UK: Anjem Choudary runs secret sharia “weddings”

Asked if he told newly-weds to register their weddings, he said: ‘No. Because once you’ve gone down that road of registering the marriage…you are automatically really saying, “Look, we are accepting the [non-Islamic] system that goes with it”.’

Anybody else see the irony here, he claims £25,000 a year in benefits, so doesn't that mean that by registering for benefits "you are automatically really saying, "Look, we are accepting the [non-Islamic] system that goes with it".?

Good stuff Ian;but then turds like Choudary have no problem with parasitism or hypocrisy.

And all the groom has to do is say "I divorce you" three times and the marriage is over. Nice system, for the man, not surprised you approve, Shukri, but the UK and the rest of the Western world have had more respect for women, and have given them rights equal to men, granted, it took secular action and laws to accomplish that, but that's the kind of thing you can do when you have seperation of church and state, unlike states where Islam is dominant and "sharia" has been given precedence. Yes Solkhar, it is hard to understand. Only PC, created by the liberals as a subtle way of increasing their power and influence, can possibly explain it. And PC has lead to a great deal of apathy and indifference in the West.

LOL. Do you know what a "sharia" wedding is? It involves the bride, the groom, two witnesses, and an imam. The imam asks the bride if she agrees to marry the groom. He then asks the groom if he wants to marry the bride. If they both say yes, you have a "shariah" wedding.

Way to go with the scare tactics.

With all due respect Shukri, the preformance of a Shari'a wedding, outside a Shari'a environment, like being in the west is not only a disrespect to local customs and standards but also against the law because then those that are Married will start to pretend they are legitimately married. The best example is that they will then apply for benefits as a married couple and the social security system will not refer to them as married, their children will also consider their parents not married and though that may not provide a problem, when they travel to some countries, they will get into trouble. For example, I had a new passport made at my Embassy in Rabat, I asked about my 6 year old and they said he will need his own this time. They said "was I married?" It suprised me so I said "of course" and they said it is actually a problem because some Muslims have a "religious marriage" (Shari'a) and not a correct legal civil marriage. In that case, proof of parentage of each parent must be done before a passport will be issued. The Dutch embassy in Rabat rejects - this is the shock - at least 8 or 9 requests for child passports each week!

So the subject about what Choudary is in fact very important. He is for my part the worst type of criminal. He demands "his interpretation" of Islam on those around him and is willing to make trouble and chaos to get it. In a debate on TV about three years ago he was correctly abused by three invitees from overseas, whom laughed at his ideas saying that he asks for things that are not even accepted over here in the real Muslim World. Shari'a is in fact in a minority of Muslim countries and of those that have it, again most are only Family Courts. They demand a Caliphate that is rejected by all other Muslim countries. He tells the British public that dressing in Sunna and Burqas is demanded by Islam and yet most Muslims in this world wear neither and are faithful Muslims. He in fact breaks our Qur'anic principle of never calling another Muslims a kafir.

It is important to put him and his beliefs in the correct category of dangerous and toxic garbage that is merrited.

Actually, common-law marriages are legally recognized in many western states. see http://bit.ly/90trhK

Correct, but not in Muslim countries and that is the point, is it not? The guy is a dangerous radical and in my mind Islam is the last thing on his agenda.

He's not only a dangerous radical, but he's doing it all in the name of
Islam. calling him a dangerous radical while ignoring the Islamic
connection is dishonest and disingenuous. Muslims need to recognize that
these freaks are all Muslim.

You're like a bunch of addicts who blame bad behavior while on drugs as
"psycho" and "crazy" while giving no recognition to the fact they were ON
DRUGS.

It's beyond dishonest.

Islam has everything to do with it. Until you accept the problem within and
do something about it, these Islamists will continue to spread throughout
the world while the "peaceful majority" stands by and watches instead
spending all their time arguing with Infidels and Westerners who have
legitimate beef with these people.

That is the point of which we will disagree totally. Islam is only the common factor in that the subject of the faith is used and abused, but it certianly is not the common factor of a cause.

That is why I never say Islam when it comes to these issues and I say Muslim, which has never been denied. It is also why I agree that it is a Muslim problem and for Muslims to fix. If anything, until you start destinguishing between Muslim and Islam in your arguments, we will disagree and clash John and as far as I consider, your perspective and context is wrong and thus your targetting and any chance of getting it right has failed before you launched. Add to that, by generalizing and targetting Islam instead of the abuse of the faith by radicals, you cross the line into radicalism itself which again results in ultimate failure as you cannot fight evil with evil, abuse by abuse or radicalism with another form of radicalism.

I recognize the difference Solkar.

The problem I have is the constant "has nothing to do with Islam" bullsh**

It DOES and until the Muslim community recognizes the IDEOLOGICAL problem with Islam, it will continue to grow and fester.

Good Muslim like Zhudi Jasser understand this. http://www.aifdemocracy.org/

I understand how that "it has nothing to do with .... " buggs you and it does bother me probably even more as a Muslim, because those that use that argument themselve do not distinguish between the two. They also do not know the difference between religious principles and the culture and radicalism that they have been brought up in.

Again, it does, to the degree that those involved are Muslim. It does to the degree that the politics of radicals use and abuse the name of the faith for their own ends but again, radicalism modifies and usurps their own faith to suit their political agenda and not the other way around. I will go further and piss of a great many Muslims and especially radicals when I say that a great many of the haddiths were created to suit the political needs of those Muslims at that tim and thus are radicals in themselves. That, I think, is the "ideological problem" which is not Islam, but a vulgar bastardised offshoot of it. Islam is and remains the principles set out in the Qur'an by the Prophet Mohammed and Zhudi Jasser will agree with me on that part 100 per cent because I have discussed that with him and is colleagues at AIFD via emails a number of times.

For my part, AIFD's concepts are great but I have issue with how far they go to assimilate but then again I commend them for understanding and creating an American-Muslim entity which is critical to success for a viable Muslim coexistance in the United States. If only there was such groups in Europe or Britain, if they exist, I do not see hm.

I will go further and piss off a great many Muslims and especially
radicals when I say that a great many of the haddiths were created to suit
the political needs of those Muslims at that tim and thus are radicals in
themselves.

Careful Solkhar, you're bordering on Fatwa worthy stuff right there.

AIFD is very American (wishing to uphold our political system, vis vis
freedom, liberty, pursuit of happiness, separation of Church and state, and
upholding the Constitution as it was written). I don't expect you to really
connect with that on any level. It's an American thing.

Erm, the UK where Mr. Choudhary lives is not a Muslim country.

People aren't "radical" just because they call for people to conduct civil marriages. This story is just another in the series of tabloids using scare tactics to increase ratings.

I suggest you read up on Anjem Choudry.

Star here:

Anjem Choudry: “The World Will Be Dominated By The Sharia
Law”<http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/05/10/enemys-own-words-the-world-will-be-dominated-by-the-sharia-law/>

Thank you for the link.

There's plenty more about him. Look in the related links at the bottom.
They guy is a terrorist in every sense of the word except for committing
the acts himself.

Shukri, you obviously have not read up or are aware of the demands and actions of Choudhary.

Ma'salama

Solkhar, advocating civil marriages does not make Mr. Choudhary an extremist. And the title of the article indicates it's tabloid nature very clearly.

It is not the civil marriages that really is the issue, that is just a small example. As I have said and even the blog-owner (whom I certany do not agree on many aspects) has correctly said, go read up on Chodhary. He is an extremist because he "demands" his own interpretation of Shari'a on Britain,that the Queen must wear a burqa, that the world "must" follow a single Caliphe etc, etc, etc. Even in my own profession, I can tell you that he and his organisation are closely linked to terrorism financing organisations and if you read my other post, if he set foot in Saudi Arabia he would be in jail or facing the death penalty for attempting to incite a wahhabist based revolution.

It has nothing to do with tabloids, which incidently I dispize, it has to do with reality.

Marriage is a small matter? To Muslim men, perhaps.

What I do not understand, as do most Mujslims living in the real and actual Muslim World do not, how the British Government allows such sedition and fragrant abuse of the standards and morals of that country. Most countries in the world have laws designed to put behind bars or kick out such people and Britian either does not have them or does not use them. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech but this is were the right of the State to stop sedicious and dangerous behaviour.

This guy surely is on borrowed time, he fears travelling overseas as most Muslilm countries would send him to Saudi were he is wanted and will certainly rot in jail.

The problem is that Choudary is British born;it is not possible to deport him.
However if he continues to incite fellow Muslim madmen to glorify terrorism;and particularly to insult British servicemen;then he might find himself in the position of Abu Hamsa(currently in prison)and fighting extradition to the USA.
It wouldn't surprise me if some Muslim "took him out"as he represents one of the main agitators promoting the ever increasing unpopularity of British Muslims.
As Beej has pointed out Brits are by and large a patient law abiding lot;but Choudary for too long is seen as someone
who"takes the piss!".
Take it from me someone, somewhere means him a lot of harm.
The POS is living a charmed life.

Yes I am aware that he cannot be deported as he is a Brit. It is a shame that there is no extradition treaty with Saudi Arabia as he is wanted there. He and his mentor were to a degree involved in a wahhabist plot to assassinate the late King to try and create a religious theocracy run by a Caliphate (wahhabist of course).

The guy is close to being brought down though, he is what is known as "third party proscribed" which means he and his organisation are lindirectly inked to known organisations that are linked to terrorism financing. I would love as part of my tracking to have him linked to Al Qaeda in the Maghreb or some other group that I monitor, I would happily take that evidence by plane straight to the Docklands in London myself and watch the fireworks begin ... live!

If he does get "popped" by a Muslim, it will be with the blessings of many ME governments.

Cheers.

ps, speaking of things all Dutch (we were not but why not), I am seriously thinking of going to the Elfstedentocht, do you know it? That is the 11 bridge ice skating race in Freisland. For that I will go back home and brave the cold. It is not often that it gets cold enough for all the canals to freeze over and it is amazing to watch. I have lost a lot of work time due to health issues but for this I am really thinking of a few more days off....

Muslims are transforming the United Kingdom into an open air ZOO, just like
South Africa's Park Krüger, with the great difference that whereas I'd pay
to see lions, panthers and elephants, I wouldn't do the same to see muslims.

I'd use a muslim repelent.

(shaking the can) TSSS! TSSSS!

Personally I dont mind when morons like him get on the internet and make a complete fool of themselves.

I did not pay much attention to Islam, until I saw what their morons said on a daily basis, perhaps is not such a bad thing we see them on display, to have less Muslim sympathy

Let them destroy themselves with their own idiotcy

someone needs to take this pig out

Why can't some "disturbed" go-getter just make a name for himself by putting a bullet through this abomination's botched cranium? Goose and Gander stuff.A fatwa declared by Her Majesty the Queen on the sorry,backward arse of a very insipid upstart.Let the games begin!

Anjem the turd continues in his rasping way to annoy almost everybody.
It's about time he experienced a personal "flushing" to pop him with the rest of similar human waste products!