Obama Says Iran has a Right to Nuclear Power

A man who went to school in Indonesia.Where they still colour the top half of Australia the same colour as its own series of islands on maps and teach their children in school that it belongs to them and one day they will get it back.I shudder to think what "appeasements" Obama has instore for the most populous muslim nation on the planet.The President should see himself as entrusted with a guardianship,not a mandate to be world peace-maker.In short:-Uphold standards,not chase ideals.

I'm sorry but could you site a reference for your statement:

>>>funkybarfly said: "A man who went to school in Indonesia.Where they still colour the top half of Australia the same colour as its own series of islands on maps and teach their children in school that it belongs to them and one day they will get it back"<<<

I've attempted research on this but everything I found on Australian history says that the mainland (of Australia) has been Aboriginal land up to European colonization. I found one source stating that only the Torres Strait Islands (north of the 'pointy top' of Australia share Indonesian ethnicity (Melanesian); something I would conclude might give claim to an area. The Indonesians are documented as laying claim to the (eastern) remainder of 'New Guinea'/Papau (island).

Just to 'bust your chops' (as they say) I'm going to ask if you got your information from one of the following URLs?

http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Indonesia

(that site is some kind of game but it utilizes a frighteningly similar Wiki format to the much maligned Wikipedia - after seeing the above URL I can see why people are concerned about Wikipedia - it is so easy to fake such information, clearly there for entertainment but not clearly marked as such)

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/T2JB...

(that site is a speculation vehicle obviously)

Enough of the joke URLs though - do you have substantiation of your claim? I'll accept anecdotal/circumstancial/etc.

All leaders who take instruction from the ghost of a long-dead ayatollah should have access to the latest nuclear gadgetry.What could go wrong?.When did the office of the President go from being an elected leader who tends to the well-being and advancement of his country and its allies to being one of advancing a personal crusade-like agenda at the nations and its allies expense?.He should give it up.The title of Greatest Black Man Who Ever Lived belongs to Jimi Hendrix and will take beating by a better man than Obama.

That same Ayatollah, so revered by the programmed vermin who are modern Iranians, pronounced that music is unislamic. Yes, even Mozart, Beethoven, Bach and the rest of the gang who so enriched humanity. What did he think, I wonder, of that genius Bob Dylan? Ah, but Dylan is a Jew, isn't he? Is there such a thing as the Tehran Symphony Orchestra or an Iranian equivalent of the Beatles - the Cockroaches, perhaps? Can anything ever more reveal the hopelessness of any attempt to reach harmony with Mohammedans than this? Can people imagine what will happen to the great works of Western art if these animals gain the upper hand?

The treatment the Taliban gave those magnificent statues of the Buddha they came across in their local area is a likely indication of what they might do to other great works of art.

SirWilhelm-"And Dean, just out of curiosity, since you've indicated your belief in Yahweh and Christ, who do you believe Allah is?"

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." Allah was a pre- Islamic pagan deity. The hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters. Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. The most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. His symbol was the crescent moon. Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.

moon god/shiva/etc...i agree in part - I believe in formation the name 'allah' was generic as is 'god', 'al-ilah' = 'the god' = allah.

All as I've stated in my replies to the replies to my replies to the original post - all up above in the thread (run on intended)

“What I do believe is that Iran has legitimate energy concerns, legitimate aspirations,” Obama said,"

Oh, let there be no mistake - Iran definately has "ASPIRATIONS!"

MEMRI:
"General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel
out of existence Iran army head: We won't need more than 11 days to destroy Israel "

Hey,President Hussein...Is destroying Israel a "legitimate aspiration"?

jones: "He (Obama) hasn't told any outrages, completely false, lies like Bush. (remeber: 'Iraq certantly possess WMDs'?)"

“Iraq was clandestinely procuring nuclear weapons technology through a global network of front companies…This nation with a record of terrorism, continuing, was making a sustained, concerted effort to acquire weapons of mass destruction; nuclear, chemical and biological…” False lies(?) by Al Gore, 9-29-1992

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDitSbkQKIs&eurl...

I suppose the mass-murdering arch-terrorist, Saddam Hussein, had peaceful intentions for his stockpile of Uranium, just as the mass-murdering arch-terrorist Iranian leaders have peaceful intentions for their nuclear program.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

Nothing to worry about here; just move along like Obama and jones have suggested; and please ignore what Al Gore said - that video will have to be scrubbed.

Who has not told lies? Is not there such a thing as a lie of omission? Why didn't he stress his inner muslim before like he is now?

Someday we'll wake up to the reality that there is a significant portion of muslim leadership that subscribes to the belief that all religions are subject to their interpretation of god and it is their 'god (allah) given' belief to force the issue on the 'infidel' if necessary? I'd like to think that the rest of the muslims are simply misinformed and they believe (in spirit) in the same God as I do (solely Life and Love), in that God no evil is found.

The next day we'll wake up and realize that the hierarchy of the masons (not the rank and file?) are really crypto-muslims. That afternoon we'll wake up and realize that the worship on the arab peninsula of the hindu god shiva may have influenced the formation and/or interpretation of islam. That night the neo-gestapo will inform us that we are under arrest for being critical of the New Improved Evolutionist Religion (note - referred to as 'the beast' and the '7 headed creature' in Revelations).

The beast rising out of the waters may not be Europe as many interpretors of prophecy may conclude. 'Out of the sea' = 'out of the spiritual plane'? The 7 headed/10 horned beast being a frankenstein agglomeration of the world religions? All fueled by a evolutionary fire just like their 'saint' hitler? Such a thread that weaves the noose we'll be hung with if we don't wake up.

Imagine it is 1942:

"President Franklin Roosevelt suggested that Nazi Germany may have some right to nuclear energy _ provided it proves by the end of the year that its aspirations are peaceful."

If Iran has the right to nuclear power we have the right to pray that God will take their ability to harm Israel away from them.

I pray that He will allow Iran's weaknesses and the weaknesses inherent in the fault lines of their land to manifest as does their hatred. I pray that no person or life is lost if the earth herself opens up and swallows their treachery.

In the name of Yahweh and His Living Prophet Jesus The Christ (His Manifestation made perfect).

Of course if God would allow that no one would need to stop them (and potentially spark an armed conflict)

I hope you don't mind me pointing out that the Iranians, and most other, if not all, Muslims, are praying to Allah for the destruction of Israel, and the Great Satan, US. The Muslims believe Allahu Akbar (God is Greater) and that the nukes they are building will enable them to carry out His wishes. While you're excersising your "right to pray" they're following Yahweh's advice that he'll help those that help themselves. Perhaps you should consider the possiblity we should follow that advice too, just in case Yahweh and Christ are not in the "allowing" mood?

And Dean, just out of curiosity, since you've indicated your belief in Yahweh and Christ, who do you believe Allah is?

I subscribe to the theories (much disputed) that describe 'allah' as a contraction of 'al-ilah' which proponents claim means 'the god' in arabic and other related middle eastern languages (current or 'dead').

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/arabic_to_english/rel...
http://www.balaams-ass.com/ALHAJ/page10.htm

(please note that my quoting either URL does not implicitly mean I support ALL of the other claims or commentary on either site )

I subscribe to the theory that YHWH is derived from the ancient Hebrew verb "haya," meaning "to be", with the further interpretation that it means that God is telling us he is self existent. To me it seems clear that The Creator would be self existent so I find no reason to find any other 'proper' and specific name for God. The other names used for God are mostly 'generic' (akin to 'god').

http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/yahorj...

(please note that my quoting that URL does not implicitly mean I support ALL of the other claims or commentary on the site )

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one"

Mr.Maiorano said:"...I pray that no person or life is lost if the earth herself opens up and swallows their treachery."

If an EARTHQUAKE do occur in Iran,something very common,I do hope that at least it could
destroy the nuclear facilities that are being prepared to manufacture weapons against Israel.

But then again,God didn't stop the Germans,Ukranians,Poles,Hungarians,Romenians,French
of killing millions of Jews during the 1940's...

This time,the Jewish People can only count on the expertise and courage of the boys and girls
of the Israeli Air Force and the Israeli Navy as well.

As I said, if God would allow the evil manifest to consume those holding the flame of such desire then the need for self defense on the part of God's people would not be necessary.

I am of European descent with family genealogy leading me to believe I am 1/8 Jewish. That would have made me eligible for the Wehrmacht but I can assure you if the like of such as hitler walks the earth again I will stand with God's people (including up to death if need be). I've already had two attempts on my life by criminals (at gun point) so I know what facing death is all about.

I believe that God is Life and Love manifest (necessitated by His identity as Creator and Sustainer) and know that He is incapable of evil. However, as evil does exist He allows for satan to use evil to correct His people and to undo those that would do harm to His people. Evil came into this world through mankind's separation from God (the state of 'sin') and He has no part in it and it no part in Him. There will be a day when satan will be circumcised from the universe and it shall return to state of communion with Him and perfect manifestation of Him. I believe that Y'Shua ("YHWH is our salvation") is and will always be the perfect manifestation of God in His intended temple (a human body), something we are all to share in manifesting through our own bodies (temples).

I don't know which Israeli diplomat said it on TV one night but I remember him saying something to the effect "...when The Messiah comes we will all have an answer to the question of whether we are all christians or jews...". I agree and to me it does not matter as Y'Shua is Y'Shua is Y'shua (YHWH is salvation, YHWH is salvation, YHWH is salvation).

I will conclude with a question - if a man is used to be a perfect manifestation of God (LIFE) and no sin (separation from God) is found in such a man - how can He be killed (put to death)?

(I'm also part Italian descent and for me it is clear that it was the Romans not the Jews that crucified Jesus. Where then was/is the justification for anti-Semitism? If one truly believes The Christ is NOT DEAD why have European 'christians' been torturing and killing Jews?)

I'm fully aware of every threat Iran has issued against Israel, but I think you're putting far too much into it. As I see it, they're trying to appease and befriend the arabs. Why should persians suddently develop an obsession with Israel? And do you honestly believe anyone is so stupid to repeatedly make their intention to eradicate Israel public, while at the same time develop nuclear bombs? Not to mention this is a country with close to zero allies. That's not giving them alot of credit...

"Remember after 9-11, when the American public were left thinking, "Why didn't we see this coming"? It's cause of idiots like you..."
Right... I'm sure you would've easily predicted it were it not for the likes of me.

"From now on,I regard the United States of America's president,Mr.
Barack Hussein Obama an ENEMY of Israel."
Figures, you can't say the slightest thing against the interrest of Israel without being labeld an enemy of Israel, an anti-semite and a holocaust-denier.

"He says so, so it must be true ....... mustn't it?"
So far he has my trust. He hasn't told any outrages, completely false, lies like Bush. (remeber: 'Iraq certantly possess WMDs'?)

Jones, you need to grow up. Hasn't anyone told you that a politician who does not lie is a contradiction in terms? Politicians are more accomplished liars than even journalists and real estate agents, but they can lie until the cows come home if their doing so benefits my country and its allies and costs those who threaten us.

Dear Mr.Jones,if dealing with the facts is troublesome to you I really
can't do much more than correct something you've said:

"Figures, you can't say the slightest thing against the interrest of Israel without being labeld an enemy of Israel, an anti-semite and a holocaust-denier."

Iran REPEATEDLY called for the destruction of Israel.This,sir,is not a falsehood.It's printed and
published everywhere and in every language;This rightfully deserves to be called an enemy of Israel.

Iranians REPEATEDLY called the Jewish Holocaust a "MYTH",including organizing conferences on that
subject in which well-known Holocaust-deniers authors gave their lectures to avid muslim audiences.

Anti-Jewish books such as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and Hitler's "MEIN KAMPFF" are
BEST SELLERS in the muslim countries.This per se deserves to be called as "anti-semite" act.

WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION:

In 1988,more than FIVE THOUSAND Kurds were brutally poisoned by Saddam's cousin,the
infamous CHEMICAL ALI;This,sir,it's a FACT.If the Iraqi regime used ALL of what it had against
the Kurds doesn't mean that George W.Bush "LIED".

OBAMA'S OUTRAGES:

Well,if CLOSING GUANTANAMO without ANY plan to relocate those muslims and
BOWING to a muslim despot aren't outrageous enough for only four our five months
of presidency in your opinion,I guess that shows how patriotic you're,sir.

"As I see it, they're trying to appease and befriend the arabs." Why would they need to do that? If they get nukes, they'll be only the 2nd Arab country to have them after Pakistan and could dictate to the rest of the Arab world that lacks them. And the Persians are no less obssesed with Israel than any other Muslim country, and being Muslim matters more than being Persian. They're only being as stupid as Hitler, who told the whole world his plans in Mein Kampf and many speeches, no one believed him either, until it was too late. Many Muslims admire Hitler, btw.

"Figures, you can't say the slightest thing against the interrest of Israel without being labeld an enemy of Israel, an anti-semite and a holocaust-denier." Just like you can't say anything against Islam without being labled Islamaphobic.


"He hasn't told any outrages, completely false, lies like Bush" What planet are you living on? He's broken many of his campaign promises, like keeping the military commissions, as just one example. And Iraq did possess WMDs, they had the gas Saddam used on the Kurds. Gas is a WMD.

How do you know Obama has not told lies? Because they have not been unearthed? How do you know Iraq had no WMDs? Because they were not unearthed? Does poison gas constitute a WMD? Iraq had the stuff by the ton, as the CIA knows full well, but we mustn't embarrass Mr Gates, must we? Your fourth sentence is mystifying, so kindly re-phrase it.

Obama must consult his dictionary to find the meaning of the word "hubris". He believes he has taken out a mortgage on wisdom and that a sufficiency of sycophants and idolaters will accept his every utterance as abiding truth. He believes that the rest of us will believe Iran has no nuclear weapon ambitions if he says so. He says so, so it must be true ....... mustn't it?

I reckon that the 80% of the American Jewry who did vote for
the Democrat ticket in 2008 was,to put it mildly,DECEIVED.

Having said that,now Benjamin Netanyahu mustn't regard
America as a friendly country for the time being,that is,until
a Republican could be elected in 2012 or 2016.Until then,I'd
keep America/Israel diplomatic relations as hot as Liquid Nitrogen.

1) Israel should ATTACK Iran,Syria and Lebanon HARD;Sinking
the Iranian Oil Tankers's fleet,refineries,airports,roads,power plants,
Army barracks,hospitals,firefighters buildings,police stations,universities
and schools...everything in order to reduce our enemy's fighting capabilities
in the short and medium terms.

2) Israel should REFUSE the American financial/military aid,
that seems to be 3 Billion Dollars each year;No more American
remote-controlled israeli foreign policy.

3) Israel should build in what the world calls "West Bank" as
if it weren't a tomorrow;Increasing by 150 or 200% over the
previous years would be a good start;

4) Test a HYDROGEN BOMB publicly;

5) Get Israel out from the United Nations.I do NOT want
to depend upon the American veto over ludicrous
and intermitent U.N condemnations that always
singles out Israel whilst ignoring the muslim aggressions;

From now on,I regard the United States of America's president,Mr.
Barack Hussein Obama an ENEMY of Israel.

Well, he's also been trying to drag us out of the worst economic crises since the thirties. And he's hardly more friendly to our enemies, how do you think he would react if Iran made settlements in Israel?
You're clearly exaggerating when saying he's appesing our enemies, he's rather approaching them in a slightly different tone than "stop it because I so or we'll bomb you".
Of course, I'm also suspicous when they launch long-range missiles, but fact remains that thinking Iran is building nuclear weapons is speculation.

And dragging us into an economic nightmare that we may never recover from if he is allowed to continue his spending sprees. Approaching the enemy with a slightly different tone, huh? Yeah, one of weakness with no ramifications. You are "suspicious" of their "long-range missles"??? Well…good for you. Let’s all wait and “speculate” until we are ABSOLUTELY certain of what his intentions are.

No, it's actually NOT the worst economic crisis since the 30's. read up on your history.

I'm not exaggerating about Iran. You clearly don't read the news, read books or pay any attention to Iran or their ambitions or terrorism in general. I'm not going to school you on the basics. That's what Google and this blog is for. Maybe you should dig into the archives. Start here:

http://infidelsarecool.com/Iran

See...you're the type that doesn't pay attention to what their enemies are saying or doing, and then gets blind sided by an attack while your left scratching your head as thousands of our people or our friends die.

Remember after 9-11, when the American public were left thinking, "Why didn't we see this coming"? It's cause of idiots like you...

That does it! I'm now completely convinced that Obama IS the Anti-Christ. [Funny coming from an atheist, eh?]

For the non-believers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gtx-MNJpGA

How does that translate to, "Obama Says Iran has a Right to Nuclear Power ?"
I don't like the guy, his policies, his ridiculous spending, or his liberal sensibilities either, but come on...

What suggests that he DOESN"T think it? cmon...listen to his words, listen to his rhetoric. keep your head in the sand all you want. We'll gladly blow the whistle.

Your dog has been in charge for the past 8 years...
What do you say we give the guy a chance, eh?

What would you like to give him a chance to do? He’s off to a hell of a start, isn’t he? Less than a year ago, this idiot said that Iran is a “tiny country and doesn’t pose a threat”, only to correct himself the next day with “Iran is a grave threat”. Who knows what he really believes. He is a walking contradiction on nearly everything. He says he believes Iran has “legitimate aspirations” (ummm…okay - based on...what?) and he will support Iran’s right to nuclear energy “provided it takes steps to prove its aspirations are peaceful”. He wants to open a dialogue to ensure this. Didn’t Khamenei already tell him once what he could do with his “olive branch”? Looking forward to more apologetic ramblings and America bashing from “The Chosen One” on Thursday.

Jones, We gave this guy a chance during the time he was running for office. We know exactly where he stands now. This kind of reckless speech by our President does not deserve to be commended. Barack Obama is a dangerous, incompetent statist who haves a global agenda in mind. He proves it every time he opens his mouth. If you have an idea on what it means to be an freedom loving American then you should hope that Obama's policies fail miserably. This evil man is the antithesis to all that is truly American and by being weak towards Iran and other countries that hate us he shows his supreme idiocy.

uh...it's been over 4 months and he's already spent more money than all previous president's combined. He's already appeased EVERY enemy of ours with his apology tours. He's already been slapped around by dictators around the world. He's already dissed our allies and is systematically being nicer to our enemies than he is to our allies. He's already done more damage to this country than anything you could ever imagine Bush doing. Get your head out of your ass and start paying attention to what your "Messiah" is actually doing.