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“How to destroy freedom” by liberal democrats, case study 335…
Stone: Do you think it’s fair to send people to jail who don’t buy health insurance?
Pelosi: … The legislation is very fair in this respect.
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Pelosi and every representative that voted for this bill should be thrown in jail for violating their oath to uphold the Constitution because they obviously believe it's ok to violate our freedom of choice and throw us in jail while they're at it. Their ignorance of and disdain for the Constitution is sickening. Getting voted out is too good for them, they should be charged with treason, and what's the penalty for treason?
Well said, SirW, I agree 100%.
Not that I am for this (I'm not), but it would have been more believable if the voice asking the question wasn't edited in.
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Here is the question I have:
“If conservatives and libertarians refuse, out of principle, not to get health-care and many of them [us] are imprisoned for any length of time, who pays for their health insurance while in custody?”
Isn't this “placing the burden on others” still? It would be in fact the Federal Government mandating “burden on others” (watch the video for connection to this quote and Pelosi).
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Pelosi says: “…Do you think it's fair if somebody says, “Well I'm just not going to have any, if I get sick then I'll just go to the emergency room and send the bill to you.”
What the hell does she think happens now? Indigent citizens and most certainly, illegal aliens, get medical care at emergency rooms and American taxpayers foot the bill. Is she going to start putting them (at least the illegals) in jail? This woman and her Democrat cohorts are bat-shit crazy.
This would criminalize millions of Americans if they refuse to knuckle under. This raving bitch and her Dem cronies want to impose fines and possible prison for American citizens who either choose not to kowtow to a government takeover of their healthcare, or simply cannot afford the dictated premiums.
A communist oligarchy has invaded our government. Nancy Pelosi and B. Hussein Obama have hijacked our freedoms and Constitution. The Democrats are steamrolling over the rights of citizens, dismissing our anger, and ram-rodding draconian legislation down our throats.
I used to think something like this could never happen in America. Now I realize that as long as these miscreants are allowed to remain in power, this is not America.
If we went back in time four or five years and asked them, how many liberals could look forward in time and see themselves in support of throwing a person in prison, for not obeying the govt?
Can we imprison corporate whore legislators for failing to pass a real health care reform bill – like a single-payer system? Because I'd totally support that.
Pelosi can EFF OFF! I was fired from my job for having Cancer! Then my ex boss cancelled my insurance! Then when offered a chance to help me with a new program where he pays 65% of my COBRA and then gets it all back in his quarterly taxes, the Jew wouldn't even do that! So now, I have no job! No insurance! And no way to pay for any! I don't know if my Cancer is coming back!
And the Bitch wants to put me in jail? Bring it you effn cnt!!! I'll kick your ass!
I, personally, was on board with the heath care overhaul until the mandatory health insurance clause. It is not like car or home insurance where you can go without, but with some acceptable consequences, like being allowed to drive if no car insurance. With a fine for no health insurance the only one could give up is life, or life among the populace. Hell, the numbers alone will make it almost impossible for people to survive. Lets create an example, say a single graduate, in today's job climate; manages to get a job at one of the wonderful box retail stores. Right off the bat that person will barely make above minimum wage, or roughly $8.50. His company will not work him full time and he may get about 35 hrs./ week. He also may not eligible for insurance because he is not full time, yet. With taxes taken out it may be roughly $12,000 a year. So here is the math, the person maybe on his own, and the average rent in my part of the country is $500 dollars, or half of his monthly income. Then with this a mandatory health plan, last time I got a quote it was over $300 dollar/ month. So he is down to $200, lets say he has basic utilities, water and electricity. The cost, frugally estimate, is $60 total, down to $140. Divide $140 by 4 and boom $35 a week. $35 to work with, it can be done, but the fella will be getting another job. Now keep in mind that this is all rounded math, but it is want one person who makes between $14,000 and $12,000 per year will face.
Just curious, why did it take the mandate to buy for you to oppose it? I'm all for reform, but not through a government takeover. And not only is it a government takeover, it puts us in so much debt with such a high deficit (cause we're not already waist deep in debt) that we are sapping future generations with a burdern that will take decades to deal with. Couple that with the decline of the dollar because of our debt and you can see why the only logical conclusion to health reform is in the way of reducing spending, opening up competition across state lines,reforming our tort system which will cut medical costs considerably and bring prices down as well as rewarding ALL Americans with tax credits if they buy insurance.
We can create more competition by allowing people to buy health insurance across state lines, give more tax credits to those who use health savings accounts, overhauling our tort system which could eliminate billions in wasteful spending, giving tax credits to families who purchase insurance for themselves and their children, etc.
The notion put forward in the media is that if you don't buy into Obamcare, then you are saying no to reform when that
I, personally, was on board with the heath care overhaul until the mandatory health insurance clause. It is not like car or home insurance where you can go without, but with some acceptable consequences, like being allowed to drive if no car insurance. With a fine for no health insurance the only one could give up is life, or life among the populace. Hell, the numbers alone will make it almost impossible for people to survive. Lets create an example, say a single graduate, in today's job climate; manages to get a job at one of the wonderful box retail stores. Right off the bat that person will barely make above minimum wage, or roughly $8.50. His company will not work him full time and he may get about 35 hrs./ week. He also may not eligible for insurance because he is not full time, yet. With taxes taken out it may be roughly $12,000 a year. So here is the math, the person maybe on his own, and the average rent in my part of the country is $500 dollars, or half of his monthly income. Then with this a mandatory health plan, last time I got a quote it was over $300 dollar/ month. So he is down to $200, lets say he has basic utilities, water and electricity. The cost, frugally estimate, is $60 total, down to $140. Divide $140 by 4 and boom $35 a week. $35 to work with, it can be done, but the fella will be getting another job. Now keep in mind that this is all rounded math, but it is want one person who makes between $14,000 and $12,000 per year will face.
Just curious, why did it take the mandate to buy for you to oppose it? I'm all for reform, but not through a government takeover. And not only is it a government takeover, it puts us in so much debt with such a high deficit (cause we're not already waist deep in debt) that we are sapping future generations with a burdern that will take decades to deal with. Couple that with the decline of the dollar because of our debt and you can see why the only logical conclusion to health reform is in the way of reducing spending, opening up competition across state lines,reforming our tort system which will cut medical costs considerably and bring prices down as well as rewarding ALL Americans with tax credits if they buy insurance.
We can create more competition by allowing people to buy health insurance across state lines, give more tax credits to those who use health savings accounts, overhauling our tort system which could eliminate billions in wasteful spending, giving tax credits to families who purchase insurance for themselves and their children, etc.
The notion put forward in the media is that if you don't buy into Obamcare, then you are saying no to reform, period end of sentence. They don't even CONSIDER the idea of REDUCING the government burden on the market. The interstate commerce issue is SO obvious yet the Obamamania media is clueless.
There are so many great ways to deal with health care yet Pelosi, Reid and Obama can think of NOTHING but increasing the role of the federal gov't because they hate the free market system, hate successful businesses, hate achievers, hate rich people.
You guys do realize this mandate was added by Republicans right?? It sounds as though this is all structured to make it sound like Democrats added this.
I don't think it's fair to send people to jail because they don't buy health insurance and I also don't think it's fair to let someone suffer just because they don't have it. I have acquired a Humana family health insurance and I like to think that, although we are all healthy at the moment, a part of the money goes to helping people that are ill and can't afford to buy insurance.
Are you kidding me?? This chick is Hitler's kin, I swear.
Doesn't sound like the usual democrat agenda. Sounds more like the Republican concept of the government distancing itself from health care. But the Democratic side comes out when she says”if they can't afford it, it[the bill] provides subsidies to do so”
Personally, i agree with sfcmac-carthy's idea that “A communist oligarchy has invaded our government”. Clearly the Obama administration is slowly invading all personal freedom in America, making people dress in Maoist attire, banning other parties from practicing, and of course making it impossible for independent businesses to exist. Except of course for the fact that the Bush administration oversaw the economic demolition of the US and the Obama administration bailed out all the companies despite their folly. Sounds like a communist oligarchy to me.
Give the dumb business owners a pile of cash and don't tell them how to spend it. You can totally tell it's a communist oligarchy because of how the Obama administration is still listening to conservative drivel instead of giving the American people top quality healthcare. Obama is more of a conservative buddy than he is a liberal, my friend, and that is because he wants to be everyone's friend.
How's this for a solution: Government provides its people with actual healthcare, like even the worse hellholes in the world manage to do, and anyone who doesn't think it should be so can take their health tax and see the mileage it'll get them at a private healthcare firm that reluctantly provides care for profit, reserves the right to drop you on your rump at the first sign of trouble, and dodges payments with mountains of paperwork. Let the companies screw up everything in America, but don't ever let businessmen near your health. If suicide is such a big ambition, borrow Limbaugh's oxycontin.
My opinion is that health insurance should be provided for anyone free of charge or anyways, for a low cost… People who don't buy health insurance are not doing that out of the blue sky, but because they can't afford that… Now let's rephrase this situation:”I can't afford bring healthy.” Maybe you could afford being healthy if the government wouldn't spend billions with the war in Irak…
You are right about this matetr and the government proves once again how little respect it has for the citizens that pay taxes. Now we should go to jail if we can't afford health care right? I don't such a law would ever pass.
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I think that Obama actually want to do that, but I’m unclear about what “rationing medical care costs” means. He needs to explain that first and maybe he will have a chamce passing that bill.