UN asking if bin Laden assassination was legal

by Kal El on May 5, 2011 · View Comments

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Was 9/11 legal? 3/11 in Madrid? 7/7 in London? Lockerbie? I believe I am not alone when I say, emphatically, “FUCK THE UN!”. These are the same jackasses who sat idly by while the mullahnazis in Iran were gunning down people protesting rigged elections in 2009. Same with the slaugher in Sudan. It’s okay for millions of Christians/Animists/etc to be butchered, but kill one muslim known for inciting jihadis to blow themselves up, and they whine about human rights.

U.N. Official Questions Legality of Bin Laden’s Killing

He was the FBI’s “Most Wanted” terrorist for killing thousands of innocent Americans, but just days after U.S. Navy SEALs stormed Usama bin Laden’s Pakistan compound and killed the Al Qaeda leader, a U.N. official wants to make sure the operation was carried out legally.

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay called Thursday for a “full disclosure of the accurate facts” on Usama bin Laden’s killing.

“The United Nations condemns terrorism but it also has basic rules of how counter-terrorism activity has to be carried out,” Pillay told reporters in Oslo. “It has to be in compliance with international law.”

Pillay’s comments come just one day after U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder assured the Senate Judiciary Committee that the raid on bin Laden’s northern Pakistan compound was a “lawful” operation and “an act of national self-defense.”

White House spokesman Jay Carney reiterated Holder’s comments, saying there was “no question” about the legality of the mission.

The White House has released conflicting details about the 40-minute raid. On Monday, the White House said bin Laden was armed when he was shot dead, but Carney corrected that statement one day later, saying the Al Qaeda chief was unarmed before being gunned down. Fox News learned Thursday that bin Laden was within reach of two weapons during the attack – an AK-47 and a Makarov handgun.

The changing story has raised doubts over assurances that the team of U.S. Navy SEALs was prepared to take bin Laden alive.

“If he had surrendered, I think — attempted to surrender — I think we should, obviously, have accepted that,” Holder told the Senate committee.

“But there was no indication that he wanted to do that. And, therefore, his killing was appropriate,” Holder added.

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  • hellosnackbar

    Bleatings from the United Numbskulls.
    There was an assassination incident years ago in Gibraltar ;when an SAS soldier emptied the magazine of a Browning 9mm into an IRA terrorist believing he was about to detonate a car bomb, parked on the Gibraltar
    main street.
    In a subsequent discussion on television some ex SAS trooper said he was not trained to arrest people.
    Except of course to arrest their life processes.
    One can read about this event by googling”death on the rock”.

  • Tsquared

    Screw the UN. While were at it we need to stop all funding and terminate the lease on the UN building and they can relocate somewhere else preferably outside of the US.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder how they wanted us to respond. With harsh language?

  • Patriot

    Why let the son of a bitch surrender? He probably did try, but the SEALS had a different priority. Bin Laden wasn’t a good soldier according to his fellow mujahedin in Afghanistan during the war against the Soviets. During an interview, one Afghan said anytime the shooting started, bin Laden stuck his fingers in his ears and ran to hide. So, the SEALS shot him, bagged him and took him away. He got as much justice as he gave out on 9-11, so the UN can piss off. I hope the SEALS castrated him, cut off his head, played soccer with it and then kicked his ass overboard with no mention of muslim customs.

  • JEWHAWK

    I do strongly agree with your assessment of the United Islamic Nations, currently paid by the U.S. taxpayer’s money, but mostly used to bash America and its allies.

  • Anonymous

    Never heard about that, HSB.

    Bottom line is, just like bin laden, they were terrorists.

    When will the world realize that “playing by the rules
    ” with those who want to kill you only ends with you dead?

  • Hellosnackbar

    You can downlad or see the reconstruction
    There was a trial afterwards because all the three executed terrorists were unarmed at te time of their death.
    The two troopers were never publicly identified except as trouper A and trouper B and were exonerated.
    One was a woman called Mairaid Farell who had prieviously been incarcerated in Long Kesh.
    When I first read about it, I realised this was not performed by an amateur; as one terrorist had been shot by
    a pistol wielding chap from a distance of 20 metres, with all 17 bullets finding the mark.
    It was described by a pathologist as a frenzied attack.
    The IRA of course were extremely pissed off.(terrorists have the quaint idea that they can murder with impunity and then start squealing when they suffer violent retaliation)
    I’ve had frequent exchanges with silly Irish nationalists on this subject.
    They find my belief that if one becomes a member of a murdering terrorist organisation;then one becomes a de
    facto outlaw;and liable to be killed,very hard to take.

  • Beejj

    What rules do the terrorists play by? Guidance found between the covers of the Koran?

    I would like to take this opportunity to address “amuslimwoman”. (I find that trying to locate messages under the “Top 10 Quotes” heading is not always successful.) …………..

    You speak glowingly of the Koran, claiming such perfection for it that it could only have been written by god. When Sir Wilhelm commented upon this matter he wondered about its Satanic Verses. They were god’s work, too? he asked, never to receive a reply, surprise, surprise. Perhaps you will attend to this. The book’s accounts of the creation of Man are contradictory: from moist clay; from a bloodclot, for instance. Which is right? Why the discrepancy? I cannot see much perfection there. Then there is the matter of the Sun orbiting the Earth. Oops! There are other examples of woeful nonsense, too, but let’s keep things uncluttered so that your explanation will be less arduous.

    You claim to have been born Muslim. Have you ever paused to think how idiotic this claim is? What you really mean is that you were born to Muslim parents (who were probably born to Muslim parents who were ……….). Your acceptance of Islam and its teachings spring from the indoctrination you received as an infant. Had your parents been of a different religion you would have “been born” that one. Or do you claim to have entered the world with a knowledge of Islam? Do you imagine that if your parents had been Hassidic Jews, or whatever, you, upon learning to speak, would have disputed them and – who knows? – converted them?

    I hope you will take the trouble to reply to this. In the event of your doing so, please be scrupulously honest and avoid the “party line” mumbo jumbo so beloved of religious fanatics.

  • Horsemaster111

    ITS TIME FOR THE U.N. TO GET OUT OF THE USA. I’M DISGESTED WITH “UN DEPS” GETTING AWAY WITH
    RAPE AND PARKING TICKETS. ITS TIME FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY TO PUT UP WITH THESE A”HOLES. WHO EVEN ALLOW THEIR BRATS RAPE COLLAGE GIRLS WITH NO RECORSE. MAYBE CHINA COULD HANDEL THEM. WE CAN ALWAYS USE THE SPACE.

  • JEWHAWK

    Dear Horsemaster111, this country already exists : SWITZERLAND. In 1989, I’ve been to Geneve, where I did visit the formidable, marble-built PALAIS DES NATIONS that belongs to the so-called “United Nations”.
    It’d be very becoming to put back the “U.N.” to the country who profited from Nazi plundered money,gold, paintings, sculptures stolen from Jews during the Holocaust.

  • JEWHAWK

    I wonder if the people who were brutally murdered by Bin Laden & His Muslim Maggots would be spared had they waved white flags and pleaded “Please, don’t kill me”, begging for their lives.
    The answer would be “LA” ( Nope, in Arabic). ” You are a damn infidel and must die”.

  • Tonto

    Only if the “rule” is to kill mad dogs before they can bite.

  • Tonto

    I think France would be a “dandy” relocation spot for the UN.

  • Tonto

    I heard they stuck a pork chop bone in his mouth, a Hebrew National Kosher hot dog up his ass and kicked the mess overboard with the rest of the garbage………typical SEAL elan in that notion.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com/ ljcarolyne

    Perfect and with honors to the bastard Bin Ladin no less!!!!! LOL

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com/ ljcarolyne

    No shit! Does the letters FO mean anything to the UN?

  • hellosnackbar

    I posted a set of questions to her Beejj which she told me she had already answered.
    After much time I found her comments and could find little that was relevant to my questions.
    The missive I posted has not been posted on this site(that’s the third time this has happened-gone for moderation).
    She received the post ;but effectively declined to answer.
    It’s somewhat tedious ;but there has been a pretty acrimonious exchange between IC ,Muslimwoman,and
    I’m the knife.
    In essence Muslimwoman is living in the USA and pretty well admits life’s better there than Egypt;yet
    still hangs on to the principles of the death cult she was brought up with;rejecting the seditious nature of Islam;but still believing in the supremacy of the cult of Moped.
    She’s an embracer of the belief in belief more.
    I’m the Knife is a type I’ve met before(usually amongst bone headed bureaucrats);who have a personal
    agenda not to reveal their standpoint;but to snipe at the language of others who wish to explain their’s.
    He is a self appointed dissector of his somewhat coloured version of logic(manners Maketh the Man)
    His primary objection that it is unfair to address the members of the death cult in a pejorative manner.
    Gramscian respect (political correctness)whilst in correspondence with the Islamically afflicted here.
    He’s always off topic.
    He finds our”gloves off”attitude to be somewhat unpalatable;without giving any opinion on the topic under discussion except to say that he’s content that Bin Liner is now deceased.

  • Beejj

    When “amuslimwoman” wrote of being “born Muslim” and of the perfection of the Koran – it could only have been written by Allah – I posed her a few questions with a view to pointing out the absurdity of her claims, or at least to get her to re-evaluate her thinking. Given her willingness to defend Islam I hoped for a reply. After all, I used entirely reasonable language and avoided offensive terms. She has not replied, but to be fair to her, she might not have seen my message because I did not post it under the “Top 10 ….” heading. (Negotiating my way through that tangle is more than my patience will allow.) Is her SEEMING refusal to reply based upon her only wishing to deal with matters concerning the position (I would say “plight”) of women in Islam? Surely, she has more intelligence than that! Or have my questions hit a vulnerable spot?

    The world of religion abounds with rules and “guidance” and mystique and arcane practices and rituals. It has many threats, too. Big on fear are certain religions. They are often life-controlling: they certainly try to be. It is hardly surprising, then, that religion provides a platform for unending discussion, debate and argument (and bloodshed!). Yet, the whole sorry mess is based upon nothing more that a guess: the guess that something called god exists. This to me is the real tragedy of it all: blind acceptance of someone else’s guess! Even the most deeply religious person, while “feeling” the existence of god to be fact, must admit that it is not so. People talk of faith in the loftiest terms, feeling great reverence for those who possess it through thick and thin, but all they are doing is admiring those of supreme gullibility. “Gosh, I wish I had his faith” can be translated to “Gosh, I wish I were so gullible.” Meanwhile, the churches, mosques and synagogues draw the crowds, money pours into the Vatican, and innocents are slaughtered. All because of a guess.

  • amuslimwoman

    I never received any of your comments Beejj. So cut the slander.

    But surprise, surprise, I would be happy to reply to them! :D

    “In essence Muslimwoman is living in the USA and pretty well admits life’s better there than Egypt;yet

    still
    hangs on to the principles of the death cult she was brought up
    with;rejecting the seditious nature of Islam;but still believing in the
    supremacy of the cult of Moped.”

    I lived in Egypt 99% of my life, and I prefer it there immensely. I will be moving there shortly after I straighten out some personal issues. But I guess the government is (or was, I guess) very restrictive and oppressive to its people.

    But who was buddy-buddy with Mubarak? Yeah.

    It’s really easy to say those terrible things about me when its one against a mob.

  • Anonymous

    “I lived in Egypt 99% of my life, and I prefer it there immensely. I
    will be moving there shortly after I straighten out some personal
    issues.”

    Oh thank Zeus! Don’t let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

    And I sincerely and I mean from the bottom of my heart and with Zeus as my witness do wish, really, really wish and hope that when you return you are honoured with one of the “virginity tests” that the post-Mubarak muslim brotherhood supported army and police officers are subjecting many of the loyal muslimas to.

    I do hope you and other believing muslimas reap what you have sown.

  • Beejj

    Thank you for writing to me. I fear, though, that wires must have become entangled, because I have not slandered you in any way. Not my style, dear lady. It seems that you thought you were quoting me when you wrote those lines which began “In essence, Muslimwoman ………” but those words are not mine. Similarly the Mubarak stuff. I have never said any “terrible things” about you. As I say, wires must have become crossed somewhere. I believe you when you say you never received any of my comments (there was just one, actually) because you seem to be a person who is ready to stand on her own two feet and not shirk the issue. Let me ask a favour of you. Please click on my dragon picture (is it called an avatar?) and locate my message that began, I think, with the words, “Please, ‘amuslimwoman’ read this.” That is the message to which I referred when I wrote to Hellosnackbar this morning. It should take you but a few seconds to find it. I am interested in your response.

  • Yonabee

    “Oh thank Zeus! Don’t let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.”

    On second thought, the thought of pissing you off makes me much more happy than moving.

    I think I’ll stay.

    Thanks for enlightening me, darling.

  • Anonymous

    Be as smug and snarky as you desire.

    Just remember, pissing one off does not end well for the agitator.

    What a pathetic existence you have if rattling the cage makes you happy, but it so aptly describes you and 1.2 billion other like minded creatures you share your collective insanity with.

  • Yonabee

    “It seems that you thought you were quoting me when you wrote those
    lines which began “In essence, Muslimwoman ………” but those words
    are not mine.”

    I know. I was replying to hellosnackbar and you in the same post, instead of making several smaller replies.

    “I have never said any “terrible things” about you.”

    Great. That’s a first on this comment board. But again, this wasn’t directed specifically at you.

    I will read and reply.

  • Yonabee

    “Be as smug and snarky as you desire.”

    Sure.

    “What a pathetic existence you have if rattling the cage makes you
    happy, but it so aptly describes you and 1.2 billion other like minded
    creatures you share your collective insanity with.”

    No, not rattling the cage. Pissing you off.

  • Anonymous

    “No, not rattling the cage. Pissing you off.”

    Not as smart as you fancy yourself, toots.

    Rattling the cage means pissing off.

    Don’t forget, though: those who piss off eventually get pissed on.

  • Beejj

    It’s gratifying to know that, but why did you tell me to cut the slander?

  • amuslimwoman

    I find it to be quite unlike myself to reply to what I see fit, and not what hits a “vulnerable spot”. I took offense to it. I simply did not see your post at all ( I know you stated that, but you went on accuse me of certain things, or rather, hint at my guilt). That’s why I said it was slanderous.

    And I have not just discussed women rights. I’ve discussed much more.

    But anyways, perhaps I’m a bit downtrodden by everyone else on here, so I forgot to give my respect to someone who clearly deserves it. I appreciate your thoughtfulness, not using offensive language and what not.

  • amuslimwoman

    “Rattling the cage means pissing off.”

    No, really?

    I clearly wanted to use the latter.

    “Don’t forget, though: those who piss off eventually get pissed on.”

    Says who?

    You aggravated me several times, are you going to get pissed on as well?

  • Beejj

    There is nothing wrong about have vulnerable spots – I have dozens of the damned things. No slander intended. Why should I try to slander you because I do not share your belief? I will do my utmost to try to convince you that your beliefs are wrong, but I’ll not slander you in the process. Be assured from the outset, though, that I look upon your religion with extreme distaste. Hell, I look upon all religions with a jaundiced eye, although others seem not to threaten my very existence. If you and I are to discuss matters it would be wise for us to proceed one point at a time if our discussions are not to degenerate into bedlam. Agreed?

  • Anonymous

    Your narcissism is as breathtaking as nobama’s.

    Must be a kuranimal thing. Actually, just like mohammad.

    I should be careful since you are a full-blown sharia supporter. Just like your hero mo your idea of pissing on will be to send your henchmen to either cut my throat at night, tie me between two camels and split me in half, burn hot coals on my chest, or stone me like mo saw monkey’s doing.

  • amuslimwoman

    I’m narcissistic. Time to take my meds.

  • amuslimwoman

    Agreed.

  • amuslimwoman

    Without further ado…

    “What rules do the terrorists play by? Guidance found between the covers of the Koran?”

    I’m not an expert in terrorist psychology. But the majority of Muslims who live day to day peacefully, surely they must interpret the Qur’an incorrectly, if the .001% that do find pleasure in harming countless of innocent lives?

    Perhaps Muslims commit acts of terror for the most obvious of reasons: Power through fear.

    Using religion as a means to justify their actions.

    What is it that you wanted to hear? That Islam actually condones these types of actions?

    ~~~~~~

    You mean this —> (And indeed We created man out of an extract of clay (water and earth.))[23:12]

    This verse refers to the creation of Adam (pbuh), the origin of mankind. Not us (you, me, everyone else).

    The following verses are as follows:

    “Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed.
    Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood
    clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed-like substance)…”

    The leech and the embryo are similar. The embryo finds nourishment in the mother’s blood. The leech feeds off the blood of others.

    Suspended thing. The embryo suspends into the womb of the mother.

    During the stage described above, the blood in the embryo does not circulate. So it is a blood clot.

    Chewed gum and embryo: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2006/03/embryo_gum.jpg

    And if you’re thinking that the terms (alaquh and mudghah) are so vague they possibly can’t be interpreted in that manner, I speak Arabic (albeit, slang)

    To say “I am chewing gum” it is “Bandugh lebana”

    To say “I am hanging my shirt” it is “Balaq quamesi”

    ^ egyptian slang.

    As for the sun orbiting the earth,

    “The sun keeps revolving in its orbit at the dispensation of the
    All-Knowing. And the Moon, We have measured for her mansions till she
    returns like dried date stalks. The sun keeps revolving in its orbit at the dispensation of the
    All-Knowing. And the Moon, We have measured for her mansions till she
    returns like dried date stalks. It is not permitted for the Sun to
    overtake the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day. Each (just)
    swims along, floating in (its own) orbit as a Sign as in a race. And we
    made similar vessels [chariots] for them to ride. But we could have
    drowned them if we pleased.” [36:38]

    Is this what you are referring to? Because it does not state once that the sun orbits the earth. The sun does have an orbit, however.

    And what satanic verses? I’d like to see them. I can’t gurantee I’ll see everyone’s reply in the midst of the absolute chaos that is “Top 10 Qur’an verses…”

    ~~~~~
    ~

    So the gist of what you’re saying is “why am I Muslim when my parents are too?”. Clearly since I was born into a Muslim family, I was raised befitting to their ideals. Luckily for me, after some thought, I arrived at the same conclusion as them.

    What if my parents were Hassidic Jews? I don’t know.

    I wouldn’t be me, the one that speaks to you right now. Every moment that led up to this moment in time has been partly affected by the fact that I am Muslim. I can’t imagine my life as a Hassidic Jew. My ancestry would be different, my culture would be different, and my personality would be different as well. I wouldnt be me. Me does not exist in that alternate reality. So I can’t answer that question, my apologies.

    ~~~~~
    ~

    I am not aware of party line mumbo jumbo. I hope I did not use it.

  • SirWilhelm

    The problem with Muslims that live “peacefully day to day”, is that they practice dawa, like you are doing, using kitman and taqiyya to make Islam sound good, to try an convert non-Muslims to Islam. In non-Muslim countries, they refuse to assimilate, creating Muslim ghettos that eventually become no-go zones for non-Muslims, and even the police. They live by sharia law, and try to impose that law on their hosts, with the goal of eventually imposing sharia law on them too. If anything, dawa is a greater threat than terrorism, to the liberty and freedom of choice found under any form of secular law, compared to sharia.

    As for the creation of Adam story in the Quran, it shares elements of the Bible version, which is obviously older than the Quran. The problem with both versions, is that their are older versions of that story from the beginnings of civilization that contradict both. Without going into the details, which vary greatly, one could ask one’s self, which is likely to be more accurate, a story written down near the beginning of mankind’s existence, or ones written many years later?

    Your life has been more than “partly” affected by the fact that you are a Muslim. Islam rules just about every aspect of your daily life, does it not? Does it not tell you, as a Muslim woman, how to dress? Can you leave your home on your own? Can you marry who you want? Those are just a few of the choices that are probably made for you. That’s fine, if you are comfortable living that way, but why do you want others to live that way, if they don’t want to?

  • amuslimwoman

    I’m not trying to make Islam sound good. I don’t need to try. I’m legitimately pulling verses from the Qur’an and giving the accepted tafseer (explanation).

    Muslim ghettos…what? Mosques? At the mosque I attend, we just had Christians and Jews visit from their respective Churches and Synagogues.

    Muslims actually don’t go out of there way to convert people (i.e missions). My forward attempts to tell you guys that Islam is the truth were tongue-in-cheek. Obviously no one transitions from Islam-hater to a Muslim overnight. And my more serious attempts were resulted in the harsh critique of our moral standards. One would pick a specific belief, and label it “wrong” simply because they disliked it! I had to backtrack, and explain why inevitably some things will not appeal to a human being, but the importance conformity.

    I explained this a great deal already. It went into one ear, and out the other.

    Muslims don’t reject the bible completely, contrary to popular belief. We believe that when the Torah descended, at that point, everyone was to be Jewish. When the bible was revealed to Jesus (pbuh), everyone was to be Christian. When the final revelation was revealed, the Qur’an, everyone was to be Muslim.

    However, the bible contains a plethora of discrepancies. Even the Church confirms this.

    The old testament as well.

    No Muslim in their right mind would make this allegation about the Qur’an. We have asserted from day 1 that it is the inherent word of God. Unaltered.

    That’s why we believe in its accuracy.

    I’ve read the Qur’an, from cover to cover, in Arabic and in English, and never has the thought of it being anything but God’s word, crept my mind.

    It wasn’t written, it was bestowed upon the messenger of God, then recorded.

    And if you’re gonna tell me its full of faults, you need to tell me what they are.

    But I can assure you, there are none.

    Sorry, I didn’t know my use of “partly” would cause such a dilemma. Excuse me, my life has been immensely affected by the fact that I am Muslim. I live and breathe Islam.

    It tells me how to dress. Modest.

    I leave the home on my own. I am not accompanied 24/7 in public. Only religious zealots think that.

    And like I said 63593 times before, Islamic law bends.
    It doesn’t break, but it bends.

    Were conditions for women same 1400 years ago the same as today? I think not.

    I can marry whom I want, within certain boundaries.

    What kind of religion states “As God, I’m telling you to do whatever you want. It’s all good.”

    Do you what you want without hurting others is doable, but on a larger scale is very impractical.

    At some point, it will be compulsory for us to hurt others. If someone disagrees with me on a certain action I partake in, it will be hurtful to them if I engage in it furthermore. But its what I want, right?

    Everything is compromise, compromise, compromise. We do it all the time.

    Islam just packages it differently. Sacrifice your desires for an even bigger reward.

    That’s it.

    Why do I want others to follow Islam (if I am Muslim no less!)? One, because I’m normal. Two, because it’s perfect.

  • SirWilhelm

    In a message dated 5/11/2011 10:11:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
    writes:

    amuslimwoman (unregistered) wrote, in response to SirWilhelm:

    I’m not trying to make Islam sound good. I don’t need to try. I’m
    legitimately pulling verses from the Qur’an and giving the accepted tafseer
    (explanation).

    Muslim ghettos…what? Mosques? At the mosque I attend, we just had
    Christians and Jews visit from their respective Churches and Synagogues.

    Muslims actually don’t go out of there way to convert people (i.e
    missions). My forward attempts to tell you guys that Islam is the truth were
    tongue-in-cheek. Obviously no one transitions from Islam-hater to a Muslim
    overnight. And my more serious attempts were resulted in the harsh critique of
    our moral standards. One would pick a specific belief, and label it “wrong”
    simply because they disliked it! I had to backtrack, and explain why
    inevitably some things will not appeal to a human being, but the importance con
    formity.

    I explained this a great deal already. It went into one ear, and out the
    other.

    Muslims don’t reject the bible completely, contrary to popular belief. We
    believe that when the Torah descended, at that point, everyone was to be
    Jewish. When the bible was revealed to Jesus (pbuh), everyone was to be
    Christian. When the final revelation was revealed, the Qur’an, everyone was to
    be Muslim.

    However, the bible contains a plethora of discrepancies. Even the Church
    confirms this.

    The old testament as well.

    No Muslim in their right mind would make this allegation about the Qur’an.
    We have asserted from day 1 that it is the inherent word of God.
    Unaltered.

    That’s why we believe in its accuracy.

    I’ve read the Qur’an, from cover to cover, in Arabic and in English, and
    never has the thought of it being anything but God’s word, crept my mind.

    It wasn’t written, it was bestowed upon the messenger of God, then
    recorded.

    And if you’re gonna tell me its full of faults, you need to tell me what
    they are.

    But I can assure you, there are none.

    Sorry, I didn’t know my use of “partly” would cause such a dilemma. Excuse
    me, my life has been immensely affected by the fact that I am Muslim. I
    live and breathe Islam.

    It tells me how to dress. Modest.

    I leave the home on my own. I am not accompanied 24/7 in public. Only
    religious zealots think that.

    And like I said 63593 times before, Islamic law bends.
    It doesn’t break, but it bends.

    Were conditions for women same 1400 years ago the same as today? I think
    not.

    I can marry whom I want, within certain boundaries.

    What kind of religion states “As God, I’m telling you to do whatever you
    want. It’s all good.”

    Do you what you want without hurting others is doable, but on a larger
    scale is very impractical.

    At some point, it will be compulsory for us to hurt others. If someone
    disagrees with me on a certain action I partake in, it will be hurtful to them
    if I engage in it furthermore. But its what I want, right?

    Everything is compromise, compromise, compromise. We do it all the time.

    Islam just packages it differently. Sacrifice your desires for an even
    bigger reward.

    That’s it.

    Why do I want others to follow Islam (if I am Muslim no less!)? One,
    because I’m normal. Two, because it’s perfect.

    Link to comment: http://disq.us/1xefb4

  • SirWilhelm

    You are a true fanatic, there’s no getting through to you.

    In a message dated 5/11/2011 10:11:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
    writes:

    amuslimwoman (unregistered) wrote, in response to SirWilhelm:

    I’m not trying to make Islam sound good. I don’t need to try. I’m
    legitimately pulling verses from the Qur’an and giving the accepted tafseer
    (explanation).

    Muslim ghettos…what? Mosques? At the mosque I attend, we just had
    Christians and Jews visit from their respective Churches and Synagogues.

    Muslims actually don’t go out of there way to convert people (i.e
    missions). My forward attempts to tell you guys that Islam is the truth were
    tongue-in-cheek. Obviously no one transitions from Islam-hater to a Muslim
    overnight. And my more serious attempts were resulted in the harsh critique of
    our moral standards. One would pick a specific belief, and label it “wrong”
    simply because they disliked it! I had to backtrack, and explain why
    inevitably some things will not appeal to a human being, but the importance
    conformity.

    I explained this a great deal already. It went into one ear, and out the
    other.

    Muslims don’t reject the bible completely, contrary to popular belief. We
    believe that when the Torah descended, at that point, everyone was to be
    Jewish. When the bible was revealed to Jesus (pbuh), everyone was to be
    Christian. When the final revelation was revealed, the Qur’an, everyone was to
    be Muslim.

    However, the bible contains a plethora of discrepancies. Even the Church
    confirms this.

    The old testament as well.

    No Muslim in their right mind would make this allegation about the Qur’an.
    We have asserted from day 1 that it is the inherent word of God.
    Unaltered.

    That’s why we believe in its accuracy.

    I’ve read the Qur’an, from cover to cover, in Arabic and in English, and
    never has the thought of it being anything but God’s word, crept my mind.

    It wasn’t written, it was bestowed upon the messenger of God, then
    recorded.

    And if you’re gonna tell me its full of faults, you need to tell me what
    they are.

    But I can assure you, there are none.

    Sorry, I didn’t know my use of “partly” would cause such a dilemma. Excuse
    me, my life has been immensely affected by the fact that I am Muslim. I
    live and breathe Islam.

    It tells me how to dress. Modest.

    I leave the home on my own. I am not accompanied 24/7 in public. Only
    religious zealots think that.

    And like I said 63593 times before, Islamic law bends.
    It doesn’t break, but it bends.

    Were conditions for women same 1400 years ago the same as today? I think
    not.

    I can marry whom I want, within certain boundaries.

    What kind of religion states “As God, I’m telling you to do whatever you
    want. It’s all good.”

    Do you what you want without hurting others is doable, but on a larger
    scale is very impractical.

    At some point, it will be compulsory for us to hurt others. If someone
    disagrees with me on a certain action I partake in, it will be hurtful to them
    if I engage in it furthermore. But its what I want, right?

    Everything is compromise, compromise, compromise. We do it all the time.

    Islam just packages it differently. Sacrifice your desires for an even
    bigger reward.

    That’s it.

    Why do I want others to follow Islam (if I am Muslim no less!)? One,
    because I’m normal. Two, because it’s perfect.

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  • Beejj

    Thank you for your message. I now clearly realise that there is nothing I could ever say to convince you of your trust in what I see as screaming absurdities, or to make you wonder for a moment if you might be wrong. It must be an enormous comfort to you to live in certainty. Many would envy you, but I am not one of them because I find certainty tedious. I will just say this, however, concerning something in your message ……… Your tortured linguistic gymnastics to justify the correctness of the orbits of the Sun and Moon had me in hysterics. Sorry, but they did. The best part was the bit about there being no mention of the Sun orbiting the Earth, but the Sun IS in orbit (about the galactic centre). Actually, it doesn’t say that the Moon orbits the Earth,either! The fact of the Sun orbiting the galactic centre has zero effect upon us, because we are part of the Solar System and must therefore orbit with the Sun. THAT orbit is not an orbit that can ever have an effect on our planet or give rise to day & night and the seasons. But the Koran refers to the Sun’s orbit causing night & day! Clearly, the Sun orbits the Earth!!

  • amuslimwoman

    What was the point of quoting the entire thing?

    No, I’m not a fanatic. You get over it.

  • amuslimwoman

    You are correct. There’s nothing you can say.

    “but the Sun IS in orbit (about the galactic centre)”

    I thought I said that?

    “The fact of the Sun orbiting the galactic centre has zero effect upon
    us, because we are part of the Solar System and must therefore orbit
    with the Sun. THAT orbit is not an orbit that can ever have an effect
    on our planet or give rise to day & night and the seasons”

    I completely agree.

    “But the Koran refers to the Sun’s orbit causing night & day!”

    Where?

  • amuslimwoman

    No need to thank though. It won’t be long until I find something better to do with my time.

    I have exhausted every possible manner to explain my thinking..

    Then I forgot. This is infidelsarecool.

    The pretentiousness and arrogance of the people on here is something to marvel at.

    According to everyone on here, the majority of humanity prior to the creation of the modern Western world was uncivilized, barbaric and morally bankrupt.

    Muslims are judged by Western people’s ever changing standard of morality.

    Screaming absurdities? Really?

    A man in California can marry a 13 year old, but the same marriage in
    North Carolina would be a crime. An entertainer from Chicago was
    charged for having sexual relationships with a minor who was 14 or 15,
    yet a 15 year old was tired as an adult in Florida for murder. If I am
    not mistaken, I recall at 12 year old being tried as an adult in the
    past 5 or so years. I find it disturbing that the criterion for
    something so vital as a life sentence would be left in the hands of
    individual judges. I find it more disturbing that I could do something
    in the state of Virginia, that would be considered a crime in N.
    Carolina.

    After replying to your next post, and then hellosnackbar, I’m off and you will be rid of me forever.

    No point in reasoning with someone who makes up his mind before the argument is presented.

  • hellosnackbar

    The sun orbits the earth in order to effect night and day!
    And submerges itself in a muddy pool at night!(I seem to recall)or did Mo mean a swamp.
    It would seem that defining Koranic precepts in order that they demonstrate perfection is indeed a knotty task.(I don’t believe that my acceptance of such drivel could possibly occur within a galactic year; unless
    Alzheimers disease rotted my brain with amyloid plaque.

  • JEWHAWK

    Oh, woman who follows the misbegotten, pusillanimous path started by the criminal Mohammad, I respectfully ask you if your brazen deceptiveness, a mandatory pillar of Islam known as TAQIYA, isn’t much worse than our alleged “offensive language”.

  • JEWHAWK

    …”surely they must interpret the Qur’an incorrecty…”

    This assessment is utterly disingenuous. Only idiots would believe it.

  • JEWHAWK

    “… I’m not trying to make Islam sound good ”

    It’d be a futile attempt at any rate. It’d be like sugarcoat a cyanide pill.

  • JEWHAWK

    …” According to everyone on here, the majority of humanity prior to the creation of the modern Western world was uncivilized, barbaric and morally bankrupt. ”

    That’s a well-known FACT, not a mere opinion.

    “Muslims are judged by Western people’s ever changing standard of morality”

    They aren’t being judged enough. They must, if they desire to coexist peacefully with the rest of us within the 21th Century’s standards, like everyone else do. Muslim behavior is disgusting, primitive, revolting, simply unbearable to watch, to read about its pathological deeds and aspirations of world domination.

  • Hellosnackbar

    @jewhawk,IC etc.
    Here’s Pat Condell on the demise of OBL http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/a/u/0/JzD-rnmeiH8.
    Enjoy it

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, loved this one.

    “They should have put a pork chop in his mouth and a fireman’s axe up his arse..”

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, loved this one.

    “They should have put a pork chop in his mouth and a fireman’s axe up his arse..”

  • amuslimwoman

    “That’s a well-known FACT, not a mere opinion.”

    Oh yeah, definitely. Completely objective. No personal opinion here.

    Hey, how about the 1.2 billion barbaric Muslims? Does their opinion not count? Don’t answer that because I know exactly what filthy words you are capable of uttering.

    You do the same thing you excuse of us.

    Infringe upon other people’s rights. The right to practice our religion, to the fullest extent.

    I don’t want it either too (i.e. caste system), unless its Islam. but at least I’m honest about it. At least I declare that since I have a certain ideology, anyone who doesn’t abide by them is wrong.

    You hide under the label of liberal. No one is liberal, really. Don’t be a liar. And if you’re a neo-conservative, then you’re even worse.

    “with the rest of us within the 21th Century’s standards”

    Uhm, where? What parts of the world? The white people parts that are oh-so-good and can never do any harm?

    I read that you supported the Japanese Internment Camps.

    Disgusting. Despicable. Primitive. Revolting. Pathological.

  • amuslimwoman

    Awwww…you poor thing. Someone doesn’t agree with you and it hurts your wittle feelings.

    Hey, how’s your sex dungeon going?

  • Hellosnackbar

     I didn’t know JH was into S&M;but I doubt he is anyway cowed?
    Your reply to Beejj with refererence to his question about your beliefs (supposing you were Eskimo,Arapaho,
    Zorastrian,Odinist etc.) was something you hadn’t closely considered with your “it woudn’t be me “answer.
    What he meant was if a DNA identical you had been raised in another cultural environment ;then your attachment toAllah might not exist.
    It would be you phsically but not culturally ;thus indicating that religion is no more than an a product of culture.
    As Richard Dawkins said in answer to a question from his audience”what if you’r wrong?”
    He replied ” what if we’re both wrong and the Ju Ju man from up the mountain is the one in the right. 

  • JEWHAWK

    “ Hey, how’s your sex dungeon going? ”

    Kinda slow, but with your help, it’d be much better, oh dumb muslima ! How many wives your husband has ? Three ? Four ? Here in Brazil he’d be ARRESTED for poligamy and you’d be called a BITCH in the street.

    “Awwwwww”

    Whoa! I haven’t screwd you yet but is already hurting up your ass ? POOR ISLAMO-THINGY !!!

  • JEWHAWK

    “ Hey, how about the 1.2 billion barbaric Muslims? Does their opinion not count ? ”

    NOPE, because they express their opinions through SAVAGERY, TERRORISM, BEHEADINGS and THREATENING CHANTS, like “Death to America , Death to Israel !” and ” Slaughter the Jews !” or ” Destroy Israel !”.

    “You hide under the label of liberal. No one is liberal, really. Don’t be a liar. And if you’re a neo-conservative, then you’re even worse.”

    You can’t even fathom which political side of the aisle I am. Your first attempt of labeling me as a “liberal” would make a lot of sense, if I was an American, for most Jews up there are liberal or downright clueless commies. Here in Brazil, the word “liberal” means almost the opposite.
    I am a proud, unapologetic CONSERVATIVE be in Brazil, America or Israel.

    INTERNMENT CAMPS FOR JAPS:

    They were NECESSARY. A little thing called WAR was raging in the Pacific and America started it at the LOSING SIDE after Pearl Harbor. I won’t change History just to appease a politically correct dumbass like yourself. 

  • JEWHAWK

     ”fireman’s axe up his arse”

    OUCH !!! Which side of the axe ? I reckon a fireman’s water hose would be even funnier!
    At almost 300 psi, it’d wash away his innards through his mouth !!

  • JEWHAWK

    “ I didn’t know JH was into S&M;but I doubt he is anyway cowed?”

    HAHAHAHAHA !!! At least she was creative !

  • JEWHAWK

    “ Hey, how’s your sex dungeon going? ”

    Golly, you are HORNY AS HELL, aren’t you , my dear hornymuslimwoman ? 

  • amuslimwoman

    “Death to America , Death to Israel !” and ” Slaughter the Jews !” or ” Destroy Israel !”.

    Oh yeah, mhmm. We totally wake up and that’s the first thing we think of.
    Ever heard of the Neturei Karta? They don’t seem to think so, and guess what, they’re actually Jews! Gasp!

    I bet you can justify what the Israeli military does to the Palestinians.
    And you do.

    Hey, thanks for liking my comment.

  • amuslimwoman

    “What he meant was if a DNA identical you had been raised in another
    cultural environment ;then your attachment toAllah might not exist.”

    If I was a DNA identical, and somehow defied heredity, and my parents were different, my attachment to Allah would have existed, yes. Will you try to disprove this? Go ahead.

    “what if we’re both wrong and the Ju Ju man from up the mountain is the one in the right”

    Oh dear. And I even gave a scenario where we would reincarnate into bananas in a later life!
    Darn.

    I thought you were something different, HSB. hmmm…

  • amuslimwoman

    What the…you have a penis?! And it’s functional??!! Well I’ll be!

  • amuslimwoman

    “my dear”

    I didn’t know you felt that way about me?
    I just…wow. I’m aghast.
    That explains it. You’ve been pushing me away, when you were in love with me all along.
    Don’t be frightened dear, I’ll reciprocate your love.
    Just kill yourself c:

  • amuslimwoman

    “HAHAHAHAHA !!! At least she was creative ”
    Hellyeah.

  • JEWHAWK

    “ Ever heard of the Neturei Karta?”

    So you pick a MICROSCOPIC  group that maybe have 0,0000000001% of the whole 14 million Jews and consider it as being representative of the rest of us ? Just think for a minute about that lame rationale.

    “I bet you can justify what the Israeli military does to the Palestinians”

    Of course I do, although I do not recognize the word “palestinians” at all. They’re just a sordid bunch of arabs who call themselves “palestinians” in order to inflict a propagandistic coup against Israel, since they failed to achieve their ultimate goal, namely to throw the Jews into the sea through military means.

    “Hey, thanks for liking my comment.”

    Actually it was a mistake, as I’ve intended to click the “REPLY”  button,  I’ve Snafu it and clicked the “ LIKE ” one.
    Shit happens.
    Should you write something TAQYIA-FREE I may click the “like” button on purpose. 

  • JEWHAWK

    …” wow. I’m aghast”

    So take the mirrors off your house, then.

    “when you were in love with me all along.”

    Sure.

    “Just kill yourself ”

    Likewise. Thanks for your honesty.

  • JEWHAWK

    “… And it’s functional??!! ”

    I’ve received no complaints until now. Your mother left my bed limping after she insisted about sodomy, though.

  • JEWHAWK

    “ Hellyeah ”

    Muslima, do you swallow or do you spit?

  • Beejj

    Steady on, please, JH. This kind of thing does nothing for the infidels’ cause and stains IAC. Like you, I do not share amuslimwoman’s views on religion, but she does not deserve being abused in this way. Check her posts: she was forced into a vulgar slanging match only after much enticement to do so. To her great credit, she resisted, showing some style, but she eventually responded in kind, sad to say. I hope such crudity will cease forthwith. I enjoy reading her “normal” contributions and hope she will continue to contribute to IAC. Consider: the overwhelming majority of Muslims who post here do it just once and vanish, but amuslimwoman has the guts to stand her ground and verbally battle for her beliefs. I admire her for that. She has as much right to express her views as anyone, be she right or wrong. I hope others will agree with what I just wrote and join me in telling her that I hope she will not be driven away by vulgarity. She’s a gutsy lass.

  • Hellosnackbar

    She’s into science as well Beejj !
    It’s a slog ;but read our corrspondence in the depths of the “ten” thread.
    I’m always impressed by any individual’s ability to write in a second language at her level.
    Ironicaly a talent she shares with JewHawk.
     

  • JEWHAWK

    I did not start the VULGARITY CONTEST she waged against me.

    Now I  strongly disagree with you. That “gutsy lass” who allegedly “was forced into a vulgar slanging match” definitely
     DESERVED what she got. 

    NOBODY will come out unscathed after writing what she did. Not on my watch. No white flags at all. 

  • Christine_S

    Dear Jewhawk,

    As Beejj has already said, it is rare that IAC gets a Muslim commenter who actually tries to answer questions and does not just write one or two incoherent remarks before running off. Even though I have not commented here for quite some time, I read IAC every day and follow your comments on Disqus. You are both smart and funny and I have learned a lot from your posts over the past 2 years. We can all be driven to say certain things when we are fed-up or angry, but I have to agree that responding with vulgarities does not serve any useful purpose. I say this to you, too, IC. You have much to offer this blog based on your knowledge and experiences. 

  • JEWHAWK

    “ Ironicaly a talent she shares with JewHawk. ”

    I’m flattered by your comparison, for her English skills are by far superior, apparently because she does live(d) / study(ied) in America, whereas I do not.

    One of her “talents” I am proud to not share, though: DECEITFULNESS. I am just a run-of-the-mill fella, who simply doesn’t like to lie even in the Internet, where liars are plentiful, disguised under the cloak of anonymity.

  • amuslimwoman

     Really, my cancer-ridden mother?

  • amuslimwoman

    I really appreciate this, Beejj.
    I’m swearing off the vulgar replies, forever. And if I do, anyone has the right to be angered with me.

    I will contribute as thoughtfully and intellectually as I can.

    Sorry Beejj, sorry Istanbul_Chick, sorry Hellosnackbar, sorry Jewhawk (we should try to reconcile), and SirWilhelm for any emotional distress I may have caused.

    I don’t mind any constructive criticism, and I encourage it.
    I knew I said I wouldn’t be staying on IAC any longer, but I suppose if people have legitimate questions about Islam, it would be best for a Muslim to answer them.

  • Anonymous

    Why are you apologizing to me.

    You didn’t cause any emotional distress.

    You are just a typical side-stepping, lying, sharia loving kuranimal.

    You have a brain but you choose to eschew it in favour of a 7th century death cult.

    Remember, your “perfect” man hated innovation.

  • JEWHAWK

    “ sorry Jewhawk (we should try to reconcile ”

    Your vulgarities didn’t bother, offend, impress me at all. As far as I’m concerned, it was just small talk, after all, I am not a college graduate, a tycoon, an intellectual nor a chemistry , biology  professor to become  “emotionally distressed” by the stuff  written earlier. My hide is slightly thicker, therefore I am not sorry about  ANYTHING  I did write and obviously I won’t reconcile to someone who has a love affair with deceitfulness.

  • amuslimwoman

    Ok, well my posts are always welcome to be read and respectfully commentated on. 

  • amuslimwoman

    I’m glad I didn’t cause any emotional distress.
    I never switched sides…
    You said it yourself: “but you choose to eschew it in favour of a 7th century death cult.”
    Right? If that’s how you choose to view me, then so be it.

  • amuslimwoman

     What do you mean? My statement was dripping with sarcasm.

  • Anonymous

    @f81f05ed1d97e961fb3684082d8e9b15:disqus 

    “…respectfully commentated on.”

    This is where you are wrong and why you draw so much hatred.

    Your perfect man and your allah, the very “path” you have chosen has NO respect for those who do not believe it no matter how much new-agey, existential tripe you try to cover it all up with.

    You have more chutzpah than a rapist demanding that his victim tell him she likes it.

    A muslim demanding respect from kaffrs is like a nazi demanding respect from Jews.

  • amuslimwoman

    Ah, the famous, or infamous I should say, “Sun in the Muddy Pool”. Here we go:

    First of all, I see no difference between “the sun sets in murky water” and “the sun sets in the Western Mountains” from a Steinbeck novel.
    In both cases, they are not meant to be taken literally. They are both descriptive.
    No Muslim has ever said “oh yeah, the sun physically moves into water because it’s stated in the Qur’an”
    Arabic speakers are well aware of the pictorial language, but it’s the English speaker who selectively has trouble with this.

    The Qur’an is of high poetical eloquence and prose, so figurative language is abundant in the verses.
    It is clear, but it’s poetic. It’s neither a set of rules, nor jumbled sketchy nonsense that can be severely misinterpreted. Anyone with a shred of intelligence can understand what God’s words signify.
    Why isn’t it “written” in common-folk talk? Because it must possess the divine touch, and that is the literary miracle.

    I have a feeling this won’t satisfy you. So, here’s some more explanation:
    Let’s analyze the verse part by part:

    1. “Until when he reached the setting place of the sun…”
    The translation does not say that Dhul-Qurnain reached the place where the sun sets literally, but rather he was facing the direction of it. The “setting of the sun” is an Arabic idiom meaning “the western-most point” of his expedition.
    In Arabic, “The sun set” means “Shooroq al shams”. “Sharq” means “West” and “Al shams” means “The sun”.
    2. “…he found it set in a spring of murky water”
    I really mustn’t need to explain this, but I will. The Qur’an is obviously describing what Dhul-Qurnain saw as opposed to what actually happens.
    What he saw was the image of the sun setting in a dark body of water. Since the Qur’an is clearly describing his direct point of view (which is quite explicit), there is no problem with that description.

    Try standing at the beach sometime when the sun is about to set. You will see it “entering the sea” far in the horizon.
    Oops, I used “entering the sea”. Shame on me, I should have known better.

    And God is All-knowing, that includes of human perspective.

  • amuslimwoman

    “…and consider it as being representative of the rest of us ? Just think for a minute about that lame rationale.”
    No, its not representative. I never said that.

    “Of course I do, although I do not recognize the word “palestinians” at all.”
    Even the Christian Palestinians? 
    Spell correct recognizes the word “Palestinian”, and a red line appears under it when it’s spelled without a capital “P”.

    “Shit happens.”
    And it was a joke. Was it so unrecognizable?

  • amuslimwoman

    “…live(d) / study(ied) in America, whereas I do not.”

    I developed a knowledge of the English language in Egypt. And through reading.
    But If you think I am trying to undermine the entire system here, then you are mistaken. Obviously I’m not speaking of it in the utmost highest regard, and neither am I of the Saudi system.
    I think every society has its positives and its faults.

    “I am just a run-of-the-mill fella, who simply doesn’t like to lie even in the Internet…”
    That could be a lie.
    You could be a Palestinian-loving Muslim scholar who’s putting up a front in order to test my wits. But I highly suspect that.
    I don’t like to lie either, and I’ve demonstrated my sincerity and honesty through staying consistent in my message.

  • amuslimwoman

     ”Your perfect man and your allah, the very “path” you have chosen has NO
    respect for those who do not believe it no matter how much new-agey,
    existential tripe you try to cover it all up with.”

    We have to define what “respect” is.
    1. Having respect towards someone is holding them in high regard, valuing their opinion, and so on. I do not, and I repeat, do not expect this from anyone.
    2. Acting respectfully towards someone is valuing their *emotions* and although disagreeing with them, one refrains from using unnecessary provocative language. There is a difference between someone getting hurt over content, and over the manner in which one presents it.
    This is the bridge between two people with differing ideologies, and what encourages the flow of knowledge. I do expect this.

    That “new-agey” stuff is what my parents taught me. My parents are average Sunni Muslims.

    I also explained my reasoning towards things that conflict with Islam. My reasoning posts are characterized by whopping length. It’s not a black or white matter. If you don’t agree with it, then all we can do is agree to disagree.
    If I didn’t respect “kaffrs” I’d have to send an email to 70% of my friends telling them that it’s over. I have friends, shocker.

    “A muslim demanding respect from kaffrs is like a nazi demanding respect from Jews.”
    I’m not committing genocide, and neither is the next Muslim.

  • Anonymous

    “Acting respectfully towards someone is valuing their *emotions* and although disagreeing with them.”

    No, that is not acting respectfully. That is playing the dhimmi. I do NOT value your emotions.

    “This is the bridge between two people with differing ideologies”

    Wrong again. My ideology is live and let live as long as no one is being oppressed or hurt. Your ideology (islam) is one of supremacy, suppression, and genocide of those who do not believe in your allah.”

    “If I didn’t respect “kaffrs” I’d have to send an email to 70% of my
    friends telling them that it’s over. I have friends, shocker.”

    And I’m sure those liberal dingbats have no idea that you support sharia and that sharia calls for the death penalty of apostates which you admitted you agreed with. Tigers seem cute and cuddly too until you try to pet them. Liberals are too hung up in their mistaken belief that “we’re all just people and all cultures are equal.”

    “I’m not committing genocide, and neither is the next Muslim.”

    This is by far the most telling. Not all nazis were working in the death camps. Naziism, was an ideology that did demand the genocide of the “others.” mohammad commited genocide many times, allah calls for the genocide of the “others” in mein kuranmpf many times. All nazis are guilty of being racist arseholes because they believe in an ideology of  racism and genocide just as all kuranimals are guilty for believing in an equally racist and genocidal ideology. It is absolutely black and white. If one part of the equation is wrong the sum is off and there’s more than just one part of islam that’s wrong.

    As I said, no matter how much new agey crap you try to paint islam with it’s still a supremacist, genocidal, oppressive manifesto of 7th century arab male machismo.

    No matter how sweet and gentle you try to come off as I will never like, respect or have anything other than complete and utter contempt for you and your co-cultists ESPECIALLY lying and manipulating “apologists” like you.

    You’re in “good” company. I feel the same towards nazis, kkk members, nambla members and members of the black panthers.

  • Yonabee

    /facepalm/

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TRKRXDXGWLC2ZG3SZQH73RVP3M OlgaK

     They should drag his body down Manhattan and pt him on display at ground zero. at ground zero.

  • Sarah

    Oh, for petes sake muslimwoman, why not just retort with the good ol’ “I know you are, but what am I?”  I’ve yet to see you answer a single question coherently or intelligently.  The more you flap your gums, the more I believe you’re an adolescent skipping school.  *eyeroll*   

  • Sarah

    That. Was. Bloody. Brilliant!   

  • Sarah

     I pictured it going in sideways.. not top to bottom… lol

  • Sarah

    In all seriousness, does the quran not say that all non-muslims should be killed?  Does it not speak of taqqiya?  You are saying that the book is perfect, so does that not lead us to believe that you support that?  I’ve read all your comments in this thread, and one thing you mentioned is the old testament in the Bible.  The old testament is not what Christians go by as far as rules are concerned.  It took place before Jesus was born, before he brought the teachings of peace, love, forgiveness, etc.  The old testament says that witches, homosexuals, etc are to be stoned, yet Jesus saved the prostitutes life by saying “Let he among us without sin cast the first stone”.   What I’m saying I guess, is the laws of the old testament were crude, barbaric, etc.. Agreed?  Yet stonings are still common in Islam, we hear about honor killings and Sharia all the time.. Virginity checks and underage marriage, suicide bombers, kidnappings and beheadings still happen.. in 2011.. today.. All of these horrific, barbaric crimes against humanity seem to happen, typically, within one religion, in one part of the world.  Unless of course, they’re here in the West, flying planes into buildings, incinerating everyone on board, and maiming everyone else who had the misfortune of going to work that day..  Sure, there are evil people everywhere.  There are rapists and murderers, kidnappers, arsonists and thieves – yet I’ve yet to hear of one murder taking place right after the murderer screams that he’s doing it in the name of god like all muslims do.  Muslims spout that Islam is a perfect religion of peace, yet there hasn’t been peace in a muslim country for centuries.  Why is that?  Please don’t blame the government, or tell me that those muslims aren’t true muslims because true muslims are peace loving.  And IF those violent muslims aren’t true muslims, why don’t we hear of ‘true muslims’ rioting in the streets, utterly disgusted and infuriated because they are being misrepresented by those arseholes?? 

  • Sarah

    Ugh.  That was supposed to be a reply to amuslimwoman

  • http://twitter.com/jenearnhart Jenifer Earnhart

    bwahahaha! Just call me McDonald cuz I’m lovin it! Keep up the good work and we can send Islam straight back into the fiery hell from which it was forged. 

  • http://twitter.com/jenearnhart Jenifer Earnhart

    bwahahaha! Just call me McDonald cuz I’m lovin it! Keep up the good work and we can send Islam straight back into the fiery hell from which it was forged. 

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