France: Imam who sided WITH French law, abiding by burqa ban attacked by mob of muslims

by Kal El on January 27, 2010 · Comments

Gee imagine that, a muslim trying to integrate into the West attacked by his fellow co-religionists. 

FRANCE: ANTI-VEIL IMAM TARGETED; GROUP STORMS MOSQUE

(ANSAmed) – PARIS, JANUARY 26 – Tension is high in France where Hassen Chalghoumi, the imam at the Drancy mosque, who in recent days sided in favour of a law that bans the use of the full veil has been hit by serious threats. A group of some 80 people stormed the Drancy mosque yesterday evening, making threats against Chalgoumi, a great supporter of interreligious dialogue (above all between Jews and Muslims), who recently declared that he was against the use of the full veil in France. A group of 80 people, with their faces covered, stormed the mosque where some 200 worshippers were present, a council member of the Conference of Imams, chaired by Chalgoumi himself, told the France Presse agency, asking to remain anonymous. They forced their way in and grabbed the microphones after a scuffle. At this point, they directed threats and curses against Imam, treating him as an unbeliever and an apostate and stating: we will trash his case, this Imam of the Jews… Launched in 2009, the Conference of Imams is a collective that promotes an interreligious dialogue and the promotion of open Islam. In recent days, Hassen Chalghoumi has said that he is in favour of a law that bans the use of the full veil in France, describing it as a prison for women, an instrument used for sexist domination and Muslim recruitment. The parliamentary mission, which has been studying the measures to be adopted against the full veil, has today recommended that France should solemnly declare itself in favour of the ban and has asked for the adoption of a series of measures to ban it from administration offices and public transport. (ANSAmed) .

2010-01-26 14:08

Yep, islam truly is about tolerance and co-existence. As long as you obey the rants in the quran to the letter.

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  • Hindu
    Hi all

    The election commission of India has declared that burqa is not integral to Islam. Wise words I think.

    http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/24/stories/2010022...

    - Hindu
  • Hindu
    Hi all

    The election commission of India has declared that burqa is not integral to Islam. Wise words I think.

    http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/24/stories/2010022...

    - Hindu
  • Tonto
    At last! A government commission actually acting like they have brains and thoughts! I hope it's not too much for muz dummies. Probably have a riot or two and an accompanying body count over it though.
  • "I know the real hsitory of my faith." Dominique you are a joke on 2 Legs,you are a guy i think permenantely on Dope you smoke a lot of Shit (Hasch) Hey ! It's why you have been living in Morroco,they love smoking Shit there even eat it...it's the Muslims Paradise of the Pygmy King descending directly from the Balls of Momo the Pedo....
    I don't know if i'm right Dominique but my big nose of Pork tells me 'I have not seen your criminal record yet, I know it is thick' from good Source....I think you are a Paedophil it's why you left Europe for the Kingdom of Paedophilia "Islam Country'...Rumors also say that you are wanted by Interpol ! Is it True ? I know I make you shit my friend Dominique but i want just Help....Don't be to Harsch with me,I'm sensitive I cry for nothing !
    And finally could you Please get back to your Original Name 'Solkhar' is extremely Ugly,it stinks the Islamist.
    Cordially Porky your Best Friend x
  • Jewhawk i don't use Garlic ..i prefer Slice of Beacon and Pork Chops but it has the same effect as garlic,it's just a matter of taste.Don't worry my dear friend Jewhawk i will be back,I often read your comments they are very good.
    For (Solkhar) i mean Dominique"i hate these fucking muslim name"....He want to look a moderate guy but in fact he is not at all a moderate,he is a muslim Fanatic,he is a Bad Person,very Bad...After he troll the 'Sheik Site" for months he always came back with false IP and name He spat on the Sheik and everybody there even make serious Threats,He even tried to shut down the site,if you don't beleive me ask to the Sheik....He is Crazy that guy,anyway you must be Crazy at first to convert to the Stupidiest and Idiotic Ideology on Earth when you come from Europe,that Guy is a NUT,a Pure Dead Brain. Onk,Onk http://tiny.cc/YFzcK
  • JEWHAWK
    " anyway you must be Crazy at first to convert to the Stupidiest and Idiotic Ideology on Earth "

    Indeed, a Christian who perpetrates this blunder should really commit him/herself to a MENTAL INSTITUTION.

    Solkhar was the TAQYIAH'S KING.

    Muslims are the GREATEST liars I've ever known. Simply unbeatable. They love to twist
    the truth, make blatant omissions and spread disinformation.

    They won't prosper in this blog.

    Those " Islam is a Religion of Peace" and " Only a Small Part of the Muslims are Radicals"
    and " Women are Respected and Protected by Islam"
    mantras/myths were debunked by John Infidelesto, Tonto, Ljcarolyne, Beejj, Hellosnackbar,
    Kal_El and SirWilhelm.

    We are ALL vaccinated against the Muslim Taqyah Virus, aka Muslim Pinocchitis.
  • Beejj
    JH, my friend, I have pondered long and hard over the fact that some people convert, without coercion, to Islam. I can but conclude that they must be life's losers - no hopers - failures - those whose conversion is their last gasp attempt to be accepted by Society, or a section of it that welcomes intellectual cripples prepared to submit to slavery; to ask no questions; to seek the brotherhood of the hopeless and to find strength in the didactic rantings of the similarly blinded followers of the nastiest, vilest monster that the human race ever produced.
  • Solkhar
    Normally I would not answer such comments but to be honest, sitting outside this cafe on a nice day (after a week of rain) I am in a very good mood and want to make a comment.

    My reason for becomi ng a Muslim is simply that the purist principles of Islam made sense for me. I cannot speak for others but I will say that there certainly are a share of people who join any religion because of bad experiences, were "saved" or the like. That is certainly the case, I have seen and met them, but that was not my case. I was still at school, 17yrs old and the basis behind Islamic principles, attracted me and answered the questions that I had which Christianity failed to do so.

    As for "last gasp to attemtp to be accepted by society" - nope, was doing well and in fact afterwards did better and represented my country for 22 years. Intellectual cripples - nope, went on to Uni and post-grad and have job that is based on intellectual necessities. Ask no questions - not amongs the circles I am with, if not in fact am a proud self-confessed sinast that always asks, "diadactic rantings" - I never listen to radical fools and rather than reading questionable blogs, histories and story books by hate-profiteers, I know the real hsitory of my faith.

    I presume you had to much to drink, your normally a bit more logical in some of your postings.
  • Beejj
    You amuse me, Solkhar. Too much to drink? Tea is not intoxicating. I wish I could say that you are a bit more logical in some of your postings, but that would be stretching the truth too much. You, old chap, have been revealed on this site as a charlatan - witness your howler concerning Christian countries punishing victims of rape. You take issue with my "intellectual cripples"? Very well, try this for size: emotional cripples. Islam is not didactic? Since when? What did that bloke say about the death penalty for homosexuality being beyond discussion because it comes from the Koran?
  • Solkhar
    I explained my point about rape, domestic abuse and children quite clearly enough, your so-called laughter is the every growing expression of reality to the postings - when you cannot argue then riddicule is the only solution. Some, like on this thread only riddicule with no logic, subject imput and self-respect.

    As for the guy talking about the death penalty , like your capacity to simply accept one person's view and then make it the global policy, we should remember that there are extreme rabbis who say the same thing - but I do not claim it is Judaism, there are evangalists that want to say the same thing but do not because of US laws, there is an entire calvinist political party with 2 seats in the Netherlands that wish to criminalize homosexuality and I am certain that would argue to "string 'em up" if the laws allowed them.

    Considering the political, educative and social backwardness of many Muslim countries - the level of radical indoctrination, it is easy to find such people. The Qur'an does not actually say anything like "homosexuality is a capitial offense" and again the simple evidence of that is how many countries is it actually a capital offense Beejj?
  • Oye, oye oye the Solker troll!

    Are there still any blogs that haven't banned you yet, Solker?

    Apart from being a diplomat, food critic, left swinging dick, FBI agent, counter terrorism expert and a petty criminal what are you now? Are you still working as a snitch for the Moroccan government dobbing in Christian missionaries?

    How much longer can you survive on the money your thieving mother stole from centre link?

    http://sheikyermami.com/2009/10/29/the-solkhar-cv/
  • funkybarfly
    I can't stop laughing.........thanks for that,sheik.
    All makes sense now.Shameful it is:sipping mint tea paid for by a welfare cheat and convicted criminal.
    It is beyond sad.
  • funkybarfly
    Still laughing.
  • solkhar
    Oh hi Werner! I noticed you moved your shop at Cairns Airport, hope it was not what all the newspapers reported about you. No, come to think again it was probably not paying the rent because you jump overseas when the bailiff comes to serve you.

    No, have not seen any other arrogant self-serving missionaries for a while though I certainly keep my eyes open.

    Tell me, you still using the excuse of being a "satirical site" when you say something ugly and "serious comment" when you say something stupid? Guess when you demand the extermination and ethnic cleansing of Muslims living in the West Bank, Gaza, Hebron and East Jerusalam as a laughing matter so thus the similar demands in the 30's to your parents was similarly funny? I think not.

    Take care Werner, keep dodging them lawyers!
  • hellosnackbar
    Oh Oh!
    Looks like we're in for a battle royal between Solkhar and the good Sheikh.
    The preamble has started off nasty and the fight should be viscious.
    I'm betting on Werner at this moment(herzlichen Glueckwunsch);but then I've a tendency to partialiy in this regard.
    But I might be forced to offer a "gefeliciteerd"to Dom (but I somehow doubt that).
    Incidently Sheik after reading yourself and your contributors I must say I had to pause for a laughter session.
  • Solkhar
    No battle, two journalists and I exposed Werner for the criminal he is, his time left on the internet is ticking down quickly enough. He is angry for being pointed out and wants some form of revenge but the number of whom is scorning him is starting to make his list for revenge growing. The town council wants him gone, the chamber of commerce expunged him so that he cannot even be called a businessman any more.

    If you check him out on the internet, you will find elements of an event that he publically embarassed himself by stating that the Cairns public did not want a Mosque to be built and then some real "public" noted that the was not a Mosque, the Muslim numbers were larger than the Jewish and that he had put a proposal to build a synagogue. That is "Werner Reimann" at his nicest. He has been exposed also on conservative sites claiming to represent many Christians under other names - as you know he is not. The Cairns Post a few years ago had an expose on the guy, the journalist now is in Brisbane but keeping a good watch on the guy. Needless to say he pissed off the Queensland Muslims, they recently tried again to put a formal case against him but Queensland laws requires that such a "private" action you have to be "served" and each time his friends (his family abandoned him a long time ago) answer the door as he has moved and uses still the old address. One time he even travelled to Bangkok when from yet another case against him had a bailif looking for him.

    I did my job for the journalists in pulling out sufficient details on the guy, that is all. He has tried to make up things and accuse me of all sorts of things, we all know that when cornered the serious criminal does not easily give up so I have no interest in the case any more and have too much work to do. I am sure he will continue "justifying" himself and continuing his smears, I will not be responding to it. You can see the quality below of his supporters, just sick foul language and mindless attacks that are beyond childish. That level of quality simply represents what Werner stands for.
  • Tonto
    Well, well. A bit of research won't hurt will it? I'll either shake your hand and apologize, or spit in your face when I see you in Florida. I'll try to be fair. I'll post a new pic so you can see me coming.
  • Solkhar
    Research makes for a lot, go to www.thewhiterogue.wordpress.com to help you get started, there is a lot more too it which I will not post on this site. You may hate my opinions, my religion but I stand by what I say and I expect not only an apologize - that you said that gives you credibility - you can then buy me a diet coke (no beer sorry).

    As for Florida, I am the SPIE Defense, Security, and Sensing 2010 Conference at the Marriott Resort, Orlando from April 6 to 8 but staying to the 10th. I am staying at the resort. So I suggest you come the last two days because I will be very busy and involved in a presentation to DHS about improved biometric data collection, your welcome to watch that but you may find it boring and I do not know when it is scheduled yet. If you want, I will bring email copies and other documentationa of all the material on that subject.
  • Tonto
    Research is always a two edged sword....it goes both ways. I have dealt with muz in the factory environment for many years, made some lifelong friends and been totally disgusted with others. I've been to Hafli and weddings, private homes, coffee houses, restaurants and hunted with muz on their property and mine for birds, deer and other critters. I've sat around campfires with them and shared stories and jokes. I even tried to smoke an narguili and learned to like emzatora. Then, the news reports since 9/11 threw a pall over all of that. Since I am a vet and suffer from PTSD (and know it), any threat to the USA makes my fangs show and I want blood....I mean I FUCKING WANT DEATH AND MAYHEM to visit the enemy. And how can anyone here trust muz after that? You have no idea how some of these characters act in this country now and how polarized some places are becoming. Even within the arab communities there are several levels of polarization. The Christians live here, and the muz live there. The various countries represented have their own polarizations. Mistrust and distrust abounds and other groups like blacks, hispanics and whites all have their opinions and prejudices. I really hate that. The cohesion of all these diverse seemed to be progressing....until the radical muz really started to rear it's ugly head. I guess you could say I'm very angry with them...and sad about it.
  • Solkhar
    I feel sorry for your situation and respect the existance of your PTSD, I know some sufferers as well, both conflict and event created. It saddens me in many ways the experience and position you express, as I keep saying, radical Muslims in the west are a new breed, often demanding things that are not acceptable over here in the real and actual Muslim world and many of them are not tolerated. People here are literraly gob-smacked that they are tolerated at all and perhaps it is us over here that know the real danger they represent. They also make the good Muslims go in hiding and some say that it is because they perceive the support and rediculous tolerance that they are alarmed and shut-up instead of standing up and fighting them. I do not completely believe that, it is really an excuse, but there is a large number of moderate Muslims in the west whom are just no longer in the calculations or even recognised as being there. The silent-lazy majority.

    The last time I was in the US, at a conference in New York I felt different, because I was on a Royal Air Maroc flight, it was like a wall was being built around the passangers as they disembarked and having a Dutch passport makes no difference when your name identifies your religous affilliation. I still go through quickly because my work obvisiously comes up because I get a "welcome to America sir" and go through quickly and two Moroccan academics I know and chatted to during the flight looked at me helplessly but knowinging as I had warned them what will happend. I went to a great Iranian Resteraunt in Little Greewich - I forget the spelling sorry - that I had been to before and even inside there the atmosphere was changed. The last time I was there, Iranian families, exiles mostly some with ladies in hijab and others as western as anyone, mixing freely with the only issue being that the place was anti-monarchist. Now there were no hijabs or beards and the owner said to me that they were either afraid to go and then be hassled by radicals and some of the westernized Iranian youth targetted them as being radicals - somehow there is no middle anymore.

    It rather makes me fed up, I am to be honest more happy over here in the better and more moderate Muslim countries. Though it is still a developing country - I can deal and accept those hassels, sometimes that aspect is fun if your a westerner, but you go to the west and the "muzzies" (I can accept that term for arse-holes and radicals) make life miserable for everyone and thus the baclash is acceptable - or you can go to a crappy country with problems and issues of the radicals and the entire country feels repressed and their is no value any more. I travel for my work and next week I will be in Istanbul and Ankara in Turkey and that is fine, I love that country and it feels a lot like Morocco. I will then have to go to Damascus which is going to be a real hassle. The country is beautiful, the old town is fantastic, the people are nice - in general. The government sucks, they will not like me and what I have to say at the meeting about their allowing unchecked and monitored funding to go through - that directly supports terrorism. They will whine and say it is everyone's problem except them, at the meeting be sure an official will insult me in Arabic and then get a shock when he finds the "Dutchman" speaks his language and I am not shy and will complain that "hamaak haf ha a'hamaak ef" (stupid is as stupid does from the Gump film) and everyone will get red faced and my point will be made. I will not go to any mosque as I know I will be approached by radicals then the police and then the radicals will be pissed off, etc, etc etc. But apart from that, I will honestly feel like going to a cafe, shopping and just being myself will be more easy even there than in some western places that have been spoilt by your "muzzies".

    speaking of research, you read the link I gave?
  • Tonto
    Yes I did read the article in the link. Same one you posted on this site. I tried to google Werner Reinmann and found that there is, evidently, a very distinguished, scholarly and accomplished German fellow of that name, but nothing about a guy from Australia. Maybe some of our Australian friends that hang out here can help me out and provide some back-up to your allegations.
    I was talking to Johno, a kid who's dad is a very close friend of mine and he said much the same of what you have said in your last writing. He's a Christian Arab of Syrian extraction. He's 100% American and a good kid. He keeps me posted about some things that I can't feel myself...and he said he gets some of the same crap from both sides.....like from non-arabs and from muz. (Muz is not derogatory. It's simply my own abbreviation). He says thare have been fights and other "incidents" but nothing very earth shaking. people are very quick to jump on things "muslim" and the attitude should be telling muz to "walk soft". Thier own arrogance and stupidity gets them in more trouble then thay can handle sometime however. Sometime young people must be taught respect with a good old fashioned ass whipping, and around here, if they step out of line too far and they get one.
  • funkybarfly
    Still laughing.
  • Beejj
    Solkhar, you take my breath away. You write about my laughter and my inability to argue, but scroll through your messages to see how often you have embellished them with LOL and the like. You tell me I have been drinking too much. You claim that Sir W is incapable of understanding. Then you pour scorn on ridicule. Perhaps you are confessing to your own shortcomings.

    "I explained my point ......" Solkhar, I did not ask for an explanation. I asked you (repeatedly) to provide evidence to substantiate your claim that in Christian countries a raped girl is punished for being raped, but you have not done so. You have been caught out in a lie, and you know it. The best you can do is to accuse me of pedantry because I continue to demand such evidence. You'd prefer us to ignore your mendacity?

    As for "the guy talking about the death penalty" for homosexual acts, he is Vanderbilt professor Awadh Binhazim, and unlike you he does not claim that the Koran does not look upon homosexuality as punishable by death. His words: "It's not our law - It's in the Koran." The professor is lying? Or might someone else be lying?
  • Thanks JEWHAWK you are a Nice Man. Of course Dominique (Solkhar) must be upset today because the Horrific News than we ate the little pig 'Solkhar Jr'....but don't worry Domonique he converted to the only true religion 2 minutes before we slice his Throat...Now he is at the Muslim Paradise with his 28 little boys under 8 years and they have a lot of Fun,i forgot to tell you than 'Solkhar Jr' was Gay.....
    Here a small Biography http://tiny.cc/CzY7c Incomplete of course of my best Friend 'Dominique' Oink ! Oink !!!!
  • JEWHAWK
    Porky, I guess you've ward off our "friend" Solkhar...Aren't you using a GARLIC-NECKLACE
    by the way ?

    Please, STAY posting in here...join our ranks !
  • Solkhar
    This event shows that a battle against radical Muslims in the west is both badly needed and will be tough. Here you have not just an average Muslim but an Imam and the resulting attack on him shows how low radicals will get. Respect for Imams are abused by radicals in allowing them to voice their ultra-conservative backward political crap and yet when one apposes them, they are attacked.

    An alternative view is this also shows that even amongst the clerics, radicals are not fully supported, which also makes all the rantings on this blog look exactly that - rantings.

    The west needs to ban the burqa, which is in fact not fully common amongst all the Muslim world, and ban the viel in government establishments. Vieled women and those in burqas are not allowed into banks in "most" Muslim countries for obvious security reasons, and for us in the Muslim World wonder how the west has not already made such bands already.

    I remember a long time ago (1988 I think) I was asked to go to the Passport main office because there was an argument with some radical Muslims. They complained that their wifes and daughters had to be photographed to have their "Dutch passports" showing thier full face and right ear (the Euro standard at that time). They said it was against their faith and they needed the passports to go on the Hajj to Mecca. I killed the argument in 30 seconds when I told them that when they take the passport to the Saudi Embassy for the Hajj Visa, the Saudis will force their wives and daughters to have photos with their hair uncovered. Go figure! They chose to go on the Hajj without their wives and daughters, breaking one of the principle five "obligations to all Muslims" to go on Hajj if they can. That is how low, radicals will go.
  • Salut Dominique (Solkhar)....it would not be simpler and better to kick the ass at this whole Muslim mob and returned it all in their shit hole forever....I think it's the way to go with the muzzzlims,the best one !
    (Off Topics),Dominique you are always welcome to my Piggery as i told you many,many times before but i had some fresh news for you all the Piggery is Converted to Islam and we have built a Mosque on the Manure Heap.....We need an Imam, I think you would fit nicely Here. Thanks in Advance Bizouuu x Porky.
  • Sorry Dominique ! I forgot the most important News....You reminds 'Solkhar Jr' the young pig that I gave your name in your honor .. Well,.. we ate Him in the holiday season, I'm sorry again ! I know you were very attached to him. Porky
  • JEWHAWK
    Welcome, Porky !!

    Your sweet, ulta-polite words to our "friend" Solkhar made my day...

    Do you reckon that the self-appointed "prophet", the Lord of the Ticks,
    Mohammad is SUPERIOR to pigs ?

    I don't think so.
    Pigs are cute...and useful.
  • JEWHAWK
    " That is how low, radicals will go "

    That what Islam is... LOW.

    You admit that, but tries to perform a "miracle" in this blog,
    that is, to differentiate the "radicals" from the rest of Islam,
    as if both weren't the same thing.

    There aren't " Good Islam" and "Bad Islam", but Islam, only.

    You could be a non-radical person because of your Christian upbringing,
    but trying to save the other muslims's reputation is of no avail.

    Islam IS radical, therefore its followers,the muslims ARE radicals. Period.
  • hellosnackbar
    So an Imam who has the temerity to voice one little voice of protest in the interests of common sense;becomes the object of hate by the screaming mob of his coreligionists.
    Islam the democracy of the mad.
  • mazabdul
    This is a case in France. The willing followers are in fact sticking to Islam because they want to. The apostasy charge exists in horrible Muslim dictatorships, not in France. So yes, it's their choice to be rowdy and unruly. If they're foreigners, deport them. If not, you can't call them anything but French citizens. As long as there is a secular structure that legally protects people from Islam's influence, there is no logical reason to go Ann Coulter on the Mohammedans. Just call them stupid and move on.

    And I'm actually an apostate now, but since I live in Lebanon *drumroll* no one cares. The trick is to keep Muslims out of power, because then it's a few people dictating to the masses. Hence the term dictatorship. Obviously Islam is a problem, for Muslims. Anyone with the common sense to steer clear of these people is fine. But my problem with you is that you think Christianity and Judaism is so much better. Either call for law treating all religions as archaic storytelling (i'll vote) or endure the backlash from constitutional religious freedom
  • hellosnackbar
    The trick is to keep Muslims out of power!!! hear hear!
    As far as Christians and Jews are concerned their influence is marginal.(they are not trying to kill me!)
    They are not of the opinion that murder can be justifide on the basis opf their respective Gods.
    Allah on the other hand is as very unpleasant angry bastard;who brooks no opposition.
    Congratulations on your apostasy Mazabdul.
    As a proclamation it demonstrates clarity of thought.
    As far as I'm concerned people of faith are no problem as long as they keep it to themselves.
    Seperation of church/mosque and state is fundamental to civilisation.
    Theocracies are for the simple minded.
    BTW is your apostasy well known or do you keep it a closely guarded secret?
  • mazabdul
    I'm glad you agree with my secular viewpoint. Unfortunately,
    Christians and Jews are creating a precedent that allows religious freedom in Western countries. This means that there is no real justification for Muslims to be banned. However, the government should know more about religious activities. In its lack of involvement in policing Scientology, America has shown the danger of letting people run all over religious freedom. All the mosques have to do is go through about 1,000 miles of legal proceedings to stay open, submit any and all statements Imams make directly to the government, allow routine searches (even if their religion disallows it) and of course social workers should set up easier ways for non-Muslims suffering in Islamic households to contact the authorities.

    I'm a university student so i get away with a lot, and Lebanon is not as firmly religious as most Arab countries. All my colleagues know, and nobody's family likes it when they announce Atheism, so only some of my family members know, others don't. In an attempt to achieve political legitimacy, most religious parties have now eased up on the rhetoric. Incidentally, The Christians have committed some of the Arab world's most notorious massacres in Lebanon and if they still wanted to they could kick up some more trouble here. So the violence of any religious group is really just based on circumstance and opportunity. In France the circumstances are gone (since most Muslims live comfortably as legal French citizens enjoying sizable benefits from the government) but the tool we would be well advised in demolishing for them is the opportunity
  • Tonto
    They should be banned just because I, personally, don't like them. I used to hunt with some muzlim guys...until a brother-in-law from Lebanon showed up. He thought he was the resident representative of the PLO....Michigan Chapter, based in Dearborn, Michigan. What an asshole! And I did almost shoot him.....the reason i didn't is because I didn't want to go to jail for such a piece of shit. And there are way too many more like that asshole showing up in Dearborn. I used to enjoy Dearborn until so many ass holes came from Lebanon and Yemen.
  • mazabdul
    So you have a homicidal dislike of Muslims and Lebanese people. Sounds healthy. Your personal differences with people do not amount to a precedent for the denial of civil rights. America fought a war against Germany and against Japan, and yet now we have citizens originating from both countries a-plenty. Individual citizens can never be vilified for the actions of others. Period.

    Oh, by the way, Muslims aren't the only people in Lebanon. There's the Arab world's biggest population of atheists, agnostics, secular free-thinkers and others. All of whom hate Israel, because it's really hard not to hate an illegal country.

    And speaking of hate, no one cares who you hate. It's a free damn country. But the bottom line is that you have to put up with other American citizens. Cause once they get naturalized Tonto, like it or not, they're your neighbors. And unless your name is Running Horse, you can't sit there getting iffy about it
  • JEWHAWK
    " All of whom hate Israel, because it's really hard not to hate an illegal country "

    They hate because they ENVY Israel's tremendous achievements in the last
    62 years.

    Is Israel "illegal" ?
    Nope.
    It is an UNITED NATION'S recognized country, therefore your remark doesn't
    reflect the reality.

    That untruthful, biased remark gives me the right to call you a LIAR.
  • Tonto
    Yeah, I could go back to the Rez if I so desired. I like it better where I can keep an eyeball on you pinda-lic-o-ca-yi and the black white people. You do some crazy stuff. Oh, and your "redneck" cracks......it really is red white boy! I had a lot of guys from Lebanon, Egypt, Yemen, Jordan, Syria and Iraq that I worked with up north. There were people from all over the world there. All the Lebanese guys talked about Beirut being the "Paris of the Med" and how free and easy things were there. How everybody got along......and how the fakestinians ruined that after King Hussein (Peace be with his soul) kicked them out of Jordan because they caused too much trouble. I even met and talked to Senator Dakroob (he was a member of Lebanon's Parliment) one time over at his brother's house in Dearborn. He'd had several bodyguards killed around him protecting him back then. I knew the Berrys too....they were related to the guy who ran Fatah. I don't hate everybody, just the assholes that want to kill me and my way of life. To those, yes, you're right. To those, I'm absolutely homicidal and would feel nothing to do them....like stepping on a sarsoor. And I've got experience with the use of the M16 too.
  • Solkhar
    I will certainly be goign back to the Lebanon soon, perhaps my next holiday destination - if I cannot find a work excuse to go there. Our Lebanese friend here is very correct that the country is not a "Muslim nation" though Hezbollah are trying to make it so. The country has some very unique constitutional laws to cover the 9 main religous groupings of the country that include the Presidency, Prime Minister, Defence Minister and Parliamentary Speaker only being designated from one of those groups.

    Though I have issues about the politics of that country, historically it had been the bastion of good relations, inter-marriage and harmony between a great mix of peoples, loosely under the banner of being Arab or Lebanese.

    Politics, neighbouring conflict and radicalism has destoryed the country, and though being re-built the previous harmony will never be the same. I watched a program about the rebuilding of the main synagogue of Beirut by the Jewish community that is now only about 100 strong and with an estimated 500 others whom have changed their names and hide their faith. The war with Israel has all but destroyed the Lebanese Jews, the infiltration of Iranian political machinations has turned the radical tap on and the Marronites sleeping with Israel has lost credibilty and respect for the major Christian community. Having said that, the biggest disaster that the Lebanon has indured is not the invasion or influence by neighbouring Syria but simply by allowin the self-destructive and poiltically incompitant Palestinians to move in and bring their conflict, hates, politics and social diseases with them. Majda Roami, amongst the greatest singers of Lebanon has a song simply called "Beirut" (sung in Arabic) and you can feel the tears in the words she sings, because that beauty has all but been destroyed.
  • Tonto
    Years ago, one of the guys that worked for me said he wanted to go back to his village in Lebanon for a 90 day leave. I start laughing and said "There is no Lebanon any more. The Israelis own the south, the Syrians own the north and the fakistinians have taken over the middle. The Lebanese have had their country stolen." He got mad at me but when he returned to work he apologized and said I was right. Lebanon had been stolen. He said that as he strolled down the street in Tibnin, fakastinian armed men demanded to see his papers and it was life or death depending on whether or not he complied. He said...."In the place where I was born, I was being told what to do by foreigners!" Pitiful.
  • hellosnackbar
    I bet you're a science student Mazabdul?
    If there are more like you then The Lebanon may become the vibrant little country that it was before religious madmen
    started that puerile my God is greater than your God shite;and turned the lovely city of Beruit into a charnel house.
  • mazabdul
    Yes, I am currently studying sciences. My hate of Muslim apologists has in fact driven much of my interest in science. I'm slacking off a bit though. Maybe I hate them less...I really do hope people like me and my colleagues appear more in Lebanon's future. And people like Hassan Nasrallah appear in a prison cell.
  • JEWHAWK
    " And people like Hassan Nasrallah appear in a prison cell. "

    The Israeli Air Force is dedicated to provide another fate for him.


    " The Lebanon may become the vibrant little country that it was before "

    Yes. Lebanon was a very nice country before its Jewish population was forced
    to flee, mainly after 1967 and the rest in 1976. Its Synagogue was looted and destroyed.
    The Late Rafic Hariri's Solidere contributed to rebuild it.
  • mazabdul
    JewHawk is right. 'Muslims' are evil because a group of them attacked an Imam who told them to get along with the Jews. And of course, we know at least one Jew who wants to send them to zoos. I really wonder where are the racial tension comes from. Muslims are not an ethnicity, they're willing followers of a faith. Just like Christians and Jews. Unless secular humanism is the platform you argue from, you're just a holy warrior. And that's amusing rather than practical
  • JEWHAWK
    Dear Mazabdul, I'd like to apologize for that remark...

    I deeply regret this rather unfortunate thought because
    if I'd send muslims to ZOOs I'd be PUNISHING the animals.


    "HOLY WARRIOR" :

    I'm not a religious person. I do believe in God AND science.
    Everything I write in this blog, right & wrong, comes from my
    head. I don't speak for anyone else, much less in the name of
    Judaism.

    I'm 90% secular, I guess.

    HUMANISM:

    I'm a humanist depending to whom I speak to.
    Could you honestly expect from me to use the same language
    when speaking about muslims and the Amish ?
    Nope.
  • funkybarfly
    "Willing" followers?
    When did Islam change it's laws concerning apostates? You won't be killed now?
    That's great news,mazabdul!
  • SirWilhelm
    When's the last time you've seen Christians or Jews wearing masks force their way into a church or a synagogue to voice their displeasure over something a priest or minister said? And oh yeah, the masks were a nice touch, it kinda makes my point about people covering themselves up in the first place. When someone covers up, you can't tell who or what they are, and in Western society, it's almost always criminals who wear masks. So covering up, especially masks, is a genuine security issue. In this incident, these guys hid themselves from their fellow Muslims, making the case of the iman they were protesting stronger still. The bottom line, for me, is that Islam is constantly trying to hide it's true face both literally and figuratively, even from itself.
  • Tonto
    The last guy that invaded a church in the US with evil intent shot a couple folks and then got blown away by a lady parishioner. They just dragged his ass away and congratulated the lady that shot the bastard on her marksmanship. My kind of woman! And by the way; I just LOVE the fact that more and more ladies in the USA are buying, getting instruction, and carrying guns in the US. Those big black frying pans are just too unfashionable to carry around for self defence!
  • JEWHAWK
    I do consider the WHOLE muslim plague as a mob.

    Muslims proved that they are too stupid, backward, savage to live in the most advanced continent
    on Earth.

    Muslims belong to ZOOS or even better, back to their original environment : the DESERT.
  • Tonto
    More and more, I'm inclined toward genocide, if that's the correct term. Islam is not a race....or a religion. More an infestation, like cockroaches, rats or mice.
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