name.
Shuri points out that the so called Ummah is 1.4 billion strong and that there are many flavours(i.e that a significant majority do not countenance the death and destruction of all infidels).
That said is it ?or is it not? the duty of innocent golden rule embracing muslims to rise up and firmly denounce the "heretics"of your faith?and endeavour to marginalise
and defeat the forces of Armagedon?
Or are you cowed into submission(pun intended)by the predictable death sanction that,that would invite?
Tell us Shukri! we await your sagacious answer.

"...He's a student(not of evolutionary biology I conjecture)..."

From what I've gathered in data, I believe he is not a student of any science (which includes, physics, maths, engineering, biology, forensics, evolution, geology, ...etc..etc) or history(Archeology, although it is a science, but lets put it here just to look nice).

Maybe he is a "business" student or something, because if he studied anything with science he would know how important reliable sources are, what not to quote, what to avoid and not speculate... And he would definitely stop quoting quaranic verses and saying that "if you study even more science you will believe in the quran"... which for me that last quote, in comparing metaphorically, was the last straw of credibility he had with me.

"His good points are:He eschews violence"

Most Muslims say this; but in the end they benefit from Islamist violence as it advances the Military/Political/Social dimension of their religion, and enslaves their neighbors that are not murdered; for example, the Copts of Egypt.

The majority of Muslims say they are against violence directed against innocent people, but all non-Muslims are guilty in their religious sense - and that is ultimately the all-important sense. Their holy book says that non-Muslims are guilty, and should roast in the fire; and they are required to follow the book at risk of themselves being roasted in the fire or having their head removed from the torso.

We live in interesting times. Victory for human liberty is not a given; particularly since the Islamists have allies within the West, i.e.: Marxists.

YOU BASTERED SHUKRI I PISS ON YOU AND THE BEST IN YOU, THE MODERATE IN YOU THE PEACEFULL IN YOU.YOU ARE ALL GARBAGE.FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPIST. YOU BLOODY FOOLS.

Spootnik, dear fellow, I entirely understand your sentiments, but to stoop to the level of Muslims is to do our cause a disservice. I will readily join you in pissing upon anything that has the odour of Islam, for it is the greatest danger our species has ever faced, and I'll eat lashings of asparagus before doing so, but as I see it our aim on this site is to spread the word; to persuade others - the fence-sitters - to join our ranks. Let us demonstrate that we are in all ways superior to these mongrels, and let us destroy them by reasoned argument. Muslims have no defence to reasoned argument, so those such as Shukri resort to amusing contortions in order to defend the indefensible. Mohammed himself was a master of this strategy, inventing new revelations at the drop of a hat in order to further his cause, and his side-kicks, seeing the material benefits that would immediately accrue from his cunning, strove might and main to turn his word into law. I welcome every one of Shukri's contributions to our site, and wish there were many more like him, for with their every utterance they dig their grave. Islam, like vile anaerobic microbes, cannot withstand the glare of the radiant sun and the fresh air of Truth. Muslims are most dangerous when they are fourth columnists in an unsuspecting world, so whenever they bare their tainted souls they give grounds for the wise to ride into battle.

Hear! hear! Beej, John, and NW.
Reasoned derision is much more effective than outright invective.
Just ask Fukri!
Love the anaerobes metaphor Beej.
Islam is a contagious pathology amongst the feeble minded.
Transmitted by chronically infected vectors.
Syphilis comes to mind.

Putain ,shukri you are Heavy.....the worst part about it is that these idiots believe what they say...The brain is completely washed and programmed, they are soulless robots, they also do not understand the world around them in the West, they are not more than Cockroach with beards who wipe their ass with their hand.Tonto and Neocrowulf i found you very patient with this Vermin who just laugh of you in your back,but you had nice comments.

Pierre, now now, no need for name calling, mon frere =D

Infidelesto and Beejj, I will make your words my words aswell

Tone it down Spootnik. Don't stoop below the level of Shukri. No need for all caps either.

Mr. spootnik2000 is actually very indicate of the anti-Islam kind of person. And we thought there was freedom and tolerance in America--not for some people, like blacks and Muslims, I guess.

Has anyone tried the experiment, I suggested previously, of putting on a Muslim cap for a day? (what it looks like: http://tinyurl.com/dmhnzc). If you survive, please report back your experiences. It's just a piece of cloth; but, man, talk about witnessing hate...

Shukri, I dare you to wear an American Flag t-shirt and walk through just about ANY Islamic State.

I've actually never seen an American wear an Old Glory t-shirt.

Symbols are in fact only adopted by those who are shallow. Truly patriotic people do not need flag-waving to establish their identity.

SHUKRY:
"I've actually never seen an American wear an Old Glory t-shirt.

Symbols are in fact only adopted by those who are shallow. Truly patriotic people do not need flag-waving to establish their identity."
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Your post is simply LAUGHABLE.Americans are the most patriotic people
on EARTH.And they SHOULD be,for America IS the greatest country in
Human History.

Muslims,on the other hand,CAN'T display such nationalistic fervor,for they
fight to re-estabilish the CALIPHATE from Morocco to Persia,without recognizing
COUNTRIES,nor its BORDERS.The concept of a modern country is completely at odds with the Koran,besides being a hated,un-islamic WESTERN CONCEPT.

There's nothing wrong with a Caliphate, if that is what the people want.

The borders in the Muslim were drawn up by colonialists who wanted to divide and conquer. Hence, borders are not inherently good, because they can be imposed by vile people. However, they can be necessary to protect a country from its enemies.

There is something wrong with a Caliphate, just like there is something wrong with a Communist or Fascist State. What is wrong with these systems of government? Each refuses to accept that all people are created equal before the law; each is destructive of the sacred rights of individuals to life, liberty and creative pursuit of happiness (property); and each derives unjust government power without the informed consent of the governed.

There's nothing wrong with a caliphate. A caliphate is amazingly actually better than a democracy(!), because minorities in a caliphate do NOT have to toe the line of the majority.

See: http://tinyurl.com/2cngn5

"If I were living in a caliphate,I'd be living a as a DHIMMI,paying tributes that muslims wouldn't pay."

This is false. Dhimmi's are people who have been given a covenant of protection by the Muslims. The dhimmi does not pay "tribute", rather they only pay their share of national defense expenditures.

This is not discriminatory because the Muslims too have their own taxes which ONLY Muslims are required to pay, i.e: Zakat.

SHUKRY:

"There's nothing wrong with a caliphate. A caliphate is amazingly actually better than a democracy(!), because minorities in a caliphate do NOT have to toe the line of the majority."

I strongly disagree with your assessment.The capliphate could be YOUR choice,but hardly mine.Here in Brazil I'm FREE to vote,to be elected,to perform any profession I choose,to live as a JEW without any persecution whatsoever.That's DEMOCRACY at
full throttle.
If I were living in a caliphate,I'd be living as a DHIMMI,paying tributes that muslims wouldn't pay.During Islamic -Era in Spain,that's exactly hoa the Jews lived under the Islamic yoke.
I simply DO NOT WANT this to me.

Your ideas are REPULSIVE.

I know enough about the Totalitarian legal system (Sharia) and the mass-murdering military system (Jihad) of Islam; just as I know enough about Nazism. Destroyed skyscrapers and severed heads is a picture in my mind which speaks louder than your words of propaganda.

Enemy - You are my Enemy. I know enough to say that.

No government is perfect. But that's no excuse to bash what you don't know about

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/ISLAM/CALIPH.HTM

Shukri: "A caliphate is amazingly actually better than a democracy(!), because minorities in a caliphate do NOT have to toe the line of the majority."

Your precious caliphate is a form of tyranny - a religious oligarchy - the Islamic form of Totalitarianism. Our founding fathers knew what to do with the likes of you - it was six foot therapy. Like a Communist or Nazi sympathizer, you are my enemy; because you are the enemy of my life, my freedom, and my property - the enemy of my God-given human rights. As an avowed enemy of the United States, you should be banned from this site.

"Where the law of the majority ceases to be acknowledged, there government ends; the law of the strongest takes its place, and life and property are his who can take them." Thomas Jefferson

An Islamic Caliphate is a Muslim's ultimate wet dream. Of course you want it.

http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/03/27/islamic-c...

Shukri you are a lost soul...

And the muslim cap you mentioned is not a symbol?

It's not a symbol, but considered to be good manners.

There was a time when, even in the west, no educated person ever went outside without something covering their heads.

You contradict yourself. You complain that when you wear your muslim cap, it triggers hate, that has to mean it's muslim symbolism is triggering that hate. Now you turn around and say "It's not a symbol, but considered to be good manners." You can't have it both ways.

There's nothing wrong with covering your head, I wear ball caps all the time to protect my almost bald head. To any non-muslim, the solution is simple, wear a different hat. It's only someone who's religious enough to want to wear a religious symbol, like your "muslim cap", despite the consequences, that has a problem.

"You're being defensive over a simple excersise in logic. "

SirWilhelm, I'm not sure what exercise you mean, but a Muslim doesn't wear a cap or head covering because of it being a symbol.

Symbol: "def. Something that represents something else by association, resemblance, or convention, especially a material object used to represent something invisible."

Rather, the cap has a *purpose*. I.e: to protect the head, and to follow the manners shown by the Prophet of Islam. It is "manners" and not religious symbol, because the majority of peoples have always considered, or used to always consider, the hat as the mark of a gentleman.

http://tinyurl.com/yy72qj

It's not a contradiction that our religion encourages covering your head, *because* it is good manners to do so. Secondly, my point is that some people identify a "Muslim" cap with Islam, and consequently target this person because of their hate . A baseball cap is not identified with any religion.

Anyway, I respectfully disagree that people should change what they wear, simply because some hateful bigot is going to target them.

You're being defensive over a simple excersise in logic. But then you are defensive about your religion in general. I am trying to get you to see the problem is not with you, but with your religion.

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Shukri, muslims are no where near as target as you think. If it was like that, then I would notice people staring at muslims here in London. But they dont...

You even forgot to comment on what I said... this shows how selectively blind you are.

One is a religious symbol the other one is a fashion status.

Shukri, do you the difference?



Please shukri, could you go to the jews from Yemen, which are few and far between, they are escaping prosecution from the muslims, that why there are so few of them. Tell them that they are not suffering prosecution, for them to return to their land and not worry if they get killed.

if you do that, then ill wear that crap for 3 days,

Covering the head is neither a "fashion statement" nor a "religious symbol" in any religion.

Please read up about it:

http://tinyurl.com/2vypkj
http://tinyurl.com/dnmcqn

It is called Fashion. Shukri, do you what fashion is? Hint: It is not religious!

"so you think everyone walked with something in their head every time they went out on the street?"

Yes, there was a time, even in western countries, where this was the case.

wait...so you think everyone walked with something in their head every time they went out on the street?

oh dude... you are way too far gone!

"...A religious habit is a distinctive set of garments worn by members of a religious order..."

Shukri, did you read what I wrote? Again, nope... do you accept the challenge? Of course not, because you already know that jews suffer under islam.

Shukri, you mean the "hate" that people just go on with their lives without bothering you muslims? Or the kind of hate that no one seems to care about you? Or the hate that quite comically only happens when yourselves stage it?

Hey man, seriously just put on a Muslim cap and go about your daily business for 3 days. Judging by my experience, people will seriously start hating on you, even if you think they're your friends.

"A bigot is a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

It is wrong to hate a Muslim because of his cap, but it is not bigotry to hate evil; and it is the evil of Totalitarian Islamic Sharia Law, and the evil of mass-murdering Islamic Jihad that makes people hate those aspects of the Muslim religion. Hatred of evil is not only good, it is an obligation; it has been commanded by God.

"The fear of the Lord is to hate evil" Proverbs

There is nothing in the Shariah that is not noble. Unfortunately, you seem to have let media caricatures guide your views. Please study Islam from more reliable sources, and you may find a different view.

Kind regards.

hehehehehe... Shariah, noble?

Oh dear ... Shukri, Shariah is one of the most barbaric set of laws we have today!

Noble... hehe, that was the funniest thing I've heard in a while, it almost beats the post where Jade said that Pigs are farming grounds for mutant virus... hahahahaha

Wow...just wow! You call that merciful?! I call that Barbaric until the end!

What's barbaric is allowing industries to evolve around keeping people in cages.

Islamic law, on the other hand, is merciful:

"During a drought in Caliph Umar’s (RAA) reign, the punishment of hand-cutting was not imposed on a thief, as the prevailing economic situation did not warrant such penalty. This was not the personal view of Caliph Umar (RAA), but a verdict substantiated by a Hadith of the Prophet (PBUH). Therefore, the punishment of hand-cutting of a thief can only be imposed when the state fulfils the people's basic needs such as food, clothing, shelter, education and health etc."

http://tinyurl.com/dgsm35

SHUKRY:

"Hey man, seriously just put on a Muslim cap and go about your daily business for 3 days. Judging by my experience, people will seriously start hating on you, even if you think they're your friends"

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I don't need to wait for three days to hate you.In three HOURS a lot
of people in here were already hating you.WHY?
Because you advocate an EVIL AGENDA.With this "sad" post you acted like
if you were the VICTIM,when we all know that the reality is quite the opposite.

Do I hate you?
YES.
Do I hate your DEATH CULT (ISLAM)?
YES.

At least I'm being HONEST in here,unlike you.

Hate's not good for you, my friend. You probably have serious blood pressure problems because of it. It's far better to be dispassionate about anything that doesn't determine our eventual fate.

Regarding honesty:

"It is of the adab of the high path of Islam to be honest when one speaks. The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “Honesty certainly leads to goodness, and goodness leads to paradise. Truly, a man keeps speaking the truth until he is inscribed as being true through and through. And lying leads to going wrong, and going wrong leads to hell. Truly, a man lies and lies until he is inscribed as being a liar through and through” (Muslim, 4.2012–13: 2607. S). - http://tinyurl.com/7u4vgg

oh...here is another source that is very iffy.

can you back this up? its misquoted!

Also, here's the bio of the author: http://tinyurl.com/4fadha

Why iffy? From the fact that "[Sahih] Muslim" is the source, we know for sure that these words were actually spoken by the Prophet of Islam, upon whom be prayers and peace.

http://tinyurl.com/23c227

Shukri, please answer what I asked.
Secondly; http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2007/table_01.htm

So, if I go out with jewish symbols on a islamic neighborhood in the Us or any western country I would be DEAD...

Shukri, care to see the stats before you say something utterly stupid?

Nonsense, I've personally seen Jews with black hats, coats, and Star of David pendants walking the streets of Muslim countries, without anyone harassing them.

In the US, people like Imam Siraj, have cleaned up drug-filled neighborhoods, and made dangerous city blocks safe for people.

http://tinyurl.com/d6llax

Shukri, you obviously have never read what others write, have you?

hahaha, that news is rare, it usually doesnt happen as much as the reverse.


Have you purposely ignored the source of hate crimes that I quote from the FBI? Well, silly me...of course you did, you wouldn't say what you just did.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2007/table_01.htm

I have never seen a Jew walking in a islamic neighborhood without getting funny, weird and even threathening looks from the muslims. It is quite rare to even find one that walks there.

Shukri, seriously, go read what others write and try not to be blinded by your religion...

I have, and your argument is very dubious. Since when is anti-Semitic hate being exclusively proponed by "islamic neighborhood in the Us..."? Unfortunately, you seem to be very loose with your facts

http://tinyurl.com/5oxbmq

I wonder why!!!

It's because they are bigots.

Bigotry is an unpleasant business to which we are all liable occasionally. You say that those who view Muslims with distaste are bigots, but I'm not sure it is the appropriate word. While some might be bigots pure and simple, others - most? - feel hostility as a result of the threat they perceive Islam to constitute. Yes, they might look a bit alien - the women look like creatures from a child's worst nightmare - but one soon grows accustomed to outlandish modes of dress, so appearance is hardly the issue. After all, when one sees people in Kenyan attire one does not feel in any way hostile. This is not so with Muslims, however. Anyone who has even the dimmest notion of what Islam stands for, what it does and what it aims to do feels alarmed and threatened. You can think whatever you wish, but from the infidel point of view you people are storm clouds that herald the coming tempest. We would dearly love to leave you alone to get on with your worship of Mohammed, but we know your long-term aims and the demonic fury with which they are pursued, so every Muslim we see is as alarming as opening the door in the dead of night to answer the knocking of the Gestapo. This is not bigotry. What would I call it? A kind of self-defence or self preservation.

Hate is not excusable Shukri! that's rich ;since your apparent "raison d'etre" here is formulating
EXCUSES (all lame) on behalf of your HATE fueled coreligionists.
Watch the videos of Palestian tots being brainwashed in HATE by their execrable teachers.
HATE is the underpinning philosophy of Islam.
It's all in the Koran.
But you're right that HATE causes the disintegration of society; that's why Islam is
synonymous with failure.
And probably why your parents recognised that fact ,and made the sensible decision to live in a civilised country.
The intriguing question is whether your parents would answer such a question truthfully.

Shukri, with the data you have, wit the research that has been done and with the numbers present you CAN NOT reach to that conclusion. It is called a fallacy.

Secondly, historical data point otherwise, sadly Shukri, the data, facts and history is not on your side... if it were, you could claim what you do, but you can't.

Hate is not excusable, my friend. It has a very real effect on the lives of people, and societies that advocate it disintegrate very quickly.

You repeatedly claim that it is Muslims and Islam that is the threat, yet the facts prove otherwise. The death and financial toll undergone by Iraqi's, as a result of the invasion, far surpasses the cumulative damages that terrorists, Muslim and non-Muslims together, have inflicted on westerners.

The West has this victimized mentality of "damned if we, and damned if we don't", and this is because they are not willing to take responsibility for their actions. It is western taxpayers that pay for the bombs that killed those 90,000 people in Iraq. Westerners have no authority to blame Muslims, while pretending that they are innocent. If anything, they are more guilty, because they can put a stop to it if they truly desire, just like they put a stop to the Vietnam killing adventure.

Again, an uncorroborated report by an unknown agency. Seriously, if this is "infidelsarecool", shouldn't there be higher standards of verification? At least one other source more reliable than a Christian missionary news agency to tell us what actually happened?

Mohammed's words were corroborated?

The "unkown agency" is the Pakistan Christian Post, why didn't you name it? Why is a Christian missionary news agancy, one located where the incident took place, not reliable? Almost all the articles on here are from one source, and therefore technicaly uncorroborated, how do you expect to corroborate the articles then and now?

What "higher standards of verification" would you like to see Shukri? Your approval?

Now, let's watch him dance around these questions.

If the goal of infidelsarecool is to attack Islam without regard to factual information by credible sources, then stories like these are the way to go.

However, I assumed that most atheists are rational people who understand that uncorroborated news stories of partisan origin should not necessarily be relied upon.

Actually, islam isn't really being attacked. The idiots that are trying to press that mess on the rest of the world are being attacked. If islamicists kept that crap to themselves and left other people alone there would be no problem, but muzleeem peckerheads keep pushing it. Unfortunately, civilized countries have rules against wiping out irritating pukes like muzlumbs, so the pukes get away with a lot more than they should.

The US attacked Iraq without any legitimate reason, killing 90,000+ people in the process. It is clear that war-mongering is the norm, and self-defense is only an excuse for a $515b war budget.

http://tinyurl.com/hgc3t

Of course we have a legitimate reason, you and they are muslim.

Who cares? The US felt they had just cause. It doesn't matter if you and all the ragheads in the world feel otherwise. My only disappointment is that we didn't wipe them from the planet. In no way do I feel that the task was addressed with the vigor it should have been. After all, there are still muz scum killing innocents every day. My feeling is, that if you are faced with an enemy like the muz has proven to be to all mankind, they should be purged....like a dose of ex-lax. They are a blot to all life and should be erased.

Tell me oh wise one, what could tell me more? The factual numbers of the 13,114 jihadi attacks on innocents since 9/11 (when we started counting) or the bullshit quotations you keep coming up with? Numbers don't lie, but you do.

The "jihadi attack" figure is mislabeled, and devoid of context.

According to the US NCTC report, "well over 50 percent of the victims were Muslims and most were victims of attacks in Iraq."

http://tinyurl.com/csvt52

Also note from the NCTC report:

"Those interested in the relationship between Islamic
fundamentalism and terror will learn in a matter of moments from these data that of the 14,570 recorded incidents of terror in 2006, only 1,702 (or 12 percent) can be linked to Islamic fundamentalist groups."

Actually 98% were attacks by muslims, 50%+ of which were on other muslims. Muslims are barbarian subhumans that are taught from birth in the madrasa and the mosque to be killers, that killers are good and that the moon god, allah, loves killers, rapists, pedophiles, robbers, slavers, wife beaters and general all around assholes and pig-like critters(that's why they won't eat pork, cause it would be cannibalism). Shooting a muslim, in my opinion, is a waste of a perfectly good bullet, especially when a shovel will do.....same way you'd kill a snake.

Actually, Muslim "killers" are generally found when Muslim nations are invaded and bombed by foreigners. Contrast that with non-Muslim killers who will kill their own family in the most horrendous of ways.

http://tinyurl.com/cho8nn

So, what you're telling me is that it's OK for muz scumbags to use violence to get what they want.....but nobody else is? And if nobody "bothers" muz scumbags they are passive little lambs? And you are stupid enough to think I will believe that? Idiot aren't you?

Pure bull crap Shukri.

Actually, what I said is that terrorists are motivated by invasion and occupation. End occupation and invasions, and you will end terror.

Tonto,
Even though I've never served in the U.S. Military, I am personally at war with Totalitarian Islam; and the way things are going, I'll be at war the rest of my life. If Americans are to retain their sacred God-given rights to life, liberty and creative pursuit of happiness (property); they must have a mind for war against this increasing evil of Totalitarian Sharia Law and mass-murdering Islamic Jihad. My father fought at the Battle of Saipan during World War II. His position was overrun by the enemy, and he had to engage in the most brutal forms of close combat in order to survive. My father hated the evil of Totalitarian Japanese Law and their mass-murdering military forces. Like my courageous father, I hate evil, hate evil, hate evil, hate evil, hate evil ......... forever.

“I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson

Storm_Rider, you can have no idea of the rage I feel when I see those vids. I am a combat vet. When I came home from RVN and went back to work in the factory, some camel jockey showed me a pic of the first air jacking in Lebanon by the palestinians. I slapped the guy right in the face. The fool met me in the parking lot with a knife. I kicked his ass, sliced him several times with his own knife, broke the blade and put it in his pocket. I told him to quit his job because if I saw him again I was going to waste him.....he did quit and I never saw him again. Saves me the trouble of disposing of a body....or explaining to a judge. I've met a lot of arabs and some were decent guys....but the new immigrants set my teeth on edge and I want to waste all of them. These dickweeds we get in here best thank moon-god allah I can't find them cause they'd be interesting artifacts in a pig sty when I got done. And I know I'm not the only one that feels like that. Our troops in Afghan and Iraq have shown remarkable restraint...think of the havoc if they were really turned loose!

Tonto,
It's really something how the Jihadi forces of Totalitarian Islam invaded the United States on September 11, 2001; and when we wage just war in self-defense we are accused by Islamists like Shukri and Osama bin Laden of "Invasion and Occcupation."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5435311...

The same was true during the Christian Crusades when an attempt was made to recover those formerly Christian lands after they were conquered by Islamic Jihad - after those lands were invaded and occupied - and there they remain to this day - invaded and occupied by Totalitarian Islam.

So they accomplished a mission. Does that mean they won't kill Spaniards again? Hell no. And following your logic, why should I not kill any muslim I see at any opportunity until each and every muz in the USA has left for elsewhere? I think that's fair.

Shukri, Can i ask you then to leave the lands of the persians, Hindus, jews, and constatinople, Cyprus and other parts of the world, since that land belonged to the persians, hindus and jews.


See, you have our land too, so, what are we going to do?

So long as Spain doesn't assist in the invasion and occupation of Muslim countries, they will probably never be targeted by Muslim countries.

Terrorism is caused by invasion and occupation. End invasion and occupation, and you will end terror.

Are you referring to all the non-Muslim honour murderers?

How many "honor" killers are there and what is their percentage of the Muslim population?

Again, you are unfortunately letting the crimes of a few blind you to the virtues of many.

and here I thought that "allahu akbar" was actually muslim, that their clothes and the verses they quoted were from the koran... Hum... must be the evil twin of islam... hahaha


Wait... islam doesnt have an evil twin, how can absolute evil be more evil?

Doesn't matter....the programmed animals just want to kill, for reason, no reason or for fun. Muslims are dirt.

So, with the UK leaving Iraq, can we expect a period of calm or more attacks?
Why muslims attack Israel then? That land always belonged to the jews... I dont get it Shukri.

If Muslims kill, even if they are terrorists, they tend to only target those who are occupying and invading their lands.

Consider the prominent lack of anti-Spanish attacks after Spain withdrew their troops from Iraq.

Fascinating, so you are saying that only your sources are reliable?

Humm.... dont get me started with your sources, because, seriously they are a joke. Quoting blogs, islamic websites who are completely biased...

Certain news are, sadly only possible with the local media, but you still refuse to believe it, showing, clearly that you have never lived a long time on an islamic society... or you are trying to fool the inferior infidels... trying to make us bow to your superiorty... right?

I don't believe that I have ever used a partisan, uncorroborated news source for any of my posts. This story of the 14-year old, however, is clearly partisan, uncorroborated and unreliable.

Of course it is, since muslims have NEVER EVER raped and forced young girls to convert to islam.

There is no nation that is free of criminals. As for forcing people to convert, this is nonsense. Who forced 200 million+ Indonesians to convert to Islam?

You always come back to Indonesia. For a change, read the history of the early days of Islam. Convert or die!

Indonesia has the largest population of Muslims in the world, with 200 million Muslims, who voluntarily chose Islam.

There is no such thing as "convert or die" in Islam. Maybe in Christianity, though. See the inquisition, for instance.

Yes, Torquemada and the boys were a nasty gang. I have not heard of any forced conversions to Christianity or Judaism in recent times, though (unless one considers, as I do, brainwashing of children as forced conversion). But it's wonderful to know that Islam does not indulge in this practice. I'm sure you must be right, for you, after all, are Muslim and you have no axe to grind. How wrong of Infidelesto to post this article about the raped 14 year-old girl!

The Germans voluntarily chose Nazism, and that was the end of choice; no more requirement for consent of the governed. Choosing the evil of Totalitarianism, whether secular or religious, is an evil choice. Totalitarian Islam is evil whether it comes by one-time choice, or by the edge of the sword.

YOU ARE uncorroborated Shukri, you won't even answer a simple question like the one I asked you a while ago on this site. Are you a Sunni or a Shiite, or some other Muslim sect? Not a trick question as far as I know. Just like asking a Christian if they're a Catholic or a Protestant, no big deal there, as far as I know being a former Christian. And there's many other times you haven't answered direct questions, mine and others on here. If you can't speak for yourself, citing other sources isn't going to carry much weight, at least for me.

And clearly, just because YOU say "This story of the 14-year old, however, is clearly partisan, uncorroborated and unreliable."doesn't make it true. You still haven't answered this "Why is a Christian missionary news agancy, one located where the incident took place, not reliable?" because you can't.

In my mind, being sunni or shia has no relevance to the issues--that is why I choose not to answer. However, if you so badly want to know then I, like 90% of Muslims, am sunni.

Also, how can a partisan, unknown source be considered reliable? Even if you ignore their lack of credibility, and assume the story to be true, why aren't there other news stories to supplement the reporting? News stories are easily made up in our times, after all.

By answering my simple question, you increased your crediblity with me, just a little. Now, were you born in the US? Were you born a muslim? Just trying to get a better idea where you're coming from.

You still haven't answered WHY you say this source is partisan and unknown. Only you can explain why you think it's partisan, and the only reason I can see, until you do, is that you are implying it is partisan because it is a Christian source. It's clearly not unkown, because it's linked to a site.

I couldn't find any follow up on this story, but it's only 8 days old. I did find 5+ pages of links to similar stories involving girls from 10 up. So many similar stories from many different sources make this one story very credible.

I've searched for this story, and there are many repetitions by blogs; none by reputable news agencies.

I was born Muslim in the US.

"I was born Muslim in the US." Think deeply about these words.

Um, how many deaths have there been in Iraq? How many were the result of mutual Sunni/Shiite hostility?

Again you talk about source reliability, using words such as partisan and credibility. So, some guy comes out of a cave and tells his wife and buddies he was visited by an angel. This happens repeatedly, always when there were no witnesses. Would you believe him? Yes! Would you ask for substantiation? No! In that case, don't dare lecture anyone about gullibility.

In the 80s, the Iraq issues had to do with Saddam and uprisings by Shia against his secular Baathist dictatorship. Only after the occupation did the US mass media start with the "shia vs. sunni" civil war nonsense.

What did Muhammad's wife tell him when he told her that he received revelation from Gabriel? She said:

"God will never disgrace you. You unite relations; you bear the burden of the weak; you help the poor and the needy, you entertain the guests and endure hardships in the path of truthfulness."

Would your wife, or partner, testify the same things about you?

Perhaps she was only afraid he would beat the holyhell out of her and have her stoned if she did not grovel before him. Perhaps it suited her goals of ascension to power. Perhaps she was as uneducated in the skill of critical thought as 99% of the muslim world is today.

Hard to say.

Gullible lass, wasn't she? Just like the rest of you.

Please explain your final question in the light of your penultimate paragraph. As it stands it makes no sense: you misuse the word "testify".

Let me repeat: Mohammed's words were corroborated?

Do you mean if we know that he, pbuh, really said something?

Do you not understand plain English? I mean: were his words corroborated? Was there anyone else present to support what Mohammed (psbuh) claimed to have happened? The answer, of course, is NO. This should make you feel a bit foolish, but it won't. See what brainwashing does to you?

By the way, were there witnesses to Mohammed's amazing flight on the mule or horse with the human face? Was his ascension to heaven witnessed?

Assume that God exists for a moment, and that He is one, and all-powerful. Do you think that it's impossible for God to take someone to heaven? If someone claims to be the messenger of God, and his message has lasted 1,400+ years with billions of followers, don't you think there's a chance that he's telling the truth? Especially, when his own enemies, who tried to assassinate him numerous times, acknowledged him as "Al Ameen", "The Trustworthy".

Funny stuff Beej(Mo the astronaut ).
Another question might be i:What
is the cosmological address of the muslim heaven?.
Hubble hasn't found it.
Silly me ,I should ask an Imam.

My questions were: Were there witnesses to the Amazing Horse Episode and The Space Travel Event?

Assumtions like that are silly Shukri.
Her omnicience is also questionable ;because it begs the question as to why he doesn't rock up from time to time to chastise cheeky infidels like me and other happy blasphemers on this site.
Futhermore how is she unable to infuse the uneducated ,talentless,believers with the necessary knowledge to sort out those who torment them.
The logical conclusion is that she is functionally useless and exists only in your fevered mind.
Wait a second was that a flying donkey with Mo
on its back sailing past my window?
No it was just a piece of litter.
And as useless as your imaginary man in the sky.
Stop boring us with all this Allah tosh ;let's have some competition from Odin or Zeus or Baal.
Maybe Dagon might step up to the Theistic plate.
And who would be crazy enough to trust a murdering illiterate desert bandit?

So, islamic websites who are biased is a reliable source then?
What about the koran, is corroborated by what? What evidence do you have that even the koranic science is right? Not only that, what evidence and sources does the koran have that makes it righT?

Believe me, your sources are full of bias, and uncorroborated sources.

Please give me an example of any one of my sources that is unreliable and biased.

Today and since the seventh century, the Koran has been an enemy of the individual's (particularly the non-Muslim individual's) right to life, liberty and creative pursuit of happiness (property). Since those human rights are sacred, i.e.: from God; it follows that the Koran, rather than an expression of a god, is the enemy of God.

All that is in the Koran is the ultimate benefit of mankind. In the Koran, God tells us do that which is good, refrain from evil, and gives us many parables to exemplify this.

You won't see the truth if you rely on websites who cut-and-paste verses to support their agenda.

"In the Koran, God tells us do that which is good, refrain from evil, and gives us many parables to exemplify this."

Here's a good one from your god. Roasting non-Muslims is not evil - that would be, by the book, refraining from evil:

Quran, Surah 004.056

YUSUFALI: Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

PICKTHAL: Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.

SHAKIR: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagem...

Koran for starters
This one: http://www.newislamicdirections.com/nid/notes/j...

another one: http://www.lancs.ac.uk/socs/islamic/documents/h...

do you want me to continue?

Err, what exactly is wrong with those source? One is written by a well-known Islamic scholar, and the other is written by Malcolm X.

???

Islamic sensationalist, and another one with a crazy guy wanting attention.

Try harder.


Give references with historical, scientifical background, give news with reputable sources, do not quote scholars, give blog addresses, or stupidities like the ones you did.

You can challenge the source of this news, but it wont change the fact that this occurs everywhere that there are muslims involved.

So Shukri, is islam so good that is causing this?

Minister: Muslim 'inbreeding' in Britain is causing massive surge in birth defects

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513388/...

more details here http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/200...

More girls raped because of islam
http://www.persecution.org/suffering/newssummpo...


Even muslims hate us white people
Labour Party embroiled in race row after candidate told she was 'too white and Jewish' to be selected
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1174046...

Obviously, gays have no rights in islam

Amnesty urges Senegal to protect freed gays
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090427/wl_africa_...

So, shukri, after all this, could you please care to tell me WHY islam is so good? If it condones everything that I've posted here, then why is it any good... please I want to know!!

The Koran.

The holy book of 1.5 billion people is neither unreliable nor biased, my friend.

"The clerics see to that by forbidding the teaching of anything other than the idea that the koran and islam is wonderful compared to the rest of the world."

Sorry, but that's a misnomer. Did you know that "Madrassas account for less than 1 percent of all enrollment in [Pakistan]"? - Harvard/ World Bank study - http://tinyurl.com/cnkfct

It's neither "holy" or unbiased. It's a battle plan with lots of BS window dressing to make it seem mystical to ignorant people. The muz of the world are the most backward and ignorant in the world. The clerics see to that by forbidding the teaching of anything other than the idea that the koran and islam is wonderful compared to the rest of the world. Keep 'em barefoot and pregnant... the rest of the world pities muz, really.

A guy who suffers from epilepsy, has heat strokes and it is illiterate, has homosexual tendencies and it is a thief, has no clue of anything related to science and asked someone to write a book, and it is claiming it is divine, a lot of people follows it, so, that makes this book reliable and unbiased. What differences there are between the book I quoted and the one you quoted, the koran?


It is like saying 1 billion flies eat shit, so they cant be wrong...lets eat shit!

That is your opinion (based upon childhood brainwashing) and you are entitled to it, but it does not answer my question: were there witnesses to Mohammed's times spent in heavenly company? Of course there were not, so say it instead of trying to skirt the issue.

As expected, no direct answers to my questions. There's no reason to expect your sources to be any more credible than anyone else's that posts here. It's up to each reader to decide for themselves who is more credible. In this case, you questioned the credibility of the source, but haven't explained why, other than imply that there's something wrong with a Christian news agency. You've quoted Muslim sources, aren't they partisan? And it should be obvious that with a title like "Infidels Are Cool", it IS a partisan site. I'd say if you don't like it, stay away, but you do stimulate responses on here.

And not everyone that reads or posts here is an atheist. I've mentioned in other posts here that I consider myself a Dieist. What anyone else believes is their decision. For me, the exception is Islam.

I've come to believe that Islam is a terrorist organization, and anyone that belongs to it is a terrorist.

Do you really believe that 1.5 billion people on the face of the planet are terrorists? Sorry, but that is far from reality.

What is within reality is that terrorism stems from certain countries invasions, occupations and warmongering. Where do terrorist attacks take place? Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel...all of them associated with occupations.

Btw, I use Islamic sources to prove points about Islam. Virtually all of my news sources are mainstream news organizations.

I also assume that "infidels are cools" refers to atheists. The predominant theory about atheists is that they are rational people. How is it rational to use uncorroborated news stories to score points? It's a weird, irrational thing to do.

Your question is laughable.
Not all Muslims are terrorists, like not all Germans were Jew Killers, however, ALL Muslims, MUST investigate their faith to see the facts for themselves. They may not be Suicide Bombers, however, they support a faith, which not only condones, but expects any action, up to and including murdering innocent people to propagate their faith. By acceptance of this, they are as culpable of these acts of terror as if they had strapped the shrapnel laden vests onto their own chests. Islam is a faith of propagation through intimidation, coercion and murder. If you follow this faith, you are a coercive murderer.As this faith attempts to grow, and infiltrate new areas, terror attacks grow as well.
Bali, India, Spain, England, France, New York City, Russia..My GOD, to even make the statement you made, you are either an IDIOT, or a Psychopath.
Research your faith.
People have shed blood in the name of Christ, but nowhere, NOWHERE, did Christ ask anyone to do so. Islam CANNOT make the same Claim: here are a few tidbits
1. On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. (The Cow: 161 )

2. Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. ( The Cow: 15 )

3. The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful, who will not believe. (Spoils of War: 55)

4. Oh ye who believe! the non-Muslims are unclean. (Repentance:17)

5. Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you. (Repentance: 123)

It is written, and published, IN YOUR OWN BOOK!

Sir, you have clearly never read the Koran in any serious capacity. The Koran instructs Muslims to defend themselves when attacked.

“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. 2:190

As for the terrorists, it is well documented that their motivation is revenge for the Western invasions and occupations of Muslim countries.

"Before our invasion, Iraq never had a suicide-terrorist attack in its history. Never. Since our invasion, suicide terrorism has been escalating rapidly with 20 attacks in 2003, 48 in 2004, and over 50 in just the first five months of 2005. Every year that the United States has stationed 150,000 combat troops in Iraq, suicide terrorism has doubled." - http://bit.ly/20uk0Y

Anyone that belongs to a terrorist organization is a terrorist in the same way that everyone that was a Nazi in WWII was considered, and held, responsible for the crimes committed in the Nazi name by the German people. The Nazi Party was a political party that took on the trappings of a religion. Islam uses religion to achieve political goals. For instance, what did the invasions of certain coutries, occupations, and warmongering have to do with religion? What did the attack on the civilian building, the WTC with it's civilian workers, have to do with religion? Only in your mind, and the muslim mind, are political things like invasion, occupation and warmongering related to religion, even when they are in response to terrorist acts. To non-muslims they are politcal events. And your defense of terrorism by saying terrorism stems from these things makes me suspect YOU are a terroist.

Are you, as a muslim, unaware of the basic muslim philosophy than anyone that is non-muslim is an infidel? Because Infidels Are Cool does not refer to atheists, but to that philosophy and that infidels take pride in being Infidels, whatever their belief on religion. Whether or not atheists are rational is a different question (he he) :)

It's up to the individual to coroborate the news stories on here, if they have reason to question them. I do so occaisionally, but most are obviously reliable at a glance. Your problem with reliablity and corroboration of news sources started with this one which is Christian. I have to assume that's why you question it. And yet you expect us to accept your muslim links and quotes, as reliable and corroborated. Sounds weird, irrational, and UNFAIR, to me.

Shukri are you just squirming at the demonstrable nonsense that MEMRI exposes or are you just plain daft yourself?
Try honesty for a change!various Islamic clods make daily twats of themselves via the broadcasting media and all you can say is that MEMRI is selective.
Well of course they are selective (what do you expect ?).
Although it might be even funnier if their rebroadcasts were
preceded by all the Islamic greeting bollocks to announce the program.
The whole point is derision of Islam since its protagonists can be seen through their own prognostications as demonstrably stupid.
I've tried to imagine myself as a muslim watching these "learned scholars" ;but collapse laughing at their inane utterances.
And you as a m uslim should ,according to the application of reasoned common sense feel vicariously embarassed at their
clown like clumsiness and ridiculous monologues.
Some of the stuff onMEMRI makes Monty Python seem plausible.
Come on Shukri all this dogma delving is so puerile and boring .
Let's go to the stoning!

I questioning this source not merely because it is Christian, but rather because it is sensationalist, tabloid journalism that has no corroboration from any recognized, mainstream news source.

Religion has little to do with the US, and Israeli occupations. The nations that they invaded, at the time, were very secular. For example, Saddam's Iraq were Baathist socialists. Similarly. the PLO is a completely secular organization.

When people become religious, though, they turn to scripture for guidance:

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. " - (Quran 2:190)

Shukri your sources are baised, sensationalist, and tabloid journalism.

So, if they were secular, then they wouldnt have any problems with gays, would they?

It doesn't take a secular person to recognize that homosexuality is not a normal development. Note, for example, the astronomical rates of std's amongst gays.

Shukri

"their populations will be extinct in a hundred and fifty years or so."

You obviously never studied any science courses, not even in the school.
Pleasure is what dictates the animal behaviour in this case. For the biological point of view, the system doesnt know if it was sex with the sakme sex or the opposite sex.

The problem you are mentioning is because the population of those countries are more intellectually evolved, they are more worried about advancement in work or science than in reproduction. Which is a striking difference in the islamic countries were it is believe that more is merrier, for islamic advancement in numbers.

Also, the Std's you quote are only avaiable(the stats) on western countries, in islamic countries they are not available at all or quite incomplete or highly modified. So you can not claim what you just said.

Shukri, please go study evolution, then post here ok?

"If someone is in a minority of any kind he can be classed as abnormal?"

Beejj, no, because all human beings reproduce the same way, whether they are a minority or not. Homosexuals are in a different category because we are talking about a sex act, and not ethnic differences.

"a person's sexuality comes down to delicate chemical balances, dependent upon his/her DNA"

This maybe the biological manifestation, however, a person is not born with this condition. Rather, it is developed over time. Btw, there are such things as chemical imbalances, and genetic diseases. The mere fact that a person has a condition does not mean that the condition is normal.

"What they do in their privacy is their business"

Precisely, my opinion as well. Unfortunately, they are publicly trying to shove their sex act down our throats.

http://tinyurl.com/d8ygwh

"Homosexuality is quite common on the natural world"

Necrowulf, actually it is not. Reproduction, and the perpetuity of species, does not occur with homosexuality. We know, just from human populations alone, that nations with legalized homosexuality generally have low birth rates, and high rates of stds. If they don't change that trend, their populations will be extinct in a hundred and fifty years or so.

What are stds with an apostrophy Shukri?
I like Beej have known many homosexuals in my time and their sexual preference apart they are
as welcome in my house as anyone.
BTW Beej Alan Turing is one of my heros.
The epithet genius is today much misused but in Turing's case it is apposite.
A senior scientist at Bletchley Park is on record
as saying that he listened to many theoretical proposals from gifted individuals and often thought that's good I could have thought of that myself.
But listening to Turing's proposals had him gasping as he realised that he never would have thought of that.
Turing, he said,had a mind that operated on a
different level that was beyond the reach of ordinary mortals.
His post war treatment was shameful to the point
that causes me to weep in anger.
Another hero at Bletchley Park was the diffident Tommy Flowers(post office engineer)who built Collossus(using his own savings).
Jeremy Clarkson made a fascinationg documentary on the whole thing.

There's that troublesome word "normal" again. Desist from using it, if you are wise, when describing human beings. You see, you cannot define it. Einstein, Dirac, Beethoven, Mozart, Shakespeare, Leonardo, Caesar, Rommel, Patton, Bill Gates, Jefferson, OJ Simpson, Charles Manson, Hitler, Gandhi, you, me ...... we are none of us "normal". List us on the "abnormal" side of the ledger? Nope! Why? Because we can't define "abnormal", either.

According to you, a homosexual is not normal, but according to the homosexual, you are not normal, if he is as idiotic as you. Ah, but there many more heterosexuals than homosexuals, might be your riposte, so that proves your point. Does it reduce to a simple numbers game? If someone is in a minority of any kind he can be classed as abnormal? Tonto, our Apache friend is abnormal? Members of almost extinct Amazonian tribes are abnormal? The Welsh, Scots and Irish are abnormal?

No, you say, it comes down to behaviour. Are you prepared to describe NORMAL behaviour? If someone's behaviour differs from yours, does that make him abnormal? Yes? So normality must be judged by YOUR standards? That's a novel way of looking at the world, Shukri, my friend. Dangerous, too - quite a bit of that sort of thing went on in Germany in the 1930s and 40s.

I am not homosexual (and I've got the runs on the board to prove it), but does this cause me to view homosexuals with a jaundiced eye? No! Why should it? They are, in this single respect, different from me. Many of them are taller and shorter and fatter and thinner and richer and poorer and more intelligent and dimmer, too, but who cares? Do you dare to deny happiness for a homosexual? People of your ilk caused the death of Alan Turing (the man who single-handedly did more to bring about Hitler's downfall than anyone) and the murder of Tchaikovsky.

Ultimately, a person's sexuality comes down to delicate chemical balances, dependent upon his/her DNA which also controls every other aspect of our beings. To believe that a homosexual should feel shame is as monstrous as saying people below 5' 5" should feel shame.

On a purely personal note, I have known quite a few homosexual guys in my life and I am proud to call them my friends. Interestingly, they are all sensitive, deeply caring, soft-hearted and worthy people who have brought joy to my world. What they do in their privacy is their business, and I wish them unending happiness.

Shukri, GROW UP!

Shukri, asfter this one, you lost all my respect. Clearly you know nothing of science, biology, psychology or anything like that. Homosexuality is quite common on the natural world, deers, cats, dogs, bulls, any animal will do it. Even insects, in fact, the banana fly will mate with males if there are not enough females, if a male is dying they will mate with him...

Clearly, Shukri, you are completely brainwashed, I just hope that some day you grow up and learn some of this stuff.

Shukri.

1.5 Billion people are actually condoning or supporting terrorism in some way or the other, you for example is trying to change the image of islam, sugar coating it, trying to hide its sharp edges so we won't know when it hits us.

If islam doesnt produce terrorists, then could please tell me why islam invaded europe, destroyed Judea(PAlestine for you) from the jews, destroyed lives and keeps on doing it? Could please tell me why, after all the support the islamic countries still are a bad place to live? COuld you please tel me why there was no scientific advancment in the arabic world after islam crept in?

Obviously you wont ansewr any of those questions, will try to avoid it, escape or try to question my integrity just to avoid answering it... or just simply say something else quite literally unrelated.

Infidels means anyone who doesnt belong to islam.

If someone commits an atrocity in the name of self-defense, it is a crime that should be punished. However, people are free to defend themselves when their nations are being invaded and occupied. If you look at terrorist atrocities, they are condemned by the vast majority of Muslims.

When did "Islam" invade Europe? It was Europe that colonized the Middle East, and then shipped millions of guest workers to supplement their lack of labor. Immigration is mostly caused by socioeconomic factors, not religion.

Islam wasn't even known when the Christians accused Jews of being "Christ-killers" and banned them from the Holy Land. It was the Caliph Umar's conquest of Jerusalem in the 7th century that allowed Jews back in once again.

There were tons of scientific achievements under Islam as you can easily see here: http://tinyurl.com/ftzd5

Are you sure that Europe colonized the middle east? It wasn't the hell bent need of the muslims to invade europe, like Andalucia, Kosovo, Belgium? Or the need to destroy the christians and jews from Jerusalem? Remember that? ARe you aware that the jews and christians used to live in relative peace in jerusalem? NO, of course not...


Are you aware of the Gates of Vienna, were the last battle between islam and europe took place with the intent of conquering europe?

Of course not...you are a muslim, it is expected of you not to know these things.

About the islamic acheivements, have you read this islamic intellectual? http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD23...

" Saudi Intellectual: Western Civilization Has Liberated Mankind "

Read on... you also will notice that those inventors and scientific achievements by the arabs were produced when islam wasn't strong enough. After that...you went to the dark ages, like now.

Stop blaming us, accept that your religion is guilty, it is the first steps to reach where we are now.

Who is perpetrating the bombings and occupations of Muslim lands, and killed tens of thousands in the process? Please stop pretending that the west is innocent. No party is 100% guilty, but no party is 100% innocent either.

Btw, MEMRI is run by former Israeli military intelligence people. I would take their video pitches with a grain of salt. http://tinyurl.com/5pnyhp

Shukri, then prove your affirmation, I want concrete proof of your allegations.


MEMRI only translates what shows in the islamic TV, if you are unhappy with the shit that shows in there, then go and complain with them.

Dont shoot the messenger. I think you are ashamed by the stupidity they show on the TV of your world.

Imagine that, flat earth, MEcca central time, Allahs messages in clouds, fly wings hahaha

It is like watching stand up comedy!

"Ok... so how can [MEMRI] do that with just translations?"

They selectively translate stories that portray "the enemy" in a negative light.

"If you believe that none of the things MEMRI translate happens, then learn arabic and go there, see if its like that."

I'm questioning the selective nature of MEMRI's stories. From thousands of hours of footage, MEMRI only selects sound bites that fit an anti-Arab agenda. Given MEMRI's acknowledged association with Israeli intelligence, it would be questionable to rely on them solely for "Arab news"

hellosnackbar;

haha, you said what I've tried to say in my message, thank you hellosnackbar!!

How unfair of MEMRI to show the world what goes on in theME.
Memri didn't invent these broadcasts they simply record them and rebroadcast them so that civilised westerners are aware of the cretins who are taken seriously in the wacky world of Islam ;where mind poisoned bigots write their own comical scripts.
One thing I can say is :Watch Wafa Sultan she's
a sure cure for your mental illness.
MEMRI don't have to edit or contextually alter anything it's all done for them.
Every day their hate fueled drivel is intercepted by MEMRI to be laughed at and shown as the
meanderings of the mentally ill.
You should watch them Shukri and ask yourself
the question :if ther's something wrong with the "stars" of Arab telly broadcasting such obvious bilge.
Then what
's the matter with me for supporting them?

Shukri, they publish exactly what it shows. If you believe that none of the things MEMRI translate happens, then learn arabic and go there, see if its like that.

Why would MEMRI publish stories that already show up on the western world? Who would translate the idiotic comments and stupidities of islam? I bet you wouldn't

"How can it be anti-arab and anti-muslim if they publish exactly what shows in arabic and muslim countries?"

The problem is that they aren't publishing exactly what shows. Rather, "the stories selected by Memri ... either they reflect badly on the character of Arabs or they in some way further the political agenda of Israel." - http://tinyurl.com/5pnyhp

Ok... so how can they do that with just translations?

How can it be anti-arab and anti-muslim if they publish exactly what shows in arabic and muslim countries?

"We have ... friends who vouch for their authenticity"

Necrowulf, I'm not questioning the accuracy of their translations. Rather, I'm questioning the intent of a secretive organization, connected to Israel's military intelligence, that only publishes anti-Arab, anti-Muslim content.

http://tinyurl.com/5pnyhp

Shukri, I dont think that you reply is working for your side of the discussion. We have ex-muslim friends who vouch for their authenticity , who are we going to believe in? You or them? Well... what a stupid question, of course it is them.

"MEMRI is but an Israeli plot?"

I think that is a safe assumption, given that they are run by former Israeli military intelligence.

"Evidence from Memri's website also casts doubt on its non-partisan status. Besides supporting liberal democracy, civil society, and the free market, the institute also emphasises "the continuing relevance of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel".

That is what its website used to say, but the words about Zionism have now been deleted. The original page, however, can still be found in internet archives."

http://tinyurl.com/5pnyhp

MEMRI is but an Israeli plot? You know, Shukri, what I love about you most is not your refusal to provide honest answers to questions, not your denial of the accuracy of translations of the Koran, not your lies, not your blind faith in your poxed cult, but your INVENTION. If Islamic agencies are following our conversations they will have you earmarked for the post of Minister of Propaganda, because you could have given Goebbels a few lessons.

I've been watching MEMRI for some time in the company of an Iraqi who assures me that the subtitles are exactly what is said .
Futhermore MEMRI has its own reputation to protect.(any misrepresentation would swiftly be jumped on by arabic speakers).
He remarked to me that the Arab world is perfused with morons(a lost generation)who are a source of embarassment to him.
He also told me that if he were ever in a position of power he would have them all shot as traitors to Arab advancement.
Watch MEMRI Shukri and cringe at the halfwits
who represent your cause.
The vid I particularly like is a "debate" involving
Wafa Sultan and some demented Mufti.
He gets so angry that his body language suggests that he wants to drag her from the screen and strangle her.(his anger is palpable and requires no translation).
The only thing that annoys me is that the MSN
does not screen this stuff to let all people know
what jackasses some of these characters are.
The most chilling vids are those that show children being tutored in HATE.

It is quite interesting that you discredit MEMRI, but sadly for you it is a reputable source for news. Their translation is correct, I know an apostate(I'm not going to tell who he is because he might be killed by you muslims) and he told me that the translations are accurate.


Shukri, when are you going to admit you are occupying Israel, cyprus, Constantinople, Turkey, Kashmir...

SHUKRY:
"Do you really believe that 1.5 billion people on the face of the planet are terrorists? "

YES.

Those muslims who aren't active in the bomb-making SUPPORT those
who are,by sending them MONEY,giving them POLITICAL SUPPORT,RELIGIOUS SUPPORT,and writing things on western blogs
with the intent to misinform its readers into believing that Islam is a noble cause,that's been victimized,when the reality is the very opposite.

Yes Sir W you should make tinyurl your sole source of information but only after you have cleared the same with Shukri first.
Don't use your own common sense trust the omniscience of tinyurl
I suspect it's Shukri's site,

Snack, to correct you before Shukri can get to you, Tinyurl is simply a web service that shortens url's so you don't have to paste long url's. It's meant to be used when you can't paste in long URL's. just thought I'd let you know.

Thanks for the info John;now I'm in the know.

And knowing is half the battle :P

...and wiki is a better source because...?

To be honest I don't think that this is indicative of an ENTIRE religion. This is something that demonstrates how easy it is to brainwash uneducated and impoverished induviduals in a third world country. Of course they would use Islam to justify their violent actions, that's not unlike Jews who commit violence against palestinians based on relgious beliefs. No where in the Qu'ran does it mention "you must rape everyone and convert them to Islam".

There are plenty of examples of Christians doing similar things to the Native Americans when they came to the US and even to Muslims during the crusades. Using an example of impoverished radical militants who minconstrue the entire religion is hardly representative of Islam, and any religion for that matter.

Sara, are you actually saying that Jews commit violence against those in Gaza because of religious beliefs! I thought it was because those animals were firing rockets into Israel to kill innocent women and children. If you pick a fight with someone who is more powerful than you, you are going to get hurt. maybe hammas should learn this life skill.

crusades started two centuries AFTER mo ham head brought jihad against fellow arabs wiping out those believed in christianity and judaism , then expanded jihad to all north africa , central asia and eastern europe.>forcing europe to DEFEND itself .and a damned good thing for liberal bleeding heart appeasers like you that primitive early europe finally stopped the hordes so that you could reap the huge later benefit of the reformation(something that islam has not done ,in spite of a technological head start they gained by overunning the persian and turkish empires). NEWSflash;Christ and his apostles never raped nor took slaves nor warbooty- he never told christians to commit those crimes either -but mohammad six centuries later sure did, even authorizing assassinations against elderly and slave girls who criticized him.

Sarah, it looks from your profile that you are new to this site. I recommend you take the time to look through the site archives at all the articles concerning the acts of followers of this "religion", which I pointed out recently fits the definition of a terrorist orginization.

I would love to see you find one example of Jews commiting violence against Palestinians based on religious beliefs, although nothing is impossible. While, again, if you research, you will find too many examples of Muslims doing just that to Jews and Christians. You will find that anyone that is not a Muslim is an infidel, and all infidels can be lied to, decieved and murdered and the Muslim will be rewarded by Allah for it.

Sarah: "No where in the Qu'ran does it mention "you must rape everyone and convert them to Islam"

Quran, Surah 8, Verse 60: "Prepare for them whatever force and cavalry ye are able of gathering to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah"

Quran, Surah 4, Verse 56: "Those who have disbelieved our signs, we shall roast them in fire"

Quran, Surah 47, Verse 4: "Therefore when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks and when ye have caused a bloodbath among them bind a bond firmly on them"

Quran, Surah 4, Verse 89: "They but wish that ye should reject faith...so take not friends from their ranks untill they flee in the way of Allah, but if they turn renegades, seize them and kill them wherever ye find them"

Quran, Surah 8, Verse 39: "Fight them until there is no dissension and the religion is entirely Allah's

You silly boy, Storm Rider! Don't you know these are all mistranslations?

Mistranslations of Arabic is almost impossible.
Arabic, is a fairly new language, and the Qur'an is a relatively recent writing, when you compare that to other books.
Because of the relative youth of this language, it has not gone through as many variations.
It was not spread widely, until Islam began to spread it by force.
This of course, assisted in keeping it fairly intact as a tongue.
The above translations are correct, your language fairly simplistic, and easy to discern.
If you are going to attempt to discredit someone, use a better argument.

What the hell are you talking about? It is not I who says the Koran is untranslatable, but Muslims who claim such translations are wrong. Check this site for numerous such claims by these people. MY language is fairly simplistic and easy to discern?? What are you trying to say? Your final sentence, far from being incisive, is quite pitiful. Understand this, you strange person: I nor any other infidel do not have to discredit Islam. Its adherents do a fine job of it without our help.

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Dear oh dear oh dear. There's a word in the English language: IRONY. Look it up in a dictionary, James.

These quotes aren't mistranslations as much as they are dishonest quotations.

http://tinyurl.com/cjqgaw

Here's the short answer Shukri....Bullshit! The words don't match the deeds, and the deeds are constant and continuous.....so shut up with the crap. Run that game on ignorant people. It ain't working for you here.

Shukri: "These quotes aren't mistranslations as much as they are dishonest quotations."

No, Shukri, these are honest quotations; and anyone here can look them up for themselves. There are only minor differences in these quotes and the online translations here provided.

Quran, Surah 8, Verse 60: "Prepare for them whatever force and cavalry ye are able of gathering to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah"

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagem...

Quran, Surah 4, Verse 56: "Those who have disbelieved our signs, we shall roast them in fire"

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagem...

Quran, Surah 47, Verse 4: "Therefore when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks and when ye have caused a bloodbath among them bind a bond firmly on them"

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagem...

Quran, Surah 4, Verse 89: "They but wish that ye should reject faith...so take not friends from their ranks untill they flee in the way of Allah, but if they turn renegades, seize them and kill them wherever ye find them"

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagem...

Quran, Surah 8, Verse 39: "Fight them until there is no dissension and the religion is entirely Allah's"

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagem...

Your quotes are dishonest because they are cut-and-paste to reflect your own views of Islam, which are the views of terrorists, and not the views of legitimate Muslim scholars.

http://tinyurl.com/cboar5

Shukri, the best thing to do with the Koran is cut and WIPE, not cut and paste.

So Fukri Islamic culture can deliver this utopian society of which you speak!
How odd that I can't think of any examples!
All I see are third world simpletons(mostly illiterate)stomping around on a piece of ground in some dusty hell hole.
The only reason for their existence is that they believe that when their insignificant lives are at an end there'll be paradise awaiting with lots of tasty women and
rivers of booze.
Some of the stupid ones think that by murdering infidels
by blowing themselves up they can get there faster.
So stick your arse in the air bang your head upon the floor,
and mentally masturbate on paradise to come.
How can anyone of even rudimentary intelligence accept that baloney?

These quotes are nothing other than quotes; they are true quotes, and I've linked you to the Quranic source for each quote. Only a fool or an enemy would argue against the truth as you do. I believe you are more of an enemy than fool - maybe both. Denial of self-evident truth not only removes your credibility, it is a tool of evil men and totalitarian government; and on that basis I hope your future comments will be blocked.

You cannot post verses of war and imply that they are meant during peace as well--well, you can, of course, but that would be dishonest. This is why your quotes are misleading.

Islam only permits just war. From Quran 60:8

"God does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely God loves the doers of justice."

Ah Allah the compassionate.
Tell us Shukri! I believe that what you want is a caliphate ;with we infidels recognising the sovreignity
of a theocratic muslim state and paying jizyah to our muslim masters out of gratitude ,for our continued existence.
I might be wrong(but I don't think so)but lads like Tonto would not be too happy with that state of affairs.
And as for wearing your mini "tea cozy"I suspect that you don't, because infidels laugh at you.
It is a cruel world for the Islamically retarded.

Your humor would actually be funny, if I didn't know it to have a false premise.

Btw, here's some contextual prophetic narrations about the Caliphate: http://tinyurl.com/c3jkj6

Koranic justice?

oh...ok, so we wont have a problem if we display crosses publicly in islamic countries, that women dress in tiny clothes and us men, wear shorts or even banana hammocks... or someone be gay and crossdress... right?

So you wont mind us drinking alcohol without it being searched and banned, or eating pork in ramadan or in the middle of your prayers right? Or even going to Mecca and MEdina!?

Shukri, the Koran doesnt not always means what it says in peace, in fact 90% of the muslims follow what it is written in it in "peace" and besides...

there are tons of other verses who says to kill the infidel after the 60:8 ... do you remember that little thing were the newer verses cancel the old ones? Nice little idea to escape the obvious contradiction, rigght?

Shukri, please tell me which one of those I can not do in shariah

- Cross Dress
- Banana hammocks
- Blasphemy
- Criticise islam
- Wlak on the street with symbols that oppose general religion
- Evolution
- Have more churches than mosques
- Have churches taller than mosques
- Have homosexual love, especially lesbian love(hummm... concentrate...concentrate, no perky nipples touching another one are allowed in your brain now...concentrate NW)
- Eat in ramadan
- Have shops open in ramadan
- Have bbq with pork and lots of alcohol
- Not have to worry about muttawas confiscating my alcohol and pork
- Women walk without male escort
- Women use skimpy dresses
- Go topless
- Transvestites on the streets
- Buy uncensored stuff
- Buy porn in a kiosk


Please tell me which one of those I am or someone else is not allowed to do. If more than one is forbidden then the law does apply to non-muslims, and it is barbaric, dictatorial and primitive.

"I already proved to you that it doesn't and it applied more to non-muslims than muslims?"

Necrowulf, unfortunately nothing of the sort happened, because Islamic law applies mostly to Muslims, and not to non-Muslims.

http://tinyurl.com/e5zpz

Shukri, are you forgeting that we have already discussed this and I already proved to you that it doesn't and it applied more to non-muslims than muslims?

"Now shukri, so yo9u are saying that islamic law was fair and just, later on you said it doesnt apply to non-muslims...no you are saying that it will apply to us?"

In Islamic societies, non-Muslims have their own autonomy, and shari'ah laws do not generally apply to them. For example, they are free to consume alcohol, and pork if they so desire.

see: http://tinyurl.com/yd8c3b

The prohibition was the need of the people high up to control the population. The same thing with drugs.

Now shukri, so yo9u are saying that islamic law was fair and just, later on you said it doesnt apply to non-muslims...no you are saying that it will apply to us?

Could you please decide what you want?
Are we allowed to do what I said under islamic law or not?
Geez, is like talking to a wall.
Islamic finance is pretty much the same thing was we have today, the only difference is that the name changes, it charges you a little bit more here and there, and it doesnt allow the invesment on porn, alcohol and the sorts.

Now, could you please check a few posts back about what ~I said about alcohol?

Hey, nations are free to impose their own laws. Even in the US, the evils of alcohol were obvious, which is why there was prohibition without any Muslim input.

The rules of Islam are to protect people, to protect families, wealth, and honor. If there was Islamic finance, there would be no financial crisis because the rules of Islam ban derivatives and unfair trade.

http://tinyurl.com/22yzks

what? What excuse is that? Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we've got a new excuse! the "you can't copy and paste" excuse!

Those quotes do not refelect our view it just simply reflects the islamic view.

or are you brain washed that when your faith is questioned you decide to create an excuse...oh wait... I just answered myself

Of course, you can copy and paste. Just please don't do it so that the original meaning has been modified to suit a personal agenda.

For example, I could quote you as having said that, "you can't copy and paste", which would be true. However, that is not an accurate rendering of your position, and it is therefore a dishonest quotation.

Shukri, one is copy and paste the entire sentence the other one is copy and paste part of a sentence.

We quoted the exact words of the koran, and they are in fact correct. If you look at another previous verse or the following one you will see that they are not dishonest quotes.

If you care so much about the koran, then quote the previous verses and try to create a good excuse.

Necrowulf, our mutual friend is ignoring Muslim scholars, and putting forward the views of terrorists. That is just unacceptable.

RIGHT ON, Shukri! Dishonest quotations. Given that they come from the Koran, what else could they possibly be?

They are cut-and-paste misrepresentations of Quranic verses.

http://tinyurl.com/cc9md7

I suspect that you're squirming here Fukri are you confirming what we all
believe that the unholy comic(aka the Koran) is dishonest?

ohh the old excuse of translation...

Yea, you're probably right; and we mistranslated Nazi Laws from the German language in the exact same way during World War II.

Yes, in former times, those belonging to the Christian faith did some dreadful things, often in the name of their religion. Nobody denies this. They ceased such practices a long time ago, though, while Muslims continue TO DO SIMILAR THINGS (your words). Give me examples of Jews committing violence against Palestinians based on religious beliefs.

I'm sure you could find many instances of palestinians committing more atrocities against other palestinians then the Jews ever thought about.

Ah yes...the religion of peace in action.

To Jewhawk,

What about men? No offense to men but do you hear about men abused, raped, no not really. Why?

Do not know why except that abusing men may mean a homosexual act and that is something they glue anuses shut for. but then again they will find some sort of justification for doing so somewhere in the Qur'an.

MARJ, it happens all the time but is seldom reported because it is so shameful to the victum. I'd really like to see some stats on how many commit murder or suicide as a result of being raped. Happens in prisons all the time.

If rape is something devastating to a woman,you can't compare with
a male rape.For many,to be killed would be preferable.The degree of
sheer humiliation is,I guess,higher than a woman's,not diminishing
what a woman could feel.

Muslims rape tradition is ancient and seems to be very effective.

QURAN:

The Quran justify ANYTHING against us,infidels.No pity.No remorse.

Sorry, Jewhawk, but you are WRONG. The psychological damage done to a woman is something few men can begin to appreciate.

Rape is so psychologically damaging it is carried around for life by the victims. A nurse I know who has experience in these matters said although both sexes are equally traumatised, She thinks men cope worse. Simply because men are not conditioned for penetrative sex. Rape should carry a mandatory life sentence. It is on a par with murder in its seriousness. Unless of course you are a muslim.--- No Beejj, I know you are not, the Welsh dragon was a clue to me of you being of Cumry origin. I worked in Maindee in South Wales, that struck a resemblance to Islamabad.

The so-called "prophet" (also a known MURDERER,RAPIST and PEDOPHILE) Mohammad is being made as an example to all muslim males.To rape,sodomize and abuse MINORS are their TRADEMARK.

It's what will happen to ALL infidel girls and boys when the muslims achieve a status of
majority among us.We'll see 10 year-olds PREGNANT girls walking in the streets of Chicago and Southampton holding the hand of their 50 year-old HUSBANDS...
Just like the poor Hadidja,then NINE years old when she was SODOMIZED and RAPED by an old geezer called Muhammad.What a GROTESQUE picture,don't you all think?
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"Another innocent child destroyed by so called peaceful Islam. But what of the men? My bet is they will not be found guilty if they are even captured at all." (MARJORIE)
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Dear Marjorie,the sad and LEWD story of this poor girl depicts what Islam is in a nutshell...doing this sort of ATROCITY during the last 1,400 years of their bloody history,
muslims expect to ISLAMIZE the rest of the world by ETHNIC CLEANSING.
They did that to the girls and with BOYS,too!! Christian boys were crowding the Otoman harems!!!
GREEKS and ARMENIANS;
Both Christian folks suffered this HUMILLIATION when their lives were suddenly
spoiled by the Turkish LUST FOR SEX at any price.Things that simply CAN'T be
depicted in here happened ...before the MASSACRES.

OI!! jEWHAWK.. Yew Dnt No Nutin Bout Islam Or Bout Muslims So I Suggest You Lock Off This Page N Keep You Full Ov Shyt Suggestions To Your self!!! You Dnt No Nuttin Bout Our Prophets Especially about Phrophet Muhammed (SAW). Da News Shock is dah Now Ima Tell Yew Awl Bout Judaism N bout Shannukah(HANUCKA).
yew dnt even no ur gods name dahs why you have 2 , i cud sai your gods used to child malester , and dah he used to be a stalker pheodaphile himself, dont worry yew ugly shyt da dai ov reserection will be coming and you will burn in hell ima be the witness on thaty dai and ima ask yew "WHY DID YOU DISREPECT THE BELOVED PROPHET?" i will be in heaven and on the wai going ill see you down in hell, you got your chance to repent for this so repent and ask for forgiveness from allah almighty cuz then atleast yew cant sai you neva had a chance to ask for forgiveness......Bye

NEELAM:

First of all,write properly in this website.We are not your brothers.

Your "suggestions" are NOT acceptable.

Your "prophet" Muhammad was a RAPIST,CHILD-MOLESTER,MURDERER,LIAR and a THIEF,
therefore not deserving to be respected,but DESPISED.

No.You WON'T go to heaven.You belong to a DEATH CULT,therefore your place in HELL is
secured,don't you worry about that.There you'll have sex with the DEVIL himself,instead with
the 72 virgins.You'll be the "virgin",if you know what I mean.

No.I won't ask "forgiveness from the DEVIL called "allah".I only pray to the
God of Israel,the one who gave liberty and our land of milk and honey called
Israel.

LOL Seriously guys. Neelam is just pulling your leg. This is not how he talks or thinks at all.

Don't tell me ....... let me guess ........... You hold the Chair for English Literature at an Islamic university. Correct?

correct !!!!
hw did you know?

Here's my thesis as to your identity Neelam:
You are a brit(of Paki origin) living in theUK.(your articulate writing style is almost pathognomic.
You passed up the education opportunities offered you; and are now a pathetic ill educated insignificant loser.
So what have you got going for you?
Fuck all!
The only thing is: that your belief in the rantings of a psychopathic desert
murderer gives you comfort.
Well keep wanking!because you're on the road to nowhere.
Everybody is laughing at you as a brainless clown and it hurts.
Dump Islam!(Allah doesn't give a fuck about you)because he doesn't exist.
There's still hope but that is contingent on your aquisition of basic literacy,
followed by learning something useful to earn a living(selling drugs is stupid).
And if you see Anjem Choudary give him a kick in the balls for me.

I think that IT is a troll, Beejj
Especially because the last message this thing sent me was unreadable. I wonder what dialect this is. The only thing I managed to understand in those scrambles was that this thing thinks that islam is a race! I'll be damned, the DNA mutates everytime someone converts to islam...then it mutates again when someone becomes an apostate... going against all natural laws!
just wow hahahaha

I believe the dialect was drunken gibberish, but I could be mistaken...

I think you are far more right than you imagine with that hypothesis... More than I ever could be, Kal_El.

I think the Yew that this THING writes has something to do with a plant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yew

"bout muslims" I think it refers to muslims being sick or something
http://www.answers.com/topic/bout
"An often prolonged period, as of illness: siege. See time."

But thinking about it, i think its just drunkenness.

I've often wondered how this site has remained free of semiliterate morons like our new pal Neelam.
Now we've got one(lucky us).
Let me guess your identity Neelam.
You are a young Paki brit full of the shit; that you've absorbed from your equally moronic pals.
You failed to take advantage of educational opportunities offered and are so abysmally thick that you can't even write correctly.
You are a member of an unemployable ,minority that is under some illusion that
you count in any way(an oxygen thief in the modern argot;but you wouldn't understand that crack).
The only thing that you probably do know is the address of the benefits office.
Now fuck off!sell some drugs ,or drive your taxi.
And take a good look at yourself ;a worthless undeducated piece of shit;a noxious parasite in a land where you don't belong.
I suggest watching Pat Condell videos to reassure you of how other people see you.
And as for that turd you call a prophet the least said the better.
Send me a death threat by return!

Neelam is laughing his ass off because you all are taking him seriously. LOL Good one Neelam!

OI!! .. Yew Dnt No Nutin Bout Islam Or Bout Muslims So I Suggest You Lock Off This Page N Keep You Full Ov Shyt Suggestions To Your self!!! You Dnt No Nuttin Bout Our Prophets Especially about Phrophet Muhammed (SAW). Da News Shock is dah Now Ima Tell Yew Awl Bout Judaism N bout Shannukah(HANUCKA).
yew dnt even no ur gods name dahs why you have 2 , i cud sai your gods used to child malester , and dah he used to be a stalker pheodaphile himself, dont worry yew ugly shyt da dai ov reserection will be coming and you will burn in hell ima be the witness on thaty dai and ima ask yew "WHY DID YOU DISREPECT THE BELOVED PROPHET?" i will be in heaven and on the wai going ill see you down in hell, you got your chance to repent for this so repent and ask for forgiveness from allah almighty cuz then atleast yew cant sai you neva had a chance to ask for forgiveness......Bye

How can that paedophile be a prophet when he never prophesised anything, except when he was going to abuse another poor child like Aisha. You disgusting pig. Go read your war manual!!

You are probably the most ignorant and stupid scumbag that I've ever seen on a blog. People like you are a festering sore on the face of the earth and should be excised and burned. I can't wait until Israel makes a smoking hole of critical parts of Iran and starts the conflagration to wipe the rest of you sorry pukes from the planet.

You ain't got a prophet you idiot. That pedophile, cross-dresser, fag mohammad never prophecized ANYTHING, and the book he wrote is full of mistakes and very amusing stupidities. There is nothing worth even reading about in the koran and hadiths except the funny parts that show what an ignorant, backwards fool your baby-raper mohammad was.

I feel dumber just by reading this message! Can someone please translate this, I think he talking something about his mom, then about how he got touched then I think he rambles something about mohammed being a pig... Who knows... his writing is abysmal!

stupid jewhawk racist tramp u gt it ALL wrong you fukin jew wt about wat use r doin to palestain fukin tramp

Is that Klingon you are speaking. Listen boy, read your war manual and it will tell you that your paedophile mohaMUD wants to rule the world. I have named my toilet after him, so piss off!!

SUEMAN: "stupid jewhawk racist tramp u gt it ALL wrong you fukin jew wt about wat use r doin to palestain fukin tramp"

Am I a racist?
YES.

The "palestinians" are nothing but a bunch of muslims who DESERVE
to be kicked on their smelly butts...as you are,"sueman".

Why don't you go to Gaza to wind up crushed under the tracks of a Merkava tank?
That's ALL you deserve in this life.Nothing more,nothing less!!

Bye,bye!

Obviously not doing enough to "palestain fukin tramp". You assholes are still alive, and the world would be a much better place if you weren't. Understand that??? Need clarification??

Nyeek Halek sharmota! Kis eyrree! Kis emmak! Eyrree feek! And kiss my light brown ass!

Normally I do not interfere in these tete a tete's but WTF are you saying?
ENGLISH MUTHA****A!? DO YOU SPEAK IT!?!?!? Geez, if you are going to insult
someone, at least have a command of the language in which you are trying to
hurl the insult. Imbecile.

Would you mind translating this into English, please? I suspect you are in some disagreement with Jewhawk, but I cannot be certain.

A MONTH, it took a month for the mother to do something.

This child was kidnapped and raped by PEACEFUL MUSLIM MEN , forced to do who knows what and than convert to Islam. yea right..religion of peace.

What's next for this child, possible pregnancy, than beatings and prison or death for having a child conceived by rape and a future uncertain by the peaceful religion called Islam.

Another innocent child destroyed by so called peaceful Islam. But what of the men? My bet is they will not be found guilty if they are even captured at all.

Lahore is a big place and a rat warren of poverty. Her mom, undoubtedly, moved heaven and earth to find her poor child. Guts and courage on mom's part saved this girl. A big hat tip and Chevalier bow to "MOM".

Mo the mad gave religious privileges to muslim men;meaning that kufr women were fair
game to assuage their priapic desires(muslimahs are off limits).
Thus the unholy prophet applauded sexual attack on non muslim females.
This egregious tradition survives today not only in third world cesspits but is also an unwelcome import to the west.
Do I hear a call for mandatory castration?

its the fault of the westerners, the jews and our need to impose our secular society over the muslims... done, I said it before any muslims says it... because again, they will blame it on us, as usual!

Its never islams fault.
Islam is a barbaric, backward, problematic, misogynistic, Geliophobic, Gymnophobic, Gnosiophobic , Gynephobic, Homophobic, Judeophobic. Kainolophobic, Melophobic, Methyphobic, Nudophobic, Paraphobic, Potophobic, Coitophobic, Cynophobic, Eurotophobic, Ithyphallophobic, Ideophobic, Transphobic, Xenophobic, Coprophilic, PAraphilic, Erotophonophilic, Raptophilic, Pedophilic and Urophagic religion

C'mon Necrowulf, dat t'ain't fair usin all dem fancy words without linkin' 'em to a dic-tion-ry! Wut you think we air, educated er sumtin?

Seriously, that is quite a list, and most of them will go over the average Muslim's head. On the other hand, you have to give them credit for the subtle strategy involved in this case, in that they achieved several goals with one girl. The obvious one, of converting her to Islam, gained one member for them and subtracted one Christian. The rape did more than physical harm, it shamed her and ruined her in the eyes of her society, even for many in her own family, most likely. Then he forced her to marry him, something that carries a lot of weight in local law which may be hard to undo, as hard as that may be to believe. I wouldn't be too hard on the mother, it took a month "with the assistance of the police" to recover her. She really couldn't do anything on her own.

Because of the dominance of Muslim culture in this area, it's possible this poor girl will wind up going back to this "husband" to live out her life as a Muslim bearing his children. And this is just another example of the ways Islam inflicts itself on the world.

A bullet to the head cancels lots of things...something the modern world should think about when dealing with muslim scumbags.

In any culture and religion rape is unacceptable,In America a woman/girl is raped every day,At least here we have sex offenders lists to keep track of these freaks,the mullahs like our western clothes ,cars, technology,they should adopt some of our policies on Human rights.They the victims,women who do not want to be subjected to abuse should use there own revenge,No means No in any religion/culture.Rise up women of Islam and insert a razor blade into the Vagina,This will stop some of the abuse,European,African,Israely,Did this during Occupations,especially NAZIS.

That's a comprehensive list of phobias Necrowulf not to mention the philias and one phagic.
get your dictionary out Shukri and tell ~"tiny URL"