Homegrown Islamist Terror on the Rise in 2009 *update* CBS blames it on “Anti-Muslim Propaganda”

by Infidelesto on December 15, 2009 · Comments

2009 was the coming out year for homegrown terrorists in America.  10 cases in all.  There’s been a total of 30 cases since 9-11 and a third of them have been in 2009 alone….and they’re just getting started.

Look for that number to go even higher in 2010.

An undated picture shows a young man identified as Ramy Zamzam, who police say was one of the five Americans arrested in Pakistan in a terror plot.

An undated picture shows a young man identified as Ramy Zamzam, who police say was one of the five Americans arrested in Pakistan in a terror plot.

The five young Americans accused last week of traveling from Washington to Pakistan to wage jihad cap what appears to be a record year for homegrown terror plots, exposing a dangerous trend that experts say poses the biggest challenge America’s security officials have ever faced.

Not including the Pakistan case, the Rand Corporation says that of the nearly 30 homegrown terror plots uncovered in the U.S. since Sept. 11, 2001, 10 surfaced in this year alone, including two actual attacks — in Little Rock, Ark. and Fort Hood, Texas.

That puts “the level of activity in 2009 much higher than that of previous years,” Rand Senior Adviser Brian Jenkins told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee last month.

“There’s definitely a rise in jihad recruits and volunteers in the United States, whether they’re concerning plots here in the U.S. or whether they involve material support to terror plots overseas,” says counterterrorism analyst Steve Emerson, author of “American Jihad: The Terrorists Living Among Us.”

*Update* Naturally, CBS has this thoughtful explanation of why there’s a rise in Jihadism in the US:

On the CBS Evening News on Saturday, correspondent Kimberly Dozier reported on a recent rise in homegrown Islamic extremism in the United States and explored the motivation behind it: “… terrorism experts agree militant Islam is becoming an American problem….the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan make potent recruiting tools. They’re portrayed by the militants as America’s war on Islam.”

Dozier went on to cite American bigotry as another cause: “Muslim community leaders here say young people are also being driven to extremes by post-9/11 anti-Muslim propaganda like this.” An obscure anti-Muslim video was played as she continued: “And rising incidents of genuine anti-Muslim discrimination. Civil rights complaints have jumped 10 percent in just the past year, according to the Council on American Islamic Relations.” (Citing CAIR as a source is about as laughable as the original point made – ed)

While using C.A.I.R. as a credible source, Dozier only briefly mentioned the organization’s radical ties: “There’s been tension between the FBI and the Council over alleged links to militant groups which it denies.” She then offered a dismissive statement from C.A.I.R.: “It says U.S. authorities should start using the Muslim community as a resource, not an adversary, to help it police its own.”

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  • Obama couldn't have said it better. Blame it on us bigoted American folks and of course give CAIR a pass. But what can we really expect them the Obama News Network. Its no different then how they handled the Acorn scandal. Simply ignored it as well as Climategage. We have Socialist and Communist running washington, and the same mentality running most of the news media networks. Thanks to sites like yours and others on the web, folks can still find out the truth. I'm still waiting for the Obama networks to call Maj hasan, the jihadist at Ft. Hood, a terrorist. We wouldn't want to offend our muslim neighbors now would we. lol
  • solkhar
    Home-grown Muslim terrorism will continue to grow in America, not because of the equally-growing agenda-based anti-Muslim rhetoric, but simply because of the lack to balls and willingness by authorities to offer strict conditions to Muslim immigrants and particularly Muslim groups within the United States.

    Like Europe, the US also shot itself in the foot in the early 1970s by allowing easy access to "political assylum seekers" as some form of diplomatic slap-in-the-face of some countries because they chose to manage oil prices themselves. Instead of grateful refugees, they got extremists, militants and genuine criminals who have no had almost 40 years to establish themselves and their followers.

    CAIR and almost all other groups need to be abolished, their organisation told what they can and cannot support and that they need to commit themselves to American ideals, standards and morality or they will not be allowed to be recreated.

    To say that it is propoganda that is the cause for the support and participation in terrorism is just an excuse to "not make waves". Yes, propoganda exists, yes it is horrible or pathetic - just look at some comments here, but to avoid the blame were it deserves - infiltration and established radicalism.
  • Beejj
    You say that the US should "offer" strict conditions to Muslim immigrants and Muslim groups within the United States. What strict conditions? Constant surveillance of US Muslims? How could that be achieved? Would Americans permit such a thing? What about your proposed strict conditions imposed on immigrants? What form would this take? I hardly think an immigrant baddie would advertise the fact. It is all too easy for scoundrels to gain admittance to an open society such as America's. In short, expand on how America can grow the balls you say it lacks, short of establishing something akin to the religious police of Iran and Saudi. Abolition of CAIR is an excellent idea, but the baddie out on the street will not care a hoot. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the US communications media were somehow forced to give proper coverage to the many outrages committed daily by those Obama so reveres? This would, at a stroke, awaken the American populace to the dangers it faces and tend to put under the microscope the would-be destroyers of what America holds dear.
  • solkhar
    I never mentioned the word constant surveillence of US Muslims, did I? Again, putting words into other posts that are not there, please be careful.

    Strict conditions, that I believe in, should be the same that European nations should also do. New Immigrants must sign contracts to "uphold, support and even protect" the "standards and morals of the country". I would go as far as demanding that they must show with evidence of attempting to integrate" I do not expect a 60yr old grandmother to do so successfully, but as long as she showed that she tried. Such a contract for me provides three benefits. It sets a condition that becomes a valid and legal excuse to simply kick people out. Secondly, it becomes the basis for a minimum standard and requirement for future immigrants and thirdly it also becomes an obvious platform for communities to base their creations. I do not want, for example, immigrants coming to my country, The Netherlands to turn it into their version of their agenda that is alien to the Dutch culture. It certaily is happening and I deteste it. But I am also a realist. If my country is accepting immigration, then it also has to expect that some of that culture will rub off. It is how much, how fast and which ones that the country must control to ensure the rights ones that strengthen it. The Netherlands is, if you go there, has a "tang of Surinamese hidden behind a strong flavour of Indonesian" - a popular saying in Amsterdam.

    Muslims in my country should be Dutch, like I said in another thread, they should have a Western Muslim Identity, not a Muslim Western Identity.

    Musim organisations should reflect the standards and morals of the country, based on those same standards of immigration. CAIR does not reflect that and it has way to many links to questionable organisations and even extremist organisations that makes it even the more eligitimate. They are following the theocratical line, even though they say they are moderate and that in most cases will never work. They are in America and the US standards and morals do not support radical theological values. Though there are religous organisations in the US, they are involved in politics, all the others have integrated those US values that accept US laws and standards.

    The same is possible amongst Muslims in the US, they as an organisation can collectively express the obvious conservative family values that Muslims will have - appose abortion for example, they can even and should lobby government like other groups - but that is as far as it goes. Other faiths always show a level of American Identity and patriotism and if Muslim groups cannot do that, they do not deserve to exist. All this does not mean that Islamic ideals must be given-up, there are non whatesoever are incompatible, any Muslim that says so is in fact a hypocrit and confusing culture and his original nation's politics - which they often do.

    What about those existing Muslim groups that are supporting or are infiltrated by radicals, and your comments about not advertising themselves? Actually it is possible to monitor them, that is what the FBI has been doing for all various groups and I expect them and support them to not only continue but to expand that on all Muslim communities and entities. Does that suprise you? I have a very strong view on standards, morals and Qur'anic examples. The objective of a Mosque is to represent the community and its authorities as much as its followers. In the real and existing Muslim world, the government participates in the Mosque, ensuring that important messages are given on Friday sermons. Most have a choice or a veto right on who is the Imam. So why not in America, The Netherlands or elsewhere? For me, any Islamic school should open each day in America with the rasing of the Stars and Stripes and singing the anthem! Why should not the Mosque on Friday give local news and changes of town policies? A mosque should be a polling booth on election day.

    That is what the US and Western governments should be demanding, encouraging and supporting. There should be clear message saying that if you can do these things, you are more than welcome and we look forward to your participation, but if you cannot or your unwilling, your not welcome, you will not be supported nor accepted in any format. There should be an American Muslim Identity, not a Muslim American Identity. The goal should be for American Muslim Imams, born, trained and patriotic running American mosques.

    I am 100 per cent certain, that such an offer of active support and encouragement along with condtions and demands would be accepted by most Muslim residents, they will understand the demand if it is made clear and very quickly the bad eggs will become evident and then the targetting and monitoring will become easier.
  • Beejj
    I am beginning to think you are mentally deficient. Where, in my post, did I say that you said anything about constant surveillance? And you say that I do not read posts thoroughly???

    Do you honestly believe that a Muslim blackguard, bent on mischief, would change his spots because he had signed a piece of paper? I don't. How many Muslims are there in the US? Do you believe the FBI is capable of monitoring more than a small fraction of them? I don't. In order to achieve this, the US would have to set up something on the scale of the old KGB. Very unAmerican. I wish I could agree with you when you express 100% confidence in the processes you recommend, but I cannot. Bad guys too often are as cunning as the shit-house rat, as we say in Australia, and it takes only a small number of them to wreak havoc.
  • solkhar
    Beejj, you said the following "What strict conditions? Constant surveillance of US Muslims? "

    Now, as for hard-liners and the "bad guys" as you put it will always hide, they are in fact "the enemy". That is the conflict that we will all have to fight.

    The US has in the past and has a good record of past close and careful monitoring of the population. These days it is easier then in the 50's with the anti-communism events, or other times. Technology makes for better tracing, profiling systems are better. I am not saying it is easy, I am not saying that there should be mass surviellence but that there can be a huge increase and process implementation and I am the first one to recommend it.

    It is not un-American, there are precedents in the past and the capacity and it would be dangerous not to.

    Cunning bad guys, as mentioned, are the issues, and if a good system of monitoring and care is done, then all the more concentration on identifying them can be done. Add to that, with that going on and an improvement in the identity and support from the bulk of the Muslim population in America, you will get their support in identifying the dangerous ones.

    The signing of a paper is in fact important. As I clearly said, it has multiple results, if anything it at least gives the moral and legal excuse for authorities to smack bad-eggs. Then you get other factors like the fact that people like saying yes when they mean no but when they sign something legal, it becomes something else..... it raises the stakes.
  • Beejj
    Correct. I said it. I did not say that you said it, but you claim that I said that you said it. Got that?
  • Storm_Rider
    Now it appears that the most un-American lying propagandist for totalitarian Islam is defining for us what is un-American. I have an image of Goebbels blogging here in 1944, and advising us on what is un-American, while at the same time his Nazi troops were gunning down our prisoners at the Battle of the Bulge.
  • Beejj
    Ah, dear old Storm Rider, you unfailingly hit the spot!
  • hellosnackbar
    Little does he know,that you know what he knows;and if he knows what you know; then he would know a little!
  • hellosnackbar
    The shit house rat!aah Beej! nothing like good honest Australian description when it comes to delineating facts!
  • Beejj
    Notice the "THE" in the Aussie saying "Cunning as the shit-house rat." Not "A". Don't you just love it? Australians have lots of brilliant sayings. They have a rare gift for it. When they see a dressed-up Sheila, they reckon she's "tarted up like a snake in a bottle."
  • hellosnackbar
    Barry Humphries used to write a cartoon series in PrivateEye that I enjoyed.(Barry McKenzie)
    Some of the expressions(bone orchard,pointing Percy at the porcelain)and some others that are perhaps a little too coarse for this family blog.
    BTW what's happened to Colin"bloody"Wilson;I've heard nothing about him in years>
  • Steve Rogers
    "Muslims in my country should be Dutch, like I said in another thread, they should have a Western Muslim Identity, not a Muslim Western Identity."

    What the Hell does that mean?

    Again, You use a bunch of words to say a Bunch of Nothing.
  • solkhar
    Steve, your inabilty to understand stuff is frankly your problem. But to spell it out, just for you, there is a big difference between the two and that is what is needed to be undrstood.

    Muslim Western Identity implies no support or recognition of the culture and values of the West and is open to influences from outside.

    Western Muslim Identity means recognition and support of the cultural identity and values of the West and that any potential influences from outside are secondary or negated.

    I have told others that many times, they all understood, what is your problem?
  • Steve Rogers
    May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your mothers armpits.
  • Steve Rogers
  • hellosnackbar
    Who is this Dozier person?
    She seems like she is too dosy to work for Al Jazeera let alone CBS.
    Just recently I've been watching Fox news(I know it's your favourite JH).
    But all those crazy blowhards like Beck, Hannity,and O'Reilly aren't fit to run a children's news channel.
    What happened to world class acts like Ted Koppel?
    It's like listening to the British Sun in television form;in short"tabloid television"
  • JEWHAWK
    " But all those crazy blowhards like Beck, Hannity,and O'Reilly aren't fit to run a children's news channel "

    Unfortunately I disagree with your severe assessment of those FOX News' folks.
    I think they are GREAT.
    Patriots. Serious. Preachers of the good, 'ol COMMON SENSE, a rarity nowadays.

    Dear Hellosnackbar, TV is being dominated by hordes of COMMUNISTS and
    followers of the damned POLITICALLY CORRECT CULT.
    Brazilian TV is also plagued with Politically Correct B.S, so my sole
    refuge of SANITY is exactly FOX News !
    I feel like I'm in an island surrounded by a whole sea of IDIOCY, BOLSHEVISM and ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA... watching Hannity, Beck, Stossel and O'Reilly simply gives me HOPE
    in humanity.

    I do HATE BBC and CNN. Both are FECES disguised as TV channels, but not as
    STINKY as the British " THE GUARDIAN ", by far, the WORST of them all as a
    news outlet.
  • hellosnackbar
    Agree with you about Al Guardian.
    I tried to read it at an airport some 10 yearsago but after about 3 minutes could not continue;lacking an anti- emetic;at the time!
  • Tonto
    I think I agree with you on FOX. The MSM here sucks up to the liberal political machine and can't seem to "get" the idea that the silent majority is very much more conservative than they are, irregardless of "party affiliations". I was at tea parties where I met folks that were of all ages, backgrounds and political bent. There were Democrats, Republican and Libertarians and independents....all saying the same things, and agreeing! They were actually very friendly gatherings of people trying to get a conservative viewpoint across to our politicians, nothing like the mouth foaming and violent leftist "protest/riots" we've seen in the 70s, or more recently, at the finance summit. Though Beck gets crazy and O'Reilly acts pompous sometimes, the point is, they are the only MSM station that refutes the liberals and brings up pertinent questions....and questions is exactly what we need right now. Think about it....why is the left so upset and defensive about the questions that FOX brings up? Is it that they have an agenda to hide? I think so!!!
  • Storm_Rider
    Tonto, have you ever tried to actually write down the agenda of the American "Left?" Well, I'll tell you; someone has already written it down:

    “The proletariat (non-disabled poor) will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie (Middle Class), to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state (Federal Government Intellectuals)… Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property... You must, therefore, confess that by "individual" you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.” Karl Marx

    http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/mani...

    The American Left has a problem; our Constitution does not give Federal Government the power to redistribute property from those who work to those who don't - in return for votes - coercive social engineering. Marxist Socialism is not for the general welfare of all Americans equally; it is for the specific welfare of chosen classes, particularly the proletariat class and the Marxist ruling class.

    “I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites (Federal Government Intellectuals and the Proletariat Class) living on the labor of the industrious (Middle Class).” Thomas Jefferson

    “Government big enough to supply everything you need (for Federal Government Intellectuals and the Proletariat Class) is big enough to take everything you have (from the Middle Class).” Thomas Jefferson

    “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work (Middle Class) and give to those who would not (Federal Government Intellectuals and the Proletariat Class).” Thomas Jefferson

    “The two enemies of the people are criminals and (criminal) government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.” Thomas Jefferson

    Marxist Socialism is un-Constitutional; it is treason.















  • Tonto
    The election of Obama and his activity since assuming office have kick started a movement here though. The appearance of Palin was a real lightning bolt too. Look at the left's reaction to her! I would venture to say that not a whole lot of folks really understand the left's agenda, as in "Communist Manifesto" because the left couches it's BS in terms of "it's for the poor" or "it's saving the world for the children". The "children" thing is always the first big clue that the sentence is probably pure BS. Nobody knows what the left's feelings are about militant islam is. I suspect that militant islam would be as firmly squashed as in Russia, China and Korea, where nothing is allowed to deviate from the red agenda, not that religion gets any respect at all under communism as it is seen as a "non-sanctioned system of alternate control". Personally, I'm very comfortable with our system of secular control and religious freedom. I have contempt for most organized religions of any variety and have the freedom to believe what I want to and worship without rules or strange rituals. Islam would never work here, and never work in a commie society. I have no idea how militant muz think they can get anywhere with either society. All I see from islam is strange attitudes and pesky troubles. They irritate me.
  • solkhar
    A question, is Al Jazeera International - the English language program - on cable yet in the US or is it still banned? Basically, is it available for watching?

    When I go to the US, now only once a year, it is to Pittsburg and then over to San Diego, with family. Both use dishes so they have access to some of the multitude of channels I have, but they do get A-J both in English and Arabic.

    Just curious, this is not at all an opinion of the channel, mine is mixed by the way.
  • hellosnackbar
    I watch Al Jazeera occasionally and was delighted when the feisty Wafa Sultan appeared in debate with some half wit Imam.
    She made him so angry that his body language indicated that he would have assaulted her if given the opportunity.
    In recent times Al jazeera seems to avoid controversy involving apostates; as any derrogation of Islam would appear too hurtful for the faithful to endure.
    But that's the problem!
    Islamic believers are far too sensitive to raw criticism;they become very huffy when their precious faith is castigated as fanciful nonsense;and beg for undeserved respect.
    I'm a dyed in the wool atheist Solkhar;but observe the golden rule.
    I have no issues with religious people who do!;but mad zealots who believe that it is their duty to coerce people like me to respect their sensitivities ;and their illogical mores; and their backward superstitions leave me cold.
    I'm their enemy and will oppose them every inch of the way.
    I see Islam as a philosophical abomination;and upon till now have aquired no evidence to alter my mindset.

    .
  • solkhar
    Thanks for that, so I can assume from what you tell me that Al Jazeera International in English is now on cable for all to see ?
    I cannot agree with you more about zealots! Add to that I begrudge no person their faith or belief structure, as for me faith is a personal issue and more than that changes everything, mostly for the worse.
    One of the reasons for living in Morocco is that they do not care about how often or if you go to the Mosque on Fridays or not. Certainly large families put pressure and judge their kin, but away from that you are free to worship as you like and to what level you like.
    I have two examples of my past that shows you how bad it can get in some places, you will find that very interesting I think.
    In Saudi Arabia, they make more of an issue if you go or not, it is just in the social fabric that if your not heading towards a mosque at prayer time that either your up-to-something or on important business and be sure they all want to know what. Saudi’s love to know everyone else’s business. The other thing is that when they know you’re a western-born “white Muslim” they all want to tell you how and to what level of faith you must show. I tell them that I am a very happy, faithful and confident Sinast (someone who does not identify to a particular haddith-based group), they all quickly so “oh” and I am alone. Yeah!!
    But what takes the cake is Iran. The first time I visited that place, I had just been posted to Ankara in Turkey with responsibility of reporting on certain issues in Iran. So I arrived on a Friday – the weekend there is Thursday and Friday – and I was tired and a bit ill, in a very bad mood and I just went direct to the hotel and slept. I was rudely awaken by pounding on my hotel door by the Religious Police whom barged into the room and one guy who spoke English condemned me for being a liar and a western spy and told me they were arresting me. They said that I did not go the Mosque and thus I am a liar and not a Muslim. I lost it. I literally said, since he spoke pretty good English to “get f*cked and crawl back into the sh*t-hole that he obviously came from”. He was stunned. I then showed him my own prayer carpet that I use, that it is haram to call another Muslim a “kafir” and “anyhow I am Sunni and I would not poison my prayer by having paintings and posters of Ayatollahs in my face”. Only then did I shove my diplomatic passport in his face and told him I am going to complain. He left and on Saturday at work I got an apology. FYI, Sunni Muslims do not accept in any format images of people or animals in a mosque to ensure that they never become a part of any worship, Shi’ites venerate the 12 Imams and somehow Ayatollah Khomenei’s image is in some as well. A Shi’ite can prayer in a Sunni Mosque but not the other way around if images are there in the view of he direction you prayer at.
    I hate zealots and those that force their faith on you. Faith for me is personal and I begrudge no-one’s faith or beliefs. Since those experiences in the more hard-line Middle East – and in Pakistan were I was also for two years, when the Mormon missionaries or JW’s in Holland knock on my door in Rotterdam, I invite them in and show them what pussy cats they are! Kidding, when they ask me if I have been saved, I tell them that I have all the respect for their Prohpet Issa and they guess quick enough.
    Cheers.
  • hellosnackbar
    Aah;the religious police!!
    Is there a more absurd anachronism in the whole of the world?.
    The very existence of such ludicrous officialdom is one I use most frequently when winding up Muslims I meet.(especially when they start waxing lyrically about Islam's imagined virtues).
    There's a website called "the religious policeman"(muttada?).visit it Solkhar it's a hoot.
    I read a year or so ago, of a Canadian diplomat shopping in Saudi with his wife carrying a new born baby.
    Unfortunately the tent she was obliged to wear exposed a full view of her ankles.
    A religious policeman saw this and gave her a sharp blow on an ankle with a club he was carrying
    causing her to drop the baby.
    Overcome with fury(who wouldn't be?)the Canadian gave the retard a full body- weight right hook
    breaking the idiot's jaw.
    The Canadian was expelled from the KSA..









  • solkhar
    That is a laugh and I can believe it, add to that, I probably know that shopping centre in Riyadh that they were probably in because the Faisal Centre is about the only place non-Muslim foreigners are allowed to go. Thus, 60 per cent of the people in that centre at any given time are non-Muslims.
  • Beejj
    Doubtless they are wont to congregate there for a spot of socialising after attending their churches and synagogues.
  • funkybarfly
    That is quite brilliant,Beejj.
    Also the mall might provide an air-conditioned relief from the sandy furnace;not to mention a break from the constant fear of the consequences of looking at somebody sideways.
    Is there a greater pretender to nobility than the "king" of Saudi?
  • Beejj
    Not brilliant at all, but thank you for your encouragement, FBF. Can't you just see all Riyadh's multitudes of Jews and Christians congregating for tea or coffee while the locals look on smilingly and appreciatively? Without doubt they would approach the infidels to welcome them and tell them they are valued members of Saudi society, that enlightened body that so welcomes modernity and which relishes all that takes humanity to the next level. I am so filled with hope. I truly believe Islam's most rigorously conservative society is on the verge of accepting Hendrix and Lennon and Dylan and Whacko Jacko's sister as models for Saudi youth. In no time, believe me, you will see burka clad girls sporting Levi jeans ever so sexily on the streets of Mecca. Yum! Can't wait to get there!
  • Solkhar
    Add to that, all the black-stumps .....er Saudi Women with money jump on flights to Tunis or Casablanca, throw the black robes on the floor of the hotel and hire a car with the Lebanese or Jordanian drivers licenses they have and party it up.

    The really funny thing about that is they, unlike Maghrebi women, they dress in expensive colourful clothes that do not match and thus look like prostitutes, and are hassled to a point of tears.

    Even more funny there was this great piece about three wives whom desided to visit a friend now living in Morocco whom lived in Fez. So they left, did not meet the freind put just partied and had fun in Casablanca, even with bikini sunbaking on the beach. It was understood they did not engage in sexual tourism. At the airport they were detained though, why?

    The three husbands, chose to also go to Morocco on that long weekend, flying direct to Marrakech, and was there for sexual tourism and was arrested, as that industry is all but dead now here. The problem there was that their return flight was cancelled and they were rerouted to fly back on the same flight as the wives and the police from passports and addresses found out about the wives. It was all rather embarassing to them all, the media found it quite interesting!

    My thought was, the police should just have let them on the same flight and let them find out the natural way, but that could have been dangerous. Saudi Arabia may not have that many wife-killers in jail but they certainly have jails full of husband-mutilating wives!!! Saudi women can get as nasty as their husbands!

    Cheers
  • hellosnackbar
    Good stuff Solkhar what you have said would provide the basis for an hilarious sketch!
    The problem is I fear that such comedy is far too mature for the average Muslim?
    But there's an opportunity there for you to write a sensational comedy script.
    Making you very quickly "Islamically renowned"
  • You think Beck and Hannity are blowhards? I'm curious why you think so. I listen/watch them all the time, and while their styles at times can leave something to be desired, they're almost always on point with their facts
  • hellosnackbar
    It's the yelling demagoguery that annoys me.
    I've seen two interviews with Richard Dawkins(O'Reilly and Hannity);the one with O'Reilly was silly in the extreme(the smirk on Dawkins face was as if to say what am I doing here talking to a halfwit like you?)
    O'Reilly tried to wind up Dawkins by addressing him as MISTER Dawkins(almost certainly in the knowlege that Dawkins is a double Professor emeritus).
    Hannity just went on (in desultory style)with an idiotic condemnation of evolution;and his faith in God.
    Both so called interviews were pointless; insofar as no questions were posed as to Dawkins vast knowlege of evolutionary biology or any science in general.
    All three appear as pig ignorant narcissistic bullies as if to say"I'm the star of the show"now let's start
    the shouting ;and I'll interupt if you say anything that conflicts with my planned agenda."
    On the other hand when I watched Ted Koppel I saw a man who'd obviously researched his subject ;
    and if he detected any disingenuous bullshit was not shy in saying so.
    I would love to see all three of these media creatures in a verbal sparring contest(no shouting interruptions)with Christopher Hitchens;bec ause I believe that in the modern argot he'd tear them a new one.
    My politics were changed in the sixties by William F Buckley jnr when on a BBC debate he put himself in the firing line(that was the name of his program)with some of the most famous left wing intellectuals.
    It was a massacre!he destroyed each and everyone of them in beautiful lacerating English such that
    their reputations were forever damaged.(that's what I call iconoclasm!)
    O'Reilly et al are by comparison brainless dullards.
    I believe they should all be fired(ratings notwithstanding)and somebody like SR replacing them!
    The GOP these days seems to be in disaray with the likes of Jindal,Sarah Palin and that Morman geezer.
    What prevents talented rightist intellectuals(like Victor Davis Hansen) from providing solid opposition
    to the Obamessiah.?
    The POTUS is the modern day equivalent of a Roman Caesar;the rest of the world needs a man of substance not some science ignorant pygmy.
    I await your opinions dear IACers
  • Storm_Rider
    I think you are exactly right about O'Reilly, but Hannity and Beck are truth-tellers. They may not have the intelligence and style of William F. Buckley, but how many of us are so blessed? They may not be as good as Buckley but they are good. I'll take the good while waiting for something better; but I agree with you we need someone better - many better someones - and I hope we don't have to wait too long. We need more Thomas Jeffersons; we all need to read and study everything he wrote - starting with the Declaration of Independence.
  • hellosnackbar
    Absolutely SR,I know you're a fan of the founding fathers(as I am myself);but 200 yrs +l.ater their modern day equivalents are non entities.
    There must be equivalent talents around ;but it's as though the curse of HL Mencken is still effective:
    " I believe in honesty and truth;rendering me forever unsuitable for public office!"
    When in Annapolis some ten years ago with my yacht I met a lawyer who told me he his mother had been Mencken's secretary;and that Mencken had induced fear in many politicians and bible belt proseltysers in his day.
    Hopefully in the near future some similar intellectually gifted real American will appear to wipe the floor with the current idiots.
    An American I really admire is Craig Venter;now there's a scientist I predict will be as powerful as Bill Gates in the near future and he's just the sort of matter of fact, gifted individual who might do great things if he became politically involved..
  • Storm_Rider
    I don't like O'Reilly - agree with you there; he's arrogant and often speaks irrationally; but I believe Beck and Hannity are smart, rational and tell the truth. Reason and truth in mass media is the real issue here, not journalistic style.
  • joesix_pack
    This is to be expected. Now that we are on the strategic defensive, we can expect the war to move toward us. This is only the beginning.

    The ONLY way that I know of reversing this trend is to wage offensive warfare and force them to engage our military. They (The enemy) do not match up to our armed forces very well.
  • SirWilhelm
    By citing CAIR and not mentioning their possible ties to radical groups as indicated by the FBI, CBS should be condemned for spreading pro radical Islamic propaganda.
  • Storm_Rider
    CBS News is now controlled by Marxist leaders in the Democrat Party.

    CBS News to American Democrat Party = Pravda to Russian Communist Party.

    American Marxists hate the Declaration and Constitution as much or more than our Sharia-loving Muslim enemies; that is why they make natural allies, and that is why they are both anti-American forces for totalitarian political power - one "atheistic" - one "religious." Wake up America; we are now frogs in a sauce pan, and the temperature is slowly being turned up. Boycott CBS News - and NBC News - and ABC News - and CNN.
  • JEWHAWK
    The American Constitution is deemed as " UN-ISLAMIC ", therefore should
    muslims manage to conquer Washington, they'd gladly TEAR it apart.

    Muslims DESPISE American values and already vowed to change it
    as soon as they could.

    BOYCOTT:

    " Boycott CBS News - and NBC News - and ABC News - and CNN. "

    Don't you forget the wicked BBC.

    I just watch FOX News. They are honest and professional in what they do.

    CNN is a bad taste joke. It is so biased that nobody serious considers it as a reliable
    source of information, but of Anti-American, Anti- GOP, Anti-Church and Anti- Israeli propaganda.
    Islamic Oil money is pouring deep in their otherwise empty pockets, what explains a lot of
    things.
  • Storm_Rider
    I'll share a fox hole with you any time.

    Death to Political Islam (totalitarian political ideology posing as religion).

    Death to Political Marxism (totalitarian religion posing as political ideology).

    Death to the mortal enemies of our American Revolution.
  • JEWHAWK
    " I'll share a fox hole with you any time "

    Likewise my friend.


    " Death to Political Islam (totalitarian political ideology posing as religion).

    Death to Political Marxism (totalitarian religion posing as political ideology).

    Death to the mortal enemies of our American Revolution"

    AMEN to all of that !

    I've been a staunch Anti-Communist since I was 10 and a
    ferocious Anti-Islamic since Hezzbollah/ Iranian bombings in Buenos
    Aires in the early 1990's.
  • Storm_Rider
    "Liberty, is one of the most precious gifts heaven has bestowed upon Man. No treasures the earth contains or the sea conceals can be compared to it. For liberty one can rightfully risk one's life." -- Miguel Cervantes

    “As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also.” Thomas Jefferson
  • Tonto
    There is nothing in the world more deadly than a highly motivated, well trained and pissed off American soldier in the field. Our society encourages "free thinking under discipline" and extensive, intensive physical training. That makes a big difference.......of course, tech makes a big difference too. Note that in WWII, the casualty to dead enemy ratio was about 10 to 1, in Korea, about 15 to 1, in Vietnam about 20 to 1 and in Iraq/Afghanistan, about 40 to 1. How's everybody else doing?
  • Beejj
    Tonto, my friend, I have the highest regard for you, and value your every word. The last thing I want to do is fall foul of you, but I must take issue with you over this post. Forgive me for doing so! Although I am, by training, a scientist, my greatest loves are Beethoven and the study of WW II. I love your love of the American warrior and laud you for it. I love him, too. Let me ask you, though, to be circumspect when you consider the performance of the US military in Europe during WW II - when you compare it with that of the Germans. Never forget that from the onset of Barbarossa, no more than 25%, and for most of the time as little as 10%, of the German military machine was engaged outside Russia. True, that's the Germans' fault, but it warrants consideration if one is to embark upon comparisons. Eisenhower recognised that the Allies required overwhelming superiority in men and materiel if they were to invade the Continent successfully. He admitted that in every action in which the Germans had parity of men and materiel, they not only won, but inflicted 50% more casualties on the enemy than the enemy did upon them. I am no fan of the Nazis, but I recognise valour when I see it. Who were the best of the German soldiers - the best of the best? Unquestionably the Waffen SS - not the other SS cowardly, murdering bastards. Then, think about the field Generals. Who were the truly great ones? On the Allied side I can think of only one: Patton (I wish I could name a British one, but I cannot. PLEASE, don't let anyone mention Montgomery!!!!!!). Had the allies possessed a few more Pattons the war would have been over in 1944. Were there German Generals of Patton's calibre? You bet there were! Rommel, von Manstein, Guderian, von Runstedt and Heinrici, the defensive genius, immediately spring to mind. If you are a student of warfare you MUST agree with me. I revere old Georgie Patton, and am eternally pissed that Bradley played the role of consultant when they made the movie of the great man's WW II exploits: I have no time for Bradley, "the GI's General". Eisenhower? Not a field man (and a flawed President), but he did a hell of a job - perhaps the most difficult job of the War - in keeping everything sweet between the Brits and the Yanks as events unfolded. Amazing bloke, old DD. He made one monumental mistake, though, but I am able to say so only from the cosy perspective of hindsight.

    When I was growing up I was brainwashed into believing that BRITAIN WON THE WAR. I accepted it because I was ignorant. By the time I was 18 I realised that without America, Britain was ........... what's that word beginning with F and ending with D? There's a C and a K somewhere in the middle. There might be a U and an E, too. I readily and gratefully acknowledge the debt my country and civilisation owe to America, and I will die a Yankophile. Yet, I cannot escape the truth that WWII was won on the Eastern Front, and that even if Overlord had never happened, Nazi Germany was doomed. Yes, I know that for a long time America supplied Russia with vital materiel, but, as dear old Flashman said, "Big place, Russia."

    Please do not think I am detracting from the valour of American boys in any way. I have wept in the graveyards of Normandy and thanked America for its sacrifice. I have stood before the graves of American boys and asked. "What the hell are you doing here, my friend? You are not a carved name on a piece of stone: you are a Yankee boy, far from home and loved ones and Coca Cola and jazz and Chevrolets and hot girls and baseball. You died for me, a Welsh boy you didn't know existed. How can I possibly thank you?" And I think, too, of the German youth who valiantly followed a jaundiced, poisoned dream, perhaps not understanding a word of it.
  • JEWHAWK
    WORLD WAR II :

    Beejj, I do strongly believe that the vast American / Canadian
    natural resources and their untouched by the war industry
    were the main responsibles for VE-DAY.

    Trucks, engines, aircraft, spare parts, food and High-Octane Gasoline
    were becoming scarce to the Axis' powers and
    increasingly available to the Allies.

    It may be too simple, but the fact is that Germany
    simply did NOT plan and prepare itself for a long
    war.German generals knew that but they couldn't
    tell the Füehrer those ordinary facts of life, for
    Hitler thought very highly of himself as a great
    military strategist just because he was wounded
    during World War I.

    When Göering saw the P-51D Mustangs ESCORTING
    the American B-17s and B-24s over Germany, he KNEW the
    war was LOST.

    Germany BIGGEST mistakes were:
    1)To Invade the Soviet Union
    2)To declare WAR against America after the Japanese raid at Pearl Harbor.

    Britain ALONE would be speaking German today.

    At least Beethoven's music would be heard more often...



























  • Beejj
    Correct, JH. America's industrial might made it a country to leave well alone. It passeth all understanding that Japan dared take on the US, and that Hitler then declared war on America. Amazingly, many people believed the Yanks were a bunch of softies who lived for the good life. Clearly, they knew nothing of history. The soft life? Well, perhaps Americans like their luxurious life style, but they are sure as hell going to get very nasty when anyone threatens it.

    Hitler's mistakes were many and varied, but it's fascinating to hypothesise what might have happened had he not lost his nerve prior to Dunkirk. Guderian was ready to exterminate the BEF, but old Adolf chickened out. Would the British, after losing the BEF, have agreed to peace terms? Interesting question. Then there was the diversion of an entire Army away from Moscow, wasting precious time and allowing the Russians to fortify that city. Then there was ............... We could go on and on. Still, there is no way Germany could have beaten the Russians, given the vast quantities of supplies America was sending to Russia. Another interesting one is: Suppose Hitler had defeated Russia. What then? As Master of Europe and Russia, could he have maintained control for very long? Given the trouble the guys in the Balkans caused him I rather doubt it. So many what ifs. And there was, of course, the little matter of the Manhattan Project!!
  • JEWHAWK
    Germany lost a war that its Generals didn't want to wage in the first place.
    Hitler's egotistical and maniacal plans were directly responsible for the
    13 million German dead during WWII.


    Hitler's abwehr managed to cause Stalin's beastly actions
    against thousands of officers of the Red Army before the
    WWII, resulting in a tremendous lack of properly trained
    leadership during the Soviet aggression against Finland.
    This apparent Soviet military failure led Hitler to a deadly
    mistake.
    He tried to conquer a country bigger than Europe
    WITHOUT PLANNING and RESOURCES to achieve
    such an endeavour.
  • Solkhar
    There is a good debate going on between historians on this topic with the major concensus, lead by Keegan, that because of the defeat in Russia and in North Africa whihc was in fact a loss of resources, north American's resource dominance was the result in defeat. Though that is accepted by most, the only argument now is about the impact or potential impact of politics and moral defeatism. The means, for example of what you mentioned above, had the BEF been destroyed totally - what impact a forced peace with Britain would have changed things? Concession in North Africa, thus more resources....etc. Had that occured, there could have been more Axis force support for a later war in the East and the Balkans and thus that resource boon. Italy may have stayed Axis, etc, etc, etc.

    All interesting theories and hypothesis that makes for interesting study and debate, eh?
  • Beejj
    Clever bloke, Keegan. His books are essential reading. He disappointed me when he spoke in defence of David Irving during Irving's failed attempt in court to seek compensation from Penguin because he refused to acknowledge Irving's proved distortions and mis-use of historical information. Still Irving was bankrupted, financially and morally, as a result of his hatred of the Jews, so perhaps old Yahweh really does exist!
  • Tonto
    Thanks for your kind words....my point was merely that the numbers are getting ever better....general Giap himself, in his book, admitted that North Vietam's Army and the VC lost 2 million(!!!) in their war against us...and were within days of surrender when we backed out. I was there for 2 1/2 years with 1 st Air Cav. as a grunt (rifle-totin', trained, motivated, teen-age, get-high, killing machine for Uncle Sam) and as a medic. I saw things that absolutely sickened, amazed, stupefied and literally made me cry. Battle is not for the faint hearted. In every successive war our kill ratio gets better. My kid did 2 tours in Iraq and he said our ratio was 40:1....that's Gawd-awful! He said these kids now-a-days are COLD. The Marines even go into battle on assaults blaring heavy metal from "Dope" and "Saliva" and are merciless...but I guess we were too. We took no prisoners until they begged us to and eventually bribed us with 3 "stand-down" days for each live prisoner. At the PTSD clinic I went to for a couple months, I met a old guy that went from Omaha beach all the way to Berlin as an infantryman. He was an incredible dude....and all us younger guys treated him with the highest respect. What he did made me feel like I'd been on a boy scout outing in Vietnam.
    So what I meant in my post, yep, I meant. I really think that the US forces are the world's #1 killers in combat. Others come close, but that's it....no disrespect intended. But nothing stops us but the #$%^&*% politicians. Mooks forget that jihad goes both ways and have to learn it the hard way.
  • Beejj
    Further to that which I just wrote, Tonto, I believe that every American, from the President down, ought to be forced to visit your graveyards at Normandy. There you will find AMERICA. Not tall buildings and fancy stuff, but AMERICA. America's finest. Apart from those, American airmen died in their multitudes in daylight aids over Germany and occupied territory. They never flinched. They were ordered to do it, so they did it. Yup, they had good planes, but they had bigger hearts. I am in awe of such men. I would hate to be on the wrong side of such bastards! And Muslim ragheads think they can best these guys?
  • Tonto
    We got graveyards all around here where brave soldiers are buried. We have a wall in Washington DC where the names of 21 of my "brothers" names are scribed, along with the names of 58,000 more guys. Indian wars, the Revolution, and the Civil War dead......the bloodiest hours of American history are written on the stones at Arlington Cemetary....that used to be Gen. Robert E Lee's plantation and home.....now it belongs to the veterans that gave their lives in all our wars we fought for FREEDOM.....damn right I'm proud to be an American. We LIKE freedom and want everybody in the world to be free. Islam is bullshit and slavery, the American people need to find that out....then we'll see militant islam go bye-bye.
  • Beejj
    Yes, Tonto, I have been to Arlington, and I have also stood, wet-eyed, at the wall. The pair of boots melted me. Whose are those names listed there? Supermen? Nope. Just American boys from Shitsville, USA, who were called to duty and did their stuff. No fuss; no bother; just doing their duty as their country saw it. At the daily ceremony I was called upon to place my right hand across my chest, but I refused to do so because I believe that one must stand rigidly to attention, arms stiffly pointed downwards, to pay homage to such heroes.
  • God Bless you and your sons for your services. Tell them I said that. I'd
    love to hear more updates on them if you have some info.
  • Tonto
    The kid made Captain there (so I call him Diewee now...that's Vietnamese), is a Ranger, and got him a Bronze Star there.....so I guess he ain't too bad. Thanks, I'll pass it along. Beejj, screw the Waffen SS!
  • Beejj
    Screw the Waffen SS for all your worth, and I will gladly join you, Tonto, but they were matchless soldiers, as all who faced them willingly conceded. Tough bastards, they were. What drove them to be so effective in the business of war? I don't know, although I think it might have had something to do with the Prussian traditions that were force-fed into young German minds. To such people, war was. perhaps, a religious calling. To Americans it was just a messy necessity. Another reason for loving the Yanks! Just imagine what would happen if Islam's finest were to don uniform and square up to the boys from Yankeeland in formal warfare. How long do you think it would last? A week? I don't.
  • Tonto
    Back in 91 we saw just that little thing.....even the vaunted Republican Guard died by the thousands when they met our tanks face to face. I talked to a guy who was there....he was in it....and HE was awed at how fast they buckled.
  • Beejj
    Iraq's Republican Guards against AMERICANS???????? Isn't that a bit like the Boy Scouts against Lee's Virginians?
  • Tonto
    The boys from The Virginia Military Academy attacked and TOOK a Union artillery battery with the bayonet during the Civil War. I think the oldest kid was 16 and the youngest was 10. These Southern boy are still nice as pie and tough as nails.
  • Beejj
    Oh, Tonto, you bring tears to my eyes. No wonder I love Americans of your flavour. God love you all. That old bloke who began his rite of passage on Omaha Beach knew the meaning of Hell, bless him. Little wonder you revered him. Strange buggers, the Americans. They enjoy life at its cushiest, but when they get angry ...... look out! Get the fuck out of there, baddies! I love 'em. Yes, they are full of shit and piss and vinegar, but meddle with them at your peril. Still, the Waffen SS were the stars of WW II. Christ, I'm glad I'll never have to mess with their like. They were the best.
  • Tonto
    Oh, One more thing Beejj. Ever hear of Sgt Alvin York? Killed a bunch of German fellas and captured a couple hundred in WWI.....single handed. His farm is up the road a piece from here...an easy ride of about 11/2 hrs up on the Cumberland Plateau.....just an American country boy that was pretty good with a rifle.
  • hellosnackbar
    AlvinYork Tonto;wasn't he the most decorated American soldier ever?
    I remember reading about him as a boy,
    As an aside about two years ago I read that an ailing Gurkha(age 82)was refused entry to GB for medical treatment.
    This old boy was a VC(Victoria Cross) winner.(he won it by crawling a distance of 500yds in the middle of three triangulated machine gun nests(Japanese);upon reaching the one at the apex ,he jumped amongst them and neatly dispatched the occupants with his kukhri.
    As a result he saved the lives of all the members of the platoon he was with.
    The shameless jobsworths who denied this old boy what was his duel; were exposed in the press; prompting universal approbrium;the decision was reversed.
    The irony is that GB has a million or so Muslim Pakis who by marriage and subterfuge now live there;and have given rise to a dangerous terrorist fifth column(remember 7/11?).
    Joanna Lumley has in recent times campaigned successfuly for Gurkha's rights(her father was an officer in the Gurkha regiment) on the basis that if someone is prepared to fight and die for a country ;then ergo they have earned the right to live in that country.
    She reduced (on television)the government minister to that of a gibbering fool.(cut glass articulation, combined with fierce intelligence);she's also extremely beautiful.(despite the fact that she's sixty something).
  • Tonto
    Alvin York was a Tennessee country boy from up on the Plateau. He was also a Conscientious Objector but got over it. He was a devout Christian. The most decorated Marine, I think was "Chesty Puller"...he had 5 Navy Crosses, and is REVERED by the entire Marine Corps. A Texan by the name of Audie Murphy was the most decorated soldier of WWII, and I don't think anybody beat his record...except maybe (some guy from the Indian wars that had 2 Congressional Medals of Honor. That may have been Tom Custer, general Custer's brother, who earned one in the Civil War and another against the Sioux. You should Google some of that stuff if you're really interested. I have a personal friend, Lloyd ( a small, little black guy from Chicago) that got the Navy Cross in Vietnam for taking out 2 machine guns. The first one with hand to hand. I asked him why he did that crazy shit and he just looked at me and said "They were killin' my bros, man."
  • Beejj
    Chesty Puller: "We've been looking for the enemy for some time, now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." What a man!!!!!
  • Tonto
    Sounds like you've got that series you were looking for surrounded....Thanks to Christine. Chesty Puller's birthday is celebrated by The US Marine Corps every year and every Marine, past or present, can give you a run down of Chesty's life story....he's that revered.
  • Beejj
    I wonder if you can help me, Tonto. A few years ago I saw a series on television about the Pacific War. I can't recall its name, but it might have been "War in the Pacific" or some such thing. It consisted of four parts, I think, and was staggeringly good. In one episode they interviewed Rod Steiger, who had been a Marine and had seen Hell in all its forms. I have tried to find if it is available on DVD, but without success. I wonder if you know the series and its name.
  • Christine_S
    Is it "Hell in the Pacific" 2001? Four parts: Apocalypse, Armageddon, Purgatory and Inferno, and has an interview with Rod Steiger...

    http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/daily-m...

    http://ca.tv.yahoo.com/hell-in-the-pacific/show...
  • Beejj
    Thank you, dear Christine. I'll investigate upon the instant. Thank you so much. It's a superb series that will make you weep. My compliments of the season to you.
  • hellosnackbar
    Thanks for that Tonto I'll look up these lads.
    I have to say that reading about personal courage under fire fills me with awe(a much misused word these days!)
    One continually asks oneself the question :"would I have the balls to do what these special people did?"
    That's a question I will never answer;but faced with a situation where unless something is done one is likely to be killed;
    it makes the decision easier(even to the point of self sacrifice).
    However talking about it and doing it are entirely different!
    What is certain ;is that in the Gurkha's case killing 5 Japs with his big knife after surviving a hazardous crawl
    brings a tear to my eyes.
  • Beejj
    Audie Murphy was a one-man Army: one of those who had more guts than sense, although he had plenty of that, too. You can Google his site. A good-looking bloke, he was snapped up by Hollywood and made some films, one in which he starred as himself! Tragically, he died young - heart, or something. What a man! He looked like an angel but put the fear of God into Satan.
  • Tonto
    Actually Beejj, Audie Murphy died as a result of complications of his war wounds. I don't have the whole story but I do rememberit had something to do with his digestive track having been messed up and somehow that got complicated and brought him down. I have a friend that got hit with 13 bullets at one tome and here, years later, he still wears morphine patches and walks with cane. The scar tissue is now rubbing on his internal workings and cause him much pain. We used to call him "Craig Goddammit" because that's what he said his name was.
  • Beejj
    I just discovered he was killed in a plane crash. Do you know that Murphy single-handedly took out 250 Germans and 6 Tiger tanks in the action that earned him the CMH?
  • Tonto
    Right about the plane crash...must be my CRS kicked in. Have to double up on my arocept for that.
  • Beejj
    Google Audie Murphy. Enter the club, or whatever, dedicated to his memory. Sign the petition. Could there be a worthier cause?

    Puller was related to Patton!!! Puller tried, in his 60s, to re-enlist to serve in Vietnam, even though he had heart problems. What a sonofagun! Godalmighty!! Puller's son had an altercation with a mine in Vietnam. Lost both legs, an arm, an eye and had his remaining hand mangled. Tough old bugger didn't give up the fight though, going on to important work. Finally committed suicide. Makes me cry.
  • Beejj
    "Just an American country boy" is good enough for me, Tonto.
  • Tonto
    The muzleem boys in this country have a real hard time coming to grips with the idea that most Americans don't "admire" them as much as they think they should. Most Americans could care less and just "blow 'em off". They ain't all that much and can't figure it out. It's frustrating for them. They don't fit....and it's their fault, so Americans basically ignore their ignorant asses.
  • Tonto: Maybe not ignore, but kick their ignorant asses out of our country and take their leader with them. BTW don't forget to take dumb Doizer with them, she wouldn't last 5 seconds until her evil tongue & privates were long gone, and she'd be wearing a burka.
  • JEWHAWK
    " ANTI-MUSLIM PROPAGANDA " ???


    The Jews were brutally persecuted by the Czar in the 1880's but they
    did NOT engage in terrorism...
    They became SCIENTISTS, PIANISTS, VIOLINISTS, TEACHERS ...
    In a place where the Czarist Regime published " The Protocols of the Elders of Zion "
    The Jews Anton Rubenstein founded the Saint Petersburg's Conservatory
    and his brother did the same to the Moscow's Conservatory...


    What a difference !

    Muslims are as useful as an ulcer.

    And they WHINE too much !!












  • JEWHAWK: BIG difference! GRRRR and naturally CBS, has to report this BIG LIE!
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