Alabama teen converted to islam, guess what happened next…

by Kal El on February 3, 2010 · Comments

Yeah what a shock, he went off to wage jihad for allah.

The Jihadist Next Door.

ON A WARM, cloudy day in the fall of 1999, the town of Daphne, Ala., stirred to life. The high-school band came pounding down Main Street, past the post office and the library and Christ the King Church. Trumpeters in gold-tasseled coats tipped their horns to the sky, heralding the arrival of teenage demigods. The star quarterback and his teammates came first in the parade, followed by the homecoming queen and her court. Behind them, on a float bearing leaders of the student government, a giddy mop-haired kid tossed candy to the crowd.

Omar Hammami had every right to flash his magnetic smile. He had just been elected president of his sophomore class. He was dating a luminous blonde, one of the most sought-after girls in school. He was a star in the gifted-student program, with visions of becoming a surgeon. For a 15-year-old, he had remarkable charisma.

Despite the name he acquired from his father, an immigrant from Syria, Hammami was every bit as Alabaman as his mother, a warm, plain-spoken woman who sprinkles her conversation with blandishments like “sugar” and “darlin’.” Brought up a Southern Baptist, Omar went to Bible camp as a boy and sang “Away in a Manger” on Christmas Eve. As a teenager, his passions veered between Shakespeare and Kurt Cobain, soccer and Nintendo. In the thick of his adolescence, he was fearless, raucously funny, rebellious, contrarian. “It felt cool just to be with him,” his best friend at the time, Trey Gunter, said recently. “You knew he was going to be a leader.”

A decade later, Hammami has fulfilled that promise in the most unimaginable way. Some 8,500 miles from Alabama, on the eastern edge of Africa, he has become a key figure in one of the world’s most ruthless Islamist insurgencies. That guerrilla army, known as the Shabab, is fighting to overthrow the fragile American-backed Somali government. The rebels are known for beheading political enemies, chopping off the hands of thieves and stoning women accused of adultery. With help from Al Qaeda, they have managed to turn Somalia into an ever more popular destination for jihadis from around the world.

More than 20 of those fighters have come from the United States, many of them young Somali-Americans from a gritty part of Minneapolis. But it is Hammami who has put a contemporary face on the Shabab’s medieval tactics. In a recent propaganda video viewed by thousands on YouTube, he is shown leading a platoon of gun-toting rebels as a soundtrack of jihadi rap plays in the background.

He is identified by his nom de guerre, Abu Mansoor Al-Amriki, “the American,” and speaks to the camera with a cool, almost eerie confidence. “We’re waiting for the enemy to come,” Hammami whispers, a smile crossing his face. Later he vows, “We’re going to kill all of them.”

In the three years since Hammami made his way to Somalia, his ascent into the Shabab’s leadership has put him in a class of his own, according to United States law-enforcement and intelligence officials. While other American terror suspects have drawn greater publicity, Hammami exercises a more powerful role, commanding guerrilla forces in the field, organizing attacks and plotting strategy with Qaeda operatives, the officials said. He has also emerged as something of a jihadist icon, starring in a recruitment campaign that has helped draw hundreds of foreign fighters to Somalia. “To have an American citizen that has risen to this kind of a rank in a terrorist organization ­— we have not seen that before,” a senior American law-enforcement official said earlier this month.

Not long ago, the threat of American-bred terrorists seemed a distant one. Law-enforcement officials theorized that Muslims in the United States — by comparison with many of their European counterparts — were upwardly mobile, socially integrated and therefore less susceptible to radicalization. Perhaps the greatest proof of this came with the absence of domestic terrorist attacks following 9/11, a period that has brought Europe devastating homegrown hits in Madrid and London.

America is now at a watershed. In the last year, at least two dozen men in the United States have been charged with terrorism-related offenses. They include Najibullah Zazi, the Afghan immigrant driver in Denver who authorities say was conspiring to carry out a domestic attack; David Coleman Headley, a Pakistani-American from Chicago who is suspected of helping plan the 2008 attacks in Mumbai; and the five young men from Virginia who, authorities say, sought training in Pakistan to fight American soldiers in Afghanistan.

These cases have sent intelligence analysts scurrying for answers. The American suspects come from different backgrounds and socioeconomic strata, but they share much in common with Europe’s militants: they tend to be highly motivated, even gifted people who were reared in the West with one foot in the Muslim world. Others may see them as rigid or zealous, but they envision themselves as deeply principled, possessing what Robert Pape, a professor at the University of Chicago, calls “an altruism gone wildly wrong.” While their religious piety varies, they are most often bonded by a politically driven anger that has deepened as America’s war against terrorism endures its ninth year.

It still boggles the mind how leftards across the globe are willfully blind to the obvious connection. Hint: It’s islam, dummy.

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  • John
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  • Solkhar
    John,

    you would not allow my post on Werner Reimann (aka sheik) that defends my self, and I understand that as you have already said you do not like personal attacks and personal vilification. I also understand you do not "want to be seen" having a go at another anti-jihad blogger, particularly from a Muslim - I even understand that.

    To not make yourself look the hypocrit, I think you are morally obliged to similarly erase the post below from the shiek that repeats defamative personal postings against me, or alternatively, allow me to post my response ( which is the contents now posted on www.thewhiterogue.blogspot )

    I kindly ask you erase that post, with respect.
  • Beejj
    You defended yourself? When? All I saw was your attack on the Sheik. He had written about your Grannie and her sordid past, among other things, but you wrote nothing I can recall that constituted a defence against such claims. But that is your style, isn't it? Despite your proclamations of disgust at personal attacks and name-calling, you are quick to label people idiots and ratbags and drunkards while evading their points of criticism and refusing to admit you are a liar. You think your smattering of education suffices to pull the wool over people's eyes, and while you might impress ignorant Mohammedan readers of your words, it is seen by the rest of us for what it is: flannel.
  • Solkhar
    Beejj, the only thing sordid was that the subect was raised, it is in fact factually incorrect in many aspects and certainly not something that should be a subject of a blog. The question really comes why was it posted in the first place and even then I did not instigate nor provoke such lowness. As I have mentioned above to John, the subject of my investigations into the disgusting and dirty behavior of Werner was not raised by me but I was forced to point out that his attack on my was his revenge for being caught out as linked to a number of known convicted peadophiles and was/is the subject of an investigation by Courier Mail and Age journalists, all of which I did not instigate.

    I will assume that regardless of what you think of my own style, believes or argumentativeness on this blog, that your not a supporter of a paedophile whom "enjoys trips to Bangkok" let alone sharing pictures of abused little girls and boys. That is the point and again, that I exposed him is the reason for his attack, nothing to do with Islam, Musilms, Judaism, Jews or anti-jihad.

    A last comment, what occured to family members in Australia is frankly non of your or anyone else's business and is neither relevant or related to this blog and those that raise it only reflects on their motives. That you also "use it" to somehow and misguidedly score a point makes you equally pathetic.

    The real sordid element is that one particular person/blogger under the guise of anti-jihad will be supported because you all like his words.....
  • JEWHAWK
    Dominique, since you've lied through your teeth in each and every post you've wrote in
    this blog, NOBODY is prone to believe in whatever you could say anymore.
    I've warned you to cease and desist at doing this.

    You're a MUSLIM PINOCCHIO, therefore you've lost any molecule of credibility
    someone could have.

    Taqiyah won't pay off in this blog.
  • One more thing, Solker windbag:

    "A last comment, what occured to family members in Australia is frankly non of your or anyone else's business and is neither relevant or related to this blog and those that raise it only reflects on their motives. That you also "use it" to somehow and misguidedly score a point makes you equally pathetic."


    Apropos: "non of your or anyone else's business and is neither relevant or related..."

    It is very much my business if your thieving mama defrauds my government to support her jihad-afflicted windbag son in Marrakech, where he engages in cyber jihad, da'awa, pedophilia and volunteers as a self appointed government snitch.

    I just got off the phone with a friend of mine, prosecutor for the Crown in Melbourne, to see if we can charge you being the beneficiary of your mama's fraud.

    When are you planning to visit Australia again?

    Let me know. I'll arrange the reception committee and the transport for ya!
  • solkhar
    Yeah sure, the same lawyer that is defending your porn-ring case I suppose. Your clutching at straws there let alone changing stories - according to you I am "wanted by the Dutch authorities" though I have my passport renewed, go there often and that country has extradition and social security treaties with Morocco, now you try add jihad, though I work with authorities identifying it, da'waa (which in your case is just a word), you added paedophilia because to deflect your own sexual troubles in Australia and Thailand and the only thing you have correct is I certainly will inform authorities of crimes when I see them, which I did. In contrast, your trying to deflect the hard work of two well known journalists and a serious crime commission.

    This is my last post responding to you, I have no time for your collapsing legal situation and frankly speaking I feel unclean even talking to such perverted filth who prays on little children because.
  • Solker snitch, you are just a petty criminal in Holland!

    Why should you not get your passport renewed? Its cheaper for the Dutch to have you hauled up in pedophile Marrakech than paying your keeps in Holland as a dole bludger or in the can.

    I told you before that you are a lousy fiction writer.

    "Thou shalt not bear false witness" obviously doesn't apply to a headbanger like you (there are no 10 commandments in the Koran) and if you weren't a maggot, a nasty little worm, you could be sued for defamation. But you are a nothing, a worthless PoS who lives on your mama's stolen money.

    If you feel unclean there is good reason for it.

    So when are you planning to visit Australia again?

    What's the penalty for being an accessory to fraud and being a beneficiary of it?
  • JEWHAWK
    Dear Sheik, THANK YOU for giving this muslim weasel a hard time !
  • Solker troll, "thu shalt not bear false witness"

    If you had a penny to your name I would sue your sox off for slander and defamation, but you are just a worthless petty criminal and a dole bludger hiding in pedophile infested Marrakesh.

    Even as a fiction writer you are a failure, solker troll.

    I happen to have your rap sheet as well as that of your thieving mama, the only thing that prevents me from posting it is that it compromises the investigating officers.

    Mister Werner has nothing in common with the pedophile you worship and is merely a very generous sponsor of the sheik yer'mami website. He is also a very, very wealthy person with worldwide connections, even with connections to the king of Morocco. (kings financial advisor is a Jew in case you don't know)

    But hey, your mama stealing money from centrelink to support her miscreant, criminal son is none of our business. Pointing it out makes "us equally pathetic".

    Islamo logic at its best, solker. Keep spinning!
  • Solkhar
    Try another one there, if your not Werner then you have nothing to fear or be defamed, eh? You may share the same name as some American billionaire, but I doubt he spent his time running a Ciarns Airport giftshop.

    There is enough evidence from the Cairns Post for example - Mr Werner Reimann, former gift shop owner at Cairns Airport and owner of the Winds of Jihad website.

    The Mr Werner Reimann, a Cairns Businessman trying and failing to stop the building of a Mosque.
    www.crescentsofbrisbane.org/Newsletter/CCN0144.as

    chasingevil.org also identifies you as does goldcoastislam.com.au

    You posted on a blog (http://umarlee.com/2008/01/24/error-in-the-war-... ) under your own name and it starts with:

    "Werner Riemann // January 29, 2008 at 8:08 am | Reply "

    What a pethetic bunch of wankers you are!"

    and finishes with:

    "Read about it on my blog.

    http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/27/muslim-immig...

    I think we can stop the charade now, we know your identity.


    What a joke, the Jews of Morocco would never associate with a trashsite such as yours, thus any connection to the King of Morocco is simply laughable, I know personnaly the leading Jews in Morocco and I know they will laugh. If you think your so correct on that, why not come over here and prove it....

    What is sad was that I was brought into the picture to watch you from the anti-Islam point and I concentrated on that, confirming that dark side, it was the team in Australia that had no interest in that but your sick-and disgusting side.
  • Yes, Solker snitch, that's what I tried to explain to you all along but you're simply too dumb to connect the dots:

    mister Reimann does not spent his time running a Ciarns Airport giftshop. He has investments, interests, companies that produce things and he supports Israel.

    Your link above is a dud. The reporters you claim to get your info from have been sacked.

    Mister Reimann NEVER posted on "umarlee" and you, one of the worst internet shysters the world has ever known, should be able to tell the difference between a prank and reality. Even the name spelling is wrong.

    No solker troll, the "leading Jews in Morocco" would not even spit on you, let alone shake your hand.
  • Beejj
    The purpose of my post was to highlight the fact that I had not seen a defence from you against the matters the Sheik had raised and to lend support (although not needed) to John when you accused him of denying you the right of reply (John does not function in that way). Frankly, your Grannie's past is none of my business, nor am I interested in it: our legal system attends to such matters, as it seems to have done so. Do not claim I like the Sheik's words concerning your Grannie and her nefarious activities. The only reason I am active on this site is to do battle with your vile "religion", although I admit I occasionally take up the cudgels against that dangerous entity who inhabits the White House and his carefully selected cronies. That your Grannie has seemingly fallen foul of the law is not the issue, so don't try to say I am trying to make hay from her demise, if such, indeed, has befallen her. Read my words again and take note of the fact that YOU are my target; you and your filthy "religion" - the "religion" that preaches death for apostasy and condones living torture for women and cruel death for those of them who are deemed to have breached the tenets of a madman. This brings me to your claim that the Sheik is a paedophile. I'll leave it to him to reply to you, but it amuses me that you view his alleged activities with disgust while following a "prophet" who displayed a taste for infant female flesh.
  • JEWHAWK
    " He had written about your Grannie and her sordid past "

    LOL!!!!

    The word "sordid" is powerful !

    What a wonderful post, Beejj!!
  • ouch!
  • I allowed your post. What are you talking about. I'll check to make sure
    but I think you posted it on multiple threads, some may have been
    auto-flagged as spam. I don't censor people except for extreme circumstance.
    you should know that by now.
  • Solkhar
    Thanks for the clarification, I assume it was the auto-flagging and I appreciate your allowing the posts. Please accept my appology if I sounded accussing. Personally, I think his and my being forced to come out with the real reasons for his rediculous attacks as both being not worthy of postings. I certainly did not want to go down that track and it was not me that started it or is making a thing about it. Though it your blog, I still request you take out both of them.
  • Why remove them? You made your case, so did the Sheik. No reason to censor it.
  • JEWHAWK
    Dominique, something tells me that you are not a happy person, otherwise you simply
    wouldn't have pleasure in barging in a website in which your point of view isn't shared nor
    tolerated.

    Why don't you leave ?
  • Tonto
    The kid sounds like the star, hometown hero football player that got bored with football and thought he'd become a killer. Then he found out he liked to kill, and this is how he feeds his "jones". Not all that unusual either. Even as far back as before the Revolution in America, there were renegades that identified with the "other side" be it the British, the French or Indians that went on raids or fought in battles against their own. Some even became infamous. Benidict Arnold comes to mind. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it ain't all that unusual. Remember, it was Apaches that tracked down Geronimo. That kind of behavior will happen as long as there are independent thinkers, no matter how many others think they're wrong. Somebody will whack his ass sooner or later. In the meantime, all he is, really is just another bush bandito from somewhere else.
  • Tonto
    From what I been hearing, you can go into some high schools in the big cities that have an arab and/or muzleem population, and pick out the muz youth that would be most likely susceptible to become radicalized. Some of these muz kids swagger around and are disruptive as hell. They need a real good ass whipping but nobody wants to take them on. They're even very disrespectful to their teachers. When they get suspended or expelled, or complaint about their behavior arise, they scream and cry "discrimination".
  • Sorry Jewhawk,I just saw my mistake. (lol) Moreover it had no sense that a fool like Dominique (the Crappy Mahomedan) can say something sensible one days.
  • 'It should be ILLEGAL to marry to muslims " Dominique.
    First time Dominique you says something with common sense,Congratulations! It's never too late.....
    I know you are not very Bright nevertheless Dominique I asked you a question...Did not you ever noticed that the Prophet Mohamed were Completely Mad (Crazy) and a Psychopat Killer?...Did you notice anything, not the slightest thing ? This was not obvious to you ?...Hum,Hum !
    It makes me believe that yourself you must be Totally Crazy,a real Human Crap as all the muslims !

    'off Topic' not so off after all....Dominique i have a problem here at the Piggery since the pig farm is converted to Islamic Faith,we are full of Quran anywhere lying around in manure,slurry and pig piss on the floor, do you think it is forbidden in the Koran to shit and piss on the Koran because the Hogs would not want go to Hell and it is very hard for them to restrain themselves when they see one .... Could you Please gave us a good advice of "what to do" it would be very appreciated because after all the hell is a think Twice ! We want become Good Devout Muslim as You,you are the perfect Model for the Piggery and we are Proud Muslims. Porky ( your only friend) x.
  • JEWHAWK
    "First time Dominique you says something with common sense"

    No, Porky!!

    It was me who said that...

    The only thing Dominique could say that I could deem useful it'd be
    " I will kill myself. Goodbye, you bunch of infidels"

    I'd drink a cold beer for that.
  • hellosnackbar
    Commiserations dear Americans the dead hand of Islamic ideology seems to have penetrated thoroughly the great land of the free.
    The question is: Who perverted this lad's mind with the egregious shit of jihadism?
    It is patently obvious that there are such scum alive and kicking and free to wander the great land of the free;poisoning the minds of susceptible young fools.
    It's not a new phenomenon; since we have a plethora of similar dangerous,mind poisoned fanatics here(MI5 keeps watch on 2500 of the bastards).
    It begs the question as to whether Islam as a whole should be proscribed?
    Solkhar would probably disagree on this point on the basis of freedom of worship.
    But there is demonstrable mental pathology here;the difficulty being in differentiation of the harmless from the dangerous.
    Perhaps quarantining the faithful on one of the Aleutian Islands;for say 20years might be a solution.
    Freedom to live on the mainland based on a formal declaration of apostasy.
    And any deviation from the signed declaration be answered by life internment.
    Extreme perhaps;but I'm reminded of the words of Air Marshal(bomber Harris);when he told the Germans that the lives of all Germans were not worth the life of one British grenadier.
    Harris was an extreme, brutal counter terrorist ;but a very effective one, as history has demonstrated.
    The FBI have much work to do ;and Barry should give them a free hand.
  • What happened to the luminous blond? Did she wise up, pray tell? HELLO!
  • JEWHAWK
    She did marry Tiger "woody" Woods. LOL!!
  • JEWHAWK: That deserves the smartest answer for the year award! I Like your humor.
  • Solkhar
    "It still boggles the mind how leftards across the globe are willfully blind to the obvious connection. Hint: It’s islam, dummy."

    Hint: it is radicalism, dummy.
  • Kal_El
    Right, it's radicalism, which is built into islam, thanks to the example set by the pedophile Muhammad. Which is why we never see the so-called moderate/non-radical muslims do anything worth a damn to stop/prevent acts of jihad.
  • Solkhar
    The Muslim world can be accused of many things and many of them will be right, but it has all to do with the people running it and the thousand variants of how people use the name of religion for their benefit.

    If anything, the best and most severe criticism is that the Muslim World is a few hundred years and in some places more, behind the Christian world in reforming the power of theocracy, the scattered variants of dogma and so on. "Christianity" was never reformed, but the Christian World was - that same argument goes with Islam and it is as simple as that.

    To say that Islam is evil automatically sends the same message that Christianity is evil, because in its most simple element, go back in the past before that world was reformed and there was enough of the same misquoting, claiming of horrors in the name of God and Christ and powerful theocrats as is happening now with Muslims. The variants only being the politics of today. We can add that the thousands of variables that forced or allowed reform in the Christian world are as complex as the thousand different reasons that there has been none in the Muslim world.

    Your argument that Islam is evil falls flat simply because the vast bulk of Muslims are not, yet are faithful to the principles of Islam. Your "proof" is the assumption that the politics of Muslims and Muslim nations or their tribal and cultural backwardness represents the religion and somehow they all are "the same" or "the like" in every Muslim country from Indonesia to Albania, from Senegal to Tajikistan, from Bosnia to Saudi Arabia or from here in Mali to Turkey. That asumption is ludicrous. The excuse of "living with the ummah" is in reality nothing, it represents the places you have been and seen through the eyes a temporary visitor with all the ideas, ideals and prejudices that comes with it. That same argument is used by Muslims whom incorrectly think they know the west because they lived amongst them, and I tell them so to their faces often enough.

    Using examples that are frankly laughable because they are picked and stacked, thus not reflecting or a quantitive same of the normal life of Muslims is as bad and "as stupid" as the hilariously arrogant assumption that non-Muslim pretend-academics cut & paste samples of the Qur'an and haddiths, incorrectly then put the same value to each and assume they are all "instructions" to the Muslim world.

    Radicalism is an issue and yes there is even a war agains them and those whom wage war against the west and anyone who gets in their way. Yes it should be feared, battled against and the pathetic argument that you and others give that it is Islam itself falls flat constantly, because the arguments given are stupid; you forget that the war on terror is being waged by Muslim countries with the assistance of western nations and that they are not all "on the side of the terrorists", why is that Kal_El? I will agree that many Muslim governments are not doing enough to stop jihadism, but I take you to task and find it arrogantly stupid to generalize and say that "all Muslims" do nothing. Go to a rice paddy in central Java and ask an 80 year old lady looking after her cows and ask abuse her, you arrogant twat. I will also say that it is not even all Musims governments, with many working hard to keeping out and fighting radicals and terrorists, that is one of the reasons why I chose to live were I do.

    You may like to say exciting things, I can only assume your saying and posting such crap because your obviously bored and like to see your name there, eh?
  • SirWilhelm
    "To say that Islam is evil automatically sends the same message that Christianity is evil, because in its most simple element, go back in the past before that world was reformed and there was enough of the same misquoting, claiming of horrors in the name of God and Christ and powerful theocrats as is happening now with Muslims. The variants only being the politics of today."

    This demonstrates one thng about you that bothers me the most Solkhar. You fail to see the evil that is inherent in Islam. As you point out, there were problems with "misquoting" and "claiming of horrors" and, may I add, much leeway in interpreting scripture, in the early days of Christianity, which led to the reformation. The reasons Islam has not been reformed to any significant extent in it's 1400 some years, is because it is structured to resist reform. You have to be aware, if you are a Muslim as you say, of the provisions that demand absolute obediance to Allah, and the punishment for apostasy. There is nothing comparable in any other religion that I know of. No matter what other aspects there are in the Quran and Islam that might appear to offset these things, there is more that makes Islam evil. One of them is that it makes all its women slaves. You're right about one thing there "it has all to do with the people running it", the people running it are all the males. That may be the most evil thing of all about Islam, half it's members have no rights, unless you think slaves have "rights".
  • Solkhar
    Jewish and Christian dogma was there also originally seeking absolute obidience to the words and commandments of God. Your again making "your interpretations" and as I mentioned in another post here, your assumming that what the radicals say is the only way, why do you only listen to them?

    The Islamic World is just as geared for reformation as Christianity, and there is nothing "more" that makes Islam evil and it certainly has everything to do with the people running it and it started as soon as the haddiths were written. What was the place, station and life of women until that reformation came? Go look up on the net when women got the vote in Switzerland. Go look up political parties in The Netherlands and note the Calvanist party that has 2 seats in parliament and their platform - forbidding women to hold public office. I will add that what you think the Qur'an and Islam itself says about women is your interpretation or perhaps a misguidded view that was stimulated by someone with an agenda. I should remind you that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan had a Female head of government, Bangladesh that suffers a strong radicalism has a Female head of state, the previous was also one. Is Queen Rania of Jordon a non-existant figure, even now Saudi Arabia has a female minister, as does now three in Iran. I suggest you rethink what you know about women in the Islamic World and 1) get the facts right, 2) distinguish what is cultural and tribal and 3) stop reading agenda-based sources.

    If the Muslim world had its reform, what you "think is evil" would not be there (and they are not everywhere as you think anyhow) and those elements were all part of the "man made" portion and thus earmarked for being taken out.
  • Bronwyn
    Solkhar, you must take a deep breath because you are talking nonsense. You say that condemning Islam automatically condemns Christianity. Then you move on without establishing the fatal nexus that makes every criticism of Islam applicable to Christianity. This is foolish. Your assertions are foolish. Solkhar, look at the doctrine.

    Islam requires submission at the point of the sword. It preaches loathing of Christian and Jew and all others who refuse it. The Koran teaches to kill the infidel and kill the apostate. There is no disputing this. The Koran teaches that the only sure way to heaven is to kill others for the sake of Islam. Someone who dies in this pursuit will go to Paradise. Otherwise, the poor Muslim is doomed to live his life in uncertainty. His good deeds must outweigh the bad deeds or he will go to hell. But, how much does a good deed weigh? Are they as weighty as the bad deeds? Does the rate of exchange make it imposible to earn salvation by good deeds? Suppose you slip at the last moment? No. The only sure escape for the Muslim is a path of death and destruction. (Mohammad himself did not know if he were saved. I find this amazing that some one who led a life of unbroken, unrepentant savagery would have any doubt as to his ultimate destination. No doubt, he anticipated the vengeance of heaven.)
    For some fantastic and unexplained reason, Solkhar, you associate these doctrines of Islam with Christianity. You equate the doctrines of turning the other cheek, the necessity of forgiveness and love of your neighbor with Islam's bloody tenets. Christianity actually celebrates the triumph of mercy over judgment. Perhaps you should read the New Testament before making these fantastic attempts to equate these vastly different doctrines.

    Islam worships death. It leaves death and destruction as the only way to escape eternal hell. The true believer of Islam actually needs unbelievers or else they would have no certain way to get to Heaven. If there were no infidel to butcher, how could one be rewarded for killing them and get 72 virgins despite his sins?What an absurd result! (BTW what do the women get?)

    Note that we did not speak of the fruit of Islam as a way to judge its moral health. The fruit of Islam is ignorance, insanity and widespread death. Consistent results for 1400 years. I am with Stompykitty on this. Islam is inherently evil.
  • hellosnackbar
    Ah Queen Boudicca Bronwyn your chariot scythes are as sharp as ever!
  • Beejj
    Love you and Christine more with each passing day!
  • Christine_S
    :-)



    This is my new avatar...for now. I have been unable to decide, but the new default is awful...not very gender-friendly.
  • Bronwyn
    Long time no see. It feels good to be home. : )
  • "The Muslim world can be accused of many things and many of them will be right, but it has all to do with the people running it and the thousand variants of how people use the name of religion for their benefit."

    IMO Solkhar, this means the foundation of Islam is negative & flawed. If, after all this time, Islam cannot rise above, perhaps it is because they follow the teaching too closely.
    You think it's ridiculous to say "Islam is evil"? Okay. Islam is inherently evil.
  • Spin it, Solker boy, spin it!

    "the Muslim World is a few hundred years and in some places more, behind the Christian world in reforming ..."

    Islam is perfect, solker boy. It can't be reformed. What are you? An apostate? A heretic?

    "somehow they all are "the same" or "the like" in every Muslim country from Indonesia to Albania, from Senegal to Tajikistan, from Bosnia to Saudi Arabia or from here in Mali to Turkey. That asumption is ludicrous."

    Solker boy, all muslims, like all dogs, share certain characteristics.

    http://sheikyermami.com/2008/06/30/all-muslims-...

    "Radicalism..." blah blah, spin spin blah blah...

    What it boils down to is this:

    Muslim scholar Bassam Tibi:

    “Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world…. If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them. … Those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them”

    If it wasn't for the OPEC bonanza, there wouldn't be a jihad. Mohammedans would be illiterate, stoopid and poor in the desert where they belong. And solker boy would still be a dole bludger and a petti-criminal.

    The solker tool disseminates but one message:

    “The chief weapon in the quiver of all Islamist expansionist movements, is the absolute necessity to keep victims largely unaware of the actual theology plotting their demise. To complete this deception, a large body of ‘moderates’ continue to spew such ridiculous claims as “Islam means Peace” thereby keeping non-Muslims from actually reading the Qur’an, the Sira, the Hadith, or actually looking into the past 1400 years of history. Islamists also deny or dismiss the concept of ‘abrogation’, which is the universal intra-Islamic method of replacing slightly more tolerable aspects of the religion in favor of more violent demands for Muslims to slay and subdue infidels”

    It won't happen, solker boy. Your mama's money will run out, you will be a lonely Dutch-Aussie dickhead (shame be upon you) hiding from the law in Morocco, and at the end of the day you will seek help from Dutch dhimmies. But if all fails you can rely on me: I promise to send you the rope you need to hang yourself! All you need is ask....
  • hellosnackbar
    Well dear Sheikh back you bounce with much spleen and added bile.
    I agree with your thesis that so called moderate Muslims are simply a diversion to allow their so called extremist co religionists room to manouver.
    The lack of sincere condemnation is evidence of this.
    Why should Muslims and their abominable barbaric dogma be accepted in the civilised world?
    None whatsoever!but Solkhar argues that the majority are peaceful and law abiding and are just striving to make a living.
    Well perhaps!;but their relatives seem to be imbued with a greater ambition to over run us by degrees.
    Islam is evidentially a supremacist political fascist ideology;that seeks domination on the basis that the precepts of Moped and his hand puppet Allah are the only way(submit or die?).
    I have much more sympathy for PM Howerd's philosophy of FIFO(fit in or fuck off).
    A philosophical gem that in my view the civilised world should adopt.
  • solkhar
  • Even as a fiction writer you are a failure, solker!
  • funkybarfly
    Solkhar(stupid fucking name) doesn't respond to logic.You should know that.He is the thin edge of the dhimmi wedge and that's all.He is the animal carcass in the wellspring of freedom and civility.A good old fashioned double-agent of the enemy.As for the rope,I would happily send him some silken double-braided marine-strength rope free of charge to hasten his trip to seventy two rockape stone age moustached virgins.
  • Beejj
    Your mention of the 72 virgins prompts me to wonder if Mohammedan women have to wear their blankets, etc in Paradise. If not, why not?
  • JEWHAWK
    " But if all fails you can rely on me: I promise to send you the rope you need to hang yourself! All you need is ask... "

    What a generous soul !!

    And all I did was to ask Solkhar/ Dominique to kill himself without offering any help for that noble endeavour.

    Dear Sheik, please, share your enlightning thoughts with us more often, will ya?
  • Tonto
    Christianity went through several "reformations"....that's where the so-called Protestant came from. Even the "Church of England" went down and up in a couple "reformations". The greatest contribution to secularizing what used to be a semi theocratic Europe was the safe places people had to run away to like the "New World" and "Down Under", but most especially, America after our Revolution. Once the US were established, there was an absolutely secular place to go and practice religion as you pleased....mostly. Islam has no where to run any more. I think many folks ran to the US, started new lives, assimilated and became a very moderate and devout muz that rejected many of the ancient world customs and usages we see in islaminazi radicals today. Then the islaminazis followed them to Europe and the US....what's next??? Who can say.....but, I personally think, things will get very, very nasty before a solution is found.
  • Kal_El - you guys got it right on. If you find out about the 'dumb blond' let me know.
  • JEWHAWK
    So much for the theory in which poverty drives people to terrorism...

    If that would be true, there would be terrorists here in Brazil where
    there are a lot of poor, even people living in misery. But they are not
    terrorists.
    Why ?
    Because they are Christians, not muslims.

    Americans should stop muslims from entering their country. The consequences are
    too dire to ignore. Muslims weren't, aren't and won't be trustworthy to coexist with us,
    the infidels.

    What the heck this woman had in mind when she married a Syrian ??
    Why did she do it ?

    It should be ILLEGAL to marry to muslims and converting to Islam in America
    and elsewhere interested in keeping its core values and sheer safety.

    Muslims are programmed to kill since the day they were spawned until
    they die with explosives in their underware, suicide-vest, car bomb, bike bomb,
    and even ANUS BOMB.

    Those muslims who aren't directly participating in terrorist acts, do praise the
    "martyrdom operations" against the infidels and give candys at their filthy streets.
  • Tonto
    Poverty drives terrorism? That's nuts. Poor people are much more concerned with making a living....like them pork chops don't climb up on them plates by themselves! Like a friend of mine said : In Afghanistan, they got a choice. Work 18 hour days in poppy fields or join somebody's army. Joining somebody's army is the lazy man's preference. Taliban pays those guys to fight. Same going on in Iraq. And it's all justified by the koran and islam. It's all in the interpretation.
  • Don't forget breast bombs Jewhawk!
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI...
  • JEWHAWK
    Dear Stompykitty, I've read your link and I must admit that I'm shocked !

    What further new evidences the politically correct folks will need to convince
    themselves that muslims will stop at nothing until they kill or convert
    all of us?

    I hate Allah.
    I despise his "prophet" Mohammad.
    I loathe the Qur'anus.
    I detest Mecca & Medina.
    I abhor all muslims.

    Let's give Solkar an explosive suppository for his trip to Mecca.
    Bon Voyage, Dominique!
  • Yeah, I didn't figure most people have seen that yet. I think I was shocked for like... 5 seconds. Then I just wasn't all that surprised, ya know?
    Are you familiar with wnd.com? They are a great news source & reputable when I have researched their stories. Very pro-Israel & very up to the minute on radical Islam.
  • Solkhar
    "What the heck this woman had in mind when she married a Syrian ??
    Why did she do it ?

    It should be ILLEGAL to marry to muslims "

    As I keep saying, disgusting filth like this is AS BAD as the propoganda that Hamas and Hezbollah gives and thus should be given the same respect.
  • SirWilhelm
    I'd like to see Islam outlawed as a hostile politcal organization, how's that for radicalism? And it IS a political organization disguised as a religion, and the religious disguise is a warrior cult, the military arm of the organization. Islam tries to impose sharia law wherever it becomes dominate, that's a politcal move, and sharia law dictates every facet of life making everyone a slave to Allah, and slaves have no political rights, and since he's not really present, his "representatives" are more than happy to to fill in for him, and reap the benefits. The existence of the Islamic Caliphate, in some shape or form, since it's inception to it's ending with the demise of the Ottoman Empire, is further proof that Islam is political. It's demise was caused more by internal political rivalry than it was by competition with the West. The West actually propped it up as long as they could. And the Islamic jihad today is really the last gasp of Islamic Imperialism, the last chance for the House of Islam to impose it's will on the world, before it's own awakening members transform it into the real religion it claims to be by finally reforming it.
  • Solkhar
    "Islam tries to impose sharia law wherever it becomes dominate, that's a politcal move, and sharia law dictates every facet of life making everyone a slave to Allah........"

    No, Muslim theocrats try to impose sharia and as you should know, most Muslims countries have rejected it and chose secular systems, thus making your point incorrect from the first point.

    "The existence of the Islamic Caliphate, in some shape or form, since it's inception to it's ending with the demise of the Ottoman Empire, is further proof that Islam is political. "

    No, wrong again, the Ottomans claimed to be a Caliphate but was rejected by those not under the Ottomans. There is no "existance" of a Caliphate now, it is soundly rejected, by every country and by most Muslims. Only the most hard-line radical claims it, in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan and in mosques in the West, but the rest laugh at the concept as being stupid.

    I am dissapointed that you even mentioned it in fact is laughable and obviously without thought - be logical for a start, which Caliphate run by which Caliph and under which banner? There were four Caliphs and the rest were "rulers" perhaps trying to unite the Muslims under one leader, but it failed from the onset.

    The argument for a Caliphat today or giving it resepect or value is a mistake. Is it a wahhabist Caliph, a salafist or what? Does that incorporate Shia Islam? Get the drift? If a Celiphate was even remotely serious, why are the Governments and masses of Muslims on the street demanding it?

    I will only agree with you in that the Musim world was not reformed. Not Islam, just as much as Christianity was not reformed (was the Christian world or we should say the power and influence of theocrats that was). It is dogma, theocratical rule, it is the multitude of fractured power-bases in various groups of mosques ignoring the five schools of jurispudence, these are the elements that need reform and badly. It was in the past, albiet slowly, that needs to be restarted.
  • Storm_Rider
    "There is no "existance" of a Caliphate now, it is soundly rejected, by every country and by most Muslims. Only the most hard-line radical claims it, in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan and in mosques in the West, but the rest laugh at the concept as being stupid." Islamic Propaganda

    "There is no "existence" of a Third Reich now; it is soundly rejected, by every country and by most Germans. Only the most hard-line radical Nazi claims it, in the mountains of Bavaria, but the rest laugh at the concept as being stupid." Nazi Propaganda

    Why do we allow Islamic Propaganda to be spread from this website?
  • hellosnackbar
    Why do we allow Islamic propaganda to be spread from this website?
    So we can castigate it for the excrement it so obviously is!
  • Storm_Rider
    "Muslim theocrats try to impose sharia and as you should know, most Muslims countries have rejected it and chose secular systems, thus making your point incorrect from the first point."

    No, most Muslim nations allow Sharia Law to function in the background where it trumps their so-called secular law. Other nations such as Iran and Saudi Arabia allow Sharia Law to function in the foreground where it is the declared and written law of the land. Egypt is a so-called "secular" Muslim nation - not true - Egypt's "secular" law takes a back seat to Sharia Law.

    Egyptian Constitution - Article 2:
    "Islam is the religion of the state and Arabic its official language. Islamic jurisprudence is the principal source of legislation."

    http://www.uam.es/otroscentros/medina/egypt/egy...

    "According to the 1980 amendment of the Constitution, Islamic Law (Sharia) became the principal source of legislative rules. Such wording simply implies that any new law that is being enacted or considered for enactment should not be in contravention of any prevailing principles of Islamic Law (Sharia)."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Egypt

    Your points are not only incorrect - they are purposeful lies. Solkhar, as all liars, should be banned from IAC.
  • SirWilhelm
    It's not Muslim theocrats that impose sharia, it's the ordinary Muslim that is the soldier that brings sharia into a country at the grass roots level. When they have the numbers, they build mosques, and start insisting their rules, lifetstyles and "culture" be recognized. Through Islam's breeding program and continuing infiltration by immigration they maintain their superiority in numbers in the countries they already dominate, and are trying to eventually dominate in non-infidel countries. By applying sharia within their own communities, they maintain their cohesion and discipline. By demanding recognition of sharia as a "religious" practice, they maintain it's legitimacy despite secular law. When they think they have the numbers, they try to replace secular with sharia. It takes numbers, an army of Muslims, not inidvidual radicals, to achieve those objectives. The radicals are trying through violence to hurry and shorten that process, but they share the goals.

    The Ottoman Empire was the last remnant of the shattered remains of the original Caliphate. It was not recognized by those Muslims outside it because they wanted the leadership of the Caliphate for themselves, the reason the Caliphate broke up in the first place. Yes, it is radicals that want to see the Caliphate restored, and anyone of them would love to be the new Caliph, especially Ahmandinejad, but they still share the goal, not only of a restored Caliph, but of a world wide Caliph, and they know this would require the destruction and conquest of the West. If they succeed in that, then they will fight among themselves, as they have since the beginning of the Umayyad dynasty, when the umma was transformed from "Allah's community" to an ordinary empire. The governments and masses of Muslims are not demanding it overtly, but would welcome it if it comes.

    How can you say Christianity was not reformed? Can you point to any Christian theocracies anywhere today? Or do you too believe that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are Crusades? Other than that, I'm glad you recognize the problem of Islamic reform, but are there enough of you in the Muslim world to be able to reform Islam?
  • Please don't compare Christianity to Islam, Solkhar.
  • Solkhar
    Why not, rather make up a different history?
  • As funkybarfly says, for the sake of good taste.
    I would REALLY prefer not to see Christianity & Islam in the same sentence (per your earlier posts). They are worlds apart. Their ONLY common thread is Abraham. Let's leave it there.
  • I feel the need to add: I do not want to see Islam & Christianity in the same sentence unless it is pointing out their differences, because I may do this on occasion. Is that hypocritical? My apologies. They are nothing alike in my view.
  • SirWilhelm
    It's highly ironic to compare Islam to Christianity when Islam is dedicated to destroying and replacing Christianity and it's roots, the Jewish relgion.
  • Exacta-mundo SirWilhelm.
  • funkybarfly
    Agreed,stompykitty.For the sake of good taste if nothing else.
  • JEWHAWK
    Dear Dominique, it's not propaganda, but the bare-naked TRUTH what I've said.

    If you didn't like it, write something you could actually back up.

    Sir, what do you try to accomplish by writing a heap of lies in this blog ?
    Could you confess that you are being paid to do so or you simply do it
    out of fun ?
  • Dominique is not being paid. How do I know? No one in their right mind would do so. If perchance you do find out what happened to the luminous blond, let me be the first to know. Very interesting, and very stupid for American parents to allow their daughter to date such as that. It was all about appearances. (pure D pride) Looks or no looks, Omar Hammami was a loser.
    Haven't you noticed the most likely to succeed in High School, is someone that most likely will fail in life. Not every time, but this was a done deal. Maybe he will be POTUS some day. LOL
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