Iran Ayatollah: Beautiful speeches will not overcome Muslim hatred of US

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SORRY I MEANT KISS THESE MUSLIMS ASS, NOT KILL..LOL TYPE O

I RATHER BE HATED BY THE MUSLIMS THAN BE LAUGHED AT BY THEM. RIGHT NOW WE ARE A LAUGHING STOCK TO THE MUSLIM WORLD AND OBAMA IS THE BIGGEST JOKE OF ALL. BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO KILL THESE MUSLIMS ASS!! OBAMA DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD FAR ENOUGH UP THEIR ASS? MUSLIM ASS KISSER!!

Thanks for your comment but there's no need to type in all caps.

WE NEED TO IMPEACH THAT CLOWN WE CALL A PRESIDENT AND PUT A REAL PRESIDENT IN OFFICE. WHEN BUSH WAS IN OFFICE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THESE DAMN FILTHY MUSLIMS. THEY ALL NEED TO GO BACK TO THE MENTAL EAST WHERE THEY CAME FROM AND GET THE HELL OUT OF AMERICA AND TAKE THAT JOKE OF A PRESIDENT OBAMA WITH YOU...I'LL NEVER BOW DOWN TO THE EVIL CULT OF ISLAM..

Even though Satan's hatred, God always keeps on loving.

Fucking muzlems the followers of the writer of Satanic book Koran , founder of Satanic religion Islam so called the messenger of Satan Muhammad.

As you know, Islam means submission and does not the average christian believe we must all submit to God? I do not believe as the Muslims though I believe there is much truth in the Quran. I do believe close to what the average 'born again'/fundamentalist does in terms of biblical interpretation and I completely agree with them on the identity ascribed to God (YHWH) and believe that Jesus The Christ is His ONLY Living Prophet (and ONLY perfect manifestation). I try to make some attempt to understand science and religions not as vehicles of satan but fractured images of a whole that will be known at some future time. That does not prevent me from believing that both science and ALL religions have been misused as vehicles of oppression (satan).

The Democrats should be disappointed at this remarks...Americans are
just one step of being politically sodomized by the muslims for they'll
never get satisfied with president Hussein's uncalled for apologetic
behavior.They want it ALL...the usual appeasement policy won't do
this time.

MUSLIM DEMANDS TO AMERICA:

*Declare an ECONOMIC,DIPLOMATIC and MILITARY embargo against Israel;

*Recognize "palestine" as a sovereign "state" with Jerusalem as its capital,and
demand the Zionist "settlers" to leave the city;

*American troops must leave ALL muslim lands at once;

* The Armenian Genocide must be IGNORED,the word HOLOCAUST should
be ERASED from american textbooks;

And more 50 or 60 other demands BEFORE muslims stop hating America.

Fair enough,isn't it?

History has a way of repeating itself. Iran has been claimed as the 'aryan homeland' by some. Here's one downright eerily ironic site:

http://www.geocities.com/aryannews/news00005.htm

Of course that goes against scientific evidence:

http://www.roperld.com/graphics/MigrationMap.jpg

Thank you for the aryannews link, it brought me up to date on the more recent aspects of Aryan history in the area. I didn't realize their plight in Iran. As for the "scientific" evidence, I take "main stream" science with a grain of salt in any case.

Ah, Sir W, my friend, I am bound to respond ...........

You take "main stream" science cum grano salis? Hm, let's see ......... Let's imagine a world without it ...........No radio, TV, CDs, video, DVDs, radar, computers. No means of transport other than horses (camels, etc) and sailing ships. No antibiotics,
X-rays, ultrasound, transplant surgery, anaesthetics, dialysis, pacemakers. No mains electricity. No plastics. No man-made fibres. No fast dyes for clothing. No nuclear power nor nuclear weapons. No electrolytic production of vital substances. No Hubble telescope and weather satellites. No petroleum refineries. No modern explosives for mining, etc. No preservatives for foods. No modern agricultural techniques. No means of providing potable water on a large scale. No efficient fertilisers. No refrigerators. No supermarkets. No understanding of DNA and proteins and vitamins and lipids and carbohydrates. No knowledge of alloys. No grand scale production of sulphuric acid and other essential compounds. No lasers. No germ theory. No modern dentistry. No rechargeable batteries. Is that enough to be getting on with?

Thank God Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Clerk Maxwell, Lavoisier, Fischer, Pasteur, Mendeleev, Thomson, Rutherford, Moseley, Pauling, Gibbs, Helmholtz, Gauss, Volta, Gay-Lussac, Einstein, Bohr, Schroedinger, Heisenberg, Dirac, Born, Fermi, Feynman, Gell-Mann, Crick & Watson, Sanger, Fleming and a galaxy of other stars did not share your view! : )

I assume you use 'Thank God' euphemistically? Just busting chops as they say!

I couldn't agree more, many scientists were led by their conscience and it has led to much good. I would like to add that many scientists following their consciences also has stopped much bad, take for instance the scientific community's response to nuclear proliferation (Bohr, Oppenheimer, Einstein, Sakharov, et. al.) and the present scientific response to global warming.

Yes, dno, I say such things as Thank God and Good God! and I Swear To God and Jesus Christ! and God Knows and Honest To God and so on as a matter of course, not because I believe in God, but simply because from childhood such expressions have been commonplace in my daily living.

So many people are utterly clueless about science, so their painful ignorance leads them to say the most outlandish things about it. They seem to believe that scientists think they hold a mortgage on Truth, when nothing could be farther from the truth. Scientists are like children playing the delicious game of exploration. They triumph and they fail. This is grist to their mill, and they would have it no other way. They REJOICE when they are proved to be wrong, for it means there are fresh discoveries to be made. There is not a scientist alive who hopes the day will dawn when there will be a Theory Of Everything. Perish the thought! Yet, it's huge fun to search for such a theory because along the way wondrous discoveries will be made. Science MUST advance. Religion MUST stagnate.

Those of a moronic nature point the finger at science to highlight the evil uses to which it has been put, but this is not the fault of science. A car might rush someone to hospital to save a life or it might kill a child on the way. Not the car's fault. Science is not for good, nor is it for evil. Science is FOR nothing. One might as well condemn language since it can be used in a variety of ways.

I have numerous friends on this site who are of a religious persuasion but put up with me when I rant against religion. None of them is Mohammedan! They totally disagree with my views, just as I think they are sadly mistaken in theirs. We remain friends. I just had a thought, one which might bring their good-natured wrath upon me. Here it is: Religion exists because people are fearful of the finite and terrified of the infinite. There! I expect that gem to be in all respectable books of quotations a thousand years from now!!

I agree. I am not a scientist but from my amateur perspective science is about KNOWING THE TRUTH and all its progress proceeds from that basic drive.

I am finite and not terrified of the infinite as I realize the universal construct necessary to pull that trick off (infinity) will be most awesome and should keep us occupied eternally.

I'm as grateful as the next person for the benefits of technology, but I
believe many of them came about despite "main stream" science, not because of
it. Many of today's inventions came about through the work of engineers
who can build and make things work, and/or scientific mavericks working out
side their fields of expertise. Others work despite the lack of true
understanding of what makes them work, do we really know what light is, for i
nstance? We say it is both a particle and a wave, while knowing it can't really
be both. Much of the theory which "main stream" science is built on was
formulated at the turn of the century, the 20th century, and has become
dogmatism until science has become like a religion, with Einstein and Darwin
approaching sainthood, despite evidence of flaws in their work.

You site Newton as one of your "stars" of science, rightly so, since even
NASA still uses his formulas in their computations for their space missions.
But Newton himself had no theory on what gravity is. Yet we have built a
whole universe based on a gravity only premise. We spend billions of dollars
building experiments that fail over and over, no Higgs-Bosun has yet been
found, no gravity waves detected, but, our "scientists" go on undeterred,
promising if we give them more money they'll find them eventually. If an
experiment doesn't find what it's designed to detect, has it not failed?
Aren't theories supposed to be falsefiable to be "scientific" theories? But
there is no one to tell them when they have failed, when it's time to start
over. Or to tell them when to look at competing theories that fit the existing
evidence better than theirs.

There are endless discussions on other blogs and forums on every scientific
field regarding the problems with science, we can only scratch the surface
here. But what I've found is not only do we still have much to learn, but
we have so much to unlearn. Again, I can't dispute the technology we have
and that it works, what I marvel at is how it works when we understand so
little and wonder if our technology could not be even better if we truly
understood our universe.
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Light is particulate. Read Feynman.

Your use of the word "maverick" is inappropriate because you deliberately use it to falsify the facts. Trailblazers, by definition, find new trails, but those of the scientific persuasion do so after achieving mastery in the relevant prevailing field. Einstein is the classic example of that. You almost give the impression that people such as those I mentioned (I omitted Kelvin!) either knew nothing about science and fortuitously made an astonishing advance, or went into their sheds every day determined to find something wrong with whatever happened to interest them at that moment. This is not how it works. Serendipitous events happen, of course - witness Becquerel and Roentgen - but only when the observer is a first-class, highly-trained scientist using established scientific procedures. No rabbits pulled out of hats.

Science can never be a religion because science doubts itself: it has no room for dogma. Perhaps every scientific treatise should begin with the words, "As far as we know ........" but there is no need for them because all scientists are acutely aware of this. Those that believe otherwise display a dismal ignorance of the nature of science - there is no shortage of such people, and their numbers seem to swell with each passing year, strangely enough.

Engineers, technologists - call them what you will - put into practice that which scientists have discovered. A simple stone or wooden bridge might be constructed by anyone having not the faintest idea of the interplay between forces withing their structures nor resonance effects, but don't ask one of such people to build a replacement for the Golden Gate Bridge. Do you think engineers are ignorant of physics???

The Book of Science will never be completed (unlike a few religious tomes I can think of) because the search for Truth is never-ending. What's the modern expression - a work in progress? How long has that which we consider to be science (what you like to term "mainstream" science) been going? Since the days of Galileo and Newton, which is not long at all. It is hardly surprising, then, that we consider it to be in its infancy. Little wonder the work is still in progress and that we scientists recognise there is much to be unravelled. Yes, Newton worked from a single frame of reference, but he achieved wonders. Given the state of knowledge of Nature at that time he ranks beneath no-one before or since, but it was only when Clerk Maxwell, upon consideration of Faraday's astonishing labours, produced his equations that the door was opened for Einstein to take Newton's ideas into the next stage of development. No shame to Newton! Yes, we are still struggling to unravel the mystery of gravity, but does this undermine the work of Newton and Einstein? Of course not! Does it "prove" science is a failure or that scientists are full of hot air? Not at all. Remember - work in progress!

Your assertion that there is no-one to tell scientists when an experiment has "failed" is laughable. Believe me, scientists know the nature of their beast and need no assistance from the ignorant or intellectually inadequate. You seem to take a dim view of the fact that the search for the Higgs boson and for gravity waves (if they exist) is horrendously expensive, and there is even the hint that you believe scientists are so without morals and so greedy for money that they conceive of outlandish investigations, in all likelihood doomed to failure, just to line their pockets. That's way, way below the belt. What drives you to harbour such a jaundiced view? Is it based upon some strange jealousy: are you disgruntled to be excluded from the scientific fraternity? Are you fearful of scientific advancement? Does the widening gap between you and them cause you sleepless nights? Do you wish to see science under the control of some governing body - composed of non-scientists, of course (Galileo had a few problems under such a scheme)? That's a bit like putting chimpanzees in charge of the zoo.

As for your arcane line about "competing theories", perhaps the less said the better!

I repeat that which I wrote in my previous message ..... without the myriad benefits resulting from the labours of scientists, life would be short, ugly and brutish.

you're welcome I guess.

I wasn't linking to it to justify the iranian attitudes, just shed more light on it. IMHO, I think that it might not be a good thing when aryans and muslims find common ground as WWII (and WWI for that matter) showed us. For the record though, let me just state that I characterize ANY oppression as wrong.

I have a friend who believes the Iranians are trying to rebuild the Persian Empire. Since your link shows the Aryans, or Persians, are not in control in Iran, that doesn't seem to be the case. On the other hand, there seems to be a real fear among the other Arab countries about Iran becoming dominate, particularly in Saudi Arabia. It goes back to the breakup of the original Caliphate. Since then, the Arabs would rather really run their own countries than be ruled by anyone of them. Remember how they allied with all the infidels when Saddam took Kuwait? Many experts feel that the Saudis, Yemenites, Syrians, etc., will quickly get their own nukes if Iran finally develops theirs, to be able to defend themselves against Iran, rather than support them. All we can do is wait and see.

But is waiting enough? why should we wait for a threat? we shouldn't, we should investigate and remove any threat for too long we have been weak and for too long we sit around doing nothing, we have become a country?countries too afraid to impose our deserved power now and then and so now thanks to weak people in our countries we listen to people and those pathetic human rights campaigners and as they drag us down the slow and winding road our enemies laugh and when it comes to it, they will kill us in a blink of the eye no hesitation. what has this country come to?

Isn't he the real voice (real power) in Iran? I've seen Iran apologists characterize his position as different from Ahmadinejad's polemics. I had been finding their 'assurances' reassuring (take for instance the Daily Show visit by the Hooman Majd). With this kind of comment though...

I truly believe that this cycle of hate will only stop when the moderate muslims stand up to the extremist muslims like the moderate christian countries stood up to hitler during WWII.

Might there exist a K-MART in downtown Tehran?.It looks for all the world like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad buys his clothes off the bargain tables there.He surely must be dressed by the same people who dressed Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man.Just odd,thats all.Creepy infact.

HSB, I spoke to four Mohammedans yesterday afternoon and asked them what they thought of Obama's speech. They all laughed. It would have been instructive to have delved into this, but I had to leave to teach. Call me fanciful if you will, but I gained the impression that they felt they do not need Obama or anyone else from the West: that time is on their side and they are making use of it. One of them did say, however, that Israel must withdraw to its pre-1967 borders. When I asked why the borders are different from what they had been he replied that it was due to Israeli aggression!! I have no doubt they actually believe it, too. This little tale is a mere bagatelle, yes, but it suggests that these smug people are laughing at America. They didn't laugh at it when Bush occupied the hot seat.

Beejj, I hope you don't mind my pointing out that they laughed when you asked them what they thought of Obama's speech. I would take that to mean they were laughing at his speech, not necessarily America. You might be able to conclude from that, that they were laughing at Obama. Then you might conclude they were laughing at those that voted for him. Me, I'm laughing at those that still can't see through the supposed charisma he has, which I could never see.

Of course the Muslims believe their own propaganda. The Germans believed theirs right up until their country went to the grave with Hitler, and they were a better educated people than the Muslims are. Belief is based on what you want to believe, not on intelligence, look at the questionable beliefs many intelligent people have.

No, they didn't laugh when Bush occupied the hot seat, I hope Obama's followers are happy when the kind of laughs Obama is getting from the Muslims now. They're so oblivious, it seems they are.

Fair point, Sir W. Perhaps I am becoming overprotective of America in my dotage!

Your heart is still in the right place, Beejj.

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Sorry, don't know how that got on there, it was an accident. Now I can't figure out how to remove it, damnit.

Hate!the one aspect of Muslim culture that everyone can rely on.
Constant training from cradle to grave.

Yeah. That is what I've been saying. I actually agree with the Iran Ayatollah on this one.

Really? You're siding with a hate spewing Ayatollah over our own President. You sir may be just as stupid as you are unpatriotic!

he's making the point that is contradictory of what Obama thinks. Obama thinks he can talk talk talk and swoon the Iranians into loving us. IT's naive and dangerous to believe if only you lay down your arms that your enemies will learn to love you.

How pathetic of Obama to basically tell the people of Iran the the possibility of freedom is dead while he makes deals with their slavemasters (Mullahs).

Nobody is "siding" with the Ayatollah. What Nick is saying is that the Ayatollah is correct and Obama is wrong. Iran will CONTINUE to hate Americans and no fluffy unicorn speech will change that.

It also doesn't change the fact that we want to have unconditional meetings between our tactical nukes and their nuclear facilities.

Alex,

You are a f**cking moron.
First off, don't call me unpatriotic. I've killed dirty islamic extemist terroists for my country and am very proud of it and of the men who I served along side with in the Marine Corps.

And don't call me stupid. If you honestly believe that "Beautiful speeches" WILL overcome Muslim hatred of US, then you are the f**cking stupid one here.
Wise up, dipshit.

Action does speak louder than their words. The ayatollah's and our president's alike.