Jordan Honor Killing: 3 men stab sister to death because of “bad reputation”

Here's something to ponder....... someone please fill me in if I'm mistaken........there don't seem to be any "exploding Muslim populations" (that I've heard of) in China...... or Russia....... is it because that crap won't be put up with there?

EXPLODING Muslims populations!! Was that deliberate? ROFLMAO.

ROFL!!! No no I didn't plan that! But now that you called me on it, I can't stop giggling every time I read my post! :-D Just a comic bonus of my thought process I guess!

HOW SHOCKING :

Up to 64,000 women in UK 'are child-sex offenders'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/oct/04/u...

and yes Beejj tha above has been copy/pasted you doughnut !!!! lol

That's pretty off topic.......but eeewwww!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/...

France considers chemical castration for sex offenders .... lol

should make this a universal law !!

If it were made universal law, a lot of Muslim little girls would sleep easier at night.

Gee,islam786, if only your father were chemically castrated BEFORE
he were horny enough to impregnate that muslim mare...

The world would have a more breathable air today!

"lol".

In the Bible and the Quran

if u read and interpret a sentence a phrase a certain way, u have a reason, to rape, enslave kill... just about anything

the only difference between the Muslim Christians and the Jews, that the Muslims STILL do it

We came to our senses and only interpret the good,m for the most part at least lol
We modernize, dare I say it, we became civil

I wonder how long before Islam joins the Group, probably quite a while
But more realistic at the rate of their fertility rate and immigration to the western world...... Shariah world in 2100
Europe is on its way, USA it showing the first same sign of tolerances to Muslim bullshit such as allowing Muslim cab driver to say "no i wont drive u" to drunken passenger that will lead up to legalize man to have multiple wifes for Muslim men only of course, such as in Germany

Shit, even here in Brazil, Islam was non existent, 10 years ago, now we have 1 million, 90% of them immigrants... paying to help them out, giving them houses, building mosque while knowing the people already IN THE COUNTRY are the ones needing help

In the Bible and the Quran

if u read and interpret a sentence a phrase a certain way, u have a reason, to rape, enslave kill... just about anything

the only difference between the Muslim Christians and the Jews, that the Muslims STILL do it

We came to our senses and only interpret the good,m for the most part at least lol
We modernize, dare I say it, we became civil

I wonder how long before Islam joins the Group, probably quite a while
But more realistic at the rate of their fertility rate and immigration to the western world...... Shariah world in 2100
Europe is on its way, USA it showing the first same sign of tolerances to Muslim bullshit such as allowing Muslim cab driver to say "no i wont drive u" to drunken passenger that will lead up to legalize man to have multiple wifes for Muslim men only of course, such as in Germany

Shit, even here in Brazil, Islam was non existent, 10 years ago, now we have 1 million, 90% of them immigrants... paying to help them out, giving them houses, building mosque while knowing the people already IN THE COUNTRY are the ones needing help

migueljs16 -

the only difference between the Muslim Christians and the Jews, that the Muslims STILL do it -
WHAT ??
Can you please open your eyes - People all over the world rape/sexually abuse women/men/children.
Including muslims/christians/jews.
There has recently been some Christian priests in IRELAND that have raped young boys hundreds of them !!!

check this link out :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse...

Does this mean ALL CHRISTIANS ARE RAPIST ?? NO !!!!
You have a conditioned mind please open you eyes - and please dont be so ignorant and easily lead by evil people.

peace be upon you...

islam786, MUSLIM LIAR,you know very well that YOUR damned sect CONDONES
pedophilia,whereas Christianism and Judaism do not.


Don't you realize that unless you,MUSLIM ORCS,don't REFORM
the Qur'anus by SANITIZING it from vulgarities,threats,hatred incitement,
pedophilia and orgy as a reward in paradise for MURDERERS and all sort
of DEBAUCHERY,your damned cult will be feared and hated?

Even a politically correct reporter couldn't get wrong this terrible murder.No
excuses could be made.No rational explanation could be given.

Was it a common murder?

Here in Brazil hundreds of women are murdered each year,many by their own
husbands.

THE DIFFERENCE:

Nobody here in Brazil who commits such murders against women justify
what they did based upon the Bible.None of them.If one does,he doesn't go to
jail,but to the madhouse...

The muslim males say that they're simply OBEYING their "holy" book,
the Qu'ran.The same book encourage muslims to kill infidels as a mean
to go to "paradise".

One doesn't need to be a genius to conclude that the Qu'ran is the
de facto GROUND ZERO of 99% of all terrorism that frighten the world
today.

This is a FACT.It proves that muslims will always be a mortal threat
to anyone non-muslim,since muslims are not able or eager to modify
the most lethal chapters written in the Qu'ran or Hadiths.
No change = More terrorism

JEWHAWK -
You have a ignoarant conditioned mind - Where does it say they did this in the name of the Quran ? You have assumed there muslims because they are in Jordan !!
I can assure they are not Muslim and they have practised a very old tradition to protect there family (tribe) honor.
Personally i find this shocking and sick and twisted - how 3 brothers can kill there sister i do not know and i am sure they will burn in hell for this wicked action. My prayers are for the poor girl may god bless her soul.

[Quran 6:151] "...... You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."

[Quran17:33] "You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. ....."
[Quran 5:32] "......, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. .............."

peace be upon you

'I can assure they are not Muslim'

No,you can't.


'Personally i find this shocking and sick and twisted '

Curiously this is actually my feeling about your deathly sect.


'My prayers are for the poor girl may god bless her soul.'

Your prayers to Satan aren't gonna help her.You also can't
pronounce God's name,for you worship another entity called
"Allah".They aren't the same.There is only ONE God,the God
of Israel.The rest is nothing but cheap imitation or,your case,a
brazzen attempt to DECEIVE someone less informed.


"You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice"

So Bin Laden JUDGED America "GUILTY" and punished it accordingly on 9/11,isn't it?
Again,don't you DARE to speak God's name.The devilish entity you happen to adore
isn't God,but Allah.I do hope you could've noticed that here in this blog NOBODY is
eager to buy your LIES.We are VACCINATED against the Muslim Taqyia Virus.


BLOOD is upon you.

lol -

"LOL"...( islam786)
What a complex answer.
Are your few neurons on STRIKE?

Islam 786, you can "lol" for all your worth, but ever since I exposed you as a cheap plagiarist you have become strangely silent on this site: your insane contributions have dramatically and suddenly decreased. Quite right, too. I had not realised until HSB enlightened me, that you converted to Islam. If I assume you took this step (the equivalent of volunteering for a lobotomy) without coercion, I am bound to conclude that something of an alarming nature must have befallen you. But perhaps you are simply one of life's losers who discovered that in the Islamic world your intellectual failings would be overlooked - indeed valued! How secure you must now feel. No need to think anymore. Just be a Strasbourg goose and swallow whatever you are force-fed by your similarly afflicted brethren and that vile book. Shut your eyes and ears to the great philosophers and devotedly tread the path ordained by history's greatest scoundrel. Let him think for you. There! Isn't that nice and easy?

I do not expect you to understand this, but perhaps the most potent quality of the human mind is its capacity to DOUBT. It is what drives science and philosophy and gives impetus to human advancement. Faith achieves nothing, but doubt conquers all. Faith leads to mental torpor: it is a throwing-in of the towel; a surrender; a cowardly acceptance of the comfort zone; a sure recipe for stagnation. Doubt fosters exploration and the search for truth. Doubt refuses to accept truth at face value. It questions and searches and seeks weakness. Doubt is the eternal enemy of smugness, so it is an insatiable mistress who drives its devotees remorselessly forwards to further triumphs. Doubt is progress. Faith is brain death.

You have chosen to become a willing victim of a toxic faith. You will live the remainder of your life in an intellectual desert.

Beejj - I have commitments in the real world - sadly i cannot log onto this website "everyday" to educate hate mongers.
You have no idea what faith is thats why your not afraid of loosing. !! lol
Do you think an athlete whos main odjective is to WIN has faith (in themselves, there equipment, there coach?)
You have just exposed yourself lad...

peace be upon you

Plagiarist 786: You say you have commitments in the "real world". I presume that is the non-Islamic world - the world in which sanity strives to prevail and in which reason and logic triumph over ancient superstition. Do you feel comfortable in such a world? Does the sight of women wearing other than the sacks prescribed for poor Muslim women not drive you to lustful thoughts, causing you to look upon them as sluts because of the heat in your loins? Who is the slut? You or them? Do you return home each evening to a safe refuge free from temptation? Does the sight of female flesh in your workplace cause your head to spin? Look at that girl's cleavage! Look at her knees! See how her skirt hugs her bottom! Look at those posters advertising women's underwear! Allah will hate you for enjoying the sight of his creation. Naughty Allah! As Milton might have put it, you guys are fucked in the head. The "real world" must cause you so much suffering. Why don't you seek refuge in the unreal world of a strict Islamic state? Would you ever contemplate such a thing? The sight of all those mobile potato sacks you call women would soon chill your loins. Enjoy.

Plagiarist 786, I am surprised to hear from you again. Have you no shame? I have no idea what faith is? Wrong, thief of other people's words, I know exactly what it means and what it costs and its stultifying effects.

It makes me smile when I read your very own literary contributions to this site, as distinct from those you steal from other sources while pretending to be the author. You see, your own work is fraught with grammatical howlers. We can all be guilty of the occasional typographical lapse, but your astonishing ignorance of English, even at the most basic level, is almost a work of art. Consider the tripe you just wrote, for example: anyone might type "odjective" for "objective", but what kind of cretin cannot differentiate between "their" and "there", let alone "whos" (sic) and "whose"?

I have just exposed myself? Oh, you sad little Muslim ignoramus.

Beejj - seems to me my spelling mistakes are irritating you ?
Is this all you can pick up on? so child like Beejj - grow up....

islam786,have you noticed that nobody likes you?

Do you reallly feel any support for your satanic faith
in this blog?

Why do you INSIST?

Do you reckon that your Quranic explanations and justifications will impress ANYONE?

Really?

Do you think that you can OUTWIT Beejj?
Please...You'd need a BRAIN TRANSPLANT
for that.

You are a bold,fresh piece of IMBECILITY.

All I can pick up on??????? Can't you understand the written word? You, Plagiarist 786, are a buffoon.

A thousand likes Beej!--
And Bronwen "doubt is the friend of truth"is a beautiful metaphor for science!
I'm chinking glasses with you,

OFF TOPIC.

HSB, an Australian woman has just won the Nobel Prize for Physiology/Medicine. Her name is Elizabeth Blackman. Isn't that wonderful? By the way ..... ahem ...... she is not Muslim .........

That's wonderful for her(yes a she you Muslim retards!)
Think of all the unfortunate Muslimahs for whom such an accolade would be fantasy.
I'll look her up when I've got time.(E;izabeth Blackman)

Blackburn?

Read about her today in the dailyT,(Elizabeth Blackburn)
Seems that she's a geneticist who's work is concerned with what turns genes off and on.(clever stuff).
As Michio Kaku said this could be the century of biology.
I've watched some Kaku programs on BBC4.
He's a very gifted presenter.
I believe he tried to build his own Atom smasher in his father's garage(as a teenager).
Edward Teller went to look at it and paved his way to a Havard education.
BTW off topic,Beej.
I've just bought a state of the art digital processor and preamp.(9.2)
I'm mating it up to 5 active studio monitors(built in power amps).(Adam S2X x2 + Adam S1X x 3)
What do you think?(total more than 1000 watts class A)?

OFF TOPIC:

Dear hellosnackbar:
I don't appreciate Class A amplifiers.They get TOO HOT and are great energy guzzlers.
What did you buy?
Pass Labs,Krell,Accuphase?

Are they intended for Home Theater or STUDIO purposes?

Have you tested Class D amps?
I currently use Bel Canto REF 1000's.They are extremely powerful and always run cool.

I've never heard any active loudspeakers.Do you use single-ended or balanced interconnects?

Off Topic JH I believe they are called balanced connects.
I'm going to get a full seminar on them in about three weeks.
BTW have you read this Mike chap's posts.
I don't think he likes me(boo hoo hoo!)

Yes, FBF.

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Ah, Jewhawk, dear fellow, Nobel prizes in the sciences are special, are they not? A very far call from Nobel Peace Prizes. I can think of a few, though, that should never have been awarded, and a similar number that should have. Australia has done its bit to win a few, but the success of this "mere woman" delights me. Not short of talent, these Aussies! What a wonderful country it is!

The NOBEL PEACE PRIZES are highly politically motivated,therefore
not deserving much respect.
After ARAFAT won such a prize,all credibility of it evaporated.


Australia is, perhaps, the most envied country in the world.
It's a sun-bathed,surf-loving,tanned and happy Great Britain.

Ya know what though...as a gauge the NPP have been awarded to many more Jews than Arabs. Something like 129 to 7. That's pretty freakin substantial!

http://www.jewishmag.com/99mag/nobel/nobel.htm

Is this quote correct?
'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more
violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be
no more Israel '
-Benjamin Netanyahu

I despise the NPP's.I've made a list of the Jewish recipients of the Nobel Prize and discarded the NPP's.As far as I'm concerned, it has no value at all.

The arabs who won the NPP DID NOT deserved it.

SADAT was a NAZI-ALLY during WWII.He and Nasser.
ARAFAT was a MASS MURDERER.

Okay Jewhawk...I'm officially on board with you today after seeing news that Obamanation won the NPP. What a crappy way to wake up. Allow me to vent....
AAAAARRRGGGHHH!! IDIOTS!!

Stinkin' dog & pony show lost any shred of credibility. What a sick joke.

I need my coffee now, before I kill someone.

I LAUGHED when I've heard the news!!

Today the logical explanation came from FOX News's Chris Wallace:
"President Hussein was picked because he isn't George W.Bush!!!"

The European BOLSHEVIKS wanted to HUMILIATE the conservatives by rewarding one of their ilk.

The CREDIBILITY of the NPP is ZERO.

The same thing could be said of the United Nations.

Yes. Then there were such amoeba as Jimmy Carter, Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho, not to mention that ghastly Mother Teresa who preferred to see a woman beaten daily by a beastly husband rather than grant her a divorce.

I would love to have an infidels dinner party. But how would this be accomplished without risk to life and limb from those who do not wish us well? : )

Bronwen dear lady that would truly be something to look forward to.
It's just a nuisance that we are so far removed from one another!
I 've loosely planned a trip to meet my old mucker Beej and perhaps FBF too.(the antipodes are a little more than a sunday afternoon trip.)
I suppose I might take a circuitous route via California.
Curiously I've just learned to my horror that a dear friend has just collapsed and died!(I was with him last week and he was running around like a spring chicken)
Maybe a new world tour would be good for my soul?
My fondest regard,.
HSB

Dearest HSB,
I too have been recently surprised by death. I grasp your hand in the fellowship of suffering. My scientific friend, I would like to pour into your heart my faith that your friend is only gone from you for a little while and that God is good.
I would love to see you in California. We should not give up on an infidels' dinner. Beejj has promised to develop a menu. We will hold him to it.
Yours Affectionately,
Bron

Beej, that was an elegant smackdown. I raise my glass with you in praise of doubt. May I also observe that doubt is the friend of truth and that divine discontent, fueled by doubt, is the prerequisite for liberty. We differ on faith. I observe that doubt is a vehicle arriving at a destination. And it is only by the ruthless pursuit of the truth that we arrive at a faith worth having. Truth is the main thing.
Bron

Bronwyn, I was careless in my wording. I meant religious faith. It is a flimsy edifice built on an imaginary foundation.

I am well aware that you despise all faith but atheism.( Well, I do not know your views on agnosticism ) This is why I distinguished faith in the truth from your blanket condemnation of faith. I admire the turn of your mind without agreeing with all of your conclusions. I hate all religion myself,including atheism, but I hasten to add that faith in Jesus Christ is not religion but truth and a relationship with the only God there is. Atheism requires too much faith for me. I would tire of asserting that the only absolute is that there is no absolute. I could not avoid admittimg that faith in my conclusions is the only mechanism possible for the acquisition of knowledge. I am stunned by the inerrant, predictive power of the Hebrew scriptures and their fulfillment in Jesus and in Israel. I am swept away by the God who suffers and transfixed by the love which chose the Cross. I knew that we do not agree on all points or even many. I was delighted by your admiration of doubt and agreed wholeheartedly up to a point. No worries. And I am bracing myself for your reply.
Bron

I would not go so far as to say I despise faith, although I have no liking for what it achieves. That's rather brutal of me. Faith sustains multitudes of people in times of hardship and loss, so it can be said to serve a useful purpose, although I personally have no need for it. Yes, I have been dealt my share of cruel blows in my life, but they have never for a moment caused me to seek refuge in something I consider to be the ultimate absurdity. Religious faith has done good and harm. Which side of the ledger is fuller? I'll leave that for others to decide, but should it have done any harm at all?

Perhaps I am being obtuse (again), but I am mystified as to why you should think that atheism involves religious faith or is some form of religion. Faith in what? I wholeheartedly believe in the correctness of the scientific search for truth and its ruthless exposure of its own charlatans, but this does not mean I have faith in the endeavour- and certainly not faith in the religious connotation of that word. For all we know - and we readily agree that such might be the case - all our scientific laws might be at best shoddy approximations of something vastly deeper and more beautiful, but to proclaim, as some would, that this is definitely so is cross the line into worthless fantasy. Science proceeds not as a result of faith, but because of remorseless curiosity (cats would be great scientists!). Enemies of science, poor ignorant fools, rejoice when science falls flat on its face, as has often happened, and claim such occurrences to be vindication of their faith in the imaginary. There is no arguing with such people because they have not the remotest idea of what science is. When you point out to them that a failure in science has been brought about by (faithless) investigations of scientists themselves, all you will get is a blank stare. This is not to say, of course, that all scientists are atheists (although most of the great ones are or were), but how they continue to believe in the existence of something called God perplexes me. Still, that's their business, not mine, and I would not for a moment attempt to convince them otherwise - unless they attack my non-belief; my non-faith.

As I see it, Jesus was the most remarkable MAN, deserving of the fullest admiration. I confess, however, that (if I pretend for a moment that God exists) the notion of his divinity is absurd - a johnny-come-lately political invention by Constantine some 300 years after the death of Jesus. Where, in the Bible is the Trinity mentioned? I take issue with Jesus the MAN when he says nonsense as "Whosoever believeth in me shall not die, but shall have everlasting life". Sorry if that is not word-perfect, but you know the verse, I am sure. What a nerve! What cheek! What bullshit! Who did this MAN think he was? Little wonder he got up the nostrils of the religious honchos of the day! Little wonder they wanted to be rid of him. When you mention the Old Testament verses that Christians claim foretell the coming of Jesus you have me at a crippling disadvantage because my knowledge of such matters is less than minuscule. I have, however, talked about this to rabbinical scholars, and they laugh. No, they are not rabidly anti-Christian, neither are they Jesus haters, but they persuasively argue that verses chosen by Christians as "proof" of the coming of Jesus could be interpreted in many ways. If I had reason to believe in all this religious hoo-haa I would undoubtedly set to work to attempt to divine what would satisfy me as truth, but I don't, so I haven't. It is said that our brain cell count declines from birth, or at least from very early on. I am damned (!) if I will waste a single one of mine pondering such mumbo-jumbo!

I love your idea of a dinner for infidels. Indeed, when I saw it I almost set about writing a menu for the evening. I might still do so. Cost is no problem. John Infidelesto is as rich as Croesus, so he could easily pay all expenses, including air tickets to and from the United States, for at least 50 of us, plus accommodation at flash hotels equipped with hot and cold running Muslimahs.

Bronwen like Beej I'm an atheist but perhaps arrogantly like to think of myself as a human being,
Today I read of a poor lady who lost her job as a result of having the temerity to "pray" at the bedside of a dying man.(I would become religious rather than associate with
the likes of that type of apparatchik who effected her dismissal.)
When I read such things I wonder if the brave new world of Huxley is being created by these meally mouthed libero- facscists who have the effrontery to describe themselves as secularists,
They carry the same submission to ideology as dyed in the wool Muslim believers.
As they say"plus ca change plus ca les memes choses."

Atheism is certainly a faith and atheists assert many things that require faith to accept. You assert that there is no God. In doing so you reject all the evidence of order and beauty from the widest expanse of the universe down to the irreducible complexity of sub-atomic particles. Irreducible complexity. Organisms that we previoulsy dismissed as simple are found on further examination aided by techonological breakthroughs, to have an astonishing and mystifying complexities that are seeminlgy endless.. Your knowledge of physics will inform you here, where my lack of the same leaves me hanging. Yes, the order and beauty of the universe and all life fairly shouts the hand of the creator. I find it disingenuous to insist that organization of the magnitude that we discover in our universe is not the product of intelligence. It seems to me more than a little doctrinaire to insist that we believe, against all human experience that I am aware of, that disorganization and disarray gave birth to the seemingly infinite order and complexity that describes our world.

I do not disparage science at all. But a scientific method will only acknowledge as fact those things that it can measure. It is obviously possible that there are things which cannot be measured and their existence is not disproved by the fact that science cannot yet measure them . God is a tremendous case in point.
The scientific method is stupendous and rigorously applying it has been useful and successful at getting closer to ...what? the truth? I believe so. I believe that when God gave the order in the garden of Eden to subdue the earth that this is exactly what He meant. Probe it to the depths, understand it, alter it, dominate it and admire its beauty.
I guess I digress.My point is that it is not at all self-evident or particularly rational to assert that there is no God. It seems quite the reverse to me. In all lmy experience I have never encountered order without encountering the fact that there is an author of that order.

There is a lot I don't know about your atheism, but I find that atheists generally do not like for human beings to take personal reponsibility for human evil. The existence of free will, human choice and of evil do not cause me to conclude that there is no God. That is not a necessary conclusion. It did make me strongly consider the worthiness of God. Was God, who allowed evil, worth anything? I find it to be the glory of human beings that we were created free moral agents and able to choose good and evil and to reason instead of wildly react.
I wish I could lightly touch on the Trinity, the divinity of Jesus and the ability of God to communicate with His creation. I do not want to go on interminably, yet I would love to discuss the Trinity whose biblical revelation begins in Genesis, not with Constantine.
I wanted to respond relatively quickly, so here it is. I will speak of more later unless you tire of the discussion.

Bron

Hello again, dear Bronwyn. Loved your message.

Now then, how shall I respond? I find myself in the same position as Bertrand Russell, the prominent philosopher who was an atheist. He said that if, after dying, he came face to face with God and was asked why he had not believed, he would respond, "Sorry, God. Not enough evidence." A good answer, that. I assure you I do NOT assert there is no God, only that I see no reason to hypothesise his/her/its existence. Until I have some tangible reason to accept God's existence I shall continue to hold my position, but I might be wrong. I do not wish to sound like a slippery politician, but my not believing in God's existence is not the same thing as believing in God's non-existence!! If I held the latter view I would willingly preach my message as gospel (!), thereby putting atheism on a kind of religious footing, but I do not. Thus, my view requires no faith whatever. I say again that I might be wrong, just as you might be, but I can see nothing that convinces me that you are right in your belief. I will never, however, try to convince you of the correctness of my disbelief. (I wonder if you know of Bertrand Russell's teapot. If not, try to find out about his idea. It might be Google-able. Clever bloke, Russell.)

The magnificence and complexity of the universe (particularly the human brain) is spell-binding, but does not induce in me the idea that some great architect behind the scenes designed it all. Indeed, the bewildering array of complex structures that make up the universe are explicable in terms of a relative handful of interactions of fundamental particles. For a while there - only 100 years or so ago - it was thought that physics was almost complete and ALL was about to be explained and accounted for. Then along came Quantum Theory!! Suddenly, something akin to madness took over physics (Feynman calls it "ridiculous" - he used the word in the sense of awe and wonder - while Bohr, one of the Theory's creators, said that anyone who claims to understand QT does not understand it!). When I was a callow youth trying to get my head around QT (I still haven't) it's weirdness and irritating quality that the more we find out about it, the farther away Truth slips from our grasp tempted me to believe that the only way out of this shambles was to postulate a VERY clever God (who might have been chuckling away at our feeble attempts to discover his secrets), but I soon recognised this mode of thinking to be a cop-out; a dead end; a surrender; a betrayal of the human spirit and its restless quest for truth. QT has been with us for about 80 years and has attracted the endeavours of the finest minds our race can produce. During those years we have made giant strides, so do we feel we are getting nearer the ultimate answer to it all? Alas, no! We see that the journey, if it has an end, will be a long, long one. Will it have an end? I doubt it. I certainly hope not. What drives us? The search for truth and beauty. Is there anything at all in science that indicates God's non-existence? Not a single thing. Science and religion do not make happy bedmates because science MUST concern itself with the concrete; the detectable; the measurable. God is not made of such stuff, and neither are love, fear, imagination and hope. Any scientist or any atheistic non-scientist who claims that the splendid achievements of science somehow undermine belief in God is talking balderdash and can be made to look no end of a fool in short order, and deservedly so.

I hope I have made it clear that I do NOT assert that there is no God. I do not have the gall to be so arrogantly foolish. I simply cannot see any reason to believe in his/her/its existence. "Not enough evidence, God!"

I note what you say about there being an author of order, as you put it. Allow me to recommend that you buy the book "The Blind Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins. It's an enjoyable read. Dawkins does not PROVE anything, but he persuasively takes you along the path that astonishing complexity and beauty can arise without someone behind the scenes making it so.

Let's leave the Trinity stuff, at least for the moment. I need to do a spot of reading of Genesis if I am to say anything sensible.

I am enjoying this, so I hope you are, too.

Beej, do you exist? If so, did you create yourself? If not, who did?

Sir W evolution is now more than obvious
(read "The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins)
However the actual origin of life(abiogenesis) is still the subject of much speculation.
It will be the next great revelation(biological of course)probably by that amazing American.
Dr Craig Venter.

I would hardly call evolution more obvious, if anything, I see the evidence going quite the other way, but the jury is still out, imo. I'm keeping an open mind.

We are still working on that one, Sir W. It wasn't so long ago that we had no inkling of how stars "work" but now we do, as well as how they are born and die. That's quite impressive. Who made God?

Do you really know how stars work?http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00current.htm

Yes.

Beej Bronwyn et al,
Just bought a copy of the"Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins of course!
It's sensationally good!,not only is Dawkins a world class scientist,but also a world class writer(his use of English is impeccable).
Islam 786 read it!! it will show you how to express yourself in the Queen's language
and if with your lone two functioning neurones it will teach you that your
FAITH is delusional.
I'm all for fraternity Bron based on the golden rule!
Try that on for size you Muslim morons it will help in your civilisational developement.

Thank you for the recommendation, HSB. I shall buy it upon the instant. Dawkins reads better than he comes across on TV, oddly enough. I need to give him lessons in the subtle nuances of public speaking! Who is/was the best public speaker I have seen? Without doubt, Hitler. Ignore what he said: just watch how he said it. Mesmerising. He, Churchill and Lloyd George were the finest orators of the 20th century. Curiously, I cannot think of a single great American orator, although I would dearly loved to have seen Lincoln in action. (Of course, Flashman taught him a few tricks!) Bibi's recent speech must be warmly applauded for its quiet power and telling lack of histrionics: a far cry from the vacuous and worthless rantings of the Muslim who inspired it.

As I sit here I am enjoying a glass of an old cognac. Well, maybe two or three. I smoke a Havana cigar (a large Romeo & Juliet) as I do so, relishing the wicked joys life can bring to those unafraid of forbidden pleasures or the everlasting punishments that are said to follow such decadence. Let me expire with a cigar in my mouth, a glass of Laphroaig in my hand and naughty woman at my side! Who was it who wisely said, "A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke"? Good bloke, that.

I muse upon the lot of the Muslim and feel a darkness descending upon me. He is born into slavery of the mind - a mind that is forever closed to the wonders of doubt and investigation. He is imprisoned by rigid and suffocating certainty born of rancid and unforgiving superstition. He dare not step outside the perimeters of prescribed thought lest he subject himself to censure and punishment leading even to death itself. The Christian and the Jew know no such strictures. We atheists (Christians and Jews, too) look upon such people with pity in the truest sense of the word, for we know that enslavement of thought is the greatest insult and betrayal of the human condition. No-one has successfully enslaved the Jewish and Christian mind to rigidity of thought, which is why these faiths have evolved without losing sight of their roots, and why they have contributed so magnificently to human and social progress, but in the Muslim scheme of things there can never be a Reformation: no development or refinement or IMPROVEMENT. Muslim feet are eternally embedded in reinforced concrete, forbidding any movement , let alone the march of progress. A thousand and a half years since their prophet crept out of his cave, their women are commanded to dress as they did in those distant days. Obediently, they do as they are told, unprotesting and submissive. But will this continue? I wonder ... if Islam is to fail or undergo radical change, might it be because of rebellion of its women?

Astonishing Beej you're a cigar freak!
My personal favourite are Cohiba Robustos;but now and again I can force a Montecristo No2 between my lips.
And now that you've reminded me I'm going to pour myself a wee dram of Smith's Glenlivet.
Whisky isn't mentioned in the Koran;
perhaps you and I can sample all those malts and cognacs in some other place and keep laughing at Islam!
There's nothing like a good Cuban!
All the rest taste like dried privets in comparison.

Nice indeed,Beejj.
My sense of "fun" sometimes causes me to be a little derisive when debating things ecclesiastical but it's an affectionate derision.Other faiths I cannot comment upon,for where the other religions are concerned my scholarship died a fledgling death.
Then we have Islam.
Anyway,while doing some Spring cleaning today I happened upon an old book by Arthur Schopenhauer and my thumbing turned to reading and my reading turned to this:
"Consider for example,the Koran.This wretched book was sufficient to found a religion of the world,to satisfy the metaphysical need of millions of men,for twelve hundred years,to become the foundation of their morality,and of no small contempt for death,and also to inspire them to bloody wars and most extended conquests;we find in it the saddest and poorest form of Theism.Much may be lost through translation;but I have not been able to discover one single valuable thought in it."

This was first published in December of 1818.
in his" The World as Will and Representation".
Almost two hundred years ago and the man nailed it.

Schopenauer! ah yes!, a thinker,and scholar.
His cortical developement was somewhat in excess of the majority of people today.
Winston Churchill also had a rather caustic rant on the subject of Islam.
I'll look it up and let you know.

NICE, nice nice! So well put Beej! THAT is why you have such civility, because you are not asserting God does not exist. My goodness, you are a gentleman! The noxious people I've "debated" with are hard core about God's non-existence & when they cannot sway me, resort to belittling, name calling nastiness.
I completely appreciate lack of proof as a reason for your position & your wonderfully written thoughts on this subject. You are a complete brainiac! I'm a simpleton in contrast to you & Bronwyn (& others I'm sure!) , but I know decency, I know common sense, I know how to learn new things & I know not to bite off more than I can chew!
I'm loving this blog & look forward to lots of tit for tat :)

Gosh, Stompy, you are the first to accuse me of being a gentleman! I am honoured.

I know the kinds of people you describe, and I find them hateful. Mercifully, it is an easy matter to demolish their "arguments", but, as you point out, they then resort to insults and ugliness. I have far more respect for the believer who tries to convert me than I have for the atheist who tries to dismantle a believer's faith. How dare he attempt such a thing! He has no right at all. He can express his views, of course, but to chip away determinedly at one of the foundations of another's happiness or emotional well-being is a swinish thing to do. The believer who tries to convince me of the correctness of his view does not act out of malice, but from genuine concern. I respect this, although I suspect it will be a cold day in Hell before I am convinced. The kinds of believers who arouse my ire are those look upon atheists as lower forms of life. GW Bush is such a man. When asked if an American atheist could be a patriot, he replied in the negative. Behold an idiot!

You judge yourself too harshly by far. I love reading your posts. They make me think and they often make me laugh. Exploding Muslims! That's a classic, but your "freakin' rock star schnood" takes the biscuit: not only is if funny, but it cuts straight to the guts of the nature of the phony who occupies the White House.

It tickles me pink that you've gotten such a kick out of the "rock star schnood" ;-p That was the first thing that popped into my head after seeing his "Are you fired up!? Are you fired up?!" Exchange with the crowd. Then he tops it off with "I love you!" as he leaves the podium. Gag me with your birth certificate you narcissist!

"I am enjoying this, so I hope you are, too"

Yes, thank you. "Let brothely love continue." : )
Bron

Ahhh, beautiful Bron! I wanted to touch on this, but do not possess your eloquence! In my simpleton version:

In my opinion, it requires "faith" to believe that every thing created, "just happened" or "just is". The universe in all it's complexities was created from....quarks, atoms, protons, neutrons.....well......where did THOSE come from?

Thank you, stompykitty. I have thought about this a while. You are very humorous and I enjoy your posts. I look forward to more of them.
Bron

LOVE your style Beej ;) We are on opposite sides of the fence of belief, but I applaud your decorum! I have had "discussions" (I use that term loosely) with people on faith & 98% of them have such disdain, such venom & lack of civility. I'm simply DONE when things turn that way.
THANK YOU for your approach!

Thank you, Stompy. Bronwyn is great, isn't she? It's always a joy to read her. Muslim males must daily stick pins in her effigy!

I put my reply toHSB in the wrong place. I must be sleepy.

Imagine a knife entering deep inside your body just once. Imagine the terror of the helpless woman as she endured stab after stab from her brothers. Frankly, I can't.

Odyssia; Muslims seem to have a problem with reasoned imagination; it's knocked out of them from a very early age.
They are however, extremely sensitive; when anybody ridicules their baseless dogma!

Will someone please send this article to the judge presiding over the Rifqa Bary case in Florida or Ohio or wherever they are deciding it.

And the media makes it look like no big deal. Just another day. But those damn right wing extremist, gun toting christian conservatives...
Dude I'm tellin ya the world is turnin upside down right in front of our eyes!