UK muslim criminals in jail refuse group therapy, claim it is against islam

by Kal El on January 12, 2010 · Comments

Yeah what a shock, admitting their crimes is against islam. Kind of fits right in with taqqiyah (islamic sanctioned lying in order to prevent islam from looking bad), which is why no muslim ever admits how severely deficient islam really is.

Muslim prisoners ‘refuse to take part in group therapy as it’s against religion’

Scores of Britain’s 10,000 Muslim prisoners – one in eight of all inmates – are refusing to take part in Offending Behaviour Programmes (OBPs ), claiming it is ‘forbidden’ or ‘Haraam’.

Haraam refers to anything that is prohibited by faith, and in Islamic culture criminals are barred from discussing their offences with others.

Previously, Muslim prisoners refused to take part in Sex Offender Treatment Programmes because it involved talking about offences against women, but now some are refusing to take part in all rehabilitation sessions where they have to ‘open up’ in front of other cons.

Among the courses some Muslims are declining to take part in are the Cognitive Self Change Programme (CSCP), just one of 13 OBPs on offer from the prison service,

The CSCP, which treats 7,000 prisoners each year, targets ‘high risk violent offenders’ and offers individual and group sessions to prisoners.

The course claims to: “Equip prisoners with skills to help them control their violence and avoid reconviction.

“It is aimed at offenders with a history of violent behaviour and is suitable for those whose violence is reactive and/or instrumental.”

Other programmes on offer include Enhanced Thinking Skills, Cognitive Skills Booster Programme, Controlling Anger and Learning to Manage it and various motivational courses.

One Muslim prisoner, Abu Dira, a maximum security prisoner at HMP Long Lartin in Worcestershire, said this week: “Muslims cannot speak about their past crimes in a group setting.

“It is an established concept within the Sharia that a Muslim must not speak about the Haraam – prohibited things – and certainly should not advertise past mistakes to their peers.”

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In 2008 the Prison Service’s Muslim Adviser Ahtsham Ali said it was a ‘legitimate Islamic position’ that criminals should not discuss their crimes with others.

So yeah, in islam, rape, murder, robbery, and all the wonderful things islam gave the modern world (suicide bombings, airliners used as missiles, kidnapping little girls for rape and forced marriage/conversion to islam) are perfectly acceptable, but when the infidels put said muslim scum behind bars, they better not talk about it. No wonder so many muslims are leaving the cult!

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  • Unfortunately therapy won't work on the reprobate mind. No hope for these poor devils. Sounds so familiar:
    "taqiyya (islamic sanctioned lying in order to prevent Islam from looking bad), which is why no Muslim ever admits how severely deficient Islam really is." Now who just said this is so many words, the POTUS. "just words" huh? Get it. I do. That is why BHO can excuse his pal Reid, they both are liars, so it's OK to say and do anything to get your political evil way. Also BHO has the audacity to say we would never be at war with Islam, who's kidding who? Taqiyya at it's best here, what a fool. GRRRRR
  • Solkhar
    Taqqiya - the escape clause by some westerners who wish to hide their own failed opinions by stating that any response by a Muslims is a lie - before it is even said.

    The reality, of course, for anyone who has spent time in the Muslim world, is that the concept or word Taqqiya is in fact unheard of by the vast majority of Muslims except theology students and Islamic history teachers. Thus making the taqqiya excuse even more pathetic and suspect.
  • SirWilhelm
    The taqiyya doctrine is based on this sura from Qur'an 3:28: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them." Sunni commentator Ibn Kathir explained that "believers that fear for their safety from the unbelievers... are allowed to show friendship to the unbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

    How would you explain this, Solkhar?
  • Solkhar
    The concept of that Surah is based on an event and it explains about issues of "fear of life", the average Muslim does not equate it to anything other than that. As you can see from the totally incorrect assumptions from most of these posters, they assume that it is a license to constantly lie. So for instance I am accused by some of these idiots here of spilling taqqiya which then I must assume from their postings that I am fearing for my life from their posting.

    If you say taqqiya to a Muslim on the street, anywhere on this planet ale most totally the answer will be "what is that?" but if you say the name of the surah, they will say - "aah, the surah that discribes the dangers and tribulations of Muslims and how God, does not condemn a Muslim to the hell-fires because he denied his faith to save his and his family's life".

    Your reflecting a position that non-Muslims take with Surahs, which is that they are all rules and instructions when they are not. The totallity of the Qur'an is a Message from God - so we Muslims believe. It is divided into three sections, spread evenly not in large sections. They are Historical Events - a history. We are expected to appreciate them. Then there is the Examples, which we are to learn from. The third section are Messages which can be also referred to as Instuctions. Thou shal not .....etc. those which we can say Muslims must follow.

    The event that is in 3:28 is considered an Example and sets conditions, again pointing out (for those idiots whom throw the word around willy-nilly, it talks about fear of life. The subject about "friendship with unbelievers" clearly shows that it was set at a time of war and conflict and persistant attacks on Muslims, it has no reference or instruction that says - Muslims may never be friends with non-Muslims and to believe so and use that Surah as proof is naive, considering there are enough other Surahs that talk about and refer to dealing with non-Muslims, marriage with them, the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) etc.

    Egypt 2 - Nigeria 1 - pretty good game, I support neither so just watching the style.
  • SirWilhelm
    "The subject about "friendship with unbelievers" clearly shows that it was set at a time of war and conflict and persistant attacks on Muslims"

    Don't many Muslims see this as a time of war and conflict and persistant attacks on Muslims, as a justification for jihad? And how are we to know which Muslims are following this example whether they call it taqqiya or not?
    Anymore than we can tell by looking, a radical or terrorist Muslim, from any other Muslim? And how appropriate may this be as a portion of a passage about Judgement Day?
  • Solkhar
    "So yeah, in islam, rape, murder, robbery, and all the wonderful things islam gave the modern world (suicide bombings, airliners used as missiles, kidnapping little girls for rape and forced marriage/conversion to islam) are perfectly acceptable, but when the infidels put said muslim scum behind bars, they better not talk about it. No wonder so many muslims are leaving the cult!"

    Ranting like that only makes the post look rediculous and detracts from the issue. The assumptions made here implies that this is a global Muslim thing when it certainly is not. Go to any prison in a Muslim country and see the difference. It would be better to avoid sounding like a not-so-good-quality tabloid.
  • little_kal
    Ranting? I am talking about things I witnessed, and my coworkers witnessed firsthand while living in the middle east from November of 2003 - December 2009. There is no assumption being made, as I am well aware of muslims kidnapping Pakistani Christian girls, raping them, forcing them into marriage and forcing them to convert. I am well aware of man-boy love Thursdays in Afghanistan, where the local police bring little boys into the police stations to sodomize them, luring them in with candy. I am well aware of little boys being found by US Forces on patrol in the deserts along the Iraq/Kuwait border, lost and confused because they were raped and abandoned to the desert. I am well aware of the muslim daughters being killed by their fathers, brothers, uncles, cousins, etc... in Europe and the Americas for not being muslimah enough. As for my statement that you quote, I am only citing the example set by Muhammad, who did all those things, according to the Hadith and the Sunna.

    As for my statement regarding taqqiya, how is my opinion failed, when I have yet to see muslims en masse do a damned thing to thwart jihadis? You think I don't know how things run in the Ummah? I have been among you for half a decade, I know the vast majority of muslims are ignorant of what true islam really is. I am fully aware that most muslims are functionally illiterate and rely on their imam for their interpretation of islam, and that is a huge problem.

    I have no problem with anyone's faith, until they try to force it on me, and mine, or use it to subjugate me and mine. Then we have a problem. Or rather, they do.
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