Video: Zuhdi Jasser vs Congressman Kieth Ellison

by Infidelesto on December 2, 2009 · Comments

rep_ellison_dr_jasser_photo_curtesy_ipt1This is really telling and something I’ve been stirred about since I started this blog.  What seems to be the hundreds and hundreds of posts I’ve done about so-called “moderates” in the Muslim community, I’ve been waiting and waiting for an American Muslim to come forward and recognize the problem within Islam and actively start going after the radicals within and standing with other Americans who are deeply concerned about political Islam and the effects it can have on Western society.

If you are a regular reader, you’ve probably heard me before mention Zhudi Jasser of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy.  I believe he is that guy we, concerned Americans (including all freedom-loving westerners around the world) have been waiting for.

When things like this happen, they must be recognized.  What better than to go straight to the only Muslim congressman and debate the problem within Islam.

Bravo Mr. Jasser.

There are 9 parts to the whole discussion and rather long I might add, but I wanted to bring to your attention to part 5 which is worth watching.

Part 1 and part 2 are Jasser’s statements (which are definitely worth your time if you have it) and part 3 and part 4 are Keith Ellison responding (the typical Islamist response condemning anyone who speaks ill of Islam as “haters” and “bigots”).

But part 5 is Jasser’s rebuttal to Ellison which I think is really important.  I want you to hear how a MUSLIM responds to another Muslim in calling him out on his propaganda BS about Islamism. What’s unique about this is this is exactly what we in the anti-jihad community have been waiting for.  Someone to really, and I mean REALLY speak out against the Islamist apologizers in the West.  Like Jasser’s puts it, It’s a Muslim problem and can be solved by Muslims only.  I’ve been saying that for years about “moderates” yet most of the so called “moderates” I’ve always come across only care about attacking my concerns about the issues rather than standing with us and looking at the problem within their own communities.

Zuhdi Jasser is the kind of Muslim I sincerely appreciate.

Here it is:

I’d love to hear your guys’ comments.

I know many of you say regardless of what Jasser says, “it’s still Islam”.

I don’t see it like that.  If we had the MAJORITY of westernized Muslims speaking out the way Jasser does, maybe there is a chance at reform.

Listen especially to what Jasser says in part1 and 2 where he talks about political Islam and the threats it poses to the west.  Sure I may not agree in the belief system of worshiping a brutal murderer and pedophile in Mohammed (and I’m sorry if that offends Jasser, but that’s my opinion), but at the same time, they have every right to believe whatever they want as long as the political system is not forced on our society.

We need more Zuhdi Jassers across the planet and I hope he can be a beacon of hope for all of the other silent Muslims around the world he believe the same way he does.

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  • ADIZZY999
    What a great speaker, but islam is still an ideology and not a religion. When all muslims stand up and say NO!!! We do not want to kill all the Jews so we can have our judgement day. When they stop condoning paedophilia, then may be, just maybe we can start to accept their hideous ideology as their way of life, as long as they dare not try to impose it on us civilised people.
  • solkhar
    Arthur,

    Yes I agree that the Muslim World is by far not doing enough to stop the extremists and radicals and say the "no". Your comments about paedophilia and "hideous ideology" is though very wrong.

    I think, your comments reflect an acceptance of propoganda or that you are simply unaware, though, of the reality on the ground in the Muslim world. All Muslim countries are neither Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

    There is a level of "no" that of course the MSM does not want to show as it does not sell copy or ratings as good as violence and though again it is not enough, it exists but in differing ways.

    The majority of Muslim countries, for example, do not have Shari'a Law legal systems but Secular systems, that in itself is a vote by both governments and the population that they do not want it, as it does not reflect the modern world or reality of life of today. Almost all Muslim countries bar five of them have outlawed all the terrorist groups and would arrest say Osama Bin Laden or any other terrorist on proscribed lists immediately - that shows the vast majority of Muslims and their governments reject terrorism. All but 7 Muslim countries have laws stating that marriage has to be consentual and from the age of 16 (or higher) - a sign that Muslims and their Governments accept that this is not the 7th century. All of these countries are certainly "as Muslim as" the others but they are rejecting radicalism and terrorism.

    Having said that, there is so much more that has to be done, needs to be done and I am sure will be done, if the battle against radicalism is won.

    Please, consider the reality on the ground, the real and dangerous terrorists, extremists and other radical groups are out there, mostly now not in the Muslim world but in the West, but they represent themselves.
  • Lawrence
    Jasser is not much different, he's just cashing in on the very lucrative anti-jihad sentiment right now... recall, he was against the Flying Imams before he was vindicating them...he calls himself "a devout" Muslim and others have taken him to task...

    No doubt Ellison is border line Hamas and a traitor of immense proportions, but watch Jasser carefully. Research those who have challenged and exposed him.
  • Lawrence
    Jasser is not much different, he's just cashing in on the very lucrative anti-jihad sentiment right now... recall, he was against the Flying Imams before he was vindicating them...he calls himself "a devout" Muslim and others have taken him to task...

    No doubt Ellison is border line Hamas and a traitor of immense proportions, but watch Jasser carefully. Research those who have challenged and exposed him.
  • Beejj
    There are essentially two types of Muslims: those who are in a hurry, and those who take things at a more leisurely pace. They travel the same road and believe that all roads must ultimately lead to Mecca. The hot heads are more obvious, but the others are, in the long term, more effective and deadly.
  • solkhar
    A sad comment in many aspects. The very incorrect over-simplification and generalisation of all Muslims being one, and the ussumption of some negative, evil conspiracy theory behind the motives of all Muslims the other.

    It is reminiscent of "all gooks are the same", "all niggers are alike" or in fact very much like the propoganda given about how Jews act, what they are all like and their sinister and evil motives. Like the rhetoric of Nazis and others, such bigotted superiority has no place in this modern world, along with religious extremism, political militancy and other forms of radicalism.
  • Beejj
    Solkhar, I wrote in haste. I omitted the word "deem".
  • Beejj
    Solkhar, I have already responded to that which you you wrote me, but I have not the slightest doubt my words will do not an ounce of good. Muslims are deaf and blind to reason. Reason is a foreign concept to the Muslim mind. Islam despises reason. Reason is its abiding enemy. You, like all believers of the poison spouted by the vile monster you deem to be the one who spoke God's mind, cannot see beyond his private agenda - his ability to mould the feeble minds of those who lusted for power to become his acolytes, the otherwise no-hopers who might rise to influence under his banner. It was their only way to achieve power. It drives the Taliban and bin Laden's boys, and it fuels the fires of consuming hatred that shoots rockets into Israel, and flies aeroplanes to destroy innocent American lives, and slaughters Australian holiday-makers, and murders Olympic athletes, and kills families on planes over Scotland, and eradicates irreplaceable Buddhist monuments, and programmes innocent children to become murderers, and does likewise to intellectually-challenged women, and abides honour murder and mutilation of girls, and fosters murder by stoning and the cutting-off of hands, and the subjugation of women, and the denial of the rights we, of the civilised world, to be the birthright of females, and the right of all to choose their own religion. Islam's catalogue of horrors should cause you naught but shame. For all its grisly past, Christianity can hold its head high when it compares itself with you mongrels. You want my opinion of you? In a word, FILTH. Believe me, there is no-one on this site who so deeply despises Islam as I. I have lived a long time. I have seen the world's triumphs and failures. I do my damnedest to see see good, even if its search demands an electron microscope, but Islam is the very essence of evil. It has no equal as far as destruction of good and tenderness are concerned. It is the greatest pox humanity has ever faced. Believe me: if i could, with the press of a button, wipe out ever vestige of your loathsome religion, I would. I despise and loathe everything you stand for. Your religion, as you call it, is an affront to human intelligence and everything it aspires to. Islam is slavery. Islam chains the human mind. Islam blinds. Islam is evolution in reverse.
  • solkhar
    As far as I am concerned you just proved my point. You have just emotively repeated the same story over and over again that we all know about exsiting radicalsm, extremists and terrorist and have made no point whatsoever about it representing the faith instead of man just continuing to do horrible things under the name of God like he has done in all religouns and faith since the year dot.

    Thus, I repeat, your constant simplifications and over-generalising of "those Muslims" is just like those that say 'those chinks, gooks, nips, wogs and niggers' if not smelling of Goebbels comments about the sub-humans he accused Jews of being. No difference whatesover.
  • JEWHAWK
    Isn't there any differences ?

    REALLY ?

    Jews were INNOCENT.
    Muslims are GUILTY.

    Jews are USEFUL.
    Muslims are DANGEROUS and SAVAGES.

    Jews don't issue FATWAS,don't wage JIHAD,don't commit HONOR KILLINGS,don't BEHEAD or STONE people.
    Muslims DO all that.

    The mere comparison between Muslims to Jews is a JOKE.

    We've got SIGMUND FREUD. Muslims got Al Zawahiri.
    We've got FRANZ KAFKA. Muslims got the "SHOE BOMBER".

    Muslims belong to a fetid cesspool.They aren't even worthy to
    breath the same air I do.
    Leeches are much more likable than those DESPICABLE muslims.

    That's the TRUTH.
  • Bronwyn
    If you actually read what was written above, you would have to acknowledge that Beejj has issued a damning judgment on Islam because of the deeds of its adherents.Nintey nine per cent of all the terrorists in the world are Muslim. You must take responsibility for your deeds and for your silence when silence speaks. We are all known by our deeds and Muslims are no exception. It is why your doctrine is hated. It is why you are hated.The world stood ready to accept Muslims, if you had behaved yourselves. Your lust for power and your hacking off of limbs, breasts, ears, poking out of eyes and the brutal slaughter and rape of your own children made the world despise you. This is not prejudice. This is reasonable. Look at the list of atrocities that Beejj recited. Each one of them is accurate and verifiable. For 1400 years this noxious doctrine has been raping pillaging humanity and disfiguring the human soul.

    You arrive and say that you have figured it out. It is only the Koran that is acceptable.If only the unwashed saw Islam as you do, you whine. You are absurd. When the poison of the Koran is pointed out to you, you say that we misconstrue, if only we knew Arabic, if only we would pretend to see the subtle, distinctions that exist only in your tortured defense of the indefensible. You never answer the argument that your opinions are too unusual to constitute even a minority view,and are very likely wrong as the overwhelming majority of Muslims and the plain meaning of the Muslim texts are against you. You nod and smile at Islam because you had the misfortune to be born into it and you cannot bear the shame of admitting what a cesspool the doctrine is. Yes, Islam is unreformable and its diseased heart is violence and misery.
    Black Americans, Jews, Chinese, were not discriminated against on the basis of their deeds but on the basis of their race. Adherents of Islam stand rightly condemned, whatever their race or class. We judge their deeds and their adherence to the lunatic justifications of a seventh century thug that they venerate. Islam is ugly as you venerate your favorite terrorist with your tails in the air and your minds wallowing in dirt.
  • solkhar
    I read the above, like I read your texts, unlike what the two of you do for my posts. I still come down to the very same and obvious conclusion, both of you have proved my point to no end.

    Both of you simply put give emotive tirades based on "current events" which though are mostly real are misrepresenting the sum total of the reality on the ground, but then you chose to support the MSM when it suits you and condemn it at other times.

    Both of you base your events also on a select history, avoiding again the sum total of histories of all peoples and then when that is pointed out, return to the argument that your not interested in history only current events. That double-standard constantly falls flat to basic academic truths, statistics and an understanding of the realities.

    Both of your rediculous arguments based on religous texts and so-called histories of the founder of Islam are based on 1) the rantings of a select minority of hate-for-profit or hate-for-political agender BS artists that alone discredits your points let alone the simple facts that you read, judge and condemn texts based on the absurd assumption that you must take all of it as an instruction for today and the message for today - literally, when you do not do the same for other religous texts, particularly the Old Testiment, Torah and the like. Double standards appears to be the continued name of the game.

    Lastly, you both assume that your text-book bigotry, classic naivity, pick & chose tactics, and xenophobic ranting are defendable and excusable yet would never consider that much of the problems of this world is in fact just that.

    I find the arrogance in ths last post of yours not just shocking but demeaning to the far larger majority of more realistic, morally high and logical individuals that your world actually produces. Your presumptions, assumptions and towing the indefensible BS that you have shown is simply over-the-top. For someone who has assumed that I was "born Muslim" (if that is an excuse) and I am not, talks about deeds - but only those that they want to, loves throwing condemning narrative - but does not know the subject at all, it is safe to say that you deserve pitty.

    Since I am sure you ony read the first five lines and like all the other responses ingored the rest, I can only hope that by sheer luck you have made it this far so that I can again point out what I have said from the beginning. Yep, right now the majority of conflict and major focus is on terrorism and conflicts with militant islamists. Your saying that the majority of the world's terrorist activiity - 90 per cent is wrong at the later, the majority yes, the percentage is far less. Again there is no denying that the radicalism, extremism and violence that has taken over the - or should I say, my Muslim world is undeniable, but your arguments, wild and mad rantings of you and some others would be laughable if it was no sickingly foolish.

    To repeat, you both proved my point and you both obviously have taken Engvall to heart and have chosen to wear signs.













  • Beejj
    No, Solkhar, not a sad comment, but a depressingly accurate and alarming one. Don't hide behind fallacious "comparisons" such as "all gooks are alike". Muslims are, at guts level, alike because they all follow the rantings of the great murderer. He is their focal point. Mohammed, who had his own slant on getting stoned.
  • Martureo
    Listen to what Robert Spencer had to say about Dr. Jasser (fast forward to 1:12): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om3TmivE704
  • JEWHAWK
    " It’s a Muslim problem and can be solved by Muslims only "

    Dear Infidelesto, if that's the case, we are as good as dead.
    Let's assume that only 1% of all muslims are bent to terrorism...
    Let's assume that the muslim infestation has 1,57 Billion individuals...

    1% of 1,57 Billion = 15,7 MILLION.

    15,7 Million terrorists and its hardcore supporters and financiers WON´T be
    convinced that they are wrong by decent people such as Mr.Jasser.

    Unfortunately Mr.Jasser is an IRRELEVANT voice, maybe part of a muslim
    PR propaganda to show "that not all muslims are radicals".


    I didn't buy that.














  • solkhar
    The percentage argument needs to be clarified a bit better and all agendas need to be taken out of it, be it your own or from others. The assumption, that you are showing, that all Muslims are following a similar agenda is simply something that does not stick. There are enough varients, loyalities, political factions, national and cultural identies to discredit that argument once and for all.

    Back to percentage.

    When people try and say oh, 1.57 billion muslims, makes 10 per cent or 1 per cent equal a certain figure, they are over-simplifying things that make any resulting analysis unworkable and unrealistic.

    We can say easily cut the figure in half by gender, people love to say that the females in Islam are not releveant or a factor, thus take them out. Then we can take out infants and the elderly and chop another 30 per cent, considering the high birth-rates thus leaving the 1.57 billion into no more than 400 million men and youth whom are the vast bulk of potential active, fighting terrorists. Thus if you use the figure of 10 per cent or your 1 per cent the figure is between 4 and 40 million people that activelly seeking or directly supporting that radicalism and extremism that is so dangerous and unacceptable. Personnaly I think it is 4 million real radicals and 36 million brainwashed devotees to that cause.

    It is true that in the end it is the Muslims themselves that must fix the problem and as I put in the item on the other link, the great disaster that has followed all such happenings is that the bulk of humanity sits on its backside and waits for some events or group to have its collective moral conscious and change it for the better.

    They must start that movement themselves, until they do that themselves they are associated by default..









  • JEWHAWK
    " Personnaly I think it is 4 million real radicals and 36 million brainwashed devotees to that cause."

    Ahhhh, now I can sleep better ! " ONLY " four million muslim terrorists...I could live (or die) with that
    conforting figure.

    In Gaza, women who'd lost their sons as "martyrs" (suicide-bombers) said they are PROUD and
    EAGER to have MORE sons to follow their example.
    Gazan children collect and trade shahid's pictures, regarded by them as HEROES.

    Once again you came in here to WHITEWASH your putrid death-loving sect, that fully endorses
    TERRORISM against us, the INFIDELS.

    You're damn right that they are associated by default, including YOU.
  • Beejj
    Sorry, JH. I never was much of a typist. Putrid, not "purtid"!
  • Beejj
    Purtid. Good word, that, when it comes to describing anything pertaining to Islam. Competitors might be toxic and noxious and cancerous and debilitating and soul-destroying and evil and foul and enslaving and crushing and weakening and suffocating and limiting and restricting and threatening and frightening and bullying and .............. I'll try to think of more. Is there any wonder victims of Islam ceased to contribute to intellectual advancement 1200 years ago? Thank God for the Jews!
  • Elise
    Did anyone think that Ellison may agree with the Brotherhood and that's why he supports them? Its not a political free speech issue with him,its who he is.
  • Of course he does. He supports CAIR which is an American front group for the Muslim Brotherhood.

    I encourage you to read the other posts I've done about Ellison.

    http://infidelsarecool.com/kieth-ellison/
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