5 Reasons Why putting 9-11 mastermind on trial in NY is Insane

by Infidelesto on November 13, 2009 · Comments

Leaked photo of Khalid Shiekh Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9-11 attacks

Leaked photo of Khalid Shiekh Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9-11 attacks

These men are enemies of the US, not citizens or residents who committed a few murders. They don’t belong in a courtroom — they belong in a military tribunal, and at the end of a rope afterwards. KSM didn’t commit his “crime” in the US, after all; he committed it abroad, outside of the normal jurisdiction of the American court system.From the New York Times:

WASHINGTON — Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described mastermind of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and four other men accused in the plot will be prosecuted in federal court in New York City, the United States attorney general announced Friday.

For those of you who don’t realize why this is so insane, consider these few things:

  1. KSM has already confessed and asked to be martyred – So why don’t we grant him that right? Justice will be served.  Instead we have a lengthy show trial put on display at the expense of the American public.
  2. What evidence? – What evidence do we REALLY have on him? Most of it is probably circumstantial based on eye-witness accounts and testimonies from informants.  How do you PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that he’s guily of “masterminding” the 9-11 attacks? The defense has so much to work off of it’s not even fair.
  3. These are not normal criminals. KSM wasn’t arrested the same way all criminals are arrested.  He wasn’t read his Miranda rights, wasn’t given a lawyer, wasn’t given a phone call, wasn’t given the other NORMAL procedural rights given to a prisoner being held by the justice system.  He was also subjected to enhanced interrogations.  I can picture it now…”My Client was TORTURED!”   There is a HUGE potential for the defense to use these arguments during trial claiming unfair and/or harsh treament which could ultimately lead to crucial evidence being dismissed from the case.
  4. The danger of exposing our intelligence community – What’s going to happen? Will CIA and FBI agents be forced to testify? Will their identities be revealed? Will the judge allow classified intelligence allowed in as evidence to be brought forth to the public? The potential for this show trial is damning when you think about how it could expose our intelligence services tactics and thought process.  When this kind of sensitive information goes public, it puts our country at greater risk, especially those who work within the intelligence community.
  5. A Platform at Ground Zero to mock the 9-11 victims and their families – Just imagine the ridiculous defense tactics that will be used by the well-funded (You know for sure some left wing group will defend them (maybe Eric Holder’s old firm? They’ve got the experience). It’s a disgrace that a public platform will be used in the heart of manhatten to make a mockery of the suffering of 9-11 victims’ families.

Here is more reaction around the country…

NRO’s Andy McCarthy :

“So: We are now going to have a trial that never had to happen for defendants who have no defense. And when defendants have no defense for their own actions, there is only one thing for their lawyers to do: put the government on trial in hopes of getting the jury (and the media) spun up over government errors, abuses and incompetence. That is what is going to happen in the trial of KSM et al.

It will be a soapbox for al-Qaeda’s case against America. Since that will be their “defense,” the defendants will demand every bit of information they can get about interrogations, renditions, secret prisons, undercover operations targeting Muslims and mosques, etc., and – depending on what judge catches the case – they are likely to be given a lot of it.

The administration will be able to claim that the judge, not the administration, is responsible for the exposure of our defense secrets. And the circus will be played out for all to see – in the middle of the war. It will provide endless fodder for the transnational Left to press its case that actions taken in America’s defense are violations of international law that must be addressed by foreign courts. And the intelligence bounty will make our enemies more efficient at killing us.”

Joe Lieberman:

“It is inconceivable that we would bring these alleged terrorists back to New York for trial, to the scene of the carnage they created eight years ago, and give them a platform to mock the suffering of their victims and the victims’ families, and rally their followers to continue waging jihad against America.”

Sarah Palin

Criminal defense attorneys will now enter into delaying tactics and other methods in the hope of securing some kind of win for their “clients.” The trial will afford Mohammed the opportunity to grandstand and make use of his time in front of the world media to rally his disgusting terrorist cohorts. It will also be an insult to the victims of 9/11, as Mohammed will no doubt use the opportunity to spew his hateful rhetoric in the same neighborhood in which he ruthlessly cut down the lives of so many Americans.

It is crucially important that Americans be made aware that the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks may walk away from this trial without receiving just punishment because of a “hung jury” or from any variety of court room technicalities. If we are stuck with this terrible Obama Administration decision, I, like most Americans, hope that Mohammed and his co-conspirators are convicted. Hang ‘em high.

Senator John Cornyn(R- TX)

“These terrorists planned and executed the mass murder of thousands of innocent Americans,” he said. “Treating them like common criminals is unconscionable.”

Senator Jim Webb (D – VA)

“…They do not belong in our country, they do not belong in our courts, and they do not belong in our prisons…”

Rudy Giuliani

Returning some of the Guantanamo detainees to New York City for trial, specifically Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, has now brought us full circle — we have regressed to a pre-9/11 mentality with respect to Islamic extremist terrorism. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed should be treated like the war criminal he is and tried in a military court. He is not just another murderer, or even a mass murderer. He murdered as part of a declared war against us — America.

This is the same mistake we made with the 1993 terrorists who attacked the World Trade Center. We treated them like domestic criminals, when in fact they were terrorists. In the dangerous world we live in today, a nation unable to identify and properly define its enemies is a nation in danger.

Rush Limbaugh:

Folks, stop and think of what’s going to happen here. “Nothing results in more disclosures of government intelligence than civilian trials. They are a banquet of information, not just at the discovery stage but in the trial process itself, where witnesses — intelligence sources — must expose themselves and their secrets.” But it’s even worse than this.  Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his confederates have no defense.

They have admitted this!  They asked to be executed and martyred last December. They wanted to go meet Allah and the 73 virgins.  They have no defense.  What’s going to end up on trial here — and this is the insidious part — what’s going to end up on trial here is the United States, the CIA, and our interrogation techniques.  All of this is being done to satisfy the rabid, radical, far left that hates this country; that hates George W. Bush; that hates the US military.

Ed Morrissey:

These men are enemies of the US, not citizens or residents who committed a few murders. They don’t belong in a courtroom — they belong in a military tribunal, and at the end of a rope afterwards. KSM didn’t commit his “crime” in the US, after all; he committed it abroad, outside of the normal jurisdiction of the American court system.

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  • jimrthy
    Usually, I like what this site has to say. This time, I think you have things dead backwards. Treating KSM like an uncommon criminal would just make al Qaeda a bigger boogie man to use to terrify us and justify more extension of the Bush-era police state tactics. Not that Obama shows any sign of restoring any of our stolen freedoms.

    This *is* a [small] step forward, though. Sure, he might wind up insulting the friends and family of the victims. I think the risk of that, weighed against the principle that the government can't just point a finger and pronounce someone guilty, is much more than worth it.

    Before the flames start, I'm not a liberal by any stretch (unless you want to go way back to the roots of classical liberalism). I'm just neither a coward nor a war profiteer like the neocons quoted in the article.
  • Jim,

    Why is the idea of national security so hard for you to understand?

    You mention "war profiteers" as if creating goods and services that create jobs and provide our military with the ability to carry out the orders of the President, especially in a time of war is a bad thing? Would you only want non-profits involved in supplying the efforts of the military to carry out missions? The notion that you should eliminate profit while at war is stupid and naive. It's the same ridiculousness that goes with health care, thinking that all of the health care industry should be non-profit. It's hopelessly ignorant to think that you can remove the capitalist system and still sustain the same amount of ingenuity, risk, investment, expansion and thus quality in your product.

    You imply that republicans only wage war because they want "profit". Did it ever occur to you that they have a deep found interest in protecting the American people? What would you have done after 9-11? We took out the Taliban with the help of NATO. There were all kinds of "profits" made on that operation. Does that make everyone in NATO a "war profiteer"??

    While I respect your opinion, it borders on irrational absurdity.

    With respect to the KSM trial in NY, I've already laid out my reasons above. I'd like to see you address each point rather than just be happy about exposing our intelligence services identities, tactics and operational techniques, not to mention the insult to the families of 9-11, not to mention the VERY REAL possibility this people could get aquitted once the jury finds out they were never read their Miranda rights, never given a lawyer, so called "tortured" by our President's own admission, among other (what would be determined) as unjust with the assumption this terrorist deserves all the rights awarded to the regular American citizen.

    This isn't a small step forward, Jim. This is a HUGE step backward that puts the American people and the country in MUCH greater danger.
  • James
    You can see a point-by-point response to the original post at http://groups.google.com/group/transquesta/brow... I'm pretty sure it's viewable by non-members.

    Regarding your response:

    This mess doesn't have anything to do with national security. It's partially about empire-building and being the biggest international bully. But it's mostly about keeping Americans terrorized so we accept abominable violations of our rights like the PATRIOT Act. If anybody in D.C. actually cared about national security, they'd start by securing our borders.

    When I used the phrase "war profiteers," I specifically meant Giuliani. He's made millions off of 9/11 and its victims. Not to mention that it gave him the political capitol to make a credible stab at the Presidency.

    During WW2, every American did without in order to support the war effort. We obviously can't expect companies to go non-profit during a war (especially since we're almost constantly at war), but maybe we should expect them to dial down the profits. If it's not worth sacrifice, we probably shouldn't be involved in that war in the first place. The military-industrial complex is bad, precisely because it gives private industry a motive to want wars.

    This isn't a Democrat/Republican thing: both parties are equally guilty of sacrificing the lives of our soldiers in meaningless wars. I'm sure most of them believe there's some sort of legitimate national security interest at stake, but all they're really accomplishing is creating more enemies.

    This whole thing seem like it was modeled after 1984. We had the Evil Russian Empire breathing down our necks, and it was every American's duty to cede extra powers to the government to protect us from them. The Taliban were our friends. They basically defeated the evil Russians for us.

    Now the Russians are (more or less) our friends, and we have to give up our rights so the government can protect us from the evil Taliban.

    How did Americans become such cowards?

    You asked how I would have handled 9/11. Most of my friends were ready to just nuke Iraq into a playing field. I convinced them that they needed to take a deep breath, step back, and look at the bigger picture. We didn't have any evidence that Iraq was involved at all (and now most people have realized that there was pretty much no connection, if any, with Iraq). The evidence we have seen is extremely sketchy and doubtful.

    Waterboarding is torture. Anyone who doesn't believe that should find someone who's been trained to do it and give it a spin. See how long you can hold out. I'm pretty certain that, if I'd been subjected to as much as KSM had, I'd have confessed to masterminding 9/11 and begged to die, too.

    A confession obtained under torture is absolutely meaningless. People really should have realized that after the Spanish Inquisition.

    Here's the bottom line: the way things stand now, there's only one thing stopping the American government from declaring you an enemy combatant and making you disappear is the kindness of its heart. Maybe *you* trust that, but I can't think of any reason to.

    p.s. Just because you brought it up: I agree that the whole "right to health care" thing is completely ridiculous. But I'm a fan of the free market. I believe that the main reason health care is so expensive is government interference in the market, mainly caused by lobbyists from the insurance industry and the AMA. The other big reason I see is the frivolous law suits that have doctors ordering needless tests to cover their own asses.
  • psudrozz
    "Folks, stop and think of what’s going to happen here. “Nothing results in more disclosures of government intelligence than civilian trials. They are a banquet of information, not just at the discovery stage but in the trial process itself, where witnesses — intelligence sources — must expose themselves and their secrets.” But it’s even worse than this. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his confederates have no defense."

    i hate to admit it, but rush is correct. i have had experience in the intel community, and this truth scares the hell out of me.
  • Kal_El
    Which is why we need to simply move to battle field executions. Catch the jihadis, interrogate them, then dispose of them. Save the taxpayers millions of dollars, and our soldiers the hassle of having to shelter, feed and guard these scum.
  • jimrthy
    Yep. But the politicians need their scapegoats.
  • SirWilhelm
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