Weather Channel Founder And 30,000 Other Scientists Wanting To Sue Al Gore For Global Warming Fraud

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,578486,00.html An interesting development. Also, Michael Mann at Penn State is under investigation. And finally, in order to emphasize what the debate is really about, Glenn Beck's people estimate global warming advocates will have the world spend $145 TRILLION dollars to try and fix it.

For all those interested here is a site 'Climate-Gate org' where all the hacked e-mails are in full so you can make up your own minds.
http://www.climate-gate.org/index.php just put emails into the search engine.

This link takes you to a little YouTube video that explains who the main protagonists in the scandal are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu_ok37HDuE

The emails alone prove nothing. The problem, of course, is that these emails are not in a vacuum, but are to be read in the context of two wholly unrelated revelations: (1) The deletion, intentional or otherwise, of the CRU's original raw global temperature data, so it is apparently no longer possible to assess whether the "adjustments" to that data were valid or even intellectually honest; and (2) the exposure of code inside the climate models themselves that seems to indicate a direct tweaking of the programming to generate a particular result (i.e., a palpable warming trend). This is really, really, really, really bad stuff, because the entire case for regulatory intervention turns on the predictive power of these models. If the data that is their basis and the the programming itself has been manipulated in any way, shape or form to drive a result intended to influence policy, then all the scientific papers that derive from these models or rely on them in any way ought to be withdrawn

How does global warming relate to Islam?

Infidelesto!Muslims respire and contribute uncountable tons of CO2 to the atmosphere.
They represent a clear and present biohazard!
Not to mention their mindless use of explosives!
And they fart as well!

good point

It doesn't really. But we don't just talk about Islam here, we also occasionally talk about American politics and Geo-political issues that relate to preserving the founding principles of the American Constitution as well as refuting the lies and distortions of the left which seek to control and subvert any and all aspects of human liberty. The Democrat party and it's liberal leftist base are nonetheless complicit with Islam's pursuit of the Caliphate and it's aims to destroy the West. They have different goals in mind but they are natural allies in the process. Both demand the destruction of freedom and invite tyranny in all forms. The left's multiculturalist utopia controlled by the State, while Islam seeks to infiltrate and Islamisize societies across the globe. It's a convenient alliance until the point when they have to collide which won't be until their initial enemies are destroyed...us freedom loving, jihad destroying citizens of humanity.

"that humans are not responsible for the extinction of hundreds (thousands?) of species over the past couple of hundred years"

Beejj, you are right. Many ( thousands) species were erased by men.
In Brazil this is changing due government action.


"By the way, I smiled (in a somewhat sickly fashion) when I saw your use of "deadly" to describe polar bears. In the grand scheme of things I wonder what the score is for polar bears v humans. Are you one of those who use such sensational epithets as "shark attack" when one of those beautiful creatures accepts a free meal? Funny, isn't it? We eat fish, but sharks ATTACK us."

I agree 100% with you.

I am an ANIMAL LOVER.
I am against HUNTING.
I am against BULL FIGHTING.
I don't eat red meat.
I admire the sharks and I desire to see them all PROTECTED.
I am a great ANIMAL RIGHTS' supporter, but nothing like PETA's style, though.


The fact is that no matter how "green" we could possibly become toward nature, ONE
SINGLE volcanic eruption could release more methane, sulphur dioxide, CO² , ash and
other extremely harmful stuff into the atmosphere than the WHOLE human especies did
in the last 2 thousand years.

Natural-caused wildfires are also a major source of CO² release.Nothing could avoid it.
Draught + Lightining = Wildfires.
Arsonists could cause some 10% of the total.Even If we could stop ALL reckless bonfires,
cigarrete butts throwed and arsonists, NATURE would singlehandedly do the job.

Only in the lakes and oceans, the quantity of methane trapped is enough to destroy the
Ozone cap, if released at a faster pace.
Methane is a FAR WORST molecule to the environment than CO² itself.

Men's participation is being overestimated.

About Time: Sue Al Gore's socks, and britches off he is too big for. Let's hope he'll freeze. Couldn't happen to a finer fellow. LOL
GRRRRRR

Al Gore is just like those tricksters who are capable to sell sand to the Sahara Desert's beduins, the Eiffel Tower and the Yellowstone Park to the first japanese tourist who appears.

Climate changes are made by NATURE's hands.

When Hannibal crossed the alps, he did it through a dry place where today exists a GLACIER,
meaning that warming and freezing cycles are NORMAL and not man-made.

The noble, cute and deadly polar bears are not in extinction, but if they were,
they'd be just ONE species to disappear from the Earth, without the participation
of men.

The dinossaurs are no more.Were men the culprits ?
Nope.

Al Gore is having PROFIT with the gullible folks;
Nobody is forced to believe in his ECO-HOAX.

I trust you are not claiming, Jewhawk, that humans are not responsible for the extinction of hundreds (thousands?) of species over the past couple of hundred years. The current rate of extinction of species, due entirely to human activity, is as bad as it was during any period of "natural" mass extinctions of the past. Richard Leakey predicts that in less than 100 years from now about 50% of species may be lost due to human activity. I'm not trying to be a smartarse when I remind you that the dodo, the thylacine, the Irish elk and the great auk are just a tiny few of the animals that have disappeared entirely because of us.

You pour scorn on the notion that human activity is causing global warming. Why? Is it because the science of atmospheric activity is so complex and inexact that you think anything a scientist might suggest is certain to be incorrect? Do you honestly believe that people who are involved in such matters do not know of the existence of Nature's own great cycles and fluxes? If you think they cannot possibly be correct, I would like to know why.

Prediction on this scale is fraught with uncertainty, so there is a high chance that some of them might be badly wrong. On the other hand, there might indeed be a link between increase in the carbon dioxide concentration of the atmosphere and the measured rise in global temperature. What's the smart thing to do? Ignore the possible catastrophic danger, or accept that it might just be true and do something about it - just in case. Or are you willing to gamble the lives and living conditions of those who will follow us?

By the way, I smiled (in a somewhat sickly fashion) when I saw your use of "deadly" to describe polar bears. In the grand scheme of things I wonder what the score is for polar bears v humans. Are you one of those who use such sensational epithets as "shark attack" when one of those beautiful creatures accepts a free meal? Funny, isn't it? We eat fish, but sharks ATTACK us.

Although your tirade is quite impressive, sounds as if you'll gladly line up to pay the additional taxes incurred by the attempts of politicians/lobbyists to stop this CO2 horror.
Perhaps you might want to research exactly what was brought to light in the last week, or are you so steadfast in your mindset (or paycheck) you just can't stop and say "I was fooled"
It's OK, it happens to the best of us (last November comes to mind).

Tirade? Clearly, you do not know the meaning of the word. Look it up in a dictionary. Done that? OK, now tell me all about that which was brought to light last week.

"OK, now tell me all about that which was brought to light last week."

I think that DABIGRAGU may be revering to what has became known as 'Climategate' The hacked e-mails from the climate research centre at the University of East Anglia.

Thank you, Iain. I know nothing about this event, so I am unable to comment. University of East Anglia, eh? Hmm ..........

Have you looked into Climategate yet Beejj? It's the kind of thing I've been trying to tell you, and HSB, about. If you only follow the lame stream media, you'll have trouble finding much on it, because they are in on the scam. Global warming is not about the science, it's about politics and the redistribution of wealth, which is why Obama and his leftist Dems support it, and want to pass the Tax and Cap bill. If you still haven't found it, the e-mails this hacker or whistle blower has revealed show that scientists involved with documenting global warming have hidden and altered data. If you care to look, you might find that this kind of thing goes on in many, if not all, other scientific fields. This scandal should at least open your mind to the possibilty, and hopefully get you to look at science more skeptically.
http://www.thefoxnation.com/business/2009/11/29... Some links on climategate.

I have just started to look into the matter. So far, it appears that it's all a plot by those who stand to profit from the world's denial of the reality of global warming, or man's contribution to it. Sir W, please don't keep telling me to keep my mind open and to view science sceptically. It's insulting. I am a trained scientist and so I am, by definition, sceptical and open-minded. I might equally tell you to begin to undertake a study of science in order to creep out from under your cloak of embarrassing ignorance, but I shan't.

I'm sorry you took my gentle reminder to keep an open mind as an insult, I did not intend it to be one, since you took it that way, I apologize. As far as my "embarrassing ignorance" is concerned, I admit I don't know everything, and I feel I am wise enough to know that it is not possible for me, or any other human, to know everything there is to know in this world. That is my idea of an open mind, it seems it does not agree with yours. I hope you continue to look into the matter, but from what seems to be your preliminary conclusions "So far, it appears that it's all a plot by those who stand to profit from the world's denial of the reality of global warming, or man's contribution to it." it appears we will conitnue to disagree. By the way, may I ask, is that perception based on your scientific training?

Global warming is a subject I've not yet decided on.
I bought a book called "Heaven and Earth"by Ian Plimer in which he castigates "the warmists" as indulging in bad science.
On the other hand several erudite scientists(Al Gore not included)seem to be in the "warmist" camp.
Plimer said on BBC radio 4that the purpose of his book was to stimulate a debate(which has not happened).
I'm with Plimer on this one insofar as a debate of both sides would clear the air as to what real evidence supports which point of view.
I really think we should be told!
BTW Funky I met Monckton in Edinburgh about 25 years ago;I was not impressed.

I'm glad to hear you still have an open mind on the subject, but I have to ask you, how can you have a debate if one side is fudging the evidence? How can you tell what evidence is real after that? And once you see that one side has ulterior motives, what is there to debate after that, as far as science is concerned? Shouldn't science be free of motives? Their ulterior motives are what has turned the debate from "is there such a thing?" to "is man the cause of it?" And then to "what are you rich, industrialized countries going do about it?" with the goal of a monetary payoff. Besides the possibilty that there is such a thing as global warming, where is the science in any of that?

Al Gore is the Anti-Christ parading as a Ken doll.This treasonous also-ran is making a pretty penny for himself with this garbage and the gullible media(with very few exceptions) has swallowed this tripe whole.The bastard keeps moving the goal posts and never entertains serious debate on the issue.This is all about World Government and Al Gores place in it;not to mention his swelling bank balance.Lord Monckton says it best:
http://www.infidelsparadise.com/?p=4427

I sincerely hope you are right, FBF, but I think you might be wrong.

Time.....or a few more E-mails might shed some more light on this issue.
I cannot argue science with you,Beejj,there are many thousands of scientists who would,but then the Global Warming fraternity has taken on religious qualities in some respects(this is what bothers me).
A simple question from a non-scientist:
Has the planet warmed over the last six or seven years? or has it cooled?

http://www.climategate.com/german-physicists-tr...

Thought you might find this enlightening fbf.

Check.

G'day, FBF. I apologise for not replying sooner than this, but the whole business of global warming is so depressingly nebulous that one feels like one of those charlatans who write horoscopes whenever one attempts to pontificate on the matter. Let me say this, though: there is no-one alive, not even the cleverest of those of the scientific fraternity, who can say with certainty that human activity is or is not contributing to the perceived average temperature increase - yes, it is really happening. If only it were a simple scientific matter, but there are so many variables that it is impossible to claim certainty. Complex old thing, our planet! One has to consider whatever evidence one has and make a guess. Not very scientific! My view is worth no more than that of the bloke who sold me tomatoes in the fruit market this morning. You want his view? I'll have to buy more tomatoes. You want my opinion? I am convinced we are killing the planet as we know it and that if we do not do something drastic soon we will have left it too late. But I emphasise: this is nothing more than an opinion based upon incomplete - shoddy, even - evidence. I hope I am wrong. I come back to what I have already said: I think it's better and wiser and safer to assume the worst and to act accordingly until such time as evidence is forthcoming to prove otherwise. That's as honest as I can be, so I hope it suffices.

Have you been watching the Third Test from Perth? What a wonderful match! Gayle's century was the stuff of legend, but do you know what lifted my heart more? The reaction of the Australian crowd as he smashed sixes all over the world. They cheered him every stroke of the way, and were bitterly disappointed when he finally fell. God, you've got to love the Aussies! Compare their behaviour with that of the English crowds towards that prince of cricketers, Ricky Ponting, in the recent Ashes series. Australia 1 (100?); England 0. It's time for Ricky to hang up his bat, though. Hell, I'll miss him!

I am happy to see such a sensible and honest statement from you Beejj. I also agree that man has and is damaging the planet. But I see no need for a panicked response to a fabrcated crises. If we can find real, honest scientists with the best data they can obtain to examine each environmental problem scietifically, perhaps we can find solutions to the damage and fix it, polluted ground water for example. The global warming movement has led to things like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/14/frau...

which I hope the US and the rest of the world can avoid from now on.

Thank you, Sir W. The trouble with this damned global warming stuff is that it is so bewilderingly complex that to select just one factor from God knows how many - including "natural" ones - is to risk one's credibility. If only it were a matter of "simple" science! Even the best of the best (Newton, Einstein, Feynman, Dirac, Gell-Mann) would hesitate before coming to a conclusion. But then, I can't see anyone of their calibre taking part in the debate, can you? Interesting, that!

I thought you'd find this very interesting, if you haven't seen it already, Beejj

http://www.climategate.com/german-physicists-tr...

Thanks for replying,Beejj;I had forgotten about this thread to be honest.
Science not withstanding,I simply do not trust the self proclaimed action team of carbon clowns I witnessed in Copenhagen's Big Top to find a solution to anything.

Chis Gayle's fifth fastest century in Test history was a joy to behold;and it would be a sad state of affairs indeed if it was not applauded in the manner it was.I fear for the future of Test cricket as the "pyjama" form of the game (pyjamas:an Indian word not without irony in this case),ascends to the financial heavens.
Seems even fifty overs per innings is too tedious nowadays.It's a shame,patience was one cricket's virtues.
I can watch the "smash 'n' dash" in a pinch,though.It's bit of a hoot!

I also watched Gayle's innings Funky;absolutely sensational! agressive stroke play is just thrilling to watch.
And when one has an eye like Chris very effective!
There's talk of reducing 50 overs to 40.(have'nt much of opinion on that)
BTW Beej I don't know any cricket fans in the UK who think of Ricky as anything other than one of the most gifted cricketers of his generation.
The only event blotting his copybook was his tantrum on being run out by Gary Pratt in the 2005 Ashes.
I think the demise of Test Cricket is highly unlikely Funky;although the IPL has proven to be a massive money spinner on the subcontinent.
On the subject of AGW there was an excellent program hosted by a Scottish geologist which indicated that 10,000 yrs ago (the short drying) when the earth's temperature increased by 5 degrees over a period of just two years.
The turd world is of course asking for loads of money to get them onside.
It's a knotty problem based on the principle of; what if the sceptics are wrong, and furthermore, is it too late anyway?.
Copenhagen was an abject failure with dickheads like Chavez and Ghadafi putting their oar in;not to mention the usual painted peons of the warmist camp chanting and shouting their new religion.
Plimer was right in the sense that there should be a world debate with real scientists of the first world and ignoring the
extortionists of the third world.

Just watching Kevin Pietersen and Jonathan Trott closing out the draw for England.

Yes, HSB, they would have to be blind not to see Ponting's magnificence, but I'll never forgive them for booing him when he came on to bat during the recent Ashes series. It's time for the great man to hang up his bat, though. He should do a Marciano.

But Ricky is still Australia's best batsman!
The Australians need his expertise and not least
his leadership.
The new generation have a hard act to follow.(very hard)
Anyway back to the Muslims.
First ,planning permission was refused for pet food company(Petcare) to build a plant near Rugby;several Muslims objected on the basis that gaseous porcine products would condense upon them from the planned 30metre
chimney.(not a bad idea that?if you want to get rid of Muslims in your area build a little smokery for your bacon)
Jihad "the musical"is to open in the west end.
It made its debut at the Edinburgh festival 2 years ago.
Naturally the Muslim community is opposed.

Cool, Cricket! I was a founding member of the Mimbaz Cricket Association, the Dutch foreign ministry team. Cricket is actually a respected sport in Holland and to my suprise growing in Morocco. Unfortunately I am in Marrakech and the cricket clubs are in Rabat and Tanger, with Tanger having a world-class oval built by former Zimbabwe grounds-keepers. The English team trains there off-season. I was good at cricket at school and was a member of the Uni team and had even the pleasure of the great Australian Greg Chappel giving a coaching clinic for potential future Dutch players. I do not know if I ever would have become the all-rounder I dreamt of, because I was accepted into the service, but I was a good 3rd batsman and I think an excellent medium pacer that could change style enough to force an lbw or a bad hit. Those were the days. Ponting seems to be great, I don't get to watch much cricket on television channels. What I do get and when for me is a 2lt bottle of diet Coke and a bag or two of chips (not sure I am allowed that now). ps, have you noticed that the Windies are just unable to break out of pathetic mode this last decade?

On othe other topic, really? Local Muslims think they have the right to close down industry for such pathetic reasons? I wish I was there and would tell them how stupid and arrogant they are and the reality of life.

A cricket fan as well Solkhar I'm amazed!
But then cricket is very popular in Pakistan!it's not played there(internationals that is)any more after the religiously in clined t ried to murder the visiting Sri Lankan team.
That's one of the reasons I'm an atheist Solkhar;when religion turns people into murdering barbarians because of religious mental illness;then one has to believe that "faith" is both backward and immoral!
I feel sorry for people who ignore science and content themselves with ancient super stitions created by ill educated
third raters forcing people to believe the impossible with the sanction of death and suffering.

Free yourself Solkhar and dump your imbued fantasy of Arab folklore;the universe is mysterious and will continue to be so long after you and I are long gone!
There's only one true religion and that is science ! where revelation is ongoing and substantiated by logical investigation!
And not the mental meanderings of som e desert illiterate or indeed any other purveyor of mind stunting tripe.
Must stop now I've got to send a letter to Father Christmas!

Spot on, HSB, although I take issue with your description of science as religion. Perish the thought!

The Pakistanis are about to play a few Tests against the Aussies, so I am panting with anticipation. Remember the great Imran Khan? Aussie cricket has declined. Its bowlers are just journeymen who go through the motions, although this new quickie might bring salvation. Look at Ponting's recent scores. He's over the hill, alas. It must be terrible to get old ...............!

I meant science as a religion in the sense that science really does improve peoples lives;and is exciting because it's real.
Belief in competing hobgoblins to be lauded as items of deferrence,worship,and obeisance I consider to be a consummate waste of time, effort and money.
Surely to God(????)in a sophisticated society it would be a leap in progress if youngsters would apply their minds
to scientific endeavour rather than marking time for one's place in that geographically obscure location known as heaven.
I see religion as an uncessary brake to an individual's potential.
I'm proud of the fact that my children are infidels in the truest sense!
The last vestiges of "faith" were removed from my eldest when he mentioned that there may be some substance to intelligent design.
I was shocked to the core and mocked him for not applying himself to the absurdity of such a notion.
I'm pleased to say that upon reading the "god delusion" and "god is not great"that he admitted that he had been foolish in the extreme.
He now spends much of his free time reading books on physics and mathematics.(he has a first in engineering from Imperial);back on the straight and narrow of common sense.

BTW Imran was a truly great cricketer and captain (not just a pretty face!)
The Pakis have afew interesting youngsters;but I think it will be a while before a new team arises that have the dominance of the Aussies in the nineties (and up to 2005);or the West Indies in the late seventies and eighties.
There don't seem to be any Warnes or McGraths in the bowling;although there are a number of class batters around.
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Careful, Solkhar! That scoundrel G. Chappell has an underarm problem!