A Follow up on the Hamas Mass Child Bride Story

One bride at a time, or 450 at once, what's the difference?

I believe it happened.

They bury women to their shoulders and stone them all the time without any reason,
why would this be so unbelievable?

This is soft core compared to their other blood sports.

"ultra-right Islamophobic"

That's exactly what I am...and PROUD of that.I don't agree with the term "islamophobic",
because "phobic" comes from the Latin "Phobos",that means FEAR.

I do not FEAR Islam.I only HATE it.

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THE WEDDING GIRLS:

Islamic culture CONDONES such a thing.The muslim girls ought to marry
COMPLETE STRANGERS if their fathers decide to do so.

When and IF the girl says "NO",she'll be a serious contender in that remarkable
islamic game,called "THE HONOR KILLING FREAK SHOW",in which,by ISLAMIC
LAW,her father,brother,uncle is entitled to KILL her to keep her family's "honor"
intact.

Islamic behavior regarding women is ABOMINABLE.Period.
Having said that,I do not have ANY reason whatsoever to believe
that those little girls (who eventually will become suicide-bombers or
their mother's)are NOT being forced to marry those PERVERTS.
They've been PROMISED to them.It's LEWD.It's UNBECOMING.It's MUSLIM.

Hitler ordered a bunch to copulate in one of his "great speeches" and there were tens of thousands conceived that night . The muz are just keeping the fertility rate at the 8:1 skyrocket figure planning ahead. and that is history. History repeating itself.

I really don't understand your point. A bunch of what - rabbits? What good would it have been if Hitler had ordered copulation? He got into full dictatorial power in 1933 and killed himself in 1945...anything conceived even the first night of his ascendancy would have been 11 verging on 12 at the most by that last year.

The point would be to create more Muslims to wage Jihad against the West.

I didn't understand the point about Hitler and 'ordered copulation'.

I agree with your point - we need to know the facts and Mr. Marshall is clearly not able to produce hard evidence to shut down the debate. It would be quite scandalous to find out that the girls were in fact the brides.

This all comes down to Mr. Marshall and his word right now. Part of me is saying "he wouldn't lie because his reputation/credibility would suffer if he were found out" and the other part is asking "would a journalist lie about a damning incident if it meant he would be denied access to such events in the future for telling the truth?". I believe Mr. Marshall's statements but I also want FACTS proving that the girls were not child brides. When Mr. Marshall started spreading his story I was hoping he had video or photographic evidence to verify his claims. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case.

I don't think long winded debate helps if there is no 'result' - no definitive identification of who the girls are, especially in light of how depiction of said debate is taking shape. I knew heated discussion of the girls' role in the ceremony would be characterized as Islam-o-phobia.

So - is the reporter telling the truth or is he lying for some reason - like trying to protect his future access to such events? The simpler truth would be the former considering Mr. Marshall is a reporter with quite a track record.
So - is it worth discussing the story further in hopes doing so will ferret out the truth or is debate meaningless when negative results will be discredited as "Islam-o-phobic" misinformation? The right course would be FIND THE TRUTH no matter the criticism such an effort generates.

Regardless of how this debate is depicted I think the truth should be known. I have voiced my concerns regarding unbridled outrage until we know the truth and I stand by those statements. My desire to 'cool' the outrage by presenting information from which the girls' identity could be inferred does not mean I want to stop short of finding the truth regarding this issue.

These so called brides have no headscarf.
girls are allowed to go without headscarf as long as they have not come of age. And seeing that the headscarf is a rule these people abide by, these girls can not be the brides. It is normal in islamic weddings that no one sees the bride.

Right, because we all know muslims never violate the rules of islam. Minus
the whole thing with Bahrain and Dubai being muslim getaways so they can
drink and chase prostitutes. Or the Saudi royal family being a bunch of
alcoholics. And the incidents where muslims kill innocent people (I keep
hearing that islam forbids the killing of the innocent) in the name of
allah. Or better yet, how about the Suadi religious police enforcing that
fucktarded scarf rule, forcing schoolgirls to burn to death, rather than let
them escape a burning building without their head rags.

That guy Tim also tried to post on my blog, protesting that the young girls were not the brides and that he 'filmed the entire thing'.

I don't have a problem with him noting that from his vantage point, it didn't seem like anything untoward was happening.

I *do* have a major problem with his attempting to apologise and justify Hamas terrorism. These are men who murder fellow PALESTINIANS as well as COUNTLESS ISRAELIS.

Oh, and as for all this 'islamophobia' rubbish - there is no such thing!
http://www.ajewwithaview.com/?p=277

Me again. Our vid report has been out. I am in it, I was there. As for my pro-Muslim bias comment, I shall add it the volumes of vitroil along the lines of 'you are a Zionist puppet', you are a pro Israeli snake' etc. The record mail bag was after the interview with my brother Khalid Mashal -where I displayed remarkable pro Muslim terorrism bais by telling him he was a loser and the Palestinians were loser, I then pandered to his views by saying he sent men to kill small children on buses. Enjoy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6j0P8b_R74 Heres another example of my disgraceful bias in favour of Muslims - with a rant about Zawahiri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYcE4XCKwuE

Btw I dont say I never saw the brides, I was being ironic, when saying maybe I made it up . You say you know Arab culture - how many weddings in the Middle East have you been to? As for the AP - they were perhaps as naive as me, knowing the culture it obv never struck us that anyone would be dumb enough to assume, without any evidence, other than a completely normal photo of what are essentially bridesmaids, that they were child brides. Its a little like seeing a photo of a groom at a Catholic wedding holding hands with a bridesmaid , adding it to the numerous reports about abuse in the church, and assuming hes going to have sex with her that night. Classy.

Tim, I'm not an irrational person. Show me the video and pics of the adult female brides and this will all go away...

I don't need to attend a palestinian wedding to "understand arab culture". Read the daily news, Tim.

Tim:
The ultimate purpose of a woman in Islam is to be a SPERM RECEPTACLE to
her husband in order to SPAWN as many children as she could.Period.
Muslim women,actually,are SUICIDE-BOMBERS's FACTORIES.

In Gaza,women are willingly giving birth to more,in their own words, "MARTYRS",also
known as TERRORISTS.Their AGE doesn't matter,for Mohammad RAPED and SODOMIZED
a 9 year-old girl,Aisha.Muslims are proud to be Mohammad's copycats,therefore they're
prone to do the same abomination.

We are dealing with a society who craves for mass-murder (ours),and GLORIFY this
process.This is the true concept of JIHAD.

If you were being ironic in saying maybe you made it up, you are acting like a fool. Your journalistic standards and credentials are being called into question. Your integrity as a professional is being challenged as grossly inadequate . Your personal honor is at stake. We are all considering the distinct possibility that you are a liar with an agenda of your own , deliberately trying to obfuscate this very curious situation. Where are your pictures of the brides? Whose source are you relying on to say they are elsewhere? What's your source? Where is your proof? You certainly don't expect serious people to take your word for it?
As for your cultural research, you will have to prove now that brides in Gaza do not attend their weddings, but child bridesmaids do attend. You also need to answer for your ignorance of the common practice of "wedding" litle girls to middle aged men. We know about it. What happened to you? Step up to the plate.

Hi Tim,

I've been to several weddings in the Middle East.

I think the issue here is that Hamas are so barbaric, many of us easily could believe that these were child brides. Especially given Mohammed's penchant for young girls...

I'd originally posted the story about the mass weddings - I've removed it from my blog *until* I'm absolutely sure what was happening. I loathe Hamas with a passion, but I still don't want to misrepresent anything.

Also, in defence of the guys here at Infidels - they are totally rational and thus far, I've never found them to misrepresent anything.

I guess the jury is still out re the weddings. We need some pictures of the 'real' brides, whoever they may be...!

Right Tabatha!
And since its not unusual that girls are married as minors in some muslim countries, and since they also find it Ok to even train little boys to hate and kill, why should we expect otherwise?

Google for pics "Children Hamas" or "Children Hizbollah".

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/844073/hamas-s...


and about Mohammad

http://islamgreatreligion.wordpress.com/2009/05...

I'm with you. One child per dude, each one in a wedding dress, and we're supposed to believe that these weren't the 'brides?' Whatever.

David, there's no such thing as a wedding in Islam anyway. Certainly, many Mohammedans go through ceremonies, usually of the mass sort like this, but no basis for this exists in Islam. This was all done for the cameras, hence the 'you're not going to steal our happiness' statement. Hamas is a very strict Wahhabi/Salafi movement. If they do any sort of ceremony like this, especially for a 'wedding,' it's all to show us who they are. And we see it quite clearly. Ordinarily, though, even in the more liberal Islamic paradises the whore purchases (which is what Islamic 'marriage' is: two dudes signing papers regarding the price of the vagina - Islam's term) are conducted without wither in an office in the back room of a mosque or even on the phone with a witness on 3-way.

I have no trouble believing that these are all their nieces and half-sisters.

It would be most excellent to read a translation of the audio of that event. No matter how you slice it, there is something really rotten in that video. Muslims typically do not even have a marriage ceremony as such. Marriage is often more like selling a goat. Bridesmaids? That is not exactly an Islamic tradition either. This needs further investigation.

Well said, Vlad Tepesblog.

Quote: "There’s a lot of dispute on what actually happened at this event. Sky News reporter Tim Marshall, who claims he was at the event, has been going around the net commenting that this wasn’t in fact a mass child bride wedding, but the girls in the pictures are actually the nieces/sisters of the grooms. "

And how is that statement refuting the image? It is well documented fact that marriage remains for the most part within a clan's blood lines . . .cousin marriages maintain familial/tribal/clan wealth.

OMG. DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT?

The real brides CANNOT be shown because they are gonna be newlyweds. So stop asking for proof already. This IS an islamist community to begin with, keep that in mind.
The young nieces and cousins are the ones dancing around and everything BECAUSE THEY CAN. Because they are not of age. Come on, do you think the 450 men would WANT to fuck skinny boobless girls in the first place? You're making it seem as though the men have no feelings.

Hola,cosita hermosa!!

"do you think the 450 men would WANT to fuck skinny boobless girls "

YES.

Why?

Because they're MUSLIMS,therefore PERVERTS who seek to imitate what did that geezer,rufian
of the desert,Mohammad,who,using your own words "FUCKED A SKINNNY,BOOBLESS GIRL".

Her name?
AISHA.

Her age?
NINE.

Islam is the most IMMORAL and DEADLY sect ever invented in Human History.
Justify its bloody deeds is dangerous,naive,stupid and suicidal.

I will assume that, like many others, you're not learned in the Muslim prophet's history, Jewhawk. He married the girl when she was nine. They consummated their marriage when she was 15, which, in those days everywhere in the eastern world, was not out of the norm.

Anyway, this was HAMAS. They don't NEED to lie about the brides or anything. If the small girls were the brides, they'd proudly tell you(/Tim) so and no one could have done anything anyway.

Holá,boquita hermosa...

"He married the girl when she was nine. They consummated their marriage when she was 15"

I beg to differ,mi querida! Check out this link:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbride...

And this:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbride...

Hamas doesn't need to LIE?

But it does.Is a MUSLIM TRAIT.It's called TAQYA...
The evidences prove that muslims breath,eat and drink LIES
24 hours a day,7 days per week,365 days per year.

Mohammad was a CRIMINAL.He created a DEATH-WORSHIPPING sect
that you call "ISLAM".It is the most DESPICABLE stuff on Earth.

hermosa,

"I will assume that, like many others, you're not learned in the Muslim prophet's history, Jewhawk. He married the girl when she was nine. They consummated their marriage when she was 15, which, in those days everywhere in the eastern world, was not out of the norm".
-Your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance. He married her at 6 or 7, and "took her into his house", i.e., a polite way of saying "fucked her", at 9.

We will all assume that you are not learned in the history of mopedo - your poster boy for moral standards.

And I will say to you as I've said to others, do NOT use the "in those days it was ok" argument. For if the koran is the eternal message of allah, and hence timeless and beyond moral relativism, then what was prescribed by mopedo then surely stands for his followers now. If you insist we can't judge mopedo by today's standards, then clearly allah not so ackbar after all!

Far out it's tedious debating moozies. I keep FISH with more intellectual integrity than these primates.

Bullshit, its common knowledge that Eisha was married to Mo at 6 and consumated at 9. Theres even islamic commentaries stating how much Mo loved Eisha even as she was crawling as a toddler. Problem is once islam used to be able to hide its dirty little secrets but since the internet, no more. Its all out there in the open, you cant hide it anymore.

And on topic I dont know the facts whether they were child brides or not. But 2 facts I do know.
1. You dont get to stay in Gaza with your throat intact especially if your a jouno and an infidel if you dont serve the terrorist masters of Hamas. Marshall is clearly as one of them whether through monies or ideology, otherwise he wouldnt be allowed to keep his head.
2. Pedophillia in the arab world is not looked upon as bad on the contrary they can point to text of Mo to show how wonderful and virtuous it is and of course conveniently "sanctioned" by Allah.

Now isnt that a great system do as you please rape pillage and murder and say "God" wills it? Now why didnt I dream that one up.

The Koran is nothing but a Pirates Handbook given over by the Greatest Pupah of Pirates Mohammed.

Methinks, volvi, that perhaps you replied to the wrong person...
;-)

b.hermosa pls watch this clip :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us4jJ650vi8&feat...

Well that was an interesting discussion. Thanks for the link Apostate - I fave'd it and will be pointing many people there.

I love the sheiks justification - apart from the usual "mopedo chopped aisha when she was 9 so it's all good"... The idea that it makes perfect sense to give your 6 year old daughter away in marriage so you can go on a trip somewhere without the inconvenience of having to drag her along is fkng priceless!

It seems it's getting ever clearer to civilised society that the only good moozie is a dead one.

Dear B.hermosa,
I watch the video, and shocked to see it translated and spread through the internet!!
first: LBC channel is a lebanese channel which is not authorised to talk about Islam!
2cnd: it is the first time I see this man talking about Islam, the way he talk, the examples he gave and himself are not logical saying of Islam!
3rd: Myself, as an Arabic and Muslim girl, I don't listen or trust any one talks about Islam, only trusted websites such as :http://www.islamic-invitation.com/ is a trusted and authorised website about Islam.
thank you for your time and the attention you will give to this website.
love, peace and respect
palestinian girl.

you're not learned in the Muslim prophet's history

LOL, sorry, but yes we are...

lol Jewhawk - you crack me up! Yasher koach.

hello b.hermosa,
I am pleased to notice that there are educated people here who have the sight of truth, not just imitating and following others!
PLEASE! Beware of the following websites: www.answering-islam.org www.aboutislam.com www.thequran.com www.allahassurance.com These sites have been developed by Jews . Who Intentionally are spreading wrong information about the QURAN , the HADITH and ISLAM itself.

b.hermosa, all Mohammedans are pedophiles by definition and without exception. 33:21 ensures this. If they're not raping their brain-damaged six-year-old nieces then they must encourage others to do just that at every opportunity. Read your Hadith. Yeah, they necessarily want to screw skinny, boobless children. All of them. By definition.

BAHAHAHA

***"Sure Hamas have cold blooded killers among them, sure they support the murder of children in Israel,sure they are cracking down on women’s rights, but many of their supporters are just ordinary people. And they need a break"***

Was that from Tim The Respected Journalist Marshall? Are you sure he's not a comedian? That's the funniest sentence I've read in a looooong time. That should serve us all as an example of a conceptual oxymoron. Ordinary people who support child murder! AND they need a break! Indeed.....

allahsnackbar Tim you TWIT!

Incidentally, when did this "Tim Marshall" first join this site and why is his profile "unregistered"? Can we be sure THIS Tim Marshall is really THAT Tim Marshall? Or could he perchance be some twit trying to fake some credibility by assuming a journalist's persona?

I don't know for sure, but his first paragraph in the quote in this thread, the one I found hilariously funny in my last post (above?) smacks of AMATEUR! What kind of globe trotting journo would have penned that?

Just wondering out loud...

Sadly, many journalists DO present Hamas as being some disorganised band of young, doe-eyed 'resistance' fighters. So the fact that Tim wrote those things that seek to justify Hamas terrorism doesn't disqualify him as being a reporter :)

The mainstream media seems astonishingly reluctant to accept one basic fact:

Hamas terrorism = Al Queda terrorism

Both Hamas, and Al Queda, were sprawned by the extremist Muslim Brotherhood.

The Hamas Charter cites the Quran.
Hamas has the same end goals as Al Queda.

Sorry Tabitha, but I'm not sure we're on the same point here. I didn't suggest that by writing such things a person is disqualified from being a journalist (although, perhaps they should be!). I do understand that there are journalists sympathetic to Hamas, et al. I was questioning the professionalism of the writing, and hence the validity of our poster's identity.

In the first post I made the observation that asking people to believe that those who support child killers are ordinary people deserving of a break is ridiculous to the point of hilarity. Hardly the sort of writing I'd expect from a bona fide journo with credentials, experience, and a good reputation.

In the second post, again, I wasn't suggesting that Tim Marshall, Sky News, disqualified himself from being a journo. I questioned the identity of the poster. Is this poster, calling himself here Tim Marshall, indeed, as he claims, the very same Tim Marshall of Sky News?

The reasons I questioned the authenticity of this poster's identity, are that 1) the Tim Marshall I have seen on Sky seems infinitely more professional than someone who would pen that paragraph I mentioned, 2) His profile is unregistered and apparently only days old. The point I make is that I would expect someone of the Sky News Tim Marshall's credentials to put more thought into a post he makes regarding such a contentious issue. Would you not agree? Granted, this is what editors are for. But surely a professional, whether in a hurry or not, can edit a few paragraphs of his own work before hitting "post". If I was a journo and I was responsible for that paragraph, I believe I'd hand in my press pass and hide my face in shame. It was, at best, amateurish.

ALLAH -


We're talking about the same thing, though maybe I didn't covey that very well.

I know several journalists who are equally unprofessional at times.

I do take on board your point that this 'Tim' may not be the same Tim who originally posted, though.

Tim said the "brides" were not there. The littles girls were standins or something. So who got married Tim?

Were they married by proxy or what?

Next thing Hamas will snatch him up and demand ransom for Tim.

"But who would you believe, the reporter who went to the event."
The late, great Richard Pryor had a comedy routine that is perfectly relevant here, and the punchline was something on the order of, "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

Here is a story at World Net Daily - Hamas is now denying the 'girls are the brides' interpretation of the video: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI...

Here's more discussion, much mention of Tim Marshall: http://sheikyermami.com/tag/gaza-child-bride-st...

Here's another URL with the Tundra Tabloids that Tim Marshall talked about where they make the point that they are waiting for something more than Mr. Marshall's claims: http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/2009/08/more-...

I saw WND's article. They didn't report anything that we didn't already
know. I'l say it again, if there's video and pics of the actual brides,
then where are they? I'm not trying to push some conspiracy here. Just show
the evidence and this argument will be over.
The perception of the original article and pics would lead any sane and
rational person to believe what we actually saw was true. Now there needs
to be evidence brought forth to explain and debunk, and until then, my
argument stands.

Anyone seen the supposed real brides in the meantime?

no, Tim Marshall claims to have the evidence of the real brides but won't make it public for whatever reason. Probably cause it doesn't exist.

There is little advantage to Tim Marshall being 'on the ground' in Gaza. Even assuming that we're starting off from a baseline of him being open-minded and neutral (a generous and foolish concession when talking about a large number of British journos), his every movement will have been stage-managed by Hamas bouncers.

He'll no doubt have had endless 'victims of the Zionist oppressor/entity' wheeled up to him for inspection - and he'll have been taken to schools, now emptied of the Qassams and mortars (your tax $£€¥s at work) and bursting with bright-faced young Shaheeds and Muslimahs.

He won't see the al-Aqsa TV propaganda, where Saraa Barhoum and various Hamas stooges dressed in imitation Disney costumes spout hatred and open warfare against the infidel kuffar; and, most importantly, those children of apes and pigs the Jews.

Neither will he get to see the Christians in Gaza, nor hear of the abuse that they suffer on a daily basis from Hamas thugs - and speak to the families that had loved ones shot and beaten to death for having the audacity to play music at their wedding.

I'm personally on the fence about the 'child wedding' clip and I didn't cover it. Just my viewpoint, but there is insufficient evidence in the video for me to step down - for now.

But that's not at issue here. We can disagree among friends. We'd be unlikely to get the same latitude in the company of Marshall and his ilk - their reflexive use of that meaningless word 'Islamophobia' and instinctive portrayal of Israel as the aggressor - plus their collective work record to date - indicates that only one viewpoint is valid in their club.

He's bitter because he's threatened - an admixture of professional jealousy from the old media towards these upstart citizen writers, a lot of whom, such as yourself, know much more about Islam and Arab culture than any jobbing reporter - and who more and more people are turning to for unadulterated news with a healthily sceptical viewpoint - and frustration; because he can't counter our arguments effectively and inevitably resorts to lobbing the old liberal grenades of appeal to emotion and ad-hom from his privileged platform; in an attempt to cut short the discussion.

How ironic too, that in his rush to demean bloggers,he appears to forget that he himself is writing from a pale, corporate, me-too imitation of the platform he so clearly despises.

Yes, there are amore than a few bigoted, minds-closed idiots in the blogosphere - but the majority of counterjihad blogs appear to be written by fairly conservative, literate and questioning beings, who do fact-check and who do write objectively and with due regard for evidence.

Studious comment Undhimmi .Tim(here are the facts )Marshall is naive if he takes
the Hamarsoles at face value.
And your last paragraph is my experience entirely.
Join the party mate!

very well said...

The fact that they are cousins or neices doesn't stop them being wives as Muslims very often marry relatives. It seems absurd for grown men to parade with tiny girls dressed in white dresses and made-up for ....well what purpose if not to celebrate their wedding?

Any who read Islam's text, laws , the fine paedophile example of Mohammad, the pronouncements of clerics today who say it's OK to marry children, including one on undercover mosque, and the news leaking from the lovely Islamic world and Islamic enclaves in our countries, know that child marriage is fully endorsed and practiced in Islam.

very interesting 2 read , nowhere u will see this report...show this 2 so called progressive muslims...

Islam has a number of structural problems that are the source of open conflict and warfare. A large part of the problem is that Islam IS political. Islam has an economic system. Islam IS a legal system complete with jurisprudence that goes back 1400 years. Islam has a foreign policy. Islam was designed as a nation-state long before they become common. This alone causes all kinds of problems as loyalty to Islam over ANY government is one of the issues that wars are fought over. (One of the two main issues that triggered the U.S. Civil war was loyalty to the state over the Federal government.)

Please note the number of mid-evil concepts. Such as the reward for jihad being booty. (Which was how armies were paid) Or stoning people to death. In fact, death is a common penalty which demonstrates another fact of the ancient world. Life was cheap. Islam has great difficulty evolving because it is GOD's word. This means that it is perfect. Modern times has placed great strain upon many of it's fundamental concepts. Political Islam has to go and it is fighting organized warfare to prevent this. (I compare this to the good southerners who fought for slavery, or the good Japanese or good Germans who fought for the axis powers in World War II. They are good people who will fight for their way of life.)

Personally, I see the Koran as having been very poorly written. It is organized by the size of the phrases, which is a very simple and disorganized way to group ideas. If God had really supplied this information to us, I think that he would have organized it a hell of the lot better.

all this attenshun tells so much about you purile beasts. Amerikaners are so evil Allah sent his hammer Obamanation to smite you. With submission you learn to love Allah, each hammering will bring you closer closer to love of Allah.

Hey,adolf...you're less than a moron.You're just a LOSER using a computer.

You can find the evidence in the hadiths and the Quran. This is allowed and practiced in muslim countries. Men may give a child as payment for debt, or to try to obtain favors, or maybe he does not want to shell out her support any more. Mothers can not oppose this. Of course women have no say in anything. The wife is not allow to say no to her husband EVER. When you can rape your wife at will, I guess you feel you can do anything to a female, no matter what the age.

For fucks sake. Almost all of you are fucking absolutely ignorant about Islam. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you ? I mean I probably cant even blame you when you've got a propaganda machine like this one and the many other zionist bullshit circulating the net about this situation. STOP ASKING FOR PHOTOS ! There wont be any ! The real brides CANNOT be SEE because they are gonna be newlyweds. Which in a more extreme practiced version of Islam means they cannot be seen. Haaha living in the middle east might actually benefit some of you. When you realize that most middle eastern especially some of the gulf countries practice their religion peacefully and there is no violence or immorality associated with it you'd be suprised. I laugh when I hear that most or all muslims are supposedly terrorists because most muslims living in the middle east have probably never even seen a gun unless theyve been at war like palestine or lebanon. But lets look at the UAE or any of the gulf countries there is no gun violence here. What you see on tv projected to you is the word Islam and killers, terrorists.. thats so ignorant and dumbfounded . Im not even gona keep goin cuz theres no point of arguing with ignorant opinionated racists like some of the people in this chat, yes im talking about you jewhawk, your such a fucking shame to the jewish community dude, ignorant loser. I'd also like to add an uknown fact muslims have nothing against jews but they do have something against zionists and there not the same thing although media and some people from the jewish community who are zionists would like you to think so and will cite examples like the breaking of the glass at their weddings to be in relation with the palestinian homeland that they call rightfully theres.. but there are jews out there who've seen the light and realized that zionism is wrong and not just that, but they are no longer the chosen people which is why Jerusalem will never be peacefully theres, everyone knows how this conflict is gonna play out in the end, they will leave... after enough people on both sides have died..... but when's that gonna be ...

mark,

Why do you say you are not going to go on, but continue on your rant? Also,
if muslims have nothing against Jews, just Zionists, why did the pedophile
Muhammad exterminate the Qurayza Jews? Have you ever lived in a muslim
country? I have. The UAE is a shitbox, built on slave labor and forced
prostitution. There is no gun violence there, just slavery. That makes it a
lot better, right?

As for Jerusalem, that city has ever been of Jewish roots. It was invaded
and conquered by islam, just like the Maghreb, Persia and the Levant. That
is how islam spreads.

Okay, when the the Qurayza jews were in conflict with Muhammed, it was because they were at war. And what are you on about ? I meant muslims today, im talking about the ones who don't read into the media too much and the bullshit in it just like that in western media realized that jews arent the problem but zionists are the major issue. Besides, the Quran clearly states you can marry a christian or a jew. Do you think that would be something permitted if jews are enemies of islam?

Ive lived all over the middle east. From egypt, jordan and have been in the UAE for almost 10 years. Look, your negative perception is obviously fixed on muslim communities and the fact that your not allowing any doubt in your mind on your views and being so adamant is just plain stupidity. Even I'll be the first to say that there are muslims out there who represent islam badly, but to claim that the reality of Islam is pedophilia is dumb. This pedophile Muhammed story thats been circulating through cheap tabloids and has no factual base whatsoever bores me now. Prophet Muhammad did not have sex with Aisha until she reached puberty. Historically child brides as young as 8 were common, not exceptions, among the Byzantine emperors and nobility and they were married but did not consummate. Any book that claims otherwise is simply non-factual since Ive read both the authentic arabic translated bukhari hadeeth and other sources. In medieval europe traditions, law have changed over time. I do agree for someone to decide to marry a 9 year old regardless of sex is strange by today's standards. Now some of you are gonna say that dumb argument about how muslims supposedly must abide by the exact sharee'a islamic law implemented during the prophets time, well thats just simply bullshit. Its true that the holy book of Islam "The Quran" is eternal and could never be changed in its teachings but traditions have evolved. Please find me the verse in the Quran that advises muslims to marry 9 Year olds.

As for the so called slave labor..in Dubai that again is an ignorant statement. What amazes is how people buy into whatever media projects these days in western societies haha, its amusing. I actually met with some of these construction workers who are paid low wages which is true. And here are the facts. They are not slaves. They choose to come to Dubai as they earn so much more than they would back home in India and Pakistan. Yes they are cheap labor but the majority of them dont complain and see it as a blessing that they got the oppurtunity to provide much more for their families although of-course there is a minority that does complain. These are the facts. There's no slavery . what are you on about ? Sure, there's a minor sex trade industry and any slavery that supposedly takes place is no more illegal than it would be in the states or anywhere else. Its not government oriented.
As for Jerusalem even the United States , Israel's long standing ally has seized backing Israel in it's illegal settlement building. Something, I never quite understood about the international community that me and a few british friends of mine were discussing is how can israel as a country actually issue passports-based on religion. The fact that if your of jewish religion you may receive citizenship. I mean islam gets criticized for its strict laws and basically anything these days. But I mean I had a friend visit a certain part of Israel and hes American. He actually was attacked by jews for being there and not being a jew. Dont get me wrong, I feel the same way about the fact that only muslims can enter certain parts of Saudia Arabia but people criticize Saudia for having these laws and call iggnorant where in certain parts of Israel if your not jewish you could get beaten up hahah

"markwilson",you're just another MUSLIM to infest this blog,
pretending to be something else...
Well,I read ALL your rants and I can honestly say that it's
worth the same thing as the H1N1 virus.

Funny how Jerusalem has a HEBREW NAME,isn't it?

Funny how the muslims call it AL QUDS...

Funny how "palestine" isn't an ARABIC term,isn't it?It's
a LATIN NAME,IMPOSED by the ROMAN EMPIRE...

The WHOLE "palestinian cause" is simply BOGUS,INVENTED,
a piece of fiction,whereas the Jewish People has more than
THREE THOUSAND YEARS OF HISTORY linked to that region;

You,sir,are a LIAR,like all muslims who lies through their yellowish,
decaying,rotten teeth to DECEIVE us,the INFIDELS.

But THIS isn't the place of stupid infidels.No,no,no,no...
NOBODY in here will buy your filthy TAQYAS.Go spread
your sewage elsewhere.

Come come, Jewhawk. Don't be so reticent. Why don't you tell us what you really think ...........?

calm down poor man!

First : Beware of the following websites: www.answering-islam.org www.aboutislam.com www.thequran.com www.allahassurance.com These sites have been developed by Jews . Who Intentionally are spreading wrong information about the QURAN , the HADITH and ISLAM itself.
secondly: it is better for you not to use bad words about Islam, be aware, ALLAH will not forgive you!!
Finally: browse the following trusted websites about Islam and Mohammed (may ALLAH peace be upon him): http://www.islamic-invitation.com/ http://www.rasoulallah.net/index_english.asp.


DON'T BE IGNORANT... I KNOW YOU KNOW THE TRUTH BUT YOU ARE HIDING BEHIND YOUR IGNORANCE.

Hey,"palestinian"...Where is your mother now?
Making more SUICIDE-TERRORISTS?

Where is you father (if you know his name,of course)?
Raping little girls?Couldn't wait to do it in your so-called "paradise"?

Where is your sister?
On all fours with a young israeli soldier behind her?Don't worry,he'd
probably be using a condom,an invention that muslims seem to ignore,
because you all proliferate like RATS.

Is it true that your father SOLD four of your other sisters to 70 year-old Egyptian
fishermen?
Yep.Gaza is too close from Egypt.Maybe they brought your crying sisters tied
with thick ropes from their shabby boats...They even could've been RAPED
inside of the boats,in every orifice they got,if you know what I mean.If don't,
ask your mother.She knows EVERYTHING about that! LOL!!


Where are your 18 brothers?


Having sex with a goat?
Cleaning their AK-47's?
Digging another tunnel toward Egypt?
Stealing food from the U.N. warehouse to re-sell later?
Boinking CNN and BBC reporters (both genders) in exchange of "exclusive" material?
Building Qassam rockets in their homes?Ahh,putting NAILS,SCREWS and MARBLES
inside of them,too...how lovely!!

You all STINK,literally.

who are you to say that ... ahaa.... BIG IGNORANT!!

all what you said above mean one thing: I WoN :-)

let your anger kills you with your bad words and bad life!
I can't imagine the way you talk,live, deal with people and in this world!! it is strange that some people agreeing with you!
..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
no more time to waste!!

Here comes a candle to light you to bed.
and here comes a Mullah to chop off your head!
It is the Islamic way.
The usual threadbare nonsense Palestinian!
And just repeat to youself "Allaah is fiction!Allah is fiction!
Use your obvious (but tunnel visioned )intelligence and imagine the wonderful world without the baleful influence of that idiotic
enslaving ideology which corrupts your thinking!
Here's a question! Show this website to one of your so called scholars!
Would he(not much chance of a she)castigate you for reading
such "free opinion"
But don't put your life at risk.

"Here comes a candle to light you to bed.
and here comes a Mullah to chop off your head!"
Very witty, HSB! :)

And sadly very true dear Christine for those benighted souls saddled with the yoke of Islam!
It is the Islamic way!

I support your suspicion JH.
If (as his name suggests) he is someone of western culture;then he's the first non muslim? to support the unsupportable.

All the ones I've met think that the world of Islam is a mad house.
( I mean of course people like Kal who know the score)
Mark I think you're a phoney??
Do tell!

MARK:

For crying out loud, read the entire Quran - 'cause it sure looks like you haven't bothered to do that. Jews and Christians never rise above 'dhimmi' status in Islam and Islamic countries. That is *fact*.

And re Israel:

There are no 'illegal settlements'. Israelis are entitled to build anywhere that is *in* Israel. If America doesn't like that - TOUGH.

Isn't it amazing, that you'll be the first to insist that Palestinian Arabs must have the right to live in Israel BUT you're also among the first to accept that any new Pal Arab state would ban all Jews - just as JORDAN does. Where is your righteous anger over that, then...?
http://www.ajewwithaview.com/?p=422

And no, Israel doesn't 'issue passports based on religion'. People of ALL faiths can and do live in Israel as full Israeli citizens.

Yes, Jews if they want can have automatic citizenship - but you'll find a number of other nations ALSO grant that on the basis of ethnicity. No Jews are allowed to live in Arab nations - again, where is your righteous anger over THAT?

Nobody gets beaten up in Israel for not being Jewish. This is pitiful 'proof' - you don't back it up with any links or facts or names or places or dates.

Unlike you, I've LIVED in Israel.

"point of arguing with ignorant opinionated racists like some of the people in this chat, yes im talking about you jewhawk, your such a fucking shame to the jewish community dude, ignorant loser. "

First of all,I can't be a "racist" for hating "islam",for it is NOT a race.It's a DEATH-SLOBBERING CULT,
therefore I can't be accused of being "racist" at all.

I'm definitely NOT a "shame" to the Jewish Community.Au contraire.Some of them actually share
my kind,warm,lovely thoughts about the plague called "islam".

Am I an "ignorant loser"?Really?
I accept your criticism.I take no offense about that,specially coming from a member of
the above-mentioned DEATH-WORSHIPPING cult,that are mostly ILLITERATE.Those
who aren't, ONLY read the unholy "Qu'ran",like those ZOMBIES in the madrassas.

"that zionism is wrong "
It's a matter of opinion.Nevertheless is the most VICTORIOUS movement in the 20th
century...
In 1897,Theodor Herzl told his folowers that " A Jewish State will be a reality,not now,
but within the next 50 years..."
He was quite right.
50 years later,the Jewish Dream came TRUE.

Was it a mere coincidence?

WHO'S A LOSER?

I'm a WINNER.Israel is a powerful reality.Jerusalem IS our DE FACTO and indivisible capital.

You are the loser.You've got NOTHING but ticks and lice in your body,a "palestinian" flag on
your left hand while scratching your ass with the right one.Your existence reeks of rotten eggs
and tomatoes.Watch your ugly face at your mirror and you're gonna see a REAL LOSER.

You know what dude. Im actually not a muslim but whatever I really wouldn't be ashamed to be called one. Im not going to continue to explain to you that you are most simply put a racist. Yes, islam is a religion. But you associate people who are of Islamic faith as uneducated, "got lice in their body" and who supposedly make up lies so to me that is definitely creating a stereotype that politely put isn't true and is racist to arabs and muslims. Furthermore, I find it ironic that you said islam is not a race but a cult (a religion) but lets set aside for a minute. So hold on, you don't think the fact that jews are allowed to apply for citizenship to the state of Israel based on their religious background a little strange ? I mean how backwards is it that someone gets a passport for a country based on what religion they believe in. This isn't just backwards but wrong. Imagine how the world would react if arab countries were to hand out passports to muslims for being muslims hahah, it seems to be that the state of Israel regards jews as a race not a religion which brings me to the point can you be racist when insulting a religion especially if that religion groups itself as a nation ? hmmm.
Now, regarding Zionism on it being wrong or right it is a matter of opinion I strongly agree with you . I also strongly agree with the fact zionism is one of the most victorious movements regardless of its methods being morally acceptable or not ahem.. propaganda like that of Hitler's ahem through media chanells..ahem..
anyways dude, im sure no matter what the hell i say youll still be a dumb fuck.. so enjoy the rest of your so called popular beliefs on the peaceful religion. But dont get me wrong there are extremists in every religion. Just like the the crazy over protective jews that my friend got attacked by on a visit to israel when they realized he wasnt jewish. He was just walking down the street and got attacked by a bunch of jews hahah.. when he told me I was laughing. He was miraculously saved by Israeli security forces but you see the difference between me and you is Im never gonna say those few jews represent the jewish nation since ive met many jews and befriended them and realized whats portrayed in the media is not the accurate truth when projecting a religious nation but your never gonna figure it out. You will probably never even amount to anything in your life with all that retarded and kind of bullshit hate you have. It can be compared to the nazis and the german community's hate for jews in the second world war due to the fact that Adolf Hitler was intelligent enough to figure out that the tool of propaganda may help him capture the support of his community. Israel has continued to do so so as well creating iggnorant subject media infected minds like yourself who believe everything they read and see. We all know how this is gonna play out. Jerusalem will never be rightfully yours because you are no longer the chosen people, your sins are too great and many jews share that belief who know that zionism is nothing more than a fictional belief that will never be completely and successfully realized. Jerusalem will never be the capital of Israel. The international community knows it. By the way, your long standing ally The U.S doesn't even support your illegal setllement building anymore cuz even theyve seen the light. Your probably gonna make some racist comment about obama now being a jew hater arab lover hahhah iggnoarant people are so predictable

"Jerusalem will never be the capital of Israel. The international community knows it. "

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel,whether you like it or not.It's a fait accompli.
You can CRY or WAGE WAR to conquer the city.Losing the city in battle would be
acceptable to me.To capitulate without a fight,is not.


"So hold on, you don't think the fact that jews are allowed to apply for citizenship to the state of Israel based on their religious background a little strange ?"

Nope.Israel's raison d'etre is to gather all Jews from around the world,under one single national
flag,national anthem,currency,language,army and society.
Before Israel we were a NATION without a STATE.Now we've got BOTH.Nevertheless,20% of its
population is muslim,who enjoys more political rights than any of its brethren in the Middle East.
If you think it's "backward" I've got no reason to complain,but please,compare Israeli society with
its neighbors and you'll see who wins the "backwardness contest".

The rest of your rather tiresome post is riddled with falsehoods,which obviously,you can't prove.

President Hussein:

Strangely enough,I actually LIKE President Hussein and his lovely family.I DISAGREE with
his POLICIES,though.To diss someone because of his skin's color is OFFENSIVE and,yes,
RACIST,which is considered a CRIME here in Brazil.
Mr.Hussein's election was a great achievement,therefore I wish him no harm at all.Is he
pro-arab?
YES.
So were former presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy.
It's his leftist ideology,that oddly enough,feel comfortable supporting the most
vicious regimes in the world,in detriment of Israel.I won't judge him.
History will.


Sinful People:

"your sins are too great "
Sure.We,Jews,are not different than anyone else.We never claimed to be perfect, saints,righteous,
handsome,polite,easy going,clever,etc.

Media:

"infected minds like yourself who believe everything they read and see."

That's not an accurate remark,sir.I double-check carefully almost everything I
read.
Is my mind "infected"?
If that is your opinion,it's ok with me.

Er, hello?

Jerusalem *is* the capital of Israel.

Israel doesn't need permission from the international community. And you should note that Jews were the MAJORITY in Jerusalem before Islam even EXISTED.

zionism = support for Israel's right to EXIST

I bet you support the right to exist of the 22 MUSLIM states, right?

And clearly, you don't even understand what 'chosen people' MEANS. You're making an utter fool of yourself.

Judaism says that ALL humans are EQUAL.
All faiths are 'chosen' - just for different roles.

Grow up and get over yourself.

Judaism maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. This has been the majority rule since the days of the Talmud. Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d that we do and those who follow the tenets of their religions can be considered righteous in the eyes of God. Jewhawk is an extremist and a non follower of the true jewish faith.

"Jewhawk is an extremist and a non follower of the true jewish faith"

I'm 100% Jewish...and damn proud of that privilege.
you see,I could trace my ancestors back to 17th century
Germany,and ALL of them were Jews,therefore I'm a
Jew.

"Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d "

Christians indeed worship Israel's God.Muslims DON'T.
The entity called "allah" is something else.

"There is no god but Allah" (The Shia Shahada,the declaration of faith)

If someone agrees with you,that's their problem.I don't mind.

Am I an "extremist"?
Really?
Because I'm not politically correct?
Because I love freedom of speech?
Because I don't buy your Taqyah?
Because I don't agree with you?
Because I hate Islam and have the nerve to speak out about it?

"The Jews are the sons of monkeys and pigs (5,60)"Koran
Should I be GRATEFUL to this?

Or this?

"[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Hahaha call me a phony if you'd like to man. Got no problem with it. If your sense of logic cant accept the fact that a non muslim can support Islam thats your mentality. You'd be suprised how much of the western community is actually educated enough to detest the Israeli hostility. I think the issue here is I've actually befriended muslims and arabs. Ive also travelled around the globe and interacted with people who have different belief systems. I have jewish friends and we dont even have the same exact point of view about every single issue related to this never ending conflict but how I do I put this there just not ignorant really hahah theyve also seem to have travelled about the middle east and the globe instead of watching everything off their tv set in Tel Aviv...haaha so the issue here is iggnorance as ive said repeatedly now. Arabs are not terrorists. Islam does not tell them that Jews must be exterminated etc get over it. lol

Anyway to THE VERSES !!!! WOOHOO ....(Long Pause) NOOOOOOOOT! (Sacha baron cohen is, my favorite jewish comedian :P)
Im so tired over explaining this verse that your ignorance numbs me a little no offense ofcousre :-). That verse is often quoted to show that Islam is intolerant.
5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Quran is a complete book of guidance and while studying various issues it should be kept in mind that a particular issue may be discussed over several chapters or several verses in the same chapter. A complete understanding can only be achieved by understanding the whole issue as presented over all the verses and chapters and not by looking at only part of the Quran. God specifically warns us against doing just that, upholding part of the Quran while disregarding the rest.

.. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do you reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life? - and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For God is not unmindful of what ye do. (Quran 2:85)

To understand the issue of Jews, Christians or people of any other faith, we have to study all the concerned verses from the Quran collectively.
Lets look at some other verses about this issue. The following two verses regulate relations with any people, regardless of faith:

As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran 60:8)

God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers! (Quran 60:9)

From the above verses, we learn that muslims are only discouraged from befriending those who fight Muslims because of their religion. Now let's go back to the verse immediately after 5:51, to see if it sheds some further light on the issue.

And yet you can not see how those in whose hearts there is disease vie with one another for their good will (the hostile Jews and Christians), saying [to themselves], "We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster." But God may well bring about good fortune [for the believers] or any [other] event of His own devising, whereupon those [waverers] will be smitten with remorse for the thoughts which they had secretly harboured within themselves- (Quran 5:52)

During the time of the Prophet when the Jews and Christians were in open conflict with the Muslims, there were some Muslims who were more concerned about maintaining there alliances with the Jews and Christians at the expense of the Muslim community. The above verse is referring to such situations where Muslims with doubts in their hearts will ally themselves with the enemy.

Chapter 5 Verse 57 of the Quran makes it clear again, who are not to be taken as friends; O you who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but remain conscious of God, if you are (truly) believers. (Quran 5:57)

God teaches us throughout the Quran that there are righteous Jews and Christians. As such there is no prohibition for Muslims to be friends with Jews, Christians or people of any other faith who are of good character.

Quranic verses referring to the righteous Jews and Christians:

Verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians - all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve. (Quran 2:62)
Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (Quran 3:113-114)

And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book, those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God. They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. (Quran 3:199)


Some assert that expressions in the Qur'an regarding Christianity and Judaism are very sharp. Great care should be taken when approaching this subject. There is a rule in tafsir (Qur'anic commentary): In order to conclude that a verse refers to a particular people, it must be established both clear and historically that the verse in question refers to them exclusively. Approaching the matter from this angle, the verses condemning and rebuking the Jews and Christians are either about some Jews and Christians who lived in the time of the Prophet Muhammad or their own Prophets, such as Moses and Jesus, or those who deserved such condemnation because of their wrong beliefs or practices. For example, at the beginning of Surat al-Baqara, after praising the believers for some of their praiseworthy attributes and acts, the Qur'an says: Surely, the unbelievers: it is the same whether you warn them or not, they will not believe. God put a seal on their hearts and ears, and over their sight is a veil. For them is a mighty torment. (2:6) This verse is about, first of all, stubborn unbelievers who lived during the Prophet's lifetime and insisted on unbelief. The Prophet, the Companions, and the unbelievers themselves knew who was meant. In the second degree, it includes all unbelievers, regardless of time or place, who show the same type of resistance against the enlightening rays of the Qur'an. So, the sharp criticism of the Jews and Christians is, first of all, about those whom the relevant verses refer to directly, and others of the same attitude. It is not definite that they pertain to all Jews and Christians from that time until now.

The Quran does not after the individual Christian and Jews, the Qur'an goes after wrong behavior, incorrect thought, resistance to the truth, creation of hostility, and non-commendable characteristics. The Bible contains even stronger statements against the same attributes. Even if the expression seem sharp to some, immediately after appropriate warnings and threats come very gentle words to awaken hearts to the truth and to plant hope in them. In addition, the Qur'an's criticism and warning regarding some of these attitudes and behaviors of non-Muslims also were made about Muslims whose faith did not prevent them from engaging in the same behavior. Both the Companions and expounders of the Qur'an agree on this matter.

Religions are meant to unite people separated by misunderstandings. Islam and Orthodox Christianity have many common aspects and few differences. Both believe in God, Prophets, angels, the afterlife, and holy books. All Muslims believe in Jesus and the Virgin Mary. Many moral and legal principles are the same. Thus, any conflict between these two religions is due to misunderstanding or exploitation for political or other purposes. The Qur'an states: Come, let's unite on a common word: worshipping God, not assign Him any partners. Abandoning Him, some of us should not make Lords some among us over others. In this call, a matter that causes division is mentioned and a warning is given: Don't leave God due to misunderstandings or other reasons, and be wary of those who use religion to divide people. When there are hundreds of common bridges between us, it is a mistake to emphasize a few differences.

The following verse from the Quran capsulates this issue:

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other (not that you may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (Quran 49:13)

So have you learnt anything new ? I doubt it. Even if you did you'd deny it till your last breath and go on with your propaganda. You know what ? It just hit me, that if your really passionate about your views. Then I cant say its your fault because that means you actually buy into it, the same way Germans did in the second world War when Filmmaker Reni Stahl produced a documentary demonstrating hitlers views on other races and the many posters going around with the most absurd assumptions about how jew are under-evolved as a race of people etc It was all bullshit but the german community passionately supported Adolf in the same manner your supporting your government's supposedly authentic media. ahah

" Im actually not a muslim but whatever"

Yes,you are!!


You are just another filthy MUSLIM,possibly the same one who
invade this blog changing his nickname every time.
"SHUKRY"

"MUSLIM2009"

"palestinian"


It's a whole ZOO.

Go back to the desert,Ahmed.I won't waste my time with something
so IMBECILE like yourself.

Shove your Taqyia up your ass,muslim moron.

It's Reni Liefenstahl Mark!
You are suggesting that we are all victims of "propaganda"distributed here by a plethora of independent
reports from allover the world and that we've all been misled?
The verse from the terrorist manual capsulates(sic)that your
mythical sky man is omniscient???I don't believe in mythical monsters!
Your point that different religions bind their adherents is too silly for words(after millenia of interfaith war);and the current crop of muslim madmen are still murdering infidels(and Muslims)
because of their jaundiced feeling of religious piety!
Wrong behaviour????
You mean anybody who disputes the idiotic dogma of the Koran?
Your turgid prose indicate that you are not an Engkish speaker;
because if you are, your education is seriously lacking!
And your assertion that Sacha Baron Cohen is your favourite comedian is laughable(his next alter ego is Mustafa Shaq)).
How does that sit with you?
Idon't know what you smoke but let us know your dealer.
So that we can warn our wayward children,
Mark Wison indeed ;more like Abdul Al Fuckwit.
And please refrain from boring us rigid with quotes from Mein Koranf.
Please return to Mars on the Mo's next space donkey!
This blog is for adults not for fairy story believers!
Start by dumping your daft deity and common sense might follow.
All this apparent communication with supernatural entities
by historical mountebanks (of any colour or creed) is simply
nonsense .
I can live peacefully with Theists who are non threatening and perform good works;but good deeds performed by Muslims
are in rather short supply.
Murder and mayhem are their hallmarks.

If you guys know anything about Islam, then you know that If I was a muslim I could never deny it or I would be damned to hell. Snackbar, i was just re-reading your post and realized your actually english probably a wanna be scholar whose actually a chav with your close minded comments. Some of my best friends are english but none of them have an ounce of your obvious dumb founded beliefs. Most likely because they left their little towns in warrington or liverpool and decided hey ! maybe we can actually start judging Entire societies after we've had some actual interactions with them that go beyond a dirty stare or two ! Your probably one of those racist daft cockney pathetic twats. As my friend used to say simply put" your a tossa" innit ? :P hahaha

Actually, islam sanctions lying in order to further its own advance. It's
called taqqiya (also spelled takeyah). Do some research. Learn.

And why do you cry about being insulted, then turn around and insult
Hellosnackbar, calling him a tossa?

lol, you complain about being "insulted" but do nothing but make personal insults...joke's on you half-tard

Markwilson, it would be enormously helpful if you would write your seeming nonsense in English. There must surely be a 13 year-old living close by who could assist you to compose your entertaining contributions to this site.

I really don't get what your on about ? Maybe none of you here are native speakers of English, cuz Im speaking loud and clear to if ya'll dont understand me then you must be subhuman or retarded if not both. I love how you call me ignnorant, well the feeling is mutual dude. Anyways, we all know how this is all going to end. Jerusalem will never be recognized nationwide as the capital of Israel. Your settlements are illegal, a zionist nation has no future.

Oh and suck my big fat Lebanese American Dick peace out :P

markwilson,I have perused your agonising posts and after much meditation have managed to extract the following amount of reasoned and considered argument from them.
"big fat Lebanese American Dick".

"Jerusalem will never be recognized nationwide as the capital of Israel. Your settlements are illegal, a zionist nation has no future" (FILTHY MUSLIM)

Israel achieved its existence MANU MILITARI,therefore only by military means the MUSLIM PLAGUE could lay their claws on Jerusalem again;
Honestly,ask yourself how easy would that be...
As for recognition,I don't care at all,for I don't recognize the legitimacy of
A) "jordan"
B) "kuwait"
C)"saudi arabia"
D) "palestine"
E)"syria"
F)The United (Islamic) Nations for having allowed 57 filthy muslim states as
its members.

Yes.ZIONIST NATION has a future,specially when this nation is ARMED TO THE TEETH with every kind of ordnance known ny mankind,whereas you,filthy muslims, DON'T.

Now,you can SHIVER,CURSE,FART,MOAN,CRY and PRAY for that DEMON,ALLAH,to take your miserable soul to HELL,where your ilk truly belong.

"Oh and suck my big fat Lebanese American Dick " (FILTHY MUSLIM)

I can't do that because it's already "busy" INSIDE your mother's orifice!! LOL!!!

MARK:

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Whether or not every other nation on earth agrees or not doesn't change anything. Only ISRAEL gets to decide what the ISRAELI capital is.

And as for the 'zionist nation' having 'no future' - lol lol lol. Pick up a newspaper.

Israel is leading the world in terms of coming out of the recession. Israel leads the world in terms of much medical and technological research and innovations.

And no Israeli 'settlements' are 'illegal'.

Pick up a history book.

It was once common in every country for parents to marry off their children to their satisfaction before the kids were of age. If you know anything about Islam, the brides would never be paraded, or be holding hands with the grooms in public or show their hair in front of men.

The Al Jazeera clearly states that the women did not take part in the fun, whereas in the footage you can see the little girls between the dancing suits and earlier, taking part in the public parade. The children are flower girls and are clearly relatives of the men as they are skipping and seem happy, not at all like young girls torn from their moms against their will and married off to some hairy bloke they never before.

They are brides' maids. They aren't allowed to parade the bride in front of everyone the day before the wedding, which is why you don't see any adult brides.

If you watch the video carefully you will see that not every groom has a "child bride" with him, they are walking alone. Would they be there without their bride, or would they ALL be there without their brides?

The video is real - but what people have written about it is mostly wrong -
The children in the video are younger sisters or cousins of the Bride !!!! You could call the Brides Maides... LOL some people are so ignorant!!!
The young girls are wearing gowns similar to the bride as this is in there custom to do so -
Obviously most people who are active on this forum would not believe me unless they actually speak to the young ladies themselves LOL so ignorant !!!
thanks - Sure, i will tell you - im glad you have not fallen for this blatant attempt to demonise muslims !! may peace be upon you

If you need proof and dont want to travel to the open prison called Gaza to aks the kids themselves ok -
check out these links :
Just goes to show how certain people manipulate pictures/information to suit there EVIL needs !!!

FROM BBC website - YOU CAN SEE PICTURE OF THE ACTUAL BRIDES AS ITS OBVIOUS THEY ARE YOUNG WOMEN/ADULTS !!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/47...

FROM NYTIMES : Bless the little girls it fills me with joy to see them enjoing themselves, no doubt they are used to seeing death and misery around them in the outdoor prison they call GAZA - i pray that they live long lives and are not affected by Israels wicked actions against them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/world/middlee...

If you want more proof or information on this event please ask me !!! or if you would like me to take you to GAZA to interview the young girls yourself ?? even then you wont beleive them as like i have stated previously you have a very ignorant conditioned mind WAKE UP G !!!!

Peter, thanks for your comments -
peace be upon you

Here is a closer look at this video, in slow motion where appropriate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ct3l2L2hwE

It doesnt supprise me that there is so much bias in this post, it just upsets me that the lengths people would travel to be so rude and well frankly disgusting!
Its a fact of life that there will come a time when we will die and no matter how hard some of you reject this, but we will all be judged by the fairest Judge (S.W.T.) on the day of ressurection.
Why is it that you hate islam ... do you know what the religion even teachs what islam even means, when it started?!
Islam is "submission to the will of God S.W.T" what is wronge with that?!

And we believe that the Qur’an, isthe word of God (S.W.T.) revealed to His last and final prophet, Mohammed (peace be upon him). Islam states that Allah sent messengers and prophets throughout the ages with the message of Unity of God, and accountability in the Hereafter. Therefore it is part of every muslims faith to believe in all the earlier prophets, starting with Adam, and continuing with Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, John and Jesus amongst many others (may peace be on them all).

oh boy, here we go. Another lunatic descends upon IAC to spew more hate for
anyone having a negative opinion about Islam. Wake up dude, you're living a
LIE.

Why don't you read all the archive here Chilly 90;then you'll understand that we have no respect for Allah the useless (a figment of psychomo's imagination.
Respect is a function of earned credibility and Islam has NONE whatsoever!
There you go stomping around believing the impossible and whining about what we infidels say about your risible death cult;and then waxing lyrically about Allah(S.H.I,T) as though she was real.
The angel Gabriel with 700 wings???
And finally your respect for a child molesting illiterate desert psychopath(with a convulsion problem) lauded by brain dead Muslims as the perfect man blessed by Allah the God he invented in his maniac mind.

Islam as a faith is based on myth ,fantasy and subservience to the same.
Your belief perversion is your problem;thankfully it's not mine or that of the"free speech"champions here!

SWT? Are you a spokesman for SouthWEST Trains? Because, frankly, those are some nice trains! Though I personally prefer the Bombardier Electrostar Class 350. They are nice... But I must admit, I had a blast with the 444!

Soooo nice!

Oh, you mean...SWT as meaning something to do with the pedophile? Dude... I know how islam started, do you?