Israeli MP: Iran will use Hamas, Hezbollah in retaliation to Israel strike

Liam Fox is using you to propagate an extremist rightwing Israeli myth. Do not allow yourself to be tricked by Greater Israel advocates. The point is that "resolving the problems between Israel and Palestine" means Israel returning to its le gal borders, Palestinians obtaining a viable state under decent (and independent) government, and therefore the end of Zionist dreams of 1) ethnic cleansing and 2) a greater Israel. All that implicitly entails an end to Israel's threats to Iran. In the process, the neo-con war (against Saddam) generation of superpatriots in Iran (Ahmadinejad, Rezai, etc.) would be undercut - they would no longer be able to score free points by rhetorical attacks against Israel. That, in turn, would empower moderates in Iran, folks who care about their domestic civil liberties and the state of their economy. I am NOT saying that anything would "fall into place." But all the other problems would become much easier to solve once the repression of Palestine and the threat of Israel expansion are ended.

As for Hamas, it is Sunni - no natural ally of Iran. Only Israeli extremism makes politically possible the increasing cooperation between Hamas and Iran. That is, Israel is opening the door to Iran. Whether you like Hamas or not, it is the Palestinian national liberation movement. Suppress it and it will take allies wherever it can find them.

Fox is trying to use the threat of 10-foot-tall Iranians as a cover so Israel can continue its absorption of Palestine.

You refer to Israel's legal borders. In the eyes of Mohammedans they have no legality: Israel should not exist.

You also Make mention of the fact that Sunni Hamas is not the natural ally of Shia Iran. So what? Was the Soviet Union the natural ally of Britain and America in WWII? Of course not, but they did a fair job on dear old Adolph, didn't they?

William deB.Mills:You seem to be under some illusion that Liam Fox is an Israeli!
Dr Liam Fox is the shadow defense minister in the British conservative party.
He is (and always has been) pro Israeli.
He 's simply giving his take on the current situation regarding Israel and Iran.
Regarding the two states solution the Palestiniacs have had many opportunities to resolve this issue for 40 years;and despite formal agreements always renege on them.
They have this quaint idea that the imaginary Allah will come to their aid and the Joos
will be forced out of that area of the previous British mandate.
The Israelis have had enough of broken promises(takiyeh) and unless the Palis come up with something that is tantamount to total surrender the situation won't change.
Calling Israelis extreme for trying to defend themselves is an EXTREME point of view from yourself.(it's idiotic).
As a Gentile (hopefully of the righteous variety)I have every admiration for a little nation
that takes its own security interests seriously; handing out fair and timely"kickings"to the 200 million barbarians on their borders ,who wish them dead.
I find your analysis naive and devoid of any realism.
Unless the Palis divorce themselves from their religiuos death cult(aka Islam)I see no hope
in the immediate future(Arab nationalist aspirations are never going to coinside with
Israeli defense interests).
Mass apostation of the Palis would be a good start.
Problem is they're too dim to understand that.

We can't turn our backs on Isreal. And we absolutely can't deal with Iran. Bomb them into the stoneage. Oh, they are already there.

Dear Vintage Jewelry,if this whole mess depended upon myself,
the next Iranian ruler would be XERXES,THE SURVIVOR...

Thank you for such excellent reporting. Finding that one part that says it all about the HEZ and Iran. I agree with the white flag thing to. Now if only someone other than all the liberal "tards" on capitol hill would read this.

THIS STATENENT IS PARAMOUNT:
"Let’s remember one thing. Obama wants to include Hamas in any peace deal with Israel. Legitimizing terrorist organizations seems to be no big deal in the endless pursuit of peace. A typical wave of the white flag from American liberals."

LET'S ALSO REMEMBER: OBAMA IS NOT REAL, OBAMA IS A COUNTERFEIT.

Could you elaborate on "Obama is not real, Obama is a counterfeit."? What evidence do you have to support this statement?

Sir W, my interpretation of Carolyne's comment is that Obama has fallen into the trap of trying to be all things to all men; of seeking to be Mr Nice Guy. During his campaigns the world's media competed with each other to say complimentary things about him, and I suspect he is trying to live up to the adulation. If so, the silly man needs to realise his job is to take America down the path of security and to maintain its position in a troubled world even at the expense of his own popularity, but does he have the courage for this? In striving to be seen through rose coloured glasses he displays a willingness to accommodate those who are, let us put in plainly, mortal and eternal enemies of America while treating Israel in a dangerously cavalier fashion. Perhaps he sees Israel as a thorn in his side, wishing it to go away, but it will not - at least not without a planet-ruining fight. No American president is flawless, but the country has been blessed with a sufficiency of men willing to do that which they believed to be right by their country. Usually, such actions inflame the passions of the liberals who, with Alice, live in Wonderland. These are Obama's legions and, whether they realise it or not, Islam's staunchest allies. The man worries me, so I hope I my view of him is entirely mistaken.

Well said BEEJJ.

Obama will sell out Israel, in order to please Iran. Of course, betraying Israel won't appease Mad Mahmoud any more than Chamberlain was able to appease Hitler. But Obama is either naive to the point of idiocy *or* he just doesn't give a damn about Israel. I can't help thinking that if we think back to his long friendship with an anti semitic pastor, the Rev Wright (?correct name?), then Obama's empty gestures, such as the White House Passover Seder, are just that: gestures.

Bush had his flaws, but I'll say one thing for that man: he was a truly loyal friend to Israel.

Yes Beejj, I agree up to the path he is taking. It seems to me he either
really believes the world is not as dangerous as we believe it is, or he
deliberately wants to weaken the US, to make it more vulnerable. As far as the
US maintaining it's position, I think he's made it fairly clear that he
thinks the US has been greedy in it's use of the world's wealth and resources,
and that it does not deserve it's present position. His apologies on his
overseas trip shows he believes we have abused our position of power, too.
The last thing we won't know until it is too late, is how far he is willing
to go in making concessions for world peace. Could he be willing to let
Israel be destroyed thinking that would bring peace? No one knows how much
damage Israel's nukes could do if it comes to a final battle, but Obama
might believe it wouldn't be "planet-ruining", since he seems to be one of those "Alice in Wonderland" liberals. Having him as CnC worries me too. I hope we're both wrong.

It is troubling that some people actually think Israel is the cause of all Middle East conflicts. It's a view that is blatantly contradicted by history. The sheer number of Muslim V Muslim, and Arab V Arab conflicts offers ample proof that the Jihad against Israel is a *symptom*, not a 'cause', of the larger clash between Islam and the West.

Obama is, unbelievably, linking Iran to the Palestinian problem. To do this spells calamity for Israel and it is also an irrational position to adopt. I lament the day that Obama got elected - and I'm not even an American!

Quite how Israel could hit Iran sans American support is a puzzler. If Israel chose an air strike, she would be on a collision course with American forces in the region, which could move to block her hit on Iran. It's a worrying situation to say the least.

Meanwhile, Obama - he of the empty gestures - has apparently declared this American Jewish Heritage Month or something???

Does he actually think these grand gestures - i.e. his Passover Seder night - are fooling anyone? His willingness/eagerness to compromise Israel in order to pacify Iran is SHAMEFUL.
http://ajewwithaview.wordpress.com

"It is troubling that some people actually think Israel is the cause of all Middle East conflicts"

Come on,Tabatha!!!

We,Jews,will FOREVER be blamed for EVERYTHING,EVERYWHERE.I'm used to it,
so I DON"T CARE anymore.
Jews have been accused of POISONING WATER WELLS,KILLING CHRISTIAN KIDS
TO MAKE MATZOT,MASTERMINDING THE 9/11,PROVOKING THE TSUNAMI and
now,of SPREADING THE SUINE FLU.

As I said earlier,I DON'T GIVE A DAMN about the world opinion,the very same that
let the HOLOCAUST happen during WWII.

Israel is ALONE,therefore must act accordingly.

Jewhawk,

Sure, but I tend to believe that there are two groups of people who unfairly blame Israel:

1 - the die hard anti semites who just enjoy bashing Israel

2 - people who genuinely don't know the facts and have absorbed MISinformation. Often these folk do not even know that the very term 'palestinian' always referred TO the Jews that have been living there for the past 3500 years.
They really believe that Jews just rocked up to the middle east in 1948 and kicked out the 'native palestinians'.

Some members of this second group ARE open to the genuine and accurate facts.

I don't agree with your rather optimistic assessment regarding
their willingness to hear the truth,for they will say that's merely
JEWISH/ZIONIST propaganda,since "we" control the media.

Most Brazilians think that way,as most of the British and Europeans.

The bottom line is that we were born to be HATED.

I accept that,for I do NOT want to be "loved" nor
I won't APOLOGIZE for being a JEW and for
supporting Israel 110% no matter what.

The German Jewry did just that during the 1920's and 1930's...see
what happened to them.

Jewhawk, read Tabatha's messages again. She's right on the money.

Where did I suggest or imply that any Jew, anywhere, should 'apologise' for being Jewish...?

Answer: I didn't.

Nor did I suggest that we should ever compromise Israel's safety or our Jewish identity in order to be 'loved'.

I merely spoke from my own **personal** experience. I have found that ****SOME***** people, once given the FACTS, then DO actually go away and think about things.

So kindly DON'T imply that I am anything less than a passionate supporter of Israel. It's insulting, unfair, and unnecessary for you to do so.

Tabatha,of course I'm aware that you support Israel,unlike a great
proportion of the LEFTIST AMERICAN JEWRY,that in order to "look
cool' to their peers,they end up criticizing Israel,something I deem
UNACCEPTABLE,UNBECOMING to ANY Jew.

I never intended to insult you,therefore I apologize if I was misunderstood.

No problem.

We're both on the same side :)

And if's any consolation at all, here in the UK we also have certain left-wing Jews who bash Israel, even when they don't argue from a position of fact and logic.

I can't remember any time, during my adult life, when Israel was as hated as she is at present. It's deeply sad - and also downright scary, frankly.

The more of us that are out here, in cyberspace, defending Israel, the better.

They are ASHAMED of being Jews,that's what my father used to
describe as "SELF-HATING JEWS".
I did know a couple of them and as early as nine or ten year old,
I did REFUSE to shake their hands,something I'm proud of until
this day.

They simply enjoyed drinking whisky at their non-Jewish friends's
homes,while their hosts villified Israel during 1982's Lebanon War,
remaining silent and agreeing with the diatribes thrown at Israel.


I'm NOT that kind of Jew,nor I've selected my nickname randomly.

Israel was hated,is hated and will be hated.There's NOTHING we can
do about it.The same goes to the Jewish People.I don't complain anymore,
for complaining will not change the status quo.Instead,I choose to FIGHT
with whichever means are available,including writing my rants in this website.

"Hamas is the foreign-policy wing of Iran in Israel.’”


Really?duhh...I didn't know that.It didn't appear written
at the New York Times,heh?How come?The left and former
U.S.president Jimmy Carter said that Hamas is a LEGITIMATE
part of the so-called 'palestinian struggle'...

I guess that someone re-discovered the wheel.


If I were the Israeli PM,I'd NUKE Iran,Lebanon and
Gaza,with small nuclear warheads.
The world would condemn my country,but I'd rather
be condemned than killed.
To HELL with the world opinion.

I don't think nuking Lebanon which is half Arab-Christian would be a good idea. Hamas wouldn't be good either because the nuclear residuals would have an effect on Israel. Hamas simply deserves another hefty dose conventional weapons like they got last year, and now that Bibi's in charge, he's more likely to hit them even harder next time.

Iran? a nice dose of bunker busting nukes on each nuclear station should do the job.

If Obama INSISTS in his awkward appeaseament policy vis-à-vis Iran,
strong-arming Israel to NOT act,Netanyahu will be FORCED by his
constituency to blast Iranian nuclear facilities to the Kingdom come,
but I don't know if Israel will be able to do so without American approval.

I do NOT want to be DOUBLE-CROSSED by any American administration
AGAIN,for Lyndon Johnson SPIED Israeli communications during the 1967
War and as result of this MALICIOUS,TRAITOROUS eavesdropping by the
U.S.Liberty,several american sailors were strafed,killed by Israeli aircraft.
The CIA/the british MI-6/U.S.Navy/U.S.Department of State's posse was
simply providing the egyptian officers with israeli troop movement data by electronically intercepting radio and phone talks between Israeli Generals,Government an troops on the ground.

I'm not proud about it,but it was NEEDED.

The U.S.though,CONTINUES to give valuable Israeli data to SAUDI ARABIA,
EGYPT and possibly JORDAN to this day!
Israel doesn't say much about this issue,but when Jonathan Pollard was caught
gathering information(aka spying)about some satellite pictures of Israeli interest(targets) in the Middle East he was thrown into jail in America until today,for Americans REFUSED to give those pictures to Israel.

American interests are not always the same as Israel's.This is a sad reality,and I
reckon that the worse is yet to come,if,as I said earlier,your president HUSSEIN
SCREW Israel AGAIN.