Comments on: France: Imam who sided WITH French law, abiding by burqa ban attacked by mob of muslims

By: JEWHAWK

JEWHAWK — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:52:08 +0000

" All of whom hate Israel, because it's really hard not to hate an illegal country "

They hate because they ENVY Israel's tremendous achievements in the last
62 years.

Is Israel "illegal" ?
Nope.
It is an UNITED NATION'S recognized country, therefore your remark doesn't
reflect the reality.

That untruthful, biased remark gives me the right to call you a LIAR.

By: JEWHAWK

JEWHAWK — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:45:31 +0000

Dear Mazabdul, I'd like to apologize for that remark...

I deeply regret this rather unfortunate thought because
if I'd send muslims to ZOOs I'd be PUNISHING the animals.

"HOLY WARRIOR" :

I'm not a religious person. I do believe in God AND science.
Everything I write in this blog, right & wrong, comes from my
head. I don't speak for anyone else, much less in the name of
Judaism.

I'm 90% secular, I guess.

HUMANISM:

I'm a humanist depending to whom I speak to.
Could you honestly expect from me to use the same language
when speaking about muslims and the Amish ?
Nope.

By: Solkhar

Solkhar — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:02:43 +0000

The Governments of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Mauretania and Libya all declared in 1998 at a Maghreb Conference that the burqa or its equivelant was cultral, tribal and traditional and was not Qur'anic and thus subject to being banned in public offices (schools, government offices, etc) or by private enterprise as per national laws. It also stated that as it was cultural/tribal it was also not the place of governments to ban it altogether. There was only riots and condemnation by foreign wahabists, salafists and they were ignorned.

Often the government says what the clergy (and thus the public) are too afraid to say. The Grand Mufti of Egypt says the burqa is part of Islam yet the Grand Imam of the Cairo University and the largest and most well known school of jurispudence of Islam said it is not their in either the Qur'an or any haddiths at all and even said on television that there is no evidence that women vielled themselves or wrapped themselves up (ie like the burqa) during the time of the Phrophet and thus questioned “how and when” that was introduced. He said that the hijab was a perfect example of “modesty” as demanded in the Qur'an but said that rest is open to interpretations and said that it was important for parents to respect both the Qur'an and the sensitivities of the culture of their community (whatever that meant).

A last and I think important point for some out there that think otherwise, een Saudi women must show their faces on passports, Saudi banks have a women's entrance and they must take off any full covering for security reasons – the same goes in Iran – which tells you simply that as demeaning that cultural-tribal burqa is, if western governments banned the burqa in government buildings – the only people who would complain are themselves ultra-radical hypocrits of the first order.d

By: Tonto

Tonto — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:07:36 +0000

At last! A government commission actually acting like they have brains and thoughts! I hope it's not too much for muz dummies. Probably have a riot or two and an accompanying body count over it though.

By: Hindu

Hindu — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:12:48 +0000

Hi all

The election commission of India has declared that burqa is not integral to Islam. Wise words I think.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/24/stories/2010022...

- Hindu

By: Hindu

Hindu — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:11:30 +0000

Hi all

The election commission of India has declared that burqa is not integral to Islam. Wise words I think.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/24/stories/2010022...

- Hindu

By: Tonto

Tonto — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:08:53 +0000

Yes I did read the article in the link. Same one you posted on this site. I tried to google Werner Reinmann and found that there is, evidently, a very distinguished, scholarly and accomplished German fellow of that name, but nothing about a guy from Australia. Maybe some of our Australian friends that hang out here can help me out and provide some back-up to your allegations.
I was talking to Johno, a kid who's dad is a very close friend of mine and he said much the same of what you have said in your last writing. He's a Christian Arab of Syrian extraction. He's 100% American and a good kid. He keeps me posted about some things that I can't feel myself…and he said he gets some of the same crap from both sides…..like from non-arabs and from muz. (Muz is not derogatory. It's simply my own abbreviation). He says thare have been fights and other “incidents” but nothing very earth shaking. people are very quick to jump on things “muslim” and the attitude should be telling muz to “walk soft”. Thier own arrogance and stupidity gets them in more trouble then thay can handle sometime however. Sometime young people must be taught respect with a good old fashioned ass whipping, and around here, if they step out of line too far and they get one.

By: Solkhar

Solkhar — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:42:38 +0000

I feel sorry for your situation and respect the existance of your PTSD, I know some sufferers as well, both conflict and event created. It saddens me in many ways the experience and position you express, as I keep saying, radical Muslims in the west are a new breed, often demanding things that are not acceptable over here in the real and actual Muslim world and many of them are not tolerated. People here are literraly gob-smacked that they are tolerated at all and perhaps it is us over here that know the real danger they represent. They also make the good Muslims go in hiding and some say that it is because they perceive the support and rediculous tolerance that they are alarmed and shut-up instead of standing up and fighting them. I do not completely believe that, it is really an excuse, but there is a large number of moderate Muslims in the west whom are just no longer in the calculations or even recognised as being there. The silent-lazy majority.

The last time I was in the US, at a conference in New York I felt different, because I was on a Royal Air Maroc flight, it was like a wall was being built around the passangers as they disembarked and having a Dutch passport makes no difference when your name identifies your religous affilliation. I still go through quickly because my work obvisiously comes up because I get a “welcome to America sir” and go through quickly and two Moroccan academics I know and chatted to during the flight looked at me helplessly but knowinging as I had warned them what will happend. I went to a great Iranian Resteraunt in Little Greewich – I forget the spelling sorry – that I had been to before and even inside there the atmosphere was changed. The last time I was there, Iranian families, exiles mostly some with ladies in hijab and others as western as anyone, mixing freely with the only issue being that the place was anti-monarchist. Now there were no hijabs or beards and the owner said to me that they were either afraid to go and then be hassled by radicals and some of the westernized Iranian youth targetted them as being radicals – somehow there is no middle anymore.

It rather makes me fed up, I am to be honest more happy over here in the better and more moderate Muslim countries. Though it is still a developing country – I can deal and accept those hassels, sometimes that aspect is fun if your a westerner, but you go to the west and the “muzzies” (I can accept that term for arse-holes and radicals) make life miserable for everyone and thus the baclash is acceptable – or you can go to a crappy country with problems and issues of the radicals and the entire country feels repressed and their is no value any more. I travel for my work and next week I will be in Istanbul and Ankara in Turkey and that is fine, I love that country and it feels a lot like Morocco. I will then have to go to Damascus which is going to be a real hassle. The country is beautiful, the old town is fantastic, the people are nice – in general. The government sucks, they will not like me and what I have to say at the meeting about their allowing unchecked and monitored funding to go through – that directly supports terrorism. They will whine and say it is everyone's problem except them, at the meeting be sure an official will insult me in Arabic and then get a shock when he finds the “Dutchman” speaks his language and I am not shy and will complain that “hamaak haf ha a'hamaak ef” (stupid is as stupid does from the Gump film) and everyone will get red faced and my point will be made. I will not go to any mosque as I know I will be approached by radicals then the police and then the radicals will be pissed off, etc, etc etc. But apart from that, I will honestly feel like going to a cafe, shopping and just being myself will be more easy even there than in some western places that have been spoilt by your “muzzies”.

speaking of research, you read the link I gave?

By: Tonto

Tonto — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:06:49 +0000

Research is always a two edged sword….it goes both ways. I have dealt with muz in the factory environment for many years, made some lifelong friends and been totally disgusted with others. I've been to Hafli and weddings, private homes, coffee houses, restaurants and hunted with muz on their property and mine for birds, deer and other critters. I've sat around campfires with them and shared stories and jokes. I even tried to smoke an narguili and learned to like emzatora. Then, the news reports since 9/11 threw a pall over all of that. Since I am a vet and suffer from PTSD (and know it), any threat to the USA makes my fangs show and I want blood….I mean I FUCKING WANT DEATH AND MAYHEM to visit the enemy. And how can anyone here trust muz after that? You have no idea how some of these characters act in this country now and how polarized some places are becoming. Even within the arab communities there are several levels of polarization. The Christians live here, and the muz live there. The various countries represented have their own polarizations. Mistrust and distrust abounds and other groups like blacks, hispanics and whites all have their opinions and prejudices. I really hate that. The cohesion of all these diverse seemed to be progressing….until the radical muz really started to rear it's ugly head. I guess you could say I'm very angry with them…and sad about it.

By: Solkhar

Solkhar — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:21:42 +0000

I was there many years ago before the real combat was there, later just as it finished and the difference was shocking. I understand much has improved but by far it is not the same place. I also have friends who visted back with horror stories. One is a Muslim from Beirut with a Christian wife of Turkish origin. They were hounded and cut short their visit and was unable to attend the 50th wedding anniversay of her parents. Another was “conscripted” into the Hezbollah police (he was a junior Dutch policeman whos parents migrated to Rotterdam when he was 6months old). He was very smart, he said OK and on the first opportunity sent a message to the Dutch Embassy and then after 3 months ran the border to Syria and out Embassy there got him back home. I know his parents and his story was in the newspapers but I understand he has now some death threats, it really stinks.

I do not know what our friend thinks but I also think the Lebanon as an entity actually no longer exists, sort of for the reasons you elluded to. The constitution is flawed because it compromizes, the loyalty of people like before are gone and it is now to factions of which also is influenced or controlled by outside forces. The north and eastern frontier is for all logic actually Syrian and the south is a Shia sh*t-hole and the Christians are really half of Beirut and two other close-by cities. Mabye a city state is the option, I do not know because that means uprooting and thus a sort of ethnic-cleansing which is not acceptble, the world's politics screwed up the place no end. I hope when I visit that there is a chance for peace there, but Hezbollah will ensure that is not the case.